No one wants what bear got
#protection
molten rock
toxic pewter
An entire expansion with zero notes or communication from the devs is what we are about to experience
molten rock
Bear got taken out back and shot in the head
toxic pewter
Like I am here pointing it out that we are on the verge of an entire expansion with 3 major patches with zero iteration, communication, or changes and I am effectively told “what are you complaining about”
It boggles the mind
molten rock
But what’s actually wrong other than lower utility
molten rock
Every tank is that simple
The only one that’s more complex is brew in terms of Dps rotation
toxic pewter
Meanwhile our rage loop mechanic is also dated at this point and not even as good as it has been previously
molten rock
And warrior has the most off global buttons to press
molten rock
It’s better than bear I’ll tell you that
They legit target caped their rage
The one thing bear was good at will be gone
toxic pewter
I guess I am more of the type of player that would like to see more iteration. That’s just how I am. I guess most prefer to keep things with how they are
Yeah bear got nerfed get that
But they also had a rework
I am wanting a rework
But I guess no one else does
molten rock
I’d rather they touch other tanks specs first
toxic pewter
Bdk and brew I guess I can see that
toxic pewter
But I think our situation is worse than it appears. There’s a reason no one plays prot warrior and it’s more than just community perception
molten rock
Fast paced spam has just kinda always been where warrior feels good
ionic fern
But I think our situation is worse than it appears. There’s a reason no one play...
Not really, no.
But i know you like your wild takes, so i'll just keep reading and drinking my coffee.
toxic pewter
It’s not a wild take: we are now about to have an entire expansion with zero changes, iteration, and communication for the major patches
ionic fern
Who cares?
We are in a solid enough place.
toxic pewter
Right most people don’t care.. it’s strange to me that’s the case
grand veldt
You can just range it, it's a 10 yard ability
ionic fern
Jeah, why fix something if we're doing fine. 🤔
Not like you need a big mid-expansion rework for every class.
molten rock
I don’t like ravager dragons roar that much I’ll give you that
grand veldt
I am tired of spamming revenge and ss all day
Bro our left tree is painfully rigid, definitely could use less in there and combine talents
the right tree feels nice
but could always improve
toxic pewter
Something has felt off for a long time.. I don’t want to feel just fine.. I want to see iteration, changes to our utility situation, new abilities, to make us great
grand veldt
disrupting shout and aoe taunt should be 1 talent
toxic pewter
I want to MAKE PROT GREAT AGAIN
ionic fern
Prot is great. 🤷
pallid quiver
Just give us vengeance back
ionic fern
To me it just sounds you don't like the current iteration.
molten rock
Bear is blatantly op rn
pallid quiver
It's definitely great; all the tanks are extremely capable. There's none that's suffering
toxic pewter
Yeah I guess I am unhappy with current prot like I don’t deny it’s fine and it works but I just feel like it’s not as fun as it could be
molten rock
I think warrior is probably the most balanced tank spec
toxic pewter
That’s why I want a rework
grand veldt
I think i'd agree with dumothy for the most part
toxic pewter
10.2 is looking to be the last major patch of df
molten rock
I do agree that sometimes prot is kinda boring
grand veldt
idk im too addicted to reflect
toxic pewter
And our greatest change was 5% buff to defensive stance LOL
grand veldt
i dont mind the small rotation
molten rock
But tbh that’s just because it’s too easy to maintain defensives and rage doesn’t exist most of the time
toxic pewter
ONCE AGAIN: Our greatest change for the ENTIRE expansion is looking to be a 5% BUFF TO DEFENSIVE STANCE damage LOL “all is ok”
ionic fern
ONCE AGAIN: Our greatest change for the ENTIRE expansion is looking to be a 5% B...
Jeah, it's fine.
toxic pewter
I guess I am just not in agreement with that
ionic fern
You saying "prot feels boring" is a really-really lackluster response to "I WANT CHANGES".
grand veldt
delete the shockwave cdr talent and make it baseline
toxic pewter
Yeah I would like to see iteration
grand veldt
most annoying thing about prot is my stop is on a 45 secd cd
druid roar is inifnitely better
ionic fern
Yeah I would like to see iteration
Play other talents then.
toxic pewter
But I love prot warrior 
molten rock
I made a post on this in the fury cord a while back, but I believe shockwave should be where fear is and fear should be baseline
ionic fern
Play other TALENTS, not classes.
molten rock
The node below fear should be our current shockwave nodes
toxic pewter
Oh oops misread lol sorry
grand veldt
druid roar covers a the fucking world
molten rock
True also it’s just better
ionic fern
Go play spear.
Go play Sonic Boom.
molten rock
Cause it’s shorter cd not on the dr
grand veldt
yeah
toxic pewter
Apparently I can change how I play to mix it up
bleak breach
Bring back big brrrr shockwave
molten rock
Bring back big brrrr shockwave
TRUE
bleak breach
When was that? Wrath Cata?
grand veldt
like i started as druid fotm this tier after dropping pally
grand veldt
and the difference in stops for war was so noticable
toxic pewter
I guess I’m just frustrated
bleak breach
Also make revenge do damage again
grand veldt
the range and cdr part of shock needs to be base
our fear
should be 45 second cd
idk why its not
if im talenting disrupting shout it should be 1 min cd
with the aoe interrupt
molten rock
I think it should’nt be a talent with how weak it is
It’s competition is priest fear
grand veldt
true
molten rock
I don’t even take fear unless I’m prot now
I take it sometimes if I need it as fury but it being target capes is cringe af
grand veldt
yeah idk why its target capped
molten rock
I can agree with you that warrior is more simplistic @toxic pewter but I do think that’s kinda where it needs to be to be relevant
toxic pewter
But we are irrelevant
molten rock
Most of the tanks are more complex and have these super weird interactions all throughout their kit that make it really complex for people just trying to learn to tank, so I’m ok with prot warrior being on the simple side.
ionic fern
But we are irrelevant
?????????????
toxic pewter
We are the most irrelevant tank
toxic pewter
Not at all
molten rock
I mean we are the best tank in neltharions lair rn
molten rock
That’s how good our neiche of spell reflect is
toxic pewter
But it’s a fact
molten rock
I think brew is much worse off than prot warrior rn
toxic pewter
We are considered the least fun tank
And also considered tank that brings the least
Most people don’t have a clue how prot warrior even functions
ionic fern
Mate, every expansion, every big patch, every small patch there are some classes that are "looked down upon".
