protection

[teal swift]

Go sit in blood main for like a few hours

[nimble skiff]

NA, appreciate the offer tho

[teal swift]

Bicep is pretty chill

[opaque quest]

Ye Bicep is dope

[teal swift]

The blood regulars

Are savage

[lavish sphinx]

East coast or west Seatbelt?

[nimble skiff]

I got so mad last night at getting denied pugs cause I'm fury, I just rage ranked an 18 FH first key and it went surprisingly well

East coast

[lavish sphinx]

Damn, I’m OCE so could only help if west

[opaque quest]

Can NAW and NAE not play together?

[bleak breach]

Yeah if you’re not in the meta it can be hard to get in pugs

[lavish sphinx]

Nah OCE is just physically closer to West Coast so less ping

[nimble skiff]

It's cool. It's Tuesday. Might be a little shotty cause Halloween but fresh week should be able to send it with tanking

[opaque quest]

What affixes do we have this/next week?

Cant google rn

[nimble skiff]

I'm pretty confident I can hammer out KSH

Fort/ storming/ bursting

[bleak breach]

I’ve got a few guildies who are above 3.5k as fury though, can easily do it

[lavish sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[opaque quest]

Ye ofc you can do it but you wont get into grps in a bursting week cause ppl wanna get a heal first

Unless youre a 3k Frost mage

[nimble skiff]

It's doable, just annoying getting denied repeatedly when you're trying to meet a goal

[lavish sphinx]

I got 2.5k last day of last season by 2 starting an NO 19

[bleak breach]

Best I can do is my 420ilvl Ele shaman sorry

With 0 io

[nimble skiff]

I'll finger it out. I got a full week to make it happen

[bleak breach]

If I’m doubt finger it out

Good moto to have

[lavish sphinx]

Season ends on the 14th no?

[nimble skiff]

Good to know I don't need to do anything new for this week's keys

[lavish sphinx]

When new raid tier is up

[bleak breach]

I think so

[lyric cape]

Y season 3 starts the 14th

[bleak breach]

Yeah, no gap between m+ seasons so yes

[lavish sphinx]

You’ve got 2 weeks then

[nimble skiff]

I thought you couldn't get it with new patch on the 7th

[lavish sphinx]

I managed it last season

[nimble skiff]

[lavish sphinx]

No reason to not send it this week though

[nimble skiff]

Okay cool. Still gonna push to get it this week. I'm 435 ilvl can I tank a 19?

The first pull of freehold was SPICY I almost bit it

[opaque quest]

Yeah easily

[lavish sphinx]

For sure

[opaque quest]

My monk can handle 21s with 430 and is way squishier than warr

[lavish sphinx]

It’s all routing and mechanics

[opaque quest]

^

In pugs make sure to keep impending victory ready

It will save your ass with bad healers

[nimble skiff]

Yeah I typically use it as an oh shit button

[opaque quest]

same

[nimble skiff]

I need to get better at remembering shield wall on trash

[ionic fern]

Remember that next season you also have LS as a "oh shit" button again.

[opaque quest]

I like to have stuff like shielblock on a button i use regularly anyways

[ionic fern]

[opaque quest]

Shift + spacebar is the way to go for defensives lmao

[opaque quest]

[lavish sphinx]

First pull on FH on Fort is lit

[nimble skiff]

Oh right. Don't use last stand as a dps CD next season, lol

[lavish sphinx]

Just make sure they’re all on the same page first

[nimble skiff]

How should it be pulled? I just watch every tank charge in and grab everything below the stairs there

[teal swift]

@ionic fern is this healer dependent

I was under the impression pwar didn't need a huge amount of maintenance

[nimble skiff]

Is IP all I spend excess rage on > 20%

[teal swift]

Shield block >

[lavish sphinx]

I Demo + Shield charge the enforcer, Ravager on the far pack and charge to the shack pack

Shield wall + Def stance and the lust

[ionic fern]

Eh?

[teal swift]

Also revenge is nice

[teal swift]

I was under the impression prot warrior didn't need much healer attention in keys

[nimble skiff]

I forgot shield block costs rage

I was just always able to cast it so I was like I have so much rage what gives

[lavish sphinx]

You’re going to be 3k next season one we’re done with you lol

[karmic plinth]

you use ip if ur going to overcap and its also off gcd

[nimble skiff]

What is the IP cap?

[teal swift]

Not a lot

[karmic plinth]

something like 30% of health

but you press it regardless of the amount left

[teal swift]

It's attack power based I think

Or I'm wrong

Ask a theorycrafters or mwahi

[nimble skiff]

The weak aura I have said something like 309k absorb I saw it cap out at

[karmic plinth]

u press it to spend rage

[opaque quest]

Spamming on Neltharus fortified bolster trash feelsbad

[nimble skiff]

I just need to figure out the balance sub 20% for using execute

[lavish sphinx]

Don’t bother with execute

[nimble skiff]

👀

[opaque quest]

Use execute instead of revenge on st

[karmic plinth]

even if your ignore pain is capped, if your rage is high and you will cap rage, you want to spend it, you still get the 4s from anger management and heal from indom

[teal swift]

Execute is better DPS single target

Send it

[karmic plinth]

in st you just replace revenge with execute during execute

[lavish sphinx]

In this case I think keep things simple

[nimble skiff]

Oh

That makes it easier

[teal swift]

Execute isn't hard to use tho

It's just better than revenge where usable

[opaque quest]

You just replace one button with another

[lavish sphinx]

Execute won’t proc SS which gives you rage

Marginally harder

[opaque quest]

It cycles am and indom still

[karmic plinth]

it does proc ss

[opaque quest]

Ye 110% sure it does

I still get proccs

[teal swift]

If this increased difficulty is meaningful you think they aren't going to sit in ss proc for 3 globals

[opaque quest]

Ye

[teal swift]

I'm going through assuming it doesnt

[opaque quest]

Execute also has the bonus of makling clinngggg

[teal swift]

