protection

[strong forum]

only uses SB

2.3times per minute

when he should use it close to 5

thats why his block uptime is shit

[lusty tiger]

also RIP SS damage

[strong forum]

his CPM are also fucked

SS is too low

[lusty grotto]

bro hes rage starved for this long

[lusty tiger]

🔫

[strong forum]

only 3 last stand

[vocal flame]

Don’t like shockwave?

[strong forum]

in 5min45

when it should be closer to 6 last stands

this man just doesnt press buttons

only 2 shield walls

when he couldve used like 6

[frosty spindle]

Oook

[lusty grotto]

with that few casts of shield slam...

hes using barbaric training

idk man

[jagged pier]

i dont like the fact hes using BT and using instegate and wasting like 20% of his rage

[lusty grotto]

ah shit hes using instigate

yeah he needs a l2p check

[strong forum]

also only 2 beacons

[frosty spindle]

But is this possible? This log is from another warrior

[strong forum]

when he could have 3 or 4

[lusty grotto]

yes

youre seeing it, so its possible

[strong forum]

yes, by just pressing SB more often

this 3 there

means hes only dropped SB 3 times

and had to reapply it

[frosty spindle]

Ahhhh

[strong forum]

if you keep the same buff going

it doesnt show up as additional cast there

[frosty spindle]

Ok

[strong forum]

this

should look like this

CPM stands for casts per minute

2.3 on SB

is 2.7 too little

it should be around 5

[frosty spindle]

Ok ok was me looking bad the thing so about that

Can I ask for a recap of the thing so I can share all this to him?

Get rid of that talent ASAP

[lusty grotto]

yes and instigate needs to be changed as well

[strong forum]

to summarize:

• press shield slam more
• stop playing barbaric training
• use outburst on shield slam
• use shield block more often
• use last stand on cooldown, make use of your tierset
• start playing unnerving focus instead of instigate
• when youre at 60-80 rage, just press ignore pain, youre overcappign way too much rage wasting it

[frosty spindle]

You guys are the best!

[lusty grotto]

no you are

[frosty spindle]

Thanks so much

[lusty grotto]

[frosty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-youre-the-best-smiling-gif-14494445

[lusty grotto]

[cosmic wyvern]

I know prot is gonna be pretty decent next tier but god fury and arms both look like they're gonna be miserable to play

really hope there's never a point where I have to go dps for even a single moment

[cosmic wyvern]

wait I'm SUPPOSED to be using unnerving focus? All the guides said not to, I thought me using it just because i like it was cringe

[strong forum]

?

in raid you do use it

its massive dmg gain

you have LS every minute for 15seconds

[cosmic wyvern]

unnerving focus is the one that increases rage gen during last stand right

honestly I'm gonna miss all the last stand shit next tier

I know next tier's set is a lot better but I like having last stand as an effective frequent CD, and it actually being usable offensively is nice

[strong forum]

Yeah it was a nice flashback to SL

To be using LS offensively again

[cosmic wyvern]

kinda lame that with next tier set we're gonna be going back to our S1 build mostly

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[cosmic wyvern]

wish they'd just buff LS and it's respective talents so we could use this type of build without having to rely on tier set buffs

[strong forum]

Main issue is positioning of bolster

It costs an extra talent point to get

That makes us lose other, more valuable talents

[cosmic wyvern]

honestly I could live without the shield charge capstones if they added the shield slam cd reduction on last stand to bolster

[strong forum]

Shield charge is useless without it's cap stones

So if you get rid of those, you might aswell get rid of SC all together

[cosmic wyvern]

well honestly that's kinda bad design

fuck it I could live without SC all together if it meant being able to have the LS bonuses we have with the tier set

[lusty grotto]

thats a hot take

but it will never be so it is what it is

[strong forum]

like if you were to make a non-SC capstone build

[cosmic wyvern]

at the very LEAST make anger management affect last stand

[strong forum]

youd play this

[lusty grotto]

affect last stand again

yeah that aint happening

[strong forum]

could also opt to remove SoF for even more turtle

[cosmic wyvern]

prot is already in the gutter man I don't think it'd be too OP

[strong forum]

and get enduring alacrity

[lusty grotto]

youre kind of a doomer arent you

this is like the 3rd time youve said something along the lines of "its in the gutter" this week

when it really isnt

[strong forum]

pwar isnt in the gutter tho ... yeah

[cosmic wyvern]

comparatively it is, obviously it's still perfectly fine in a vacuum but the other tank specs are unfortunately just better

[lusty grotto]

do you really think replacing SC and its capstones for the set will take it out of this so-called gutter?

[cosmic wyvern]

no but it'd be a cool alternative build option

[lusty grotto]

cause i dont know about that bruv

[cosmic wyvern]

something we are unfortunately lacking

[strong forum]

what would you say about us is in the gutter tho?

i dont get it

[cosmic wyvern]

again, it's just that the other tank specs are better

[strong forum]

in what way

youre claiming things that should be explainable

[hazy bronze]

More popular?

[strong forum]

sure

but that has nothing to do with "how bad" pwar is

[cosmic wyvern]

I mean, a good portion of it is the prevalence of heavy spell damage in current endgame content

[strong forum]

que?

90% of dungeons are extremely melee dmg heavy

the only raidbosses that are scary are meme bosses

[cosmic wyvern]

mostly this raid tbh

[lusty grotto]

didnt you just learn that you could spell block rashok's lava slashes last night?

[strong forum]

???

pwar is among the strongest tanks this raid aside from zskarn and experiments

both which are meme bosses

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, flaming slashes

[cosmic wyvern]

I mean idk man my meds haven't kicked in yet but there's gotta be a reason why most people consider us to be the worst tank right now

just because I'm too stupid to come up with a convincing argument doesn't mean there isn't one

[strong forum]

cuz they dont like pwar

is the main argument

its that simple

pwar was considered BROKENLY OP

in s1

cuz people had no fucking idea and didnt like pwar

we didnt get any relevant nerfs, in total we only received 1 nerf in 10.0.5 which didnt have a relevant effect

and suddenly we're "in the gutter"

purely based on feely craft

[lusty grotto]

could you ask those people if they can come up with an answer that isn't "i forgot about spell block on these huge magic hits that are spell blockable" related, perhaps?

