Recently made a vdh alt and honestly it feels far better than my 447 pwar and its 443.
I dont know if it's the honeymoon phase or i am bad at pwar but the damage and control on vdh feels better.
Kinda sad about it and i dont know which one i am going to play next season.
Any wisdom to share with me?
#protection
odd nimbus
mighty valley
we don't know if you're bad at prot warrior without a log
silk kiln
Play style is also subjective
mighty valley
vdh is looking strong too, so if you have more fun with it, there's nothing wrong with that
teal swift
vdh is hyper mobile, and very tanky, and is getting a bunch of damage buffs for s3.
Prot warrior feels like a warrior
mighty valley
but if your heart is with prot warrior, you can def make it work
toxic pewter
wat
odd nimbus
I am thinking about swapping out of crit into versa on my protwar again,i felt better vs magic with vers and my dps didnt change after swapping to crit
What are your opinions?
teal swift
I'll play any tank that isn't a druid or BrM
chilly brook
Worrying about what tank is meta next patch is silly
mighty valley
stats barely matter, wouldn't focus too much on that
chilly brook
Just play the one you like and are good at
teal swift
What are your opinions?
Consensus is to sim
warm plinth
I am thinking about swapping out of crit into versa on my protwar again,i felt b...
That it's 100% feelycraft that you felt better with vers
mighty valley
if you want to make prot warrior work and you're feeling really weak, best thing to do is log a couple keys and we can take a look and see what's going wrong
teal swift
^
odd nimbus
if you want to make prot warrior work and you're feeling really weak, best thing...
Never logged in my life but gonna do some 23-25s with my friend and she always logs i will send them here for you guys to destroy me
mighty valley
that works too
odd nimbus
Feels good man
teal swift
Never logged in my life but gonna do some 23-25s with my friend and she always l...
I love being bred bent
mighty valley
?
toxic pewter
Recently made a vdh alt and honestly it feels far better than my 447 pwar and it...
Well yeah, the damage and the utility is better than prot warr. Prot warr is generally considered the tank that brings the least to party content. It is true we have many stops, but vdh has superior mob control and now they will also be getting 2 charges to sigils along with an improved 30% darkness for group content. You are experiencing a tank that is getting reworked, I am still waiting for our rework which I hope will bring us further up to speed with many of the other modernized tanks
urban portal
Recently made a vdh alt and honestly it feels far better than my 447 pwar and it...
Vdh just got reworked
So it’s much better
toxic pewter
just them getting 2 charges of each sigil alone is wild
2 aoe silences, 2 aoe interrupts, 2 elysian decrees
odd nimbus
Yeah i felt that
And i know after rework you get some huge power spike but man oh man i want to zugzug 123 pro war 😦
teal swift
Yeah i felt that
And i know after rework you get some huge power spike but man ...
While meaningless, go prot warrior if that's your love
toxic pewter
at the end of the day I know how you feel because I do find vdh fun, but I always find myself returning to prot warr. I know the conflict you are experiencing, I personally feel it is a bit of the honeymoon phase as you describe.
mixed with the excitement of a rework
mighty valley
it's odd that you find yourself coming back to prot warrior but also want a complete reimagining of what the spec is
toxic pewter
?
teal swift
it's odd that you find yourself coming back to prot warrior but also want a comp...
Tclap rend is insane
And super fun
toxic pewter
it is due to that very love that I want prot warr to improve and evolve. I want to make PROT WARR great again
right now prot warr is just 'fine'
warm plinth
Idk I love prot's playstyle
teal swift
Every tank is within 3 key levels of each other
And every tank is fine in raid
So you're fine to play any tank tbh
toxic pewter
I do not use that term
lusty tiger
3 key levels is a lot
warm plinth
What term
teal swift
3 key levels is a lot
Not really no
static aspen
Father?
lusty tiger
the f word
Fart
toxic pewter
'f***'
lusty tiger
Not really no
The prog for a team do go from a +29 key to a +31 key is months
teal swift
Sure, but it's extra
silk kiln
That’s also only if you’re pushing that high
teal swift
Especially when the players that are actually pushing top limit keys
Is such a small fraction
toxic pewter
that is true I stand by that
lusty tiger
well balance doesn’t much matter before very high keys like that
teal swift
If you're doing 28-29 keys and want to go farther, just mets chase
lusty tiger
Because we already know every tank can do a +25
teal swift
That's what I'm sayintn^^
mighty valley
so you love it, and you want it to improve and evolve, but also to be completely destroyed
toxic pewter
Sometimes have to burn away the bad to make room for the good
teal swift
so you love it, and you want it to improve and evolve, but also to be completely...
Remove fury, make it a second tank spec
mighty valley
you're saying the "entire spec" is the bad
toxic pewter
hmm
teal swift
toxic pewter
now that you mention it.. I am having least amount of fun with current prot warr I have ever had
lusty tiger
Still waiting for my 2h polearm + shield tank
silk kiln
Shut your mouth do not remove fury
mighty valley
i thought you weren't even playing right now
teal swift
Still waiting for my 2h polearm + shield tank
toxic pewter
I am on ptr
teal swift
They are waiting for you too jeree
toxic pewter
but retail I only do hallows end stuff
mighty valley
when did you last enjoy prot warrior? what's been lost?
lusty tiger
They are waiting for you too jeree
toxic pewter
I have a dream
teal swift
Vulpera Prot Warrior
toxic pewter
when did you last enjoy prot warrior? what's been lost?
