On Dk i played 27 and won 10 games
#protection
pallid quiver
I'm actually pretty fond of BGs overall, since I like objective game mode stuff,
blazing condor
pog depression
hardy snow
its dumb and fun at once, when your team is holding whole enemy group at their resp and you just run with flag on empty map 
pallid quiver
I forgot solo shuffle is a thing and so I didn't even bother because I don't know anyone to do arenas with
opaque quest
its dumb and fun at once, when your team is holding whole enemy group at their r...
Then it happens to you 
jagged pier
memeber when pvpers said solo would be great so they can solo queue when their team isnt online then play with their team after
well i do
but they just never played with their team
opaque quest
Just give me CM again with the color variations we didnt get in MoP
Like red brown gold Pala
opaque quest
Everytime i play my Roommates Mage i get so salty i only did mage for him
It looks so good
And i missed it
On Warr i no longer use it, i use T3
On Druid i use TOS MM
There are defo better Sets these days
blazing condor
warrior CM didnt really look that good
and order hall recolor is fine
but other sets were dam cool
opaque quest
Blizz shouldve given order hall sets full effects and just made it exact copies
Gutting the Pala shoulders for example is a joke
uneven mason
Who cares about paladins though
pallid quiver
Charlemagne
waxen frigate
memeber when pvpers said solo would be great so they can solo queue when their t...
PvPers
brittle owl
Who cares about paladins though
ur mom LMAO
uneven mason
My mom found out I played a ranger and burned my ad&d books, maybe if I had been a paladin instead
lusty tiger
When’s 2s?
waxen frigate
Whenever
dusky canopy
Is the t3 mog still millions or did the market get flooded?
jagged pier
well it will always be millions
because of the vendor items
u can got check AH for the other half of stuff
but thats probs at least 500k
still
the pieces are rare and ppl arent really buying thme cause they dont have 2.8 mil to spare
so the markets not realy moving
jagged pier
thats your opinion
plush tendon
hardy snow
its cheap now
pieces costs 5-15k each
I've recently bought this set and almost 30 crafted shields and spent only 300k
blazing condor
Its just very basic death knight armor
Theres a ton of that in wotlk
Blue plate
uneven mason
Wotlk still has some of the best armor IMO
Would love some high res versions of the DK and questing plate
mighty valley
the problem is that the dk starting zone set is the best one and they've never beat it
blazing condor
Yeah p much
Immersion-wise it felt real good
The whole journey from evil to freed
mighty valley
while wearing the sickest evil guy armor of all time hell yeah
uneven mason
while wearing the sickest evil guy armor of all time hell yeah
The red recolor from naxx 
sick sentinel
i think what made 2004 wow so good was that it was, you got filtered by basic mechanics
took 2 hours to clear the dungeon, everything starts to respawn and you have to kill it again.
dungeon is dead
we weren't strong enough to take it over
or like, all it took to kill you, was 2 frost skeleton mages spamming frost bolt or some cleave or a debuff
void grail
6127 haste = 35,44% haste. is it better to go crit or vers? do i have some penalty on my hasate
strong forum
Even with the 10% DR on haste, it's only 187 points to get 1% haste
When it takes 180 points to get 1% crit and 205 points to get 1% vers
Ultimately you can just sim, but 6.1k haste is perfectly fine
void grail
Ultimately you can just sim, but 6.1k haste is perfectly fine
Thaks mate! I had Treemouth's Festering Splinter ilvl 437 and got Ominous Chromatic Essence 441 and charge it with haste. guess that´s better
waxen frigate
Would love some high res versions of the DK and questing plate
High res low fantasy armor 🙏
waxen frigate
Me triangulating the perfect trajectory to kiss jeree
lusty tiger
strong forum
lusty grotto
lmao
jagged pier
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
hollow flower
I wanna Pick Up a Ranged dd any recommendations?
sick sentinel
icyviens predicting balance druid might be good
lusty grotto
bm hunter is also a safe pick
lusty grotto
but i wouldnt go balance, feral is kinda broken atm
hollow flower
bm hunter is also a safe pick
I wanna know how Ranged suffer so bm Hunter would be a cheat
sick sentinel
he wants to play ranged tho
daring marlin
balance owns
hollow flower
Also more about what feels nice to Play damage is a lesser concerne
lusty grotto
i guess you mean a casting ranged?
hollow flower
Yeah
sick sentinel
good boomkin is rare
hollow flower
Good druid is Rare
lusty grotto
hard to predict what you'll enjoy
this
uneven mason
Prediction of arms warriors are always wrong
hollow flower
Thats why i ask fellow prot Warriors what they enjoy
toxic pewter
Ele shaman or mm hunter my favorites
tepid orchid
Hello, can somone tell me why rend is a sugested talent point but its not included in rotation on icey cains and wowhead ?
daring marlin
Hello, can somone tell me why rend is a sugested talent point but its not includ...
tclap applies
mighty valley
Hello, can somone tell me why rend is a sugested talent point but its not includ...
read the talent "blood and thunder"
lusty grotto
read blood and thunder
uneven mason
Hello, can somone tell me why rend is a sugested talent point but its not includ...
Because if you have rend thunderclap applies it
tepid orchid
Thanks!
hollow flower
Ele shaman or mm hunter my favorites
Is mm Hunter a Casting Ranged?
mighty valley
Thats why i ask fellow prot Warriors what they enjoy
I like fire mage, ele shaman is pretty fun
mm hunter might as well be a caster
toxic pewter
Is mm Hunter a Casting Ranged?
Oh for caster I prefer ele shaman, aff lock
lusty grotto
because if you do, you do not want to go ele
uneven mason
Thats why i ask fellow prot Warriors what they enjoy
Tanking
toxic pewter
Go try frost mage. Was recently reworked
hollow flower
Meta doesnt matter
I never played anything except prot warri and a Bit of bear and have a hard time to decide
lusty grotto
just pick whatever honestly
tepid orchid
and revenge is always better then worlwind ?
lusty grotto
we cant really tell what you will like
hollow flower
and revenge is always better then worlwind ?
