felt best i ever felt in life
#protection
toxic pewter
daring marlin
go for like 30 min walks every couple hours
just moving around in general, i.e. getting a set step number throughout the day is huge
I aim for 10-15k at least
daring marlin
yep
modern brook
My guys got the apple pace maker too
daring marlin
I can get 3k steps in a single hour at the gym during my lifts
toxic pewter
do you close your rings
i actually used to close all my rings
its sort of gimmicky but it helped me lol
modern brook
He cheats
modern brook
Actually untrue gilf is my goal
toxic pewter
just ate more chinese food 
toxic pewter
yum
lusty tiger
The box was like 2lbs
toxic pewter
love when they fill it up
modern brook
My guys diet is brown
modern brook
I'm anti food cause I don't work out with intensity
lusty tiger
I’m like eating at 11:59pm to hit my 3000th calorie
daring marlin
the fuck
lusty tiger
I'm anti food cause I don't work out with intensity
XD
daring marlin
Eat more often you goofy bitch
daring marlin
eat bagels
lusty tiger
But in the end I still need to shit my brains out
daring marlin
LISTEN TO STICKY RICKY
modern brook
Best part of dieting is Bagels with eggs
lusty tiger
LISTEN TO STICKY RICKY
TRUE
I DO LOVE BAGELS
but they are expensive and go stale quickly
daring marlin
EXPENSIVE????
modern brook
but they are expensive and go stale quickly
Imagine letting Bagels go bad lmao
daring marlin
LIKE 6 FOR $3!
lusty tiger
I don’t want that Einsteins crap
lusty tiger
Jewish deli bagels or none
toxic pewter
can freeze bagels but they never the same after that
lusty tiger
Listen eating breakfast everyday was a massive change for me
toxic pewter
bagel life is very intensive
i respect OG bagel shops
they wake up early as hell to get it going every day
toxic pewter
hell yeah it is
i want to work a bagel place tbh
they a dying breed these days
i want to learn the art
lusty tiger
🤔
toxic pewter
bagel rolling
lusty tiger
The lye dip
toxic pewter
bagel are boiled
in water with... malt or barley or something
in canada they boil them in water with honey
toxic pewter
the montreal bagel place thats really popular i cant remember the name they are a bit sweet vs american bagels
lusty tiger
I just ate like 1200 cal of Chinese food
toxic pewter
i am also against sweet bagels in general.. strawberry/cinnamon/blueberry etc
lusty tiger
And now I want cream cheese bagel
toxic pewter
same
lusty tiger
Sweet bagels are better if you’re not eating a fresh high quality bagel
tepid tendon
Hello my guild is doing mythic prog and our tanks are taking a lot of damage, our warrior especially is dying a lot sometimes randomly, if I dm'd some logs could someone help me find out why?
lusty tiger
I am mega busy for the next 5hr
mighty valley
Just put it in here and we can all take a look
tepid tendon
He is here somewhere and could flame me at any moment
toxic pewter
we are all here to better ourselves
mighty valley
Don't you want to learn and improve, mr tank, wherever you are?
tepid tendon
He gets mad at me when I bring stuff up, or tells us were wrong and I'm scared and don't know enough
but overall hes a real nice guy just not when it comes to criticism sadly
mighty valley
it'll be more convincing to see the entire discord agree on where he should work on rather than one person
tepid tendon
I'll delete them after a little bit
remove my trace
obviously they aren't the reason were not killing, but when a tank dies its an issue and I want to remove any issues
tepid tendon
He said he uses battle stance a lot because he needs it otherwise he'll lose aggro
mighty valley
there's absolutely no way a dps should ever rip aggro from a tank regardless of stance
absolutely use dstance at high stacks
bleak breach
Cast per minute overall seem fairly low overall. Assuming not generating or using enough rage
hardy snow
I see both of your tanks have on zskarn quite big gaps when not taking boss after their debuff falls off, that makes it harder for other tank
bleak breach
His healing numbers are very low for Zskarn and mythic especially.
tepid tendon
Yeah we talked about that and I told them they need to swap at 9 at least
And yeah, I don't play tank but its not classic anymore I never see tanks lose aggro mid fight
hardy snow
Yeah we talked about that and I told them they need to swap at 9 at least
no, they need to swap as soon as their debuff falls off
mighty valley
just swap as soon as the previous stack falls off, no reason to stay at high stacks any longer than absolutely necessary
hardy snow
and remember to use all available AA slows
tepid tendon
yeah we have a lot of people not doing their shit, the warlock trial we had with us didn't want to keep curses up
mighty valley
on a trial???? be on your best behavior, my dude
fast knot
yeet that idiot
tepid tendon
In his words ''I'm finding it hard to play the fight and multi-task'' I said either curse the adds, curse the boss, or dps the adds
instead of none
bleak breach
Yeah they need to immediately taunt boss when debuff drops. His damage and healing seems low overall.
fast knot
It's an instant cast that lasts two minutes
mighty valley
do you have any logs of farm fights? i wanna see if this warrior has better cpm on fights where he's not stressed out
fast knot
I'd be fuming
tepid tendon
I'll take a look now
bleak breach
Basically needs higher uptime on ignore pain, one pull he had 43 casts of revenge vs 13 ignore pain casts..
bleak breach
@tepid tendon
Similar fight time for mythic Kazz
Mine on the right, his on the left.
bleak breach
My fight did go 20 secs longer, but 34 more SS 45 more IP
tepid tendon
Like I know next to nothing about tanking, but that doesn't make sense to me lol
bleak breach
I used last stand 5 times, him 2
He’s just not generating or using enough rage.
