good thing they dont listen to everybody like you claim
#protection
chilly brook
Apb just likes to argue I guess
daring marlin
What is he saying here
toxic pewter
?
daring marlin
I don't understand what you're saying
toxic pewter
they capitulated and brought flying back for some reason
when no real point when riding is clearly the better designed system
warm plinth
Flying never went anywhere sir
daring marlin
which is why I'm confused by his assertion
toxic pewter
talking about the future at this point
daring marlin
warm plinth
how many continents we got right now
waxen frigate
You guys ever wonder what the world will be like in 5 years
warm plinth
11 continents if you count all of Shadowlands as one.
How many have dragonriding?
I'll wait for you to count
chilly brook
which is why I'm confused by his assertion
Apparently a system that already exists and wouldnāt require any changes moving forward causes Blizzard double the work if they allow people to choose between new flight or old flight
chilly brook
You guys ever wonder what the world will be like in 5 years
We getting the other side of the world at blizz con so wonāt even have to wait
warm plinth
Out of alllll of this, we have dragonriding right here in this one lil spot.
Assuming flying would not always be a part of the game is asinine.
daring marlin
Sett is omegachad
He is. I love them all, though.
sick sentinel
all 3 flying options is welcome
daring marlin
You guys ever wonder what the world will be like in 5 years
I'm more of a big picture type person myself.
sick sentinel
taxi heli and dragon
chilly brook
He is. I love them all, though.
I enjoy doing ab crunches on my enemy top laner after winning a 1v2 gank
sick sentinel
is there a way to check how many taxis i have done
warm plinth
maybe in stats?
sick sentinel
cuz, its like a million
daring marlin
Also I'm more interested in seeing what the world would be like in a thousand years.
warm plinth
Also I'm more interested in seeing what the world would be like in a thousand ye...
go watch the time machine
daring marlin
What religion will dominate. š¤
toxic pewter
O_O
chilly brook
What religion will dominate. š¤
sick sentinel
warm plinth
That seems inaccurate
toxic pewter
what u like more horde or alliance
sick sentinel
yeah, ride the taxi gryphon
cosmic wyvern
Any news on what our BiS embellishments are going to be in 10.2
strong forum
shadowflame
pallid quiver
https://i.imgur.com/dH2UgSP.png
I have a pet mage I keep around for portal abuse
cosmic wyvern
Really hope it's not just double shadowflame agaain
strong forum
and lariat once you got full sockets
cosmic wyvern
I'm FUCKING SICK OF DOUBLE SHADOWFLAME
toxic pewter
wait what happened to sporecloak
cosmic wyvern
it is double shadowflame
I am going to beat you to death
cosmic wyvern
wait what happened to sporecloak
sporecloak is cringe
sick sentinel
- versa it hink
strong forum
youre not reliably above 70%
cosmic wyvern
i was actually sort of excited to use it for a change
if you use sporecloak everyone here will laugh at you and I still haven't really figured out why
so just don't use it
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
Yeah makes sense we takin a lot of damage in these ptr dungeons if I say so
strong forum
but you need to be consistently above 70% for it to be worth
cosmic wyvern
yeah in content where the effect matters, you're never gonna be capped off for long
unless you're in raid and you don't have aggro at the moment but
at that point you don't really need the effect lmao
strong forum
well its not about needing the effect
its the fact that you get 2.5% vers when above 70% hp
so its more dmg
cosmic wyvern
but unfortunately its less dmg than the patch
cosmic wyvern
still I mean if you're not pushing cutting edge or super high keys just use whatever you want
strong forum
combined both SFs are still 4.4% dmg assuming perfect play and perfect gear
which hardly anyone will pull off
toxic pewter
oh interesting.. first raid boss drops a shield again this time...
strong forum
so SF is vastly better for most
daring marlin
any lariat enjoyers?
daring marlin
cosmic wyvern
like you can use one of the embellished shields if you really want
cosmic wyvern
it'll be ass (sad unfortunately) but again, unless you're pushing high end content it won't really matter
strong forum
well yeah that caveat always exists
cosmic wyvern
crafted items are 3ilvl lower than vault/mythic raid
3ilvl lower than mythic endboss, 99.9% of us will never see that +3 ilvl drop
strong forum
no
all
max vault and mythic raid items
are upgradable to 489
the only items who have higher ilvl are the super rare trinkets from fyrakk
everything else goes to 489
crafted items go to 486
cosmic wyvern
m+ vault from 20s is the same as mythic crafted gear
cosmic wyvern
strong forum
yes
it drops at 483 from vault
AND YOU CAN THEN UPGRADE IT
to 489
same goes for raid
toxic pewter
nice
toxic pewter
ya a +18 will give 489 right
lusty grotto
you can turn lower crests into higher ones
in the patch
and higher into lower, as it is now
so both options exist
it will never be a waste to run lower content
cosmic wyvern
I was aiming for like 15s week 1, 20s sound like they'd be possible but also would require I go do all the keys on ptr first to learn them + somehow find a stable reliable group for pushing high keys that early in the season full of people who did the same
lusty grotto
since caps exist
cosmic wyvern
and that's really not feasible
toxic pewter
wtf is this neck
cosmic wyvern
wtf is this neck
tfw no fire or nature damage as warrior š¦
strong forum
it exclusively absorbs that magic type aswell
toxic pewter
yeah weird item.. i guess trinkets can proc half of it or somethin
strong forum
its just irrelevant
toxic pewter
yeah that neck sucks ass dang
cosmic wyvern
actually shadowflame wreath does shadow+fire damage
so you could activate that one
but how many enemies in current content actually deal nature damage
strong forum
any dungeon that does poison or disease dmg
lusty grotto
tfw no fire or nature damage as warrior š¦
you mean like eranog ring? did you play s1?
