Tuning still happening
#protection
uneven mason
toxic pewter
Should remove sanguine
left basalt
Thank you very much, very much appreciated đ
left basalt
Tuning still happening
yeah that makese sense too
toxic pewter
What tuning
zealous willow
so many new players try tanking , but so less try healing do u guys agree that tanking is easier for new wow players ?
uneven mason
The only thing we know is they made this season's trinkets too strong
Hence the massive nerfs in 10.2
lusty tiger
were +14s considered big keys back then?
oblique garnet
What was this
strong forum
temple
modern brook
were +14s considered big keys back then?
14s were like 17-19ish now i tihnk?
strong forum
10s were weekly cap
modern brook
10s were weekly cap
yeah but they scaling also changed with the bump to 15 cap, didnt it?
uneven mason
were +14s considered big keys back then?
Pushing 20s in bfa was like 30s now
lusty tiger
dam i was a chad on my original rogue then
blazing condor
i was rank 1 my server with like base 13s in S1
daring marlin
Infested was so fuckin bad lmao
uneven mason
He'll I think they capped at like 18 in some keys
daring marlin
prot slapped 'em good at least
modern brook
Infested was so fuckin bad lmao
sap.exe
blazing condor
you wiped on an infested pack it was bad times
every mob in the group had ghuunies
modern brook
man what a world s1 bfa was
modern brook
I remember they did temple in like 2 pulls in the mdi or something
strong forum
meanwhile nowadays? 22-25s
modern brook
before/after the reverse-pulling thing was found out
blazing condor
inflation
uneven mason
Literally the recording of a pwar being 1 shot in TD
strong forum
people are also massively better at m+
than they were back then
like disgustingly better
the baby pulls you did in bfa
compared to what people did this xpac
are entirely different WORLDS
oblique garnet
s1 max keys were 22s i think
This was enough for top 500 of all tanks apparentlyđ€
strong forum
yeah
i peaked at #16 world pwar
with my 15s
at the time i stopped pushing
keys were someting else
oblique garnet
keys were someting else
They used to be fun
oblique garnet
Man i had more fun playing with infested than any of the df dungeons
blazing condor
cus the game was better
strong forum
i wouldnt say that the game was better in bfa
oblique garnet
Well
oblique garnet
Bfa was better than sl or df
blazing condor
DF has many better QoL changes
great vault being one of them
instead of just rng chest
oblique garnet
great vault being one of them
Absolutely hate that shit
blazing condor
why
uneven mason
SL season 1 TFW you fill the vault and get the same 3boots 3 cloaks and 3 belts every week, meanwhile you're doing mythic prog using a m0 shield
oblique garnet
I think youre due for a new name dog
blazing condor
oblique garnet
SL season 1 TFW you fill the vault and get the same 3boots 3 cloaks and 3 belts ...
Yep its the same now
uneven mason
Idk at least I can add sockets
oblique garnet
Oh right like you could do before
uneven mason
And I can craft a shield
uneven mason
Oh right like you could do before
Wasn't that added like S3?
It was a bag of gold iirc
blazing condor
the trick in s1 was to just get titan forged socket
daring marlin
I miss titanfucking gear 
strong forum
same
oblique garnet
Also despite people memeing corruption as a system
It still was the most fun gameplay ive had in a while
strong forum
made you actually play a key with the hope of "yeah i can actually get a reward from this right now instead of LITERALLY ONLY DOING IT FOR VAULT"
oblique garnet
Banner warrior in s4 sl was the only thing that was better
uneven mason
daring marlin
It still was the most fun gameplay ive had in a while
Some variety too tbh
oblique garnet
made you actually play a key with the hope of "yeah i can actually get a reward ...
This.
daring marlin
It was cool af
oblique garnet
âIf i dont do full 8 keys i wont get socket this weekâ
strong forum
bfa s4 i did more keys than the rest of the xpac combined
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
bfa s4 i did more keys than the rest of the xpac combined
I had more only fh runs the entire bfa than ive had keys done in sl and df combined
blazing condor
i didnt play corruption 
strong forum
without having also times where i had to play
strong forum
I had more only fh runs the entire bfa than ive had keys done in sl and df combi...
