Overwhelmed by adds in what way? Like you didn't kill the prior set before the new set or?
#protection
warm plinth
sweet orchid
The adds come faster as the boss stays up longer. I'm not killing the boss fast enough, and eventually the adds are a non stop stream
modern brook
I feel like you're reading around your answer here
You should be out of pq before a 3rd infernal even spawns
warm plinth
I don't think that's how the adds work...I've had some long ass p1s on some toons and I dont' ever remember them coming faster.
modern brook
Jake did it one cause he's a nutjob
jagged pier
They dont come faster
modern brook
If you're getting more than 2 you're not pumping hard enough
Stay in the shit longer, and hit the rotarion
modern brook
U can do it with 3 i think i did once
Yeah you can but like you shouldn't have to
jagged pier
Lile u cant die ti the cast at 2 stacks
Like u said earlier
I took one at 8
And it did half my hp
sweet orchid
idk whats goin on for me cause if I hit 8-9 stacks his mindblast is a insta kill
If I IP and SW I can survive it
jagged pier
I probably had ip theres no damage in thag phase to take it away
But u said i get oneshot at 2 stacks
🤷
sweet orchid
I've insta died a few times at 2-3 stacks, but I can usually get to around 6 safely. I donno whats going on, the incoming damage feels inconsistant.
modern brook
Logs and vods
warm plinth
sweet orchid
I have neither unfortunately
jagged pier
Okay u can log your future attempts tho
jagged pier
I mean maybe someone with less experience of the challenge gice it ago its a bit scewed me going to do it but meh
jagged pier
Lul
blazing condor
kor'vas carried with the auto attacks
blazing condor
chad
rewatching my MT video i cringe cus my movement was fuckin bad
that was the whole reason i couldnt do it lol
warm plinth
blazing condor
at least im better today 
jagged pier
Are u sure?
blazing condor
well my movement is
warm plinth
Honestly haven't even tried the mage tower since Legion except druid to get fel bear appearance
sweet orchid
My big thing is that I havent tanked in forever. I try and avoid tanking because I was forced to be a tank for years. I'm not good at it any more.
jagged pier
Ah fel bear that was fun
warm plinth
You shouldn't think of it as a tanking fight to be honest. It's just doing damage and happening to be in a tank spec.
jagged pier
'YOU NEED BIS GEAR TO DO IT' well my bear still in herlooms did it before nerf
warm plinth
The closest you come to tanking is thunder clapping adds that are beating on Velen, but since you have to kill them anyway 🤷
jagged pier
Its doing dps yer
No the closest is surviving annhilate
But the boss should die begore thats even an issue now
warm plinth
Yeah but you don't even need a CD until like...the third one or something on prot right lol
sweet orchid
I'm doing as much damage as I can, but it's just not enough. Did you have to use drums?
warm plinth
I didn't use any consumables on my bear except the uh
blazing condor
its not the drums
jagged pier
But hinestly just light and stormbolt to prolong annhilate cast thats what i do
jagged pier
Im saying it right now u arent playing the spec coreectly if u arent doing the damage
Like its literally play spec correctly boss dies
warm plinth
I think if you really want it, you're just gonna have to figure out what you're doing wrong and get better. Beating your head against it doing the same thing every time is not going to be fun
sweet orchid
yeah
warm plinth
And as it stands, if you're not even getting out of p1, then p2 is going to be a huge wake up call because that's definitely the more challenging part of the fight
jagged pier
I mean if u beating your head against for 6 hours im suprised u didnt log or record to see whats going wrong
Its the only way u can tell
sweet orchid
I rolled the arms challenge, and the fury challenge, and the healer challenge. This one is just stomping me. I'm doing something wrong, but I dont know what.
warm plinth
Yeah p2 you get shoved around and shit which is annoying
blazing condor
I rolled the arms challenge, and the fury challenge, and the healer challenge. T...
well then you should log/record
jagged pier
Just walk through the beams
warm plinth
Yeah, highly suggest logging and/or recording
blazing condor
dont u have a DF vid for mage tower jakey
jagged pier
Oh fuck i do have one lool that will he from a wwhile ago
blazing condor
yea 8 months
jagged pier
Eh at least ppl can say i didnt use beacon and anvil even tho they both did like nothing
sweet orchid
maybe helps
I'll study this.
