protection

[nimble skiff]

then i can run the same 3 next week + one more for 70 points and be done

[blazing condor]

whats ur current level for them?

you could just do other dungeons higher as well

id rather do a 20 anything over an 18 uldaman

[nimble skiff]

every 19 i got into died at first boss so i'm pretty weary of going there

one sec

[blazing condor]

the difference between key level really isnt big

[nimble skiff]

do i need a tanking trinket for 18/19?

[blazing condor]

no

[strong forum]

absolutely not

[blazing condor]

at 435 ilvl you dont need anything really

[strong forum]

you dont need a tanking trinket for 28s

[blazing condor]

m+ at that level is moreso just knowing the dungeons

and what mobs/bosses do what

and being comfortable with that

its not about squeezing the most out of your class and toolkit to survive

[strong forum]

18s and keys like that

are just

get a clean run

dont do crazy shit

dont do dumb shit

and if your dps players arent monkeys

the key is timed comfortably

[blazing condor]

you can 100% just pull pack to pack and not try any wacky strats

[strong forum]

(this will work until 25s btw)

[blazing condor]

granted ur dps is actually doing normal dps

[strong forum]

what matters is a clean run

not a rushed "i have to play like high keys" run

[blazing condor]

even for neltharus you wont need any big chain pulls

you can just play it normally and youll time

even though its obv optimal to try and chain

but no need to pull the entire room for a chain pull

[nimble skiff]

any other dungeon ont hat list you think would be better than uld to run

[blazing condor]

i mean any other dungeon is easier

but depends on what youve already done

[nimble skiff]

dps all dungeons, tanked? none just gonna giver

was gonna take it slow next season and learn but i'm pretty rattled that i don't care. trial by fire

[strong forum]

every dungeon is probably easier than uldaman for a weekly key

maybe bar hoi

hoi and uldaman are probably the "hardest" weekly keys

[nimble skiff]

okay cool. maybe i'll do a 19 FH and a 17 uld to offset it

[toxic pewter]

ele shammy super fun on the ptr btw

if anyone want to try a new ranged spec

[strong forum]

elesham is the ranged spec that plays the least like a caster

thats why its fun

[toxic pewter]

yah the lava burst playstyle so fun to me

[torn gulch]

i wonder if you have 2k flightstones on a char will they be reset next week?

[strong forum]

id think so?

[torn gulch]

it is a currency i know crests will be gray

but on ptr i still have all my flighstones

[toxic pewter]

yah flightstones seem to span patches.. interesting

[torn gulch]

i mean with how easy is to farm flightstones i don't see the point of resseting them

you are bottlenecked by crests anyway

[toxic pewter]

yup

[torn gulch]

i want to raise my alts quikly next week to 437 with flighstones and if they allow whelpling week one like in 10.1 i will be able to craft 3 447 items

to boost my alts

[strong forum]

437s should just drop from doing the questline in 10.2

[torn gulch]

not directly

they drop on the explorer track

and you have to upgrade them to 437 with flighstones

[strong forum]

ic

[torn gulch]

from campaign world quests rares treasures

that's how i want to get some of my alts to par next week

and hopefully we can get whelpling week 1

so i can do some 447 gear

plus another 441 piece from the weekly quest and 441 from first superbloom of the week

gearing alts quick and dirty

[strong forum]

me just speedrun quest

no time to look at loot

just fast

[torn gulch]

you don't need it

that's why

don't care for it

[strong forum]

[hardy snow]

if you're staying up remember to ask for externals from healers right before they go down, monk's bubble+sac from paladin is great combo for that

[sick sentinel]

camera man to the hc tournament died lol

[strong forum]

lol?

[sick sentinel]

he got bombed

some random engi or quest bomb

[strong forum]

kek

[jagged gust]

That's fucking hilarious

[sharp ruin]

my fear guys is for the everbloom key xD

[torn gulch]

eh no fear we go in we time we go next key

[sharp ruin]

we can't handle that number of kicks , in pugs we will never get taked for that key

[strong forum]

everyone will hate everbloom

past 2nd boss that dungeon is just cursed

[blazing condor]

isnt everbloom at least kinda short

i dont really remember

[sharp ruin]

people will always take ppala or vdh , we will be avoided for every everbloom i think xD

[strong forum]

pwar is one of the better tanks for everbloom though

VDH silence sigil doesnt work as silence on the casters

[toxic pewter]

everbloom scary

[strong forum]

only as interrupt

[sharp ruin]

i mean packs before 3rd boss

[strong forum]

yeah

silence sigil doesnt work

its only an interrupt there

[sharp ruin]

oh , so just ppala xD

[strong forum]

not a silence

[blazing condor]

cant we just line spell reflects on caster packs

[sharp ruin]

we will see , anyway prot warr looks pretty solid and i love it

the 2 dungeons that scary me are everbloom and throne of the tides

i didn't test the 2 new dungeons

[shut summit]

upper dawn basically every boss and everbloom council boss were the only ones that super felt bad to me on warr

[blazing condor]

cant wait to get my shit rocked by a chromie frontal

[strong forum]

its physical

i think

[blazing condor]

oh nvm then

[sharp ruin]

council boss is just for every tank i see xD

and upper dawn idk , i hope they will fix the damage of that dungeon

[strong forum]

ye sand blast is physical

cant block it, but armor works

so gucci

[sharp ruin]

looks so overtuned

[blazing condor]

its gonna get fixed for sure

[strong forum]

mega dungeons got nerfed alot

theyre just shit mechanically

[blazing condor]

mythic mega dungeons hurt

[strong forum]

no longer as overtuned

just shit mechanics

[toxic pewter]

any idea if spell block works better against last boss of dawn upper

[strong forum]

you block the frontal

so thats useful

[toxic pewter]

the dot still not blockable right

[shut summit]

it was hittin me for 700k in a 20 tyran

[strong forum]

dot isnt disgusting anymore, still annoying tho

[shut summit]

but its been nerfed i think since then, not sure aint been followin too close

chromie frontal that is

[toxic pewter]

ok thats good to know

[blazing condor]

chromie frontal would hurt on normal mythic on live so imagined it would hurt in m+

but last boss probably the worst

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the Chromie frontal does a lot more damage than you think it would for being physical

[toxic pewter]

crap whcih dawn we talking about

[trim pumice]