agreed
oblique garnet
No like
strong forum
like this current season ive only done BH an FH cuz miss me with the rest
why do shit key when you can do fun key
oblique garnet
I actually ran just freehold in bfa more than all the keys combined in the 2 expansions across all my chars
strong forum
yeah thats defo more keys than ive done all SL
blazing condor
i got the KR pet randomly
strong forum
i did like 980 keys in bfa total
blazing condor
but no parrot
strong forum
and like 400 keys in SL
oblique garnet
but no parrot
Eventually one of my irl friends traded it to me
strong forum
and rn im at like maybe 200 keys in DF
oblique garnet
But i kept doing more of fhs
strong forum
combined
oblique garnet
Because it was fun
Next tier its probably wcm
âOh you want me to tank weekly keys, do you have wcm :)â
Once im done gearing ofc because im not an enemy of team
oblique garnet
Yup
Gonna be interesting with spitelul and storming
Will probably get some pulls that you didnt think were possible because of clipping through smth
daring marlin
despite people kinda trolling on witches and last boss
At least we won't have laser matrix ninja pulling đ
oblique garnet
Youll probably pull some upstairs corridor by getting knocked up
strong forum
âOh you want me to tank weekly keys, do you have wcm :)â
yea
strong forum
roughly same here
oblique garnet
I did alot of boosts
daring marlin
I should do my SL one lol
blazing condor
feelsstrongman
sweet summit
HOLY SHIT NOMERATUR FURY PLAYER
sweet summit
blazing condor
where do you see the recap on rio now again
strong forum
sweet summit
strong forum
atleast its EXCLUSIVELY plate classes
sweet summit
daring marlin
Basically S1 and part of S2
toxic pewter
is that shadowlands recap or wat is that
strong forum
warlock is definitely a plate class
daring marlin
Ignore the purple class
daring marlin
lmaoooo
sweet summit
i am wrong
strong forum
same as boomkin is also a plate class
sweet summit
what the
strong forum
they have more armor than brew master monks
sweet summit
but monks are leather classes
strong forum
correct
uneven mason
they have more armor than brew master monks
More than ele shm using shield I think
modern brook
like this current season ive only done BH an FH cuz miss me with the rest
my mans got that 400 io
strong forum
i did force myself into a few other dungeons
just to have it done for the 2.5k particle effect
and free token
daring marlin
soda go eat
lucid pasture
soda go eat
holy fuck just ate
daring marlin
You need the FOOD
daring marlin
RECOVERY BRUV
modern brook
lmao ret
modern brook
ret 
lucid pasture
daring marlin
I need to stop falling for the ninja creami psyop
I'm afraid I'll impulse buy it next time I see it in a store!
uneven mason
Let's see the DF S1 recaps!
where do you find that little snippit
toxic pewter
shadowlands
strong forum
i think my df s1 recap is like 98 keys
xdd
40 of that on prevoker
cuz after week idk week 2 of the season i was already afk vault 1 key a week gamer
daring marlin
where do you find that little snippit
strong forum
Don't think it does
uneven mason
TFW it won't track my BFA review
strong forum
Skill issue
uneven mason
Oh derp because I changed what warrior I was playing
uneven mason
slands recap
taste the rainbow
lusty tiger
i wanted to try all the new tiersets!
i was very excited about them bringing tiersets back
uneven mason
Motivation to level my DID warrior to 70 I guess
uneven mason
WTF is this crap in the suggested build when they give you the gear upgrade on an unplayed character
(âŻÂ°âĄÂ°)âŻïž” â»ââ»
Also puts you in defensive stance
insulting
jagged pier
yes
lusty tiger
cant overcap rage if u never have any
uneven mason
cant overcap rage if u never have any
toxic pewter
does barbaric training revenge give us season 3 tier proc sort of like a ignore pain does or wat
gonna test it
lusty tiger
?
toxic pewter
IP seems to have a higher chance to proc fervid.. almost every ignore pain I use I get fervid
just trested 30 rage revenge and definitely did not grant fervid as much as IP does
hmmmmmmmmm
strong forum
No
It does not
Tierset is hardcoded which spell procs it
The "rage spent" part is bait
Slam and WW can't proc tierset at all
Every rage spending spell but IP is 15% proc chance regardless of how much rage you do actually spend
Ignore pain is 90% proc chance
strong forum
It's a sneaky way to force you to play properly
lucid pasture
slands recap
um sire
lusty tiger
Yeee
strong forum
Positive reinforcement bias
lusty tiger
has thou ever touched Poaceae
No
lucid pasture
đ«Ą
waxen frigate
Keep my god damn name out your mouth
toxic pewter
Every rage spending spell but IP is 15% proc chance regardless of how much rage ...
ok that explains that
i really thought it was related to rage
so the IP 90% is actually something we want you think
I guess we will be pressing it anyway
toxic pewter
ya can expect to do the ss into tc
strong forum
Yup
toxic pewter
it is better this way than more random i agree
strong forum
That's why I made the WA that's linked in pins
toxic pewter
ya i use it already its great
so this is intended by blizzard to be this way you think
i guess it is yea
strong forum
Given that nothing about the behaviour has changed
Despite 3 buffs/nerfs to the set
Yeah
toxic pewter
yeah true, I guess wording it any other way it is worded right now would be more confusing and weird
strong forum
They could say ignore pain has a high chance to grant to grant fervid
But then they'd miss out on the revenge and SB part
toxic pewter
so this makes barbaric training even worse than ever before if a 20 rage revenge is 15% and a 30 rage revenge is still 15%
lucid pasture
all my homies hate bt
strong forum
Preach
real wren
im late to the party but prot warrior s1 of dflight was a vibe
blazing condor
dam ppl actually play hella alts
real wren
variety is the spice of life
blazing condor
the real fun is degening yourself completely into one thing
immerse yourself obsessively into your craft
just to be slightly above average
uneven mason
just to be slightly above average
The dream
Prediction - next xpac will be dwarf centered and dwarves will get all sorts of new customization for earthen models
strong forum
Not that unusual of a prediction giving all the rumours of leaks n stuff
I'd welcome dwarfs
I miss ironforge being a viable hub
blazing condor
makes my fishing-in-ironforge character moer viable
uneven mason
I miss ironforge being a viable hub
We launch from the airstrip on top
real wren
the real fun is degening yourself completely into one thing
if I ever got into pushing keys again or just played more in general i'd probably agree but dflight season 1 was a pretty laid back season for me M+ wise
prot warrior was my most played there but it was only 112 keys it looks like
blazing condor
did CN / sanctum for tmog
got 1 piece of loot (boots)
meanwhile hunters always lucky
nimble skiff
Is it m+ 7 that gets the second affix?
