Fury idk but they’re not terrible either
#protection
chilly brook
I think most people just don’t wanna play annihilator
Overall trees could do with a pass from the devs but they’ll perform fine
ebon lark
I don't play fury cause it hurts my hands after a raid, and I just like arms cause warbreaker burst
lusty grotto
all i care about healers is if they are doing damage or not, so please enlighten me
im waiting
ebon lark
@_@" i like hitting warbreaker and seeing big numbers for a little bit
chilly brook
Both specs are basically just constant damage with very little impact from cooldowns
ebon lark
then i'll go back to my corner
grand veldt
I mean I watch the healer external defensives and raid cds but that's it
I have no clue about each healers bs
mighty valley
all i care about healers is if they are doing damage or not, so please enlighten...
too much green leafy spell and not enough other green leafy spell
strong forum
arms is very high burst every TR window in aoe
lusty tiger
one glowy light > other glowy light
lusty grotto
i just must have missed the memo
who knew i needed to dissect a healer's spell breakdown
as a tank
strong forum
tbf
when an rdruid has regrowth really high up
thats a massive red flag
that green leaf should not be high up
lusty grotto
depends on the fight
strong forum
talking m+
chilly brook
arms is very high burst every TR window in aoe
TR sure but warbreaker isn’t like a “I do big damage now” button
lusty grotto
so we're forced to make assumptions
chilly brook
The class really is just “I press MS a lot and do some good constant damage with it and then launch into orbit when execute hits”
lusty grotto
15M healing is really low for an entire key
so
we have actually no fucking clue what hes talking about, so we're back to square one
because we dont know the encounter
we dont know the context
lusty grotto
like a Tyr Kragg high key you want to use regrowth as rdruid
chilly brook
Couldn’t care less what buttons they press as long as the team is alive and they’re doing damage when they can
lusty grotto
because if you get double shot in p1 you will fucking die
so it depends on the encounter
cosmic wyvern
I don't pay attention to what my healers are doing unless I'm dying
lusty grotto
just context-less information
cosmic wyvern
and usually when I'm dying I assume it's my fault
lusty grotto
and then he follows with "as a tank you should know", no i fucking dont lol
cosmic wyvern
so honestly I pretty much never pay attention to what my healers are doing
chilly brook
like a Tyr Kragg high key you want to use regrowth as rdruid
Cries as arms warrior on that fight
cosmic wyvern
it's their job, I'm not gonna tell them how to do it
(especially since I know fuck all about healing)
lusty grotto
the things you should know as a tank is their mana and their defensives so you know when to rally/darkness/amz/sac
and i nitpick their damage
if they are keeping dumb timmy alive cause he gets clipped by every imaginable fucking swirly, its good enough for me
in addition with meeting heal checks
in general: are people alive? ok thats good enough
uneven mason
if they are keeping dumb timmy alive cause he gets clipped by every imaginable f...
This is why I don't dps normally, I am timmah
lusty grotto
🤔
median tulip
Fucking Tuesdays man. Every dogshit DPS and their dog desperately trying to get a key done before reset.
lusty tiger
d4 unironically fun rn
??????????????????????
lusty grotto
wtf is going on
mr. microsoft made it better 😄
cerulean tusk
Well, you only need to do a 16, so who cares if they are dogshit? :P
lusty tiger
gnome has some rose tinted goggles on
median tulip
It just takes so long when their DPS is crap-to-non-existent
cerulean tusk
It's fine, you just pull your weight at 120k overall, and it will be fast anyhow
median tulip
Hunter with ZERO interrupts in VP
lusty grotto
its ok
median tulip
Died on all 3 bosses
uneven mason
Hunter with ZERO interrupts in VP
cerulean tusk
It is a hunter, leave the poor huntardino be
lusty tiger
the game is so fast
whats faster tho?
lusty grotto
i forgot i was missing a key last night and ran a 17? or 18? NL with a HDH wearing greens
cerulean tusk
If hunter is dead, and dont interupt - then you get more SRs off anyway
lusty grotto
so no big deal
trim condor
regrowth that high up and dying party mostly means he used to play holy priest and have no clue what he is doing on druid
strong forum
lusty grotto
regrowth that high up and dying party mostly means he used to play holy priest a...
ok so how are we supposed to know that as a tank?
strong forum
getitng loot
lusty tiger
all good
i found it fastest when i figured out the world tier 4 boost strat w my friend
lusty grotto
and regrowth could have been used to top timmy 1 and timmy 2 on dumb avoidable mechanics
does that make sense?
strong forum
i found it fastest when i figured out the world tier 4 boost strat w my friend
absolute cringe take
median tulip
I have no clue how drood works. I got one to 70, tried to learn it, and realised I hated all 4 specs. So now it just sits in the inn in Iskara doing the feast once a week.
uneven mason
everything
Does combat still feel like swimming in frozen peanut butter
strong forum
never did?
lusty tiger
you should want to actually play the game to level lol
uneven mason
D4 was clunky af
median tulip
Does combat still feel like swimming in frozen peanut butter
I worry about how you have a basis for this comparrison, NGL
strong forum
idk wathc my stream
cerulean tusk
Aha! This was his plan all along!
Stream bait!
"D4 good guys, dont believe me? come watch!"
trim condor
does that make sense?