There's a simple reason for this. People like tier lists. People like to think something is great and something is garbage.
Even if the tank difference would be 1% between all of them..people would still say "Nah, that one's garbage".
It's a sheep mentality.
ionic fern
We are considered the least fun tank
Now you are just trolling. 🙂
toxic pewter
Mate, every expansion, every big patch, every small patch there are some classes...
That’s true and I agree with you
molten rock
I think out of all the tanks the worst one is brew, as for fun that’s completely subjective
toxic pewter
I swear I’m not trying to troll
bleak breach
Prot warr is fun and easy to play
molten rock
All of the tanks with the exception of brew are all really close
ionic fern
Prot warr is fun and easy to play
"easy to play" is up a certain point.
molten rock
And obviously bear is way high
bleak breach
Maybe missing 1 ability in its rotation as it can seem trivial at times, but I enjoy it. Fast paced, great movement and enough cds.
molten rock
The movement is so nice
bleak breach
"easy to play" is up a certain point.
Well yeah, at the high end I agree. But at its foundations for most content it’s fairly easy and enjoy full to play.
molten rock
I think prot warrior has the simplest forms of metigation
Especially for new players
toxic pewter
Df prot warr is undoubtedly easier than many past iterations
bleak breach
Don’t think a full rework is necessary. Maybe just a slight change or 2, but every tank has its strengths and weaknesses. We’re fairly well balance and in 10.2 likely the top raid tank plus will do well in M+
toxic pewter
Time will tell
It’s just kind of messed up we going an entire expansion with zero blue text of import
molten rock
The latest I can go back is 8.3
Prot warrior in SL was garbage gameplay and garbage playstyle
But I think 8.3 is when the spec felt the best
10.0 is probably the closest to 8.3 prot has ever felt
toxic pewter
I actually had more fun in shadowlands than in df
molten rock
SL prot warrior was the least fun tank spec to have ever existed
Thunderlord was cool
But tha whole charging for shield block was absolutely cringe
mighty valley
But tha whole charging for shield block was absolutely cringe
lotta people here miss the days of banner + reprisal heh
i definitely had fun at 9000cpm
bleak breach
I completely forgot about the banner haha
bleak breach
I think either an extra cd each way or ability could be the difference, but also not sure we need it. I.e enraged regen and recklessness which I’m sure we had at some stage? Or even colossus smash
toxic pewter
I mean yeah reprisal was annoying
molten rock
we had die by the sword
fora little bit in beta
but they deleted that shit cause itw as OP
The only thing from SL i miss is banner
toxic pewter
Blizz dev: here’s your greatest change for the entire expansion:“5% buff to damage in defensive stance”
Prot Warr: thank you dev for blessing me with this 🙏
LOL
bleak breach
If we don’t need it what’s the drama though?
ionic fern
He likes to doom & gloom.
bleak breach
There has been some very nice buffs to us this xpac
ionic fern
That's about it.
bleak breach
Game changing no, but we haven’t needed it. I.e bear, brew and prot Pally pre buffs and now vdh
At those times they all needed them
mighty valley
ideally there should be WAY fewer reworks than there were overall this expansion
but with a big overhaul like the talent tree, it was to be expected
i don't know why we'd want to just see changes for the sake of changes though
toxic pewter
Yeah we had entire new trees made and then zero iteration. That’s the point I’m making. Sure we went through beta process (lost bleed removal, skull banner, possible leap grip) and then they were like ok here ya go and we haven’t heard from them in a year. Then I find out 10.2 is the final major patch and we yet again get nothing? Wait we got NERFED to our core utility ability we have had since vanilla and not a peep out of the community about. Zero compensation too
shakes head
ionic fern
Yes, because the majority of the playerbase enjoys the class and the "OMG I NEED A CHANGE FOR MY CLASS" mentality is not widespread luckily.
toxic pewter
It’s just to go an entire year with zero communication, then to get nerfed in 10.2 with zero compensation is a very bad look
ionic fern
What nerf are you even talking about?
toxic pewter
Rallying cry nerfed heavily
ionic fern
..............................
bleak breach
We’ve had 2-3 waves of buffs plus and insane tier set
That’s a warrior thing and all raid cds got nerfed
toxic pewter
That’s a warrior thing and all raid cds got nerfed
Darkness buffed for party content
To slap the tank with widely considered weakest utility with a nerf is a bad look
And I will say something that’s for sure
bleak breach
My only though was we should’ve had a new talent choice, rather then it just taken from us. Or shuffle the board so we can pick something else because second wind sucks.
molten rock
unfortunately warrior utility in M+ remains kinda doodoo
toxic pewter
That’s my point
molten rock
I agree it's weak, but we don't need a rework
toxic pewter
Make rally work 100% in party content
molten rock
just more accessability to the utility we do have
pallid quiver
make execute pop enemies into the air, allowing for a follow-up infinite combo marvel style
toxic pewter
But imagine we lost bleed removal, skull banner, leap grip, and now rallying cry weakening
Like why is blizzard bullying us
ionic fern
Are you ok apb?
toxic pewter
Yes
ionic fern
Doesn't look like it.