I am too busy to type it all out right now
mighty valley
i think you might need to look within, apb
teal swift
I love the Valhalla themeing
warm plinth
Typical apb cooked takes in skyhold today
toxic pewter
they are not cooked
teal swift
What is uptime on shield block on raid rn
toxic pewter
I just do not think everything is 'f***'
teal swift
And in keys
warm plinth
100%
teal swift
How much haste does it require
warm plinth
But uptime isn't really the important metric. As long as you have a high % (90+) of blocked hits, you're fine.
mighty valley
I just do not think everything is 'f***'
if your crush said "damn apb, you're looking fine today" would you tell them to stop using that word
warm plinth
There's no haste requirement
teal swift
Mmk
toxic pewter
if your crush said "damn apb, you're looking fine today" would you tell them to ...
lol
teal swift
Ice not played prot this season yet
toxic pewter
jokes on you no one has a crush on me
warm plinth
Won't change next season either; we'll just have to change a talent
mighty valley
you don't know that
teal swift
if your crush said "damn apb, you're looking fine today" would you tell them to ...
Girlfriend doesn't tell me I'm cute
;-;
toxic pewter
you don't know that
thats true I suppose
teal swift
She likes my cat a lot
warm plinth
My cat is cute af
teal swift
Probably dating me to let my cat
mighty valley
but i think this self-deprecating attitude is being externalized into your feelings about the state of prot warrior
toxic pewter
hmmm
teal swift
toxic pewter
but i think this self-deprecating attitude is being externalized into your feeli...
I will meditate on this
teal swift
My cat is cute af
Same
warm plinth
My pic will upload at some point. Service is bad here.
warm plinth
warm plinth
She cute af
teal swift
Would pet 20/20
warm plinth
Best part is that he actually loves his belly rubbed
You don't get shredded if you touch it XD
mighty valley
are dog pics legal here
toxic pewter
wat is snow dog
teal swift
Literally anything other than other humans
toxic pewter
are you one of those people that has a husky in a hot environment
teal swift
are you one of those people that has a husky in a hot environment
They should be shot
toxic pewter
yeah I gues its ok if it is cold enough
teal swift
I want a husky, because I live in Canada where it's cold 6 months a year
toxic pewter
but i see some where i live in texas sometimes and its humid and hot as hell for them
teal swift
Yeah, the dogs are not really bred for heat
They can handle a few weeks
But they thrive in snow
And colder climates
toxic pewter
i used to go to dog parks a lot and would see them panting and stuff a lot
lusty tiger
cerulean tusk
lusty tiger
Pfp source coming right up
@teal swift https://youtu.be/VAAWKT9JvC4?si=4eg6fBJVPclM_ZqP
modern brook
lusty tiger
<:greenbear:729127145963651092>
modern brook
<:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
lusty tiger
<:peepoHappyFisher:838631904936591401>
modern brook
<:Avatar:592472447429902357>
blazing condor
lusty tiger
modern brook
teal swift
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
sick sentinel
median tulip
Does anyone know what crests are dropped in which M+ keys in Season 3?
sick sentinel
i haven't been on ptr but my assumptions are they are the same as now
i don't go on ptr generally, havent heard they were upset with crests
teal swift
@sick sentinel I got called yogi2.0 last night
if I was bullied everyday for years
I wouldn't have the tenacity to stick aroundm
I admire your thickness
teal swift
Like, seriously jokes aside, the tenacity, thickskin, and determination is inspiring.
lusty grotto
Yogi is an enigma
what have you been up to guilford
warm plinth
daring marlin
what have you been up to guilford
I resubbed to XIV and still haven't caught up on story lmao
Gym, league, d4, work
big snooze
HOW YOU DOIN NIM
daring marlin
warm plinth
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
I used other people's pings for my own ends
daring marlin
are you watching that
Sure am. I love The Boys so naturally I'd watch Gen V. Only disappointment has been episode lengths!
blazing condor
Holy ”this u?”
lusty grotto
hmm
daring marlin
Last two have been 40 and 41 mins. Sucks!
potent anvil
Prot owns
potent anvil
novel temple
Prot warrior rework 11.0
Honestly, they could probably just revert the nerfs and it'd be fine
bleak breach
Gen V is sick, there’s some weird stuff going on in there
warm plinth
What nerfs
jagged pier
Gen V is sick, there’s some weird stuff going on in there
based
they also linking it into the boys
and then we get one and one
bleak breach
Sick as in good
warm plinth
No spoilers pls
bleak breach
I’m Tasmanian, sick here is good
novel temple
What nerfs
the enrfs early on in the xpac
jagged pier
but if u watch the boys ull have to watch gen v
novel temple
cause we uh, used to be super good
daring marlin
with a continued story
YES DUDE
bleak breach
You upto date @jagged pier
novel temple
after the nerfs, i couldnt just solo stuff like i used to
jagged pier
i watched 6 eps
lusty grotto
But the show slaps
it is suprisingly good, just miss the comedy from the boys, this one seems a lot more serious
bleak breach
Yeah nice
warm plinth
But what nerfs lol
jagged pier
but ppl asked for no spoilers so
bleak breach
@warm plinth we got murdered at 10.0
warm plinth
🤔
bleak breach
Can’t remember what they did though, we were top tank with a gap
daring marlin
jagged pier
nope paladin was top
cinder nova
We didn't really get nerfed so much at everyone else got buffed.
warm plinth
When were we the top tank
daring marlin
Me waiting for new episodes
jagged pier
and we actually got stronger this expansion
bleak breach
Anyone watch the show From? That’s really good
warm plinth
Yeah we didn't get nerfed; other specs got buffed
cinder nova
Baking in outburst was such an amazing boon
bleak breach
Na we did receive nerfs
cinder nova
I just wish it still did effective I instead of damage and rage
warm plinth
We've been the same strength pretty much since the start of the expansion. In fact we've basically only gotten buffs.