Trying to figure out if I should go real baby key like 0-3 to tank or full send like a 6 (432 ilvl with 434 shield) 0 experience, trial by fire
strong forum
Eh
You don't learn if stuff doesn't do dmg
I'd atleast say 11-15 with that ilvl
But you do whatever you'd be comfortable with
nimble skiff
I just wanted a lower risk since I'd be going in learning how to pull
I set low expectations for myself cause I expect a shitshow
marsh tiger
If you just stay in d stance and press your buttons you can do 16s np
mighty valley
If you mean literally what buttons to press on a pull, you can do that a couple times on a training dummy before you go in
If you mean what to pull... you can really just walk forward in a line and do each pack one at a time in this season's dungeons
Don't need to get fancy in low keys
modern brook
a good litmus test is to W key your own keys until things start threatening you
then u can start throwing other peoples keys while learning
at 432 you can probably tank 11s without actually playing the class, tbh
nimble skiff
Okay cool, that's good to know that I won't be in any real danger
waxen frigate
im late to the party but prot warrior s1 of dflight was a vibe
I canât wait to see mine for this season
Iâve played quite a bit of different shit
uneven mason
at 432 you can probably tank 11s without actually playing the class, tbh
At 432 you can w a 16, I'm shit and I think uld is the only key that I have to use grey matter on, and I'm 437
As long as you have big shield pwar is press w
I mean we had bro's coming in here timing 20s with 30% uptime on SB and 70% wasted rage
jagged pier
Yer dont remind me
modern brook
Still sad revenge requires 1h. 2h prot is real đŠ
nimble skiff
You all make it seem so easy, lol
warm plinth
You all make it seem so easy, lol
My strategy is to do a couple of keys at a decent level but not one you're likely to brick as the tank (e.g. probably like an 11-13 at your ilevel) and log them. Then either go through them yourself or post them here to make sure you're doing things properly.
As far as pulling goes, pull a pack, see how it feels. If it feels comfortable, next time try pulling two packs (if it's convenient). But regardless, never pull 1 or 2 mobs at a time. If a "pack" is 2 mobs, combine it with something.
It's important to only pull what you're comfortable pulling but you need to challenge yourself to find out what the limit of that is.
modern brook
Another good litmus is if you can do you're rout without using shieldwall, it's too conservative
There's obviously some discussion to be had around optimizing cd usage but you should be trying to fit as many in as possible. You're tanking so you set the cadence so there isn't really an excuse to not have a cd when you need it.
mighty valley
The hardest thing at first is learning which casts and mechanics to look out for since absolutely none of that matters until it suddenly does
nimble skiff
My strategy is to do a couple of keys at a decent level but not one you're likel...
This really helps make things make sense for going about learning how to pull the dungeon
That breakdown really made it easy to figure itnout
mighty valley
I would say "rip the bandaid off" but i really doubt your first couple dungeons will even be painful
chilly brook
You all make it seem so easy, lol
Well in fairness it is in the grand scheme of things easy; youâre just not familiar with it so itâs more daunting to you than it is in reality
bleak breach
This really helps make things make sense for going about learning how to pull th...
Yep 100% what he said. If you over pull you will just brick the key, you also need dps and a healer capable of doing X level key too which is normally the issue.
Itâs all about muscle memory and repetition, if you donât do keys often they will seem like a nightmare, but once you start doing the same keys over and over youâll work out small tricks or patterns, if you go in the once a fortnight or month it will feel random.
chilly brook
I mean honestly if youâre just starting
Hold w and donât die
Pack to pack
Donât do anything fancy
99% of keys youâre going to do up to like 20s if you do that youâll be successful even if it annoys people
Once youâre comfortable start doing chain/multiple pulls etc.
bleak breach
Can still plus 2 most keys going pack to pack anyway, I rather play it safe in pugs. Big pulls cause big drama quick
uneven mason
Tbh the main issues a tank will face in m+
bleak breach
The upside of doing really high keys, youâre generally playing with really good players.
uneven mason
Is bad DPS getting scuffed ever time a mob farts at them
bleak breach
Yep
Kills your timer so quick when itâs just you and your healer every pack, or you have that one dps that has 10-15 deaths
uneven mason
Having to solo bosses because Jimmy the hunter eats AES like a fat kid locked in a candy store
bleak breach
Man, the amount of times my key was dead before we killed first boss in temple of jade serpent because people eat the frontal hha
uneven mason
Man, the amount of times my key was dead before we killed first boss in temple o...
"Ooo fizzy water, I'll stand in it"
People not understanding how the water boss works
lusty tiger
been farming +17s with my buddy and he goes dps i bdk, we can cover almost every stop and kick and I can just keep going barely ever dropping combat and we 2 chest 95% of our keys like that
uneven mason
Yup
lusty tiger
it is so free and ez
tbf, he is 3400 io this szn so we can get decently experienced pug alts
warm plinth
been farming +17s with my buddy and he goes dps i bdk, we can cover almost every...