jagged pier
storm eaters boon big tho
Ye but like i use the gear i have equiped like today i just went in with m+ talents
Should have SD instead of sof and stuff but eh
jagged pier
Each iteration its gotten easier
blazing condor
i didnt play legion at all
jagged pier
F
blazing condor
honestly
jagged pier
No cool mogs
blazing condor
missed out
blazing condor
just graduated high school and got to play BFA for like 6 months while doing nothing lol
jagged pier
Classic launch finished uni and didnt get a job for 7 months
blazing condor
chad
jagged pier
I told my parent it was because i was getting no interest 🤫
blazing condor
now im kinda in the same boat cus i graduated college in summer but didnt start playing until early september
too bad there's no launch and the patch is almost over so game dead
blazing condor
surely the patch will give me the same sense of joy as the game did when i was a kid
jagged pier
Lul
I could have dps'd next tier and i said no
Would have ment recuriting 2 new tanks tho so thats like a massive no no
And well prot looks the best out of all the warrior spec
blazing condor
kek
tanking is comfy
also if you give up ur tanking spot its a bit of a struggle to get it back
jagged pier
Well as an officer said if we could give the leggo to one person u would be first in line if u were dps
jagged pier
also if you give up ur tanking spot its a bit of a struggle to get it back
Trust in my guild no they would drop a tank if i said i wanted back in
blazing condor
damn
jagged pier
Well i guess depend how godd a dps i was
rich wyvern
We have a “this guy is leagues ahead of everyone on dps” guy in our guild - shame that he’s also the only dps that can flex to heal/tank and be decent at it
blazing condor
hold onto him
morale killer to lose
i kinda miss raiding but mostly cus i really miss the guild i was in
we had a lot of fun
even if we didnt do any CE
its either get CE with an annoying guild or have hella fun but only get AoTC
rich wyvern
hold onto him
Oh no he’s my best friend in the guild dw
If he goes I’m going with him lmao
rich wyvern
its either get CE with an annoying guild or have hella fun but only get AoTC
Sounds like you should change your name to “a dog who knows a lot” cos that’s the truest statement I’ve heard in a while
rich wyvern
Either you’re in the type of guild that wipes to someone saying something really fuckin funny and making everyone lose their shit, or you prog mythic. Can’t choose both
blazing condor
at least thats my experience
rich wyvern
Guild is currently the “AotC and have fun” type, but me + the chad dps + our resto Druid (also goated) all have the guilds blessing to go do some mythic prog with random guilds after curve on a given tier
rich wyvern
Means that we prog kinda slow, but it’s fun prog
blazing condor
the guild i was in tried to prog mythic but if youre in a more casual guild that shit is hell
rich wyvern
Oh absolutely
There are some ppl in guild that i absolutely would never take into mythic
blazing condor
its just frustrating
rich wyvern
Ye
blazing condor
8 months in and youre like 5/10m
rich wyvern
Knowing that you’re doing completely fine in your role & if everyone was at that baseline you’d have killed the boss 70 pulls ago
blazing condor
yep 
rich wyvern
No point spending your time on pushing mythic with a casual guild cos it’ll just make you jaded towards deece ppl who are bad at wow
rich wyvern
Aye
I’m not playing wow to have a second job so
I’d never get into a “good” mythic guild if I tried, nor would I want to
blazing condor
nowdays i dont want to
dont wanna give up 3 nights of the week
to play video games
when i could be doing other things
jagged gust
When I was like 17? That shit sounds like heaven
What do I do? Oh honey, I'm a Professional Gamer. 😎
blazing condor
theres a line somewhere where wasting your life playing video games all day stops being epic
jagged gust
It's that point where you realize "Oh shit, my time is worth something"
winter marlin
that was some real shit reading y'alls convo
quit the game when i was 17 for every reason above, right as they were nerfing sunwell. pre-nerf muru was breaking us and i was about to go to college
returned in classic what, 12 years later
wondering the same shit now that i was back then...this thing is interesting for a video game man
i think this game's dangerous for us adhd folks, its hard to see though as we're the audience..anyway, off to sleep for a few hours before work
lone wren
LFR as solo tnk is hard
Details!: Damage Taken for Magmorax (5 previous fights) [3:45 EF]
- Wør ................ 18.45M (30.9%)
- Kraption ........ 2.99M (5.0%)
- Burby ............. 2.95M (4.9%)
- Yesmonlok .... 2.34M (3.9%)
- Nightlesh ...... 2.24M (3.7%)
dalso averaged around 40k dps magma and sarkaeth
shield slam was 20% beacon 11% , execute 9%, weapon attack 9% devastaor and rend 7% each
winter marlin
i don't like beacon in relation to skill, esp so in regards to prot warriors. mastery is a questionable secondary for prot war & it made up over 50% of your dps cited there
i enjoy it on my alts when they get it early cause it way overinflates their dps on some fights (experiments especially is prone to this), been debating using it on my bear druid in mt role as i've been told its bis for snap aggro, but when i'm playing well & in my flow i don't lose aggro without it so why would i equip it
i prefer anvil/mark on bear with prophetic scales to swap out for defensive use, and i'd do the same if my war had mark or proph. war runs anvil / oce
consistent
rich wyvern
i don't like beacon in relation to skill, esp so in regards to prot warriors. ma...
50%?? He said beacon did 11%
But ye beacon is a silly trinket
Just like how windscar whetstone was last season
I’m sure there’ll be something comparable next season too
winter marlin
as a skill it made up over 50%
winter marlin
say you did 1m dmg, your first skill was ss at 20% or 200k, 2nd was beacon at 11% or 110k, it did half the lifting
i'm prolly being dumb or overly analytical tbh
rich wyvern
Oh you just mean “it was 50% of your biggest damage contributing abilities’ damage”
Ye idt that’s a good metric
rich wyvern
Some specs will do 100k dps with 20 different abilities in their breakdown, some will do it with 5
Beacon isn’t inherently more busted on one vs the other, but by the metric of “what was its damage in relation to your biggest damage ability” then it’ll be much higher up for the 20-ability spec than for the 5
Better to just gauge it as the % of your overall damage - which it’s still insane on at 11%
winter marlin
its just so fight / time dependent. i thought one of our recruits was doing really well til one of our officers pointed out that was only on roughly 3 minute fights, i don't really analyze others logs these days so it wasn't as obvious
rich wyvern
Mm
winter marlin
with tanks especially i want to be consistent all of the time, but that's personal prolly
rich wyvern
I mean - if he’s consistently doing well then that’s kinda… fine
winter marlin
for me tanking i want same dps if it were a 30s fight as if it were a 300s fight
rich wyvern
I mean, that’s never gonna happen unless they remove avatar/shield charge/roar etc
There will always be fights where your dps goes up/down by some amount if the fight was 10 seconds longer
Beacon definitely skews that, and is an extreme case - I agree
winter marlin
well yeah but those are consistently comparable at least, i think if you're trying to analyze yourself or self-improve beacon or tools like it will only be a detriment. like look how well i was doing, well remove that thing and now look
yeah. beacons good in its own right, and prolly does have more than niche cases to run it for honestly, but for my own improvement i'd disregard it from any records because its kind of an anomaly in relation to what you're doing
bleak breach
okay guys, i will admit adding in more revenges did bump up my numbers a bit haha
a bit of good rng too, but definite some added bonuses.
got some monster pulls which surprised me.
sadly guild has stopped doing mythic to test changes there.
blazing condor
whats up with blizzard ticket times nowdays
havent made a ticket in years but last time i did it took me like at most 12 hours to get a response
but now im 2 and a half days in
jagged pier
They fired most of those staff
uneven mason
but now im 2 and a half days in
When all of your CS people are remote and you issue a order to return to office, you lose 100% of them
uneven mason
Because they can sign up with another company that isn't run by a $hit Bag
can the auto mod make up its mind
uneven mason
it's a dyslexic speak and spell that only attacks compound words
olive gust
on retail Live, where should my revenge be on the dmg meters in +20-24 keys? I feel like I use rage on ignore pain and whiff a lot of my free revenges
it was only 3.7% of my dmg in nelth. think im trash
uneven mason
those of us who play BDK as well, how do I deal with being slower than taking a shit after an all you can eat peanutbutter buffet
blazing condor
on retail Live, where should my revenge be on the dmg meters in +20-24 keys? I f...