bleak breach
I can’t remember what they were though, I’d have to go through patch notes and ain’t got time for that.
novel temple
we did receive nerfs and other specs got super buffed
warm plinth
What nerfs did we receive
novel temple
it'd also be nice if they changed battle scarred veteran on how it works
novel temple
Yeah, basically
bleak breach
It was to a few of our passive that increase stats or something
novel temple
😢
cinder nova
They need to make it how WOTN works
warm plinth
The armor to str to armor bug got fixed in beta.
cinder nova
Clap rend is actually old and they gave it back iirc
daring marlin
@lusty grotto Favorite character? 😏
cinder nova
Pretty sure we've had it before
warm plinth
Idk two people claiming nerfs but can't name one. Seems sus.
novel temple
Another thing would be if they just combined talent trees with talent rows too
sort of like rift
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> Favorite character? 😏
they are all dope pretty much
teal swift
Idk two people claiming nerfs but can't name one. Seems sus.
Indirect nerfs
bleak breach
A long time ago
novel temple
they could do it, theyre already doing it with pvp talents anyway
teal swift
Though prot warrior is actually just doing fine
warm plinth
Indirect nerfs? Wdym
teal swift
It's not a bear
vocal flame
Silly question I have been not playing for a bit, is this ring still viable? I dont have anything with a higher ilevel but I have a ring that is 405 with better secondary stats
warm plinth
Buffing other specs doesn't mean we got nerfed lol.
daring marlin
they are all dope pretty much
True. Hard to pick. Dean Shetty is near the top tho.
warm plinth
Silly question I have been not playing for a bit, is this ring still viable? I d...
It's better than the 405
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTjRKq03Big its not doom persay, and i've already played it about 5 times damn i wanna try this game with this mod though
teal swift
Indirect nerfs? Wdym
Unpopular class, gets less buffs, people flock to Meta, unpopular class performance is worse because everyone is playing fotm
lusty grotto
look at like one fo the early 10.0x patches
why dont you if you're claiming such a thing?
teal swift
People don't take the time to learn they just reroll vdh, bdk, bear
lusty grotto
thats your burden not his
sick sentinel
those weapon animations look smooth, monsters 3d, cool but not so great looking
novel temple
true
bleak breach
No burden to me
vocal flame
It's better than the 405
ok so still go with ilevel no matter what then
teal swift
All tanks are actually in a decent place right now
warm plinth
Yeah. Like a 415-418 ring is probably better
teal swift
2-3 key levels within each other.
bleak breach
It happened, believe it or don’t, doesn’t worry me at all. I ain’t going through patch notes to prove it
teal swift
Just delete druid, and the game will be balanced for tanks lol
warm plinth
I will gladly believe it if anyone can actually show where it happened lol.
lusty grotto
can we not post disinformation in here?
bleak breach
Druid gonna be bad next tier so it’s okay
vocal flame
Yeah. Like a 415-418 ring is probably better
ty!!
bleak breach
There’s no disinformation
silk kiln
I only remember seeing buffs this season
lusty grotto
silk kiln
Don’t recall s1
bleak breach
Here he goes
lusty grotto
post proof
bleak breach
The prot war channel Nazi that everyone hates
lusty grotto
or be quiet
warm plinth
He's not even talking to you though
teal swift
He was
lusty grotto
no im not
teal swift
Oh mb
lusty grotto
but whatever floats your boat 😉
teal swift
Gomenasorry
warm plinth
He's talking to the guy who claimed we were nerfed
teal swift
In like 2 months when nim comes around to liking me
warm plinth
Same. He's too much of a troll sometimes but he's a good lad
bleak breach
Not worth your time
teal swift
I want to be friends with everyone, everyone has different takes, and people are interesting
Everyone is worth my time.
cinder nova
I mean, claiming shit in a channel meant to be an informational hub and then acting like the onus of proof isn't in you is super petulant, especially if you gotta say more than once that you aren't gonna prove it.
bleak breach
teal swift
Substantial nerfs*
warm plinth
Okay that was during the time we were meta though so how does that have bearing on where we stand now?
teal swift
Looks like some minor down tuning
cinder nova
Technically nerfs, yes. I don't think they slowed us down in S1, though.
teal swift
cinder nova
BFI nerf is big though
teal swift
And the nerf seems to just be defensive unless I'm pepedenting
warm plinth
I do appreciate the actual proof of the nerfs you claimed regardless.
Overall those weren't particularly substantial though.
teal swift
Yeah, usually people refer to substantial nerfs, this just seems like slight downtuning
cinder nova
Third time's the charm
teal swift
Oh? The nerf just says block value down
bleak breach
Okay that was during the time we were meta though so how does that have bearing ...
You just asked for proof of nerfs, I provided.
cinder nova
warm plinth
Yeah the talent is both though is what I mean
teal swift
I don't see anything tuning down damage, unless your shit scales off block value
But I'm a bit dumb so idk if they do
warm plinth
It's not tuning down damage
bleak breach
There was a precious lot in 10.0, I just cannot find it. It’s a long way back
cinder nova
BFI is SS damage, and that's like all our ST
warm plinth
Why do nerfs going into the expansion matter though
bleak breach
They don’t
teal swift
BFI is SS damage, and that's like all our ST
Only the block value got nerfed
lusty grotto
youre all cuties
warm plinth
But even then, we were "meta" when those nerfs happened.