Also spell reflect is massive for these mythic fights, needs to be used more.
mighty valley
if we're correctly prioritizing rage gen, which is also prioritizing our biggest damage buttons, we also get more IP for free
bleak breach
^
Has to be just missing using shield slam, he’s got 25 more revenge casts then more and more TC
He’s using filler abilities over SS which is reducing rage gen and damage dealt
mighty valley
the kazzara log isn't as far off as the zskarn one but it's still a solid 14 lower cpm than sokraxx here
bleak breach
Yep, which is a lot.
mighty valley
so he's a bit suboptimal on a farm fight, and then clearly everything's just a bit worse on a prog fight
tepid tendon
Yeah, just gotta figure a way to phrase all of this lol
bleak breach
I’m not saying I’m perfect or anything, but it’s a quick comparison.
Simply needs to use more SS and ignore pain. It’s nice to burn revenge this much but he’s burning it over using shield slam. Literally nearly has more revenge casts then shield slam.
mighty valley
it's biggest damage and biggest rage gen
bleak breach
Also his single target build is wrong
mighty valley
highest priority over all except CDs
bleak breach
Looks like he’s in a M+ or aoe build
hardy snow
more rage means more healing from indomitable, more CD reduction from anger management, more free IPs from outburst, more pure IP or revenge from dumping rage
lusty tiger
And more shield walls!
mighty valley
it's not always super useful to hear "just play better" from your raid lead but i'd say using last stand on CD for tier set is a good start
and don't be weirdly afraid of using def stance for the highest damage parts of the fight, it's free dr%
and spell reflect too
tepid tendon
yeah I might just need to face the music and ping him to here at some stage
easier than pretending I know what I'm talking about
but like I said hes not a big issue, just one of the many issues in our prog
bleak breach
Definitely needs to change his talent build
tepid tendon
You got a link for one you'd use on Z'skarn?
bleak breach
That’s a start
His build is really off if you compare just to the base wowhead build
hardy snow
yeah I might just need to face the music and ping him to here at some stage
I think the biggest issue is that YOU are here asking about it, while it's HE who should be trying to improve
mighty valley
oh god barbaric training
tepid tendon
Yeah maybe, guess its preference, I just always use disc for learning lol
mighty valley
oh he doesn't have bolster with tier set
bleak breach
Yeah maybe, guess its preference, I just always use disc for learning lol
Without trying to be offensive, things like builds, enchants, flask etc are too basic to be missing or wrong in mythic. Especially upto Zskarn.
Simply needs to be better or find a new tank or you just won’t get further.
vestal moat
Also on the bstance thing, he loses about 7% damage being in dstance. By default, he generates 650% more threat than dps. There are reasons to be in bstance but getting enough aggro isn't one of them.
bleak breach
https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785
I changed now haha, I did fine with it and never realised I shouldn’t run it…
mighty valley
well it certainly solves the mystery of how he's casting IP so little
bleak breach
Yep
mighty valley
while also overprioing revenge
bleak breach
I think just the build change itself will make a huge difference.
lusty grotto
I see both of your tanks have on zskarn quite big gaps when not taking boss afte...
^ this is what you need to pay attention to @tepid tendon
if your tanks arent switching correctly they will suffer
tepid tendon
Yeah I'll bring it up for sure
lusty grotto
if hes not using dstance after an x amount of stacks, then swap back after fade
like sure he can bstance for the first stacks no problem as long as he stance dances correctly after 5 stacks probably
do you guys have AA slows?
no rogue
no DK
just one warlock
tepid tendon
Sometimes, I specced it on UH DK and the raid before last our warlock did have uptime
tepid tendon
Bigtime, been a big drama about it
lusty grotto
well does he want to kill the boss?
hardy snow
your warlock must have 100% uptime on curse of weakness on boss
thats his job to use his class properly
lusty grotto
yeah weakness, sorry
tepid tendon
Basically group of 3 joined, I asked Wlock twice to do it
He didn't, told him to do it, told his friends and they said they didn't know and will flame it for him
he has next raid and hes benched
hardy snow
its mythic, highest difficulty, if he doesnt want to use his class properly - he can go play easier difficulties
tepid tendon
Yeah, just the added worry of its a group of 3 or 4, 3 are good and then one dude doesn't do what he should
if we bench him we could lose 4
maybe not, but it is an issue
lusty grotto
if you can sub a DK in, and one that specs insidius chill... which is kind of a dps loss, then it will go a long way into stacks
hardy snow
if we bench him we could lose 4
classic issue with inviting groups, I know that as well :v
tepid tendon
Yep yep, don't usually do it but we've ran through a lot of people on Z'skarn lol
lusty grotto
combo invites yeah
strong forum
so to summarize:
- pick a diff talent build, the one youre playing is quite detrimental offensively and defensively
- use less revenge, only use it as reset tool for shield slam, nothing else
- use more IP, basically when youre at 60-80 rage send IP
- send outburst on Shieldslam, NOT on thunderclap if you can avoid it
- if youre not that well versed (by that i dont mean the secondary stat), just sit in D-stance on zskarn
- have warlock/rogue/DK apply attackspeed slow, it is vital to reducing tank dmg intake MASSIVE amounts
tepid tendon
Yeah, we are finally seeing the end I think, hopefully at least
lusty grotto
honestly im with Nome on this one
tepid tendon
but ideally we'd like this and magmorax down
bleak breach
Yeah, Nome has summed it up perfectly.
lusty grotto
and he should perma Dstance until he finds out your groups magic number for stance dancing
bleak breach
If you can get Zskarn you get Magmorax easy
tepid tendon
Yeah for sure, we're super chill as a guild but we're steadily getting chill players in the last couple tiers
Only missing some reasonable prog, finding it hard to get people in and staying in
bleak breach
Chill is fine, but things like completely wrong talent builds in mythic are just a no no
lusty grotto
its late in the season so
bleak breach
He should also know that himself though
lusty grotto
not surprising
tepid tendon
Yeah should be better when the new tier starts
but I feel like I say that most tiers
then the influx is never as good as I hope for
bleak breach
Yeah, it’s always hard to fill groups late in a tier.
strong forum
surely itll be better next time
toxic pewter
i am anti-chill
bleak breach
The big guilds normally steal them first and people stay on bench there hoping to get a free CE
Looks like yous are getting close anyway, so if you can fix a couple of issues you should get 7/9 this tier.