You can go to wclogs and sort by damage for those key levels and compare
dusky canopy
Easy I just stop dealing with being a slow bdk
blazing condor
on retail Live, where should my revenge be on the dmg meters in +20-24 keys? I f...
i compared a little and seems to be between 6-8%
sick sentinel
You can go to wclogs and sort by damage for those key levels and compare
this + sim yo self + compare after attempting
lusty tiger
Gm
blazing condor
m
hardy snow
Ive got it
zenith vine
what the hell is even that
dusky canopy
Function > form
lusty tiger
That thing is sick
gloomy vortex
Progressing Magma tonight, any prot warriors suggestions for this boss? Must take talents
waxen frigate
this is so yogicore it's insane
waxen frigate
Progressing Magma tonight, any prot warriors suggestions for this boss? Must tak...
it doesnt really do much to tanks, prot is probably the worst tank for it
theres a lot of magic rot
save big CDs for emergency soaks
you should have spell reflect for every single tankbuster
(cant reflect it but the DR is nice)
sick sentinel
850 im soryi could buy that 4070 i want, for 850
blazing condor
pinchamp
strong forum
put it into the old pin at the bottom
blazing condor
yeah but feel like we TC every other gcd
blazing condor
strong forum
this is a basic reminder to immediately press TC after SS
blazing condor
im not bashing it
strong forum
cuz i see pretty much EVERY streamer on PTR currently not doing it
blazing condor
its good 
strong forum
or even tracking tierset at all
so i made this quickly for andy
cuz he wasnt playing around tierset often times not sending TC immediately after SS
gloomy vortex
it doesnt really do much to tanks, prot is probably the worst tank for it
Thanks, so no suggested talent changes from standard raid?
novel temple
Hmm
waxen frigate
gm nomer
novel temple
If we get fated raids again, think we’ll mix and match the tiers?
waxen frigate
not necessarily for prot but that's an interesting thought for other tanks
like vdh
it's reasonable to assume their tier will be gutted when 10.2 comes out
so i wonder if for 10.3/10.2.7 fated, it would be restored
grand veldt
this is a basic reminder to immediately press TC after SS
Dont worry boys I already have 52 chromosomes and only use revenge on free procs and to apply deep wounds
grand veldt
so i wonder if for 10.3/10.2.7 fated, it would be restored
What happened with tier sets during last fated?
strong forum
you just had em at higher ilvl
strong forum
and there was only 1 tierset in SL ye
grand veldt
Yeah I was curious if all of them scaled
waxen frigate
bdks were gonna get nerfed but cried so incredibly hard they didnt
grand veldt
I got a macro for shield slam that'll let you hit shit close to you if something's out of range or your not facing it properly
Idk if that helps for the new tier set but it helps me with not having to tab target on skitters
cerulean tusk
BDKs got 100% uptime on DRW again? If they don't, they probably won't need a nerf
strong forum
well its better than not hitting shield slam
gloomy vortex
it has a phys and magic component
Oh really, good to know thanks
toxic pewter
ngl the new changes to VDH, I see VDH will be meta in 10.2, even if I said bdk with legendary will be meta
they bring so much more utility and just all around they got a lot
opaque quest
Whoever does the most dmg will be meta and final tuning hasnt happened yet
toxic pewter
i foresee vdh will be the meta tank
they gained so much survivability, they have a button to press for every situation, double charges to sigils, historically they always do good damage
they are the complete package now with their updates they got
actually cringe how much they got coming in 10.2
meanwhile we are nerfed with zero compensation
toxic pewter
yes
strong forum
calm down with the dooming
toxic pewter
its like I look at darkness party buff, double sigil alone is wild to me
karmic plinth
huffing copium for rallying party buff
opaque quest
It took 2 messages for apb to go back to rally dooming
wind oak
when you play prot why would you care about the meta ?
being tank is insta invite to group
opaque quest
Its not
toxic pewter
I have had to wait hours to get into groups (I only pug)
opaque quest
When Bear was Goated during exodia it took me 3 hours to get into a 20+ key on my 3k warr
Right now its a 20 mins timer
Unless youre spamming 11s youre not being insta invited unless youre the meta tank
daring marlin
being tank is insta invite to group
swap tank for healer and you're correct
opaque quest
^this
wind oak
you guys must not know how to apply to group then
toxic pewter
good news is prot warr is next in like for tank rework
daring marlin
Ppaww confirming his brain doesn't work
opaque quest
Ah yes. 99/100 ppl are the problem. God forbid its the 1/100 guy having a different experience
daring marlin
hilarious tbh
toxic pewter
I mean 20 sure.. but when i was doing 23s I wont lie, it would take a long time to get invited
karmic plinth
good news is prot warr is next in like for tank rework
honestly wouldnt be surprised if bdk beat us to it
toxic pewter
and 23 isnt even that high
opaque quest
20+ is 21 and higher. 23 was a pain to get into
It got so bad that i had my friend log in and search for me while he chilled on facebook becvause i couldnt take it anymore
toxic pewter
honestly wouldnt be surprised if bdk beat us to it
Yeah I was about to say us or bdk I agree
daring marlin
honestly wouldnt be surprised if bdk beat us to it
I wouldn't either considering their tree is a fucking joke
toxic pewter
yeah I guess bdk getting rework does make more sense. I cannot deny our trees are considered pretty solid trees
I just find prot warr gameplay to be a bit dated at this point personally
opaque quest
All i want is red thirst being way lower on the tree
So i can have 2 points in offensive builds
hardy snow
I got a macro for shield slam that'll let you hit shit close to you if something...
what is this macro?
grand veldt
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cleartarget
/startattack
/cast Shield Slam
/targetlasttarget
ember tangle
can sark breath tanks in p1?
jagged pier
No
ember tangle
ty
warm plinth
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cleartarget
/startattack
/cast Shield Slam
/targetlast...