Let's be real

How much time do new players spend

With a glowing shield slam

And hit other buttons

[nimble skiff]

I see glowy button I hit it

Ez

[teal swift]

I'd estimate 2-3 globals

[opaque quest]

Enh and frost dk in a nutshell

[teal swift]

Frostmage moment

[nimble skiff]

I played frost dk for a few tiers, makes sense

[opaque quest]

Ive been playinh DK/Enh for 20 years

Now in DF Enh is just hit lava lash or stormstrike glowy button and do 200k dps

[lavish sphinx]

Okay disregard my earlier comment

I’m but a tired Australian

Things are different here

[opaque quest]

Using exe gives rage in australia

[nimble skiff]

I might sit on a glowy SS for a gcd cause it pops as I'm hitting a key already

[opaque quest]

Thats not sitting on a gcd

[nimble skiff]

Nothing I can do about that tho

[teal swift]

So since before vanilla launched in 2004

[teal swift]

Me too

[opaque quest]

We are all human

Unless one of you guys is zucc

[teal swift]

Lol

Yeah I'm getting older, I've never been very far ahead of average, I wanna do better tho

[nimble skiff]

Well thanks everyone. I'm pretty pumped for keys tonight

[teal swift]

Hit it up

What time is na reset

So I can go peak into my disappointment box

[nimble skiff]

I won't get on till after 5/ 530 est anyway

[opaque quest]

I wont peak into my shitbox. Ive done a total of 0 keys and 0 raid this week

[teal swift]

Okay but what time lul

[opaque quest]

https://wowreset.com/

[teal swift]

@sweet summit ily

[nimble skiff]

So just smaller pulls for low IQ dps to have less chance at reupping bursting dot at 0.1 sec right

Or yolo big pulls cause who cares about fort

[teal swift]

Ngl I just copy dorki routes

And send it

Works pretty well

[nimble skiff]

I'll have to look that up. Every route I know is just mindlessly following the tank and zugging

Now I have to lead the zugging and it's different in this side of the fence

[teal swift]

Really though

Dorki routes make everything easy

[nimble skiff]

Is that a weak aura?

Just googled it and it brings up a weak aura

[ocean reef]

@sweet summit

hi

[teal swift]

Dorki is a streamer

I assume they are from his stream

[nimble skiff]

Ah

Makes sense

[teal swift]

Maybe his discord idk

He's a respected tank

His routes work well

Idk where they are from lmao

[blazing condor]

keystone.guru is a pretty good resource for routes

[sweet summit]

hey :3

[teal swift]

❤️

[ocean reef]

:3

[teal swift]

https://wago.io/p/DorkiRoute

@nimble skiff

[nimble skiff]

Yeah that's what Google brought up, thanks.

[teal swift]

Just take those and send it

Easy keys

It's surprisingly good ngl

Some big pulls, small pulls where they are required

[tardy delta]

What is this?

[teal swift]

Dorki routes

For m+

[tardy delta]

Wow thx now i understood everything

i nearly could not read the last 2 words in the link

[teal swift]

They are mythic plus routes for season 2 dungeons

[tardy delta]

ahhhhhh

[teal swift]

What else the fuck you want me to tell you

[tardy delta]

how do i add them

like on a addon

[teal swift]

Download mdt

Import links

[tardy delta]

and then its on the map?

like top right

[teal swift]

Idk, I just type /mdt

I kinda expected everyone to have it

Idk how to explain how to work it

[agile elbow]

You study the route and remember what your supposed to kill and where to go

[nimble skiff]

Oh that I didn't know. Thats a pro tip thanks

I don't have mdt

[teal swift]

I screenshot it

[blazing condor]

mdt is g reat resource

[teal swift]

Paste it into paint

Then put it on second monitor

And read it while I do the key

[blazing condor]

MDT you can see what mobs does what and also play around with % to see what shit gives

[teal swift]

I can't remember shit LOL

No cap btw, this is legit how I do this shit learning new dungeons

Open route in mdt screenshot put in paint, put on second monitor roadmap to easy key time

My memory is shit, having map route on another monitor helps, especially in brackenhide

I only know one key route by memory

And that's VP

And I just have to remember to pull both sides of the ramp, and skip the first big aoe star pack

[nimble skiff]

I didn't know about this add on tbh. I just started keys 2 weeks ago on a fresh 70 warrior

[teal swift]

Yeah, just grab mdt

Import dorki routes

[nimble skiff]

Win

Ezpz

[teal swift]

And then either memorize or screenshot for reference

Yeah I suck at wow

Ksm next week

Carried by dorki routes

I literally only ran what I needed so I don't have a lot of runs lmao

[uneven mason]

Let's hear it for us ksm Andy's

[teal swift]

I just came back just wanted the mount.

[uneven mason]

I always have aspersions to push higher but suddenly every season my wife starts wanting to spend time together

I feel like it's intentional sabotage

[teal swift]

You like

I'm just gonna breeze through ksm

[karmic plinth]

the obvious solution is to get your wife to push keys with you

[teal swift]

Prolly do full 20s next season

But really ksm is fine for me, I'm bad at videogames

[uneven mason]

TFW the DPS all die and you have to Solo the boss

[nimble skiff]

Crap I'm gonna need to get some 19s done. Is underrot a shit key for tanks?