Which is a great effort.
vocal flame
This new patch including a new season for M+?
gentle light
upcoming 10.2? yep
vocal flame
Yeah 10.2. So the ilevel of all the gear will change again? Wondering if doing m+ now is worth it
cinder nova
It's worth it now to be geared enough for 10.2
So you can go right into it at higher keys and immediately start collecting ilvl cap
vocal flame
I gotcha. Thank you
pallid quiver
It's also very quick to gear
You can very casually hit 420 or so in about two hours, 430 in a day or so, and that's all without M+
With M+, you can probably hit 44x in like one, two days
lusty grotto
447s are gonna be LFR gear so i dont know about that S
that's max upgraded LFR gear, not right off the bat
cinder nova
LFR opening immediately??
lusty grotto
so if you think you can get to ilvl cap with LFR gear well all the power to you
lusty grotto
doesnt matter we get like 3 set pieces on raid week
catalyst opens in day 1 anyway
aotc is another
or KSM
daring marlin
holy moly
lusty grotto
or 2400 i guess
lusty grotto
😮
strong forum
Yeah well I have a cat wheel
vocal flame
That is a huge item level jump next season lol.
strong forum
Yeah they're trying to soft nerf T30 tiersets that way
Without actually nerfing them
Same with trinkets or weapons
inland raft
Whats going to beat beacon though?
strong forum
Everything
There's like 3 or 4 trinkets from raid that will beat bacon right out the gate
pallid quiver
Beacon 2
lusty grotto
electric bugaloo
pallid quiver
As much as I currently dislike Beacon for being as strong as it is now,
strong forum
But it looks like every single dungeon trinket is dogwater btw
Eh beacon isn't even that strong
pallid quiver
I wouldn't even ve mad if they straight out made Beacon 2 Electric Bugaloo, named that way and everything
strong forum
Like don't get me wrong, it is huge in raid
lusty grotto
even butcher's block?
strong forum
But in m+ it's mediocre
pallid quiver
Yeah, over the course of a dungeon yeah
strong forum
Butchers block and sandglass are like the 2 good trinkets from m-
pallid quiver
But it feels bad seeing people get a beacon crit and bam, my parsing efforts in the trash
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
strong forum
Tbf it doesn't help
That the only trinkets we could test on ptr have been raid trinkets
Haven't checked last weekend cuz I was otherwise busy
strong forum
Not with gholak existing
pallid quiver
Shame they took Rezan's out back. That probably would have been good still, ye?
strong forum
What
pallid quiver
was that what to me or nim
daring marlin
Yeah well ***I*** have a cat wheel
I need one of these
lusty grotto
at least wowhead has it like a boe so idk
strong forum
Oh shit
daring marlin
My three cats would love that shit
lusty grotto
giga feelsbadman
strong forum
Nim making me log onto ptr at 3am
lusty grotto
well i just saw WH's page on it
uneven mason
Nim making me log onto ptr at 3am
lusty grotto
lol im an idiot nome
uneven mason
What stats for raid do you stack?
Yes
lusty grotto
dont worry
pallid quiver
Is it the same for M+?
Same, but technically vers is better defensively, but you won't notice it
lusty grotto
Nim making me log onto ptr at 3am
its a fyraak drop
strong forum
vers is better defensively in raid than crit
because you basically never get meleed
but raid dmg intake is generally not high enough
to need to stack vers
uneven mason
O right raid
hollow merlin
So?
uneven mason
Technically
pallid quiver
eventually the one mob will hit me again
hollow merlin
I'm still confused what should I be stacking. Haste Verse? 40% haste? 20% mast/crit?
uneven mason
Gear for damage
☝️
pallid quiver
Most damage is easily handled with CDs/Externals
lusty grotto
you should be stacking haste
strong forum
generally you just gear for dmg
lusty grotto
everything else parse it
uneven mason
I'm still confused what should I be stacking. Haste Verse? 40% haste? 20% mast/c...
Item level
lusty grotto
well ikarikaze has a better idea
strong forum
as defensively stats have very little relevance
so ye
rule of thumb is
ilvl > haste > crit>=vers > mastery
and beyond that, just sim
no specific amount of % you aim for
lusty grotto
i thought that was in the faq wasnt it?
