#protection
cerulean tusk
toxic pewter
Yeah coward
waxen frigate
strong forum
Cuz that's every caster
The casters you'll run into are 95% dog
And 5% the best player you've ever seen
There is no in-between
median tulip
Personally I am awful at SPriest and all other casters
I tried to raid as Demolock back in BfA. It did not go well.
waxen frigate
And 5% the best player you've ever seen
I’d say 1% rn on spriests
Bc fotm
And spriests even before
cerulean tusk
Only caster I played well, was warlock in SL during the rain if fire era
waxen frigate
Were worse than most casters
cerulean tusk
Does BDK with blood drinker count as caster?
opaque quest
Only for 2 seconds
cerulean tusk
I am a decent caster
opaque quest
But honestly
if you do 52k overall with 440 in NL fortified
Maybe switch to a different class or uninstall
Or practice in +2s
cerulean tusk
So ppl complain about a clear bug, that isn't on live? That the dooming? 
opaque quest
Doesnt seem to be on live since his debuffs were 1 and 2 
@waxen frigate why are so many brews using 447 crafted weps over djaruun? No loot luck or am i missing smth
waxen frigate
Mythic Djaruun is bis
Otherwise yea
Rng
Forgestorm is a mess
Of rng
And you lose stats
opaque quest
I just simmed djaruun and even the HC version is 4k ahead of my double crafted 447s thought they would at least run 441
waxen frigate
It’s more situational with a 441 but I’d still run it over crafted
For a lot of them I’d imagine it’s just
Craft 2 weapons stop caring
opaque quest
Aight cool. Thanks. Ive done 3 full HC raids now and gotten exactly 0 items from that the 2 TWs or the 4MM cache. Ill just craft everything then
I got bomb dispenser normal. What do i run with it? Mark?
sweet summit
why full bars on all...
opaque quest
I like color
static aspen
Wtf are these bars, they make no sense
bleak breach
If he likes full bars who cares lol
toxic pewter
O_O
hollow flower
I got bomb dispenser normal. What do i run with it? Mark?
Mark or even better beacon
opaque quest
Mark or even better beacon
Mate i cant get anything in HC. Ive done 3 runs and some TW weeklies and im still 434. Beacon is further out of reach then jupiter for musk lmao
Mark sounds good tho ty
hollow flower
Best way to get iLevel is Just Spam 17 Keys and craft
And 17 cause Hero loot for t sets
Or trinkets
opaque quest
Im a 3k+ main. I know the basics. Mostly. Just wasnt sure about trinkets on brew. Your help is appreciated tho ❤️
Spamming low keys is just rough at the moment. Most ppl do 50k dps when im doing 90. Its mega sad and makes the process take ages
hollow flower
Yeah how good your dds are is a complete dice roll
But from what i heard random Tanks are even worse
sharp ruin
yo guys what u think about port warr in 10.2?
i think can be a very good tank in M
M+* and a viable choice for rai
pallid quiver
Absolutely unplayable, can't even do open world content
jagged pier
it will be fine
pallid quiver
no jakey you're supposed to double down on my shitpost smh
pallid quiver
Excellent, perfect, this is why you're the best
jagged pier
pallid quiver
Seriously, though, all the tanks will be fine, War will be solid, main meta definer will likely end up being what leggo does and just community perception, really
Once we get better ideas of damage breakdowns of instances/bosses, we'll be able to say which tank is the absolute best for a given content, but all can clear
DF has been very kind to tank strength overall, community perception not-withstanding
pallid quiver
Oh damn, right, how could I be so stupid
pallid quiver
It's a shame they nerfed War into the ground when it was finally moderately playable start of S1 smh
jagged pier
TRUE
blazing condor
the one time in history we go from being absolutely trash to a good spec
they gotta come down and absolutely nerf us back to oblivion
jagged pier
lets be fair most of the time we are a good spec but pppl say we bad because they dont know how to play it
blazing condor
jagged pier
ionic fern
Je, our class is garbage. Our players are amazing- that's why the class seems fine.
oblique garnet
the one time in history we go from being absolutely trash to a good spec
How can you even compare the shitty snail spec to the highlight that was banner gameplay
jagged pier
i mean its like 20 cpms less
jagged pier
its just S1 SLs prot speed
blazing condor
How can you even compare the shitty snail spec to the highlight that was banner ...
its a joke
oblique garnet
And in s1 it was way more than 20cpm
blazing condor
we werent considered absolute meta with banner spec
like we were in 10.0
i miss banner
oblique garnet
we werent considered absolute meta with banner spec
How could we be go against 90% parry
blazing condor
yes we werent meta
but we all remember how the talk was when the game launched
until ppl figured out that pala was actually better
oblique garnet
🤯 Meta where you need interrupts and stops and externals and paladin is good
Shouldve seen it coming
blazing condor
what do you mean utility is important in high end content
i thought tanking was all about not taking damage
oblique garnet
i thought tanking was all about not taking damage
If this was the case we would be meta 90% of the time
warm plinth
There needs to be a special circle of hell for the people who keep cancelling a role check in timewalking but don't leave the fucking group.
jagged pier
they all afk cause because it takes like an hour for a dps
blazing condor
ghash wants my mom to go to hell
blazing condor
where there's cake
warm plinth
where they get their hair pulled out by the root one at a time
blazing condor
cancer patients who play the game celebrating rn
warm plinth
bold raven
Perhaps silly question, but do you run battle stance or defensive stance generally?
jagged pier
bstance
ionic fern
Battle stance.