NEVER Cast whirehind
lusty grotto
and revenge is always better then worlwind ?
remove whirlwind from your bars
hollow flower
Same goes for slam
tepid orchid
this is to eaasy 🙂
uneven mason
and revenge is always better then worlwind ?
@dusky canopy
lusty grotto
lmaooo
toxic pewter
Go try the specs you can make trial characters
lusty grotto
agreed
hollow flower
True forgot about that
uneven mason
Almost want a pin of the "because revenge isn't 360" great debate
Been a while since we had some good 
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
bon appetit jeree
uneven mason
Load that protein
mighty valley
revenge is 360 because when i see it on my bar i turn 360 degrees and walk away
lusty tiger
Load that protein
Hell yeah brother!
uneven mason
revenge is 360 because when i see it on my bar i turn 360 degrees and walk away
Oshit, youngsters won't know that one
lusty grotto
damn zoomers
mighty valley
lusty grotto
lmaooooooo
uneven mason
daring marlin
Load that protein
All I see is 100g of fat in that picture!
hardy snow
first reclear is going good so far, finally got mythic anvil 
uneven mason
All I see is 100g of fat in that picture!
Fat isn't the enemy
lusty grotto
congrats Jawor
i still need it on chip, but at least chipadin has iit
the mythic version i mean
lusty grotto
the best
uneven mason
Just gotta burn it before you store it
daring marlin
I love muh carbs tho
uneven mason
The enemy
I gotta get back to full keto but I don't wanna go through the week long migraine that comes with breaking my bodies reliance on carbs
uneven mason
Yeah both times I went cold turkey on the carbs
daring marlin
same, as close to zero as possible
uneven mason
Blinding headaches
daring marlin
Did that for...6 months? shed weight like crazy
But I was also in a crazy caloric deficit coupled with biking 10 miles daily
uneven mason
Lost 60 lbs last time
daring marlin
I cut 60lbs over the past year just doing a 500 deficit
uneven mason
Only gained like 20 of that back, but wanna get back below 220
daring marlin
Lost some pressing strength initially but gained it back
lusty tiger
Why not too much fat?
uneven mason
Yeah, when you're used to the instant energy from sugars the body has to adjust
lusty tiger
I LOVE BUTTER AND OIL
lusty grotto
me too!
chilly brook
Butter is BiS
daring marlin
I generally avoid refined sugar but other carbs are fair game for me
uneven mason
Fats are fine as long as you're not cooking like Paula Dean
daring marlin
butter owns
wdym I don't just throw two sticks in for everything?
instant 2k calories?????
A good example of how good butter really is: Lobster
daring marlin
MFs psyopped into thinking it's rich people food
lusty tiger
Maybe I need to start making peanut butter & butter bagel sandwiches
lusty tiger
Don’t u dare diss my Chinese food again or else
lusty grotto
Butter basting steaks
waxen frigate
On god don’t u dare diss my kitten’s Chinese food again or else
lusty tiger
lusty tiger
😻
daring marlin
weirdbois
lusty tiger
💀
lusty tiger
Chonky
lusty grotto
the instant fuck this shit im out is what gets me
kinda like last night 🙂
👀 apb + nish
waxen frigate
nish why are you popping off
Reach for my neck and I’ll turn you into an example
toxic pewter
whoever designed 'drakthyr' should be removed from blizzard
lusty grotto
Reach for my neck and I’ll turn you into an example
toxic pewter
will go down as one of the worst designed things in wow history
waxen frigate
This shit ain’t nothing to me man
lusty grotto
this is a take i can get behind apb
lusty grotto
This shit ain’t nothing to me man
toxic pewter
yeah let them fly too
waxen frigate
I think nimchip had amnesia
toxic pewter
like what the fuck is going on here
lusty grotto
and not sexually, unfortunately
waxen frigate
Because he seems to have forgotten that I’m Him
mighty valley
apb's list of things that will go down in history as the worst thing that ever happened to world of warcraft is expanding
toxic pewter
Because he seems to have forgotten that I’m Him
are you a multiple personality of nimchip
lusty grotto
I think nimchip had amnesia
oh no pls dont gaslight me 😦
toxic pewter
apb's list of things that will go down in history as the worst thing that ever h...
lol
chilly brook
and not sexually, unfortunately
Nimchip scalie confirmed
mighty valley
why's it gotta be that dramatic, man
toxic pewter
I mean it is just truth
mighty valley
why not just "i don't like dracthyr much"
lusty grotto
well i kind of agree with apb here, the darkthyr are just ugly as fuck
i have to perma illusion evokechip
toxic pewter
why not just "i don't like dracthyr much"
because I have a moral obligation to speak the truth if I do not I will die
mighty valley
i know some people that really like the dracthyr, are they liars to be cast into hell
daring marlin
It's a shame they can't just stay in their humanlike form
Like with a glyph ala boomie
toxic pewter
i know some people that really like the dracthyr, are they liars to be cast into...
I mean, those people are more victims to blizzards poor design choice is my point
it is just truth that blizzard fucked up
and it will go down in history as such
lusty grotto
yea well, i use the thingie that turns you back into their visage but as soon as you hit the cast while running cd that i fucking dont remember the name off youre back to ugly land
daring marlin
A lot of things apb says will go down in history...hmmm
lusty tiger
It's a shame they can't just stay in their humanlike form
Been wondering why tf they don’t have this
lusty tiger
A lot of things apb says will go down in history...hmmm
I have already saved the best one
waxen frigate
i know some people that really like the dracthyr, are they liars to be cast into...
I’m going to choke out nimchip with one hand and apb with the other, allowing their vision to fade until the Archangels arrive to carry them into the afterlife.