Honestly best part of playing ppal is the sheer number of kicks
Can pull like 5 lashers at once in UR and handle them solo and if one does go off, I just dispel it lol
daring marlin
2h15m
lusty grotto
đ
lusty grotto
ye
lusty tiger
what gen v
daring marlin
I feel like this is every single banner misser
jagged gust
The hardest thing at first is learning which casts and mechanics to look out for...
Too true, I didn't even know you should interrupt Molten Core in Neltharus until I tried timing a 20
uneven mason
Too true, I didn't even know you should interrupt Molten Core in Neltharus until...
Yeah don't let that one cast
That's the spell that locked disrupting shout into my pug spec
bleak breach
Yeah thatâs a super important interrupt
jagged gust
When even I start to die I can't help but wonder if something might have gone wrong...
Also damn looks like warriors got robbed in the t-mog department next season again
toxic pewter
One of the biggest slaps in the face in all of my wow history prot getting zero patch notes
In all my years never thought I would see the day
lusty tiger
I need more execute nerfs coming from sl
Those are my favorite patch notes
Said no sane human being EVER
real fossil
guys whens the prot patch notes being released
lusty tiger
guys whens the prot patch notes being released
Yesterday
lusty grotto
Too true, I didn't even know you should interrupt Molten Core in Neltharus until...
but did you know, that the thaumaturges dont cast that at all if there are no earth eles present?
thats why after the first pull, that room is free
because aside from the roamer eles, and the ones on the last pack, there is nothing there
so you just play stops on thaumaturge for the targetting bs
strong forum
I need more execute nerfs coming from sl
Im so glad execute is finally borderline useless, I really hated getting that dopamine rush whenever something big hit 20% and I could triple my dps
( 
)
lusty tiger
Im so glad execute is finally borderline useless, I really hated getting that do...
FINALLY NOMEâs TRUE FEELINGS
let it out buddy
strong forum
Oh boy you ain't seen nothing about my true feelings
vital cape
how does prot feel for 10.2? Worth coming back to play?
vital cape
i stopped playing like a month into 10.0
so im not sure how its felt in the current patch
lusty grotto
nothing has changed at all
toxic pewter
You can say that again
vital cape
so... tanky af, meh damage?
mighty valley
next season's set bonus gives us strong st and less impressive aoe
toxic pewter
Are 10.2 raid bosses more st or bosses with lots adds and crap
mighty valley
i haven't looked into it but it's exceptionally rare to have major fights where prio damage isn't more important
lusty grotto
so... tanky af, meh damage?
playstyle based, nothing has changed
i dont remember having meh damage in s1
sure its lower now thanks to some tier bonuses being fucking stupid
lusty grotto
yeah but thats beside the point
vital cape
oh yeah
teal swift
Im so glad execute is finally borderline useless, I really hated getting that do...
Wait is execute bad now?
teal swift
It's on my 1 key LOL
bleak breach
I miss being able to triple my dps in execute phase
mighty valley
execute is mildly more worth pressing than revenge when you got nothing else going on
teal swift
Cause like execute Luul
toxic pewter
Isnât that with shaman totem we are good and without we are bad or something
teal swift
Damn
vital cape
dumb question... does the 2p set bonus affect other bleeds like from an enchant or a trinket or something?
teal swift
Blizzard needs to double prot execute damage obviously
strong forum
No only class bleeds
vital cape
yeah thatd make sense
strong forum
Blizzard needs to double prot execute damage obviously
Giving us back rage refund would be a great start
toxic pewter
Iâm a big mega supporter myself
teal swift
Giving us back rage refund would be a great start
Remove shield block cooldown would make me happy
Just let me freely spend my rage on it
mighty valley
?
toxic pewter
teal swift
Instead of jumping through uptime hoops
mighty valley
uptime is brainless these days
teal swift
I got my warrior to 70 then started playing other shit lmao
strong forum
Just Hammer at it
mighty valley
you've got IP as your "spend rage whenever you want" button
teal swift
Err
strong forum
Pwar is the 2nd most easy tank to play now
strong forum
Pwar has literally turned into 0 thought
Just everything on CD
Everything everywhere all at once
The spec
vital cape
i dont mind that at all
strong forum
The only "decision making" you do is ignore pain
Which is also the secret to how to do dps
vital cape
i dont play often enough to memorize routes and shit so having an easy class gives me more brain-space to focus on the dungeon
strong forum
Is just ignore pain
No I understand that an easy tank is a more well received tank
By teh overwhelming majority
teal swift
Pwar has literally turned into 0 thought
Hope it is good next season
strong forum
It's just a bit sad for me
strong forum
Next season pwar takes a smidgeon more thought, but not alot
teal swift
Wtf am I going to sim
bleak breach
Haha
bleak breach
Itâs just how it always is
teal swift
I would expect 80% of the player base to get ksm if they did keys
lusty grotto
number is way lower than that
teal swift
How
lusty grotto
by a huge margin
teal swift
I'm actually a shit player
vital cape
I'm actually a shit player
me too
teal swift
And I'm timing 15-17 keys without effort or routing
vital cape
lol
teal swift
I'm literally just pulling and trying to find where the bosses are
lusty grotto
not a lot of the player base runs keys
strong forum
Have you seen classic players?
teal swift
And getting lost
daring marlin
strong forum
They're your average gamers
lusty grotto
not a lot of the player base cares about ksm
daring marlin
Have you seen classic players?