I heard that Defensive stance is bugged - if you swap into it, you trigger the entire Skyhold #protection channel.
We get a notification about it here.
blazing condor
so that was what that was
jagged pier
based
ionic fern
Je, sorry, i mis-clicked dstance.
bold raven
hahaha
jagged pier
😮
blazing condor
Je, sorry, i mis-clicked dstance.
warm plinth
Damnit Mwahi, us mericans were trying to sleep
jagged pier
dont lie u dont sleep
ionic fern
😦
jagged pier
your in here more than me
ionic fern
You are always up.
warm plinth
ionic fern
your in here more than me
Literally this.
warm plinth
not as much now because work blocked discord again 😢
jagged pier
😮
warm plinth
and using it on mobile is lame
oblique garnet
I heard that Defensive stance is bugged - if you swap into it, you trigger the e...
Fake news you can switch to defensive stance when your healer died because you did some stupid 3 pack pull and hes still running back
ionic fern
Fake news you can switch to defensive stance when your healer died because you d...
No you can't.
It's grayed out.
jagged pier
thats why i get triggered all the time
warm plinth
Live with the consequences of your action and finish it off like a boss
jagged pier
its late running keys
ionic fern
Je. 😂
warm plinth
actions*
oblique garnet
But then you die and lose dps 
ionic fern
But then you die and lose dps <:critcake:984549832511344640>
If you die, everyone dies. You have lower CD's, you have them up by the time you get back. The DPS have 2-3m CD's, they won't have them.
So you blow your CD's
And do big damage.
warm plinth
wtb faster tw queues
oblique garnet
Perhaps silly question, but do you run battle stance or defensive stance general...
In all seriousness switch to defensive stance on big tank busters or when its a big pull in m+ and you are running out of cds
oblique garnet
Smh these mods not taking questions seriously
warm plinth
It's funny because Jakey is usually the one getting on people for meming the lurkers lol
blazing condor
time for SF wipe
oblique garnet
time for SF wipe
No because if jakey is gone then we have to be more active
jagged pier
yer wipe me
blazing condor
its trickle down dw
blazing condor
Sometimes at least
warm plinth
bold raven
In all seriousness switch to defensive stance on big tank busters or when its a ...
thanks for letting me know!
oh wow, battle stance definitely required some finger action. Hammering on the ignore pain button
jagged pier
it shouldnt change your rotation at all
blazing condor
yeah the stance is just an aura
damage taken/done
is the only thing that changes
(and crit chance)
bold raven
I mean I take a bit more damage = more ignore pains I guess :>
blazing condor
if you play correctly you're p much always gonna be full stack IP
anyway
unless you take constant heavy magic damage
bold raven
I slap the ignore pain button quite often, so I assume I'm playing incorrectly lol
blazing condor
thats not necessarily wrong
you usually have high casts of IP because you need to not overcap rage
and IP is off the GCD so you can "dump" rage onto IP
which is good
blazing condor
you CAN definitely overuse IP though so i guess it depends on how you play
which we'd need a log to really tell
warm plinth
Not really. Gut instinct says it's high but log would be ideal.
bold raven
Okay :> I'll log the next one!
warm plinth
Thing is, generally we wouldn't be like oh you're pressing IP too much because you pressing IP too much is probably a byproduct of you doing something else incorrectly.
So even if we could say for certain that you're pressing it too much, that wouldn't really tell the whole story.
bold raven
I'm very conservative with the shield wall uses I think
warm plinth
Yeah you can slam shield wall unless you are gonna need it in the next ~1 min
blazing condor
you can afford to press both shield wall and Last stand quite often now
because tier set and Anger Management-talent
warm plinth
and LS is on CD until you replace this tier
blazing condor
yeah its different now
bold raven
more heavy def cd usage
bold raven
ahah, i guess it would be clever to read what the tier set does. I just transitioned from arms
It makes total sense now
blazing condor
tier set is basically just "press LS on cd and do big damage"
blazing condor
o
ionic fern
Smh these mods not taking questions seriously<:Late:1111578256697729055>
See, "Big tank busters" or "When you are running out of CDs". In m+ i don't think i've ever used DStance. In raid i've used it 2 times, on Experiments and on Zskarn. That's about it.
If he's just doing HC - chances are he won't need d stance..ever.
So i guess the correct answer is "Use dstance if the damage intake requires it".
bold raven
If he's just doing HC - chances are he won't need d stance..ever.
Purely doing M+ 🙏
oblique garnet
See, "Big tank busters" or "When you are running out of CDs". In m+ i don't thin...
You also havent done any real keys tho 
You definitely need it in couple of places
warm plinth
cutest pirate ever
ionic fern
You definitely need it in couple of places
So i guess the correct answer is "Use dstance if the damage intake requires it".
Hense this part.
oblique garnet
So i guess the correct answer is "Use dstance if the damage intake requires it".