I know what you mean, but still even if people take avoidable, you shoulnt be spamming that as it is in screen. You need to stack hots to pump up mastery and wild growth is crazy strong aswell
lusty grotto
I know what you mean, but still even if people take avoidable, you shoulnt be sp...
that is
not
something
a tank
should know
uneven mason
I worry about how you have a basis for this comparrison, NGL
It's a line from an X-Men comic that stuck in my head
pallid quiver
I took time to learn how all the healers worked before ever playing a healer as a tank so I know how my incoming healing would look like back in the day and I thought it was weird other people didn't
cerulean tusk
you know that cause youve either played an rdruid, or are a raid lead
I know it because the rdruids beat my shit in PvP if I dont respect hot buildup
median tulip
~~I took time to learn how all the healers worked before ever playing a healer a...
As tank, my goal is to make my exhrps zero
cinder storm
I just use whatever shines on my rdruid and wild growth
pallid quiver
This was before tanks were as self reliant as they are now
like
BC-Cata timeframe ish
and i just have kept up on it loosely
lusty grotto
additionally hots will not save people from bursty fights like kragg
cerulean tusk
Just play BDK lads, and create a "dont heal me you fool" macro
trim condor
should know
strange, I always try other roles in dungeons, mainly all healers, to know how can I pull with them and if they struggle with mana on bosses etc, so I know when to stop in pug and when to keep going. And of course to try check details like this, to know if healers have no clue or there is other problem with people dying
lusty grotto
well i dont
median tulip
Last week I did have a druid say after then run "why didn't I have to heal you at all?" #feelsgoodman
lusty grotto
thats just unnessary nitpicking
its not your job as a tank
your job is to watch mana and watch defensives so you dont overlap rally or wall
cinder storm
Last week I did have a druid say after then run "why didn't I have to heal you a...
Because everyone was kicking/stunning/ccing the right stuff and we all play like a team, buddy.
lusty grotto
if someone doesnt meet a heal check, thats on them
so they fail the key and that's it, you move on
median tulip
TBH I rarely use Rallying Cry for myself. I use it to help the healer out and ride through AoE mechanics.
lusty grotto
next key, we go agane
cerulean tusk
Fails heal check, noone used hpot or stone, nor used personals
classic healer problem
uneven mason
TBH I rarely use Rallying Cry for myself. I use it to help the healer out and ri...
Because that's the intent, right? Imagine people thinking RC 15% is going to be used as a personal on the pwar
median tulip
Because everyone was kicking/stunning/ccing the right stuff and we all play like...
That was pretty much the case, yeah. Had a really good Enhancement Shaman in that run. Stuns, Incaps and Knocks galore.
median tulip
Are they not supposed to take that these days?
I haven't played my shaman in over a yeah
median tulip
oh right
uneven mason
I can't bring myself to un orc my shaman, the only character I've dragged around to every server and kept the same since 2004
cerulean tusk
Then dont
median tulip
Most of my characters are Orcs
uneven mason
Horde queue times feel abysmal
median tulip
Best transmog
uneven mason
Best transmog
☝️
cerulean tusk
PvP? Just go mercenary
lusty tiger
that my campaign slogan
new president of blizz?
boreal heath
new president of blizz?
Yes it's going to be Kobby Botick
lusty tiger
his evil twin?
boreal heath
No it's just bobby with a different name tag
lusty grotto
i just realized
that if the new raid wont have shadowflame essences dropping, belt buckles might shoot up to the moon in price
sick sentinel
maybe there is replacement to it
lusty grotto
possible
uneven mason
I dont have them on any of my characters
☝️
lusty grotto
i have em but again i can craft them and i have essences to cover for it heh
lusty tiger
I dont have them on any of my characters
get a job
lusty tiger
I’m just fiscally irresponsible
stop buying waifu body pillows
uneven mason
I think I have the mats for 2 dozen sitting in my bags because I can't be fucked to go to the shadow forge
lusty grotto
yeah idk what crack blizzard is smoking with forges/enchanting tables/anvils at that dumb camp
uneven mason
At least we're not leather workers
lusty grotto
and with leatherworking shit in BH
uneven mason
That obtuse pile of shit
waxen frigate
yeah idk what crack blizzard is smoking with forges/enchanting tables/anvils at ...
Lmao I remember when I first got my Djaruun and was gonna put shadowflame on it
Spent my 80k or whatever obscene price
uneven mason
Golly I love extending a mythic dungeon lockout and running 10m to craft something
lusty tiger
I’m just fiscally irresponsible
if you arent withdrawing your retirement funds for wow tokens are you even a gamer?
waxen frigate
“What the fuck is a shadowflame forge”
waxen frigate
if you arent withdrawing your retirement funds for wow tokens are you even a gam...
No I just withdraw them to go visit my gf who breaks up with me before I even get home
lusty tiger
No I just withdraw them to go visit my gf who breaks up with me before I even ge...
u had no gf
uneven mason
if you arent withdrawing your retirement funds for wow tokens are you even a gam...
Spent mine on Kronos because I'm giggaboomer
uneven mason
Wow token but for eq
lusty tiger
OO
waxen frigate
RMTing in swtor 
uneven mason
The Russians were using them to launder money
waxen frigate
Gotta buy 5 billion credits to decorate my house
uneven mason
Not even kidding
waxen frigate
I spent all my gold on Elwynn war mode egirls
lusty tiger
I spent all my gold on Elwynn war mode egirls
wtf is that
waxen frigate
Oh let me enlighten you
lusty tiger
O_O
uneven mason
(so were the egirls)
waxen frigate
Rizz
lusty tiger
jesus
lusty grotto
ah i see youre fishing with dynamite
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
nish and i are never getting a gf at this rate
lusty tiger
send WHAT
uneven mason
lusty grotto
Ikarikaze, i believe thats called an xffing
waxen frigate
uneven mason
Fuckin zoomers
uneven mason
lusty tiger
^
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
wtf
waxen frigate
strong forum
Holy shit is D4 S2 actually delayed!?
its been up for 1hr
waxen frigate
Sticking out your shield for the shield slam
You’re so bstance
You’re so warrior.