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty tiger
Epic ending
toxic pewter
I mean from the transmog situation, dragon form itself, lack of dragon riding as dragon, cannot choose a form to stay in, just all around shitty 'look'. it just feels bad at this point
mighty valley
all of their animations are custom made for the dracthyr rig and would likely not work on the elf rig
toxic pewter
even the look of the humanoid form is quite offputting
lusty grotto
everyone would rather be one of these
waxen frigate
everyone would rather be one of these
Would
toxic pewter
I’m going to choke out nimchip with one hand and apb with the other, allowing th...
u want go
toxic pewter
meanwhile I am a known Vulpera enjoyer for the record
I have nothing against scalies etc
lusty tiger
I would be ok having scuffed animations just by simply being able to do everything on an evoker, looking like a night elf
waxen frigate
u want go
Do you have any idea who you’re fucking with? I will fucking massacre you. I’m talking scorched earth mother fucker.
lusty grotto
xD
lusty tiger
Dam apb and yogi are furries
toxic pewter
Do you have any idea who you’re fucking with? I will fucking massacre you. I’m t...
Lol
where u copy that from
mighty valley
apb: blizzard should create art, without caring about the loud public opinion
also apb: blizzard should have designed dracthyr to appeal to public opinion (mine)
waxen frigate
Dam apb and yogi are furries
Good, then I can turn apb into my fucking rug and walk all over him even more
lusty grotto
furry mates
toxic pewter
apb: blizzard should create art, without caring about the loud public opinion
al...
I am a well known art enjoyer, it is true
Vulpera actually turned out to be quite a good race
they have good animations
lusty grotto
hehe
mighty valley
vulpera are good but extremely safe, they're just little fox people, no risk in that at all
mighty valley
except for the risk in offending wow's anti-cute weirdos
toxic pewter
they are not trying to cosplay as something they are not
like drakthyr are
like bitch u aint no dragon LOL
lusty tiger
U DONT KNOE ME
toxic pewter
Good, then I can turn apb into my fucking rug and walk all over him even more
cash me ousside org
waxen frigate
Vulpera actually turned out to be quite a good race
I will rain down holy fire upon your lands, spread blight amongst your crops, poison your waters, and cripple your population. I will purge you with the searing heat of Justice until you are nothing but a flutter of ashes, gently falling to the ground before scattering into the wind to be forgotten.
mighty valley
i miss when apb had brave takes that challenged the mainstream
modern apb just parrots reddit takes
lusty tiger
Dam if apb goes missing we will know why
toxic pewter
i miss when apb had brave takes that challenged the mainstream
:/
mighty valley
i hope we get apb classic+
toxic pewter
maybe u r right I am washed up
waxen frigate
Meanwhile I have not only been Him, but I am Him, and I will continue to be Him.
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
cinder storm
I remember when apb was so unhinged that Mwahi had to step in
toxic pewter
which time
lusty grotto
apb is the comeback kid
cinder storm
Hasn't been the same since but at least we still have him
lusty grotto
yes this true
toxic pewter
waxen frigate
Every atom that makes up your body, every neutron and proton, even down to your electrons, only continues to exist because I allow it, apb. You’d be smart to remember that.
cinder storm
which time <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Back in SL when this chat was barren
lusty grotto
nish laying down the law
toxic pewter
Back in SL when this chat was barren
feels like another lifetime ago..
toxic pewter
Every atom that makes up your body, every neutron and proton, even down to your ...
u r right nish
waxen frigate
feels like another lifetime ago..
Step the wrong way and it will be.
toxic pewter
i have lost what has made me
mighty valley
"shadowlands > df" is an example of an exciting apb take that gets the people going
toxic pewter
well that is just true
lusty grotto
harrow why u do this
mighty valley
i just want our friend to rediscover his spark
waxen frigate
I can fix you. Give me your hand. Take mine in the name of shitposting. I offer this to you but once.
lusty grotto
ok ok carry on
toxic pewter
I will go into exile for now to discover new takes that have real substance
waxen frigate
(20 minutes or so)
lusty grotto
thats 20 mins way too long
waxen frigate
Boring. Hence why I’m writing a god complex villain arc in a world of Warcraft warrior class discord’s protection channel
lusty grotto
try this one
I went for a smoke and bro, really, you were just joking or doing some skit or smt? You didnt really lose it on that level over some random, truly insignicifant, doesnt matter even the slighlest thing right? Youre not THAT mentally unstable, because if you are? You need to seek professional help bro.
or this one
Mute Nimchip already pleaseeeee. All he does is cause drama and argue with people.
and you got my 👍
strong forum
mighty valley
we've all had you muted for weeks nim, you just hallucinate all these messages to feel less lonely
waxen frigate
<:detective:912341312907378689>
daring marlin
> Mute Nimchip already pleaseeeee. All he does is cause drama and argue with peo...
What is this
lusty grotto
this is a chonker
daring marlin
i shall return when you least expect me..
Don't disappear for a month again
lusty grotto
☝️
lusty grotto
bis
daring marlin
fyrrak legendary effect is a teleport to emerald dream
lolwut
uneven mason
It's on the video
lusty grotto
low effort meme, but it works
lusty tiger
How’s your day going
i had to have a surprise meeting with 3 bosses after taking a dab
then i spent a couple hours tutoring an IT guy in python
lusty grotto
😮
waxen frigate
How about you toot
lusty tiger
?
bleak breach
blazing condor
u smell that?
lusty tiger
what... the smell of updog?
blazing condor
yeah i have updog cologne
lusty grotto
the goodest kind
lusty tiger
nearly time for my 60min dooker @ the office
now THAT smells like updog
my boss today: "I dont give a fuck what they do with this shit, they can shove it up their ass"
blazing condor
thats usually the opposite of what u do with shit
grand veldt
Alright boys I finally made into world 100th prot war, plz clap
Hope I can make it into the top 20 or 30 before end of season
waxen frigate
Alright boys I finally made into world 100th prot war, plz clap
yw
lusty grotto
grats!
grand veldt
Tyty
warm plinth
lusty grotto
😎
warm plinth
Also I don't remember the quality of the text in that meme being that shit
lusty grotto
lol
bleak breach
Alright boys I finally made into world 100th prot war, plz clap
Gg man, like for m+?
bleak breach
Nice, do you have a set team or just pug?
bleak breach
That’s an insane effort, most of the top guys run set teams.
grand veldt
Yeah the most I ever have is an arcane mage and resto druid with me
All my routes generally have funnel into boss except this week obv
lusty tiger
@grand veldt are u NA?
grand veldt
<@1094347878446682243> are u NA?