And we haven't been nerfed since
teal swift
youre all cuties
ty, you too
teal swift
But even then, we were "meta" when those nerfs happened.
Defensive nerfs shouldn't impact 90% of keystone levels that are being ran
daring marlin
I found the nerfs he was talking about
bleak breach
I can’t remember what it was, but was a kick in the dick. I returned to the game after launch, a bit between 10.0 and 10.0.5 and the week I got back they hit, then there was another lot.
teal swift
Demo shout is 25% again no?
lusty grotto
i remember those, Nome did the math and they werent impactful at all
daring marlin
correct
bleak breach
Na 20% damage 25% damage dealt?
warm plinth
Yeah like these were nothing
bleak breach
Could be wrong
lusty grotto
because we had so many fotm rerollers dooming
teal swift
Honestly, if you're at the level, where some defensive nerfs bricks your class
lusty grotto
there was a pin for it too
warm plinth
I will admit I was wrong about nerfs not happening but it still has no bearing on our position in the meta right now.
daring marlin
How are those baby nerfs a kick in the dick tho
teal swift
Like, literally just play better.
bleak breach
Yeah, nerfs like that only affect CE and top players
teal swift
Yeah, nerfs like that only affect CE and top players
False they should only affect
High tier keys and early CE
But people
bleak breach
They effect everyone, but you’ll only really notice it at the top end
teal swift
Are gonna be people
daring marlin
December 12th
5 mins late
teal swift
It's quite similar to min maxing your exact secondary stat values
When you're playing like an ape
In thebkey
novel temple
I suck at finding old hot fixes and patch nots
teal swift
With 0 defensive CD planning
lusty grotto
and yet they didnt cause we still got played all the way into s2 and through tournaments in NL, its just the group heal and motw from druids is outright better
teal swift
The best thing a player can do, is stop worrying about meta and learn to pilot
lusty grotto
druid tier also being better
teal swift
Tank pilot skill translates well
novel temple
I mean I’ve been playing prot warrior since BC
bleak breach
@daring marlin only a kick in the dick walking into nerfs. I’ve played it all xpac and done fine
lusty grotto
well ive been playing since vanilla so
lusty grotto
those arent even close to big nerfs, you should know that
novel temple
So yeah
teal swift
well ive been playing since vanilla so
I raid parse decently on tanks, that's all I got
Im really bad at the game tho
novel temple
None of us are gonna change on that matter
warm plinth
I've only been playing warrior since Legion. I don't matter.
teal swift
Every tier I actually raid I'm like full purple, oranges and sometimes some pinks
novel temple
United we stand against guardians always getting the good shit
lusty grotto
its not an "IP is now on the GCD" level of nerf
novel temple
From our nerfs in legion
lusty grotto
to name a few
warm plinth
Bro actually fuck whatever dev tried to pull that sjit
novel temple
Our shit tuning and GCD capping in bfa
warm plinth
Shit
novel temple
Yeah, that shit was ducking stupid
bleak breach
I miss legion IP
teal swift
Bro actually fuck whatever dev tried to pull that sjit
Didn't they put most tank mitigation on the gcd
warm plinth
No
novel temple
I miss legion IP
Before the nerf?
lusty grotto
we were fine in BFA, people just didnt notice until this channel started parsing hard on Zul
warm plinth
Cooldowns, yeah. But not normal mitigation spells
teal swift
Was actually a casual nerds wet dream
novel temple
Cause inspiring presence was awesome
teal swift
Remember when we went back to old world
In cata
Can we have back to legion xpac
Where we receive classhalls
Artifact weps
novel temple
In legion pre patch I almost soloed mythic mannoroth from like 20%
warm plinth
I just miss my skyhold super hero landings tbh
warm plinth
And warbringer ofc
teal swift
Rogues got a pickpocket minigame
novel temple
And in legion pre patch I put together an entirely prot warrior raid
I miss intercept
That combined charge and intervene
That shit was nuts
teal swift
I just miss legion classhalls
lusty grotto
i do miss intervene + reflect though
novel temple
Yeah
teal swift
And want them back tbh
novel temple
One less button is great
lusty grotto
I just miss my skyhold super hero landings tbh
truee
novel temple
I don’t miss reprisal from shadowlands but I do miss 100% banner
teal swift
I don’t miss reprisal from shadowlands but I do miss 100% banner
We have the new charge
With the 4s stun
And bunch of procs lol
novel temple
We have the new charge
Yup
bleak breach
Before the nerf?
It was good all through legion, got bullied between legion and BFA
lusty grotto
safeguard, reflective plating, warbringer
warm plinth
90% IP was kinda insane though tbf, especially with how insane our rage generation was toward the end of Legion
novel temple
Especially when you used shield charge with spear and sonic boom shockwave to basically one shot people
90% ip was nerfed early on iirc
novel temple
They should’ve done an in the middle nerf to like 65\70%
warm plinth
What
novel temple
Cause EN was like the only place our artifact ability was good
warm plinth
IP was 90% the entire expansion. It wasn't nerfed until BFA
novel temple
On cenarius to reduce the size of the spear circle
lusty grotto
there was an IP nerf during EN, im pretty sure
novel temple
I think you might be incorrect on that one
lusty grotto
i cant recall what specifically though
bleak breach
IP was 90% the entire expansion. It wasn't nerfed until BFA
Yep 100%
novel temple
Cause then nighthold felt terrible as a prot warrior to me
bleak breach
It got changed to 50% in BFA and also required more rage to cap, plus had a cap
warm plinth
Wasn't nighthold when they had it on gcd though?