Yeah i only tested all the dungeons on 20 but last 3 in upper mega just wrecked

[strong forum]

well yeah but better than magic lol

[toxic pewter]

i think i confused myself

[pallid quiver]

Last boss adds should still slap a bit, I wager, especially with breath existing

[strong forum]

yeah upper is just not a good key for us

[blazing condor]

i think spell block for ads + frontal on last boss is gonna be good

[toxic pewter]

is upper the last bosses or first bosses

[strong forum]

last

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[strong forum]

upper is always the 2nd part

[toxic pewter]

yes

[strong forum]

lower the 1st part

[trim pumice]

and the dog packs in throne were not fun at all

[strong forum]

thats established jargon

dogs have also been nerfed

[sharp ruin]

i hope and think dogs and upper doti will be nerfed

[strong forum]

and since you always play aug

you will have a bleed cleanse

• dwarf/bop

[shut summit]

last boss breath hit me for 730k with 230k dot ticks every 1sec

[strong forum]

lovely

[blazing condor]

fun

[shut summit]

it was insane, again think its been nerfed some but ya

[pallid quiver]

@shut summit By the way, did you see if you could still outrange the Deios frontal in PTR?

[shut summit]

didnt try

[sharp ruin]

i really really hope they nerf it more and more

this dungeon sucks

[pallid quiver]

It'd help a ton if you still can, since you can currently leap every other breath

awkward to not kill your dps with the breath if you're bad like me, tho

[lusty grotto]

random 3600 io alt

[shut summit]

the fuckin decapitate on the alliance/horde boss or w/e it is, is a double hit unblockable that does 370k each

[strong forum]

you do both

[shut summit]

and he can auto attack and do his aoe shout in the same global

[blazing condor]

what you actually do is make sure the frogs are in the circle

[shut summit]

the whole dungeon royally sucks ass for us

[blazing condor]

and u press reflect

[lusty grotto]

you KITE THE FROG BOSS as a tank on 21 HOI? LMAO

[strong forum]

not kite kite

but move him onto frogs

[trim pumice]

Yeah the commander boss fucking trucks i thought it wouldn’t be that bad

[strong forum]

and group also moves frogs onto boss

[lusty grotto]

bro

i have never

[sharp ruin]

yeah is a bad dungeon for us , but i think this still need to be nerfed

is not possible that this bosses hit that hard , or just maybe VDH can tank iut

[lusty grotto]

the only fucking idiot that didnt kite their frogs was that dumbass boomy

[sharp ruin]

it*

[pallid quiver]

Mechanically, Battlefield ain't really a boss

It just hits hard

[blazing condor]

realistically the group should be positioned well enough so you dont have to kite boss to a ranged player

[lusty grotto]

ive done 25s

[blazing condor]

and ppl should just cc/make it easy for you to just stand there

[lusty grotto]

i have fucking never

[blazing condor]

but if that aint happening

[lusty grotto]

and also when he said that

the priest healer was dead

and he was typing

thats why he got blasted

by "why arent you brezzing"

like you expect people to stack for frogs

but i wasnt on his ass about it

[shut summit]

the everbloom council boss does a magic dmg charge every ~13secs and was doing almost 800k, and the puddle that spawns after can instant tick as well

[blazing condor]

cant wait for many hotfixes

[shut summit]

yup

[sharp ruin]

yeah this 2 dungeons will be hotfixed for sure

and we will shine

prot warr will be great again

❤️

[daring marlin]

...you get what you fuckin' deserve 🔫 @lusty grotto

[strong forum]

we are already shining

[shut summit]

everything else was super fine

just what i listed are pain points

[sharp ruin]

but still playable?

[shut summit]

in 20s ya absolutely, scaled to 440 and it was doable

[strong forum]

andy did 29s

[shut summit]

i just know pushing keys in those ones will be pain

[strong forum]

with 440 ilvl

y'all be fine

[hazy bronze]

Me and my homies love instatick

[sharp ruin]

so i think with 480 ilevel we will be fine in a 26-27-28 too

[pallid quiver]

If they keep beeing able to leap breath on Deios, at least that shouldn't be toooo bad if you lus adds, since you can have Shield Wall up for every breath you do take other than the 2nd one in the fight, iirc

[sharp ruin]

playing good

and using well our defensives

[strong forum]

scaling on PTR is to s2 values

hence also the 440ilvl

so like

its omega fine

just need to adjust numbers on everbloom and mega dungeon

cuz every tank hates those

[sharp ruin]

yeah

finally good notices for us

and our tear set finally is balanced and good

and is ST we do big dam

so in raid we will be a very good choice too

[strong forum]

if you include all degen stuff

we're 4th in ST

but thats assuming absolute mega max potential

which is unrealistic for 2 of the tanks above us

[sharp ruin]

i love it

[pallid quiver]

So you're telling me I just need to buy myself a pet Enha and I'm gamin'?

[strong forum]

oh yeah absolutely

enha is 7k dps for us

[sharp ruin]

i will force my friend in my guild to play enha

if he didn't i go beat him up xD

[strong forum]

like, pwar is one of the best classes for WFT

(assuming you also play that well)

[pallid quiver]

Guess I might look into running my own pug raids this season then

[sharp ruin]

i do a 200k shield slam in his ass xD

[pallid quiver]

Oh, I know. Just the pugs don't agree

[strong forum]

any guild who doesnt put pwar in the WFT group for raid is just trolling

or you have 4 arms warriors

[pallid quiver]

"lmao ur a tank"

gives wft to ret

[sharp ruin]

i do group in my raid so easy xD

[blazing condor]

but the officers and the gms wife has to get the buffs

[strong forum]

package deals

ugh

[blazing condor]

"sry guys i wont come and raid if my gf cant"
-the best guy in the raid

[strong forum]

1 of the 2 is always absolutely terrible at the game

[blazing condor]

thats why you make the worse one become the 21st man

[strong forum]

unless youre sjele and roiben

[blazing condor]

they together?