Yes on stormrage
grand veldt
keep at it
❤️
lusty grotto
i gotta big push these 2 weeks
last tyr week basically
just want to get as high as i can but pugging it is slow
lusty tiger
Yes on stormrage
gz, want to run keys s3?
grand veldt
Yeah pugging can be really aids, I was in a 25 Nelth the other day with an aug that had the plus 5 scales talent over molten blood and was still casting in himself
grand veldt
gz, want to run keys s3?
Double prot war comp?
lusty tiger
Double prot war comp?
me play DK
lusty grotto
eh ive seen worse
i usually dont scan talents
25 NL last week and doing the standard pelter skip on Ularogg and they somehow managed to pull them in, which then had the healer complaining about route despite me linking it
but that's just how it is
grand veldt
I scan talents always especially if were missing vigil, blinding light, important shit
grand veldt
And yeah lol
lusty grotto
if they dont have it they dont deserve to time
the only talent i scan for is weyrnstone on BH
grand veldt
True but it's your time being wasted too
grand veldt
Based
lusty grotto
its not wasted time, its practice
but of course its a personal perspective
i understand going into a key 1 up and expecting to time it on the first go
cause it used to happen to me
but when you just see it as what it is then its more chill
frosty tide
When I’m pulling big say like the first pull in Neltharus to the chains am I supposed to be walking backwards, forwards, or sideways? I struggle pulling big as a prot warrior since I can’t generate enough range for ignore pain stacks to properly mitigate most of the damage and then the positioning requirement for block
lusty grotto
sidewise optimally
frosty tide
Am I supposed to prioritize maximizing absorb of ignore pain?
lusty grotto
but if you cant strafe, backpedalling is kind of okay as long as you have rescues
no
you are not supposed to prio maximizing absorb
you just press it when youre about to cap rage, thats it
frosty tide
Shield block up then what do I dump rage on
lusty grotto
off gcd, on IP
thats pretty much it
revenge is okay, but its only used to get a SS reset since its low on our prio
and also on gcd
frosty tide
Gotcha
lusty grotto
if youre struggling generating rage prioritize SS > TC
frosty tide
Above 20s should I always be in defensive stance?
frosty tide
Yeah I was goong to try in tyrannical
cinder storm
25s is where a friend that push with non meta players is where he started using def stance to make it easier for the healer (disc)
frosty tide
I wish that was case for me but maybe not goood enough
lusty grotto
yeah that sounds about right Bubbles
frosty tide
I bricked 3 20s last week albiet on trash mobs on fort
frosty tide
I died to the basilisks and custodians in Uldaman
cinder storm
He also just recently started using a mouse to move, he was pushing keys just with the keyboard 💀
lusty grotto
on fort? up to the 3 basilisks?
frosty tide
I died to worm witch and bone pack pull after third boss in Underrot but that’s mostly because interrupts failed
frosty tide
on fort? up to the 3 basilisks?
Yes is that too much? Do I kite if I can’t cc?
lusty grotto
do you mean this pull?
frosty tide
Yeah
lusty grotto
on what key level
lusty grotto
should be easy to do with spell block and wall rotation
make sure you have an aug if youre not dwarf
because the bleeds are what will kill you
frosty tide
Does spell block mitigate the basilisk?
frosty tide
Yeah
lusty grotto
spell block is for the metric ton of casters
frosty tide
No I’m a tauren
lusty grotto
well the basilisk cast is mitt'ed
since its nature dmg
but not the bleed
for that pull you will need a bleed removal
cinder storm
They take more dmg after being stunned for a few secs, pray your dps can burst them down quick
frosty tide
What about custodians after bromach? Just kite before stunning?
lusty grotto
pal/evoker/dwarf
you can stutter step them
its quite easy
i believe quazii has a how to video on it
frosty tide
Gotcha ok
Thanks for the feedback I’ll give it another try today I need all 8 seems pressured with little time left
I did it on Guardian but want to do it as Prot def different
frosty tide
Black Friday? What is that?
Last question sorry but I don’t raid on my Warrior so I have all dungeon and crafted gear. Currently 444 with both prot trinkets from Lair and Heart of Thunder, should I use Heart of Thunder over one of the on use trinkets from Lair? I imagine keeping Cragshaper on, I just forgot the other on use name
lusty grotto
do you have mark of dargrul?
mark and heart are fine but both passives
as far as defensive trinkets go
treemouth is the best one
shortest cd
cragshaper is fine though if you want to do both Uldaman and NL big pulls
and Nelth chain pulls i guess
frosty tide
No I don’t those are all I have. Ok thanks I’ll use those then
grand veldt
Those crocs in ulda are fervent strikes with their bleed
So just run to a dps and make them die from the bleed instead
grand veldt
You can out range the cast if theres no one in range of the croc but it will recast fast
lusty grotto
if youre talking about the lizards
grand veldt
The crocs do it too
lusty grotto
because the basilisks do chomp
grand veldt
It killed my arcane mage
lusty grotto
not fervent strikes
lusty grotto
im not disagreeing with you
im just saying its not called fervent strike
the bleed is called chomp
lusty grotto
but yes they turn around and chomp dps instead
just facetank with an evoker if youre not dwarf
wait on all 4 stacks, and cauterize
grand veldt
Yeah If you have evoker fs
lusty grotto
or get bopped and cancelaura
or have a monk rop them
you can also play stops to avoid it
there are plenty of options
it can be a tad overwhelming to play stops on them since theres lots of nameplates and you cant see the chomp cast reliably
but its not impossible
sick sentinel
I’m new to tanking is protection warrior gonna be good to main for 10.2 for raid/m+
lusty grotto
it hasnt been bad for a big while so it should be fine still
marsh tiger
What embellishments are we considering for 10.2? I don't see anything in pins
lusty grotto
the same ones still
opaque quest
Sporecloak and Shadowflame no?