Great for BDK too for Death Strike
warm plinth
I have one too I use it for the mog though
blazing condor
yeah its better than the TBC model
pallid quiver
yeah but it has funny easter egg if you're an orc
pallid quiver
Skill issue
blazing condor
question mark emoji
pallid quiver
Should have picked better during character creation smh
warm plinth
yeah but it has funny easter egg if you're an orc
Does it?
pallid quiver
You also have to be part of a specific clan
Should be Warsong Clan
So you need to do the heritage quest, too
novel temple
Maybe we’ll finally be able to use 2H weapons as prot 🥴
Then all warriors can get the legendary 2h
pallid quiver
Won't be in time for the leggo if it does come
lusty grotto
blazing condor
damn deios hurts
pallid quiver
Everytime I see Deios, I get confused
Smh he should have just died in Uldaman so we wouldn't have this issue
toxic pewter
I know a lot of people dont play with in game sound but the 10.2 tier sound they added to the shield slam effect is kind of cool lol
toxic pewter
I am just surprised they added a sound to our effect
kind of cool they did it its subtly helpful for me who plays with sound
orchid mural
i cant play monk or bear because of the sounds. Monk sounds so ... .swishy and tea-drinking, and bear just has the same sound it seems.
toxic pewter
fair enough, I respect no sound players I guess, but I cannot imagine playing without them. Add a layer of depth to the game I enjoy
its like watching a movie with no sound.. still strange and weird to me that people prefer it
normal rampart
In game sound is the reason I don't like BDK
That’s a great description
trim condor
is there any special trick for treemouth consumption or I need to switch with others in group to survive?
warm plinth
You generally alternate with someone else
lusty grotto
have a pally do it
goes in, bubbles after eaten
or use a weyrnstone aug
to port out using it
ez
trim condor
My friend plays aug with me. But we started gearing, so I dont its worth to talent weystones around 20 keys
blazing condor
yeah u cant take all yourself
ive never had to take more than 2 in a row though
usually people know to go in
or you can just not go in if you got 2 stacks
and yolo
lusty grotto
all he has to do is swap font of magic for it
if he has the standard key build
but yeah if youre starting out then i guess its better to do it normally
trim condor
what about priest grip? I heard druids charge to ally works
blazing condor
haven't done sark much tbh
and every time ive just been in raid lol
but realise now that maybe the tank debuff gotta explode down under
blazing condor
yeah i realise its bad but felt like its been fine
cus ive killed sark a buncha times like that
but then i know
lusty grotto
yea
but just do what i did when i ran it
let the other tank grab sark first
he gets slashed
he goes down, you just stay up for uptime unless you want some haste stacks its nbd
warm plinth
Yeah I basically would just go down, get my haste and go back up and it would be time to taunt
blazing condor
im still bad with positioning as well
feels clunky
first ascension and shit
ppl always do it differently
lusty grotto
i just liked to cheese it by having the other tank get fucked by slash
as soon as he comes out i just grab a swirl and it insta swaps, grabbed a few stacks and got the fuck out asap lol
so he gets slashed again
and i get a few stacks of haste in between
lusty grotto
grand veldt
Great for BDK too for Death Strike <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
Yeah I tried to offer it to their discord
they literally didn't believe me and chimped out
it's actually so funny
blazing condor
lusty tiger
True and real
strong forum
based
also it came from pvp from WAY BACK in OG idk Vanilla/TBC
or whenver someone had the ending of "qt"
was also a pvp thing
opaque quest
I have a friend on Frostwolf thats to lazy to change his name so all his chars end in QT. Everytime we play together i act like i dont know him
Balls of steel to run around with a name like that
blazing condor
qtgodx when
trim condor
Is warrior just really durable or easy to play? I am juggling between Brewmaster/prot war and I am playing more brew, but I feel a lot safer on warrior. On monk, my hp are like rollercoaster
blazing condor
warrior is really fine to play rn
not that hard anymore
has a smooth damage intake and p good damage
trim condor
I see. Only thing I have problem, is mostly bleed (which is problem on brew aswell, but you can go from 10% to 100% hp with orbs)
blazing condor
Yeah bleeds/magic damage is our weakness
but nothing that makes playing the class "too hard"
opaque quest
How is bleed on brew a problem when expel harm exists
trim condor
magic feels alright, beside some exceptions. For example dragons in Infusion, even with stacked IP or some reduction, still hits like a truck, I need to jump away. On monk, I could just stack big absorb or use healing on low hp
opaque quest
magic feels alright, beside some exceptions. For example dragons in Infusion, ev...
Impending victory solves oceanic breath
blazing condor
you have good tools against dragon breath
trim condor
How is bleed on brew a problem when expel harm exists
5 sec cd, beside expel harm does nothing without ox globules
blazing condor
impending victory / shield wall / last stand / spell reflect
and just have some IP rolling
makes it easy
trim condor
oh really? I stacked IP in pretty low key, used spell reflect, used victory and still got left with red screen
blazing condor
should only really be an issue on higher fort weeks
and even then its p fine
but also
you got casters in those packs
doing ice shards and shit
so if stuff isn't getting CCd its obviously gonna hurt
trim condor
yeah, I cant really tell if they were dead or not yet. But I think we had them sorted during breath
We had mage+ aug in group, so control was pretty good
blazing condor
idk all i'll say is that i save defensives for those packs
and use defensives
including def stance if needed
but its not an issue
its very livable
trim condor
alright, thanks for the info!