[strong forum]

ye

[blazing condor]

pog

[strong forum]

for a while now

unless theyre the closest friends ive ever seen

[shut summit]

me and my wife been tankin together since wod now

so nice just talkin in person with cotank

[blazing condor]

hell ye

the tank/cotank bond is a special one

u guys can just taunt swap the baby every night

[shut summit]

xd

taunt swap each other whenever one of us pulls threat

normally me yelling this tier cuz shes 15k+ dps ahead of me

[lusty grotto]

today i learned

[strong forum]

oh shit

[lusty grotto]

Master Mrs Sense

[strong forum]

didnt know sol was mrs sense

[lusty grotto]

and Master Sense

[strong forum]

thats pog af

[lusty grotto]

ya

[strong forum]

such a based guild

just playing guardian pwar

forever

[lusty grotto]

ye

[shut summit]

[pallid quiver]

So based on this and what Sense said, Sense is terrible at the game :L

damn i should uninstall if sense is even just merely good, let alone bad, man's a legend

[strong forum]

exceptions prove the rule

[nimble skiff]

OKAY, finally tanked my first key, +18 FH

[strong forum]

gaming

[nimble skiff]

wasn't too bad, had to sit in D stance for majority of ity

[strong forum]

youll get the hang of it

[blazing condor]

i just gave up on m+ this season

[toxic pewter]

nice

[nimble skiff]

i asked for feedback, only thing i need to improve on is getting out of sanguine faster

so overall, pretty happy all things considered

[shut summit]

too old now 👴

[blazing condor]

good job

[blazing condor]

what happened to your "boomer" role

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, although we always tell people to default to Battle, you sit in D Stance as long as you need to in order to clear the content.

[shut summit]

🤷‍♂️

[grim pilot]

[dusky canopy]

Co tanking with the wife..

Does it get any more chad than that?

[toxic pewter]

sense living the dream unironically

[bleak breach]

Apb

How you doing today?

[toxic pewter]

so so, thx for asking

how r u

[bleak breach]

I work at a fish factory

So miserable

[toxic pewter]

is that right

are you a fishmonger

is that the term

or what u do there

[bleak breach]

Just drive a forklift loading trailers

[toxic pewter]

interesting

you got a forklift license

that bad ass

[bleak breach]

Farmed salmon and trout

[toxic pewter]

hey you have an important job you help get food on peoples table

i respect you

[bleak breach]

That’s a fair way to look at it

Pays the bills and looks after my family, so that’s all that matters.

[toxic pewter]

we take it all for granted, all the food on all the shelves

i have seen it all dissapear in my life time

its no joke when that happens

[torn gulch]

oh yeah music stops when food and water will become scarce

which, depends where you live might be a posibility in our lifetime

[tribal cliff]

Possibly a dumb question, between Shield wall and Last stand, which gets pushed more often?

[strong forum]

currently, last stand

cuz tierset

next patch, shield wall

[tribal cliff]

Ok cheers, needed to know where to put each keybind

[pallid quiver]

he hit the enter key early on accident

I see all

[torn gulch]

seems outside of embelished crafts and probably rings crafted items will mostly be stopgaps to 489s

yea i did

[nimble skiff]

WOO 18 nethralus down, second key tanked

[torn gulch]

good

[nimble skiff]

still had to sit in d stance for trash and went battle for bosses

do i blow shield wall on the basalisks> why are they so dangerous in uldaman

[graceful kite]

because we cant do shit about bleeds

[nimble skiff]

ah

[graceful kite]

dont let them get stacked on you

worst pwar dungeon

[nimble skiff]

maybe i shouldn't try that for my next dungeon. sucks cause i can get 20 m+ rating out of it which sets me up to run 4 dungeons next week and get KSH

[torn gulch]

i found a wild nome

explaining things to crit

[strong forum]

ofc

[lusty grotto]

if youre trying to do 20s this and next week, i hope youre prepared

because portal chasers are the most toxic fucking people imaginable

[strong forum]

S3 few opening weeks are gonna be horrid for pugging

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[strong forum]

Cuz every cave dweller expects to get 17-20s done instantly

[lusty grotto]

but this week has been fucking horrible, ive been trying to get my friends some 20s

[strong forum]

Without working for it

[lusty grotto]

yeah no doubt

every single warlock in s2

every. single. one. in the first week

was like that

[jagged gust]

Will 11s still be the cutoff for S3 version of wyrms?

cuz I think that'd be attainable for me

[lusty grotto]

yeah probs

[daring marlin]

Hey that was me in S2 start!

[mellow bridge]

First week 20s are so fun usually

Rly looking forward to it

(altho my class set is going to get murdered when patch comes out so that sucks)

[toxic pewter]

wat class set

[lusty grotto]

im guessying muyuu means guardian

[toxic pewter]

i see

[daring marlin]

L bozo

S1 prot pally set was giga in keys

helped out a lot in early S2 keys tbh

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember but

key dungeons were deactivated on the first patch week yeah?

im pretty sure they were but not completely sure

[waxen frigate]

I love week 1 20s

Literally my favorite part of the game

[mellow bridge]

Nah dh

[mellow bridge]

First week of patch is old dungeons still

That's when you wanna do a high key to get a good one for new patch

[bleak breach]

Nothing beats the toxic key community

Go in for some fun and have some guy ride you because your not pulling as if you’re the sweatiest man in wow

[lusty grotto]

yeah that was what i was trying to figure out

[bleak breach]

Might be a stupid question, but you don’t get new vault on that first week do you?

[mellow bridge]

No, you get a s2 loot vault

But a s3 key

[daring marlin]

Inb4 it's 10 key levels lower than your previous week again

That shit was hilarious

@violet flume y u delete

craven

[violet flume]

i was replying to a message that was 10 years old apparantly

[daring marlin]

LMAOOOOOOO

[violet flume]

discord didnt bring me back to current epoch

but might as well whine

[daring marlin]

League more fun. Now all they gptta do is make arena permanent.

[violet flume]

had a 380k hp healer in a +16

im like ok whatever, rest of the group is 440 ilevel

[daring marlin]

You fool

[violet flume]

healer was the top g, 440 ilevel bozos he got from dungeon finder pulled some strong 49k dps

49k, 55k and 75k

like how

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/QoyBdL6r00M?si=S0O9kXDl-d0LyKPo

happy halloween

maybe ill do spooky scary skeletons tomorrow

[violet flume]

ah man youtube circumvented my anti adblock

[daring marlin]

Your first mistake was doing keys this late in the patch

[sick sentinel]

oh no ads

[daring marlin]

Your second was doing a 16!

[sick sentinel]

mentally block them or click away

[daring marlin]

begging for disaster!