THIS
strong forum
People dying to fall dmg and drowning
teal swift
Have you seen classic players?
Have you seen my p1 p2 parses in vanilla
teal swift
Partly true
strong forum
The entire inverse of retail
teal swift
Main tank go brrr
Infinite rage
Hit heroic strike
Bond to scroll wheel
Win win win
It's not gear tho, it's actually killtimes
So you kind of need everyone to wbuff
strong forum
Well that's always the case
teal swift
And run 500 warriors
I quit after aq40
Fury prot for mc
Then went and played resto shaman
To get gg parses as a healer LOL
bleak breach
Most people with low parses now either have the wrong build or wrong gear that Iâve seen. If youâve got both right youâre normally near purple.
Whatâs the player base like on classic? Iâve never even opened it
jagged gust
I usually parse purple as prot but as arms I have BIS and a perfect build, apparently I'm just shit at playing DPS
lusty grotto
hard to say because youre competing with 450 ilvl ashkandurs
mighty valley
dps is often more challenged to keep uptime between mechanics too
bleak breach
I think dps classes can be a bit different, but as prot itâs so simple that if youâre doing the right thing youâll get a decent parse
mighty valley
easier to be bad at than tanks who are generally just in the boss's face
bleak breach
As Nim said, youâre competing with mythic geared guys
jagged gust
too true
bleak breach
Fury is much more simple then arms
teal swift
Most people with low parses now either have the wrong build or wrong gear that I...
Every tank can purple parse with reasonable gear
Just by hitting correct buttons
No cheese, just hitting buttons correctly
daring marlin
@lusty grotto it's time bro
teal swift
Nimmy can I have hug
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
ill watch it tonight, i just got a trial run in a few
and my isp is apparently having diarrhea
id rather have it 4k reliably
on*
bleak breach
Every tank can purple parse with reasonable gear
Thatâs what I said
lusty grotto
nome did you see the gholak nerfs?
lusty grotto
strong forum
It's joever
lusty grotto
well signet also got hit
strong forum
Now the weapon only does like 3800dps instead of 4000
And signet brand only 10k instead of 12k dps
lusty grotto
ye
strong forum
In the dirt smh
sacred field
hey im new prot you think they can be viable in pvp with new tier set
lusty grotto
unless its rated bgs i guess
strong forum
The only tanks who are "viable" are druids and paladins due to their healing capabilites
I don't rate BGs as pvp
bleak breach
Is arms still the go to for pvp?
strong forum
They're pve with extra steps
lusty grotto
idk how the new tier would work out on pvp honestly, you cant apply a lot of bleeds anyway
teal swift
I just wanna find the class I like to do everything on
lusty grotto
that too
strong forum
And every trinket
bleak breach
For pvp yes
teal swift
If I'm playing Slimegirl
bleak breach
Warrior dps is nice
teal swift
She's prot
teal swift
I'll just solo Q as prot
toxic pewter
Need compensation
teal swift
They have some solo shuffle thing now
sacred field
out of the tanks which spec does the most st damage? for 10.2
lusty grotto
ugh
teal swift
out of the tanks which spec does the most st damage? for 10.2
Depends if the legendary 2h is OP
sacred field
i like how the prot plays
bleak breach
You can if you like yuzu, but heâs asking for advice on which spec to play for pvp
toxic pewter
Cinco de leggo gonna be the meta
bleak breach
So probably arms
jagged gust
The quest item is gonna be a personal drop, yeah?
teal swift
You can if you like yuzu, but heâs asking for advice on which spec to play for p...
Just go ret paladin or arms
toxic pewter
Yes I coined that phrase
teal swift
Ret paladin if you have brain damage
lusty grotto
teal swift
Arms if you wanna be brown boi
toxic pewter
That the new meta comp
sacred field
can u got haste crit with fury
quiet kite
no
bleak breach
Did they buff Ret? They werenât doing that well in pvp last I checked
lusty grotto
fury is mastery haste
sacred field
what about arms
quiet kite
haste crit
bleak breach
Arms crit heavy
quiet kite
how is prot looking next season ?
jagged gust
My prot and arms set are perfectly balanced, it's beautiful, all I have to do is switch my oce covenant
sacred field
i was hoping the prot did a lot of damage
teal swift
how is prot looking next season ?
All tanks are fine
sacred field
but alas
jagged gust
prot looking tanky asf which I appreciate
teal swift
There's 3 tanks
- Op meta
- 4 in middle
- Brewmaster
lusty grotto
a lot of damage in pvp? thats hard to say, we're not pvp focused in this channel
also
versa whoring for pvp...
strong forum
Pvp is all about vers
quiet kite
but for mdi pulls prot tier set isnt really relevant, no ?
sacred field
i see i just speculating cuz of tier set again im new to wow in general
cosmic wyvern
0 changes for prot next season, weâre entirely dependent on our tier
bleak breach
Whatâs mdi
lusty grotto
but for mdi pulls prot tier set isnt really relevant, no ?
what do you mean
cosmic wyvern
Whatâs mdi
A primitive music file format
lusty grotto
what prot set? the current one?