lusty grotto
no
opaque quest
Thought i read something about spore here
lusty grotto
nothing is concrete about sporecloak
opaque quest
Well he said considering :>
marsh tiger
Is the plate helm embellishment being considered? I was considering plate helm, sporecloak, or rousing
lusty grotto
no
its not being considered
or wait was it?
actually i think it is being considered
pallid quiver
It might have been, maybe, but I'd say it's not worth worrying about until sims get rolling like a week before release
pallid quiver
They could still randomly wild out or something, like make the vers gain from sporecloak be like a flat +50% or some nonsense though Blizz would have gone crazy to do that so it's better to just loosely be prepared to grab any of them
or none at all
lusty grotto
the problem with the versa from sporecloak is
if youre playing prot badly and/or getting your ass pounded you gain nothing
and if that's the case then its as if you had no embelish at all
pallid quiver
Also, in high keys, unless they do something mega stupid to it, it's likely not gonna be active most of the time even if playing well
lusty grotto
yup
pallid quiver
things just will push you below in the pulls you need to do
lusty grotto
not even in high keys, if people are crafting it now and are intent on using a 447 to push keys the first week....
tender cove
try this one
This really got to you, didnt it... Living rent free even the day after... Truth sucks huh? xD
lusty grotto
dreaming helm has no offensive value so
unless its incredibly good defensively you won't hear about it here
kinda sounds like it'll be a meh pick, but might be useful for new warriors idk
and/or incredibly high keys
either way its not available right now so, best to just wait
marsh tiger
Do bleed effects from our trinkets/weapons work into our tier set or is it just bleeds from warrior abilities? Specifically, rezlans bleeding eye
hardy snow
Do bleed effects from our trinkets/weapons work into our tier set or is it just ...
no, only our own 3 bleeds
its in the tooltip of 2p
lusty grotto
☝️
marsh tiger
Ah tyty
grand veldt
Do bleed effects from our trinkets/weapons work into our tier set or is it just ...
yeah multiple trinkets and procs have been tested as well
it's 100% only works with our 3 bleeds
sick sentinel
i am insulted
no moose, no hockey, no snowmobile, no beaver, no geese, no rakes,
frozen rose
FOEKS, when bosses take like 99% reduced dmg, like when in amalgamation the bosses phase....do we still do "dps"...in terms of numbers? Like....does it do anything for the log to be smacking the hell out of em? or no, does nothing since the 99% DR. (yes i know to generate rage we should be doing something, i'm just asking as a general question)
lusty grotto
you can generate a full rage bar
thats about it
you still need to cycle AM
so its beneficial
frozen rose
right. But does nothing dps wise I'm assuming since it's like 99% DR
lusty grotto
yea
frozen rose
k thx
lusty grotto
sark phase out also comes to mind
frozen rose
u mean like hitting him mid air when hes phasing from P1-P2?
lusty grotto
sure
you can ss him while jumping
as long as you generate damage you can generate resources
in echo's case
im not entirely sure, i cant remember
opaque quest
No tusks third mount tho
bleak breach
https://www.wowhead.com/news/amirdrassil-trinket-and-cantrip-tuning-on-patch-10-2-ptr-335724?webhook
@strong forum
Interesting if these change anything
bleak breach
It’s trinket changes
Not class changes…
But no, we won’t see Prot warriors blue text now
opaque quest
rip nelth trinket for my sham
bleak breach
I don’t mind it though
I hate when we’re forced to use old gear for new content. These changes should make the new stuff surpass the old stuff very quickly.
toxic pewter
make all gear great again
opaque quest
I got a puzzle box on my unholy DK last week of the patch
2 days later it was nerfed
bleak breach
What you mean apb
opaque quest
Feelsbad
toxic pewter
what you mean
bleak breach
There’s always been good and bad gear depending on classes
toxic pewter
why would I not be able to use my hard earned items
all of a sudden I am the crazy one to say that
bleak breach
Not crazy, just new gear for new content.
opaque quest
Give Dinar
bleak breach
Otherwise we may as well just have artifacts or something similar again
toxic pewter
make gear mean something again i say
used to mean somethin
now its all just handed to you and then discarded shortly thereafter
for shame I say
bleak breach
Hasn’t that always been the way?
Like you raid get gear, then replace it next raid.
opaque quest
apb back on the bad opinion train again
toxic pewter
u want go
opaque quest
What do you do in WoW if you keep your Gear for 2 years per expansion
Oh right
Nothing
Gear never meant anything in any game
bleak breach
Outside of legendaries, artifacts and some pvp gear, I can’t think of ever not changing gear each tier.
bleak breach
No stress, just curious as to what you mean. I’ve played since Vanilla and can never think of a point where I wasn’t constantly changing gear is all.