You've so far made 0 valid points outside of "I WANT A REWORK, BLIZZ BULLY, PROT NOT POPULAR".
toxic pewter
I am just passionate about it, but I will take a break perhaps I ranted a bit much
ionic fern
The only thing i can agree with you on is that our talent build is riggid IF you want to min-max.
But if you're not into that, you can legit run w/e the hell talents you want into 20's easily.
bleak breach
Yeah, our talent tree is kinda 1 dimensional. All builds are the same with like 1 change.
bleak breach
1 issue I have it we basically play the same in aoe and ST
thin silo
The reason we've seen so few changes is that we had the best designed talent tree at launch compared to other classes, and they're only just catching up
ionic fern
1 issue I have it we basically play the same in aoe and ST
I will 100% take this over some gimped "You have a separate ST and AoE build. If you AoE build you do 0 ST, if you ST build you do 0 AoE".
pallid quiver
that's always pain right there
bleak breach
That’s fair
ionic fern
Looking how the ret pally in my guild is doing 300-400k AoE in dungeons and then like 60k ST
Is ...
Ugh
pallid quiver
It's neat to me if it's more committal, like you're making an actual choice to sacrifice something, but
that's not how modern or even classic wow plays
ionic fern
Painful.
bleak breach
I’ve got no real issues though. I enjoy our playstyle. Yes there could be minor changes or things added, but it’s all pretty smooth.
ionic fern
It's neat to me if it's more committal, like you're making an _actual_ choice to...
I wouldn't mind it if all classes had it.
But currently only some do. 😂
pallid quiver
Like, I enjoy that kind of dynamic in a lot of the dungeon crawlers I play
But it feels bad especially like that, Mwahi, when it's both patchwork to who it applies to and with the game being the way it is
bleak breach
Kinda sucks there’s not much a potential with streaming for wow. I guess it’s been round so long it’s lost it’s popularity a bit. There’s still a lot of players, but just doesn’t pull the views of other games.
lone wren
Is the dawn of infinite trinket really worth it for us? Like I see very few occasions in heroic raid where something one shot us
lone wren
Thanks
pallid quiver
your cotanks can oneshot you tho
lone wren
Like dk and druid I remember they were searching hard for the trinket
pallid quiver
It has its uses, but most people who get the cheat death trinket
don't need it
lone wren
~~your cotanks can oneshot you tho~~
Ok in lfr where the other tank went afk and I was at more than 20 magmatic mark yes that killed me..
pallid quiver
It's even less useful for DK since you can just talent purg
lone wren
Magmarox *
pallid quiver
But for raiding, I don't think there's anything of note, particularly on Heroic, where it's worth having Cheat Death
It's specifically useful for situations in which you directly intend to proc it to enable some pull or strategy that's literally not possible otherwise
lone wren
Maybe and maybe rashok if not taunting quickly
pallid quiver
that should be solved by just playing right
lone wren
I guess yes is maybe a mytic plus trinket
pallid quiver
Instead of a "fall back" like most people treat the trink as
lone wren
For high keys
But the. You lose a tonne of dps
Like my trinkets are 8-10 percent of my dps
pallid quiver
A better example would be to intentionally solo soak a mechanic or bomb or something in a raid without CDs to save CDs for a more dire part of the fight. I can't think of anything in current raid, though
lone wren
Each
pallid quiver
But even in that case, it'd have to be something beyond what even the defensive trinkets available can help with, otherwise you get more use out of those
lone wren
The hast dawn of the infinite dps trinket is still not worth compared tot he anvil/sarka trinket
Shieldwall + last stand with the block thing still up normally can make us survive everything no!
pallid quiver
It's more worth it to me because trying to pug to Sark is an interesting time.
Rather, trying to pug Sark specifically
I want to DPS so I can control more mechs better, but I also want to tank so I stop taking aggro as a DPS
lone wren
I don’t understand last part why you will not want to get agro?
lone wren
A yes I see we are talking about arms
pallid quiver
I just simply want to play all roles in the fight because your average pug can't handle one of the roles in a fight
lone wren
Yep I was hable once to get food slash with resto shaman with 4 other persons in the group… surprise it was a wipe…
So far did not do sarka hc with my warior at all but clearing it each week with my shaman
Still got sarka trinket from timewalking cache
And he is 438. It shows how easy it is to get gear those days
Which shadowland raids cna I solo as protection warior?
toxic geyser
So why did Andy’s damage go up 20% when using @strong forum’s weakaura? Surely it’s not that easy to misplay
warm plinth
Which shadowland raids cna I solo as protection warior?
None of them probably?
lone wren
I saw some bear Druids soloing some of them
toxic geyser
Bear is bear tho
warm plinth
I'm sure you can solo some bosses but I don't think you're soloing any full raid
pallid quiver
Just partake a little bit of the cheat engine and you'll be fine
Were it not Shadowlands, I'd go and check to see how much of Nathria I could hit
warm plinth
So why did Andy’s damage go up 20% when using <@192743144276623360>’s weakaura? ...
How are you determining that his damage went up 20%?
pallid quiver
Nome said it earlier
toxic geyser
How are you determining that his damage went up 20%?