[strong forum]

whenever pwar isnt #1

its #6

thats literally how it works

we're in a season where melee dmg is BY FAR the most dangerous thing in keys

and somehow pwar is considered bad

[lusty grotto]

idk

[strong forum]

like come on bruh

[lusty tiger]

perhaps with 9100 haste we will be back to our former #1 glory

[lusty grotto]

seems like hes just looking for an excuse

we're way past that

[strong forum]

no its just the theme of "unpopular =bad"

which you cant blame someone for

[lusty grotto]

yeah but usually those people reroll

[strong forum]

if i wouldnt know any better i'd say the same

[lusty grotto]

and then they find out that it's not as simple as they thought

[hazy bronze]

I just like clapping n slapping

[strong forum]

like people are stating that bear is dogshit next tier

[cosmic wyvern]

I mean (and this is the last thing I'll say because I'm clearly just retarded), what do we offer that other tanks don't

[hazy bronze]

New tier set worse sound effect than previous

[strong forum]

when all thats being nerfed

[hazy bronze]

Rally

[strong forum]

bshout, rally

vdh currently

brings nothing

besides 5% magic dmg

and yet it was super popular

until 10.2, brings absolutely nothing to the table in keys

except raw dmg output

[lusty grotto]

this is true ngl

[strong forum]

circling back to bear

people are saying bear is dogshit next tier, cuz theyre losing 20% dmg on 2 abilities (or smth along those lines) and their mega broken bloodfrenzy talent is no longer uncapped

that is it

and somehow bear is now dogshit

their "broken utility" of the current patch is still there

[lusty grotto]

bdk brings amz horray!!!

[strong forum]

their dmg takes a hit, sure, but people said bear isnt OP cuz of dmg this patch

its cuz of "utility"

[lusty grotto]

and a battle rez, which is kind of useless in raid because you have other dudes that can do it

[cosmic wyvern]

and grabby hanz

[lusty grotto]

which they use on a whole 2 fights

[strong forum]

all this discussion tells you

is that the whole "which tank is good" discussion

is riddled with feelings and emotion

rather than facts and evidence

which is fine for one person itself

[lusty tiger]

i think Nome is #1 tank!

[strong forum]

but not to be spread throughout the community

[hazy bronze]

Fax

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

lets all reroll nome

[lusty tiger]

^

[cosmic wyvern]

unfortunately feelings tend to be more important, because that's what influences people a hell of a lot more

[cosmic wyvern]

god I would if I could

[strong forum]

feelings absolutely matter

but only to you yourself

you shouldnt project your feelings onto others

cuz i can confidently say

i feel way more secure on pwar

than any other tank

[lusty grotto]

same

[strong forum]

chessmate

[lusty grotto]

and i have 2 other tanks

[strong forum]

therefor pwar bis

[lusty grotto]

well 3 technically cause nimchipadin

[cosmic wyvern]

well I mean moreso feelings are what cause people to see a prot warrior in their m+ queue and go "nah they're the worst tank rn lol I'll wait for a 'better' one"

even if it isn't necessarily true

[strong forum]

cuz they dont know any better

theyre being told "ah pwar bad"

and then just take it as that

[cosmic wyvern]

well yeah, they're wow players

meta is gospel for them

[lusty grotto]

heh

[strong forum]

depends on the person

ive always been, and will always be a person who plays what they want

and not what anybody tells me

[cosmic wyvern]

I mean, in SL I played Venthyr fire mage the whole way through despite everyone yelling at me to go night fae

[strong forum]

cuz its a game

[cosmic wyvern]

but nah unless they make prot warrior unfun to play I don't really ever want to reroll

[strong forum]

blizz tried really hard

in 9.0 and 8.0 to make pwar unfun

but i still end up playing it

over everything else

tbh

in DF aswell

pwar is the least fun to me since 9.0

still better than any other spec in the game tho

[torpid merlin]

As a tank, should I be pulling chains in neltharus? If so, should I be making sure I have shield wall rolling when I do it? Have tried it out in a couple of keys and I get absolutely dumpstered

[toxic pewter]

I will say the high uptime of the 14-16% dr is pretty nice

[strong forum]

you can start pulling chains once your DPS's chains have stunned the mobs

and then you can do yours yes

[lusty grotto]

you dont block or parry while youre doing it so yes have a wall and do it asap after a stop like Nome says

and yes you should do it if youre doing the correct pulls

[torpid merlin]

Thank you both!

[daring marlin]

but arms bro

[strong forum]

arms is fun

but playing dps is only fun for so long

[lusty tiger]

🦾

[lusty tiger]

unless u have a good tank

then it's permanently fun

[strong forum]

nah

i just get bored of playing dps cuz its so uninvolved

[left basalt]

my proudest achievements during my time with this game, i am old

we almost got the TOC achievement but a shaman died on anub and instantly ahnk'd so he didn't get screamed at

[lusty tiger]

what an ancient GAMER

[strong forum]

realm first is big

unless it was mega dead realm

then kinda cringe

[left basalt]

Thunderlord

I think we had world 88 Firefigher or something

maybe it was 3 tree freya

fuck like 15 years ago 👴

[strong forum]

given that totgc and yogg kills are only 1 month apart

and that algalon and yogg+0 is almost 3 months apart

kinda sus

[left basalt]

sus of what?