cause we used UFFB specifically to proc eranog ring
toxic pewter
is eranog ring any good in 10.2
cosmic wyvern
is eranog ring any good in 10.2
I'd hope not
toxic pewter
im bring it back boiys
strong forum
is that a real question?
strong forum
it already loses to 447 socketed rings in some cases even lower
it sure as shit cant beat 489s
toxic pewter
yeah it was bad question 
toxic pewter
why
daring marlin
radiant damage is fire and holy
strong forum
we love 2.5khps absorb shield to specific dmg schools!!
toxic pewter
dont paladins do some sort of holy fire damage these days
ok right
do brewmasters do any nature damage
cuz i know they do fire
lusty grotto
shamans/rogues
cosmic wyvern
do brewmasters do any nature damage
one of their beer attacks might?
beer is kinda nature right
toxic pewter
exploding keg is fire iirc
i think their resonant fists is nature
now that I think about it
waxen frigate
do brewmasters do any nature damage
Yes a significant amount
RJW is nature and thatās basically constant
toxic pewter
Oh ya thatās right
toxic pewter
Whatās pta
waxen frigate
Press the advantage
toxic pewter
Oh new thing
waxen frigate
The bottom right
toxic pewter
Right
waxen frigate
Passive
toxic pewter
Wait do people not play that
waxen frigate
People do
Itās not good though
Itās super buggy, turbo gimps your single target, and makes the spec play very cringe imo
But the last part is just personal opinion
People play it bc they like the passive option
toxic pewter
Do people play the new defensive passives they added
For the magic damage and the dodge
toxic pewter
Interesting
hardy snow
it already loses to 447 socketed rings in some cases even lower
its still better for ST, but only slightly so higher ilvl in 10.2 will finally allow me to get rid of it
toxic pewter
Kinda wild thereās no live q&a at blizzcon
jagged gust
Is there a WA for tracking bombs on Zskarn?
bleak breach
Iād love to watch you in live Q&A for blizzcon apb
bleak breach
Is there a WA for tracking bombs on Zskarn?
What do you mean? Thereās dbm and bigwigs timers and a big animation of him throwing them
In the liquid WA pack it shows how many bomb debuffs you have
jagged gust
Does it also show the current bombs on the floor?
bleak breach
Not sure to be honest, Iāve never taken that much notice. The Liquid WA pack and anchor pack is definitely the best packs to run for mythic though.
jagged gust
I'm fairly certain that's what I'm using, at least I think I got all my WA's from their site
I just want an easy way to call them out and not have to scout constantly
toxic pewter
Iād love to watch you in live Q&A for blizzcon apb
I am red shirt guy lol jk
bleak breach
Probably a hard fight to RL as tank
Ideally you want a rdps because they can see where the bombs go
jagged gust
Yeah but we're uh... Limited in our options
Some real wild west bullshit going on in our ranks
bleak breach
I am red shirt guy lol jk
Not sure what that means haha
toxic pewter
Not sure what that means haha
Oh heās a guy who would ask a question at every blizzcon he always wore a red shirt
Usually about some intricate lore detail or issue lmao
jagged gust
Is that the one who got added as an npc in the wildheart outpost?
or w/e those dwarves were called
toxic pewter
Is that the one who got added as an npc in the wildheart outpost?
You called it
toxic pewter
Whoa buddy he just died no need to immediately say he was on drugs
teal swift
He drowned in a hot tub
Either he had a stroke or he was on something, or some other option I'm not seeing
toxic pewter
? People drown all the time. Itās just tragic death
teal swift
Not in hot tubs
Pretty sure the number of people drowning in hot tubs ... Are astronomically low
It's not like he went swimming in a pool or the ocean
toxic pewter
People have drowned in bath tubs
Either way the hot tub he had is quite large looking based on his last Instagram post
toxic pewter
Plus they mentioned cardiac arrest so itās possible he even have a heart attack
teal swift
That's half the rate of reported shark attacks
teal swift
Plus they mentioned cardiac arrest so itās possible he even have a heart attack
Fair fair
toxic pewter
Not sure if it was heart first or drown first
teal swift
All I saw was "guy drowned in hot tub" if it was a cardiac arrest, a fall
toxic pewter
Prob heart
teal swift
A stroke, an OD
Then ye, just randomly drowning in hot tub is about as half as likely as being attacked by a shark :/
toxic pewter
Could have even been from heat related. If you are in hot water too long it can kill you
teal swift
Yeah, they just used language like apparent drowning.