Pretty sure the big tank buster implies that no?
bold raven
So i guess the correct answer is "Use dstance if the damage intake requires it".
Noted! THank u
blazing condor
valkyr civil war 
oblique garnet
chilly brook
Mwahi is always right
ionic fern
To me implied you swap to dstance for every big tank buster.
chilly brook
Therefore Late is wrong
jagged pier
i dont know what tank busteres u would need it for even goer higher tho
oblique garnet
i dont know what tank busteres u would need it for even goer higher tho
Hulks in NL
Just off the top of my head
oblique garnet
But that is also a big tank buster
ionic fern
I'm just nitpicking probably. 😂 THe wording was weird on your initial statement.
jagged pier
i mean the dots the issue right
ionic fern
So we all agree. Swap to dstance if you a scaredy cat.
ionic fern
I like Teemo.
warm plinth
swap to dstance if you a lil bitch
ionic fern
It gives me satisfcation to know that just by existing in the game everyone is tilted.
chilly brook
B-stance is for Garen chads
ionic fern
INcluding my own team.
bold raven
i wanna be a chad, bstance right through molten crash in nl
blazing condor
with those mushrooms
blazing condor
i wanna be a chad, bstance right through molten crash in nl
heres the neat thing
its reflectable
ionic fern
bold raven
ah shit
chilly brook
Why take damage when you can make the boss take the damage instead?
bold raven
i'll take it like a man and make my healer's life more joyful
chilly brook
ionic fern
But je, all in all, there's a time and place to use defensive stance. When is it, that's up to you - depending on the content you are doing, familiarity of the class and other abilities currently available.
bold raven
i'm about to do my first NL as prot, I heard it's a joy for the spec
blazing condor
only really the hulk pull that can be annoying
otherwise giga easy
lots of reflects and fun stuff
bold raven
ah sweet
warm plinth
@potent anvil can you believe this guy
@ionic fern why is one of my favorite curse words banned in here
pls fix
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> why is one of my favorite curse words banned in here
Don't curse.
I never really paid attention to it, but now when i'm driving in the car with my daughter and listening to music, she always points out the curse words on the songs, after which i swap the song.
There's sooooooooooooooo many curse words in songs.
jagged pier
it is odd in euopre tho
they arent censored on the radio
well they might be now
but remeber when i was young on holiday in the car extra songs that were censored in the UK just werent in EU
ionic fern
Je, that's true.
warm plinth
Don't curse.
Fiddlesticks.
blazing condor
There's sooooooooooooooo many curse words in songs.
not if you only listen to nursery rhymes
ionic fern
Fiddlesticks.
Always reminds me of Saladfingers.
blazing condor
holy boomer
ionic fern
not if you only listen to nursery rhymes
Naa, that time is over.
warm plinth
My sister had never seen it and she has the darkest sense of humor ever
and she wouldn't watch it after the first episode
ionic fern
My sister had never seen it and she has the darkest sense of humor ever
😂
Talking of dark things.
What ever happened to Happy Tree Friends.
Weird things i grew up watching. No wonder i'm stuck playing WoW.
ionic fern
they lived happily ever after
That's good. They deserved it.
Ya'll ever played games called Darkeden or MU online?
blazing condor
not me
pallid quiver
Wasn't MU Online a MUD?
ionic fern
Oh, the text based ones?
pallid quiver
ye ye
inland raft
Ah those were just a couple years ago right? Right guys?
remote venture
What ever happened to Happy Tree Friends.
That was so fucking fucked up
amber gate
That's MU online.
Looks like a pile of junkshit to me
dire vapor
Hey quick question: is there a macro to swap between defensive and battle stance with 1 button?
pallid quiver
There should be in the pins
jagged pier
dire vapor
Thanks!
pallid quiver
checks shit post cheat sheet
He's not directly asking about War, so I'm not sure how to handle this one, boss. Uh,
They'll be shit tier, forefront of the meta, uh...
At any rate, the ultimate current conclusion is they'll be fine, once we know what leggo does, we'll see how the meta shakes out since it could be defining,
and there could even still be more tuning so
strong forum
Vdh looks exceedingly strong now
zealous willow
how is prot warr looking i know they have bleed weaknes , i consider leveling dwarf to have some fun
strong forum
Vdh is looking to be dmg King+immortal
pallid quiver
but nome, i just got finished being abused by DHs, don't say they get good things
strong forum
They got insanely good things now
With the brand buffs
- their St dmg with the correct build is also really strong
pallid quiver
They took out Ghash and this is what they get
pallid quiver
I'm waiting for leggo to come out and be dogwater, tbh. It'd be mega funny
earnest canyon
I mean it will be on par with evoker legendary most likely
just a big ilvl statstick, nothing crazy
pallid quiver
It'd make my whole generic "don't immediately worry about tank balance" posts funnier in hindsight, at least
strong forum
I mean it will be on par with evoker legendary most likely
just a big ilvl stats...