uneven mason
Ya
lusty grotto
strong forum
its in the pins
uneven mason
Fuck nim why you waking nom up at 3 am
uneven mason
Right
lusty grotto
lmaooo idk i just saw some random mobs on it and thought it was a boe
uneven mason
Maybe you should
uneven mason
It's a shit schedule
lusty grotto
happy 9 pm to you too
lusty grotto
strong forum
i dont have a passport
uneven mason
strong forum
so i cant make a last minue decision to spend a couple thousand bucks to go to blizzcon
uneven mason
My wife left me over a 20$ pack of smokes, imagine I'd be dead if I dropped 2500$ on a trip to cali
toxic pewter
How long it take to get passport in eu
pallid quiver
We'll just smuggle you in, it'll be fine
strong forum
2-4 weeks with express
8-10 weeks without
toxic pewter
I needed one for cruise I took and I had to make a emergency reservation and got it within 4 days
Do they have that there
toxic pewter
It was a pain in the ass tbf
uneven mason
A plane ticket
pallid quiver
Anyway, I ain't going to Blizzcon; I've got fighting game tournaments to go to
toxic pewter
Oh derp lmao
strong forum
well the flight alone is 360 at the very cheapest
uneven mason
There's a fucking ocean in the way apb
strong forum
then GL getting a hotel room this late
toxic pewter
Yeah true will be expensive
strong forum
and i also wanna see some shit
toxic pewter
There's a fucking ocean in the way apb
Just fuckin set sail now
strong forum
so yeh
uneven mason
uneven mason
Fuck cruise ships
strong forum
i dont think i'd benefit off of a cruise, theyre basically just floating restaurants
toxic pewter
Lol yeah basically
strong forum
and i sure as shit dont eat enough
toxic pewter
I didn’t really enjoy it much either and I missed pirate day
pallid quiver
B-b-but they have pools on board sometimes!
uneven mason
They're floating petri dishes
strong forum
tbf i do prefer a pool over the ocean
mainly cuz i just dont like the ocean or beach
very boring places
toxic pewter
It was only one I been on and it was actually kinda crazy all the workers work 7 days a week 12 hours a day at least
Then they get 3 months off
pallid quiver
also there's a lotta barnacles
strong forum
yeah i had a friend who worked on a ship
toxic pewter
They work hard too
strong forum
he'd be working for like 3-4months straight
toxic pewter
Ya
strong forum
then have half the year off
uneven mason
If you want to catch something taking a cruise is more surefire way to get a dead disease than licking the urinal at Disneyland
strong forum
he toured around the entire world
kinda sick
but also scary af
cargo ship scary
pallid quiver
Real piraten ain't no bullshit
strong forum
i got thalassophobia, you aint getting me on the ocean
pallid quiver
And the people sending you out could not give a single less of a fuck about your well being
uneven mason
Real piraten ain't no bullshit
My uncle made his fortune because of pirates
lusty grotto
i hate cruises
toxic pewter
Just learned another word
strong forum
shit like this freaks me the fuck out
lusty grotto
nowhere to go until you dock
pallid quiver
I think stuff like that's really cool, which I have no idea why
uneven mason
i got thalassophobia, you aint getting me on the ocean
I also have an irrational fear of void/deep empty spaces
pallid quiver
I blame living nowhere near deep water, so I probably ronanticize
strong forum
its not the empty itself, its when theres something gigantic
uneven mason
I literally skipped that water raid in bfa
strong forum
and you cant leave easily
youre stuck there
whatever happens, happens
cant just hearth out
pallid quiver
smh not setting your home point before going out
strong forum
like imagine being that guy right there, and this fucking ship starts moving
youre fucked
pure unfiltered terror
lusty grotto
i thought that was a sub
strong forum
the only thing worse are gigantic boat propellers
imagine youre that guy, and the propeller starts turning all of a sudden
lusty grotto
oh yeah fuck that
lusty grotto
ive seen enough indiana jones to know not to get close to propellers or helicopter blades
strong forum
yeah nah im good
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
i used to do snorkeling a lot
so im not really scared of water
but delta p scares the shit out of me
and also rogue wave / underwater currents
strong forum
I've once been dragged out by a wave
Luckily only like 5-10m
But it was weird getting up and suddenly the beach is a bit further away
Instead of closer
lusty grotto
i was big into the ocean a lot when i was younger, did bodyboarding, my brother was into surfing
strong forum
Like beach levels are fine
lusty grotto
you learn to respect the ocean real fast though
strong forum
But open water, nuh-uh fuck that
Don't know wtf is lurking below
Just as a reminder
We know more about space than the underwater
lusty grotto
yea
strong forum
We know more shit about stuff that's lightyears away
Than stuff that's 10km below us
toxic pewter
You guys think blizzcon virtual pass worth it. Like the items and crap seem kinda bad
strong forum
Nah
pallid quiver
to be fair that's because there's fuckall in most of space
strong forum
Way too pricey this time around
pallid quiver
It is literally defined by being mostly nothing
toxic pewter
How much even is it
lusty grotto
and to be fair its cause pressure is just a hell of a force to be reckoned with
strong forum
to be fair that's because there's fuckall in most of space
And for the fact that we don't have technology that can reach the deep sea
Ykno
There's stuff down there
lusty grotto
i dont think there will be ever
lusty grotto
unless somehow we find a way to dodge the laws of physics
toxic pewter
Isn’t most of the ocean unexplored
strong forum
Like there's nothing we don't know about earth
toxic pewter
There
strong forum
Except the stuff that's below us
toxic pewter
Yeah I believe deep down in the darkest dark is where we come from
And one day a creature decided to swim upward
And saw the light for the first time
And now we are here in discord
That light was God
daring marlin
Unless you believe in god
Unless you're like William Lane Craig and believe in intelligent design
toxic pewter
Yeah I believe in God but also understand the evidence of evolution
uneven mason
Contradiction
daring marlin
fedorachip....
toxic pewter
Yah I can never prove God, no one can that is why it’s a belief
lusty grotto
i mean the catholic church did a u-turn on evolution a while ago, they think it true
toxic pewter
Yeah
bleak breach
Earth is flat
lusty grotto
its fine to believe in it, i dont mind it
uneven mason
i mean the catholic church did a u-turn on evolution a while ago, they think it ...