So when the entire set of details is released
It will make more sense
Still rip Mathew Perry š¦
Veronica must be devestated
brave citrus
He just got back from pickleball. Could be just a heart attack
waxen frigate
Either he had a stroke or he was on something, or some other option I'm not seei...
Apparently hot tubs can trigger underlying heart conditions
Which i believe he was known to have
Hot tubs/saunas/baths, anything where you canāt effectively release heat via sweating
So probably a heart attack that led to drowning
brave citrus
Plus he had the rough patch, so his health may not have been super already
daring marlin
F in the chat for a real one
toxic pewter
F
strong forum
Woah nish gained 2io
toxic pewter
lol
waxen frigate
Real
strong forum
You missed my yellow name arc
Musta been a short one
waxen frigate
Idk what they even did I think silm just edited a screenshot
warm plinth
RIP Matthew Perry
daring marlin
yup
cerulean tusk
I prefed the 3999io PWarr AMA guy, he knew what was up. This 4k guy comes with weird takes. Bring back 3999 guy.
warm plinth
4k is just elitist tbh
jagged gust
wow they really draw everyone the exact same way dont they
daring marlin
ā
lusty grotto
LMAO
daring marlin
Morde is the best character in League anyway.
cursive prawn
is your pic some sort of cross between Vi and Silco from Arcane?
You just made me remember Arcaneās finale
daring marlin
You just made me remember Arcaneās finale
We need season 2 like
last year frankly
jagged gust
it drops in 2024 doesnt it?
cursive prawn
Iām not even a league fan and walked into it with low expectations
Was blown away
daring marlin
exactly
jagged gust
I started watching it because mortdog was like "This show is the shiznit"
daring marlin
I tell all my friends to watch it too "but I don't even like League". WELL DO IT ANYWAY
jagged gust
and it indeed, was the shiznit
But the first like 2 episodes were a real slog for me
lusty grotto
im a dota2 guy and i watched and liked it
jagged gust
I get that they needed to set up the story but the kids part of it, at least until the final bit was boring to me
daring marlin
š
jagged gust
I never even gave that one a chance
lusty grotto
those same people did the dota show too
toxic pewter
Yah I enjoyed dota show I think I only saw first season though
It was about dragon knight right
if I recall correctly
lusty grotto
yea
cursive prawn
Blood of Zeus was also good
lusty grotto
mirana is also on it
jagged gust
castlevania blew me away with that invasion episode early on, like episode 1 or 2
cursive prawn
Check that out if you enjoyed castlevania
toxic pewter
Blood of Zeus was also good
Oh snap I really liked that one too
I wonder if they ever make a second season of it
cursive prawn
I hope so
jagged gust
you guys watch vinland saga? tiktok kept showing me clips for a while, seemed pretty good
toxic pewter
Never heard of that one
cursive prawn
Me neither
cerulean tusk
It had a decent last season. First episodes of S1 was fun. Rest was pretty meh?
Worth a watch if you are bored. But far from Arcane levels of entertainment 
jagged gust
Not likely, im still 2 disney shows, 2 hbo series and probably 3 more im forgetting about behind lol
jagged gust
Ive been meaning to smoke some cheeba cheeba and watch it
warm plinth
lusty grotto
toxic
warm plinth
that was me to Luerce
warm plinth
we're on alliance rn
lusty grotto
dang
honestly i need to swap a couple of my toons over
thinking druid goes alliance
feelsbad only chip is the alliance guy
well 2 of my rogues are alliance but i gotta level them
pallid quiver
I had to make Alliance characters specifically to play with Alliance people
that's why i now have two wars
I also love how the thing I mentioned in here earlier today about specing into Berserker Rage for WotLK bit me in the ass tonight because I didn't do it.
that's karma right there
jagged pier
u dont spec into it in wotlk u just have it
lusty grotto
he means timewalking
but honestly the fears are avoidable except for the dumb nexus faction boss
lusty grotto
on zuania i was just pulling half of it and dragged boss to the entrance
pallid quiver
That's what I had to do until I got it
pallid quiver
I swap SB
lusty grotto
its only tw anyway
blazing condor
I also love how the thing I mentioned in here earlier today about specing into B...
Told you
Shits ass
pallid quiver
i didn't do it because I'm levelling this second war and i really couldn't fit it
i was busy trying to grab things like blood and thunder and reinforced plates
teal swift
ready for rat keys or aberrus
Looks like a turducken
teal swift
ready for rat keys or aberrus
What addon is that for the dailies in the top xorner
lusty grotto
its a wa
teal swift
you dont like mage tower vengeance glaives?