bleak breach
0 changes for prot next season, weâre entirely dependent on our tier
Weâve had some slight buffs along the way
bleak breach
Yes
sacred field
yeah
cosmic wyvern
Weâve had some slight buffs along the way
They released the final patch notes for 10.2, prot doesnât even get a mention đŠ
strong forum
Prot is looking to be the same as nwo, except you get more prio dmg and 14% DR with 80% uptime
teal swift
Pvp is all about vers
I feel craft, everything what's a sim
strong forum
Deem that as you will
toxic pewter
0 changes for prot next season, weâre entirely dependent on our tier
Thatâs incorrect information
bleak breach
They released the final patch notes for 10.2, prot doesnât even get a mention đŠ
Na they already got some earier in ptr
teal swift
Yuzu tanks because she can't DPS LUL
strong forum
Na they already got some earier in ptr
Pwar is getting 0 changes in 10.2
teal swift
I'm actually not even that bad as a tank, but damn I feel inferior to all my peers
strong forum
Aside from tierset
toxic pewter
We getting nerfed
bleak breach
How are we getting nerfed apb
teal swift
Make prot Warrior worst tank again
cosmic wyvern
Yeah if we got anything on 10.2 ptr it was reverted
sacred field
i heard they nerfed the tierset
teal swift
We have too many players
cosmic wyvern
Because we ainât getting SHIT
sacred field
it does 40% now
toxic pewter
33%-50% nerf to rally amount and a nerf to possible longer time
sacred field
it was doing 100
bleak breach
40% of a lot is still a lot
bleak breach
33%-50% nerf to rally amount and a nerf to possible longer time
Rally isnât a nerf to us apb
strong forum
Ah right rally nerf, but that's warrior overall, not prot
bleak breach
All raid cds got nerfed
toxic pewter
Rally isnât a nerf to us apb
Wat world u live in where that is true
lusty grotto
no next tier
why wouldnt it be relevant for MDI pulls?
strong forum
If they nerf everything, nothing is nerfed
quiet kite
so for (imagine) 15 mob pull we will need to focus on the one doing the more dmg to proc the tier set ?
bleak breach
Fury and arms got the same thing
sacred field
i mean prot sucks again magic should do more damage....
strong forum
so for (imagine) 15 mob pull we will need to focus on the one doing the more dmg...
Well yeah? That's always hwo it works
bleak breach
Weâre fine
sacred field
against*
bleak breach
Spell reflect is good
toxic pewter
That would be true if they were all even but most have party buff these days including darkness
bleak breach
Def stance if you need and shield wall has a short cd
cosmic wyvern
NGL prot is cool but Iâm kinda jealous of my dh cotank being able to raw dog the first 2 hits of Mythic Rashokâs combo with 0 defensives and not even go below 80
bleak breach
That would be true if they were all even but most have party buff these days inc...
We have battle shout
sacred field
^^^
cosmic wyvern
Prot just feels like Iâm playing on hard mode vs other tanks tbh
strong forum
NGL prot is cool but Iâm kinda jealous of my dh cotank being able to raw dog the...
"0 defensives"
yeah uhuh
lusty grotto
so for (imagine) 15 mob pull we will need to focus on the one doing the more dmg...
i feel youre confused about how it works, the DR goes on you so it applies to all mobs
strong forum
its not like he has 80% uptime on 40% DR+ soulcrush stacked into the heavens
nuh-uh
quiet kite
i feel youre confused about how it works, the DR goes on you so it applies to al...
ahhhhhhh
cosmic wyvern
Well I mean no active defensives
strong forum
literally has tho?
cosmic wyvern
Like he doesnât have to rely on something like shield wall
quiet kite
alright i was missing the major part
final mist
That's because DH doesn't have something like SW
It's still something he has to actively do to reduce damage
strong forum
VDH is built around soulcrush, fiery brand (which is their shield wall btw)
and fel dev
they just have 80% uptime on their shield wall
ITS LITERALLY THEIR ACTIVE DEFENSIVE
cosmic wyvern
Idk man when I occasionally need an external to take those two hits even with all my defensives up I get jealous of the dhs
final mist
Can't just walk in willy nilly and expect Spirit Bomb to solve all their problems yknow
lusty grotto
and when they dont, they just flat out get deleted
strong forum
pwar is quite literally one of the strongest tanks vs rasholk
lusty grotto
đ
strong forum
also
sacred field
interesting
strong forum
why do you think
we have defensives?
you dont get a medal for saying "hah i dont even need to play my class"
using defensives is quite literally
cosmic wyvern
pwar is quite literally one of the strongest tanks vs rasholk
How so? The rock attack is like a light tap but the fire one sometimes chunks me
strong forum
what you should do
lusty grotto
so spell block?
strong forum
How so? The rock attack is like a light tap but the fire one sometimes chunks me
because you have SW and Spellblock
you rotate both
and are immortal
cosmic wyvern
Can it be spellblocked?
lusty grotto
... yes
cosmic wyvern
Oh shit you know what I forgot about spellblock
lusty grotto
cosmic wyvern
Fuck I always forget about spellblock
strong forum
pwar is one of the strongest tanks this tier vs rashok, echo of nelth
and sarkareth
you can tank all those bosses with 420 ilvl on pwar
without breaking a sweat
final mist
less tbh
bleak breach
Def stance spell reflect and an ip charge and youâll be fine anyway
strong forum
not to sit on them and pretend youre weak
dont do it like the BDKs
who play a suboptimal talent build
to then not use defensives properly
sacred field
i just want more damage lol
sick sentinel
to then not use defensives properly
is this me
strong forum
well youre in luck
cosmic wyvern
Bdk defensives are weird
sacred field
but then again would not be a tank
strong forum
pwar looks to be on the strong side offensively in raid next patch
solid top2
but thats pure ST
sacred field
number 1?