[teal swift]

No, underrot is easy as fuck

[uneven mason]

Ur is fine

[teal swift]

Like idk what they did

In bfa it sucked

[uneven mason]

TC makes last boss giggle shits

[karmic plinth]

just be careful with ticks because they can kill you if your mind goes afk

[uneven mason]

Was free for warriors back then too

[teal swift]

Yeah they killed the adds, then died, and I had to solo from like 16% lol

[nimble skiff]

What would you run to get 85 points then

[teal swift]

+23 UR

[nimble skiff]

Lol

They're not gonna take a 435 tank rofl

[teal swift]

Oh idk then lmao

Just push your own key

[karmic plinth]

ur and fh 100%

[hardy snow]

freehold, brakenhide, underrot are easiest ones usually

[uneven mason]

Whynot

[teal swift]

FH hurts a lot

[uneven mason]

Wat

[teal swift]

Idk in bfa it was easy af

In DF shit hurts

[blazing condor]

Freehold is entirely free

its even in the name

[uneven mason]

FH is probably the easiest key

[karmic plinth]

its predominantly phys dam

[blazing condor]

everything is pretty much physical

[nimble skiff]

FH 18 was the first key I tanked and idk shit

[blazing condor]

if people dont interrupt certain casts

it CAN hurt

[teal swift]

Hmm disagree

Just don't route the scrappers in

[nimble skiff]

Idk where those are

[uneven mason]

As a pwar we're pretty immortal in fh

It's the DPS getting chunked because they don't kick/avoid casts

Like hit a frigging CD for bellow

[teal swift]

Has 33fh been timed yet?

Looks like VP is a shit key

[karmic plinth]

its my favourite and everyone hates it

[blazing condor]

i dont like it

[teal swift]

It's not about like or hate

It's just hard to push, the aren't any big pulls

It's linear, so it's just a scaling thing

[karmic plinth]

yer i guess that matters when u go higher

[teal swift]

That you can't compensate for

[karmic plinth]

didnt bother going higher than 20

[teal swift]

Like gl pulling 2x assassin packs

In high keys

LOL

You prolly can with good controls but bad rng

Could mean your healer gets 1 shot

[uneven mason]

Pillars are your friend

[teal swift]

Yeah, anyways, fact is, VP is the lowest key teams are timing

[uneven mason]

Scheduled shit iirc

[rich wyvern]

I’m surprised that nelth 34 isn’t timed tbf

Or at least surprised that it’s not higher than underrot

[nimble skiff]

Next season all the gear ilvls are reset to their new ilvls right? Like +2 will drop (idk exact number just using a placeholder) 441 or whatever

What's the new highest key level you could effectively run without issues like an 8?

[teal swift]

You should be able to ksm week 1

[nimble skiff]

Seems sus

[teal swift]

Gear only takes you so far

It will make it easier, but if you're doing +28-29 in s2

You can probably run 20 in s3

[nimble skiff]

I'm doing 18s🙃

[uneven mason]

After the chain nerf it put a real barrier

[teal swift]

Gear up first then xD

[nimble skiff]

I just wanted to know what I could possibly run into

Think maybe I'll go for 20s next season

[teal swift]

Ksm week 1 s2

[uneven mason]

Yeah hitting ksm asap and getting ahead of the pack is the goal

[teal swift]

It should be a lot easier in s3 to ksm week 1

[uneven mason]

Taking the 15th - 17th off to kill it

[teal swift]

Than in s2

But it's still a steep level of entry

[waxen frigate]

Why

I got ksm s2w1 but I’m expecting it to be harder this go around

[teal swift]

I don't have actual experience, just seeing the trend that each season tends to go deeper, and start off higher

[uneven mason]

Pfft nish

[teal swift]

But your experience > MY THOUGHTS

[uneven mason]

That's only because going into S2 you had gear

Going into S1 everyone was in vlues

[teal swift]

I mean every xpac

Not just DF s1 into S2

Do you think you'll struggle to get ksm s3w1?

[waxen frigate]

I am assuming it’ll be harder due to the iLvl jump

I figure dungeons will be tuned around that, no?

[teal swift]

Im not actually sure, the 39 ilvl jump is kind of huge

It's unprecedented

Idk how they will handle kfactor

[waxen frigate]

Yeah that’s the main reason I’m susge

[teal swift]

Nor the scaling

[waxen frigate]

I think I’ll still be able to get it just slamming keys all weekend but

Idk

[teal swift]

Plus if they leave one dungeon fucked

[waxen frigate]

I got 2003io last tier then stopped for the week

[teal swift]

How is ToT on ptr

That place scares me lmao

It was miserable during leveling, during cata, during time walking

[uneven mason]

Fine if you're the master race

[teal swift]

We usually skipped the penultimate boss

Now it's a key, so I'm sussy over it

The honor guard looking fucker with the void pools for the mid boss

[nimble skiff]

Orc............?

[teal swift]

Cannonically orcs are slaves.

Vulpera are the master race

[teal swift]

If you find out more lmk

[uneven mason]

#protection message

[teal swift]

I really like vulpera

[uneven mason]

Feral discord is 👇

[dusty summit]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beating-up-lilo-fight-beat-up-beat-down-gif-19482217

[uneven mason]

I'd step on that rat for free

[rich wyvern]

I’d pay to step on that rat

[teal swift]

I saw a guy try to stomp on a mouse, I lost my shit on him

Realistically, I doubt y'all are psychopathic enough to abuse animals irl

[uneven mason]

You're right, vulpera are sentient though, I got no problem slapping people

[teal swift]

XD fair

Vulpera druid when

I wanna be a vulpera bear druid

UwU

[rich wyvern]

Mice can’t help being mice - all vulpera can race change so

[uneven mason]

I'll murder a fucker hitting his dog

[teal swift]

Preach

Abuse your kids, not your animals

[rich wyvern]

Holdup

[uneven mason]

I mean, kids aren't sentient either

So I count them in the "protected animals"

[teal swift]

Things I shouldn't say

But want to

Fr don't hurt kids or animals, even the little mice

If we are going to do any wow race abuse let's just punt a gnome

[uneven mason]

That's the source of mechagnomes, refurbished used puntables

Sometimes they don't land so well

[dusky canopy]

Can’t wait to pull a 447 tier helm from vault today

[sick sentinel]

i have not had a vault for 3 weeks at least

[uneven mason]

I've added some sockets in the past 3 weeks

[sick sentinel]

ill do my 2 k io in s3

thats about it

[uneven mason]

Going havoc in s3 for raid prog too many 2h users, don't wanna get into that Lego slap fight until a tank spot opens

Feeling kinda

[ruby berry]

well havoc bangs so enjoy

[uneven mason]