[lusty tiger]

💀

[strong forum]

but regardless, i did wish they brought em back

[lusty tiger]

detective nome

[strong forum]

realm first cheevos owned

[strong forum]

means that nobody did get totgc realm first when it was current content

[uneven mason]

Algalon was a beast on release, iirc the analogy was "Chuck Norris dual wielding Mac trucks"

[lusty tiger]

LOL

[strong forum]

yeah algalon was proper hard

and so was yogg+0

[uneven mason]

Just fucking destroyed tanks

[strong forum]

for back in the day standards*

[uneven mason]

Yogg was a mechanics/personal responsibility

[left basalt]

the cheevs are definitely real

[strong forum]

yeah no im not saying theyre not real

[uneven mason]

Alg in the end is simple mechanically, just hurts

[strong forum]

im implying they werent done on a hugely large competetive server

[left basalt]

1000% agree

[uneven mason]

He's commenting on how dead the server was

[left basalt]

lol

[strong forum]

but nevertheless big

[lusty tiger]

hes saying they aren't real impressive

[strong forum]

cuz it was during said expansion

[uneven mason]

But our. No one killed alg fast because you only had an hour per week

[lusty tiger]

💀

[strong forum]

i wouldnt say not impressive

[left basalt]

i miss that guild, that was such a fun time to play WoW

[lusty tiger]

im jk

but that is lit getting it at all and having a old guild that was able to do them

[strong forum]

it would be less impressive if it was done outside of being current xpac

like there are servers out there

[lusty tiger]

that would be quite the dead server

[strong forum]

where you can probably still get realm first achievements

have seen people get realm first for wrath stuff back in legion

[left basalt]

oh no yeah, this was during prog, but i think the yogg was maybe before TOC, or it had just come out

[cosmic wyvern]

honestly yeah. my guild is confused as to why I find tank so much more fun than dps (a few of them are still convinced that it's just because I "don't want to have to do mechanics")

[strong forum]

dps have to do less mechanics than tanks

so like lmao

[cosmic wyvern]

exactly

[strong forum]

the only difference is

[left basalt]

I got gkicked about a month later and quit for 10 years, actually finished college, job, wife, family, house, now I'm back

[strong forum]

DPS only get a mechanic once every blue moon

thats why wiping to dps failures

is much more likely

cuz a tank always gets their mechanic, so theyre used to it

dps arent used to getting it 100% of the time

[cosmic wyvern]

a lot of them have never tanked so I guess they just don't understand what I find so fun about it

and why, ever since I started tanking, I absolutely hate going back to dps

[lusty tiger]

they dont get to hate on the other tank specs

[strong forum]

tanking is doing more mechanics + DPS whoring just as much

[uneven mason]

I remember there was some realms that people were getting scarab Lord and shit during cataclysm

[lusty tiger]

but muh top of meters

make prot do dmg again

*DAMAGE

[strong forum]

the hard part of DPSing is greeding mechanics

to do more dmg whilst actually risking your life

[lusty tiger]

ye

tank: me soak w shieldwall and stand still

dps: dies

[uneven mason]

Staying in as fury because you just hit battlecry and Argus gave you the bomb

[strong forum]

yeah im not greedy enough for a dps player

[uneven mason]

Leaping at the last 0.5s and charging back in to maintain that jugg stack

[strong forum]

to do proper good dmg

i always sacrifice dmg as dps to do the mechanic

[lusty tiger]

yea... it is a balancing act

also depends on your healer

and if people have bop/spellshield/sac/etc for you to be able to greed

[uneven mason]

I mean if it can be healed

Just stand in it

Keep pewpew

I'm talking mechanics that'll wipe the raid if you don't do it

[lusty tiger]

theres layers right: are you taking a swirlie during aoe tick damage? and do you have a defensive?

etc

is your spot gonna bait a mechanic to a shitty spot

[strong forum]

if its not lethal you just stand in it

no reason to move

like say experiments

swirlies

stand in that shit if its not overlapping ones

theres no merit in taking the least possible dmg

if it wasnt lethal to begin with

same goes for tanks

[sick sentinel]

People forget HP is a resource to be spent

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, understanding the threshold you can do is really the hardest part of DPS. Maintaining uptime when you do have to part is the easiest form of that, but

[sick sentinel]

People forget you deal as much damage at 1 as you do at 800k hp

[pallid quiver]

It's also important to onow when you can avoid damage and still keep damage

[strong forum]

obv

[lusty tiger]

ams, then stand on the pack with slappy hands going

[pallid quiver]

wait is there even anyone new who actually needs this said or did i just add nothing for people who already know

[lusty tiger]

nome

is new

and needed to know

[pallid quiver]

I'm shopping gundam models, I can't be assed to think

[lusty tiger]

anybody else think sanguine is torturous for the tank

and... pretty much the whole party

[toxic pewter]

yeah sanguine should of been removed in 10.2

its just the last outdated and annoying one to deal with

[lusty tiger]

yooo apb a 🔥 take

[toxic pewter]

should just remove all affixes and start new

burn it all down

[median tulip]

Sanguine just means you bring a class with a displace.

Well, and don't bring Frost

[toxic pewter]

most the affixes are basically problematic still in some way

so makes sense to get rid of all of them actually

[sick sentinel]

You know the Gundam files got leaked right?

Just fire up the printer

[toxic pewter]

wat

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, Bandai did a fuckywucky

[toxic pewter]

im against 3d printing and printers in general

so thats gonna be a NO from me dawg

[lusty tiger]

??????????

gundam action figures?

is there like some kind of drama about people 3d printing them?

[toxic pewter]

not really I am just anti-3d printing and printer technology in general

[lusty tiger]

why

[toxic pewter]

?

[lusty tiger]

?

[toxic pewter]

AI eventually gonna use 3d printing to create real world physical avatars obviously

[lusty tiger]

um

so

[toxic pewter]

?