I kinda like the hidden legion appearance
lusty grotto
tamas
teal swift
They look like fists kinda
lusty grotto
you mean this lvl 45 guy?
teal swift
I only got cm mop armor
On rogue
And bdk
Never got mage tower
Respect for you and your affinity for orcs
I like vulpera xD
lusty grotto
those are the only orcs
my warrior was human in vanilla, then orc in WoD up until this season where i swapped to dwarf
teal swift
DID is pretty pog too
I just play the race that makes me happy
And for me that's vulpera on everything that can be vulpera xD
lusty grotto
well i wanted to go back to alliance anyway, but my guild swapped in WoD so we were stuck like that until they put in cross faction guilds this season
i almost did it in SL S4 but
since no cross faction guilds
i was like meh ill wait
analog solar
If I wanna run Shockwave with both sub-talents, how much of a bad decision is it, compared to running roar with both sub-talents?
sweet summit
you night as well unequip weapon bruv
analog solar
I was hoping for "The differnece is not that big"
sweet summit
it's pretty fuck bad, can sim the difference
teal swift
you night as well unequip weapon bruv
Cool c: ily erga
sweet summit
sick sentinel
straight out of 2004 (2006 i think, theres an ad for2007 car) wow review made for tv
dusky canopy
ready for rat keys or aberrus
ahaha I'm doing the same on my 403 dk xD
normal rampart
straight out of 2004 (2006 i think, theres an ad for2007 car) wow review made fo...
Oh dang that commercial for collins college. I actually went there and they shut down because they were so shit, was a terrible experience
ivory elbow
is there a settings on plater where i can enable so i can see who the mobs is casting on
strong forum
Uuuh, probably more a script than a setting
grand veldt
I was hoping for "The differnece is not that big"
Its not as bad as you think but the bad part is you use Shockwave as a dps talent instead of a stop which negates the entire point of grabbing it
So it's like less dps and you use a stop very poorly on cd
waxen orbit
Is there an aura to track for the new tier/a WA for it?
I like to have clear WeakAuras of all of my data centralized on my screen just because of how I intake information
strong forum
pins
chilly brook
Do you actually need a WA for the set?
blissful iris
ima just set it and forget it yep
chilly brook
Seems fairly simple no?
blissful iris
literally just shield slam things
strong forum
being aware that your next shield slam resets TC and that rend isnt present on your current target is very helpful
it also helps you with not oversending IP
because if you have a proc ready you kinda dont wanna send IP
copper lion
does anybody know how to get the PTR MDT?
strong forum
scroll all they way down
toxic pewter
IP has a 90% proc rate of the tier set
strong forum
does anybody know how to get the PTR MDT?
doesnt exist
toxic pewter
so the wa is def helpful
copper lion
doesnt exist
iI saw Nnoggie from Echo playing with it on Stream???
toxic pewter
lol
copper lion
damn
strong forum
you can maybe get a beta version of it
copper lion
how
strong forum
but i dont think theres a released version of it
copper lion
I saw curseforge and it doesn't have a beta there
toxic pewter
I mean it will be released when the patch comes dont really need it for ptr anyway
strong forum
the dungeons are hold W anyway
the only dungeon where you can do any route is WCM and Everbloom to a small degree
everything else is literally just hold W
and Atal is just the same as BFA
and BFA MDT already exists
like doing routes for s3 keys are a massive meme unless youll want to push WF keys
waxen orbit
I miss SL routing
chilly brook
being aware that your next shield slam resets TC and that rend isnt present on y...
Maybe Iām just really used to paying attention to rend as an arms player
strong forum
i have it blacklisted on my plater and stuff
same with deepwounds
cuz wasnt relevant until 10.2 on prot
but i can guarantee you, having the actual feedback of having your next SS proc reset TC and consume bleed
is very helping
toxic pewter
your IP/SS macro is doing great work also with this new tier set lol, it seems to work well with this tier
strong forum
yessir
toxic pewter
highly recommend everyone to use it
with the WA
might be a dumb question, but how do you view a full fervid proc SS fitting into the rotation.. should I send it before a shield charge or ravager for example if they both are available at the same time (I realize its like 1 global difference in some cases and prob does not matter in big picture)
like just how important is it to get the tier proc off in s3, it seems really strong to prio is pretty highly
strong forum
i can play around in APL i guess
lemme check if theres dps to be gained if we prio fervid proc SS over CDs
toxic pewter
I feel like i still will want to hit CDs over it but the timing for the fervid is so fast paced sometimes its like I want to keep it rolling for my next fervid O_O
strong forum
seems like putting SS after TR is a 250dps gain
actions+=/ravager actions+=/demoralizing_shout,if=talent.booming_voice.enabled actions+=/spear_of_bastion actions+=/thunderous_roar actions+=/shield_slam,if=buff.fervid.up actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.sonic_boom.enabled&buff.avatar.up&talent.unstoppable_force.enabled&!talent.rumbling_earth.enabled|talent.sonic_boom.enabled&talent.rumbling_earth.enabled&spell_targets.shockwave>=3 actions+=/shield_charge
toxic pewter
that makes sense cuz fervid procs the TR bleed
waxen orbit
So Idk if Details is busted but like
Cataclysmic Signet is doing about as much damage as Sidearm on my overall
strong forum
it needs 15 stacks
before it goes absolutely insanity dmg
if you dont keep it at 15 stacks its shit
waxen orbit
Is there a method to keeping it at 15 stacks?
strong forum
if you can maintain 15 stacks of it, it does like 12k dps
yeah by staying in combat
waxen orbit
Weird I figured that was what it was
May have just been because our group wiped like 5 times testing shit
strong forum
well yeha
waxen orbit
strong forum
that doesnt help whatsoever
takes like 3min to stack to full
and then it goes brr
waxen orbit
Got it so def a raid trinket, more like a meme key trinket in M+
strong forum
in raid you need long fights
if the fights are short, other trinkets win
if the fights are long, its just gonna go insanity
waxen orbit
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Lapping Annihilating Flame
Okay I'm gonna go Everbloom next and see how sicko this goes
toxic pewter
wish it was 30 seconds and not 15 seconds.. one of the more punishing trinkets if it falls off even once
chilly brook
wish it was 30 seconds and not 15 seconds.. one of the more punishing trinkets i...