Nom said it did
warm plinth
I kinda doubt the WA was solely responsible for that
pallid quiver
I wager it is pretty easy to just autopilot straight past the resets, honestly
warm plinth
Like you're obviously gaining a fair amount of thunder claps but in at least a decent number of those cases you would've pressed revenge instead
pallid quiver
It'd probably hit the top end of Prot Wars harder than a good chunk of people just due to sheer muscle memory and familiarity
warm plinth
So it's not like it's TC damage vs 0 damage or something
toxic geyser
Maybe he was previously wasting procs on mobs without all bleeds active? Seems unlikely?
pallid quiver
It's a bit of he went a while without getting rend back up it sounded like
And it was specifically ST damage for the 20%, too, iirc
Since Deep Wounds will likely be auto-reapplied by Devastator
warm plinth
Hmm. I guess but I didn't think the tier set was worth that much damage even after the recent changes and bug fix (the bug being it not critting)
pallid quiver
It sounds like it was a combination of multiple issues; less bleeds active, less bleed uptime, less rage gen to spend on IP, which is the main activator for the tier set
toxic geyser
I don’t know, Rend is kinda fat
ionic fern
No TC, no Rend.
Guess people forget to shoot TC and just spam SS with resets eating the tier proc
warm plinth
Noobs smh
Also hi ily
Where's Andy at, I wanna call him a noob to his face
Do I just ping all of them?
blazing condor
wonder what the most common discord name is
warm plinth
Something dumb probably
prisma phoenix
ember tangle
XxXbussyEnjoyerXxX
sweet summit
40/40/10/10 @urban portal 
bleak breach
Jesus, 40% crit in prot? What’s your gear like? I thought I had a fair bit and I’ve got 25% lol
weary saddle
@strong forum where is this wonderful WA that increases dmg by 20%
bleak breach
Ahh, why the low vers?
jagged pier
because we dont need it
lavish sphinx
Vers is low bang for buck
bleak breach
Fair enough, I think I’m at 40% ish haste 25 crit and 25 vers
jagged pier
u mean low bang for high buck
bleak breach
Only mastery I have is from beacon
weary saddle
https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek
This must be the wonderful WA that increases dmg by 20%
jagged pier
for like 3 pieces of mastery investment
bleak breach
Is this mostly for M+ or you run the same build for raiding?
bleak breach
Just curious is all
lavish sphinx
How does that WA increase dmg??
bleak breach
Helps have optimal scenario for new tier
So it does most damage
Is the high crit no vers mostly just for damage? Do you get any survivability issues that way?
jagged pier
well as survivability comes from play, no there are no issues
bleak breach
It does, but vers also reduces your damage taken and healing overall
jagged pier
u cant reach any amount of vers where it makes a difference
lavish sphinx
Yeah, very low ROI
jagged pier
your 25% vers id 12.5% damage redcution
for really high stat investment
and regardless with more parrying your IP covers more of the damage that warrior struggles with
completely stopping melees and taking half damage from magic bleeds etc
is more dr than reducing everything by 12%
bleak breach
Yeah, IP also increased by vers too though. Sorry about all the questions, just interesting too me. Haven’t really seen builds like that before
Maybe I just don’t take enough notice
lavish sphinx
I think it’s the combo of DR and Dmg (no mobs = no dmg type thinking)
jagged pier
just looked at the top 4 prots on io
the top amount of vers was 11%
doesnt really matter if IP is increase by vers
it still caps at 30% of your hp
and u use it so often its maxed really fast anyway
bleak breach
Yeah that’s fair
Might change my stats a bit in 10.2 and see how big a difference it makes
bleak breach
I never even noticed anything was different
ionic fern
How does that WA increase dmg??
I think it just tracks your bleeds / Fervid proc.
lavish sphinx
Ahh, makes sense thanks
lone wren
There is no way we can tank with a 2 handed weapon ever no? So why is the shield talent even an option and not build in?
Like some talents are 100% needed to take
lone wren
and u use it so often its maxed really fast anyway
You do not use versatility flasks?
opaque quest
Time to trans to US
jagged pier
im an EU player
jagged pier
AHs are region wide
opaque quest
I have 1 char there. Prices are constantly lower for everything
Ye but im on DE
Not EN
hardy snow
vers phials had recent rise in price, 3* indeed ended over 90, but it gone back to under 70 pretty quick
jagged pier
i dunno literally restocked all my consumes for new season before the price rises
guess thats started to happen
🤷
opaque quest
Just checked. Vers is now indeed cheaper
hardy snow
there is lots of fluctuation in prices before and after season begins
opaque quest
Ill have the wifey craft some ele chaos. They are 130g currently
sick sentinel
those are the 2 i generally get
theres other 30 minute combat phials i dont think are as good
waxen frigate
i dunno literally restocked all my consumes for new season before the price rise...
It’s probably the fact vers is used by basically everyone
Except the crit users
And even then vers is a safer, cheaper alternative
Elemental chaos, glacial fury, etc all just died out after VotI
hardy snow
100k for something I will use for the next year
hardy snow
while Ive spend 300k on transmogs recently that I will probably wont even use, just to have them 
blazing condor
uneven mason
while Ive spend 300k on transmogs recently that I will probably wont even use, j...