I just wanna be your pocket tank
Fricking come here
Give me your rejuvs
lusty tiger
^-^
waxen frigate
strong forum
me
lusty tiger
nish spending all his $ on egirls
strong forum
what about eboys?
waxen frigate
what about eboys?
Nah
lusty tiger
he subbed to u didnt he?
strong forum
cant remember
lusty tiger
o-o
strong forum
valid
strong forum
ok
waxen frigate
that reminds me
Of something from yesterday
But it’s prob not appropriate to post in here
I’ll dm you and jeree
hardy snow
ive got 1,8k on prot 
lusty tiger
Nish a special boi
waxen frigate
Special?
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
ive got 1,8k on prot <:wicked:937093876857045012>
fucking gross
i swear you post this to bait my anger
lusty grotto
because tanks arent an arena class
hardy snow
well, I am
lusty grotto
thats not an achievement you're just griefing
hardy snow
why its griefing?
lusty grotto
because
hardy snow
how Im hurting anyone in solo shuffle?
lusty grotto
because tanks arent an arena class
☝️
lusty grotto
are you new
hardy snow
yes, please explain me this in details
lusty grotto
its an unspoken rule that tanks are just annoying and provide no skill to play in arena settings
i wouldn't be surprised youre not getting absolutely talked down upon on your lobbies
hardy snow
"unspoken rule" XD
lusty grotto
youre making the game unfun for everyone
hardy snow
i wouldn't be surprised youre not getting absolutely talked down upon on your lo...
im not, its quite rare that somebody heavily complains about my spec
hardy snow
youre making the game unfun for everyone
how exactly in solo shuffle?
they have rounds both against me and with me
lusty grotto
do you fail to understand how a highly defensive spec that just stands around and kills nothing is unfun for the rest of the community?
cerulean tusk
Prot warrior I would never complain about - they just die.
ProtPally on the other hand, or BDK...
hardy snow
I do win some rounds and lose some
lusty grotto
youre not setting up kills, youre not setting up burst, youre not healing, youre not ccing outside of stops and/or are applying diminishing returns to any burst setup
you're just.. there
hardy snow
oh ok, Im sorry
didnt know I was talking to someone who knows shit about playing solo shuffle as pwar 🤷♂️
hardy snow
"ex-glad" - you do realize that we are talking about solo shuffle, and thats a mode that works differently than standard 2v2 or 3v3?
hardy snow
no
lusty grotto
so if youre unkillable and your teammates do all the work for you then grats
hardy snow
3 won rounds are classified as "win"
toxic pewter
I wont lie when I was doing solo shuffle as prot I had so many people whisper me very mean things lmao
prob made at least 5 enemies
XD
lusty grotto
if you think there's anything inherently different between a 3v3 and a solo shuffle... you're just griefing further
the same rules apply
the same gameplay
youre not moving a flag or defending a cart
you do 3v3s in quick succession
with teams being shuffled between rounds
that's it
gloomy ferry
Would you guys make 447 weapon shield or frostfire belt first
lusty grotto
shield
toxic pewter
I actually have fun playing prot in solo shuffle also
gloomy ferry
k ty
hardy snow
I actually have fun playing prot in solo shuffle also
ye, its quite fun, especially If you can save someone with good intervene or elysian might 😄
toxic pewter
I kind of consider prot warr sort of like a havoc dh, we do a good amount of consistent damage
lusty grotto
LOL
toxic pewter
i agree we dont really have big burst though
lusty grotto
hell no
toxic pewter
we do actually bring good damage
gloomy ferry
crafting plate gear is so fucking expensive
toxic pewter
dont waste gold on anything new patch in 3 weeks
lusty grotto
why not? he can upgrade them with recrafts
toxic pewter
oh shit youre right
gloomy ferry
yea but i need the character geared at 445 going into patch and im gonna be wearing the same gear either way
toxic pewter
didnt think they would be recraftable
gloomy ferry
if im gonna do 8 20s i gotta at least be 445
lusty grotto
why wouldn't they be, im still wearing the same unstable frostfire belt i made in s1
toxic pewter
why wouldn't they be, im still wearing the same unstable frostfire belt i made i...
yeah true, i am also
lusty grotto
there's no set amounts
lusty grotto
or do i turbo full send haste-vers
no
toxic pewter
isnt there some helm we will use in 10.2
gloomy ferry
Do i have to actually sim
lusty grotto
yes
gloomy ferry
hardy snow
i agree we dont really have big burst though
well, shield charge + outbursted slam is quite good, especially if it crits inside elysian might
lusty grotto
up to a certain point
hardy snow
but Im still trying to figure out most optimal build
blazing condor
i mean crit will always sim higher damage wont it
lusty grotto
it doesnt hit DR for that to happen
for example, my war no longer sims well with additional crit pieces
and im not past the hard cap
lusty grotto
hell not every piece i have is haste crit on ST
blazing condor
so im not saying anything
lusty grotto
well yeah 1st DR is easy to hit
pallid quiver
but in general
As you get more of any one stat, it just becomes less valuable over time, even if DR wasn't a thing at all
It's why it's possible for mastery for Prot War to sim as a damage upgrade if you have zero and lots of all the other stats
pale karma
Here's a tough one for ya'll.