Itās no different than anvil
Anvil is 15 seconds as well
toxic pewter
well with anvil could at least extend it with the on use
chilly brook
But 15 seconds is a long time to go without pulling something
toxic pewter
I mean certain dungeons can suck.. black rook hold for instance with the winding staircases
dodging those boulders and shit.. may drop off there
chilly brook
Tbh just drag a mob in combat up the stairs
strong forum
youre guaranteed to lose it after 1st boss in BRH unless you grab yellow mobs i guess and spam taunt
toxic pewter
yeah
strong forum
will also lose it after 2nd boss
unless you have toy
yeah BRH is just not a good dungeon for it
theres like 3 sections
chilly brook
Most dungeons arenāt BrH tho
toxic pewter
what toy is good for combat is it that critter toy
strong forum
yeye
strong forum
what toy is good for combat is it that critter toy
cursed doll
toxic pewter
ok
toxic pewter
is that the name of it i dont seem to have that one
strong forum
worn doll?
strong forum
rogue and boomkin go just as hard
toxic pewter
could we actually see assassination rogue be meta for once or outlaw/sub still what they doin
chilly brook
Enhance prolly go brrr ye?
chilly brook
Just saying that based off their sims
strong forum
wouldnt look too closely at sims yet
chilly brook
But good st sims donāt always translate to good aoe either
toxic pewter
dang
strong forum
like rogue is turbo broken dont let the dps propaganda tell you otherwise
fucking aoe blind applies 30% DR for 6sec on the targets
a dps that has a fucking external for the tank
toxic pewter
O_O
strong forum
:))
toxic pewter
that better than rally
strong forum
basically
like rogue is absolutely turbo nut
altho i dont think that blind DR works on bosses
so useless there
toxic pewter
seems really strong in m+ thats for sure every 1 minute can use it also
from what i gather
why the give rogues even more group utility like wat the fuk is going on here O_O
toxic pewter
no group can not have a rogue this season
strong forum
wouldnt go that far
toxic pewter
fair enough
lusty tiger
Aug op
lusty tiger
Yeehaw
strong forum
as it stands right now
but you have 3-4 tanks
4 dps
and 3-4 healers
that are all very good
lusty tiger
What healers?
strong forum
disc hpal prevoker/rdruid
lusty tiger
Word
toxic pewter
I guess arms meta is not gonna happen cannot conceive of any situation where warr dps is even thought about being considered
even with legendary.. still brings nothing of great value
grim pilot
fucking aoe blind applies 30% DR for 6sec on the targets
aint no fucking way that's a thing
XD
that sounds turbo giga broken
strong forum
jagged pier
grim pilot
xD
grim pilot
yeah rogue is LOCKED in the meta
strong forum
havoc is the danger!
everybody is complaining about omg havoc
to divert attention away from rogues
sudden grotto
fucking aoe blind applies 30% DR for 6sec on the targets
wait wym
is it part of the talent?
strong forum
they gain a talent they can pick instead of tricks, where blind applies a 30% DR for 6sec
strong forum
sudden grotto
oh it's baseline tree
they changed it
i only saw the very first tree they made
that's so fucking broken wtf
sudden grotto
yea
when i saw it it was like
stun aoe
blind aoe for another spec or wtv
it was weird
then they capped i think outlaw again
hardy snow
it sounds like PvP talent
sick sentinel
6 seconds is a tiny window but the amount is good
the amount of the effect % this is
toxic pewter
its just wild they have a 6 sec 30% dr on a 1 minute cd... meanwhile rally 10% max hp for 10 seconds on a 3 minute cd. Like what world is that appropriately balanced?
sick sentinel
okay, so, sap required stealth right and you have to be out of combat
and its after the blind or sap fades from the target
so you only get 1 from sap max, and then blind is single target as well
and blind is some sort of cd more than 30 seconds at the very least
toxic pewter
yeah the blind duration is 30 seconds, true, but it will apply if the blind is broken which will occur instantly
sick sentinel
so, its a tiny window, hardly any uptime %, its more about you have to use it at the correct timing for it to be "good"
strong forum
yeah doesnt work on CC immune targets
sick sentinel
yeah, thats what im getting at
strong forum
still broken af for large pulls
sick sentinel
most mobs you can sap and blind anyways, wont have meaningful healing on them
it will be good for certain boss adds
it will be good for casters CC general on trash
but it wont be amazing
i've tempered my expectation personally
pallid quiver
Have sims or any other efforts shown how big of a difference there is between Augury and Rageheart, Nome? I'm trying to think of which I should aim to get, because I wager in pugs it'd be easier to roll for Rageheart since I'm guessing you can only roll it in tank spec
sick sentinel
it would be good for MDI
it would be good for 25 keys
i have zero hopes of doing either
negative even
strong forum
Have sims or any other efforts shown how big of a difference there is between Au...