[violet flume]

i just wnat to get my favoirte alts geared to start 10.2 strong man

i tried plenty of +20 lately i just gave up lmao

[daring marlin]

That hell ain't worth it brother

[violet flume]

i got all my portals on my warrior im good

[lusty grotto]

fuck that

my alts are okay at 17s

[violet flume]

i failed like 3 +16s in my entire life

[daring marlin]

Gearing when the season drops is the way

[sick sentinel]

hey so

[violet flume]

yesterday was the 3rd time

[sick sentinel]

i heard you like doing this ond fjngeon

[violet flume]

jolly group who loves the static cling in vortex pinnacle

[lusty grotto]

weirdge

[daring marlin]

jumping hard

[lusty grotto]

i didnt have any issues with 17s today

[sick sentinel]

so much to to point that you could run it 20 times harder and around 39 to 40 minutes

[lusty grotto]

but 20-22 for my friends was absolutely horrible

[sick sentinel]

so, herex aportal

[violet flume]

i thought id be fine since i played my prot pal and i can freedom but it seems like it hits like a truck on tyr

hm so maybe i need to do +17s

[sick sentinel]

that only ther character you earned it on can teleport to the dungeon

whos pribably ran it 30 times by now collected the mog

cant do teleport on alts

[violet flume]

also i tried bear mage tower today 2shot it

wish i 2shot it on warrior 😦

[sick sentinel]

blaregh

[violet flume]

1st boss has like 5x more hp on prot war wtf

[sick sentinel]

why game have to be like this

[lusty grotto]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHJNjtmFhI 6 year old video

no ilvl cheese, current patch

at the time

[cinder storm]

I logged to do a 20 for weekly, hunter does 2k more dps than me, doesn't lusts, at least was kicking things, third top dmg was beacon

Healer got so mad she left last boss because he wasn't using any defensives nor dpsing the last boss VP add enough

Enough wow for the week for me

[zinc iris]

Any ideas what embels are looking like or prot? Versi Wrists and sporecloak?

[jagged gust]

prot war mage tower is some bullllshit

[lusty grotto]

no

same as we have now at the moment

versa wrists were never good

and you wont maintain hp above 70% to make sporecloak worth

[daring marlin]

wat

go unga bunga

victory

[torn gust]

^

[bleak breach]

Damn, I haven’t done that since legion

I think I did prot/fury and arms

[jagged gust]

fury/arms are super easy, prot took me like 12k in repair bills

[bleak breach]

Can’t remember how long it took me, but think it was only a few attempts. Although I did it at end of tier so was probably overgeared by then

[pallid quiver]

It's mostly just don't get knocked off or commit suicide on the max HP reduction of P1

[zinc iris]

Ngl idk what they are now I just have been using my Arms gear for Prot

[pallid quiver]

Due to spell reflect making you immortal to everything but one shots in P2, you really just have to not get knocked off

[zinc iris]

Its good enough since I only tank up to 22's

[pallid quiver]

So if you know the mechs/can handle them, it's easy

If you don't, you have a terrible time

[lusty grotto]

arms gear is all you need for prot

arms and prot share the same stats

same embelishments

[zinc iris]

I am a Fury main but I got arms gear for raid prog and then just used it for Prot too

[lusty grotto]

same trinkets at times minus OCE if you dont have a full group

[zinc iris]

I have been using Anvil, Dargrul

[lusty grotto]

yeah those are good

[zinc iris]

for prot that is

OCE and Anvil on both fury and arms

[lusty grotto]

anvil beacon preferably

[zinc iris]

I should have a mythic beacon but my raid stopped sark prog :/

[lusty grotto]

could just sim it

but heroic beacon could be great

especially for totem/add bosses

[zinc iris]

idk howI @'d that person but I meant to say we stopped @ 33%

[lusty grotto]

and especially for big pulls

[zinc iris]

I honestly never rolled on any beacons from heroic on warrior since I am a fury main and fury is gigachad and doesnt need damage trinks

only stat trinks here

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

they work well anyway

[zinc iris]

We are just gonna ignore the fact that anvil is a damage trink but that doesnt matter

Cause Fury

[lusty grotto]

ye

[zinc iris]

So we still run double shadowflame for pushing keys?

Cause prot seems > fury next tier for key pushing

[lusty grotto]

or belt and sf

either combo is fine

[zinc iris]

I love me some SkS prot Troar CDR shenanigans

Not using Last Stand for damage feels nice

I hate this tierset ngl

[pallid quiver]

I don't mind it since Last Stand's a fairly mid defensive CD, anyhow

[zinc iris]

Like the Sheild Slam reducing like all your CDs is nice but the 4set feels meh, having damage tied to last stand just feels odd

I suppose Last stand is pretty weak

Its mostly just an oh shit button ngl

[pallid quiver]

you can also use it to get a bit of a bigger health pool before a hit and to make Imp Victory heal for more when you press it

[zinc iris]

Honestly never thought of that

Thats kinda big, niche but big

I only M+ tank and so far only up to 22s so I havent really had to master the class that much

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, definitely not useless, but not like the strongest CD around

[zinc iris]

I just like Spell Reflect

[lusty grotto]

last stand isnt even an oh shit button

its fairly weak

so having play this season is good

and serving as a throwback to BFA

[pallid quiver]

and SL, like S3/4 SL

since we used it on CD for the rage gen to fuel banner

[lusty grotto]

well thats true

[zinc iris]

I only started playing fury war late SL

I started playing in SL as Veng DH -> Havoc DH ->Fury War

[lusty tiger]

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[teal swift]

@jagged pier we cleared megadungeon

[chilly brook]

Two demo areas for WoW separated by the "Corridor of Time"

We gettin Classic +?

[ionic fern]

Where's Hots?

[pallid quiver]

Druids have them 🙂

[wind oak]

Hots is so dead no even at blizzcon

[ionic fern]

Idk.

Seems alive whenever i log in.

[wind oak]

When was the last time they put a new hero in there?

[ionic fern]

Idk.

Game's a blast tho.

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hi, ily.

[warm plinth]

Also didn't they announce a while back that HotS wasn't going to be worked on anymore

[ionic fern]

Lowkey, HOTS has gotten bugfixes and tiny upgrades over the last few months.

Which is way more than they gave HOTS over the last few years.