Yeah, I am using def stance on packs where I am not sure about survival
opaque quest
Youre also not alone. Yell for an external if you need one
trim condor
Youre also not alone. Yell for an external if you need one
oh yeah, totally forgetting about healers externals, thanks
btw, are you using full offensive trinkets in keys or one ofensive, one defensive?
trim condor
I will try spam lair for mark.
So far using these just for ilvl
But they are pretty useless, didnt press hp one once
opaque quest
Doing the same rn. Mark is just to good
If you want cheath death you can also spam dawn HC. Lower ilvl but works the same
trim condor
Yeah, I farmed it on my monk, so kinda burned out from lair, but maybe I will do it, to spend some time before new patch.
Not sure, its good for prot warrior? Never had cheath death on any tank, but could feel good, to be more aggresive with some pulls
opaque quest
I adore my cheat death on warr. Havent done any push without it unless like i said tyrannical
Gonna get it on monk too but zero chance
waxen frigate
real
waxen frigate
Yeah, I farmed it on my monk, so kinda burned out from lair, but maybe I will do...
the usefulness of a cheat death is pretty much the same on most tanks
but the haste is very nice for warr, moreso than brew
opaque quest
Ye not using it for haste on brew
But because i tend to pull 6 packs then realize i cant tank 6 packs
waxen frigate
yeah thats the point of a cheat death
warm plinth
4k warriors don't need cheat deaths
opaque quest
Im a german. Its called precision
boreal heath
That 1 io is super hard to get, he'd have to starve for 3 weeks and not sleep
warm plinth
And not be shit at his spec ofc
trim condor
Ye not using it for haste on brew
I die more on prot war than on my brew, but I am playing brew since bfa and prot only in DF. But I am used to heal bleed screw ups on my brew or other screw ups and cant do that on prot war haha
waxen frigate
Bc he's not even good enough to get 4k
real
trim condor
I think I will farm the cheath death trinket aswell, seems like little offensive aswell. Do big pull, proc cheat death, free PI on me
lusty grotto
trim condor
was joke
waxen frigate
I think I will farm the cheath death trinket aswell, seems like little offensive...
based
trim condor
althought, 8 min cd PI
boreal heath
I think I will farm the cheath death trinket aswell, seems like little offensive...
What do you do after cheat
trim condor
What do you do after cheat
hearthstone
boreal heath
give tanks misdirect
opaque quest
I need to pray too now. 424 doing 20 FH
Thank god its a tyra week
We got disc and aug. Will be easy
trim condor
I need to pray too now. 424 doing 20 FH
did that 1 hour ago on 421, its pretty good on tyra. Only struggle for me is first pull after start of key.
opaque quest
sick sentinel
i wonder if they will add a rat race some day
opaque quest
did that 1 hour ago on 421, its pretty good on tyra. Only struggle for me is fir...
On Warr or Monk?
lusty tiger
i wonder if they will add a rat race some day
lusty tiger
In dalaran2 when patch 11.0 releases??
opaque quest
Yogi delete that. Then have a giant think. Then build a full sentence
trim condor
On Warr or Monk?
on warr, but I think I did it on my monk on start of the week aswell, but monk is more geared
lusty tiger
And I can play a shaman tank
opaque quest
And I can play a shaman tank
Rockbiter weapon go brr
lusty tiger
💯
lusty grotto
i mean its technically dalaran 3.0
sick sentinel
i will explain why
opaque quest
Khadgar is in Dalaran 69 with the bloodelf chick from OG
sick sentinel
game i played as kid, tried playing it recently, its a mythic raid with hard core enabled
lusty tiger
i mean its technically dalaran 3.0
💯
sick sentinel
pretty sure hes a rat
opaque quest
Its top secret Pentagon data from 1420
lusty tiger
I’m surprised it’s not in black and white
sick sentinel
and then this movie
cuz they way the dragon players are drawn, this expansion sort of reminds me of this old movie secret of nimh
lusty tiger
Sorta
sick sentinel
to me, besides mecha-whatevers, thats about the only race wow hasn't fully explored
lusty tiger
Wb vulpera
sick sentinel
is a furry thing, i mean, not hard to say thats part of the demographic
i watched alot of really weird shitty movies when i was a child
sick sentinel
no, but yogi is bear, it's been lumped in in the past
lusty tiger
🤔
sick sentinel
i thought about change name from yogi, but it stuck
lusty tiger
Yogi u should watch beastars
sick sentinel
morshu stuck too,
oh god, all i can think of now is that flash anime with the rabbit and cat i think, rabbit follows cat everywhere (after i googled this beastars thing)
lusty tiger
Rekt
trim condor
Mmm
sick sentinel
lusty tiger
💯
strong forum
prot doing prot things i see
sick sentinel
ill be honest im just doing 4 x rubeis for weekly
sick sentinel
me playing and then talking about pwar = ? i say im going to run a key > play the key > something exciting or bad happened > post logs if its bad > get told ss more ip less sb more
or, kick more things
its a conversation thats run its coruse by now and the message has been recieved
lucid holly
@strong forum Has anyone made a spell reflect list for new dungeons btw?
blissful iris
its in pins .. its updated
lusty grotto
yeah sense has been updating it with PTR info
silk kiln
How can we suggest edits
lusty grotto
you need logs
silk kiln
Ah gotcha
silk kiln
Nah I wasn’t logging
In everbloom I reflected “choking vines”
The 10s channel that stuns target
bleak breach
Do most of you guys play M+ or raid too? I understand raid season is kinda dying off until 10.2
lusty grotto
The 10s channel that stuns target
get some log info if you can
lusty grotto
Do most of you guys play M+ or raid too? I understand raid season is kinda dying...
most of us do both, what gives you that idea
bleak breach
Was just asking the question is all
Thinking this build will be really nice with new tier
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkBVUQpRQVBBNVUVE...
why would you get barbaric training
check the pins we have updated builds
sick sentinel
2/2 bb
strong forum
It's Max dmg raid build so yeah not out of the question
bleak breach
check the pins we have updated builds
Yeah I know, just something different.
sick sentinel
i don't think we take bb in next patch right
urban portal
barb training can be real
bleak breach
Will do big pew pew
urban portal
isnt next patch a LOT of TC and SS
lusty grotto
for RAIDS?
sick sentinel
is that for raid or would it apply in keys i wonder
lusty grotto
why would you want more damage on revenge for ST lmao
bleak breach
What else would you take instead?
lusty grotto
check the pins
bleak breach
I have, just showing a different option.
lusty grotto
lol okay
bleak breach
I don’t see the drama in it?
strong forum
You want to pump as much rage as possible into IP next tier in ST
urban portal
why IP specifically
strong forum
So playing BT is anti synergistic
urban portal
didnt know
strong forum
Cuz IP proc rate of tierset is 90%
urban portal
ah
lusty grotto
bear players betting on revenge
urban portal
so IP just procs it harder
strong forum
Revenge proc rate of tierset is 15%
lusty grotto
thinking its raze
strong forum
So yeah
urban portal
that sounds buggy as hell
bleak breach
I don’t play bear
urban portal
but im not the one to complain
bleak breach
I only play PWar
strong forum
that sounds buggy as hell
It's hardcoded
hardy snow
Revenge proc rate of tierset is 15%
isnt proc rate higher with BT due to more rage used?
urban portal
youd think all rage is equal
urban portal
the fk is this implementation
hardy snow
oh, so tooltip is bullshit
urban portal
ok interesting
hardy snow
typical Blizz 
strong forum
Regardless of what the tooltip says
urban portal
ok no way we wouldve known that
hardy snow
its also 15% for execute?
bleak breach
why would you get barbaric training
I’ve even got BT this tier lol. Dunno why, just do. Works fine for me
strong forum
It's literally hardcoded into the spells, regardless of how much rage they cost
urban portal
so you can proc tier essentially every IP?
urban portal
ok time for the macro
strong forum
That's why spending rage on anything but IP becomes alot less attractive next patch
You still spend it on revenge, but purely just to apply deep wounds in aoe and to reset SS
sick sentinel
hot take: the current talents are extemely good, but some of the "nobody would ever take this anyways" stuff should be in viable locations (connects to at least 1 other node)
like beserker rage
and that side of the tier 1/2 talents
those should be base line
strong forum
I'll put it into the APL for T31 aswell, basically anytime SS is ready and you have over 70 rage
You press IP
100% of the time
bleak breach
That’s generally what I do anyway haah
strong forum
Well yeah
But this line specifically
Was a 1.4k dps increase
Just this 1 Parameter specifically
Funnily enough, it's only a gain at over 70 rage
bleak breach
Interesting
strong forum
If you do it at 60 rage it's a 5k dps loss
hardy snow
You press IP
Havent we already did that with so much rage rdy?
strong forum
Yes
Pretty much
That's why I basically don't have to touch APL
To game the tierset
hardy snow
If you do it at 60 rage it's a 5k dps loss
but why?
strong forum
It was already in place
hardy snow
and whats proc chance when using shield block?
strong forum
At that point you'd oversend IP and underspend revenge
strong forum
and whats proc chance when using shield block?
Also 15%
hardy snow
im afraid they will nerf proc rate on IP if they will want to hurt us 
strong forum
IP = 90% chance
Any other spender = 15% chance
Slam/WW = 0% chance
hardy snow
Blizzard wouldnt be Blizzard if they dont do such fked up thing 
bleak breach
I mean it’s not horrible, we press IP a lot anyway. Not like it’s a huge change to us
strong forum
But this tierset basically reinforces proper play this way
It's a positive reinforcement bias from pressing IP
To get tierset procs
I see no harm in it
hardy snow
But this tierset basically reinforces proper play this way
trust me, there will bo tons of "why i dont have rage?!?!?!?!?!!!" questions, because people overspend on IP :v
opaque quest
Remove IP and give me revenge off GCD
hardy snow
I mean, they are still there, but I think it will be more
strong forum
Give me focused rage
Nah I don't think so
Cuz I can bet you
Not alot of people on ptr currently
Even track tierset
Let alone know what procs it
They just mash buttons and stuff happens "randomly"
hardy snow
yea, but if they will read that IP have 90% chance to proc tier, they will start overuse it
strong forum
A recent YouTube video of somebody going over pwar said "tierset procs are quite rng, that's why my dmg output on these 2 ST fights looks different"
When it takes literally just a few minutes to realise how tierset works if you actually try
hardy snow
ahh right, oracle of youtubers 🤦♂️
strong forum
Just use it baseline
hardy snow
its in the pins
hardy snow
I like that macro, it quite helped me to use more shield slams
urban portal
got it
strong forum
Im just mad i didn't come up with this macro sooner
Cuz it's so obvious
I also put the T31 tierset tracker into the pins BTW
Cuz guaranteed you won't play properly around it if you don't use a tracker like that
lusty grotto
nice nice
hardy snow
im too lazy to track it, gonna shielslam all the time anyway :p
strong forum
Suit yourself
hardy snow
btw. how it looks for vers vs crit now?
hardy snow
Suit yourself
I know its useful especially in keys, to ensure you use it on mob that have all bleeds in pack, but Im not great M+ pusher, and in raid that shouldnt be big issue anyway
strong forum
btw. how it looks for vers vs crit now?
Back to normal
Tierset behaves entirely normal now with stats
strong forum
I know its useful especially in keys, to ensure you use it on mob that have all ...