They....evolved?
bleak breach
Government has chips controlling us
daring marlin
Earth is flat
pleb
lusty grotto
what i do mind is those beliefs being forced unto others
daring marlin
It's all about HOLLOW EARTH NOW!
toxic pewter
It’s not a conspiracy theory though
uneven mason
Government has chips controlling us
Fluoride is turning the frogs gay
toxic pewter
It’s a belief system
bleak breach
Fluoride is turning the frogs gay
Not the frogs
cinder storm
That's why I don't brush my teeth
I'll decide when I do gay stuff
Not some chemicals
toxic pewter
cinder storm
uneven mason
toxic pewter
I turned my 5g to max 
uneven mason
true and real, just turn off 5G also
Whole house is running off my 5g
Because my wife left with the router
toxic pewter
Lol
lusty grotto
oh no you'll turn into covid vampires
jagged gust
Drinking blood and pushing liberal agendas on everyone
lusty grotto
uneven mason
Drinking blood and pushing liberal agendas on everyone
Socialism socialism
jagged gust
People think it was covid, but the Canadians have been planning this for decades, lacing our maple syrup with liberal tears. Soon all who have eaten at pancake House at 3am after a bender will fall to our socialist ways
lusty grotto
uneven mason
People think it was covid, but the Canadians have been planning this for decades...
USA doesn't carry real Canadian Maple syrup
Having moved north of the border, I've realized the shit that ends up in the USA is a byproduct knockoff
The real shit is like crack
I put it on everything
toxic pewter
Vermont makes maple syrup
uneven mason
But does it really
It's like, legitimately the only good thing that comes from Quebec
toxic pewter
I mean I thought they did
uneven mason
I mean I thought they did
They do, and that's really close to Canada, but the really good shit comes from farther north, it's gotta get real cold to reach the proper concentration, otherwise you get this thin watery shit that has to be boiled forever and changes the flavor
toxic pewter
Interesting
uneven mason
I may have visited a museum
Ngl Quebec has a lockdown on maple syrup and dairy products, they don't even bother with drugs, syrup and milk
lavish sphinx
Can you guzzle syrup like they do on Super Troopers?
waxen frigate
Unless you believe in god
man i dont even believe in myself
toxic pewter
jagged gust
Can you guzzle syrup like they do on Super Troopers?
You ask that like it's a challenge, drinking maple syrup is likes eating Pringles, once you start you don't stop
lusty tiger
<@193453212500623360> how are you my king
im having a ball raiding
lusty tiger
Y’all ever heard of the maple syrup challenge
wtf is this
waxen frigate
Nice dude
waxen frigate
wtf is this
You wanna come to dennys with me and find out?
lusty tiger
You wanna come to dennys with me and find out?
actually, I do
@waxen frigate im in need of a shitpost
waxen frigate
Ok do you want something sad or dank
lusty tiger
dank ofc
lusty tiger
yea i was there
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
im a swaggatarius
waxen frigate
I’m a gaggatarius for you
waxen frigate
coarse ginkgo
Yeah!
waxen frigate
Lol
My friends were competing with y’all for server 26th
I just transferred off stormrage. Was server 3rd for most of prog until guild died
lusty grotto
congrats!
coarse ginkgo
Thank you! 🥹
bleak breach
My friends were competing with y’all for server 26th
I think my server has 2 CEs lol
prisma phoenix
My server also has 2 CEs.
Would have been 3 with my guild if only real life didn't hit us like a truck
toxic pewter
Our new set is awful. The community is laughing at us lmao
mighty valley
who ever displays helms?
pallid quiver
me
mighty valley
thank you for answering my question in such a prompt manner
bleak breach
Me
pallid quiver
That being said, I like the actual like armor design of the new tier a good amount,
it doesn't fit WoW's general style though I think so it's rough on that aspect
bleak breach
I don’t mog either
rich wyvern
I don’t mog either
Wait - are you saying you’re one of those guys who rocks up to keys with all your gear in it’s base appearance?
Dear god
Especially when you get like
Drops from underrot
rich wyvern
(The dungeon gear in the BfA horde dungeons is actual ass)
bleak breach
I always get spammed with the random mog toys
rich wyvern
My guild hates it
We used to have a resident feral that made it his mission to have the absolute worst mog possible - we just never saw it cos he was always in cat form 
bleak breach
I mogged once to please them
rich wyvern
He had that giant green three-pronged helmet from pandaria, fiery shoulders from firelands, wendigo woolies shoes, etc
bleak breach
Then a week later I put a different piece from each tier on with random coloured weapon and shield
rich wyvern
It’s legit distracting for me if my character has a bad mog
rich wyvern
Nahhhhhh - the real trick is that whenever I see someone rock up to a dungeon with no mog I know that they’re gonna be a pumper. They must have used all that extra time to git gud instead
median tulip
I made a mog in BfA and have been using it ever since
prisma phoenix
As a Warrior, when I rock up to a dungeon I only look at myself and the enemy. The other 4 casuals in my group are irrelevant placeholders
teal swift
who ever displays helms?
Glasses
gray stream
How giving is prot for a fairly new player that’s new to tanking?
jagged pier
prot is easier than its ever been, but its still one of the harder tanks
teal swift
How giving is prot for a fairly new player that’s new to tanking?
Just send it. Tank skill is tank skill
Mechanically prot isn't bad
jagged pier
but htats also not saying much because all tanks are easy now
teal swift
Prot is going to struggle in areas that other tanks don't. Some tanks will have more complex resource management but it's all just different flscours of ice cream
They all are still ice cream
Depending on your goals, any of the 6 tanks will take you near the top of gameplay
tidal forge
Guys, link a good safe build for sark, pls 
hardy snow
inspiring presence can also be useful, but it depends on your raid CDs
tidal forge
Ty. I try wcl most used talents and it was hard) When i should use spell block?
pallid quiver
Ty. I try wcl most used talents and it was hard) When i should use spell block?