Are you me
hardy snow
ive bought icebane set for achievement and over 20 shields tmogs from professions 
dusky canopy
Equips random green from a legacy zone, “you never know might want to use this mog some day”
waxen frigate
So real
lusty tiger
Where is your shattering bone
waxen frigate
4% marrowrend 
lusty tiger
sick sentinel
i dont know wtf one of those is
oh, i dont have it
didnt read the effect, and then in the past i had tried out the bonestorm ability and i wasnt happy with it, so i stayed away from those talents since
waxen frigate
Shattering bone is insanely good
lusty grotto
nimchippy got anvil last night
waxen frigate
You don’t take bonestorm though
lusty grotto
fucking alt got every single aberrus item in a week
like aside from OCE i dont think it has to run heroic aberrus ever again
look at this shit
it only need aspects lmaooo
lusty grotto
yea
uneven mason
Shattering bone is insanely good
It's so good it's like cheating
uneven mason
Is that a bear
What's wrong with bear?
waxen frigate
I was just asking what it was
lusty grotto
it me
uneven mason
Gorilla form, have you no shame
jagged pier
imagine not aving all the bears
uneven mason
I have, just don't like
lusty grotto
also cat
uneven mason
The xmog is groovy
This time around
I think vdh is the only tank MT I didn't do because I never enjoyed it in legion
lusty grotto
well
i actually do not like the vdh ones
out of all the tanks
i use them cause fuck it
but i dont like the look
plush tendon
rapid echo
hello, what embelishments should i craft for a prot warr , with balance in mind and possibility of a offspec Arms dps ?( m+ only)
i saw the guide, with unstable belt and shadowflame patch, also saw someone in top raider io with double shadowflame
rapid echo
thank you
real fossil
for the start of the patch will y'all be playing bolster?
strong forum
you run bolster as long as you run t30 2pc
real fossil
and by the time you drop that i guess you assume you have enough haste that you don't need it
for full uptime on block
strong forum
ideally
strong forum
no surprise there
torn gulch
yep i can put some days off at last
wow the poster is pretty cool
the upper part of it
look at ebysian looking like a tank
strong forum
vyranoth also 100% confirmed ally now
it was already obvious but not entirely confirmed
strong forum
1 week later i presume
usually its 2 weeks downtime
but in DF its only been 1 week
you get 1 week or lore/new zone quests
then full season
final mist
Bet, time to put time off notices in
lusty grotto
eh
i wouldnt say that
releases have been pretty good
so far at least
its been a big while since we've had a shitshow
even SL was pretty smooth
lusty grotto
lol
well tbf a lot of people did play s1
and there wasnt anything outstanding that reinforced the idea of shit releases
now let me tell you about the OG TBC release
final mist
now let me tell you about the OG TBC release
WoD when the first 18 hours were unplayable due to several issues with the intro zones
MoP when the same thing happened
Half the patches in Vanilla when you legit couldn't get past the launch patcher for almost 2 days sometimes
uneven mason
WoD when the first 18 hours were unplayable due to several issues with the intro...
I spent 7 hours trying to cut down 2 trees
jagged pier
Wow ppl complaining about a patch being 180 days back in my day patches were 14 months long
uneven mason
Wow ppl complaining about a patch being 180 days back in my day patches were 14 ...
Complaining no, just saying I played for all of it
final mist
Wow ppl complaining about a patch being 180 days back in my day patches were 14 ...
👴 👴 "back in our day..."
blazing condor
wasnt SoO like a year long
final mist
More
final mist
Siege was nearly 14 months IIRC
blazing condor
And we still killin garrosh
uneven mason
Back in my day we didn't get content patches, we had an expansion every 6 months and it took 4 of those to hit the new level cap
final mist
I believe ICC was over a year as well, if I remember correctly
sick sentinel
i never did kill LK in wrath
uneven mason
I believe ICC was over a year as well, if I remember correctly
But ruby sanctum 
sick sentinel
didnt even fight him
final mist
But ruby sanctum <:clowning:745703559202603121>
uneven mason
I killed lk on normal and then Heroic sindragosa killed my guild
I can still hear her voice
"Suffer mortals, as your pathetic magic betraaaaaaaaaAaaYs you!"
sick sentinel
it was that fucking debuff
lusty grotto
WoD when the first 18 hours were unplayable due to several issues with the intro...
yeah youre right
sick sentinel
she did some shit that you had to mechanics
and then we couldnt ever survive the ice dmg
lusty grotto
aside from some khadgar issues in Legion
oblique garnet
MoP when the same thing happened
I had 0 issues on mop launch wdym
lusty grotto
those were the last time releases were bad
i also had no issues in WoD but i rushed garrison
but the rest of my friends did
hollow bolt
sick sentinel
i still stand by not that the game is easier, but its less likely to turn fatal in a 3rd of a second like fatal to the key or boss attempt
lusty grotto
yeah
strong forum
WoD was fucked but i was fast so i got lucky ahead of the curve
lusty grotto
likewise
oblique garnet
I remember losing server first bs and mining to the same guy who got to max first because i had to travel home from school
sick sentinel
every single time i go to run lair now, and i get to cave in bros (any of them)
sick sentinel
i just, totaly await and expect someon to die to cave in
usually seems to be healer or dps, but god there is alot of stuff that is just instant death
final mist
I had 0 issues on mop launch wdym
I remember the horde intro zone being super laggy for a couple of hours
The temple place
On top of the wait time to get in ofc
jagged pier
Yer i got through had no issue innwod was a good time
final mist
Of course I'm almost 30 so maybe I'm just getting old and early onset dementia is hitting me
uneven mason
she did some shit that you had to mechanics
Summary of every boss fight ever
blazing condor
what matters is getting ahead of the slow people
What matter is having fun and not making other people cry
sick sentinel
Summary of every boss fight ever
it was some ice dragon shit that killed me
thats all i remeber
lusty grotto
Of course I'm almost 30 so maybe I'm just getting old and early onset dementia i...
stop it im feeling ancient now thanks
uneven mason
Of course I'm almost 30 so maybe I'm just getting old and early onset dementia i...