Don't say that, they guy who made the leggo is an unholy dk main
Also the guy who made gavel and jaithys
zealous willow
actualy i dont care abt meta much , cus i stoped to play big keys im casual 20-22 range so how warr feeling is it worst from all or mid ?
pallid quiver
If you're only looking for 20-22, all the matters is what you find fun
strong forum
Pwar is solid top3
strong forum
🙂
pallid quiver
Even the worst tank will comfortably slide on by at those ranges
pallid quiver
Since tanks as a whole are all strong this xpac
They'd have to gut a tank spec to get them to have trouble
zealous willow
i saw there is good spell reflect places and set feels fun to me with cd red
last i played warr was when we had banner and 45k executes 😦
pallid quiver
also the theme of just punching out all of someone's blood is hilarious
zealous willow
idk why they haad to make warrior easiest tank in the game this expansion
strong forum
Cuz a hard tank is an unpopular tank
earnest canyon
all tanks are easy, given enough practice
strong forum
They don't want tanks to be hard
zealous willow
i had my fun with banner mini game
strong forum
Cuz if tanks are hard, nobody plays tank
strong forum
That's why every tank is super easy now
strong forum
Yeah that's the funny part
They made tanking super easy, but nerfed healers by 60% since beta
Cuz healers too strong
So now healers are the rare breed
pallid quiver
It's also why they'll never have mega difficult tank mechs, I feel, since most raid tanks would riot if they had to do something more complex than stand somewhere with a 45 second lenience period
earnest canyon
prenerf halondrus and jailer/rygelon were fun though
strong forum
Simply cuz you're such a vital role that if you put alot of pressure onto this 1 or 2 people it'll cause friction
strong forum
prenerf halondrus and jailer/rygelon were fun though
Numbers =/= hard
earnest canyon
Numbers =/= hard
hence me saying fun and not hard 😄
earnest canyon
I enjoy raid tanking only if dtps is very high honestly
pallid quiver
I feel like I can contribute more to clearing a raid as a DPS than tank in pugs at the moment, which feels bad to me
strong forum
Can't say I've ever experienced high dtps as tank in raid outside of zul
pallid quiver
Since I really like to play specifically Prot Warrior due to it just being what I've played since starting
strong forum
But that's a bullshit reason for high dtps
Cuz lmao run out of melee
And get spam healed through your dot
Big fun!!
hardy snow
raid tanking is fun, unless its zskarn 
strong forum
Bosses like that are shit cuz there's nothing you can do
You can play only so well vs bullshit dots
hardy snow
its not just dot problem, Im not sure how on HC, cause there is no need to pay attention on that, but on mythic his spell queue is fked up, there are literally ~5s differences on time of spell cast between pulls
hardy snow
thats good its fixed now, but still lots of people had to progress such broken boss
not even mentioning "safe spot" and changes to that
waxen frigate
Cuz I get to do more than a dps
You’re like a Dps but less stupid and more based
waxen frigate
No they fixed that
I SWEAR TO GOD
PPL GASLIT ME
FOR SO LONG
SAYING IT WASNT LIKE THAT
DURING POST CHEESE PRE NERF
WE LITERALLY HAD SOME INSANE RNG OVERLAPS
jagged pier
I literally know because my guild had like a 10% wipe, then on reset the timers where all literally on a timer with no over lap
waxen frigate
Dude
Did you kill it around when I did
If so
You’re a real CE raider
Not all these frauds
jagged pier
And we were wiping because x thing was sypposed to happen but it was happening like 10 seconds later
waxen frigate
And we were wiping because x thing was sypposed to happen but it was happening l...
YEP
I vividly remember one pull
jagged pier
Then me and an officer notcied
Killed the boss in the next few pulls
Wasnt even a good pull
Our hpala died so i died for 40seconds
jagged pier
Nope we had 2
waxen frigate
Yeah I was forced onto DK for grips since we only had one
waxen frigate
Maybe not cant remeber it was a while ago
What ~WR did you kill
If you remember
Or when
Like was it in May
jagged pier
But we had 3 paladins 2 hunter so we didnt actually need 3 tanks
We could immune all bombs
waxen frigate
But we had 3 paladins 2 hunter so we didnt actually need 3 tanks
Oh 3 paladins is huge
We had 2
I was forced off brew onto DK for grips
But
I already said that
Xdd
hardy snow
we did 2 tanks, because we had enough retri and hunters to take care of bombs 😄
jagged pier
What ~WR did you kill
I dunno 1.1 or somthing cause we missed like 2-3 weeks of raid on rashok cause we lost 5 ppl in 1 week so way lower than should have been
Like we would have killed it pre the tiners changing
waxen frigate
I dunno 1.1 or somthing cause we missed like 2-3 weeks of raid on rashok cause w...