Was curious of the scenario
cursive prawn
Was curious of the scenario
Old Warrior’s Soul was BiS for Arms Warriors for two tiers back in shadowlands
Same thing with Ashvane’s Razor Coral in bfa
Both were raid trinkets
toxic pewter
my main thing is I, and many others, are tired of the loot pinata
cursive prawn
They were both exceptions though
toxic pewter
lets make gear GREAT again
lets make our accomplishments mean something again
whos with me
bleak breach
Higher content = higher gear
bleak breach
But I mean CE, and keystone master and that gives mounts and stuff too
cursive prawn
I completely skipped legion and wod so unaware
bleak breach
Yeah convergence was nice, but players at the time also hated using 1 thing for ages
Makes the next tiers feel a bit irrelevant after initial clears
What was that? Something like 2-3 raid tiers convergence lasted I think before merging enough that it wasn’t useable. Can’t remember
toxic pewter
I just want be chillin in org and other be like dang there go apb he a true bad ass i want be like him one day
ya know man
apb bad ass as hell they will say
cursive prawn
Can still have that aura with mythic end boss mounts
bleak breach
That’s raider io and CE, I think the only time people have ever really thought that about gear was when we didn’t have an item upgrade system, so you were like 10-15ilvl higher if you were mythic geared.
Or the gladiator pvp gear
toxic pewter
no
cursive prawn
Hall of Fame and m+ titles as well
toxic pewter
nothing means anything anymore
that is my point
none of that matters
because its gone like 3 months later
bleak breach
But it always has been hasn’t it? Outside a few specific items I can never think of us keeping anything long term.
lusty grotto
but you, you mean something
toxic pewter
limber vine
Should i get the spore cloak for the early tier next season? trying to prog with my guild and am swaping from arms spec so i dont know if its better the spore cloak early tier or is it better to have damage?
toxic pewter
i just want make wow great again
bleak breach
Just have fun man, if you’re not then take a break. If you’re not enjoying a game you play for fun, that answers the question itself.
opaque quest
Same thing with Ashvane’s Razor Coral in bfa
Everytime i login with my DK and do Garrosh i see a Vita charged and a titanforged Coral. Good times
cursive prawn
mighty valley
i'm sympathetic to that point of view but i don't think it's the design that's changed, it's the exposure of the entire playerbase to information
toxic pewter
Should i get the spore cloak for the early tier next season? trying to prog with...
word on the street is that cloak will be used a lot in 10.2
mighty valley
outside of an item here or there all gear has always been obsoleted by the next available raid tier
bleak breach
^
opaque quest
I dont understand why ppl still entertain apb
lusty grotto
Should i get the spore cloak for the early tier next season? trying to prog with...
i mean sure, but its not really that good for pushing anyway - youll lose the effect as soon as youre below 70% hp which will happen often if you dont know how to warrior and/or if youre trying to push keys on this season's gear
toxic pewter
I dont understand why ppl still entertain apb
wat u mean
opaque quest
Its a cult mate
toxic pewter
u want go
opaque quest
I want to drink the kool aid
toxic pewter
Ok welcome
my takes are great I am just 'ahead of my time'
like in 5-7 years it will all be like dang
that guy was right
mighty valley
you're actually kinda behind your time on this one, when tbc was announced a lot of players were saying "but my hard-earned gear is being invalidated by the concept of an expansion"
pallid quiver
If your gear take ever ends up right, I'm never playing WoW again
opaque quest
If your gear take _ever_ ends up right, I'm never playing WoW again
this
mighty valley
but most players now understand the requirement of New Stuff Being Added At Some Point
toxic pewter
you're actually kinda behind your time on this one, when tbc was announced a lot...
yeah just cuz this thought 'went out of style' does not make it incorrect
it still is correct
its the people that have lost their way
opaque quest
wdym lost our way
bleak breach
This feels really political haha
opaque quest
Even the first MMO ever had gear grinds lmao
toxic pewter
when you are satisfied with the loot pinata, revolving caracel of nothing mattering, etc
that is bad
mighty valley
lemme just check - you think the game could've existed for almost 20 years, have continuously had thrilling gear to chase the whole time, and all of it should've stayed relevant forever
opaque quest
Where is lee harvey oswald when you need him
cursive prawn
when you are satisfied with the loot pinata, revolving caracel of nothing matter...
And somehow, you say all this while praising Ion
toxic pewter
Even the first MMO ever had gear grinds lmao
yah notice the word grind you used.. that is my point.. gear used to actually mean something and matter
toxic pewter
And somehow, you say all this while praising Ion
I stand with Ion, he is a good guy who unfortunately gave into the mob rule
cursive prawn
🤡
toxic pewter
once you let the masses playcate you and dictate your game its over
and thats what has happened to this work of art we call wow
for shame I say
for shame
bleak breach
Who is Ion and what he do?
mighty valley
holy shit this is two different cooked reddit takes clashing
cursive prawn
Who is Ion and what he do?
He’s the game designer. Basically the game and its reward structures are molded to his vision
bleak breach
I only use reddit for the freee noooooodzzzz
toxic pewter
the .1 or the 99% both do not matter.. they lost sight and effectively their art became propaganda
toxic pewter
when they catered it was over
used to be artists create.. now they manufacture
for shame
mighty valley
they were catering since day 1, apb, the earliest lead designers were angry everquest players
bleak breach
Isn’t that classic
mighty valley
you're asking to wipe the developers' and players' memories
that's how you achieve the apb vision: mind control
toxic pewter
Yes that is what I have been meaning when I say I hope they are bold and steadfast in classic+ ( I am on record saying this). Take some risks, dare to create again and not worry about the consequences
toxic pewter
that's how you achieve the apb vision: mind control
No its the opposite, I want them to have full control
and not crater to external forces
that is the story of wow since vanilla.. catering to outside forces
mighty valley
artists are aware of audience
toxic pewter
no doubt
but when you cease creating from within it ceases being art
its a deep philosphical situation wow is in
and this blizzcon is very important for the soul of the game
mighty valley
no it's not, it's just a commercial video game that got old
toxic pewter
Lol
bleak breach
But gaming companies cater to the fans, that’s what keeps us playing.
toxic pewter
we just have a difference of opinion I guess
bleak breach
If they don’t evolve and change people just stop playing.
toxic pewter
I look at game development as art.. not commercialized manufactured advertisements
mighty valley
i just don't think you've thought about the reality of how to implement any part of your philosophy. also your analysis of how wow was created and evolved is also underthought
cerulean tusk
Someone mind giving me a TLDR of Abp's latest rant?
opaque quest
i think he wears a fedora
Tips Fedora: MWGA
toxic pewter
i just don't think you've thought about the reality of how to implement any part...