I am very much anti AI also

[lusty tiger]

why

[toxic pewter]

because as humans we cannot fathom just how deep the situation of AI goes

its rabbit hole that frankly is limitless

[lusty tiger]

yea

better than biological progression

[toxic pewter]

and it is very concerning that is for sure

[toxic pewter]

No because we have morality at least

[lusty tiger]

no we dont

i do

but humanity does not

[toxic pewter]

well I believe we do, I realize most do not think there is objective moral truth though

dark times ahead unfortunately

[lusty tiger]

meh not worth worrying about those types of problems unless youre actively on the front trying to fix them

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

[waxen frigate]

I am the guiding light, a beacon of hope for humanity. You will soon see as I rise up to claim my rightful destiny.

[sick sentinel]

People get pissy when corpo loses shekels because someone has a 3d print alternative

And ofc there is also the schizo here as well

i dont understand why all of the TW dungeons this week are ez clap

and then, halls of lightning,

brick wall

[sick sentinel]

TW is always ez clap

steel wall

reinforced by titanium rods

Slap on TW gear, ez clap

[toxic pewter]

I feel like you are referring to me... I have just one question

u want go

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

can't over pull crap or you wipe for suer any of the pulls

[toxic pewter]

i stand with this individual'

[sick sentinel]

Your girlfriend wanted to, but you took your meds

[toxic pewter]

i will have you know sir

[waxen frigate]

The only titanium rod I need is in a specific place

[lusty tiger]

😻

[waxen frigate]

My back 😦 it helps the scoliosis

[toxic pewter]

get someone stand on ur spine

[lusty tiger]

me

[toxic pewter]

dude more 10.2 class tuning again just now

and nothing for prot warrior again

[daring marlin]

yeah cuz prot warrior owns

smh...

[lusty tiger]

you own

[cosmic wyvern]

the warrior dev quit a few months ago and they haven't found a replacement

[lusty tiger]

is this cap?

[cosmic wyvern]

no its true trust me my great grand-uncle works at Blizzard

[lusty tiger]

:3

[toxic pewter]

🤔

I am over here talking about real, modern prot warrior issues and you mock me.. for shame

[lusty tiger]

when r we running keys apb

[toxic pewter]

i am on ptr these days

[lusty tiger]

im talkin' s3

[toxic pewter]

yeah I mean I am down if u really want to

but I usually am a loner

[lusty tiger]

I do really want to

[toxic pewter]

alright

[lusty tiger]

ive done some ptr

most of it isnt too bad

[cosmic wyvern]

god I need to find a group to push keys when s3 starts

really don't want to pug that shit

[toxic pewter]

just pug

[chilly brook]

You do make it easy

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean

many people agree with me, i speak for the silent majority

we are tired of not hearing from dev for a year

gap after opening ceremony prob gonna be the new IP they working on

[chilly brook]

Nah it’s gonna be classic +

[lusty tiger]

cata

inc

[toxic pewter]

na theres already a 'classic: whats next' at 3:30 pm

[lusty tiger]

inb4 blizz makes a server for every classic xpac

[chilly brook]

But more realistically it’s going to be some cringe presentation that actually has nothing to do with games and probably something revolving around some portion of the community 90% of people couldn’t care less about but nod their heads anyways

[toxic pewter]

they gonna anounce their survival game they been working on

[toxic pewter]

dang u seem very cynical

O_O

blizz is back bb

[chilly brook]

Ehhh wouldn’t be the first time game companies do something like that during a big presentation

[toxic pewter]

the best days of blizz are ahead of us tbh

took 20 years

of wow

but we finally made it

[chilly brook]

DF is good but I still don’t trust blizz

D4 was garbage

[sick sentinel]

this is how i would want to see wow split up

[toxic pewter]

most agree people enjoy diablo 4 again now

[sick sentinel]

if they do cata

[toxic pewter]

all it takes is one patch

i dont think they gonna do cata

[chilly brook]

They’re going to do cata

[toxic pewter]

na

[sick sentinel]

cuz, after SL was when they ditched the talents that emerged in cata

[chilly brook]

You’re silly if you think they won’t

[toxic pewter]

actually you are the one that is silly

[sick sentinel]

you know hat i mean

[daring marlin]

Raids in cata owned

[toxic pewter]

do you want to make a wager

[daring marlin]

especially first tier

[toxic pewter]

wow gold

1 million

[uneven mason]

Holly will run the expansions all the way

[chilly brook]

No the talent system that was removed in favor of DF talent trees was the MoP talents

[sick sentinel]

but what im getting at okay right, is it then encompasses all 3 talents styles

old talents, cata and new

[toxic pewter]

@chilly brook u want to bet 1 million gold on cata happening or not

[chilly brook]

Old talents, mop and new*

[uneven mason]

Cata was old style

[sick sentinel]

cuz maybe some players only want to have 5 options to choose for talents

[uneven mason]

Just "squished"

[chilly brook]

Sure

[toxic pewter]

cata is not happening. mark my words.

Ok

[chilly brook]

Cata is going to happen

[sick sentinel]

cata was when u were forced into a spec right

u had to chose this spec

[lusty tiger]

u in on classic cata?

[uneven mason]

Not sure what you mean

[toxic pewter]

I will contact you to collect on november 4th-5th

[sick sentinel]

like how it was in SL

[uneven mason]

Mists

[daring marlin]

Hell no. I played it when it was current.

[uneven mason]

And talents were not spec specific until wod

[sick sentinel]

u have to choose 1 of the 3 was it mists? i swear that was in cata

[uneven mason]

Cata went back to 31point trees

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[sick sentinel]

oh right, no your right yeah

[chilly brook]

Bro wtf

[toxic pewter]

wat is that

[chilly brook]

Why is my shit getting deleted

[toxic pewter]

lol

[sick sentinel]

oemgalul

[chilly brook]

Can you no longer upload images in this channel???

[toxic pewter]

u can

prob bad file format

[sick sentinel]

open paint

open image

save as something the file is NOT

[daring marlin]

L bozo

[sick sentinel]

delete orginal

[lusty tiger]

L

[toxic pewter]

wat u trying to upload anyway

[toxic pewter]

oh

oof

im out 1 mil

[chilly brook]

You think they put deathwing on promotional material for no reason?