Notably for Sark, his dot he puts on the tanks is one of the very few magic dots in the game you can actually block
hardy snow
Ty. I try wcl most used talents and it was hard) When i should use spell block?
when you have to stand with dot from tank buster, it will depend on how you tank with you co-tank (who is taking boss first, who is staying in p3 etc.), so we cant tell you specific timers
tidal forge
I take boss first on p1 and p2, and second for p3(we trying to swap 2-2-1-1-1) My co-tank - DK
warm plinth
Morning
warm plinth
Notably for Sark, his dot he puts on the tanks is one of the very few magic dots...
I'd like to block your magic dot, if you know what I mean
hardy snow
I take boss first on p1 and p2, and second for p3(we trying to swap 2-2-1-1-1) M...
on p3 use it when you receive first stack to survive till you get 2nd stack, when you get 2nd go hide
tidal forge
on p3 use it when you receive first stack to survive till you get 2nd stack, whe...
Use before initial hit?
pallid quiver
Ghash is playing the dangerous game, now. I know because I eventually stumbled upon... The Trap
pallid quiver
Use before initial hit?
well spell block lasts 30 seconds in the first place, and iirc the dot lasts 20
warm plinth
The dangerous game?
hardy snow
Use before initial hit?
you can use it right on hit, it doesnt mitigates initial hit (its physical, you block it with standard shield block), but it mitigates whole dot
hardy snow
well spell block lasts 30 seconds in the first place, and iirc the dot lasts 20
depends on phase, p1 ~27, p2 ~18, p3 ~21 if I remember correctly
pallid quiver
The dangerous game?
One day, you'll stumble on the if you know what I mean that backfires if you're like me
hardy snow
in p1 you should get dot twice and you can spellblock only one, so its best to use on the debuff that epxires on harder for raid moment, so you hit them less
pallid quiver
depends on phase, p1 ~27, p2 ~18, p3 ~21 if I remember correctly
That'd explain why I loosely remember it as not actually 20, but felt like spell block covers it all
tidal forge
in p1 you should get dot twice and you can spellblock only one, so its best to u...
tyy, on p2 i guess i should use it ~3:30
hardy snow
tyy, on p2 i guess i should use it ~3:30
I was using it on first hit, just because I was starting boss in p3 and needed it for first dot there so Im not sure what will be your timer in p3, but overall in p2 use it so you have it for first stack you get in p3
also in p2 remember to use def stance when you will go out of group to explode, you are not hiting boss anyway
pallid quiver
also in p2 remember to use def stance when you will go out of group to explode, ...
but the mad wild heroic throw damage tho
waxen frigate
I think my server has 2 CEs lol
He’s on stormrage which (before cross fac guilds) was the biggest alliance server in NA
lusty tiger
He’s on stormrage which (before cross fac guilds) was the biggest alliance serve...
Gm
strong forum
Love Alex jones
waxen frigate
Alex Jones could’ve been such a good entertainer
Nomer unblock my message
Automod is oppressing me
sweet summit
maybe don't send mesaages that would get blocked by auto mod? 🤨
strong forum
Poopbag
strong forum
It's a preset list from discord, we'd have to specifically whitelist individual words like that
waxen frigate
Nah idc it’s just funny
solar grove
are we only meant to press revenge when it procs? in m+ and otherwise
its been a longgg time since i played prot
sweet summit
nah revenge is ur offensive spender, press it regardless of procs or not
solar grove
mk thanks
strong forum
Treat it as your shield slam reset Tool
solar grove
i just feel rage starved a lot
strong forum
Are you playing barbaric training
solar grove
brutal vitality?
solar grove
i might be, let me look
it feels like i get 0 value out of brutal vitality, by the time i get any ignore pain up its gone
strong forum
feeling what's going on and what's actually going on are 2 different things
median tulip
Revenge is pretty far down the list of things to spend a global on, TBQH
solar grove
where is barbaric training on the tree roughly?
started playing prot again like 12 hours ago
prisma phoenix
I think barbaric training is the ww talent, no?
median tulip
where is barbaric training on the tree roughly?
Class tree, mid section, on the right
prisma phoenix
Might be smth else you're looking for
strong forum
Okay then it's just rotational mistakes
median tulip
I think barbaric training is the ww talent, no?
It does Revenge for Protection
prisma phoenix
Ah didn't know
strong forum
Rotation is super super simple
Shield slam > tc > revenge
In 95% of situations
Outburst on SS - TC on a ratio of 4-1
median tulip
i am without a doubt butchering my rotation
Rotation is the wrong way to think about it; we have a priority list, and we get a LOT of resets.
strong forum
Ignore pain at 60-80 rage or when you need it for a mechanic
If you follow those steps
And actually press stuff on CD
solar grove
are we relying on outburst as our main way of getting ignore pain up
strong forum
No
You press ignore pain roughly 15 times per minute
And during your opener like 9 times in 12 seconds
median tulip
are we relying on outburst as our main way of getting ignore pain up
Nope. Ignore Pain is a button that triggers Anger Management, Indomitable and Violent Outburst stacks - and just so happens to also give a damage mitigation absorb
pallid quiver
you slap ignore pain a lot, in other words
prisma phoenix
Sounds like a cracked ability
solar grove
yeah im not pushing it quite enough on the opener i think
what is the deal with last stand? just on cooldown?