Bruh I was MMOing before you were born, can still do prot rotation
jagged pier
What matter is having fun and not making other people cry
Oh no making ppl cry was the best because they were stuck at their garrison Kek
final mist
Bruh I was MMOing before you were born, can still do prot rotation
Buddy prot is ingrained as a muscle memory, I've been playing this game since I was legit 7 years old
blazing condor
Im 7 and a half next week in dog years
final mist
I'll be unable to think or speak and still get 99 parses
sick sentinel
i would like the game to be like, if you have a max lvl paladin, or druid, or warrior and you have a max lvl tauren or goblin or troll and that race can be that spec, you can change for free, once per 3 months 6 months
uneven mason
Sal shitting his depends along with nimchip still pulling oranges out of his ear
uneven mason
Im 7 and a half next week in dog years
But that's like 50 in dog years
So you're a Boomer
leaden fern
If I don’t wanna waste sparks or money cause shadowflame armor patches and frost fire belt are both getting nerfed, what should I go for on my 410 tank that I’m getting up and ready for season 3? Or would getting those hypothetical other embellishments ahead of patch hurt my current performance?
grim pilot
embellishments in no way hurt your performance
craft whatever is good rn anyway
if you want to get ready for s3 you better be around 440 considering everyone will be and pugging even lowest levels will have that unspoken requirement
leaden fern
I appreciate the advice, thank you!
blazing condor
If I don’t wanna waste sparks or money cause shadowflame armor patches and frost...
embellishments aside make sure you got good shield and wep
shield is ur most important piece
normal rampart
Any idea on crest upgrades for catchup? Sitting on a lot of welps that will be helpful if I can upgrade
waxen frigate
Im 7 and a half next week in dog years
Rip your account
blazing condor
monka
leaden fern
shield is ur most important piece
Yea, got the shield to 447 already
lusty grotto
A twiumphant woaw echoes fwom atop the Seat of the Aspects as Nyasz'uwo, the Unbound Wegacy is fowmed >:3.
lusty tiger
Weeb
lusty tiger
Wtb ghash classic meme
lusty grotto
well thats not quite related
ive been a huge no weebs allowed supporter in the past
but i guess im half a weeb since xiv
lusty grotto
you know ive played since ARR and
ive actually never been to one of those clubs
well im a lala, according to my static i couldn't set a foot in anyway lmao
apparently they arent permitted or some shit
lusty tiger
Tbh I don’t know what ARR or lala mean
lusty grotto
you should
lusty tiger
But it is fun calling youwu a weeb
lusty grotto
arent you playing or did you quit
lusty grotto
arr = a realm reborn aka 2.0
lusty tiger
Ahh
lusty grotto
lala = lalafell lol
lusty grotto
yeah but ARR dungeons are such shit
well they are
certainly better now
after the trust/npc rework
can just spam them with trusts and not worry about other people
lusty tiger
Only boring thing is I don’t have my castable holy nova yet
So I kinda zzz after a few dungeons / msq grinding
What are trusts?
I did an npc run and it sucked because I had to pull for the literal bot tank
sick sentinel
im gunna try out 2042
sick sentinel
was a fan of 2142, its on a discou nt
actually true
doom better than them
and im glad u bring it up u just activate my trap card
some random good doom mod
lusty tiger
LMFAO
lusty grotto
I did an npc run and it sucked because I had to pull for the literal bot tank
yeah those are trusts, the npc bots
lusty tiger
I didn’t like it
lusty grotto
if youre whm though you dont need them
lusty grotto
instant queue so whatever
lusty tiger
Yea like 10 seconds
sick sentinel
saying doom is bad is like saying checker is bad
lusty tiger
-_-
strong forum
And my dad will come home any minute now
blazing condor
nah i wont
strong forum
You only know a little
toxic pewter
Called it 😉
strong forum
You and everyone else 👏
toxic pewter
My track record continues
toxic pewter
Rallying cry will be buffed before I leave this earth
dusky canopy
Surely
strong forum
Right
toxic pewter
Why the fuk they giving blood elf’s more appearances
Who is running shit in blizzard
blazing condor
cus ppl play them a lot
toxic pewter
Rich get richer
toxic pewter
I need more Vulpera colors
lusty tiger
Don’t Germans abbreviate blood elf in a weird way
toxic pewter
And stuff
uneven mason
unlike us pandas
Grizzly bear skin for pandaren when?
strong forum
Don’t Germans abbreviate blood elf in a weird way
Belf?
lusty tiger
No i was told it was some play on words
toxic pewter
Honestly all allied races need a lot more customization. They’ve fallen behind
lusty tiger
It’s just like a letter and a number
lusty tiger
Yeah
blazing condor
boo
lusty tiger
Yee
toxic pewter
Do they do that will void elf too or night
strong forum
Fuck if I know
uneven mason
V11
strong forum
Haven't played with Germans in 6 years
strong forum
Or eredar, frostwolf, aegwynn, antonidas
toxic pewter
Really hoping blizzard doesn’t bitch out at blizzcon. Needs to be the boldest most surprising blizzcon in history
blazing condor
you guys dont have nfts?
sick sentinel
no fucking thanks
torn gulch
Really hoping blizzard doesn’t bitch out at blizzcon. Needs to be the boldest mo...