shouldnt be that large, and gotta remember augury is rppm
diff is 1.2k aka 0.7% dps in favour of augury sim wise
i think season
actually...
i think we did have sparks in pre-season didnt we?
in 10.0
cuz i remember people grinding renown
for that early upgrade
yea
sounds plausible atleast
toxic pewter
full spark week 1 of patch
this is guide for help with upgrading and crap if anyone want
strong forum
The current conversion rates are 90 lower Crests -> 15 upper Crests, (Updated Oct 23) however, Blizzard has decided to make this count against the upper cap making this trade up completely useless for us.
thats so pointless
š
or well
i guess not entirely pointless
cuz if you do heroic raid you can still convert those crests into mythic ones
so you dont have to spam 17+ for crests itself
toxic pewter
as far as I can tell dont need enchanters to make profession gear.. nice lol
tired of having to track down enchanters and crap for that
trim pumice
yeah no clue why the upgrade counts against cap, literally one per week isnāt going to break the game
toxic pewter
its probably to prevent degenerate behavior
uneven mason
as far as I can tell dont need enchanters to make profession gear.. nice lol
Best Change ever
toxic pewter
yah as far as I can tell will cost 60 crests and buy from some vendor
still will need prof to craft the item, obviously
uneven mason
Because the fact I had to track down some enchanter to use my blacksmithing
Was fucking obnoxious
toxic pewter
yep, just was annoying buying the mats and crap too
plus everyone expects a tip lmao
warm plinth
Oh no, they want gold for the work they do? Weird!
warm plinth
Except it's not actually a tip. It's you deciding to pay for the item that is otherwise free.
warm plinth
When's the last time someone charged an actual fee for a crest
toxic pewter
thats my point
warm plinth
They say tip whatever right?
toxic pewter
right
so there is no expectation whatsoever
tipping 0 is just as moral as tipping a million
in that situation
warm plinth
Sure, if you're a cheap ass who wasn't raised to be grateful
toxic pewter
lol, right, that judgment portion is the crux of the debate
not the act of tipping itself
warm plinth
No because we aren't talking about adding on to an already existing charge.
toxic pewter
the existing charge is a fee... there is a moral obligation to pay that
warm plinth
I am aware of what a fee is.
And like I said, when was the last time someone actually charged a fee for a crest
toxic pewter
people do charge fees sometimes
but mostly it is free
with any tip appreciated
prob 95% free
warm plinth
Regardless, in the sense that it is free, you're bitching about "expecting a tip"
But you just said there was no expectation. So which is it?
toxic pewter
i am not sure I follow
toxic pewter
There is an expectation, sure, but there is requirement
warm plinth
Right, there is no requirement. If you don't want to tip, you don't have to. Which makes it super weird to complain about people expecting a tip doesn't it?
toxic pewter
It is more weird that the sellers act like it is a requirement when they are actually really expecting it.. they should just charge a fee
I have seen it time and time again
warm plinth
If you come across the rare enchanter who charges a fee for their crests
What would you do
Because I know what pretty much every person I know would do
toxic pewter
well supply and demand dictates my actions of course
cannot get around effective laws of economics, lol
toxic pewter
wat u mean
warm plinth
If you asked for a crest, and an enchanter whispered you e.g. 1k for crest
hazy bronze
Do you like Milton Friedman?
warm plinth
Are you getting a crest from them?
toxic pewter
If you asked for a crest, and an enchanter whispered you e.g. 1k for crest
I actually have paid for crests in that way before
I have tipped 1k for crests even
warm plinth
So then again, is it not super weird for one of your complaints to be the expectation of a tip?
toxic pewter
I accept the situation revolving around the 'expectation of the tip'
the real conversation is about the morality of the judgment portion of tipping and tipping culture
warm plinth
Except, it's a tip in name only in this context
Because in the real world, a tip is an extra amount of money on top of an already existing fee.
toxic pewter
There is an existing fee in the wow situation also
warm plinth
In WoW, the tip we're talking about is you volunteering to give something for a product instead of nothing.
toxic pewter
that fee is $0
warm plinth
You realize that zero is literally the absence of something
warm plinth
So if I have zero dollars, I have money?
toxic pewter
you have zero dollars, yes you have zero amount of money
warm plinth
what
spark flax
toxic pewter
the concept of money encompasses all numbers/numerals
toxic pewter
what you mean
money is a concept
can you not conceptualize a zero amount of money
strong forum
whats with this pseudo philosophic convo here
toxic pewter
tipping culture argument
warm plinth
No, no it is not.