Oh you were prob post rng traps then
Especially since you said it was on rails
Still a shit boss but like
It is literally my least favorite ever
During the rng traps era
I know some guilds who literally
Got the kill their first time getting to TD3
Because they just got the most insane rng traps
And never got any that blocked them
Whereas I know other guilds like Jackie’s guild (fury channel poster) who were stuck forever bc of rng
primal sun
how does prot feel with all the changes on ptr ? haven't tried it yet
jagged pier
Feels the sane as now
uneven mason
how does prot feel with all the changes on ptr ? haven't tried it yet
we make 1 talent change once you're no longer using this tierset
rich wyvern
ayo which chest/waist is that
uneven mason
Current tier I think?
uneven mason
I'll take a look in a bit, stuck in an em meeting
uneven mason
Well there you go
uneven mason
Small arms buff I see yesterday
rich wyvern
ah
dusky canopy
2-3% buff according to the pin in arms
uneven mason
Yeah it's not nothing
cerulean tusk
3% aura buffs, called it
knotty vortex
do we know what 2 embellishments wee are using 10.2 if they are changing
uneven mason
Dunno yet
lusty grotto
got arfus on my first horseman
blazing condor
so what does private aura mean anyway
hazy bronze
Slightly harder to cheat with WA
cerulean tusk
Basically allows blizz to stop WAs or other add-ons to read the aura on the entity. It is private, or hidden.
uneven mason
so what does private aura mean anyway
Can't star augur mechanics
hardy snow
so what does private aura mean anyway
buffs/debuffs that cant be tracked by addons like weakauras are called like that
weak cedar
would you guys say guardian druid is simpler/easier than prot warrior? not sure if this is the right channel
uneven mason
At a baseline, yeah a bit
But hard to gauge since many of us can legit play prot with our UI turned off
Muscle memory and all that
But they're close to the same
You have 2 generators, an active mitigation, a secondary mitigation and a spender
blazing condor
the meme has been that bear is very brain dead
but idrk havent played it for real
uneven mason
Current tier it's autopilot as long as you're spending rage
Next tier there's more interaction
plush tendon
bear to me has always been like a slightly altered prot war
if you can play one, you can play the other
inland raft
Do bears ever shift out of form?
lucid holly
Do bears ever shift out of form?
Not anymore. In SL you could weave for min maxing dmg but now you never do. You would lose a ton of dmg in both ST and AoE trying to shift/weave
uneven mason
Do bears ever shift out of form?
Only if you want to die
lucid holly
I actually really miss weaving. It was a nice skill thing to separate Druid players
uneven mason
I hated weaving because - just let bear do big dam
lucid holly
I remember being able to typhoon stuff in mists of tirna and boomie convoke to do max dmg in keys and raiding was so much more fun when we had to decide to cat/boomie
uneven mason
Our dps was balanced around that degen
uneven mason
Bear do big dam now
lucid holly
Knowing when you could live the shift vs not and how to use it
uneven mason
Is better bear
waxen frigate
Only if you want to die
sweet summit
i am boomkin convoking idiot
uneven mason
I just setup my boomkin UI for the first time
Because, have you seen the butt wag
They have swing
I 10.2
sweet summit
i also swing that's for sure
uneven mason
i also swing that's for sure
steady stag
Hello! I'm a tank returning to WoW after missing a few patches and I'm looking to gear up in preparation for the new raid release. Are there any important items I should ensure I get (ie, elemental lariat etc), its been a while for me. Thanks in advance!
uneven mason
Hello! I'm a tank returning to WoW after missing a few patches and I'm looking t...
Crafted shield, double shadow flame patch, no larit
The primal molten shield to be exact
Not that new shitty one from abberus
steady stag
Crafted shield, double shadow flame patch, no larit
Thanks for the info!
uneven mason
Hello! I'm a tank returning to WoW after missing a few patches and I'm looking t...
To hit on this, gearing up now isn't going to take you very far since I believe heroic dungeons will drop 428 in the next patch, there's a massive ilvl jump.
But the shield should be upgradeable to 460 day 1 of the patch
So there's that
lusty grotto
i wouldn't pre-gear honestly since LFR gear will be 441
but if its something you can get while practicing the class, then go for it
steady stag
Thanks for the tips. To add some context, ill be leading a normal learner raid on the day of release and my goal is to be as prepared as I can be gear wise for that first day
uneven mason
Imagine building an expansion with flying in mind
night heron
Hello, I am looking for a PvE addon which i'm pretty sure exists but I can't find it and I don't remember its name.
It allows you to show the cooldown (when there is one) of a mob's spell on its nameplate; e.g. in Underrot, there would be a small icon next to the maggots' nameplate counting down how much time remains until it starts casting its next frontal.
Does anyone know what it is?
uneven mason
Sounds like a plater configuration
night heron
Possibly yeah, I'll check that up
dusky canopy
Is their a way to get mythic sark’s nameplate to show 0% hp? I think mine is busted it keeps stopping at 15% and then we die
night heron
Sounds like a plater configuration
Oh actually it might just be a weak aura, i've found something that resembles it
https://wago.io/CooldownsOnNameplate
lusty grotto
Oh actually it might just be a weak aura, i've found something that resembles it...
naowh ui uses a combination of those 2
so if the weak aura alone doesnt cut it, consider installing the addon i just linked
night heron
I see, that's very much what I was looking for, thanks a lot!
warm plinth
Good morning
jagged pier
gm
toxic pewter
good choice, troll best race
warm plinth
That's gotta be up there for one of the better randomized names though
I like my goblin mage's randomized name
Xazzle
blazing condor
We dont even have random names in eu
warm plinth
huh?