Yeah, should be fun

Will probably still ksm on all the tanks

[nimble skiff]

I'm the only warrior, there's 2 rets, one breath frost dk and idk what the other plays. Since I rerolled warrior cause we needed the shout I'm hoping I get it

[uneven mason]

It's hard to out whine ret players

Literally the only members I've had rage quit over loot over the years have been paladins

[toxic pewter]

Reminds me when I beat 6 ret paladins for my heroic ashkandur early in the patch

[uneven mason]

It dropped early for my raid - echo was the first fight they asked me to tank, think there was an ulterior motive

[toxic pewter]

that sucks

[uneven mason]

Indeed, never saw another

[toxic pewter]

dang

thats unfortunate

[dusky canopy]

Where’s my patch notes buffs

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

We really don't want buffs

If we get buffs then we'll get a hate bandwagon again real quick like in s1

Like our numbers are really good next patch

[uneven mason]

Prot stay secret stronk

[nimble skiff]

That's good news. I'm basically a tank now

[signal sequoia]

keep sandbagging

[uneven mason]

Be in the sweet spot of good, but not meta

[rich wyvern]

Sounds like a “swap lootspec to arms” angle

Or was it loot council

[strong forum]

sir we're not MM hunters

[signal sequoia]

the more you complain about how bad you are regardless of whats actually true

[waxen frigate]

Azor moment

[signal sequoia]

the less you get nerfed

🙂

[rich wyvern]

Shhhh stop spoiling the disc priest strat

[strong forum]

we dont employ DPS tactics here

[timber nest]

@strong forum so you’re saying there’s a chance

[strong forum]

we actually scream to have OP shit removed before it makes it to live!

[rich wyvern]

Just say we need buffs to feed the blizzard sentiment bot

[strong forum]

see mass spell reflect or aoe shieldwall

[signal sequoia]

yeah dont do that

[sick sentinel]

How’s prot loopoookin in 10.2

[signal sequoia]

double down on the complaining

it works wonders for warlocks

[rich wyvern]

Deece

[strong forum]

theres a reasonable chance we actually show up in RWF

[rich wyvern]

But the more buffs a spec gets, the more people will join the discord channel and ask innocent but repetitive questions

[waxen frigate]

Ehhh, I think one tank slot is a hard non-warr lock

The other though maybe

[strong forum]

but thats ultimately down to fyrakk

[signal sequoia]

thats the best part you get to tell them theyre dumb!

[rich wyvern]

Nahhh they’re just new to the spec not dumb

[waxen frigate]

Yes and no

Tank isn’t as hard locked as other roles

[strong forum]

obv isnt

but if pwar sucks massive fucking ass on fyrakk

[waxen frigate]

Pretty easy to flex a different class in for one or two bosses

Ya for sure

Like if it’s bad

It doesn’t get played on fyrakk

[sick sentinel]

When pwar isn’t a good tank the game is usually in a bad spot

[strong forum]

fyrakk is the only boss that matters, and dropluck

[sick sentinel]

Just sayin

[rich wyvern]

If it’s bad it doesn’t get played in RWF right

[strong forum]

not exactly

it depends just how truly bad dps war is

[signal sequoia]

the wonderful world of raid buffs 🙂

[rich wyvern]

I guess if you get good splits on warr tank too

[strong forum]

tank spot is entirely dependant on what your comp looks like

not how strong your class actually is

[rich wyvern]

I thought at least one warr dps was doin ok?

[strong forum]

doomers are saying no

but

we'll see what revvez does

[grizzled nova]

rwf tanks are almost always chosen in the negative, they're plugging a hole left by the optimal dps/healer comp

[rich wyvern]

Tbf that’s the same for resto Druid

[strong forum]

all eyes point to revvez

healers are entirely different

in raid

tank spot is legit just "okay what buff do we need"

it goes in order of this:

[rich wyvern]

Resto Druid beings nothing but throughput and raidbuff

[jagged pier]

Member when prot was dogshit in sl

But was used in cn for world first

I meber

[rich wyvern]

So if any of the other Druid specs are good it’s not likely to see play in RWF

[waxen frigate]

It also I think depends on how relevant execute phase is on fyrakk

[grizzled nova]

legit the two worst raid tanks were used for the rwf kill

[waxen frigate]

It will be Dps Druid

[strong forum]

1. important raidbuff
2. cheese potential (grip/reflect/spellward)
3. dmg output
4. survivability
   in this order

[rich wyvern]

Ye

[waxen frigate]

I think a resto or guardian being played in mythic is highly unlikely

[rich wyvern]

And you have negative prio if you already have the same raidbuff

[nimble skiff]

So speaking of survivability, how does one become a parry god

[grizzled nova]

crit

[rich wyvern]

Shield block

[waxen frigate]

By being 4001io

[rich wyvern]

Don’t ask how block = parry

[strong forum]

parrygod is something you call when you call for the parry before the bleed ability is applied

and then you do parry it

[nimble skiff]

Block parties are a thing

Why don't I just call parry before every hit and parry it all

[rich wyvern]

Anyone else feel like parry is one of those words that loses its meaning and looks weird if you repeat it enough

[nimble skiff]

[strong forum]

no it has an ICD on being called out

cant abuse it

its a fickle creature

[nimble skiff]

Ah my bad. New tank etc

[strong forum]

(this does only apply in the logic of this joke, not actually ingame)

[nimble skiff]

I've tanked 2 keys. I guess you could say it's getting serious now

[rich wyvern]

Ye you’ve gotta save your major defensives (calling for the rng parry) for big damage and important events

(This also only applies as a joke)

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/deepwoken-parry-dodge-block-sleepwoken-midwoken-gif-24630523

[nimble skiff]

What is this, TBC with 100% defensive capabilities

[toxic pewter]

also dont forget to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge

[uneven mason]

In raid it ignores loot spec and gives priority based on role

[rich wyvern]

I coulda sworn it just gives you loot based on lootspec

[uneven mason]

Nope

You can roll need but it (offspec) on the roll

[toxic pewter]

Ability to attain loot in raid is still based on loot spec, if you are tanking in prot, and set your loot spec to arms, you can legitimately win a ashkandur over a ret paladin who is actively in ret spec during the encounter. Also, that same ret paladin can also put his loot spec to prot and win a shield over the tank that actually tanked the boss.