It's better in ST aswell
hardy snow
and increase of basic value of dots isnt worth it?
strong forum
I gave the tracker to Andy today and his ST dmg increased by 20%
Cuz he wasn't playing around tierset at all
strong forum
That's not the point
The point is to be fully aware that by the next Ss cast, your TC gets reset
So you are aware that you press SS TC
Despite TC not being ready again
It also reminds you to press TC immediately to reapply rend again
hardy snow
oh, ok, didnt thought about TC
sick sentinel
Yeah, ABC
Always
Be
Clappin' (cheeks)
hazy bronze
Clap n slap 
hardy snow
Regardless of avatar
thats good, I like it when during avatar I can just spam SS->TC->SS->TC 😄
strong forum
The tracker is that WA yeah?
Yes
bleak breach
Also back to the topic old mate was yelling at me about, what is the actual issue with taking barbaric training?
strong forum
You increase the rage cost
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
strong forum
Of a spell that is meant to be used to reset shield slam
lusty grotto
check this out
hardy snow
more cost = less revenges = less slam resets
strong forum
You don't want to play BT cuz it eats potential rage used for IP
hardy snow
and dmg increase doesnt compensate that
bleak breach
Okie dokie
Was just checking as I’ve always taken it, old mate was just being a dick rather then trying to help at all.
strong forum
Old people tend to be that way
lusty grotto
how dare you
strong forum
lusty grotto
bleak breach
I’ve always taken it and had no dramas at all, will try without and see if I get a ST increase
lusty grotto
and just like that i realized why ghash had his barbaric training is ass nickname
strong forum
Most of the time when people complained or felt uncomfortable about their rage economy
BT was a huge culprit
You'll quickly find yourself pressing alot more IP
And generally experience a smoother rotation when revenge only costs 20 rage
hardy snow
btw. what was the macro command to throw ravager under myself?
strong forum
/cast [@player] Ravager
I personally don't recommend using that however
As its a good button to throw ahead of time
Instead of when you're already inside the pack
But that's a personal thing
hardy snow
I know, but I think I will try using it in raid for more comfortable usage
normal rampart
Yea I just have two ravager buttons, one for location, one @ me
bleak breach
@strong forum thanks mate
My numbers I would say are fine with BT, I’ll try my next raid without it. Nice to get an actual explanation instead of the usual response from others if they don’t like something.
lusty grotto
you didnt provide an explanation when i asked why youre taking BT either, so it goes both ways
pot calling the kettle black
bleak breach
I asked what else to take instead, could’ve just gave an explanation as to why not to.
I said nothing rude to you and still get the above response.
lusty grotto
you could have said why youre taking it
if youre not gonna go the extra mile, why should i
either you meet me halfway or i'm just gonna enjoy the free real estate in your head that your bitching is providing me
lusty grotto
no reason
guy throws shade 4 times in a row
bleak breach
If you think it’s wrong, just provide a suggestion and help out. No need to attack people.
bleak breach
What shade have I thrown? Pointed out the guy being a dick because I took a different talent?
waxen frigate
pickle rick!
median tulip
The information that the proc rate is hard coded to the abilities is interesting and useful to know
waxen frigate
Update: I'm hearing reports from several sources that this is in fact not pickle rick. Stand by.
median tulip
What's the proc rate on IV for the next tier?
urban portal
Probably 15%
boreal heath
Update: I'm hearing reports from several sources that this is in fact not pickle...
I heard you're giving away free gold and money
lusty grotto
yo nish, its me ur cousin
pallid quiver
don't answer, he wants to go bowling
boreal heath
He said only until he hits 4k
boreal heath
In theory he could hit it within an hour
next copper
Hmmm.
bleak breach
Will be intriguing to see what embellishments we run next tier with the nerfs to current ones.
frozen rose
how do yall approach fights where lust is like minute 1 in a fight, from a damage stand point? hold all 2 min cdz including pot and hit it at minute 1? or too much of a loss to hold that long
pallid quiver
I mean
lust lasts for 40 seconds
So if you're sending everything on CD and it shows up a min into the fight,
You'll still get most everything under lust
bleak breach
how do yall approach fights where lust is like minute 1 in a fight, from a damag...
I just approach as normal, as what @pallid quiver most of our stuff is back and for prot war avatar is up all the time, the rest will be up somewhere there.
Could maybe hold your pot if you like, but I don’t normally worry about it.
frozen rose
ok thx. i also was keeping this in mind with other tanks as well. just in general how most dps would approach that
frozen rose
we do experiments that way. for some reason
bleak breach
If you’re holding beacon until that part you will miss out on uses of it overall. But in hardcore prog there may comes times where you do need to hold cds and trinkets, your raid leads will generally tell you.
frozen rose
ya lol
bleak breach
^
lusty grotto
i send it on my war, and i send it on my ret on opener, they are up for lust
and yes hold pot for lust
frozen rose
alrighty thx
lusty grotto
only classes with like 3 min cds are the ones that should hold
for M Exp
like idk warlocks and shit
frozen rose
so like 2 minute cdz that some classes may have....hit on pull. hold dps pot, is kinda what im figuring here
lusty grotto
id say less than 1.5 mins
bleak breach
Pretty much
You can hold a trinket like beacon and that too if you’re really close, but 99% of the time for us just send it.
lusty grotto
on M Exp you want to beacon when he does the first bleed charges
and then beacon will be up on a dispel when rionthus is down with thadrion, i think the 2nd mass dispel after both of them are down
you can cleave a shitton of adds that way on a 2nd beacon
if youre moving bosses on top as you should
frozen rose
thast to finish boss off quickly? the first beacon
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
lusty grotto
its just so it aligns where you can pad more
hardy snow
just use on pull and then on CD, so you have more usages in case fights lasts ~5:10 or something
pallid quiver
beacon is required on every member of the raid, wym? Can't clear M Exp without an M Beacon per member,
lusty grotto
it takes like 30s to wait for him do rending charge
and then you can just send it
you wont have uptime anyway while he does it
hardy snow
but why? you will have two targets at 2:30 anyway
lusty grotto
and it'll be up when i mentioned, on the 2nd mass when both thadrion and rionthus are around
hardy snow
unless your group turbo dps and 2nd boss is down before that
but then it doesnt matter much
lusty grotto
because youre not hitting the boss while he does rending charge...