[sick sentinel]

is that going right now

[strong forum]

who says this is deathwing

[chilly brook]

No

[lusty grotto]

🙂

[strong forum]

thats not what deathwing looks like

[toxic pewter]

it just makes no sense for them to do cata

[chilly brook]

It does

It costs them literally nothing to release it

[toxic pewter]

cata is basically the moment classic became retail

effectively

[chilly brook]

No not even close

[toxic pewter]

yeah it is

they fucked the world

[chilly brook]

We’re definitely getting cata with changes

[uneven mason]

That's void corrupted iridicron

[daring marlin]

what

[uneven mason]

Not deathwing

[daring marlin]

what

you fuckin' wat bro

[uneven mason]

That's iridicron

[strong forum]

yeah thats iridikron

• shadowflame absorbed or w/e

[daring marlin]

WoW became retail with dungeon finder

[chilly brook]

Yeah guys

[cosmic wyvern]

god I wish I could go to blizzcon

[toxic pewter]

yeah true but the world changing was also a huge moment that cannot be overstated

[chilly brook]

The guy with horns suddenly doesn’t have them

[lusty grotto]

thats me

its me, sorry guys

[strong forum]

certainly aint deathwing either

[toxic pewter]

griff are you on NA i should of asked you that

[daring marlin]

Where are his metal bits if it's deahzvink tho

[toxic pewter]

if you are EU i may not be able to pay up lmao

[chilly brook]

Yeah man totally fyrakk too

Without his flaming horns

[lusty grotto]

its barney

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/barney-food-pistachios-trick-eating-gif-27567268

[toxic pewter]

wait

[lusty grotto]

dat him

[toxic pewter]

that image is it even for 2023 blizzcon

that is from blizzconline

which was like 2 years ago or whatever

[chilly brook]

They’re there just not what you think they should look like texture wise

[chilly brook]

Yes it is

[toxic pewter]

f

not sure about that

it says on it blizzconline

they dont call it that anymore

this the current look for blizzcon

[daring marlin]

Deathwing never had the massive horn on his snout

That ain't him

It would make sense that it's Iridikron transformed

[uneven mason]

His horns aren't actually attached to him, probably fall off when he eats the grape jelly they pulled from galikrond

[toxic pewter]

also why that image got bolvar on it and shit

that an old image bro

[daring marlin]

LMAO

[chilly brook]

You right

[toxic pewter]

I am a metzenite

i stand with metzen to provide new interesting stories and experiences

inshametzen

🙏

[daring marlin]

damn that dick eatin' crazy

[chilly brook]

Idk they’re using it as the web image for google on their official page

[daring marlin]

More Morchie nerfs

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-fall-fail-fall-into-the-garbage-can-cat-gif-16669737

[toxic pewter]

hmmm I think that is google doing that but fair enough

[lusty grotto]

thats chat gpt punkin you bitches and hoes

[toxic pewter]

let me ask chatgpt

[chilly brook]

Blizz should 100% have control over what they put up

Either way they’re doing cata classic

[uneven mason]

Couldn't be fucked to make new graphics

[chilly brook]

It’ll be cata classic with some changes like never adding lfr

[lusty grotto]

but

lfr is last patch so it'll happen

[toxic pewter]

if they go the cata route they will be doing a huge disservice to themselves tbh

[lusty grotto]

👍

[toxic pewter]

cata was very mixed xpac

the previous 3 are well loved

[lusty grotto]

#nochangesJKchangescoming

[chilly brook]

I actually completely disagree

[daring marlin]

cata very mixed

how

[lusty grotto]

cata was just a burnout expansion

people were burnt out

[toxic pewter]

most people do not have love for cata like they do vanilla bc wrath

[lusty grotto]

they blame the expansion for it

but the truth is

cata wasn't bad

[daring marlin]

Cata only sucked cuz the last raid sucked and lasted FOREVER.

[chilly brook]

I think cata is actually going to be better received in classic than people think

[toxic pewter]

I actually liked cata

[daring marlin]

First tier one of the goats

[toxic pewter]

thats fair i guess if they re released it may get a better response

[daring marlin]

Class design was pretty good

[chilly brook]

I played vanilla, I played tbc and I played a lot of wrath

They were all shit tbh

Cata actually has decent encounters and class design that isn’t snooze

[toxic pewter]

still dont think thats the path they taking.. they are going a more bold path with new classic xpac

which is needed to get people truly excited

[daring marlin]

Cata is when dungeons and raids started getting difficult

comparatively

SHUT UP BULL GO TO THE GYM

[modern brook]

cata has the underwater start zone so its a dogshit expansion that is bad

gilford has 2 things to say ever

[toxic pewter]

that zone owned though lol

[modern brook]

and both are ruined by looking at a clock

[toxic pewter]

cata zones were great

[lusty grotto]

hot take i liked the underwater zone

vashjir

i know yall gonna hate me

but i liked it

[chilly brook]

I just quit playing wrath, one of the officers tried telling me that ICC content was actually difficult and that we’d be spending months before getting Heroic LK

[daring marlin]

zone was great

[chilly brook]

Like no the content isn’t hard

[daring marlin]

so was hyjal

[lusty grotto]

seahorse go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[daring marlin]

YES DUDE

on foot was fast too

another L take from Bull

shocker

[lusty grotto]

just charge

where are you charging?

[daring marlin]

[lusty grotto]

up down

left right

[daring marlin]

hahaha

[lusty grotto]

in, out

who cares, youre charging

[chilly brook]

Can we get this message pinned @strong forum

[lusty grotto]

we just need a remind me bot

[toxic pewter]

are you NA or EU i hope ur NA

[daring marlin]

@modern brook league when

He's NA

[chilly brook]

NA

[toxic pewter]

ok good

this is just for this blizzcon btw if cata comes out in like 3 years or something that is not part of this bet

[chilly brook]

apb do you have a million to lose?