Option 1) Replace 437 Elementium Pocket Anvil with 447 Lingering Sporepods; or
Option 2) Replace 441 haste/vers legs with 447 crit/vers legs
blazing condor
option 2
pale karma
It is junk but ilevel
lusty grotto
for trinkets that doesnt matter
especially an anvil
vs one of the worst trinkets in the game
blazing condor
if u want the answer then sim it
pale karma
haha
hardy snow
main power from trinket comes from its effect
lusty grotto
we even had an emoji for that shitpods back then
hardy snow
unless its stat stick
pale karma
Nah I'm not into simming. It's just an ass decision meanwhile friend gets a second beacon on his holy paly alt and is not renewing his sub in a couple weeks. 🙃
hardy snow
in DF shouldnt it be that one from Uldaman?
blazing condor
well 441 > 447 isnt that bad
its just boring
but who cares
new patch in a few week anwaysy
pallid quiver
Actually, on the topic of new season, does anyone know off the top of their head which dungeons drops a shield in the coming lineup?
blazing condor
atal dazar does iirc
pallid quiver
I know they could potentially add weps to like BRH since weps didn't exist but
pale karma
Actually, on the topic of new season, does anyone know off the top of their head...
That's a great question
pallid quiver
bfa dungeon farm pain
blazing condor
AD drops haste mastery
pale karma
Dawn of the Infinite drops a shield too
warm plinth
luckily i'm good at doti at this point
Are you sure about that
grand veldt
No and we tested it with other bleeds
pale karma
they patched out the Morchie cheese
pale karma
I haven't looked at the tuning changes on PTR but Morchie's the hardest fight I think. Everything elsei s challenging and stressful on healers but if mechanics are done and interupts it's manageable.
pallid quiver
Are you sure about that
No, but I'm at least better than the ougs and the people I know who say they're good but died to every mechanic
pale karma
Morchie is just awful.
grand veldt
Also Andy brew made a prot video saying at 45% haste we dont need to run the last stand talent for shield block
Is that confirmed?
Bc that talent is actually big lame now that we dont have the same tier
warm plinth
Actually, on the topic of new season, does anyone know off the top of their head...
Everbloom drops c/h shield
lusty grotto
Bc that talent is actually big lame now that we dont have the same tier
what do you mean
warm plinth
You won't run it even from the beginning once you get the tier replaced. You'll just swap ITF to hr
grand veldt
Sec I'll fond the time stamp
warm plinth
And yeah can you learn new words please
chilly brook
Nah I don’t censor myself
grand veldt
Oh sure thought words that were bad were filtered like the r word
lusty grotto
and not be a biggot
chilly brook
Kinda cringe
grand veldt
Relax I edited it
lusty grotto
maybe because gay is not supposed to be something negative
griff youre totally misunderstanding
hes using it in a negative light
we're not living in the 1980s
grand veldt
Yeah used gay as a synonym for lame
I'm 32 years old
You could just ask me to edit it
lusty grotto
im older
grand veldt
It doesnt require a scene
lusty grotto
well, thats what i said
grand veldt
Its edited
chilly brook
Nah I’m really not misunderstanding
lusty grotto
yes you are
your mind is on censorship
nobody wants him to not use the word
its the context
chilly brook
Ok tell me more about what I think
chilly brook
You’re literally telling him not to use the word because by using it he holds some sort of connection between it and how he views someone’s lifestyle
It’s silly
lusty grotto
nope
thats not at all
dont assume
its literally as simple as "gay" is not synonimous with "lame", "bad" or "negative"
at least not in the 21st century
lusty grotto
youre nitpicking
chilly brook
Unless we just wanna erase 15 or so years
chilly brook
There’s connotation and denotation
Lots of words can become positive or negative connotation without having any deeper meaning
You can say “oh thats good” and it have a negative connotation
bleak breach
Come on guys, this is a chat for info about protection warriors. If you’s want to argue and constantly do this crap do it elsewhere. Seems to be all it’s full of, keep it game related. Some people here actually come for help.
chilly brook
I’m just tired of everyone getting offended over stupid shit
daring marlin
I'll let my boyfriend know you're offended on our behalf tho
we can both laugh about it
strong forum
Also Andy brew made a prot video saying at 45% haste we dont need to run the las...
Around 35% unbuffed is when you barely experience gaps
Is what I told him
So it is very much confirmed yes
strong forum
So if you can get over 5.4k haste
That's when ITF value shoots up in m+
Drastically
bleak breach
@grand veldt I doubt Bolster will be used next tier with the massive ilvl increase. The 5.5k haste should be easily achieved.
Definitely can on prog or if you feel you have struggles though.
toxic pewter
will we have more haste in 10.2 than we did in 10.0
lusty grotto
of course
bleak breach
@toxic pewter I’m sitting at over 40% haste, 25% crit and 25% vers in raid atm
warm plinth
Same
toxic pewter
no in 10.0 i mean
bleak breach
I’d assume could get close to 50% haste easily next tier.
median tulip
I’d assume could get close to 50% haste easily next tier.
It doesn't work like that
toxic pewter
I used heavy repurcussions in 10.0 cuz ITF I had gaps in my shield block
bleak breach
I always use ITF now
toxic pewter
yeah i am talking about last patch
bleak breach
@median tulip yes I know, DR and such. But the large increase in ilvl will easily get us to the soft cap.
median tulip
<@220649471804047360> yes I know, DR and such. But the large increase in ilvl wi...