hazy bronze
can you not conceptualize a zero amount of money
Zero isn't irrational
bleak breach
apb you always brighten up my day when I open discord
jagged gust
APB sounding like one of those people who tips the server with their fedora
uneven mason
Why don't we have a fedora emoji
pallid quiver
diff is 1.2k aka 0.7% dps in favour of augury sim wise
Thanks boss, you're a legend
strong forum
augury simming well is basically the same story as with forgestorm
it can be really fucking good
or really fucking bad
cuz rppm
pallid quiver
Got it, it's really fucking bad. :L
pallid quiver
rppm is a hell of drug when it exists
strong forum
im not a fan of it
i will aim to get augury, but getting fyrakk and signet is prio
and pray to the lords that they role lock fyrakk
pallid quiver
I'm gonna be aiming to even get to fyrakk in the first place
No guild life 100% raid pugs is how it goes
If they don't role lock Fyrack, that'd be wild to me
strong forum
cuz at this point every healer, alot of dps and every tank will want it to a certain degree
pallid quiver
but i guess it is in fact still useful to most people
Should at least be melee only, so there's that
strong forum
its straight up the new beacon except it also gives DPS and Healers basically an immunity for 20sec on a 1.5min CD
hardy snow
how it makes them immune?
strong forum
its an 800k shield
(which does remove itself by 80% through self dmg)
but for dps this is still massive
cuz its not a big dps loss to run
pallid quiver
You can also just tank a massive mechanic, and then heal off the self damage
since the removal is over like 10 seconds
strong forum
its basically stagger
pallid quiver
^^^
hardy snow
so its only 160k shield 
pallid quiver
It's also only a 1.5 min CD, so it'd be mega useful
strong forum
and it loses 100k every 2 seconds for 10 seconds
pallid quiver
unless they've changed that part on me
strong forum
1.5min CD, 20sec shield 10sec selfdmg+dmg output
pallid quiver
Yeah, about what I remember
strong forum
- permanent passive uncapped dmg proc
pallid quiver
I haven't kept up with all the tuning, so I only really know the general effects
toxic pewter
I want the heart trinket myself, I just enjoy that feeling of having almost like an immolation aura where I just do continual damage, that is actually fun to me
fickle ingot
Why do we not stay in defensive stance if tank dam doesnāt matter?
Kinda weird if you ask me
toxic pewter
who says tank dam doesn't matter?
fickle ingot
People
toxic pewter
those people are incorrect
pallid quiver
Why do we not stay in defensive stance if tank dam doesnāt matter?
tank dam is dam
fickle ingot
@oblique garnet does tank dam matter
pallid quiver
The only reason people shit on tank dam is because they're insecure about the fact they're getting out DPS'd by tanks
there's more reasons, but they're all incorrect ways of looking at the game
fickle ingot
LOL
jagged gust
Imagine seeing a tank pulling 35k DPS, realize they're capable of more than double that damage ST
Now imagine seeing a DPS pull 80k DPS when they could be doing 120
It's the same thing
fickle ingot
perhaps
jagged gust
Doing 5% less damage would be like coming to raid with zero enchants, it's just silly
hardy snow
tank is just dps with different mechanics 
hardy snow
What if I said tank dam in raid doesnāt matter
wrong
pallid quiver
dam is still dam
hardy snow
ive seen to many ~0.1-0.2% wipes with tank doing 20-30k less dps than he could, thus causing lack of kill
pallid quiver
And it matters more in raid because aggro is tied to damage, so if you have tank A pulling 20k, and tank B pulling 60k,
pallid quiver
š²
jagged gust
ive seen to many ~0.1-0.2% wipes with tank doing 20-30k less dps than he could, ...
Progging mythic Kaz, wiping at 1% and seeing a bdk doing 45k was this season's Vietnam for me
Mythic Kaz really was some bs this tier
hardy snow
also currently for most tanks good offense also means good deffense
bleak breach
Tank damage 100% matters
Iād say in 99% of cases too, the best tanks are doing the most damage. You donāt really have to give up defensive ability to do damage, itās just the better players do more. Normally the more damage Iām doing, the more ip Iām using and rage Iām generating.
uneven mason
Tanks are more or less designed in DF that optimized offensive play = optimized defensive play
bleak breach
Mythic Kaz really was some bs this tier
Yeah, was a nasty 1st boss.
final mist
Tank damage has always mattered
Healer damage too
People just like to give passes because tanks and healers are harder to come by
lusty grotto
finally got arfus!
toxic pewter
grats
uneven mason
Healer damage too
Wtb more baller healers, I abhor healers who just sit on their ass when there's nothing to heal, or sits there and overheals me by 90%
toxic pewter
do u got mount
cerulean tusk
As a BDK, that goes for all healers
final mist
uhm ackually excuse you, we don't pay their subs
lusty grotto
yeha i got it way back
final mist
uneven mason
do u got mount
Mount low-res irrelevant, Arfus is everything
final mist
"I play HEALER to HEAL, NOT to DPS"
cerulean tusk
Argus?
lusty grotto
arfus
toxic pewter
Mount low-res irrelevant, Arfus is everything
lol fair enough yeah I never use my mount
uneven mason
Auto correct
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
Argus is on your autocorrect list?
toxic pewter
meanwhile arfus lays down all cute like and my Troll lays down on his side looks like im holding my boy
uneven mason
<:critcake:984549832511344640> Argus is on your autocorrect list?