[uneven mason]

Meaning you get priority before greed and xmog

[uneven mason]

Literally doesn't because I haven't been prot loot spec at all this xpac

[grizzled nova]

only buff I actively want to see for warrior is having shockwave baselined

already have to talent stormbolt and intim

baseline shockwave and move rumbling earth to where it is currently

[strong forum]

class tree could use some work yes

[toxic pewter]

dang.. November trading post looking mega weak

[cerulean tusk]

It is the only one with warrior stuff, so - take it or come back next year

[nimble skiff]

Needs more parry talents

[cerulean tusk]

Needs, 'Titan's Grip'

[grizzled nova]

If I extra got my way, baseline shockwave and make it a knock up instead of a stun.

[strong forum]

as much as i hate titans grip

it would fit for pwar at this point to be able to wield 2h+shield

[uneven mason]

Yes plz

[nimble skiff]

And THEN

[uneven mason]

Eliminate 1h forever

[grizzled nova]

would devastator reset rate scale with attack speed

[nimble skiff]

GLADIATOR STANCE

[uneven mason]

Why gladiator stance

[strong forum]

i would say yes and also increase how much rage you gain for an auto attack

[uneven mason]

We have enough damage

[nimble skiff]

So I can dps with a shield as a dps

[strong forum]

having the bug in sl s1 where you could tmog 2h onto 1h

[uneven mason]

No plz

[strong forum]

opened my eyes towards 2h prot

[uneven mason]

We already can

So gladiator would have to be it's own spec, and that's not going to happen

[strong forum]

it was pretty hype

[uneven mason]

Bruh

[uneven mason]

Ur not a dwarf

[strong forum]

yeah cross faction wasnt available?

[uneven mason]

Scuffed

[strong forum]

i was forced into horde in 8.2

went back to alliance day1 of cross faction being a thing

[uneven mason]

Imagine being horde and not going tauren or orc

[strong forum]

yeah?

cuz theyre like the 2 worst races on horde lol

[uneven mason]

Style

[strong forum]

?

no

[uneven mason]

Is what matters

[strong forum]

theyre mega ugly

im going by style here

tauren and orc are straight up trash

[uneven mason]

Fucking rats

[cerulean tusk]

Horde is mega ugly

[uneven mason]

Kill all vulpera

[cerulean tusk]

Only one choice, if you got style, that is Nelf.

[strong forum]

i was troll until vulperas released

then i memed vulpera

and stuck with it cuz good tmog and animations + racial

[uneven mason]

It's like kultiran, why didn't they just give humans a fat option

[strong forum]

tech isnt there m8

multi dollar company

[grizzled nova]

nelf looks nice, shadowmeld is niche good

[cerulean tusk]

Shadowmeld is always good

[grizzled nova]

but honestly any class that can be dwarf and isn't dwarf is trolling

at least for m+

[strong forum]

dwarf is peak aesthetic

[strong forum]

not rly

dwarf is a nice to have

[strong forum]

but you can do literaly WF keys without it

[cerulean tusk]

Shadowmeld skips, opop for WF keys

trust

[uneven mason]

Wat

[cerulean tusk]

trust

[uneven mason]

When's the last time we saw a meld/death skip be serious

[strong forum]

mdi bfa

xdd

[uneven mason]

Right

[cerulean tusk]

Hidden tech

Cant show it, before the real WF

[strong forum]

so hidden that next season 6/8 dungeons literally dont have routes

[grizzled nova]

Sure, but there's zero reason not to be - racial passive damage is always good, racial defensive is omni useful and can always be used for pure utility.

[uneven mason]

"you can't see them do it because they're shadowmelded"

[strong forum]

sure but its not worth 25bucks

[uneven mason]

600k gold

[cerulean tusk]

That is a lot of gold

[strong forum]

nah, arty gets like 1mil gold a raid from just selling boosts xd

[uneven mason]

Wonder what sorta tech they're going to pull with BoE this tier

[cerulean tusk]

Prob just gonna let it drop as now

[strong forum]

didnt they literally disable BoEs on mythic

[grizzled nova]

Stoneform is on the chopping block, maybe not this expansion but I don't see it surviving forever now that cross faction play is a thing.

[strong forum]

until HoF was filled

[uneven mason]

Yup, some serious scuff

[strong forum]

thats good

[toxic pewter]

Honestly Vulpera actually looks great in transmog

[cerulean tusk]

Why is it good, tho?

[uneven mason]

Furry

[strong forum]

cuz boes are degenerate

[cerulean tusk]

Free gold for me - they get gear, win/win

[toxic pewter]

All I am saying is their proportions are great and their animations are great too. All around a great race

[cerulean tusk]

Night Elves surely are all that

[strong forum]

rare apb W

[uneven mason]

Because the corporate sponsor guilds would pay big $$ to xfer people around to get a few extra ilvl

[toxic pewter]

They unironically sport plate very well

[cerulean tusk]

And that is my problem why?

[strong forum]

dont even need to xfer people around now

[uneven mason]

It's not a problem

[strong forum]

cross-region trading is a thing now

[cerulean tusk]

So, let me sell my BoEs week 1

:(

[uneven mason]

tru they could be gigga degen

[strong forum]

you can just create a char on X realm that has cheap boes

trade over gold

trade over the item

without any shady shit needed

or any real money

helped a friend buy a tmog for 6k instead of 120k

[uneven mason]

Just bnet group dude selling Boots for 1000$

[toxic pewter]

All I know is Vulpera in plate is legitimately well liked by people, I won trial of style 23 times on my lil guy

[cerulean tusk]

1000, gotta be hell of a boost

[uneven mason]

Buncha furrys

[strong forum]

people buy r1 title for less money than that

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[cerulean tusk]

I won 10/10 times, just going Nelf, dress down. Dance

Get

rekt

[toxic pewter]

u got proof

[cerulean tusk]

How would I prove it? =.=

[uneven mason]

I literally have 1 vulpera for heritage armor, so far the only race I don't have is mechagnomes

Because I will never roll one

[cerulean tusk]

That is what got me confused, maybe it is a full gearset BiS deal?