bleak breach
Maybe?
warm plinth
Yeah it was definitely not nerfed in Legion from 90%
bleak breach
In legion you could also have like double your health pool worth of Ip
They put a cap on it
warm plinth
That was in BFA for sure.
bleak breach
That was the nerf
I don’t think it had a rage limit early either
Honestly can’t remember, I just know it was 90% all of legion and busted with our rage gen
Also revenge still did damage then
novel temple
That was nice too
Imagine if they did something to add more old tier sets to the class and also add more old artifact abilities
But yeah
Apparently bfa did the 50% for ip
Weird
I thought there was something besides the max absorb in en
lusty grotto
i cant remember what the EN nerf was im pretty sure there was something
lusty grotto
i think it was just scaling maybe
warm plinth
They nerfed the max absorb by 33% in Oct 2016
lusty grotto
ok yea
cinder nova
I miss FR
warm plinth
And I think it was based on % health and went to the weapon damage formula around that time?
cinder nova
That talent slapped.
lusty grotto
the absorb calc was adjusted
cinder nova
It made the PWarr rotation feel like it had a lot more nuance and mastery
And the chonky damage was peak
Too many brainlets couldn't wrap their heads around it though, so they stripped it out
warm plinth
Also it was in fact BFA when it was added to GCD, then was removed in 8.1
I found the article of the list that got added.
cinder nova
Did FR even survive to see EN?
I feel like it didn't even make it to the first raid.
warm plinth
Yeah I think FR got removed shortly before I came back from my break, which was end of EN tier
Looks like it was removed in 7.1.5 which I believe was the nighthold patch?
lusty grotto
yeah
and we got devastator
which we didnt play until BFA
and only for ST
because of its interaction with the azerite trait that i discovered worked with it
teal swift
Yeah. I hope we never have to press devastate
I kinda like it tho
Gives me button to push
warm plinth
You always have a button to push though
We're one of the highest apm specs in the game
teal swift
You always have a button to push though
Need more
warm plinth
Reckless flurry was what
teal swift
Make 5 different builder spells all tuned worse than the previous
So if you don't know which one tonuse
warm plinth
Oh the artifact trait
teal swift
You just int
mighty valley
we're barely able to press revenge at this point, when is devastate getting a chance?
warm plinth
Shield slam for days let's go
teal swift
we're barely able to press revenge at this point, when is devastate getting a ch...
Unpopular opinion: add more useless buttons like slam and ww
lusty grotto
on ST parse specs we played Reckless Flurry with devastator in BFA, that was the only way we played devastator
warm plinth
I want an updated thunder clap animation
warm plinth
I discovered that you're cute
lusty grotto
no u
warm plinth
My only contribution to the game was a talent change in TBC
lusty grotto
nonsense
warm plinth
Pretty sure they just copy pasted my forum post
warm plinth
teal swift
I contributed a little in shadowlands
Not much tho
Plenty for wow classic vanilla
But that's a meme game so who tf cares
warm plinth
There was a change in tbc where they made forms cost more mana because rdruids were shifting too freely in pvp. My contribution was to add an 80% mana reduction on to one of the talents that resto couldn't realistically take, because the change royally fucked feral. They used exactly my idea. 
bleak breach
Knew I was right about the ip change 😉
warm plinth
Yeah I had to look to make sure we weren't crazy
lusty grotto
yes but nobody knew about it because it was discarded
strong forum
Well yeah it's just pure parse whoring so it wasn't considered
strong forum
Yeah tbh
warm plinth
Nome how you feeling about 10.2? Hyped, indifferent, shit?
In general I mean, not pwar specifically
strong forum
I think devastator was probably always the play in raid in hindsight
But Sims weren't as advanced
So HR was probably also oversimming
lusty grotto
could be fun to resim it
but im sure that'll happen when classic servers catch up lmao
median tulip
I'm old enough to remember when Devastate was the new hotness.
teal swift
@strong forum hi nomer
lusty grotto
tbc?
teal swift
Remember me bb
strong forum
Hi yuzu
lusty grotto
it was tbc
strong forum
Ofc I do
lusty grotto
because it applied sunder
strong forum
Been a year or 2
strong forum
Nome how you feeling about 10.2? Hyped, indifferent, shit?
Pretty indifferent
Tierset is fun for novelty reasons for a bit
warm plinth
I don't remember yuzu :/
median tulip
because it applied sunder
Yep. And did damage. Tanking was an exercise in spreading and maintaining Sunder stacks.
warm plinth
Maybe I was on a break then or something
strong forum
But aside from that, 10.2 looks pretty much the same
warm plinth
Except we get to hate ourselves in TotT
mighty valley
yeah devastate was a reaction to... "it's weird that your filler threat gen ability does literally no damage"
strong forum
Anybody who claims they can feel pwar being any different in 10.2 is just coping or didn't play pwar well enough
warm plinth
I think we did at the end right? Because we didn't have time to press devastate?
strong forum
We ran devastator since its rework in 7.2
novel temple
Wait, devastator was the go to in legion and bfa
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
No it wasn't in bfa
lusty grotto
we didnt run it early legion
strong forum
In legion devastator was good because it gave +5 rage on auto attack after 7.2
In bfa we didn't run devastator until late BoD for raid exclusively
novel temple
That might’ve been around one of my breaks
novel temple
You all didn’t?
warm plinth
👀
median tulip
yeah devastate was a reaction to... "it's weird that your filler threat gen abil...