[blazing condor]

hots isnt even a bad game

like a lot of ppl i know play and like it

it just couldnt keep up with dota/league in terms of esport

[opaque quest]

Hots is so damn good

I will never forgive blizz for killing it

We couldve gotten lilith too as a hero now

[blazing condor]

not to be pessimistic but kinda feels like blizz has killed all their titles

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicholas-cage-gif-13481115

Destiny is dead too now

Diablo looks to be on a rise

[teal swift]

Destiny isnt a blizzard title anymore

Bungee bought themselves out

Fact is SC business model didnt make money

HoTS wasnt popular

Overwatch needed to be milked

WoW is doing fine lul

Diablo 4 idk, D2R is doing well

[opaque quest]

Ye but Destiny was doing fine under Blizzard thats the sad part

[teal swift]

Bungee wanted out of the basement

:kekw:

https://tenor.com/view/running-help-me-escaped-basement-gif-17621617

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure overwatch was doing fine with the OW1 model. Me and all my friends bought boxes every event

[opaque quest]

[teal swift]

It needed to generate more to justify

the money they were dumping in for esports lmao

[opaque quest]

In OW2 i havent spent a single cent. Not even on Battlepasses

[teal swift]

You havnt

but im sure the quarterly

will say

all the C oD bros

bought it

[opaque quest]

Oh yeah

I always forget OW2 is now CoD for dps players lmao

[teal swift]

That said 5 more to level nex week

[opaque quest]

Im out until the 7th/14th. I tried to play my monk but 5 weeks in a row i didnt get an upgrade from vault or raid even tho im only 430

Enjoy having something to do it might not last

[teal swift]

You forgot

[opaque quest]

oh damn

[teal swift]

if youre on NA

maybe next week i can bring you to some fun keys

or something

[opaque quest]

Im on EU

[teal swift]

Oh well

[opaque quest]

I got a friend that is trying to coerce me into the game and i need to shut him down everytime cause there isnt much to do if youre only after ilvl

[teal swift]

I came back last week, previously quit in SL S2

so i got some alright gear last week

gonna KSM in 2 keys :kekw:

[opaque quest]

Oh yeah just grinding some 17s for 441 is always fun

[teal swift]

Eh my ilvl is like 430

or something lmao

dont need ilvl for these low keys

dont even need optimization

or good piloting tbh

Im being mocked by the acheus discord

for wasting about 30% of my RP

lmao

[blazing condor]

its like pwarrs who are top 10 rio that also waste 30% rage

[teal swift]

xD

Im bad, im trying to improve

but theres at least enough pilot skill and experience to know how to pull and handle big packs i guess?

[sharp ruin]

my only fear for the 10.2 m+ dugenon pools is that there are sooooo much caster mobs , and we as warrior don't have pretty nothing to control that

this is something that scare me , we can't help team in that sense in any way

[blazing condor]

spell block / reflect will always be good

then we have quite a bit of cc

but yeah a lot of magic damage aint exactly good for us

[sharp ruin]

magic damage is not what scares me , cause we have good defensive cds for magic damage now

but the fact we can't control mobs like a VDH or a ppala

and this is why i think people will not take us in keys xD

but i tried ppala and feels a bit squishy in high keys

[teal swift]

Wont matter

Jut send it

even though upper is like 60% magic 40% physical

you should be fine

[bleak breach]

Spell block will nearly be up every pack, you’ll be fine. Just rotate cds if necessary

[teal swift]

Prot warrior is mostly fine without a healer

like actually

[sharp ruin]

yeah cds for magic damage is not a problem

[bleak breach]

Hmmmmm

What level content you running without a healer?

[sharp ruin]

the fact is , VDH and ppala will control packs waaaaaaay better than us , and dungeons like throne or everbloom where soooo much kicks are required

[teal swift]

I said mostly fine.

Healer doesnt really need to dump into tanks

any of the 6 tanks

rotational mastery > healer

[blazing condor]

i mean we have Pummel / Shockwave / Storm Bolt / Intim shout - all on pretty short CDs

[teal swift]

DPS get rekt

by all the aoes lmao

so you need a healer for them

[blazing condor]

then again im not gonna push any top keys - and if i dont get invited to a 20 because my class then i wouldnt wanna play with those dudes anyway

cus theyre braindead thinking class matters on a 20

[sharp ruin]

for a 20 all tanks are very good 😄

[grand veldt]

you can tank on any tank up to like 28 or 29 rn

[sharp ruin]

but for keys like 27-29 ( the range i'm doing now in live patch )

[bleak breach]

You don’t need to actually do higher then 20

Rest is for io

[grand veldt]

highest brewmaster rn is doing 29s and 30s

brewmaster is by far the worst tank

[sharp ruin]

is not that the problem man 😄 if u have a team and u do keys with your team u cando what u want

[teal swift]

does class even matter before 25s?

like, ltikerall every class can do 25s

[sharp ruin]

but if u don't have it , u have to do the "meta" tank or people will not take you

[teal swift]

better more reliable and consistent pulls >>> oh look Keystone Hero

[bleak breach]

Class always matters to a point.

[teal swift]

Not for tanks

:kekw:

[bleak breach]

Yes

[teal swift]

No, it really doesnt

Properly pulling and piloting will get you as far as your class goes.

[sharp ruin]

it matters a lot dude

[teal swift]

It doesnt matter if youre warrior or druid

[jagged pier]

try 29s cause i think every spec has done a 29

[bleak breach]

Guardian Druid will always beat us at same level

[teal swift]

These people

[bleak breach]

Currently

[teal swift]

think class matters before end tier keys

:kekw:

[bleak breach]

It does

[jagged pier]

yer

as usual

[teal swift]

It literally doesnt

[jagged pier]

ppl always think its does

when it doesnt

[bleak breach]

I respect your point of view, but it does. To a point that is, you can clear with any group up until the top level but there are classes better at it.

[teal swift]

Do you know why

bear is #1

and doing keylevels like +2 levels above all other tanks?

[bleak breach]

Because their tier is good lol

[sharp ruin]

man i'm taling about utility and mob controls , this kind of things just make the key smoother and faster

[jagged pier]

omg not utility again

im still wait for the guy toi tell me how one tank has more than another

[teal swift]

Druid has unlimited rage.

it allowed for permanent armor capping
insane AoE DPS

[jagged pier]

without plumping like 5 against 1 in the arguement

[teal swift]

neither of these things actually help

clear lower keys

these let you push past normal tank limits

So if you're not already clearing 28s, having a druid isnt going to magically make you clear 29-30 keys

lmao

[bleak breach]

I mean they do, if a tank is better at the top level, it’s also better at the low level.