but you are on pull
hardy snow
you're not hitting boss when pull timer counts down anyway
hardy snow
using beacon on pull = precast before combat starts
lusty grotto
extra beacon damage on a non-uptime scenario is a net plus
bleak breach
Beacon at 2.5-2s then opener macro once beacon is cast
hardy snow
and when boss charges away you can always heroic throw to proc some embelishments
lusty grotto
and on cd up, you will beacon 2 bosses + stars
because it aligns perfectly
which means beacon will hit the 5 target mark
and do overall more damage
hardy snow
using on stars can be actually a waste, dmg calculation is when it starts falling down, but if small add dies before it lands, you still do split dmg on remaining target like they were all here
and with low hp adds it can actually happen
hardy snow
well, those stars are prio no matter of group
hardy snow
and also splitting beacon is not always a gain (statistical average it is of course), 1 target crit is better then 2 targets with only 1 crit, but its so random that nobody should care about it imo
lusty grotto
heavy disagree
hardy snow
and I hope we will have some better (in terms of mechanics) trinkets next tier
lusty grotto
5 target beacon is 70% more damage
hardy snow
heavy disagree
1M crit is more than 600k crit + 300k nocrit, and as we are talking about pure pad, I didnt consider priority of targets etc.
hardy snow
but as crit is random - more targets, more crits in general
mighty valley
we are doing hella things to math in here
lusty grotto
yeah idk
hardy snow
I know, thats why I didn't said its better, but it can be worse, and I didnt said anything about 5+ targetrs, only 1 vs 2 targets
lusty grotto
right but
2 bosses + 7 stars is more than 5 targets so you will always have a 70% damage beacon
crit or no crit
vs only 2 bosses
hardy snow
arent 7 stars up only late in p3?
lusty grotto
either way, i gotta give it to Side, he has huge balls for using beacon as a tank on that fight
especially as a prot war
hardy snow
whats wrong using beacon there?
lusty grotto
nothing particularly wrong, but most of us have problems with infused strikes
so defensive trinkets are pretty decent
hardy snow
meh
lusty grotto
even if it is to smooth out damage a bit
with full AA slows though
should be pretty chill
hardy snow
after buffs to def stance, buffs to our dmg (and thus leech) and gear ppl have now I dont think its not that hard as it was back in may or june
lusty grotto
well thats certainly true
but its still gonna be hard for someone progging recently
hardy snow
especially if you don''t have aa slows in your group
lusty grotto
yup
toxic geyser
What was @strong forum macro that he gave Andy? Is it the pinned SS/IP one that you replace IP but no SS with?
lusty grotto
yes but thats not what he was talking about
he said he gave his WA to andy so that he tracks the new tier
and plays around it
lusty grotto
but yeah you want that macro too so it consumes SS procs on IP
not sure if its published since ptr is ongoing
you can try to check, i dont see any updates to mine and i use his
lusty grotto
ah there you go
toxic geyser
Skimming through his messages earlier looked like he was saying IP is our new best friend when tryna proc thé tier
lusty grotto
well not a lot will change with the current playstyle
its just that when you're close to proccing it you will opt to IP in
and instantly SS to TC
as in IP not as you're about to cap like we do right now
toxic geyser
Close to proccing it?
lusty grotto
but if there's not then nothing will change
the playstyle will remain kind of intact, IP is still our better rage consumer since its off gcd
which is what i think he meant
warm plinth
I was pinged
warm plinth
Oh joy
toxic pewter
Truly wild to me we have basically radio silence from prot warrior dev this entire expansion. Zero notes for us in 10.2..
Every spec (except certain ones that have been reworked recently, and even some with recent reworks, still have many notes) has like an entire wall of text then literally zero for us
molten rock
Prot warrior is in a good spot no really any reason to change it
I mean most of the tanks specs in general are all doing pretty good
molten rock
Wut
toxic pewter
Prot warrior is the most dated tank and it shows
molten rock
Have you played the other tank specs? It’s probably one of the smoothest rn.
toxic pewter
Yes I play them all
molten rock
The only spec that feels clunkier to me is blood, and I know that’s a matter of opinion cause a lot of ppl love blood.
toxic pewter
All of our abilities are dated and not in line with modern wow at this point
toxic pewter
Vdh alone is going into 10.2 with double sigils, extreme utility and solid damage. Don’t have to even mention bear or paladin. Bdk is widely considered the most popular and unkillable tank that I to this day do not agree with the premise that that is OK. brewmaster has at least had some iteration last patch.. meanwhile prot warrior has had zero iteration, nothing to assist with out dire utility situation, a nerf coming next patch with zero compensation that the entire community is happy about and sees nothing wrong with. Zero for us for an entire year except marginal buffs to things like stances which are an affront to players like myself. I can go on if needed
molten rock
New prot set is like on par with old one dmg wise except a little better in m+ and is a massive raid buff, which we needed.
sick sentinel
Vdh alone is going into 10.2 with double sigils, extreme utility and solid damag...
But Prot War PvP is going to slap harder with fat SKS procs
molten rock
Blood being immortal is the only thing that’s ever made it good ever because it always has low dmg, as for veng they are specifically in a super weird spot rn cause thy just got massive reworks
As for brew RHE only touching they’ve gotten this patch is towards new tier
They didn’t touch base kit at all
toxic pewter
Like why is everyone ok with not hearing from prot dev for a year now
molten rock
And everything on new tier has been nerfs
sick sentinel
Blood might do better dps due to legoo
sick sentinel
Like why is everyone ok with not hearing from prot dev for a year now
Warrior cope
molten rock
Maybe but not everyone has Lego
And every time a Lego spec comes out they’re always the best
Not to mention season 1 prot warrior was broken as fuck
toxic pewter
It’s just wild to me that bear has more notes than us and they just got reworked. Like not even a single line for us in 10.2 which is the last major patch of the xpac by the way
molten rock
Also bear got giga fucking nerfed