warm plinth
It's ok, if you ever forget, you're my paladin's details name
blazing condor
toxic pewter
We dont even have random names in eu
wait wat is that true
lusty grotto
Good morning
good afternoon cutie pie
blazing condor
wait wat is that true
yep we dont have the random name thing
warm plinth
wait wat is that true
Considering Jakey just posted a picture of a random name, and he's EU...lol
Oh nvm that was yogi
blazing condor
same thing
lusty grotto
ye
blazing condor
warm plinth
Nice photoshop
warm plinth
Imagine how long you might have waited
blazing condor
guess europeans just have braincells to think of names
lusty grotto
i wonder whats the reasoning behind it though
like its not like you cant ask chatgpt for a random name
and then just paste it in there
blazing condor
dont believe everything you read on the interwebs
lusty grotto
😮
mighty valley
this dog is DIABOLICAL
blazing condor
:susge:
warm plinth
toxic pewter
i find all my names on google maps
mighty valley
i find all my names on google maps
toxic pewter
thats me
sick sentinel
stark crystal
Hey @ all
does anyone knows if when 10.2 comes out whether we then use 2p T31 and 2p T31 or whether we wait until we have the 4p of T32 ?
sick sentinel
that wasnt so hard
i had tos start over but this is what it says
i dunno if i have talents for all of those
blazing condor
that name is like 0/10 creativity though
just gonna make a new character i'll name it anduinpriest
chilly brook
that name is like 0/10 creativity though
Also pretty sure it’s too long
blazing condor
yeah seems that way
chilly brook
Hey @ all
does anyone knows if when 10.2 comes out whether we then use 2p T31 an...
You’ll use 2p/2p if it sims higher
sick sentinel
well if its gunna be a troll hunter, im gunna try to do MM obviously
chilly brook
sick sentinel
rapid fire bow
chilly brook
Mo damage baby
mighty valley
the LLM isn't really creative...??!!
lusty grotto
heh you know after that chat a million tiktoks and youtube shorts started appearing making fun of the same thing
lusty grotto
Hey @ all
does anyone knows if when 10.2 comes out whether we then use 2p T31 an...
its on the pins
first bullet point under Raid Build with T30 2pc and T31 2pc
but the tl;dr is that its very likely that you wont unless if you have access to ilvl 450 tier
chilly brook
Ye and like I said it’s “as long as it sims better”
lusty grotto
which is only from echo/sark mythic
and a lucky vault drop if youve been doing mythic raid
the ilvl difference is way too large to consider it otherwise
astral glade
how do i hit 100% uptime with shield block? im struggling to use it constantly and use it more in line with something like shield wall
lusty grotto
hard to say without know what youre doing wrong
and/or your talents
and/or if you have 2pc
and do you have a log?
astral glade
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents these talents with maybe 1 thing off that doesnt affect sb, and i dont have 2pc
no specific log in mind, cause im just now thinking ab it so it probably wouldnt be a good representation of what i have in mind
warm plinth
shouldn't affect his uptime though
astral glade
no not at all
astral glade
im new so i basically just copied the meta rather than running a super sub optimal build
mighty valley
(HR is the other option on the Into the Fray node on the left)
lusty grotto
heavy repercussions
you shouldnt "copy what is meta" without understanding why people go for those talents
astral glade
i just read the guide on the specific build
and hopped into it
so i kinda get it but not that much cause i barely get a lot of the systems so far
warm plinth
Also are you raiding or doing keys because that's a raid build
mighty valley
otherwise make sure you're doing the basics that affect shield block. don't ever sit on two charges of SB, don't just throw them out if you're gonna overcap the maximum duration
astral glade
raiding mostly
mighty valley
use shield charge (and all your other offensive CDs) as soon as they're available
warm plinth
this is nothing like that build though
astral glade
but ye until like today i genuinely only used sb reactively instead of proactively
i changed it earlier
but the build i linked is what ive been running
lusty grotto
well thats a problem
warm plinth
do any of the logs have the new build?
astral glade
unless there a couple things off
lusty grotto
this is also a huge problem
lusty grotto
ok well
mighty valley
ok we've got some basics to work through lol
warm plinth
ok nvm, experiments is an okay build
warm plinth
Tough as nails over instigate which is weird
astral glade
shield slam?
lusty grotto
shield slam
warm plinth
but other than that it's correct
astral glade
nah just leveling 1 for fun
warm plinth
well, assuming 2pc ofc, but it's whatever in raid anyway
astral glade
so shield slam off cd/proc into thunder clap then revenge until i can do it all over again?