It just doesn’t really matter as much in lower keys

[teal swift]

Survival isnt a concern

in 30 and below

every tank just presses buttons and wins

as you scale higher, tank damage intake and required dps output

become an issue

[karmic plinth]

arguably you could give druid its 10.0 or even 9.0 rage economy with this current talent tree it will still be top end just not so strong comparatively

[bleak breach]

I mean I can easily get wrecked in a 20 if I’m not careful lol

Survival is always an issue unless you’re doing 10s at 447

[jagged pier]

thats dependant on player

[teal swift]

lets just end the discussion here, literally no one with a pulse can gleam anything useful from this

[jagged pier]

literally nothing to do with tanks

if u can die in a 20

thats a player issue

not a tank issue

[teal swift]

nah @jagged pier just roll a druid, will fix all the problems

Your DPS wil lmagically use their stops properly

and all their utility

and you'[ll magically get your rotation down perfectly

[sharp ruin]

i mean guys , i mean that in a key live everbloom where u need so much kicks to do and so much mobs controls to do , doing that with a tank who can control them waaaaaaaay better than other just make the key smoother and faster

[teal swift]

yepyep

[jagged pier]

well they better because warrior has no utility apprently

[sharp ruin]

that was what i was saying , all here 😄

[jagged pier]

yep yep

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the player issue of not having enough vers/stats 🙂

[teal swift]

unless youre doing content, where your absolute limit of your class is being pushed

[jagged pier]

apart from vdh i dont know what tank has more stops than us

[teal swift]

it doesnt fducking matter what you play

[jagged pier]

🤷

[pallid quiver]

pala has a lot more autopilot stops for interupt casts

[karmic plinth]

we dont have access to double silence sigil but we still have access to a lot of short cd stops

[sharp ruin]

pala do 100+ kicks in keys

[pallid quiver]

thanks to shield/divine toll

[sharp ruin]

and vdh got 2 silence sigils

[bleak breach]

Avengers shield

[teal swift]

@jagged pier idk how stat we ights are for Prot warr, is stacking vers still copium placebo like it is for bdk?

[sharp ruin]

and 2 chain sigils

[jagged pier]

its gone away

[pallid quiver]

So that's what immediately comes to mind for most people I'd wager

[jagged pier]

cool so same amount of stops than us

1 less

if we take disrupting

[karmic plinth]

for what its worth we do have the option to take disrupting ye

[teal swift]

Like, people proselytize stat weights and stcking the right stats, and that you need the rig ht amounts

[sharp ruin]

man 2 silence sigils , 2 chain sigils , 2 fear sigils

[jagged pier]

cool 5 vs 6 not bad

[sharp ruin]

vdh can silence a pack for 14 seconds , AOE

[karmic plinth]

even then just having 2nd charges doesnt mean you get double hte amount

[jagged pier]

u guys literally cry about aoe stops when 99% of spells doing nothing outside of WF keys

[teal swift]

@jagged pier Someone needs to make a graphic, of the importance of each factor of gameplay, as a pyramid, and have rotational mastery at the bottom and stats and class at the top LOL

[jagged pier]

like usually theres 1 or 2 big mobs u need to care about

and we have so many tools to deal with

i dunno

just stop crying and use the correct tool for the job like your supposed too

[teal swift]

People dont understand that the difference between a +20 and a +28 isnt gear or class, its literally just rotational mastery, pathing, and clean pristine pulls.

[jagged pier]

or reroll

like it sounds like u want to

[teal swift]

So the people struggling with 20-22 keys, just cope

[jagged pier]

because they aint changing warrior

[teal swift]

and say its my class, iots my stat weights, i just need that trinket

[jagged pier]

as i said earlier thats a skill issue u die at those lvls

[teal swift]

isntead of beiung like, i fucking suck, lets just drill these pulls and practice

[jagged pier]

^^

or lets log

[teal swift]

Guess what, we all fucking s uck

[jagged pier]

or record myself

so i can see where i go wrong

'no it cant be me

[teal swift]

Yepyep, s3 i'll be running a prot warrior, i love my lil vulper :3

[jagged pier]

im play perfectly

[teal swift]

The people here

would be ripped apart in the bdk discord

[jagged pier]

like literally every single time

[sharp ruin]

i will always pèlay prot warr , cause i love it , i was just saying that people will not take us for that reason , cause people are stupid xD

[teal swift]

Warrior discord is like super carebear

and sweet and kind

[jagged pier]

some comes in here, 'I'm playing perfectly but im dying this class sucks'

[teal swift]

DK discord is like, opens log, shows eveyr mistake you make and calls out everything

[jagged pier]

we look at logs

literally are playing incorrectly

[bleak breach]

I dunno, whenever anyone comments in here they seem to just get mouthed off at

[teal swift]

The moment you find a perfect protwarrior key, you recruit them for your M DI key

because even the #1 players at the top

make a fair amount of mistakes

THe goal is minimizing most of them, and elimitating egregious ones

[pallid quiver]

And that's if we get logs

[jagged pier]

because they make comments with literally not information or context

[pallid quiver]

Especially for M+, because some people think logging M+ is a meme for whatever reason

[jagged pier]

case in point the other day someone was like warrior has no utility

so i ask what we lacked, they then listed off 3 other tank utilities

so i asked the to make it a 1 and 1 coparison not a 3 on 1 comparison

they didnt reply

[karmic plinth]

circling back to this does this look like a useful flex point or does it look like it will be overkill next season

[bleak breach]

Most people don’t try to help, they just rather abuse people instead.

Disrupting is always good

[jagged pier]

Stop 👏 making 👏 general 👏 statements 👏 if 👏 you 👏 have 👏 no 👏 idea 👏

[bleak breach]

Any key you need the interrupts

[inland raft]

I play perfectly i don’t press shield block because thats for the weak

[pallid quiver]

Heavily unlikely to be a useful point, since you should generally have enough coverage without due to your base kit and other party members. It also is only useful if multiple mobs cast at the same time

[teal swift]

but ma utility is why i failed that key, if only i was a druid

[pallid quiver]

And if the cast timings in DotI are gonna be the same as current, that's not often in two dungeons in the pool next season

[teal swift]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

[bleak breach]

You probably won’t need it, but it’s a solid choice if you want to be safe.