[toxic pewter]

i mean i have a million gold yea

[lusty tiger]

?????

[daring marlin]

He doesn't play.

He plays Valorant tho.

🤢

[lusty tiger]

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-happy-surprised-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-gif-5362501

bull plays valorant!?

[daring marlin]

ye

[lusty grotto]

lol

ima play this

[chilly brook]

I picked that up was supposed to play a lot this week with friends

But one of them has been being….dumb

[lusty grotto]

i fucking hate that its on EGS

this fucking app is shit

i usually have stuff like steam on startup

but this one its a no from me dawg

[daring marlin]

Holy shit

Killers of the Flower Moon is 3.5 hours long!

I'm gonna go see it tomorrow

[warm plinth]

I've only seen 3 movies that were that long or longer and only one felt worth it

[toxic pewter]

wtf is killer of the flower moon

oh new scorcese film.. interesting

[lusty tiger]

What that

[warm plinth]

read the message directly above yours

[lusty tiger]

What that

[boreal heath]

For TLS with this tier set, pwar doesn't treat it as part of their defensives that they'd rotate/hold for tankbusters right? And instead it's just sent on cd

[warm plinth]

TLS?

[chilly brook]

I’m assuming they mean Last Stand

And yeah you just send it on CD

[daring marlin]

Ask chatgpt

[boreal heath]

The last stand

[boreal heath]

Damn chatgpt actually gave me an answer to my question

[pallid quiver]

It stands for Transport Later Security, Ghash

It's an protocol for trying to send data securely via encryption

[strong forum]

last stand next patch is to be treated as a normal defensive CD

its 30% ehp increase

30% increase to ignore pain cap

and 30% increase to indomitable healing

[lusty grotto]

[boreal heath]

I assume only after we get t31 set

[strong forum]

well yeah

[toxic pewter]

should make rallying cry non-temporary health (max health portion still temporary obviously)

[boreal heath]

So just another fort buff?

[toxic pewter]

na

i am meaning let it heal people up 10%

the max amount is temporary still

basically like how last stand works

[lusty grotto]

thats how it works

just like LS

[toxic pewter]

does it

[lusty grotto]

LS/Rally heal you as it raises your hp

[toxic pewter]

ls does but rally doesnt

[lusty grotto]

it should

its exactly the same

[toxic pewter]

this is how last stand is worded:

Increases maximum health by 30% for 15 sec, and instantly heals you for that amount.

[grim pilot]

ls heals you, rally doesnt afaik

[lusty grotto]

well i stand corrected

[toxic pewter]

yeah since rally was nerfed so heavily in 10.2 i think its a fair compromise

[lusty grotto]

i always assumed it did

[grim pilot]

it just expands your health for 10 sec

or w/e the duration is

[toxic pewter]

about to be 10 second duration firm, no option for increased duration

[boreal heath]

If you end rally at more health than you were before you rallies don't you get healed technically anyways

[blazing condor]

Same goes for any ability

[warm plinth]

Rally does heal you but you also lose what it healed after it ends

You keep LS health

[left basalt]

this is what i read as well

[warm plinth]

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean by this

[boreal heath]

Uhh, like how VP rally works on the shouty guys

[sage pollen]

guys why i have so much rage

i dont like it

[boreal heath]

So like,
You start at 50/100 HP, rally brings you up to say 130HP. You take 30 pts of damage and rally end, so your max health is set back to 100. Therefore you've been helped for 50

If that makes sense at all pinky

[warm plinth]

If I have 500k max HP and I'm currently at 100k HP, and I use Last Stand, then I will have 650,000 max HP and 250k current HP. When Last Stand ends (assuming no other damage/healing), I will still have 250k current HP.
If I have 500k max HP and I'm currently at 100k HP, and I use Rallying Cry, then I will have 575,000 max HP and 175k current HP. When Rallying Cry ends (assuming no other damage/healing), I will go back to 100k HP.

[cerulean tusk]

Kicker is if you started at 70% hp and compare the two

[strong forum]

its really simple

rally is a temporary HP gain

[warm plinth]

Why would your % health matter

The same thing happens regardless

You keep the healing of LS, you don't keep the healing of Rally

[strong forum]

if rally grants you 100k HP

[boreal heath]

I assumed that rallying cry would just set your max HP back to 100%

[strong forum]

you lose 100k hp when it falls off

rally can drop you to 1hp if you have less HP than rally granted

[warm plinth]

If you used rally at full HP and it ended without any other damage/healing, then yes you would stay at 100% because it granted you the same temporary health as the max health buff

[strong forum]

it does not set you to X% hp

its a temporary heal, which is substracted again after it falls of

[chilly brook]

Because you’re not spending it

[strong forum]

same as the battlemaster pvp trinkets

they are a temporary HP increase, which gets substracted again after the buff fades

Last Stand is a straight up heal

it doesnt substract any HP after it falls off, just resets your max HP to 100%

[sick sentinel]

the heirloom ones of those are insane for tanking leveling

[boreal heath]

Ah okay. Then I just misunderstood that what it did was just modify your max hp.

Was assuming it worked the same way rally does for the vp executors

[cerulean tusk]

Cause LS heals on top of giving temp HP

[strong forum]

idk exactly how hit works for the executors, but i assume just like normal rally

they stay the same % they are when buff falls off i assume

same temporary HP gain unless below said buff threshold i'd assume

[boreal heath]

But rallying cry can in theory nullify any damage taken up to the threshold

[strong forum]

no

[warm plinth]

Rally does not nullify any damage whatsoever

It provides a short term buffer that might keep you alive long enough to be healed

[cerulean tusk]

It helps absorb damage, into your HP total. Not nullify. It also makes it 10% harder to top

[boreal heath]

So if you use it at max health, and take only enough damage to drop you to your previous max health

[strong forum]

it extends your HP pool to 110%

and removes 10%

after it falls off

no matter how much HP you have

[warm plinth]

It's why no one really gives a fuck that it's getting nerfed. Because it was already mediocre.