No, it doesn't work like that
bleak breach
Yeah I know, but what do you mean? We’re past 10.0 so it doesn’t really matter.
toxic pewter
lol
bleak breach
@median tulip not really following your point. More stats = higher %
median tulip
<@220649471804047360> not really following your point. More stats = higher %
There's a multiplier effect that changes each season to stop that from happening
bleak breach
Yeah, the cap will still be easy to obtain. Each tier your % do gradually go up. It’s not set to end up on 70% but everyone in heroic level gear should have haste cap by then.
@toxic pewter you shouldn’t need heavy repercussions in 10.2. But if you feel uncomfortable or have gaps it’s a safer option. Especially for M+ where you probably will have ITF downtime.
toxic pewter
yeah I may end up playing HR again
bleak breach
I think I might still for M+? I’d have to check my build. It can be hard sometimes depending on group comp. If you’re ranged heavy you can get really low uptime on ITF
mighty valley
There's a multiplier effect that changes each season to stop that from happening
k value affects armor and block percentages, not secondary stats
lusty grotto
There's a multiplier effect that changes each season to stop that from happening
the only effect between seasons is K-Values increasing, it doesn't affect secondary stat soft caps or DR
mighty valley
me 🤝 nim
lusty grotto
it affects armor and block
bleak breach
This may be a stupid question, but our bleeds don’t crit do they? Like not themselves?
mighty valley
any damage tick can crit in the year of our lord 2023
bleak breach
I know the new tier can crit, but rend, deep wounds and TR dot?
lusty grotto
they sure do
toxic pewter
when we consume the bleeds in 10.2 are we theoretically losing dps on possible tick crits that would have occurred if they never were consumed
strong forum
no
lusty grotto
no
mighty valley
no
lusty grotto
cause you just reapply them after
toxic pewter
why not
bleak breach
We can basically just instantly re apply the dots, so no loss.
toxic pewter
its taken into account in the 40% damage?
strong forum
in that 20 second window of the bleed ticking, a deep wounds would do around 30k dmg
toxic pewter
We can basically just instantly re apply the dots, so no loss.
yeah but those repplied ones will be consumed also
strong forum
but in that same 20sec window
lusty grotto
every tick has its indpendent percent of being a crit
bleak breach
Yep, but you’ve still got nearly 100% dot uptime and then also have your bursts.
lusty grotto
you dont lose a crit if a tick doesnt happen
strong forum
YOU CONSUME THE BLEED LIKE 7 TIMES
bleak breach
Will be way more damage
toxic pewter
Ok i think I understand..
bleak breach
I can see what you mean, but you’re basically doing these massive bursts of damage plus having your dots up most of the fight.
strong forum
like for the tierset to be a loss
you need to only get 2 tierset procs in 20 seconds
which is impossible
bleak breach
The trick to it is trying to maintain as much dot uptime as possible in the null periods, so after the tier goes off instantly TC and reapply deep wounds, which is just from a melee anyway.
strong forum
yes but you dont only get 2 procs
toxic pewter
so any more than 3
bleak breach
@strong forum WA covers it really well
toxic pewter
is good
toxic pewter
ok
mighty valley
if you'd asked this question about the thunderous roar component a couple of weeks ago, you would've been correct
strong forum
consuming the bleeds
toxic pewter
it really do be proccing a lot
strong forum
basically every single IP you press
daring marlin
many procs
strong forum
is a tierset proc
daring marlin
is that...good?
strong forum
its 15k dps good
toxic pewter
do we even have time to press revenge these days lmao
daring marlin
sick
strong forum
not alot no
toxic pewter
like unironically
strong forum
youll very rarely press revenge
toxic pewter
yea dang
daring marlin
all my homies hate revenge
toxic pewter
yeah i am not huge revenge enjoyer anyway
strong forum
revenges prio doesnt change
used to reset shield slam
and apply deep wounds in aoe
grand veldt
UMMM
BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED RUNNING TITANIC THROW AND IMPROVED HEROIC THROW INSTEAD?
toxic pewter
O_O
grand veldt
hahaha
strong forum
not good
grand veldt
yeah ofc just joking around
toxic pewter
oh to get deep wounds going
grand veldt
i use titanic throw for brackenhide lashers but i really do not like that talent in general
lusty grotto
heh
sick sentinel
TT = terrible talent
sick sentinel
i hate it personally
lusty grotto
using 2 talent points for something you can do with revenge as far as applying DW should always be a joke
grand veldt
i hate giving up heroic leap cdr for it
strong forum
exactly
toxic pewter
lol wish our damn talent trees were not so tight
sick sentinel
for the same reason i hate int whatever shout
daring marlin
lol wish our damn talent trees were not so tight
could be worse
could be a pepega tree
grand veldt
it could be but gd
toxic pewter
yeah true.. i shouldnt complain
grand veldt
the trees feel really tight on left side
sick sentinel
just the chance that you hit it and then, ah, you pulled shit you didnt want to, guess we wipe now
sick sentinel
not gunna play around with it no ty
toxic pewter
Yeah with all my gripes I cannot deny our trees have been best in all the specs arguably
grand veldt
just the chance that you hit it and then, ah, you pulled shit you didnt want to,...
this already happens to me with things like mark of dagrul trinkets and sidearm
side arm procs of heroic throw
strong forum
just the chance that you hit it and then, ah, you pulled shit you didnt want to,...