I mean its just simple imo
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
I believe wow was created as art and loved because of that
others believe it is a commercial manufactured product
that is fine
cerulean tusk
Can't it be both?
mighty valley
it had an alpha and beta for soliciting player feedback before the game was even released
toxic pewter
Can't it be both?
sure but one has to remember the foundation
lusty grotto
well to be fair, it was Blizzard's answer to Everquest 1
and while yes, it kinda had some of the things you described apb...
it was made to make money heh
mighty valley
it was blizzard saying "if we get people to pay a subscription like they do for everquest, but like WAY more of them, then we will make a lot of money"
toxic pewter
Yah but initially it was more than just a money grab
that is my point
that is the point we have to go back to
cerulean tusk
So it was art that made money?
mighty valley
art/not art is also not a real dichotomy, artists create within cultural and commercial constraints
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
art/not art is also not a real dichotomy, artists create within cultural and com...
there is a dichotomy.. one is true art, the other is propganda/advertisement
and its a very fine distinction
mighty valley
they built something because they thought players would want it enough to pay for it, and then they modified it along the way to try and get/keep more people paying for it
toxic pewter
right that is a cynical way to look at it
you believe the foundation is money
i believe it is art
cerulean tusk
I think they just made something they thought would make money. They were young, also had passion and investment. So it is both
mighty valley
you have to have financing to make something like wow, and you don't get that without the financiers expecting a return on investment
toxic pewter
well yes its both but the foundation or bedrock is what truly matters.. its a matter of opinion
mighty valley
the things you like about vanilla exist because of a slow trickle of new players experiencing novelty, and then a stratified social structure based on that trickle becoming exposed to knowledge
cerulean tusk
Well, foundation would be money. As money = food, shelter and safety. If you break it down to the core of life
bleak breach
If the game stayed as it was it would’ve died by now
mighty valley
classic wasn't the same experience as vanilla because the game was solved
which is why almost no one has chosen to stick around on classic era forever
bleak breach
We like the nostalgia, but there would be a very small player base if it didn’t change for 20+ years
toxic pewter
hard to say
mighty valley
you think people would've run naxxramas for 20 years?
toxic pewter
no I mean expansions are needed
cerulean tusk
If it was the same, I would not have returned after wrath 
I came back to Legion as I was told thing had changed, same but different - new experiences in a familiar setting
mighty valley
to be clear, i would love a world where art was created without financial constraints, but i did not take you for an anticapitalist apb
cerulean tusk
Is that what this is about, art can not create monetary value, if it does, it is not true art?
mighty valley
much like the slogan you're referencing from real life, that's all spite and no substance
toxic pewter
cursive prawn
Mean tweets bad, world war 3 good
cerulean tusk
If art is created and solicites emotion from the audience, then it is art. Art is creating anything that makes you feel.
So, WoW is art. Call it bad, good, uninspired or meh. Money is not really a factor
cerulean tusk
A fallen tree can be art. Do remember that. If someone sells that experience, doesn't matter. That noone did it with intent, doesn't matter. It not being human made, doesn't matter.
toxic pewter
yes wow is basically a punk band that sold out to the record labels big time
i want it to go back to the foundation
lusty grotto
see this mirrors a conversation that comes up again and again regarding punk as music
mighty valley
i just want apb to advance beyond sloganeering and start actually saying what the game he wants looks like
lusty grotto
but the truth is, if those bands dont change their sound, if they dont go do bigger shows, they die out
toxic pewter
i just want apb to advance beyond sloganeering and start actually saying what th...
I want blizzard to close down the forums, not accept any feedback whatsoever
go into deep art for a while
and launch a product
mighty valley
but that's not how any version of wow has ever been made
cerulean tusk
They don't want feedback, risky.
lusty grotto
apb, feedback is crucial to bug fixing
do you really trust blizzard to handle those by themselves?
cerulean tusk
I think he is talking about the artistic vision
toxic pewter
I have faith
i want them to turn it all off
and just go
into exile
and create
toxic pewter
lmao
cerulean tusk
Find nirvana
toxic pewter
oh shit youre right im projecting
cerulean tusk
Godspeed, break the cycle
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
leaked 11.0 new continent screenshot
cerulean tusk
Bring it to off topic/general: also, ppl do not click it stay pure
toxic pewter
yeah did you see when i posted leak with a screenshot of the upcoming cinematic
bleak breach
Na I didn’t
toxic pewter
i see
cerulean tusk
Abp the artist anti-capitalist that spreads spoilers
bleak breach
I’ve seen 5or6 different leaks so far though, all have been vastly different
toxic pewter
i saw the true leak
jagged gust
how tf do we keep finding new continents?
toxic pewter
i only post the ones I am very strong on
toxic pewter
Abp the artist anti-capitalist that spreads spoilers
lol wat i marked it
cerulean tusk
how tf do we keep finding new continents?
Azeroth is a growing girl
jagged gust
Whats better, Argussy or Azerothussy
bleak breach
how tf do we keep finding new continents?
Evolution
cerulean tusk
You think so, but we all know it will be Sylvannas, with white eyes going: see,see,I broke the chains! Just like I planned
toxic pewter
lol
bleak breach
You think so, but we all know it will be Sylvannas, with white eyes going: see,s...
Hahaha
Wish we could see illidan again
jagged gust
And then Arthas will pop up and be like "My soul turning to ashes and drifting off into the nethers was merely a setback"
cerulean tusk
Just talk about pain in-game, he will be there in 5 to out do you
pallid quiver
how tf do we keep finding new continents?