strong forum
no
cosmic wyvern
I was playing a bdk alt for a bit at one point because I was bored and I was getting pretty confused because all the guides for bdk insisted that youâre supposed to use all of your defensives on CD, regardless of incoming damage
jagged gust
you can tank all those bosses with 420 ilvl on pwar
you can
quiet kite
There's 3 tanks
1. Op meta
2. 4 in middle
3. Brewmaster
what op meta and why brew apart ?
strong forum
I was playing a bdk alt for a bit at one point because I was bored and I was get...
thats not what theyre saying
whats being said is
use your defensives often, to make use of them
theres no gain in sitting on your 2 or 3 min CD of IBF
for 15minutes
teal swift
what op meta and why brew apart ?
Brew has stagger. It's auto good in raid
strong forum
or lichborne
teal swift
Brew has stagger it's auto shit in keys
strong forum
the whole logic to using defensive CDs is like this in m+
strong forum
"do i need them specifically for something soon or not"
teal swift
Without it being way too broken on raid
toxic pewter
100% effective outside of raid:
healing tide totem
Darkness
Tranquility
Divine hymn
Rewind
Revival
Meanwhile rallying cry, nerfed and zero compensation for party content
cosmic wyvern
Yeah in m+ I just tend to pop my shield wall on cooldown as long as Iâm in combat with 3 or more dudes
Help out the healers a bit
teal swift
Yeah in m+ I just tend to pop my shield wall on cooldown as long as Iâm in comba...
I use shield wall to cover downtime in shield block
sick sentinel
like, if im playing some jrpg game, im just gunna stack him with armor points and health points and dodge crap to the moon
teal swift
But idk if there is downtime anymore
strong forum
we dont have that anymore yuzu
cosmic wyvern
I use shield wall to cover downtime in shield block
You have downtime in shield block?
sick sentinel
stack the tank of the group i mean
strong forum
we can talent into talents
teal swift
You have downtime in shield block?
Idk
final mist
healers dont really focus tanks with healing anymore
strong forum
that allow us for 250% block uptime
teal swift
Havnt played it since shadowlands
final mist
you have to try real hard to let SB drop
sacred field
is parry better than block?
strong forum
yes
final mist
technically yes but also no
cosmic wyvern
Just make yourself a nice weakaura that plays a noticeable sound when you have around 3 seconds left on your shield block
teal swift
is parry better than block?
Yesnt
cosmic wyvern
Takes about five minutes
sacred field
whaat????
teal swift
Different things
strong forum
parry reduces dmg by 100% and prevents debuff application
bleak breach
Party is better
strong forum
block is just flat dmg reduction
final mist
parry means you take no damage, but parrying is RNG. that doesnt mean you want one over the other (and you want crit anyways for damage)
bleak breach
Parry*
bleak breach
Block is 100% reliable though
strong forum
thats the difference ye
you can have 100% block
but you cant have 100% parry
unless youre vdh next patch
sacred field
why not crazy crit?
final mist
i.e. both reduce damage, parry damage reduction over time averages out to be more or less on the same level as block and armor and such
strong forum
Parry DRs
cosmic wyvern
Parry and dodge are basically the same thing, neither can be stats on gear so they all come from class specific shit
strong forum
you can maybe hope to reach 40% parry with insane crit investment
sacred field
u cant get 50% crit
cosmic wyvern
you can maybe hope to reach 40% parry with insane crit investment
See, but then Iâd have to sacrifice haste
sick sentinel
i wonder if the big news for blizzcon is they are going to announce wow VR
final mist
even if you can get 50% crit, that doesn't mean you have 50% parry
strong forum
yeah parry DRs instantly
you get less parry the more crit you add
BUT
parry gains more value the more parry you add
same goes for armor
teal swift
parry gains more value the more parry you add
Can you explain
cosmic wyvern
I wish parry was a stat on gear again
teal swift
3% parry should be same value at 0% and 47%
sacred field
i dont numbers but i had like 50% cuz i thouhgt it would be then my gear change i got mostly crit and haste and im doing alot better
strong forum
is not the same as when you go from 47% to 50%
sick sentinel
i wish that it returned back to you cant touch the divine and your not meant to see the truly unpseakable
sacred field
mastery
strong forum
because youre removing an additional 3% of the remaining 50%, not 3% of 100%
same goes for armor
lets use a simpler example
going from 98 to 99% dmg reduction
sacred field
my parry is at 25% right now with 27 crit
strong forum
is a 50% increase in damage reduction
teal swift
If something swings for 100
And you parry 3% of the time you take 3 less damage on average
If you parry at 50% rather than 47%
You take 3 less damage
It's why I'm having trouble following along
strong forum
you literally half the dmg
that you take
by going from 98 to 99% damage reduction
sacred field
hmm
teal swift
Oh relative rather than absolute value
strong forum
yeup
sacred field
when does the parry dr kick in?