doesnt happen
sick sentinel
its not exactly but sure
strong forum
and side arm cannot ninja pull either
sick sentinel
i don't care i don't trust those buttons no longer
strong forum
idk why youre making stuff up
sick sentinel
they screwed me in the past, so im not risking it
lusty grotto
ehhh nome
urban bane
yogi typing 
lusty grotto
titanic throw can def ninja pull
i know cause i had it happen in RLP
and then in Nelth
strong forum
are you sure its not because it socialed
lusty grotto
nope
strong forum
because the 2nd group was too close
lusty grotto
close yeah but not socialed
sick sentinel
i walked into the pig boss room of WCM months ago
pressed it and the entire room pulled
hearted out to take off talent, never used it sicne
strong forum
easily reproducable
sick sentinel
fear is the worst cc generally speaking unless you can garuntee the mob wont try to move around too much
toxic pewter
ptr realms offline.. incoming patch maybe
lusty grotto
fear breaks instantly though lol
sick sentinel
great if it works vs a solo target, in a vacum, its great
sick sentinel
fear has a few weird rules to it
lusty grotto
they still have to fix a few things though
like idk if you guys have heard but SP tier is absolute dogshit
it procs SW:Death and it can proc it multiple times
sick sentinel
sometimes it does break, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes they run in chaos other times they cower, often a mix of the 2
strong forum
yeah ok
lusty grotto
which means it can kill the SP
toxic pewter
here i am about to buy another 12 month sub lmao
lusty grotto
and also does way less dmg than the current tier
strong forum
TT can ninjapull if the target is relatively close to a 2nd pack
knotty venture
Patch already hit cdn around 3:40. Diablo downloads may be hurting things showing up for people
lusty grotto
yeah
toxic pewter
Patch already hit cdn around 3:40. Diablo downloads may be hurting things showin...
osnap youre right downloading it now
knotty venture
Yeah. Datamining discord picked it up already but I haven’t seen any of the other watchers notice it yet. People are saying the download is snail pace too
mighty valley
here i am about to buy another 12 month sub lmao <:sadge:820202363359854633>
apb, what message are you sending to all the people who rely on your opinions on current events if you say that wow is boring and doomed one day and then buy a 12 month sub the next
toxic pewter
I mean I gotta get the 12 month gifts
its tough for me
I only criticize wow cuz i love it so
mighty valley
toxic pewter
well thats true
i use purely gold for sub
i am a multi millionaire in game
from DF engineering early in df
made 18 million gold
strong forum
too lazy for professions
rather buy a few tokens
than do content i dont wanna do
yeah nah im good
not worth the risk
opaque quest
Well then get a wife to make phials nonstop lmao
strong forum
saving a couple bucks aint worth losing 16 years
toxic pewter
thats for damn sure
do not try and circumvent blizzard.. they see all
they got their hands in everything
median tulip
Gold is kinda useless
strong forum
good for you roach
waxen orbit
toxic pewter
stop botting please youre ruining the in game economy
waxen orbit
I'm back because I saw the tier set next patch (and because I'm gonna actually try for CE next tier)
toxic pewter
hell yeah welcome back
waxen orbit
And you just admitted to it in a class discord
toxic pewter
i see
sick sentinel
blizz prolly
bleak breach
Zskarn is rough, a real roadblock for a lot of teams.
If you’re getting a carry they normally just get you to die off the bat anyway so they don’t risk wipes and 19m
torn gulch
seems crafted gear got buffed to 486 like in season 1
opaque quest
Just did Underrot on my roommates mage for weekly
Guess who got crawg
And doesnt have it on his own acc
Im gonna throw up
orchid mural
you don't want that mount anyhoo's, has some creepy shark eyes
toxic pewter
still cant believe zero blue text
lusty grotto
i guess i dont know how many crests you get per key or w/e
if its 1 per key, that's gonna be a long long time
waxen frigate
LETS GO BABY
strong forum
nice, you should get some vers tho, pretty sure you'll sim better with vers sockets
strong forum
you get 14 crests per key yea?
12
toxic pewter
so wait are crests basically just fragments from 10.1
daring marlin
nishstinky more like
strong forum
oh we're talking about 101.2
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
crests should drop at the same rate as fragments do right now
if im not mistaken
so everything requires a lot more crests
but is essentially the same
lucid dew
is it fine to macro shield block into shield slam?
pallid quiver
No
You need to space out your SB uses or else you can run into uptime issues
In addition, sometimes SB is used as an off GCD rage dump and defensive, so if you make the macro wrong it can just fail
lucid dew
interesting i guess that makes sense then
bleak breach
LETS GO BABY
What are your single target numbers like?
That’s very different to my stats
lusty grotto
big dam
bleak breach
big dam
Just curious of the variance, very different to my stats. Curious to see if our single target damage is similar.
torn gulch
they are gonna have to raise 10.2 vault ilvl to 486 to match the crafted ilvl
they will prob anounce that this week
bleak breach
Vault is just equivalent to the gear that drops
If you’re using aspect crests, you’re getting myth rank gear, so will be equal or higher ilvl once full upgraded.
torn gulch
yea but you can't have max vault being under crafted gear ilvl doesn't matter where it is on the myth track
it's very wonky
now vault is 483 and crafted 486
and that should not be a thing doesn't matter that it can be upgraded
we know we can upgrade to 489
bleak breach
I don’t think that’s too big a drama
If we can still upgrade it higher then the crafted it’s all g for me.