Yeah. It actually seemed like a pretty decent way to tank as warrior, at the time. It's dogawful if you try to go back to it in classic now, mind
novel temple
I might’ve came back again during when it got changed
warm plinth
It's funny looking back at old school wow because the builds I see people running now in classic were nothing like what people in my raid were running lol
novel temple
Cause I sometimes play on and off again
bleak breach
I agree @strong forum
warm plinth
Like a lot of tanks are really heavy into fury I think? But our MT was giga prot
novel temple
Due to deployments and the work schedule
strong forum
yeah devastate was a reaction to... "it's weird that your filler threat gen abil...
Devastate got buffed in SL because it was just infinitely worse than devastator
But even after devastate buffs it didn't make punish + devastate better over playing devastator
bleak breach
I think pwar will be the exact same, just probably better numbers and maybe a bit better mitigation.
Gameplay itself will be exact same
strong forum
It hits very hard for a spammable ability, but proccing devastator every Auto attack is just way stronger
median tulip
Like a lot of tanks are really heavy into fury I think? But our MT was giga pro...
I was always 5 points in Cruelty, I remember that much.
mighty valley
Devastate got buffed in SL because it was just infinitely worse than devastator
...
sorry, i was talking about when it was made in tbc
as an upgrade to sunder doing literal zero damage
warm plinth
It'll be interesting to see how the scaling works out. Do you think they're going to compensate properly for the bigger power gain?
strong forum
Gameplay itself will be exact same
Not exact same, you do adjust for tierset procs, but it doesn't change the general playstyle, you just react/predict procs slightly differently
novel temple
Also I got hit in a car wreck recently so I’m definitely having some memory problems
vocal flame
Shield of the earth over shadowed impact buckler? Earth gives the 313 versatility chance
strong forum
Both suck
warm plinth
Memory is a crutch anyway
median tulip
Also I got hit in a car wreck recently so I’m definitely having some memory prob...
Damn. Take care of yourself; concussive brain injuries are no joke.
vocal flame
If you craft one, craft primal molten defender
Ok thank you!!
novel temple
Either way, are we gonna just get more talent points and no tree extension or are trees gonna be reworked again
warm plinth
Who knows
lusty grotto
i suppose thats for them to decide
warm plinth
I think they'd have to expand the talent tree though because there would be a lot of OP combinations probably if they just gave us more points.
novel temple
Damn. Take care of yourself; concussive brain injuries are no joke.
I was standing watch two days after while my chief during the night of the accident tried telling our independent duty corpsman not to send me to the emergency room
lusty grotto
talent trees should be an evergreen system now
novel temple
🥴
strong forum
Our tree has very few issues
warm plinth
Like us in general, not pwar specificallt
strong forum
If any tank gets a rework
It's bdk
Their tree is super shit
Like utter dogwater
novel temple
Bear getting sleeper is op op
warm plinth
Yeah I don't foresee a pwar rework
novel temple
They should tie in more legendary abilities with it too
strong forum
You're lagging a bit behind it seems
median tulip
Either way, are we gonna just get more talent points and no tree extension or ar...
The extra 10 levels will be special racial talent Points for a racial talent tree. Gnome will suddenly be so OP that everyone race swaps. /S
warm plinth
I wouldn't hate seeing nelth's fury come back. Just because I thought it was a neat ability.
novel temple
But I’d rather get am reworked to giving cdr on everything again
pallid quiver
The extra 10 levels will be special racial talent Points for a racial talent tre...
I'll burn the planet down.
novel temple
If nelths fury became a buff and not a cast, sure
warm plinth
Luerce
pallid quiver
A celestial body that lets gnomes thrive in any way is a celestial body that shouldn't exist
warm plinth
How do you have the motivation to turn off the reply ping every time
pallid quiver
Because I don't want to be rude
median tulip
Like us in general, not pwar specificallt
I would like to see Avatar moved into the 8+ section, centrally on the class tree. It's ridiculous that such a core ability is on rank 10 of the tree.
warm plinth
Fuck that. I'm pinging everyone
pallid quiver
So it's vitally important to me to make sure I only ever have it actually ping if I need to
warm plinth
@ everyone
pallid quiver
I also know a lot of people who get mega bothered over pings, so it's easier for me to just, like,
Not be an ass to them
novel temple
Or have some abilities brought back baseline with their talents integrated for new talents in the tree
pallid quiver
I don't understand why they don't adjust their notification settings if they don't like them, but it is what it is
warm plinth
The admin of MPF was upset with me because I started using everyone pings for announcements
median tulip
That's kinda what everyone is for
lusty grotto
Arfus is avoiding me 😢
warm plinth
That's kinda what everyone is for
He doesn't like seeing the people leave afterward
Even though it's always people who never used the server anyway
pallid quiver
People lose their minds over everyone pings
I don't get it
Like I've seen people start slinging death threats over an everyone ping once before
warm plinth
If you can turn it off, I have no sympathy for you getting mad about it
pallid quiver
calm down man
median tulip
I use them all the time on my guild server. Often for raid o'clock pings
warm plinth
I even put the instructions for how to do it in one of my announcements lul
mighty valley
it just inevitably causes enough spam from people who don't know what's happened that it's impossible to find what caused the ping
chaos reigns
daring marlin
First thing I do when I join a discord is mute everything.
pallid quiver
I have almost all my notification settings at the most unonstrusive level
pallid quiver
it just inevitably causes enough spam from people who don't know what's happened...