it's not happening
toxic pewter
I think it will
torn gulch
surprise us with what
waxen frigate
many angry frenchies
Hate French
torn gulch
apart from wow the rest of the francises are in the pit
waxen frigate
Bill gates needs to fix WoW
toxic pewter
They will announce 11.0, but I am really hoping they will make a truly bold announcement about the future of wow in the form of a sneak peak so to speak
sick sentinel
my thoughts is it will be more of the same
toxic pewter
They will announce all the anticipated stuff then at the end they will do a “oh one more thing…”
And BAM
SURPRISE something cool
strong forum
They'll go over 10.2 stuff
They'll announce 11.0
They'll go over Warcraft rumble
They'll go over d4 expansion and future season sneak peek
They'll announce 1 or 2 new games/IPs
toxic pewter
Surely they must realize the stakes are greater than to just do the normal stuff
strong forum
sick sentinel
starcraft ghosts
toxic pewter
This is their last chance to win people back
strong forum
It's not
toxic pewter
Well it’s a great time for it
strong forum
They'll still continue like always
toxic pewter
Microsoft, metzen… the future
strong forum
I've thought "surely they know how much is at stake for d4 seasons" before s1 launch
They promised MEATY seasons
toxic pewter
I have hope we will see a true surprise
strong forum
And we got directly dicked
With piss
One of the biggest games in the world
Fucked up beyond believe
toxic pewter
strong forum
Starting from 0
Despite having infinite resources and information on what to do
But they started from 0
Catering to god knows which audience
Not taking inspiration from anything
S2 already also not looking hot
uneven mason
Catering to god knows which audience
People who enjoy balsawood anal beads
D4 was a major step backwards in the arpg space
lusty tiger
People who enjoy balsawood anal beads
how do you know that 0_0
uneven mason
how do you know that 0_0
Twitch
lusty tiger
: D tru
lusty tiger
lusty tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNbF1Z_V_k this shit made me laugh
THIS IS FRIKEN ROUGH
grand veldt
40/40/10/10 <@111542607556939776> <:xan:1094127979703062558>
lmfao you guys would chimp out if you saw my stats
strong forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNbF1Z_V_k this shit made me laugh
Peak example of blizz having no idea what they're doing with d4
Like this is a-tier shitposting Dorn
Whoever made this vid
grand veldt
strong forum
Is insane good at shitposting
lusty grotto
strong forum
just yesterday in twitch chat i was told that buffing 20% bleed dmg by 20% for 2 talent points is better than having ravager
lusty grotto
lmaooooo
jagged pier
who the fuck told u that?
strong forum
and when i told em that you lose 5% dmg, a big chunk of rage gen for 1 talent point through Ravager, to gain 4% dmg output for the cost of 2 talent points through BB
lusty grotto
same kind of people that were talking shit about him on that other disc
lusty grotto
what can you do amirite
pallid quiver
For anything, extremely hard
lusty grotto
sounds like everyone that gets hard stopped by a rational answer
strong forum
then the argument is over
jagged pier
no bro u just dont get it
pallid quiver
Like, before we even get to the math
Twitch chat is somewhere where you can put text
Which you can use to explain complex ideas
Fucking wild and revolutionary
jagged pier
well thats the problem they arent thinking of math they looking a things
strong forum
we're currently experience the DF beta cycle again
people looking at details
"i have a few bleeds showing up here"
"so surely buffing the bleed dmg by 20% is good"
and ignoring everything else
not understanding that you sacrifice 2 talent points to get that
when 1 single talent point in other talents is worth as much as 6% dmg
grand veldt
and when i told em that you lose 5% dmg, a big chunk of rage gen for 1 talent po...
does the bleed come out on top in single target?
grand veldt
that's actually so wild
yeah i thought so
i mean i always try to bring extra adds in bc i play with an arcane mage
strong forum
even when you put as much as you can into bleed dmg
shield slam is still on top
this is what you can expect
pallid quiver
The only time it becomes good is if you either don't press your buttons like most raid tanks or if you're scrounging for every last damage point
strong forum
dmg breakdown to look like
strong forum
The only time it becomes good is if you either don't press your buttons like mos...
which was exactly the case for some of them
they do 80k overall with full bleed talent investment
at the cost of other important talents
so ofc your bleeds will look larger
grand veldt
what about battering ram or blood surge
strong forum
what about em
pallid quiver
Yeah, battering ram's a good one
jagged pier
surely its better than show of force
u have to get to vigor and HR somehow tho
u never take sof and TLs
its one of the other
so moving your 1 talent point from that side is loosing massive value
grand veldt
nah i dont play with blood surge because im a disrupting shout enjoyer
but if i had a full team i'd play sof or TL + bloodsurge
toxic pewter
?
grand veldt
i grab shout bc pugs are horrendous at interrupts/stops in the 24-26 bracket
toxic pewter
?
grand veldt
what are you still stuck on dathea or wat
who are you talking to?
toxic pewter
how many stops u need
grand veldt
a lot if people dont use theirs
i cant count how many times ive saved a key on the 2 adds before the mushroom boss in under rot
toxic pewter
so just wipe it up and move on
toxic pewter
you need to have more faith in your comrades
they see you with your shout and then they are like lmao guess i dont have to kick
you give them a free pass
then they join my group and i gotta deal with these coddled dps
grand veldt
they see you with your shout and then they are like lmao guess i dont have to ki...
youre drunk if you think they have omnicd
median tulip
Disrupting Shout is amazing in the right place. Managing to interrupt three Cloudbursts simultaneously in vortex pinnacle feels good man.