[toxic pewter]

does stats pane track trial of style wins? if not it should.

[cerulean tusk]

No idea, I know it tracks hugs tho

🫂

[toxic pewter]

u got screen shot of the buff u get for winning or wat

that my screenshot

wheres urs

[cerulean tusk]

That remains permanently?

[toxic pewter]

remains during trial of style, ya

[cerulean tusk]

Cause I havent done trial since when it was released

[sick sentinel]

i feel like the first one is trying too hard and is too divided on themes, but better than transmogs i can make, so ya

[sick sentinel]

this one, is, i want that shield i will never have it

[toxic pewter]

@sick sentinel u watching the mok gora tournament finals

[strong forum]

how is the first one too divided on themes

its 90% the same set

[sick sentinel]

WARLOCK MIRROR OMEGALUL

[cerulean tusk]

Yogi said so, it is so.

It is known.

[toxic pewter]

I actually am taking some inspiration from that set, I have a similar one I use with that ninja helm from pandaria

[sick sentinel]

I dunno its like, 3 different colors clashing

[knotty vortex]

whats the crafted gear now in relationship with M+ are they the same now from the top end 483?

[sick sentinel]

bunch of red bunch of bronze then a mostly steel blade :S

[toxic pewter]

u guys got any good prot warr ninja sets? been working on one for a while

[toxic pewter]

I think max is 486, outside of 2 trinkets, max mythic ilvl is 489 iirc

[sick sentinel]

like i say, leagues better than any transmog i can make, but im overly critical

[knotty vortex]

im talking stricktly M+ and crafted taking Mythic raiding out of it

[strong forum]

486 for crafted 489 everything else

just 2 embellishs as crafted item

rest from vault/raid

[toxic pewter]

Well there are tracks from m+/vault.. mythic track max ilvl is 489

[sick sentinel]

i wouldn't mind that on the wow website armory you can save up to 3 transmog sets it will show

[knotty vortex]

18s will allow you to upgrade to 489 right

[strong forum]

from vault*

yes

[knotty vortex]

18 vault items

[strong forum]

if you wanna maximise loot tho you still gonna spam 20s

[strong forum]

to safe crests on vault upgrades

[knotty vortex]

last question whats max ilvl from Mythic plus farming

[sick sentinel]

its all the same raid tier different boe parts but my god i think that looks good

[strong forum]

483 i think

[uneven mason]

6less same as this season?

[strong forum]

ye

[sick sentinel]

the only thing i need is like some BOE dk shit like hands or something

[knotty vortex]

yeah ok i didnt see an updated chart after some minor changes

[strong forum]

hero track goes from 467 to 483

[uneven mason]

DK chest and legs go better with the Warr set

[strong forum]

so spamming 20s

is just the best course of action

or well

[knotty vortex]

yeah for the vault

[strong forum]

20s to fill vault

then spam 19s for gear

[uneven mason]

Hero track has 1 extra tier on the top end, interesting

[strong forum]

ye

to equalise all raid drops

[sick sentinel]

is that they dathea chest

[uneven mason]

Makes sense I guess

[strong forum]

so last2 bosses dont have exclusive +3ilvl

[sick sentinel]

that you are talking about

[knotty vortex]

so that will be 492?

[sick sentinel]

i have the dathea chest

[knotty vortex]

whats the leggo ilvl

[uneven mason]

Offset chest from this tier

[sick sentinel]

i think the dk helmet is way better sory

[toxic pewter]

yah when I used dk helmet, I used to get a lot of compliments

[uneven mason]

Bruh you're a tauren, should get slapped for even trying to wear a helm

[toxic pewter]

it looks great

[strong forum]

amateurs

[sick sentinel]

yeah thats the gloves i want, now i see it, looks a bit weird

what is this belt and chest

[strong forum]

trial of valor

[uneven mason]

Looks like the set from odyn

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

im not fan

[uneven mason]

Looks like a bib because it's over the tabard lol

[strong forum]

finally a set that can actually use the weapon

such a sick weapon but no-one could use it

[sick sentinel]

this one also

works good with enchants

this one too, better color match, bones so its more like a fdk thing

[strong forum]

this one is overused

cuz its so easy to get

and it stands out so alot of people often used it

silent crusader is a bitch to get

[sick sentinel]

i still have to go farm naxx (both)

[torn gulch]

most likely 496 but not confirmed

[torn gulch]

no it will be 489

[knotty vortex]

yeah but the last 3 bosses will drop 3 ilvl higher

i mean 2

[torn gulch]

last 2 bosses drop 489

myth 4/4

myth track has been extended by 1 step

hero track by 1

[knotty vortex]

yeah i see ty

[torn gulch]

that means that m+ players can skip raiding and still get 489

by upgrading myth track vault items

the way loot is structured in raid means that even normal fyrakk will be very interesting because of the trinkets

normal fyrakk trinkets go all the way to 483

[torn gulch]

heroic ones to 489

[sick sentinel]

this one from seige of org probably the best overall match

maybe

this one is almost perfect, complaint: low rez

[toxic pewter]

just got the horseman's 1h sword transmog finally

actually a nice little sword

[knotty vortex]

yeah i do 20s plus usually but i dont mythic raid.

i just clear heoric

[torn gulch]

yea aotc+20's mythic will get you very close to the mythic raiders

the only thing mythic raiders will get more is more myth track items

[sick sentinel]

this ones too hard to realistiically get for me

[torn gulch]

and 496 trinkets

[knotty vortex]

minor imo

[sick sentinel]

i only have 1 toon with anything at all legion progress

dont know any of the quests

[torn gulch]

if you play at the highest level 1-2 ilvl difference matter

but it does not matter for 99.99% of wow players

by the way i suggest if you can try to get into pugs for first mythic boss

items are too good to pass

[toxic pewter]