I mean, at least we knew the Dragon Isles, Zandalar, and the Broken Isles existed, as well as Northrend
They just weren't on our maps
cursive prawn
Just talk about pain in-game, he will be there in 5 to out do you
SACRIFICE
cerulean tusk
pallid quiver
and pandaland was specifically hidden away
jagged gust
by the anger fog, yes
toxic pewter
just really hope they give us a good villain again
cerulean tusk
Well, reason we did not see this landmass from space is because it... was hidden by the titan construct F.A.T.H.E.R. who holds a can of milk.
Spacegoats has colonised it all in secret
Army of the light there, confirmed
bleak breach
Hard to see who could be our next major villain without bringing someone new into it
toxic pewter
I guess they are making Iridikron a multi xpac villain.. which is not awful, he does seem to have a relatable motive and he is pretty cunning which I like
actually some rare df positive criticism from me
I think hes OK but he def is not 'final boss' villain material
theres a lot riding on the Void Lords..hopefully they can make them actual villains with intersting and compelling story
toxic pewter
too lazy to argue about what you just said
a lot riding on next xpac that is for sure
bleak breach
Overall there seems to be a positive response from most of the player base about DF after shadowlands killed it.
Hopefully we continue to improve with next xpac
cerulean tusk
I like Irikrdo or miniThanos. Mainly because he treats the OP avatars that we are as the only true threat
We coming, he leaving asap
That puts a smile on my face
toxic pewter
fyrak had potential to be a cool psychotic pure evil villain
but then he didnt even kill any major characters or anything
like he should of murdered his sister or took out an aspect or literally anything with actual drama or something interesting
instead he just flew around a couple zones for months and burned down loamm a town we just threw some water on to save, lmao
should of wiped out all the damn loamm people or somethin truly evil
cursive prawn
Based
cerulean tusk
If he attacked his sister, their breakup of alliance would seem more natural. Then betray his other brother. Go full void corrupted, talking about and to the voices
Could kill malphurion, as blizz want him dead
Then, tyrande is single for illidan, so fans happy 😊
cerulean tusk
Oh, and Fyrak would be a badass, killing the most powerful char
cerulean tusk
Yep yep
toxic pewter
yeah that is not bad plot tbh
like they just JAILER'd fyrak again
like give this dude some actual plot
cerulean tusk
Malf sworn to defend the dream, him dying to defend it makes sense
cerulean tusk
He is holding down the fort...
cerulean tusk
Because noone else in the whole of shadowlands could
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
sounds great LOL
cursive prawn
Lock her up then
cerulean tusk
That we can do
cursive prawn
toxic pewter
just do literally anything entertaining
toxic pewter
lol
cerulean tusk
🔥🔥🔥
toxic pewter
well actually good point
like look at when sylvanas literally made a night elf watch as she burned it down
the drama, the actual feelings and plot that happened
then look at this one dimensional fyrak situation
like I actually do not care about amirdrasil
cerulean tusk
Well, drama and feelings died, when they started to retcon the magnitude of the genocide
cerulean tusk
Was, basically every nelf, to... about 5
toxic pewter
thats a good point
bleak breach
I didn’t enjoy BFA, but atleast a lot of the plot was cool
I mean look at the opener to legion, Gul’dan got varian
Then illidan went Batman on him
mighty valley
it was really funny when tirion fordring died to an absolute nobody at the start of legion
just a total buster's death
for a guy who had a time as wow's main dude
jagged gust
I don't think any of us want to go back to the old Game of Thrones-esque style writing where they just randomly kill off important people every second patch tho
cept apb, that mfer is bloodthirsty
toxic pewter
? I’m thirsty for actual drama and plot instead of this conflict-free shit we been getting for a long time now. Zero stakes, zero risks, boring plots, no twists, no turns, no surprises… nothing good. You know what? Yeah I think taking a page from game of thrones makes sense actually. Ever look at the word Warcraft? I think we can use more craft… do not necessarily need war, but when it comes to actual lore and interesting stories conflict is often the cause or result
They should get George rr Martin to write the next xpac unironically
toxic pewter
Apparently not.
median tulip
The best bit of any recent expansion was the pre-launch event for Shadowlands where we finally got to shank that dickhead Nathanos
I enjoyed killing him so much
Unironically the best thing that happened in the whole Shadowlands arc
jagged gust
? I’m thirsty for actual drama and plot instead of this conflict-free shit we be...
bloodthirsty for p l o t
toxic pewter
Well yeah, like they making him out to be a psycho
Yet what has he actually done that is plotworthy
He’s just flown around two zones for 4 months
And his sister literally betrayed him and I guess he’s just like “lol ok”
And now he’s just trying to burn down an apparent world tree that’s shoved on us randomly out of nowhere that no one really cares about lol
median tulip
I mean the world tree is hardly random. It was a whole thing in the Winter Queen / Night Elf / Ysera / Ardenweald sub-plot
toxic pewter
It still feels very forced to me
And it being in the dragon isles also just feels wrong
lusty grotto
are you saying a shadowlands story feels forced to you?
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
can i quote you on that one?
toxic pewter
Ok
ionic fern
toxic pewter
Add it to the pile
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
thats a fire chonker
median tulip
IDK, seems fine to me. Although I only really know about it because I had a Monk NF alt all through Shadowlands. My warrior was never NF
lusty grotto
idk man
toxic pewter
Go read a bit.
Ok
lusty grotto
razsageth was kind of a better villain than the jailer ever was
didnt give a shit about anything, straight to her goals
pure evil
and also accomplished what she set out to do
fyraak, is alright i guess, but i liked Razsageth better
toxic pewter
Yeah she was pretty good
median tulip
Denathrius was the best villain in Shadowlands and should have been the main bad guy all along.
lusty grotto
this is true
and real
at least they are saving him for a future expansion
the whole CN raid and denathrius are certainly SL's GOAT
lusty grotto
that it was
lusty grotto