warm plinth
40 casts per minute but you're wasting tons of rage
lusty grotto
its a prio
mighty valley
shield slam can reset at basically any time, so every GCD you're just working off that prio system
astral glade
i also notice sometimes during mechanics ill be too busy looking elsewhere and miss the fact that i hit a proc for shield slam
ah ok
lusty grotto
SS if its up, TC if SS is not up but TC is, revenge if neither of them are up
mighty valley
yeah that's just practice
mighty valley
eventually the rotation will be deep in your bones and you'll be able to split focus without missing anything
astral glade
oh yikes
warm plinth
not sure why you crafted two tier slots though
astral glade
i thought it would look more diablo esque ui wise
astral glade
not sure why you crafted two tier slots though
didnt know they were but those were also some of my first pieces of gear
wanted to dabble in blacksmithing a bit
mighty valley
it's all good, you're new
warm plinth
primal molten are both crafted
which can't be converted sadly, so you'll have to give up one of them at some point to be able to get 4 piece
lusty grotto
astral glade
ye cant even upgrade them so im pretty desperate to get a drop atm
lusty grotto
you can upgrade them
just not into tier
and you will need 4p
which means one of those has to go because its in a tier slot
astral glade
they're greyed out / dont have a upgrade tier on the ui
mighty valley
yeah crafted gear is a different upgrade system
warm plinth
btw this probably has something to do with why you have no uptime on shield block :p
astral glade
yea no like i said i probably use shield block as often as i use something like last stand lmao
for whatever reason my brain just consistently forgets it exists
even though its like top 4
warm plinth
Yeah, I would suggest spending time on the target dummies, making sure you have your buttons and your WAs in good places, that sort of thing
mighty valley
if you're not noticing whether or not shield block is up, you should try and get it somewhere more prominent in your UI
lusty grotto
well youve identified why you are only hitting 50% blocked hits
warm plinth
UI matters a lot. Can't tell something is missing if you can't see it
astral glade
i got a weak aura for it but just havent worked on the habit enough to actually dart my eyes 1 cm over to see it
final mist
Make/find a WA if you have to that reminds you to hit it
Make it annoying as possible
warm plinth
Try audio cues or glows when the duration is low/gone
warm plinth
Yes
astral glade
editing it rn
warm plinth
lol
mighty valley
it says a lot about how much sb uptime has changed in DFwhen someone can get 50% uptime while pressing the button... twice
lusty grotto
if youre having to avert your eyes or w/e
lusty grotto
then your placement is wrong
usually people have these things mid below their characters
so its not easy to miss
warm plinth
he did say it was only 1cm though which is less than half an inch haha
astral glade
ye its right below him to the left, when i say 1 cm i mean literally a few nanometers
lusty grotto
mighty valley
god. now i'm nostalgic for the days when yogi said "i added a clown horn to my WAs so i notice my mistakes"
astral glade
otherwise im looking at other shit like raid frames
mighty valley
and then his videos were all just... constant clown horn
warm plinth
ERR-EE ERR-EE
astral glade
this except where the icon for the timer is, immediately beneath it
does any1 have a link to a wa for shield block
mighty valley
you don't really need to spend a lot of attention on the status of the raid tbh, i'd focus on getting your own house in order
astral glade
wait google is my friend nvm
astral glade
you don't really need to spend a lot of attention on the status of the raid tbh,...
ye i mostly dont, just occasional debuffs, the other tank, how many are dead etc
then timers and stuff
is there a wa that shows how many lusts your raid has up
astral glade
no im breaking into heroic a bit now
and then the occasional hodge podge half discord half premade semi pug
lusty grotto
you shouldnt care about it either, youre not a lust class
astral glade
well yea but id just like to know
lusty grotto
thats not your responsability
astral glade
just a curiosity, awareness thing
lusty grotto
by doing that youre also having information overload
which you shouldn't have
if youre missing something so basic as shield block duration
lusty grotto
focus on the things that matter to you
first
then move on to micromanaging the raid
which i certainly dont do
because that's someone elses job
astral glade
to be fair w the group i play with im usually the one micromanaging the raid unless certain specific friends are there
not that mechanics are difficult or anything
lusty grotto
youre incredibly new to wow from what youre saying "diablo-esque UI" comments, i dont think you should be in that position tbh
youre making it harder for yourself
astral glade
if i know the mechanics perfectly why not?
lusty grotto
unnecessarily harder
cinder nova
Almost 3K lads
astral glade
i disagree tbh i dont think theres much of a mental difference
cinder nova
Only took me all season
lusty grotto
because youre not tracking sb duration which is core to your class
cinder nova
^
lusty grotto
you know what
cinder nova
I'd really like to see block % on hits over a long fight.
astral glade
well yea but i literally havent read a guide on my class til today
just been winging it
im sure ill have fine uptime within the next 2 days
lusty grotto
advice wasted
astral glade
ill even make a bet with you
cinder nova
Uptime isn't... really it necessarily, blocked hits is.
Having uptime on a downtime phase is pointless.
lusty grotto
🤷
cinder nova
Do yourself a favor, go jump into a PUG raid in the groupfinder, do a few fights while logging, then upload it and show us your performance.
astral glade
sure ill do it when i get back
lusty grotto
he did
he posted lfr logs
and they are horrible
without mincing words
it is what it is, he doesnt want to listen about info overload so
im done 🙂
astral glade
definitely not the person to be in a class help chat but alright
its almost like fun is 5 steps down from optimizing lmao
like ill take your advice
cinder nova
I mean, there is an upper limit to how long they can beat the same drum when you can't hear the rhythm.
mighty valley
lol it's fine, you gotta admit it's funny to say "i don't think mental overload is a problem" when you weren't aware that you pressed shield block twice in an entire fight
astral glade
something that i havent even really considered and have no raid logs to reflect on while having that knowledge
lusty grotto
lol it's fine, you gotta admit it's funny to say "i don't think mental overload ...
precisely
astral glade
thats not mental overload though
cinder nova
The point is that you're fixated on information that isn't an imperative.
mighty valley
especially when you kicked off the convo with "how do i improve shield block uptime"
astral glade
thats literally just "oh i forgot i had this ability"
lusty grotto
The point is that you're fixated on information that isn't an imperative.
right on the mark
cinder nova
You have to crawl, walk, then run.