grand veldt
it locks them out for 6 seconds as well
like on vortex the adds
instead of just continuing to chain cast
really helpful on decay speaker + war scourge pulls
toxic pewter
not sure its worth using our tree is so tight as it is
grand veldt
i mean i fully conceded if I was reliably playing with better players, i wouldn't be using it
but as is, it's the end of the season, most the good players already achieved what they wanted
toxic pewter
I mean if you are doing 24s and people arent kicking then something is really off imo
grand veldt
rn it's either waste my own time or pick up the extra slack
i mean its overwhelminlgy common
in corp goes off a few times as well in these runs
25s
26s
not just 24s
you underestimate just how bad it is atm
Deaths from a 25 underrot
26 UR
still plenty of there that could be stopped or interrupted
people just don't or miss it, or overlap
i actually had 4 stacks of taint in my death
lusty grotto
i guess he was just brezzed
and didnt have SB up
cause that melee death would be sus otherwise
im assuming that was the case since he died 2 seconds before
strong forum
its:
- standing in avoidable aoe
- standing in avoidable aoe
- threat
- lack of healing/defensive
- threat due to lack of clearing maggots x5
- tank death
- failed to kick 2 VERY predictable casts
grand veldt
rotten biles can be stunned
like they just didnt stop them
full stop
like they didnt stop them and didnt move
its 2x trash
strong forum
2nd screenshot is:
- standing in poop
- standing in avoidable aoe
- standing in avoidable aoe
- eating boss mechanic
- eating boss mechanic + lack of defensive CD
- eating boss mechanic + lack of defensive CD
- standing in avoidable aoe
- tank death
strong forum
like they just didnt stop them
hence the "avoidable aoe"
lusty grotto
shrug
strong forum
almost all of these deaths are due to lack of awareness
lusty grotto
its a UR, still timeable
grand veldt
most of these players are 3300
chilly brook
grand veldt
theyre not bad by any means overall and even they are playing like dog shit multiple times
strong forum
these are 25 and 26s
reachgin difficulties where people start to actually needing to play mechanics
strong forum
until then you can coast on by
by bruteforcing
but around that level is when people need to start playing the game
lusty grotto
Disrupting Shout is amazing in the right place. Managing to interrupt three Clou...
which you can get by using shockwave or fear
so idk
there's like 0 dungeons this season where disrupting is actually required
uldaman? plenty of LoS corners
strong forum
cloudburst mobs dont recast
lusty grotto
i could see it being useful on RLP and even then i didnt use it
strong forum
and they start casting at ~50% HP
lusty grotto
yea
strong forum
so its entirely predictable when you need to cast shockwave
if singular mobs start casting early
you stormbolt/kick/shield charge
when many cast, you shockwave
pallid quiver
but how can you cast shock wave when you gotta rock the best damage talent, sonic boom?
lusty grotto
strong forum
then pick off singular mobs afterwards if anything hadnt cast yet
its really that simple
you can solo it without picking an extra talent
median tulip
rotten biles can be stunned
Waste of a stun tbh. Just dodge. Stuns there are for the fixating spiders
median tulip
I haven't been running intervene this season
grand veldt
i try to stun frequently
in that place im always tempted to run the cdr on shockwave
lusty grotto
hell no
grand veldt
people are just so fucking bad man
grand veldt
it's genuinely frustrating
grand veldt
i mean fair point but you know what i mean
lusty grotto
besides cdr is just gonna be insta fast DR anyway lmao
strong forum
losing a huge chunk of dmg
just to get an aoe stun a little too often
seems so whack
warm plinth
intervene is there for bloodswarmers
What godlike pugs are you in that people don't run as far away as possible when they get fixated
lusty grotto
🙂
just be fast and run after them
and theyll be like OH IM TAKING 0 DMG
and then intervene runs out and they get fucked in the ass
inland raft
uneven mason
What godlike pugs are you in that people don't run as far away as possible when ...
If fixated -> run face first into boss
Seems to be how pugs are programmed
lusty grotto
the last few URs ive ran for vault ive just chased them, im just done explaining intervene to people
and i shit you not
inland raft
Its the same as if have aggro then run from tank
pallid quiver
I wager it's because they think it's over
uneven mason
95% of the time, they stop when they realize they arent taking dmg
What godlike pugs are you running where they actually look at their health and not details
lusty grotto
ok now im concerned
pallid quiver
Pugs notice the red screen effect
inland raft
Yours looks at their screens at all?
uneven mason
Mine lick monitors
lusty grotto
unga bunga
warm plinth
pallid quiver
The pugs I run into demand complete carries while pushing
feed kitty
feed kitty a whole cow
warm plinth
He's mad at me because I spoiled the shit out of him with food for the first month and now I'm trying to use all the dry food that was given to me
lusty grotto
such a classic
uneven mason
I miss Rick Moranis
lusty grotto
he did what most couldnt do
uneven mason
Dude got out
lusty grotto
ye
uneven mason
He was like "I did a few hits, gonna go fishing, fuck Hollywood."
Actually it's a lot more touching
lusty grotto
last time i think i remember rick moranis was in honey i blew up the kid?
lusty grotto
ye
uneven mason
He's making a sequel to Honey I shrunk the kids, get hype
lusty grotto
🤔
uneven mason
A reboot? What do zoomers call when they remake the same film I watched 30 years ago
(like TMNT)
lusty grotto
i dont even know
i wish they just stopped doing shit like that and worked on original stuff
but i guess theres money in classic reboots/remasters
uneven mason
i wish they just stopped doing shit like that and worked on original stuff
Zoomers come up with original ideas
lusty grotto
yeah well you say that but its boomers that are playing that shit
the only good reboots that i enjoy are total changed ones like idk the RE ones and/or the FF7 shit
that is, that are well done cause there's a few that are horrible
well RE with the exception of RE4, cause i dont think much changed in that one so i skipped it
toxic pewter
i played re4 on gamecube
uneven mason
Tried the RE2 reboot, I legit didn't think you could make re controls more clunky but fuck if they did
toxic pewter
i also enjoyed re code veronica on dreamcast
uneven mason
I had RE2 down to 38minutes
uneven mason
i also enjoyed re code veronica on dreamcast
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