[pallid quiver]

There's also a potential issue of where you pull the point from just kneejerk since so many of the points in the spec tree are so good and Thunderlord's gonna gain more value to pick up for that split due to a higher count of TC casts due to tier

[karmic plinth]

yeah i reckon u drop bloodsurge for it

[bleak breach]

That’s fair, didn’t think of the thunderlords with tier

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, iirc from Nome's push key build, Bloodsurge is the only talent that can be moved at all, really, and it's a good point

[blazing condor]

i dont like off-setting SC and demo

[pallid quiver]

don't worry

Demo will be up a ridiculous amount of the time

so they should almost always align still from what I remember hearing

[sharp ruin]

yeah we will be soooooo fine with survivability

[bleak breach]

Demo barely runs out with thunderlords and a large pack

[pallid quiver]

Because IP has a 90% chance to proc Fervid, which resets TC cooldown, which ticks Demo's CD

[sharp ruin]

i mean prot warr looks very solid in 10.2 , the only issue will be the kicks required in some dungeons , for all the rest we looks so insane and i love it

[pallid quiver]

You can solo stop like every pack I can think of off the top of my head, no party help required. It only becomes an issue when you start pulling larger. And if you're pulling larger, you should have party mates that can handle pressing at least a single button on their keyboard, so

[karmic plinth]

if disrupting shout is overkill for us i imagine kicks wont be a make or break for us

[sharp ruin]

in everbloom disrupting will be so good

i was forgetting about that , in some pack this talent will be huge ,

[teal swift]

@jagged pier next season questions should be banned

Tell them to send it and run, bring log if they have problems

[sharp ruin]

man class discord is for that kind of things too , to discuss about what we all think about our class in situations 😄

[teal swift]

Not really, asking questions about unreleased content that is still getting tuning passes leads to misinformation

[sharp ruin]

is not misinformation , cause in ptr we test what we are right now looking in 10.2 and we was talking about that

that's all , u can just ignore questions if u think are not usefull for you no?

[bleak breach]

No it doesn’t, we’ve done the dungeons before. The adds still do the same thing.

Just leave people alone rather then trying to cause drama for no reason. We’re free to discuss from ptr or previous experiences in the dungeons.

[teal swift]

Wait, so you want me to not share my opinion if it doesn't agree with yours.

[sharp ruin]

yeah i want to

i love if u share your opinion with me , but not trying to let me pass like a idiot xD

[bleak breach]

It’s not even a disagreement

[teal swift]

The beautiful thing is, I can call your takes absolutely shit

[sharp ruin]

just say what u think and we can discuss together 😄

[bleak breach]

You don’t want us to speak about 10.2

[teal swift]

And continue hanging out in my shower

Soaking under the hot steamy water

[bleak breach]

Why do you need to get aggressive about it?

[teal swift]

While listening to weak takes

[tepid obsidian]

for the people who are going to be raiding as fury and m+ as prot, what gear set will you priotize fury or prot?

[bleak breach]

I’d have gear for both @tepid obsidian

[karmic plinth]

playing prot in fury gear is less troll than playing fury in prot gear

[jagged pier]

fury

[blazing condor]

yeah our secondaries dont matter

and you still stack haste(?) for fury

[tepid obsidian]

i will ultimately gear for both but i'm talkin early season

[teal swift]

Tank stats don't matter

[tepid obsidian]

so i guess answer is fury 🙂

thanks

[bleak breach]

Fury, you still stack haste

[teal swift]

Prioritize fury, craft new sword and board

Gge

[karmic plinth]

having high mastery for prot isnt the worst thing

[tardy delta]

does prot have a aoe taunt?

[jagged pier]

yes

[teal swift]

It's nothing

Your stats do not matter

[sharp ruin]

yeah and with a talent it becomes a aoe taunt/kick with 1.5 minutes cd

[teal swift]

It's all placebo

[karmic plinth]

yea i mean they dont matter at the end of the day but obvs its not our 'preferred' secondary but its not like u cant do a key bc u have too much mastery

[bleak breach]

I mean we definitely operate better with particular stats so I would say they do matter…

[tardy delta]

thanks for the info.

[teal swift]

No, I mean it doesn't matter what stats you use

Like it literally just doesn't matter

[bleak breach]

Why?

[karmic plinth]

we aren't reliant on a specific stat spread for us to be successful

[teal swift]

Can someone like @jagged pier answer this

The yellow name might give the answer more clout

Just sim your shit, it doesn't matter for defense.

[bleak breach]

No, but we do better with particular stats

[teal swift]

We do more dps with certain stats,l. Defensively it doesn't make any noticable difference. It's placebo

[karmic plinth]

we are, but we don't NEED those particular stats

[bleak breach]

I agree we don’t need any stats. But it does matter to a degree.

[jagged pier]

sorry whats going on

i have a busy day can we sum this up?

[bleak breach]

Just the stats don’t matter argument

[teal swift]

Tank secondary stat distribution

Matters for DPS output
Irrelevant for defense

[bleak breach]

Also it’s 10pm

[jagged pier]

oh right @warm plinth

there u go

highest ilvl u welcome

expect rings and neck then high haste until its 10-15ilvls higher

than its flat out better because more stats> less better stats

[teal swift]

Talking about defense not offense Jakey xD

[jagged pier]

yer same thing

[teal swift]

Just sim DPS, defense stats don't matter

[jagged pier]

literally my statement above

[teal swift]

❤️

[jagged pier]

what ever your top dps stats are u have enough stats to survive

👍

[teal swift]

Every tank discord is experiencing same thing btw

People wanting to vers cope or copy some top person of the class.

Your stats aren't what's getting you killed

[dull sleet]

No, it's obv the healers fault

[ionic fern]

If my STM is 1, and i die.

Then it's my stats fault?

[jagged pier]

i have 8% vers and do the outsie of sarc and am fine

for instance

mwahi has 3% vers or somthing

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

u can get to any lvl of vers where its helpful like in S4 bfa

because u odnt have corruptions

[sharp ruin]

i am doing 28-29 keys with 8% versa

[jagged pier]

and its the highest stat investment for 1% of the stats

[ionic fern]

So, what you're saying is that you can't do +30 keys because you only have 8% versa.