You're trying to sprint before you've figured out basic montor function.
cinder nova
DO IT. I WANNA SEEEEEEEEEEE
Honestly, pressing buttons constantly is kinda the game for Warrior.
If you feel like you're ever just standing around waiting to press something, you may be missing something.
We're a 60+ CPM class
real fossil
we're an 80+ cpm class
cinder nova
only squeak does that lol
real fossil
mighty valley
outlaw rogue logs track things like "Combo Point" as an action
silk kiln
Is prot pal really that high apm? I feel like I press more on war
lusty grotto
at an optimal level, while using utility, yes
chilly brook
definitely not the person to be in a class help chat but alright
Really not trying to dogpile or anything here, but you’re focusing on a bunch of other external things when you would benefit a lot more on just focusing on getting what you need to be doing as a prot warrior to become second nature. Once you’re at that point sure it’s not a big deal to maybe add some other stuff into the mix so you can help raid lead or w/e but until then your focus is split and your performance will suffer as a result. Even when you have all of this stuff as second nature there is a tax on your own performance when “playing the game” for others.
lusty grotto
for prot pally that high apm is simply not required
its just taking other factors in consideration
i.e. staying alive or w/e
does not require high apm
like brew does perhaps
anyway those are simc numbers
so that expects you to play perfectly
real fossil
perfectly apm vs the "good enough" apm could be a bit different but i dont think it would change ranking much
lusty grotto
and does not account for defensive use
mighty valley
the #1 parses for magmoraxx are about the same ~80cpm for prot paladin and prot warrior
waxen frigate
outlaw rogue logs track things like "Combo Point" as an action
Not in this graph
mighty valley
fair, i assumed it was one of those charts pulled from wclogs
but i was WRONG
are you HAPPY
i'm gonna go CRY
anyway how's everyone's fridays
waxen frigate
i'm gonna go CRY
Send pics of it
mighty valley
people pay good money for those crying pics, i'm not gonna devalue them here
mighty valley
fucking 7 meetings in a row
i'm the opposite, weirdly low meeting day so i have to structure my own day and get things done, UGH
lusty grotto
sounds like a good friday to me 🙂
mighty valley
it is, i need more days like this, it just also requires more mental energy
toxic pewter
i know exactly wat u mean
grand veldt
for whatever reason my brain just consistently forgets it exists
Literally just macro it to shield slam if you arent capable of keeping track of it
It's not optimal but it's better than using it as frequently as last stand
silk kiln
What’s the thought process behind ravager
Is it a damage cooldown or more for rage gen
lusty grotto
both
just send it on cd
preferably somewhere it immediately hits, cause it can lose a spin/tick if you just yeet it randomly to the side
silk kiln
Basically only @ player it then
lusty grotto
in an optimal way you want to use it on a demo window
but since demo is dynamic, its fine if you demo after its down
demo -> troar + ravager
mighty valley
Basically only @ player it then
nah, it's nice to have the option to pre-throw it at a pack you're about to charge at to save a GCD
lusty grotto
and usually demo aligns with avatar as well so more damage (unless if youre using TL)
uneven mason
Technically you ravager the gcd before demo due to tick delay
lusty grotto
yeah
indigo sable
For kiting mobs are we just tab hamstringing? Or am I just slow and missing the ability that slows?
lusty grotto
we dont kite mobs
but yes hamstring works as a slow, its single target though
TC also slows but for a lower percentage
hamstring is ST 50% slow
TC is aoe 20% slow
waxen frigate
I don’t think there’s any situation where you are hamstringing to kite as prot
lusty grotto
cough vdh cough
waxen frigate
Basically everyone has a built in 20% or so slow now
mighty valley
aww just now noticed they took the increased slow off've outbursted thunderclap. it came up approx. never but it was nice to think about
indigo sable
I'm currently new to tanking so idk If I'm just doing something wrong but currently trying to tank 17s and just feels like I'm getting my ass beat.
Currently ilvl 431 I think
mighty valley
you're probably just doing the fundamentals wrong if you're new
indigo sable
Ya I always lead into a pact with shield block and IP. Make sure I keep IP and SB up. Try rotating CDs
Currently 437 shield
indigo sable
I don't sadly. But I'll be trying more tonight and I'll try to log
mighty valley
the basics are
open up a pack with all your CDs (ravager, demo shout, avatar, thunderous roar, shield charge)
otherwise fill every GCD with shield slam > thunderclap > revenge in that priority
maintain shield block, use IP to prevent your rage bar from overcapping
lusty grotto
and because its 17s make sure youre kicking, reflecting and/or stopping casts
mighty valley
if you start kiting, you enter a death spiral it's hard to recover from
indigo sable
So even with this week being fort and enrage I should realistically be breezing through 17s?