[strong forum]

it removes 10% again

if youre at 110% when it falls off, youre at 100%

if youre at 105% when it falls off, youre at 95%

[boreal heath]

Ah ok. So if you're at 100%/110% it'll bring you down to 90%/100%

[strong forum]

ye

if youre at 5% and it falls off

youre at 0.001%

it cant kill you by falling off, just puts you really fucking close

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't think it can actually kill you. Just take you to 1 HP?

[strong forum]

yea

[boreal heath]

I mean at 1 HP you're pretty much dead

[warm plinth]

But realistically you're dead anyway if that happens

[strong forum]

correct

but not through rally itself

rally itself is not the very thing that kills you

[warm plinth]

It's just like stagger won't kill you on a brewmaster but you're fucked the next time damage happens lol

[boreal heath]

That makes sense ty.

[strong forum]

you were dead the second you hit 5% HP and rally was about to fall off assuming you will take a single point of dmg before getting healed after it

but you can survive if nothing happens

[boreal heath]

Then is there any HP increase mechanic in the game that works like how I described where it just modifies your max HP pool

[strong forum]

nah

i think every ability that temporarily increases HP is either a heal or falls off after the buff fades

entering meta as VDH is a heal

Last Stand is a Heal

Rally i think is just falloff

[warm plinth]

Meta is kinda weird though tbh

[strong forum]

dunno if shaman riptie buff is a heal or not

[warm plinth]

It's a scripted heal, unlike LS

So it heals you even if you had like necrotic or whatever

[strong forum]

yeah its not a heal heal

it just adds +50% hp

to your HP

[warm plinth]

yeah

[strong forum]

and you dont lose it when meta falls off

[warm plinth]

but, in the context of this conversation, still a permanent HP gain

[strong forum]

yea

thats why there used to be a brief macro

that was /cancelaura Meta

before you pressed meta or fel dev

to get that 50% heal

[warm plinth]

[strong forum]

but really fucky

because re-activating meta while meta was active

didnt give you that 50% hp heal

only if you left meta and then re-entered meta

youd get that heal

[cerulean tusk]

I learned that the hard way

[strong forum]

but in practice it was never really worth it

[cerulean tusk]

Expected a bump up, died, wondered why

This is why you stick to warrior, just block it

Wonder if we are ever going to use our "cheat death" tho

I still don't get how it works. Warr just suddenly pops.

[warm plinth]

Because the code for it is fucking swiss cheese

[median tulip]

I've never talented Battle-Scarred Veteran

[warm plinth]

Me neither

Because #1 it's a shit talent, and #2 I ain't no bitch

[median tulip]

Rather than using a cheat death, perhaps people would like to consider simply not dying?

[warm plinth]

I would be fine with like, newbies using it temporarily if it was ACTUALLY a cheat death

Would still coach them into improving so they don't use it

But at least then it serves the purpose that Blizzard intended it for

[cerulean tusk]

It just is weird. You at 100% health, then you see it pop. I am just... what

Tho, haven't used it since it was released

It prob fixed by now

[boreal heath]

Surely you cheated a death at 100% HP

[cerulean tusk]

Saved from myself

[cerulean tusk]

Gz Yogi

[sick sentinel]

time to never use it a single time

[cerulean tusk]

As Elune intended it to be

[sick sentinel]

i know its pointless but i wanted that on my bdk

[waxen orbit]

What trinkets lookin best for us next patch?

[warm plinth]

5 1/2 to go 👀

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw

[strong forum]

• fortnite:
• augury
• signet brand
• kinda ok:
• rageheart
• sandglass
• pip
• butcher block
• meh:
• ember of nullification
• might of smth smth
• egg
• rezans

[warm plinth]

what's not ok anymore Nome

Say the name

😢

[sick sentinel]

(there was talk of some firestarter ?items?trinket? being good for us, thats the meta joke im making)

[strong forum]

thats signet brand

[sick sentinel]

they nerfin/changing butcher block?

[strong forum]

no

[sick sentinel]

weird they change rezan but not butcher block

BB is the defination of do nothing stat stick

[cerulean tusk]

Aspect or serpent? Who knows

[median tulip]

Do you have to loot spec DPS to have roll priority for the Augury?

[strong forum]

yea

fyrakk rageheart is tank only
augury is dps only

[sick sentinel]

i don't think i will ever be able to beat my transmog i have equiiped now

[toxic pewter]

I care

[warm plinth]

Yes, we know apb

[sick sentinel]

besides that its not electrical effect on the shoulder

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[sick sentinel]

thats the only thing really wrong about it

[strong forum]

maybe it didnt fit thematically idk

cuz nothing about rezan has to do with haste

butcher block you can atleast kinda understand

[warm plinth]

Yeah he's not even fast at running after you

[median tulip]

Fury loot spec for Fyrakk then; there's that 1-hander

[strong forum]

the good part about rageheart is, its consistent

[sick sentinel]

well and its child of rezan literal does what it says on the box and lore corect

[strong forum]

augury is rppm rng

and rageheart is supposed to be our replacement for beacon

[toxic pewter]

lol i take it Fortnite is considered good right

[strong forum]

but the shield on that trinket is cosmetic

cuz the self dmg eats 80% of it by itself

[sick sentinel]

RIP machimba bandage

one of my most favorite

[strong forum]

epic fortnite victory royale

[toxic pewter]

XD

[cerulean tusk]

Wait, the dam portion comes after the shield portion?