@sick sentinel u see that warr just own that warlock just now in the tourny

that was a good duel

[sick sentinel]

he did a very good job slicing his head off

[toxic pewter]

yes

XD

[sick sentinel]

i hope it continues

[toxic pewter]

yah that warr is badass

got the arcanite reaper

[torn gulch]

sonni?

i think he was the guy with arcanite reaper

[toxic pewter]

ya

that guy owns

[nimble skiff]

#arcanitereaperHOOOOOOOOO

Iykyk

[strong forum]

soni is multi r1 glad

so yeah

is expected for him to be good

[nimble skiff]

What's payo doing

There's no way he's not in this

I can't watch it cause work sux

[strong forum]

payo won vs feral druid

his next game is vs hunter

[nimble skiff]

Is this all first round

And is that soni the same guy as sonidigital or something, played classic as a tauren warrior?

Or do I have my streamers mixed up

[toxic pewter]

he unironically owned a dude, actually impressed me he owned the guy so hard

[toxic pewter]

here is the bracket if you want to check it out: https://idleague.live/bracket?t=otk-hardcore-makgora

Today is the final day, so the final duel will occur later today

[nimble skiff]

Damn I hope I can catch payo vs zeroji

That would be a really cool match to see

[waxen frigate]

I hope Payo loses

I pray for his downfall

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty tiger]

payo h8er?

[waxen frigate]

Quebec ✅
Rogue ✅
Bad haircut ✅

What’s there not to hate

[uneven mason]

You could've stopped at Quebec

[waxen frigate]

Ya but I wanted to drive the point home

[nimble skiff]

I'm not a payo supporter. I just like watching him rage when he loses

It's comedic gold

[strong forum]

i cant watch classic

its just

😴

[lusty tiger]

🛌

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzcon-on-leavers-in-mythic-content-335795?webhook

[strong forum]

people want solo Q

but

okay some people want soloQ

but the dungeon leavers would absolutely skyrocket in soloQ

idk its worse from every angle

[grizzled nova]

solo q would be a toxic disaster

[strong forum]

itll be the most toxic environment wow could foster

it would kill m+ same as soloQ killed arena

[grizzled nova]

didn't get a near-meta comp? e everyone insults everyone else's spec and leaves

[strong forum]

yup

also who's fucking key is it

everyones?

do you queue for a specific dungeon or random?

how do you decide the keylevel?

[uneven mason]

M0 should have a solo q, but not m+

Ever

[drifting river]

any idea what's the best embellishments for 10.2 will be?

[strong forum]

2x shadowflame

later once you got full sockets prolly lariat for m+

[chilly brook]

Strangely agree

[grizzled nova]

with the discussion yesterday, I'm on board with keys having 3 depletes until it deranks, so at least you're afforded some practice before having to refarm the key

[strong forum]

i liked naowhs idea

[chilly brook]

Honestly I think they just can m0 or heroic

No one does heroic

They go straight to m0

[strong forum]

doing lower keys gives you currency up until a cap, if you have enough currency you can set your keystone and dungeon to whatever you want

and depletes are just removed

[chilly brook]

Deplete feels awful

[strong forum]

that way lower keys still serve a purpose

you can bang out a few keys to get rerolls banked up

then can use that to do push keys

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/november-2023-trading-post-rewards-swift-zhevra-spectral-wind-rider-spectral-335787

tenders for nov

[chilly brook]

Ye

November is stacked

[grizzled nova]

I think the deplete feeling awful is necessary, it gives meaning to completion, the problem is just one mistake costing you a key that might take 6+ hours to get back so you have very little room for practice.

[chilly brook]

Monk shit looks fuckin great

[toxic pewter]

November one of the weaker months for trading post so far

[sick sentinel]

warrior one

[toxic pewter]

easily

[chilly brook]

I really don’t agree with this

I don’t need to get kicked in the balls to have me completing a key feel good

I died 70 times doing mage tower when it was relevant

Every time I got back in and got to do the same thing at the same difficulty

Felt great when I completed it

[toxic pewter]

trading post warrior set so bad

[grizzled nova]

without depletion or some existent opportunity cost, m+ wpuld absolutely degenerate into doing the most degen strats on repeat until you squeak it by one time.

[strong forum]

its really fucking fun having to fish 5 lower keys to get 1 attempt at doing the correct higher key

totally

fun

[chilly brook]

That’s what it already is

[strong forum]

having to re-level

[chilly brook]

Lmaooooo

[lusty grotto]

agreed with nome and griff

[strong forum]

a 28 368867 times

[grand veldt]

Yeah

[strong forum]

to get the correct 29

with only 1 shot

at doing it correct

and then redoing 239848273x 28s

to get the correct 29

[grand veldt]

I love pumping others keys

[strong forum]

so fucking fun bro

[grand veldt]

And then when it's something good for you

[uneven mason]

Anyone who thinks depletes are a good thing didn't m+ in Legion

[grand veldt]

They save it

[chilly brook]

Deplete literally doesn’t serve a purpose

You can drop your own key

[strong forum]

the opportunity cost is your fucking time

[grand veldt]

Spitting fire and facts today

[chilly brook]

Lots of it

[strong forum]

main reason why i dont push is the insane time investment

[chilly brook]

Anywhere from 10m to 40m just to get a group

Let alone do the key

[grand veldt]

It also encourages meta slaving way harder

Why risk anything not meta

Or try any new routes

Oh a high key

[strong forum]

wanna know how many keys arty did this season when he was pushing for r1?