You can search for pings and mentions
warm plinth
median tulip
It's not like my phone is allowed to ever make any noise anyway
warm plinth
Imagine having notification sounds on on your phone in 2023 amirite
warm plinth
I have had my discord ones muted (except specific mentions) since gallywix because ad trainers got pinged hundreds of times a day
strong forum
Full mute every Server
lusty grotto
i mute them too
strong forum
Only direct @'s show up
lusty grotto
yar
bleak breach
Only rework I’d realistically like to see on the previous convo, shockwave as baseline and maybe banners or something different back. Would like a second offensive cd of some sort.
Mine is just all free porn links 😜
lusty grotto
its a mess cause i have way too many discs
lusty grotto
including ffxiv ones
bleak breach
Yep agree
strong forum
Shockwave directly competing with throughput nodes is shit
bleak breach
Either baseline or move it earlier
strong forum
Especially if you have to take a shit talent like the 5%stam talent for it
bleak breach
Yeah it’s a nothing talent
strong forum
No business being a 3rd gate talent
median tulip
Seriously, Avatar more accessible would solve a lot of issues. It shouldn't be a third section talent.
strong forum
Eh iunno about that
bleak breach
Wouldn’t even mind the banners as a 3rd capstone.
median tulip
Pallys get their big self buff CD right after the first gate
sick sentinel
if its stupid and it works isnt stupid
waxen frigate
Especially if you have to take a shit talent like the 5%stam talent for it
stam is ehp
🙂
sick sentinel
probably good protection if you get hit
bleak breach
I just think give us a baseline offensive talent plus avatar, I don’t think our tree needs a lot of change outside of shockwave.
strong forum
👉 🚪
lusty grotto
stam is ehp
bleak breach
Wouldn’t even mind the potential of bringing back the party bonus to ravager as prot
Maybe instead of one of those stupid bonus selections they have
strong forum
Remove ravager, replace with nelth fury + good nodes
Or replace with banner + good nodes
strong forum
Don't get me wrong I like ravager, but I'd gladly give it up for actually cool abilities with GOOD NODES
strong forum
Not sure if I played when that was about or remember it
Legion artifact ability
strong forum
Channel a frontal for 3seconds and have 100% critblock during it
But it was a gigantic dps loss to press
median tulip
Banner 
bleak breach
Yeah, feels weird using the same ability in pretty much all specs too
strong forum
or if it does, heavily reworked
Personal only, nerf the rage gen
lavish sphinx
I, for one, enjoy sending my Ravager to get stuck in some trees
bleak breach
Wouldn’t mind prot having something very different
median tulip
Nor are blizz
waxen frigate
Personal only, nerf the rage gen
where do you think the uptime should land
strong forum
Im not very good in making shit up
strong forum
where do you think the uptime should land
100% if played well
bleak breach
Just give us godmode double noob tubes and be done with it
waxen frigate
yeah i doubt they'll do that
strong forum
10% if you play like ass and not play around it at all
100% if you actually play your class well
strong forum
yeah i doubt they'll do that
The hardest part of banner in SL was using reprisal to get the rage
median tulip
The only problem with banner is that people who were bad at warrior complained about not being able to keep the uptime rolling, and apparently "git gud" isn't an acceptable response for some reason
strong forum
We don't have reprisal anymore
So the requirement has to come from generating rage simply by pressing buttons
lusty grotto
The only problem with banner is that people who were bad at warrior complained a...
eh i disagree, even people like Nerf did big keys with like 40% uptime
waxen frigate
personally i dislike 100% uptime potential
lusty grotto
thats how you knew he was shit at warrior
waxen frigate
because it feels like shit if you have downtime
strong forum
The only problem with banner is that people who were bad at warrior complained a...
The problem was even then people thinking banner wasn't good enough to bother trying
lusty grotto
but the class was still more than playable with sub 100
strong forum
The amount of people
Who still played kyrian cuz they didn't wanna bother playing necro
It's literally pta vs woo
Except way bigger difference between the 2
median tulip
I mostly got 90%+ uptime. Which was entirely reasonable given travel time in some dungeons.
strong forum
I think late once achieved 100%
lusty grotto
grimrail was my biggest offender of traveltime
strong forum
True (details) 100%
bleak breach
On a different note, I started trying to use keybinds instead of clicking yesterday and was in a world of hurt
median tulip
Grimrail Depot was a fucking terrible dungeon
lusty grotto
nerf was just ass with it though
strong forum
Dorki played warrior?
Yeah nah fam
Maybe in 10.0 pre-patch
When banner Was the biggest joke to maintain
lusty grotto
he did test runs
not like key contenders
but he played it well
cant really dethrone a gavel bdk 🙂
strong forum
You'd think
lusty grotto
at least in their eyes
strong forum
We have concrete proof of "R1" tanks opting NOT to play gavel
median tulip
The whole of Shadowlands was just awful for warrior builds, because we were absolutely locked into exactly one legendary because the base kit couldn't cut it
lusty grotto
heh
bleak breach
I didn’t play shadowlands at all, only xpac I’ve never played.
But at that stage I was sure I was done for good too…
median tulip
I didn’t play shadowlands at all, only xpac I’ve never played.
Congratulations
teal swift
I didn’t play shadowlands at all, only xpac I’ve never played.
Season 1 and 2 were fun, raids were neat
I then quit until
Like 5 days ago
strong forum
The whole of Shadowlands was just awful for warrior builds, because we were abso...