Reminiscencing of the good days of 200million degen crit blocks, ya
cerulean tusk
execute
toxic pewter
ngl, removing the rage refund from execute may actually be my least favorite DF design decision blizzard did in the entire xpac
raw sundial
Any good prot warrior from legion ? Have some questions about high m+ keys
teal swift
Why legion 
And how high are you talking
raw sundial
I dunno is it forbidden to discuss pservers here
cerulean tusk
Is self sufficient
Gz on dropping the sprout, how long till it is reintroduced? 
hardy snow
Is self sufficient
good luck being self sufficient as prot warrior on mythic zskarn or experiments
teal swift
Okay fair, but I'm mainly talking. About mythic plush not scripted content
teal swift
Idk, let's move on to the actual point instead of some dumb things I'm getting wrong
cerulean tusk
I dunno is it forbidden to discuss pservers here
It is frowned upon, but you can try in #off-topic
teal swift
All 6 tanks need minimal maintenance from healers in m+ ^^
cerulean tusk
water is wet
teal swift
water is wet
Maybe
raw sundial
7.3.5 talents but no extra traits on weapon
raw sundial
Well we have t19
lusty grotto
yes but its not that tier's patch
raw sundial
Wdym in dumb I guess
lusty grotto
im currently doing a key, but whats your specific question
raw sundial
Iām looking for procs and cons of prot warrior in this stage of legion ,and how can I avoid some troubles by selecting specific team
Yeah but on 20+ I canāt make big pills cuz Iām simply dying
bleak breach
Prot warrior was great in legion
strong forum
i was ultra casual in legion i dont remember alot
raw sundial
giving +5 rage on auto attack
True ,itās awesome
strong forum
yeah like devastator is hardlocked
warbringer with intervene stun was also really broken iirc
teal swift
i was ultra casual in legion i dont remember alot
I remember class halls and sky hold
raw sundial
Also safeguard gives 30% of damage taken by target transferred 2 you
Skyhold looks solid in comparison with others class halls
strong forum
warbringer
safeguard
renewed fury
boundingstride/crackling thunder
devastator
and then im kinda lost on what to pick
prolly booming voice?
raw sundial
Ye,taking booming voice and anger management
But the main problem personally I have is big pulls
raw sundial
If I run through mobs on haste potion I simply die
strong forum
gathering mobs is always the most dangerous for tanks
if you can afford it dont skimp out on using shieldwall
aim to get SB up to not get drive byed when gathering mobs and obv aim your front to them
im just throwing random shit out here dunno how good/experienced you are/arent
bleak breach
Sb is always useful
strong forum
i think the legendaries you wanna run are mannoroth bracers and kakushans or thundergods vigor
bleak breach
Not ca. be
raw sundial
Cuz u run on them ,they aggro and hit u in front
strong forum
well yeah thats the whole plan
not having SB up will just slap you hard
you always want SB up when tanking mobs
sure IP is 90% absorb
but SB is still to be kept up
especially for the AM checks in legion
final mist
im reading your guide
strong forum
hes playing legion pserver
asking for advice in muh+
and i was ultra cashul back then
final mist
bracers
raw sundial
Yeah wanna push high m+
raw sundial
What about big pulls ?
strong forum
yeah instead of avatar
raw sundial
Bc?
strong forum
battlecry
final mist
Battle Cry
raw sundial
Yea
strong forum
idk what to specifically say about large pulls, never turn your back to enemies
keep up SB
use your defensives, especially demo shout when playing belt freely
dont overcap rage
raw sundial
Yeah I never used sb on big pulls right
final mist
ya DS isn't a defensive in legion m+
strong forum
your t19 tierset literally relies on SB being up
strong forum
ya DS isn't a defensive in legion m+
is not?
final mist
you just hit it on CD on trash since its CD is so low
final mist
Uhh depending on what tier you have access to
raw sundial
Usually just pressed speed potion and went on them using thunder clap
We re in nh atm
final mist
im ena yeah you still want to maintain SB so you dont get trucked
strong forum
SB is vital
raw sundial
7.3.5 talents no extra traits Iām
raw sundial
Yeah but didnāt even had a thing to use it with speeed potion
Will definitely try
Also I can give up like
Some defs
During run
strong forum
if youre about to pull several packs, just send SW whilst gathering
if you actually can get hit
AM will get you SW back early enough
raw sundial
True
strong forum
id prolly open by popping speedpot
outside of combat
then charge into 1st pack generate rage for SB and then keep speeding to the other packs
and heroic leap back to your beginning when youve gathered all the packs you want
raw sundial
Good call actually to save leap to come where in all started
But is it like
I mean gamestyle
U gave alll ur bursts
And start kite
strong forum
in ultra keys yes
but dunno if thats already the case in +20
legion tanking was stupid in that regard
strong forum
raw sundial
I have thunder clap with 50% reducing ms
raw sundial
Hm