pallid quiver
Yeah, if you throw all CDs out, you need to be slamming it on its own CD, pretty much, because Ravager gives you a lot of rage to work with
Last Stand on CD atm; Offensive CD that gives shield block
median tulip
Your ideal situation is to never cap Rage, but instead to spend it on Ignore Pain in order to generate the proc effects from AM, Indom and VO
strong forum
This is how your casts breakdown should look like
pallid quiver
Its CD is also reduced by pressing Shield Slam, so you get more out of it by sending it on CD
solar grove
let me see if i have any logs from some dungeons from tonight
strong forum
Pwar is extremely simple
The only thing to "learn" is how to use ignore pain
Everything else you literally just send on CD
Avatar on CD
TR on CD
SC on CD
Demo shout on CD
Ravager on CD
Last stand on CD
pallid quiver
also learn how to not rage starve yourself in execute, but
strong forum
The only things you don't send on CD are stuff like defensives, but that should be pretty self explanatory
solar grove
median tulip
You should be using IP more
pallid quiver
It looks like the general idea is there, just need to press the buttons faster/react faster to procs
median tulip
As far as Rage goes, I made my Rage tracker weakaura make a noise at 80 Rage, and call me an Idiot if I cap
strong forum
Shield block is also too low
You don't have 100% uptime with only using SB 2.9times a minute
SB should be closer to 5cpm
solar grove
yeah, i am focusing on maintaining shieldblock uptime and trying to see how ignore pain flows with pulls
median tulip
It looks like the general idea is there, just need to press the buttons faster/r...
Making a macro to include a secondary cast of Shield Slam in your Ignore Pain and Shield Block casts allows for easy SS reset sniping
pallid quiver
Ye, that macro's in pins, as a heads up, Draw. It doesn't save any keybindings or anything
waxen frigate
Shield block is also too low
This is semi related but what’s the cap on shield block again
Like 28?
pallid quiver
3x duration
strong forum
3x original duration
solar grove
i have seen it go over 30
strong forum
During bolster it's +15 ontop
solar grove
oic
waxen frigate
Ok so define original
median tulip
3 times the base duration, plus extra if you use Bolster
strong forum
18sec without enduring Defenses
24 with Enduring Defenses
pallid quiver
So 24 seconds if using Enduring Defenses
pallid quiver
And you'll pop up to 39, ye
median tulip
Yes
strong forum
If you play HR + Bolster maybe then
But playing HR + Bolster is serious braindamage
median tulip
To be quite honest, there is a point where you have enough Shield Block and can spend on something else. Usually that point is "What If I just Execute it?"
pallid quiver
It's at least still another oGCD race dump, too, if you're blasting CDs
strong forum
Yeah like I legit don't think about SB usage
I just send it
I don't do content high enough for 30 rage to matter between using on IP or SB in that very moment
pallid quiver
I haven't thought about shield block a single time this x-
That's a lie
I've thought about it when I have a pug co-tank pulling 15k DPS
solar grove
are there any stat breakpoints i should be looking for? or just haste/vers
strong forum
No
pallid quiver
so i have to ration my rage because I literally have to just stop pressing buttons
strong forum
Just ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery
median tulip
are there any stat breakpoints i should be looking for? or just haste/vers
Haste/CRIT
solar grove
okay i need way more crit
pallid quiver
are there any stat breakpoints i should be looking for? or just haste/vers
I throw myself to the robits behind the veil of Raidbots for all my stat decisions
median tulip
okay i need way more crit
This is my stat breakdown:
solar grove
i just recrafted all my shit from crit/haste to haste/vers bc i was playing arms, i should have seen how much crit was worth beforehand i guess
anyways, im out, thanks fellas, GL w/ vault
blazing condor
Haste vers aint too bad
median tulip
I just sim for DPS and roll with it
dull sleet
Everytime i sim for dps it spits out haste/Vers tho
median tulip
I could probably use some more Vers, but ofc I'm always using Vers flasks so that helps out
rich wyvern
This is my stat breakdown:
FINALLY, someone posting stats with the actual values rather than just percentages
dull sleet
At least at 5 target patchwork 8 minutes
strong forum
Then that's what you equip
median tulip
FINALLY, someone posting stats with the actual values rather than just percentag...
Heh. In most real situations my Haste is 10% higher than that due to ITF
strong forum
If your sim tells you to equip vers, then that's what you do
rich wyvern
I do love some good ol 37% haste
median tulip
What Nome said, but do make sure you are simming with a flask included
waxen frigate
I assume the default APL flask is vers?
waxen frigate
Smh
That was always dumb imo
I remember talking to Kate about it early on
It was always simbait
strong forum
Profile is theoretical max dps within reasonable human ability
waxen frigate
Wouldn’t the vers potentially have (very slight) impact on stat weights in top gear
Static is str right
strong forum
And you can absolutely play with static empowerment, it's just literally never ever has even bought a single one cuz it's a bit harder
I sim with the consumables I personally use
So uh
Doesn't impact mine
sick sentinel
i just use chaos or versa personally
waxen frigate
Chaos bad
sick sentinel
chaose more for fort versa more for tyranical
strong forum
If you use a flask
sick sentinel
but like, whatever lol
waxen frigate
Vers and crit are the only good flasks in ST
waxen frigate
in keys you can maybe use eye of the storm
Still prob worse than crit/vers
But better than chaos
median tulip
I find there's too much movement in any real fight for static empowerment to reach its full potential. Plus they are like 4 times the price of Tepid Vers.
waxen frigate
I run vers on everything but FDK and arms warrior
strong forum
Static empowerment stacks up real fast
waxen frigate
Because it’s cheap and universally fairly effective
sick sentinel
i don't find it that horrible but i don't run the numbers on it either
strong forum
You just gotta play around it
median tulip
Eye of the Storm?