Said it time and time again, but I didn't hate reprisal itself
It was just frustrating that your survivability depended on it when you couldnt charge weave easily
I loved the skill expression
median tulip
Season 1 and 2 were fun, raids were neat
Shadowlands season 1 M+ was utter dogshit tho
modern brook
Reprisal sucked cause it was a solution to problems
bleak breach
I finished at 2nd or 3rd raid in BFA, can’t remember which one, then came back a few weeks before 10.0.5
median tulip
Said it time and time again, but I didn't hate reprisal itself
It was just frus...
Reprisal would have been fine if there were other options. There just weren't.
teal swift
Shadowlands season 1 M+ was utter dogshit tho
I got ksm pretty easy
strong forum
Ask 50-70%of raid pwars
teal swift
Was fun to learn new dungeons
teal swift
I used reprisal
teal swift
Reprisal was literally 10x easier tho
It gave actual uptime on shield block
So you didn't int every other pull
strong forum
It wasn't easier, but it was just infinitely better
teal swift
📈
strong forum
Outside of like 1 or 2 bosses
strong forum
Where you could never reliably charge weave
teal swift
With reprisal than anything else
median tulip
Most bosses it was just timing to get Reprisal working.
novel temple
Reprisal would’ve been fine with intercept
strong forum
Iron willed to say reprisal was unplayable in raid
strong forum
Reprisal would’ve been fine with intercept
We did have intervene
novel temple
But it was playable in raid
strong forum
It was optimal
teal swift
Leap out charge in
strong forum
Not even that
teal swift
Was enough for me lol
novel temple
Yeah but bring me back intercept so I can have all the mobility
jagged pier
Charge weaving is literally part of warrior
strong forum
General downtime
hollow flower
Is it still right for ST to not wait for shield Slam when violent outburst is ready?
jagged pier
Yeah but bring me back intercept so I can have all the mobility
U can just take it
teal swift
So much extra rage fen
median tulip
Most bosses have some sort of cast. Plus of you can charge for the tank swap.
jagged pier
Is it still right for ST to not wait for shield Slam when violent outburst is re...
U always wait
Or geta reset with revenge
strong forum
Is it still right for ST to not wait for shield Slam when violent outburst is re...
U always wait up to 2 globals
jagged pier
U dont send it on tc
lusty grotto
U can just take it
intercept not intervene
either way its not needed
charge has 2 charges anyway
median tulip
Yeah but bring me back intercept so I can have all the mobility
Charge now is basically what Intercept used to be.
strong forum
If you don't get an SS reset in 2 globals and SS is still a long time on CD, you send it on TC
hollow flower
Ah ok thx
strong forum
Most of the time in m+ aswell
warm plinth
It's really rare that you won't have ss in the next global so shouldn't be too big of a deal
Just don't be like me and monkey brain a tc
median tulip
Way way back Intercept was only Berserker Stance. That was often fun to do in a dungeon
teal swift
Unpopular opinion, it's okay to be bad at wow, and not optimize, just please charge
warm plinth
I still remember the great reference in the berserker stance quest
The guy who gave the quest was named Klannoc MacLeod
lusty grotto
heh the fight club island
warm plinth
Highlander reference
warm plinth
I think the bigger shit community now is Ruin though, if you play in war mode anyway.
teal swift
Fight club was packed with:
Racism,
a huge amount of crossdressing,
AND A LOT OF ELITISM
at one point they got warned by actual discord staff
To stop people from posting N words and other things
warm plinth
Imagine the amount of racism in top 100 guilds though.
teal swift
Or the discord would be shut down
warm plinth
Like I'd be scared to see all their dms and shit
teal swift
And over half the staff trades cross dressing pictures for gold
But this was many years ago
Idk if it's better now lul
warm plinth
The fuck
lusty grotto
i had no idea any of this happened when i played
teal swift
It was in classic wow
lusty grotto
yes
warm plinth
I don't remember this community either
teal swift
I was in there for like 3-4 phases, got invited to some of the staff offshoots
lusty grotto
i sped run when it first came out
teal swift
Like fight club afterdark
lusty grotto
i do remember it
teal swift
warm plinth
But I only played end of classic. I started in October of 06
lusty grotto
im still in it apparently
teal swift
But I only played end of classic. I started in October of 06
That's vanilla
Not classic
grim pilot
Damn ive been thinking of rewatching fight club for the past few days
Out of the blue
teal swift
Classic is the scuffed osrs copycat shit
grim pilot
Such a good movie
teal swift
Yepyep
Classic would've been better
If warriors were removed
Unironically
Like, every tank was a warrior
50% or DPS were warriors
warm plinth
That's how vanilla was too though
teal swift
World buff + warriors = idiot proof content
teal swift
That's how vanilla was too though
Not for most of it
Hunter's mages warlocks etc
Way more popular
warm plinth
No I mean tanks
teal swift
Ah yesh
Druids were actually good tsnks
They just weren't warriors
Lmao
Paladin tanks though, literal meme
But frfr, everyone whines about how easy classicnis
Then you see 25+ warriors in the 40 man raid
With world buffs
And you're like
strong forum
The game is literally unplayable unless you play actually good classes in classic tho
Cuz it's so insanely broken of a game
warm plinth
I was a druid tank main from vanilla til MoP
strong forum
Gl playing fucking shadowpriest, dps druid of ANY form
Arcane mage
So many dps specs outright unplayable
warm plinth
One of our top dps in tbc was a shadow priest. They were one of the few specs that had a thriving TC community back then
But that's tbc ofc not vanilla
teal swift
I was a decent prot warrior
Absolute dog water guild tho
Never got to fix my Luci parse ;-;
Someone cucked me every time
We had 1 fury warrior that was actually insane, so I needed to do damage to hold threat
toxic pewter
Classic+ will balance vanilla after twenty years