Just means we need spare crests to get it to 489
torn gulch
yea we'll need 2 per +20 vault item at the moment
we'll use embelished crafted gear, rings and necks at 486 most likely
actually necks can be socketed so if you get perfect stated myth track neck you might not need crafted
bleak breach
I’m a weirdo lol
I don’t like having heaps of crafted gear, I use stuff from dungeons/raids even if not perfect stats
chilly brook
I don’t think that’s too big a drama
the crafted gear nerf is silly
exists for no good reason
chilly brook
It addresses a "problem" that doesn't exist
bleak breach
Was just over performing
chilly brook
Nah it has nothing to do with overperforming
bleak breach
Damage was likely scaling too high
chilly brook
the difference between damage from you being 446 or w/e with a lot of crafted gear and mostly M+/raid gear is basically nothing
And you're only "flooded" with crafted gear late into the season
bleak breach
What nerf are you talking? I’m assuming you’re talking embellishments?
chilly brook
If you want to make crafted gear less prevalent the answer isn't to make it worse than other gear, it's simply to just limit how much of it you can equip
chilly brook
What nerf are you talking? I’m assuming you’re talking embellishments?
no the ilvl nerf
the 6 ilvl nerf
bleak breach
That’s no issue
chilly brook
it is
bleak breach
It’s only compared to mythic ranked gear
bleak breach
Nope
chilly brook
It's on par rn except for late boss loot
it's now not on par next patch
how is that not a nerf?
bleak breach
I don’t think it should be anyway
waxen frigate
pug augvokers are cancer
bleak breach
It’s a nerf to players who aren’t doing mythic, I don’t mind added benefit to doing the top content.
It’s 3 ilvl
486-489
waxen frigate
If you want to make crafted gear less prevalent the answer isn't to make it wors...
i disagree
it's just going back to how it was in s1
and it was fine in s1
this tier it's too prevalent
waxen frigate
you can literally just craft every single slot other than your tier
at 447
(and trinkets)
you get a free socket on 447 bis-statted rings
it's dumb
chilly brook
you can literally just craft every single slot other than your tier
so the solution is to LIMIT the amount you can equip
not to nerf the items
bleak breach
No
waxen frigate
I completely disagree
bleak breach
I don’t think you should be able to craft gear equal to mythic
chilly brook
you're getting a nerf to ilvl and embellishments lmao
waxen frigate
you should not be able to craft your bis gear from doing +17s
bleak breach
Mythic is the highest content in the game, it deserves to be better
waxen frigate
^
chilly brook
You don't do mythic for the gear
waxen frigate
3ilvl lower is more than fair
chilly brook
if you just wanted to get gear M+ is more efficient
chilly brook
It really is
waxen frigate
that's a horrible comparison
waxen frigate
m+ gear is 6ilvl lower
chilly brook
So crafted gear becomes useless is the answer lol
waxen frigate
So crafted gear becomes useless is the answer lol
it's not useless
was it useless in season 1
bleak breach
It’s better then anything you can get if you’re not a CE player
Or praying for a lucky vault roll
waxen frigate
^ and it fills in gaps
3ilvl lower than mythic, but still better than heroic gear and M+ max upgradeable gear, and you're calling it useless lmao
chilly brook
was it useless in season 1
you're saying season 1 as if embellishments weren't orders of magnitude more impactful then
waxen frigate
other than lariat they were not
bleak breach
I.e I’ve been chasing a ring all tier and haven’t got it so still running 437. If I wasn’t to lazy to craft I could have 447 instead. But I’m lazy
waxen frigate
lol
chilly brook
they've been consistently nerfed since then and are being nerfed again next patch...
waxen frigate
they've been consistently nerfed since then and are being nerfed again next patc...
literally every embellishment other than lariat received massive buffs going into s2
daring marlin
Does crafted gear still take two weeks per piece next patch?
bleak breach
I haven’t seen anything directly on that
daring marlin
If it does you're both hilarious
bleak breach
I’d assume 1 on launch then every 2nd week.
chilly brook
Also "BiS gear shouldn't be able to be had by doing 17s" you uhhh you did mythic track upgrade content...why should you not be able to get a BiS item after a couple runs?
bleak breach
Equal to catalyst
waxen frigate
Also "BiS gear shouldn't be able to be had by doing 17s" you uhhh you did mythic...
because a +17 is literally braindead content
why should a +17 give you gear equivalent to zskarn
daring marlin
Why do you care what other players do?
waxen frigate
?
bleak breach
Yes it does
waxen frigate
it makes it a hell of a lot easier
bleak breach
Go in there at 420
waxen frigate
a gear curve is pretty essential to raid balancing
daring marlin
When that 17 drops the same gear and trinkets you'd have a point
chilly brook
doing mythic raid for gear is cringe lmao
chilly brook
it makes it a hell of a lot easier
Zskarn is 95% execution
chilly brook
doesn't matter if you're 446 or 440
bleak breach
If heroic didn’t have better gear we wouldn’t do it
waxen frigate
it's about early progression
chilly brook
No it’s not
you're right I haven't done Zskarn....
waxen frigate
sure once everyone farms to infinity 3ilvl doesnt matter
chilly brook
it's about early progression
Oh you mean like when Limit was 440 without crafted gear???
lmfaooooo
bleak breach
This is a ridiculous argument you’re trying to make. Why not just take gear out of mythic all together then?
waxen frigate
Oh you mean like when Limit was 440 without crafted gear???
ya bro we're all in limit
what a stupid fucking sentence
chilly brook
no it's not
daring marlin
damn dude those pesky 17+ keys giving mythic raid equivalenr gear once every checks notes other week.