sick sentinel
in the storm
strong forum
In the storm
sick sentinel
i hate to correct but i got absolutely filtered shredded one day tryin to find them in AH by searching "eye of the storm"
so, now, i forever know its IN the storm
true story
median tulip
It's more PRI than Static Empowerment though, isn't it?
still expensive compared to TV mind
waxen frigate
Yeah it’s expensive
sick sentinel
i still prefer chaos
waxen frigate
It’s funny that chaos was popular in 10.0 and now you just see nobody use it
It’s vers or crit
Or nothing
sick sentinel
reign of chaos, some chaos demon in diablo im sure
more specifically d2, im most accustomed to D2;LOD
strong forum
Chaos is just bad
You get low uptime on low stats
When vers is 100% guaranteed uptime on 3.5% vers
Chaos is like 30% uptime on 3% stats
Doesn't make sense
sick sentinel
one of the effects is -5% dmg and another is +versa which is like the same thing
strong forum
Yeah but fuckall uptime
sick sentinel
so its like a 50/50 do more dmg or take less, and i am enjoyer of this for tank
strong forum
Yogi be yoging
sick sentinel
if im in a raid tho i do versa cuz i know its like a 80%st/20%aoe split for my dps
not worth to prayge for 1 in 4 chance for 5% less dmg so i dont die to some fire
median tulip
for a quarter of the gold cost I'll just stick to Vers. That let's me buy more Potions.
waxen frigate
@sick sentinel if you had to like rank your top 3 favorite weapons from doom (all games) what would they be and why
sick sentinel
EZ
BFG #1 cuz mothefuck if i even have to begin to explain the bfg and what it is or why its good......... rocket #2 similiar reasons, chain gun #3 cuz stun locks
waxen frigate
Ya BFG number one obvious choice
Stun locks interesting didn’t know that was a mechanic
sick sentinel
its literal the big fuckin gun
thats in cannon what the letters stand for
try chain gun stun lock on not like an archy basically
caco and pain elementals and "non elites" up to skeleton boy have pretty good chance to get stun locked
waxen frigate
sick sentinel
this guy has an entire play list doing the math for all kinds of scenarios, mechanics, glitches
sandy peterson, former late cycle doom1 dev on youtube for lore type videos
waxen frigate
sick sentinel
yeah, dudes got 57 videos in a play list just like this video, all about doom mechanics
median tulip
That's a quite extreme level of nerdery
sick sentinel
people are ape shit for og doom
median tulip
People do be weird, yo
A friend of mine's kid is the world record speedrun holder at some ancient platformer that's older than the kid is.
strong forum
Zoomers be zoomin
lean flame
How much vers % should I aim for in m+?
median tulip
How much vers % should I aim for in m+?
You shouldn't aim for any %, just sim for DPS and run whatever the sim says
dusky canopy
How much vers % should I aim for in m+?
0%
uneven mason
How much vers % should I aim for in m+?
We stack crit in these parts (just use highest ilvl)
rich wyvern
Say it with me: stat weights matter less than good gameplay fundamentals
uneven mason
I mean, stats matter only in the sense of more > not more
rich wyvern
Edited for clarity
median tulip
I mean, stats matter only in the sense of more > not more
While true, given how much space we have in DF for picking stats, there is going to be a better and a worse option
glad apex
lusty grotto
of course
thin snow
Those are vdh buffs, havoc nerfs
lusty tiger
@waxen frigate us
waxen frigate
I’m the cat
waxen frigate
No you’re the cute one
lusty grotto
what about mine
lusty tiger
Yours too
lusty grotto
i want to be in that pic
lusty tiger
You can be nish’s beard
lusty grotto
dope
lusty tiger
sweet summit
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
https://tenor.com/view/im-a-cat-meow-bobbyfunk-face-paint-gif-17883606
When someone asks me what I do in my free time
sweet summit
what do you do in your free time
lusty tiger
what do you do in your free time
I’m a cat, meow
glacial flint
When someone asks me what I do in my free time
sweet summit
meow :3
lusty tiger
blazing condor
lusty tiger
Gm dog and nome
toxic pewter
why maintenance always like 6 hours these days jeeze
sweet summit
blizz con these nuts
uneven mason
DN
sweet summit
what's dn
uneven mason
Next expansion
toxic pewter
ngl
uneven mason
toxic pewter
cannot wait for the dn phase to go away
one of the worst internet memes in a long while
waxen frigate
cannot wait for the dn phase to go away
It’s not a phase
uneven mason
It's been around for like a decade
uneven mason
well it will go away
DN ain't going anywhere
toxic pewter
its extremely cringe
uneven mason
just some seem to linger more than others
Like vers 
waxen frigate
just some seem to linger more than others
DN gonna linger in your mouth if you keep yapping
toxic pewter
and i have been on the net since its inception
waxen frigate
Ok boomer
uneven mason
DN gonna put a mushroom stamp on your ass
toxic pewter
I do not have a problem with stances per se, just current iteration is awful
uneven mason
I do not have a problem with stances per se, just current iteration is awful
Can we pin this, total 180
toxic pewter
not really
stances used to actually mean something that changed up actual gameplay
now they are effectively a homogenized gameplay design thats getting closer and closer everytime they nerf the penalties lmao
like why even have them if they do not even effect decision making anymore
meanwhile bringing back the damage penalty alone has always just been a bad design choice and feels bad
lusty tiger
DN gonna put a mushroom stamp on your ass
()_()
lusty tiger
back in my day we had real funny memes
what is the funniest meme from back in your day?
and did it smell like updog?
toxic pewter
u remember hamsterdance
waxen frigate