[toxic pewter]

wait wasn’t there some Fortnite wow crossover supposed to happen

Wat happened with that

[strong forum]

god i hope not

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

i havew won 1 game of fort nite and cawme 2nd once

[daring marlin]

could you imagine them nerfing rezan's

couldn't be me

lmaoooooooooo

[strong forum]

its already cringe af that lilith and inarius are in cod

cod is tryna be fortnite so bad

[daring marlin]

While I love The Boys seeing Black Noir, Homelander and Starlight in there was bad enough.

but fucking Lilith and Inarius was just

[toxic pewter]

Wait wtf they’re in cod?! LOL

[strong forum]

yeah...

nicki minaj too or whoever

[median tulip]

I suspect the answer to this will be "no", but: Do DoT criticals proc the Coiled Serpent Idol?

[strong forum]

and some other cringe mainstream popculture shit

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-br-fortnite-battle-royale-fortnite-darth-vader-darth-vader-gif-13450576011618301106

[strong forum]

idk havent tried that trinket in weeks

used it once on ptr launch

and deemed it just a shittier version of grapnel

lemme check again

[median tulip]

If it procs on DoTs it might be useful in M+, esp on Fort

If it doesn't then yeah it's probably meh

[toxic pewter]

Will that 1h axe from fyrak be bis probably right

[strong forum]

trash

utter trash

that was 4 procs btw

[toxic pewter]

Dang

[strong forum]

that was directed at zeta

gholak is bis weapon for us

[toxic pewter]

Oh ok right

[pallid quiver]

Can you tell me it's not so I don't feel bad when I don't get it?

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/754954363847311460.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

you must get it or youll never feel fulfilled in life

[pallid quiver]

damn, it's like i'm back in one of the fighting game discords

[cinder nova]

Nom

Do we have any gangbusters trinkies to eyeball for M+

Or raid for that matter, but I dunno if all that's out yet

[toxic pewter]

We just talked about trinkets

[bleak breach]

You will get Gholak and you will like it

You have no choice

[cinder nova]

The fuck is fortnite

And what are the trinkets up there

signet brand augury

what the hell

am I looking at

[bleak breach]

Jesus, that’s solid

@strong forum so the ursine tank trink not looking any good?

Definitely sounds solid and got a nice damage buff

@cinder nova the 10.2 bis chart currently

[cinder nova]

Yes but what the fuck is they homie

[bleak breach]

They’re the trinkets, gimme 2 secs I’ll send link

https://www.wowhead.com/news/special-effect-raid-weapons-and-trinkets-in-amirdrassil-334906

[cinder nova]

Both the bis together look like they can go a long way to making up for our middling cleave

[bleak breach]

Kinda, but also gotta think. Every other tank will likely run the same stuff, so doubt it makes any difference.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but that's not really what I'm worried about.

Pushing keys is gonna be my goal in my spare time, and being able to reliably contribute big AOE is important. This seems to go a long way to making that work better.

Damage times keys.

[urban portal]

the trinkets arent that great for cleave

its good

[bleak breach]

I think cleave wise you’d likely run the rageheart

[urban portal]

but not great

yeah its good

i think its the best tank trinekt we had in a while

but the passive is 400 dps while giving up main stat

so idk how good it really is

[cinder nova]

Signet brand cleaves at full stacks and as long as you're pulling familiarly to how you would with anvil maintaining stacks is gonna be a no-brainer

[bleak breach]

I hope they buff the ursine one enough that we use it. Actually being a tank specific trink that’s bis would be nice.

[chilly brook]

Tank trinkets are gross

[urban portal]

signet cleave is split amongst x

its a scam

[chilly brook]

It’s not afaik

[urban portal]

it ESSENTIALLY says it does 10% more damage at 15 stacks

damage to you. At 15 stacks, enemies near your target suffer 10% of the damage dealt split between them. Firestarter decays every 5 sec

split

but the ST damage is monsterous

391k

it also says 3 ppm

[strong forum]

Wrong assessment

[cinder nova]

Do we know the ppm of them?

[strong forum]

At 15 stacks it does 10%of the STs dmg as split dmg

[hardy snow]

how the hell this ursine trinket works? is it just 8s immune every ~1,5 min?

[urban portal]

yeah

im not saying its bad

the ST damage is monsterous

[strong forum]

Ursine trinket is every 3sec (best case) 9k dmg, then at 30 stacks it does it does the 9k counter dmg on every attack

[bleak breach]

Just counterattacks and gives decent health regen

[urban portal]

and signet splits 10% amongst the rest

[cinder nova]

🤔 So what are our M+ trinkies?

[strong forum]

Signet and augury/fyrakk

[cinder nova]

That makes sense.

Do both drop off Fyrakk?

[strong forum]

Fyrakk rage heart is 800k aoe dmg per 1.5min and 500 dps per target uncapped passive dot

Augury and rage heart drop from fyrakk

[toxic pewter]

Apparently fyrakk drops augury and heart

[strong forum]

Signet drops from smolderon

[cinder nova]

Great...

[hardy snow]

and what is "counterattack" in terms of wow mechanics? does it just deals dmg back to attacker? how much?

[pallid quiver]

Damn, all pretty late bosses

That'll be a pain for my pugging self

[strong forum]

9k

[toxic pewter]

I guess we want augury more sorta?

[bleak breach]

Similar to the one in vault

[cinder nova]

I get why the best trinkets are at the end

But fuck me

can we not?

[bleak breach]

Just has a self heal and strength buff

[strong forum]

The counter attack procs presumably on every dmg instance

So at 30 stacks it does massive aoe dmg

[urban portal]

theres no way it doesnt have a ICD right

[strong forum]

I've not tested it yet

[hardy snow]

why 9k? is it just attack power based or static number? or you just memeing "over 9000"? XD

[strong forum]

With teh 30 stack proc

[strong forum]

Literally in the tooltip

But ima bedge now

[pallid quiver]

Enjoy your night

Or else

[bleak breach]

It’s definitely going to atleast be a decent early option, simply because you don’t need to compete with dps on the roll

[chilly brook]

Tank trinkets just aren’t interesting