final mist
đ
strong forum
instantly
teal swift
thats why i used the simple response
Nomer taking time to educate my dent ass
strong forum
parry DRs right out the gate
teal swift
simple answer
final mist
its alright, youre a warrior, i know
sacred field
that sucks
strong forum
always did
teal swift
its alright, youre a warrior, i know
I play every tank but ye
strong forum
but that doesnt mean parry is any less good than it ever was
final mist
we're all warriors at heart here, no matter what we may currently be maining
final mist
unless any of us are bears
teal swift
Very slight nuances lmaoo
final mist
in which case you remember how I feel about bears
jagged gust
Actually it's even worse for me, I'm a hunter at heart
teal swift
unless any of us are bears
Bears are opposite to BrM
Bears feel great in keys,
Bad in raid
final mist
yeah but brm has funny cool kung fu so they get a pass
jagged gust
bear never feels bad. Oh is this boss gonna hurt? Let me pop one of my 6 DR abilities i guess
bleak breach
Remember when we had party and dodge on gear
lusty grotto
yeah idk about that
sacred field
my question is then what is tankiest non tank class?
teal swift
Idk bear single target rotation in shadowlands
bleak breach
Or defensive rating
strong forum
my question is then what is tankiest non tank class?
uuuh...
teal swift
Was deapair
lusty grotto
bears feeling bad thing, doesnt seem like its the case
strong forum
probably fury warrior?
final mist
i'm old enough to remember when prot warriors didnt use shields
strong forum
or warlock
final mist
or even spec into prot
strong forum
the 2 war classes
mighty valley
yeah warlocks never fucking die
strong forum
are usually the tankiest DPS
teal swift
my question is then what is tankiest non tank class?
Something with a cheat death
strong forum
mage is also disgusting
jagged gust
Lock is pretty strong, extra hp, tons of self heal and shields, ranged to avoid 80% of mechanics
teal swift
Ret paladin is insanely tanky
strong forum
cuz they have literally 7 defensives
teal swift
Has huge sustsjn
strong forum
ret pally also very tanky now ye
lusty grotto
yup
teal swift
And a button that makes you immortal for 8s
final mist
arms is very much not tanky
teal swift
4 defensive cooldown 3 self heals
final mist
fury is as long as it can hit something
final mist
ret, rogue specs are strong defensively melee, warlock, mages
sacred field
you guys/girls are a good grp of people thank you for answering this ill informed noob
strong forum
boomkin is also illegaly tanky in pvp
teal swift
you guys/girls are a good grp of people thank you for answering this ill informe...
Afaik there's like 2 girls that play warriors
:kekw:
I'm one of them
lusty grotto
i mean catfriend was one also, but she's doing other things
jagged gust
like 99% of the people who play war I've met on discord are late 20s early 30s with bushy beards and usually a large mustache
sacred field
another question the new legendary would fury be able dual wield 2 of them?
final mist
no
teal swift
another question the new legendary would fury be able dual wield 2 of them?
Yes, but you can't get the quest twice
cosmic wyvern
another question the new legendary would fury be able dual wield 2 of them?
How the fuck you gonna get the second one
âHey Fyrakk can you have your guys make another axe pls :3â
teal swift
Unless it says unique, you can wear two, but you can't source 2 unless private server or gm
sacred field
noob i dont know anything just learning
sacred field
im a noob
jagged gust
If we can kill fyrakk, you'd think we could intimidate the people who made his axe
final mist
unless we kill them to get to fyrakk
jagged gust
This discord took me from not knowing I could have 100% SB uptime to getting KSH in a single season
lusty grotto
the only legendary that was duel wielded was glaives, but that's because there were 2 of them
all 2 handers are unique
sacred field
does anyone know what the weapon does?
lusty grotto
all legendary 2 handers i mean
no we dont
we will once it drops for the WF guilds
jagged gust
turns us into a fiery boi and shoot aoe flames
lusty grotto
which will be in... about 3 to 4 weeks, or 2 to 3 weeks after the patch hits
sacred field
does it drop or just the reciepe
strong forum
we dont know anything about the weapon except that its kinda quest related and only str classes can get it
jagged gust
Nah, some nobody running raid finder is gonna be the first to get the drop
final mist
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to drain a
SoulLiving Flame Fragment granting you 30 Strength. When you have acquired 10SoulLiving Flame Fragments you will unleashChaosAmirdrassil's Bane, dealing 1900 to 2100 Shadowflame damage split between all enemies within 15 yards and granting you 270 Strength for 10 sec.
strong forum
nah i think itll be like evoker leggo
lusty grotto
lmaoooo sal
jagged gust
told you, turn into a fiery boi and shoot aoe flames
sacred field
thats kinda cool they made it like that
teal swift
it wont be able to be obtained until first CE kill of the region
So we cheer for limit
final mist
smh
jagged gust
for shame nim
strong forum
So we cheer for limit <:keks:936231610850897992>
never
lusty grotto
its been a while sal đŠ
strong forum
i only cheered for limit a bit when vil was in limit
teal swift
Sometimes I think I should've rerolled eu
jagged gust
and yeah the crossouts kinda gave it away lol
sacred field
only tank taht can use it is bdk?
final mist
i heard "they're making a 2H str axe lego" and went "ya effect is 1000% just gonna be Shadowmourne 2.0"