[jagged pier]

its a waste of your time to go vers

[sudden grotto]

why are you guys talking about x% of vers as if vers is a god stat to begin with

[sharp ruin]

nope i'm saying if your versa is enough to survive just go more damage 😄

[ionic fern]

Tbf, Vers is a good stat.

[jagged pier]

cause ppl still think it is

and its is if u can get to like 50% vers

[sudden grotto]

and so is crit

or mastery or haste

[jagged pier]

strength is better tho

[stuck crane]

is it still possible to get the legion hidden artifact appearance?

[sudden grotto]

no

[teal swift]

I go vers on most tanks, not because it's good, but because I like pvp and cba to get multiple sets of gear

[karmic plinth]

hidden yes challenge no

[ionic fern]

Sure. But when people read
"Reduces your damage taken by x% and increases your damage done by y%", it sounds way more appealing than
lets say haste with "Increases your haste by 2%".

[sudden grotto]

x% vers is x% vers / 2 DR , which losez a shit ton of value if u go up one key level

[ionic fern]

And in a vacuum, as a tank, you'd want consistent DR over RNG.

[sudden grotto]

let alone more

[ionic fern]

But..we don't play in a vacum.

[sudden grotto]

'rng'

because maths arent an objective science

[ionic fern]

🤦‍♂️

[sudden grotto]

indeed 🤦‍♂️

the only 'rng' u mention is chances that go closer and closer to lottery winning chances as u go up in parry/dodge/miss

meaning u won't ever feel it and if u do u wont know u did

[teal swift]

Sorites paradox... How much crit do you need to feel a difference in your dps

[rich wyvern]

I think he means that eg. haste has “rng” damage reduction bc you’re getting more procs of rage Gen etc, whereas vers is “you always take % reduced”. Not that that means vers is better, but it might be why people assume it is

[ionic fern]

Sssh, don't argue with him. Let him have his moment.

[sudden grotto]

no , pretty sure he s talking about parry/dodge/miss

[rich wyvern]

Wait, I was arguing? Mb if so

[blazing condor]

cant we all just get along

[sudden grotto]

mom, he told me im wrong therefore I'm gonna talk him down

[ionic fern]

Whatever floats your boat mate. 😂

You got a reputation in various tank discords so i'm just behaving according to it.

[sudden grotto]

wow

[blazing condor]

tea

[sudden grotto]

i d love to know bout my rep

[jagged pier]

🍵

[sudden grotto]

spill the beans

[jagged pier]

[sudden grotto]

either way such a degenerate take

[karmic plinth]

[jagged pier]

[teal swift]

My reputation, is that I'm dumb, bad at videogames, and will refute most arguments with "I'm bad"

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-mad-cat-mad-death-stare-gif-2007099240114134459

[teal swift]

But I wanna get better~

[blazing condor]

why actually get better when you can just tell urself youre the best and then use coping as to why youre still 1900 rio

[teal swift]

I'm 1951 excuse me

[blazing condor]

sry dawg

[teal swift]

Free ksm next week tho

[blazing condor]

no floppin way

[teal swift]

Yeah I just came back last week

Took break from shadowlands s2

Now I just want easy ksm for mount

[bleak breach]

Question

How did you guys become like Val’kyr, stormforged etc

[teal swift]

Being knowledgeable for years and years

[blazing condor]

long term ass licking

[teal swift]

And being well respected in the community.

[blazing condor]

jk

[karmic plinth]

u have to donate on the website

im sorry that was a joke please forgive me

[blazing condor]

b&

[karmic plinth]

😔

[bleak breach]

Like is it a day 1 thing or regular?

[teal swift]

Valkyr = mod
Stormforged = respected opinion

[blazing condor]

stormforged usually know what theyre talking about and have logs to show it

[teal swift]

No @alpine shard got promoted while I was on hiatus.

[mortal dagger]

@lament musk why didn't read #protection tday? Madge

[lament musk]

my apologies

[lavish sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-darkest-timeline-community-gif-18212973

[nimble skiff]

Any tips for this upcoming m+ week? I just tanked my first 2 keys last night so I haven't dealt with the upcoming affixes

[lavish sphinx]

The fuck did I miss

[blazing condor]

next week gonna be easy

not much as a tank to think about

[teal swift]

Just send it, what are your key goals

What are affixes next week

Aren't they bursting lul

[lavish sphinx]

Storm and Burst

[blazing condor]

you can soak away storming if it seems necessary

[nimble skiff]

Fort/ storming/ bursting

[bleak breach]

Ok thanks

[teal swift]

Time for your healer to have a stroke

Did they nerf bursting

[karmic plinth]

bursting u may want to take care with not pulling massive amounts

[teal swift]

Or is the healer going to stroke out when DPS don't know how to stop

[bleak breach]

I was just curious is all, like guilds have officers etc so was just seeing how it worked here.

[lavish sphinx]

Jokes, I heal with MD

[bleak breach]

I’ve been in here on and off for 7 years. A lot has changed.

[karmic plinth]

not next season you dont

[bleak breach]

6 years sorry, bad math.

[lavish sphinx]

Sad times indeed

I heal with Impending Victory next season

[nimble skiff]

I need to get an 18 in everything but uhhh neths lair and let me look up the other dungeon

[teal swift]

People are still nice here

[teal swift]

What for?

[nimble skiff]

KSH

[bleak breach]

Sometimes it seems

[teal swift]

Gl

[nimble skiff]

I'm 85 points away

[teal swift]

Even when people are assholes

[bleak breach]

Can be very discouraging for people trying to learn at times

[lavish sphinx]

You got this Seatbelt

[teal swift]

They are still nicer here than other discords

[bleak breach]

That’s a cop out

[lavish sphinx]

I would recommend doing a 19 or 20 in your favourite key

Over trying for 18 in all

[opaque quest]

Waaay nicer. Especially the unholy discord fkn sucks

[bleak breach]

Nelths Lair is the one to go for as prot

[nimble skiff]

I got screwed last night. I needed to time an 18 uld for 20 points and it went.... Horribly. I wasn't tanking

[bleak breach]

If you want an 18-20

Can solo last boss basically

[lavish sphinx]

First mistake was choosing ULD

[bleak breach]

Yep, ULD is horrid

[opaque quest]

Uld is super easy. You just need to kite

[nimble skiff]

I had my guilds MT, the healer just was a shitshow

[opaque quest]

If youre on EU i can help you get a key done on my DK