[uneven mason]

Or have fun

[nimble skiff]

At least 7

[strong forum]

620 fucking keys

[nimble skiff]

Nailed it

[strong forum]

because for every score gained

for every timed key that was +score

[grizzled nova]

kinda? because m+ doesnt't have a difficulty cap it would absolutely incentize degen strats being thrown at the wall until it sticks, not necessarily sound play - this already exists to an extent at high keys, but it would start to become a rule in pugs too

[strong forum]

you have like 4-5 keys that are nothing else

but trying to get the correct key

[grand veldt]

Who cares if the top top top players are doing some degen strats

[strong forum]

?

thats literally what raiding is

[chilly brook]

THEY ALREADY DO DEGEN STRATS

[strong forum]

you realise that or?

you bang the encounter

until you get it done

[chilly brook]

PUGS EXPECT YOU TO DO DEGEN PULLS IN NELTHARUS

[strong forum]

imagine if you wiped on sark

[uneven mason]

Imagine if all raids were fucking togc

[strong forum]

you had to rekill echo

[grizzled nova]

I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS IN THE COMMENT YOURE QUOTING

[chilly brook]

What is even different

[uneven mason]

On normal

[strong forum]

like the punishment of failing the key

IS FAILING THE KEY

there doesnt need to be an additional layer of fuck you

[uneven mason]

"can't attempt mythic again until you reclear heroic"

[strong forum]

in legion your key would literally be deactivated

until you re-timed the key

[uneven mason]

Yup

[strong forum]

but you wouldnt get loot

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

Most people just checked out for the week

[strong forum]

wanna know when pushing keys was the best?

when people could delete their keystone

[uneven mason]

Bfa?

[strong forum]

and they would get a fresh keystone from completing the next key

so if your group had a bunch of shit 24s

and you time a 25

your group would delete all their 24s

[warm plinth]

I'll push your keystone

gottem

[strong forum]

and by timing the 25 youd had a fresh row of 25s for your entire group

[lusty grotto]

no u

[strong forum]

thats when pushing keys was the best cuz youd get rid of useless keys wasting your time

[uneven mason]

I get why they don't let us pick our key, but a system more like GRift would be great

[lusty grotto]

hey ghash whats your vault report

cause i got 4 sockets

[warm plinth]

haven't checked yet but I couldn't even be bothered to do all of them

[strong forum]

cuz youd make the game more accessible and degens would degen harder ohno

youd make the game more fun

ohno

terrible

[lusty grotto]

understandable

[uneven mason]

They gonna degen anyway

[strong forum]

exactly

[grizzled nova]

I could see blizzard allowing you to manufacture keys that gave score but didn't drop loot/cpunt toward vault.

[strong forum]

like all theyre doing with depleting keys is, is prevent you from actually experimenting

and are fostering more toxicity

[lusty grotto]

it def fosters more toxicity

a lot more

[strong forum]

you arent allowed to test/experiment

[lusty grotto]

people dont practice

[uneven mason]

Like hey if I've got x completed on +24, let me just queue it up on 25, no random key needed

[strong forum]

cuz you only have 1 shot

[lusty grotto]

they expect a key done on the first try

[strong forum]

unless you play 300 keys a day

to get the same key

[lusty grotto]

yup

[strong forum]

multiple times a week

[uneven mason]

The random key is to avoid the "maw" chit

[grizzled nova]

I think the issue from Blizzard's end is that they don't want weekly key completers to get off the randomized treadmill they've created for engagement's sake.

[lusty grotto]

no

[uneven mason]

Because people will just scum the easiest keys, but they do that anyway

[strong forum]

yeah like

[chilly brook]

Depleting back to back keys and then you get to spend 3x as long just to do the key level you want to do

[lusty grotto]

they are probably worried that people would reroll the easy key of the season or some bullshit

[strong forum]

weekly key gamers only do the easiest keys anyway

theyre literally not affected

[grizzled nova]

But yeh if Blizzard allowed us to make keystones that just awarded score and nothing else, seems a win-win

[lusty grotto]

oh i was late, ikari 😦

[uneven mason]

You're what!??

[strong forum]

imagine a scenario where you can just do the key you want to with your group of friends for a whole day straight

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not an issue, people that run the easy key barely get io anyway

[strong forum]

and time it on a new level

and once you cant time it with your current strat

[uneven mason]

Who's the father

[strong forum]

you just get a better one

[sick sentinel]

warrior is getting dicked on by this hunter

[strong forum]

and keep going

instead of going "FUCK we have to play X key now"

[uneven mason]

Imagine a world where people could focus on the content they want to do

[inland raft]

Honestly just make key level a per dungeon basis and you select key level when enter that key

[strong forum]

yes

exactly that

[uneven mason]

GRift method

[strong forum]

you individually level up the dungeons

and can only queue up to whatever you timed+1

[lusty grotto]

that would be dope

[strong forum]

its that simple

[uneven mason]

Just click the thing and pick completed +1

[grizzled nova]

holy fuck that for alts

[strong forum]

?

someone else start the key

at 20

boom

done

gg go next

[uneven mason]

Make it account wide?

[strong forum]

ykno

the same people already do

or make it just free until +20

[grizzled nova]

I think this is too far and Blizzard wouldn't go for it, if it were applied to keys generally.

[strong forum]

and only push keys need to be timed

[inland raft]

Literally the only “downside” is that people woukr just run same one for all their weeklys but they do that anyways just takes longer so whats the problem?

[strong forum]

to get access to

[grizzled nova]

I think Blizzard wants to keep their m+ loot treadmill intact the way it is, and what were suggesting would have to be seperated from that somehow.

[chilly brook]

Even worse you have FH 22 that you need for io, you deplete twice because people are stupid, spend another 2 hours pushing your key back to 22 and it’s a key you already have at that level

[chilly brook]

Why?

This doesn’t change how loot works at all

[inland raft]

If want specific loot run that dungeon same as do now

[grizzled nova]

Yeh basically my suggestion would then be that any key that is 21+ can be converted to a score-key, no loot or vault progress, but doesn't deplete either.

[chilly brook]

Why

[grizzled nova]

Something akin to that Blizzard might be able to stomach.

[chilly brook]

Why would you do that lmao

That’s stupid

[lusty grotto]

that wouldnt be a bad idea though