waxen frigate
the timetable means nothing to me idk why you act like that's a gotcha
you shouldn't be able to get it from a 17 at all
chilly brook
Again no one would make the argument that crafted gear was too good if you were limited to say 3 crafted items, 2 being embellisment and 1 non
daring marlin
🤡 you dropped this fam
chilly brook
the timetable means nothing to me idk why you act like that's a gotcha
so a problem that doesn't exist until.....16 weeks into the season, the time is irrelevant?
bleak breach
I really don’t think crafted being 3 ilvl lower then mythic raid gear is an issue at all.
waxen frigate
being able to craft bis gear week 2 is problematic in my opinion end of point
regardless of whether it's one piece or all of it
waxen frigate
Yes
chilly brook
So getting a BiS item out of vault week 2 is a problem too?
daring marlin
You're genuinely ridiculous lmao
waxen frigate
If you're getting a bis item out of vault, you're clearing the content to give you bis items
daring marlin
heyo yogi you should arbitrarily be lower ilvl my man
bleak breach
Like you can still get to 486 fully crafted what’s the drama? A CE player might be 489-490. It’s not a drama
A deserved gap imo
There’s no need to attack people over a difference of opinion. High rank content deserves higher rewards.
I would keep the M+ vault the same though
waxen frigate
If anything I think M+ gear should continue to scale to 3ilvl lower than mythic raid (at least)
from upgrades
not just vault
bleak breach
16s are difficult enough. Especially early on, once you’re at this stage obviously they’re easy. But early on most players struggle.
waxen frigate
I think if you do a 25 (current tuning) you should be able to get a 444 or even 447
It's not like I want to limit the gear to one content
daring marlin
lol
waxen frigate
I just dont think being able to craft a bis weapon week 1/2 is fun
chilly brook
If you're getting a bis item out of vault, you're clearing the content to give y...
17s give you BiS track items out of vault rn, only difference is it's RNG whether you get the item you want or not....
like you're cooked
waxen frigate
FWIW I don't think 17s should do that
daring marlin
I was waiting for the arbitrary acceptable level you would cite
waxen frigate
I think the move from 20s to 17s
was stupid
everything is arbitrary man it's all opinion at the end of the day
daring marlin
And you're the one trying to limit people based on your opinion
It wasn't necessary to reduce the ilvl at all.
waxen frigate
it wasn't necessary to inflate it after s1
418s were fine
literally zero problem with it
Gave players who did lower end content a way to catch up and have a fighting chance in higher end content without gatekeeping the ability to do it
But also allowed high end players to fill in gaps in their gear based on bad RNG, while still allowing for that RNG to eventually result in an appropriate reward
chilly brook
Gave players who did lower end content a way to catch up and have a fighting cha...
you're literally gate keeping lmao
"in order to have BiS gear you should have to farm hardest content"
waxen frigate
???
daring marlin
muh item level
waxen frigate
and you should be able to get very near bis
without having to do it
giving you the opportunity to play on a relatively equal level
without entirely devaluing the content
chilly brook
imagine if gear was the only reason to do content
waxen frigate
"in order to have BiS gear you should have to farm hardest content"
i mean why not just make world quest gear upgradable then
to 447
like ???
chilly brook
Tbh why not
waxen frigate
because at that point
just remove gear entirely
and then bam you lose a shitload of players
chilly brook
maybe don't make it fast to do so
waxen frigate
because progression is ultimately the point of an MMORPG
daring marlin
Tbh why not
I agree. Unironically bring back titanfucking gear.
idgaf if johnny WQ gets a giga aracanocrystal.
waxen frigate
for me it's always been the same mindset: if you aren't raiding mythic, why do you need mythic gear
you should be able to get the appropriate gear for your chosen difficulty of content by doing that content
daring marlin
Yes, yes. We get it. muh gatekeeping mentality
waxen frigate
yes yes gatekeep i'm an elitist i hate casuals im so smart
like fuck off with the ad hominem attacks man
daring marlin
You're soft. How unfortunate!
chilly brook
because progression is ultimately the point of an MMORPG
And why shouldn't someone who only does world content be able to progress? What difference does it make if they can have 447 or 435? Just make it inefficient
daring marlin
You should embrace the fact that you want to limit people that do content you deem trivial. Because a yogi having your ilvl of gear takes something away from you.
...somehow
waxen frigate
And why shouldn't someone who only does world content be able to progress? What ...
Because they haven't earned it. That's it. That's the last I'm gonna say on this stupid ass argument.
chilly brook
earned it? lol
based on?
I see people with close to bis ilvl every expansion who only do normal raid
daring marlin
Because you hold an untenable position. LMAO
chilly brook
did they earn it?
chilly brook
who tf cares
daring marlin
Look how mad he is
chilly brook
go play classic or some shit if you want to gatekeep gear behind some arbitrary difficulty
it's stupid
daring marlin
bleak breach
I like gear being stuck behind specific content. It gives a purpose to do higher content, I really don’t see the issue.
I think M+ is fine as is though
waxen frigate
I think M+ gear deserves a buff
bleak breach
The crafting gap is good too, there’s no issue with having mythic raid gear higher then everything else.
waxen frigate
you should be able to get mythic track gear from not-vault
bleak breach
20 and above I agree
daring marlin
That's weird. When I do tough content it's for overcoming a challenge and prestige. Like rocking a sick title or a mount.
bleak breach
16 and above for vault is fine
daring marlin
20s are braindead easy.
bleak breach
Gear is good too
daring marlin
Not much different than a 17.