The hype real for 10.2 ? Our strong return ?
#protection
quiet monolith
No I hate it
lusty grotto
your loss
lusty tiger
my dk owns
lusty grotto
leggo crowns the meta tank
lusty tiger
^
quiet monolith
Bdk/bear/vdh I just can't do it
lusty tiger
brm?
mighty valley
just stick to your fave tank forever
lusty grotto
that's just too bad my dude
daring marlin
You should go pally. They have uTiLiTy.
quiet monolith
I main brew, hoping it's decent
lusty grotto
yes yes utility
lusty tiger
utiliteh
daring marlin
m-m-m-muh utility
quiet monolith
Brew looked good but now everyone is dooming it
lusty grotto
eewtility
lusty tiger
futiliteh
quiet monolith
If I cared about others I'd be a healer you know what I mean
I'm a tank for a reason
lusty grotto
oh ok
quiet monolith
It's all about me
lusty tiger
i dont know what you mean
mighty valley
if you truly didn't care about others you'd be able to ignore dooming
quiet monolith
It was a joke boys
lusty tiger
i dont get it
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
bdk not being meta in 10.2 is just mindbogglingly incorrect
no chance it will not be
lusty grotto
daring marlin
They won't be if their damage is dog.
opaque quest
Legy will make up for it ig
daring marlin
Potentially.
strong forum
They won't be if their damage is dog.
Bdk is currently dmg King in m+
In 10.2
Cuz both brew and bear lose alot of dmg
Bdk doesn't lose alot
opaque quest
Why does brew lose dmg oh no
daring marlin
oh, good
strong forum
Not on all targets
daring marlin
not that their dam is bad in m+ atm
opaque quest
Ah nice. my brew still is 423 cause i havent gotten a single upgrade in 7 days. Time to delete it
daring marlin
roger
daring marlin
me stand in defiled ground and spam bloodboil
strong forum
10.2 pwar with t30 apl does less dmg than current pwar
opaque quest
Welcome to unholy
Where our old 4p did more dmg than new 4p with 30 ilvl more
Until they nerfed old 4p
strong forum
Once I update apl it should be stronger
But its gonna take alot of sweat
Writing the new IP parameters
daring marlin
SATISFACTION
strong forum
strong forum
IP line is already giga long
Now ill have to add so much new shit
Just to game the new tierset
Oh yeah FYI
If any of you guys happen to find a video that says tierset is rng in how it procs and that it'll be your top dmg in keys
Just know that they're full of shit and have no idea what they're talking about
daring marlin
the usual
lusty grotto
sounds like every pre-patch video ever
strong forum
I was just so baffled
strong forum
Some refuse to play vdh cuz it's not representative
Some say vdh is S tier
Really makes you think
strong forum
Only thing that is agreed upon is that bear isn't goated anymore
But can also still not be tested properly cuz tierset bugged
quiet monolith
from my limited monk testing their 4pc is either bugged or completely useless
strong forum
Did your uncle tell you that again
toxic pewter
well the leak I am firmly behind did say it is coming
and I have read all the leaks and this one I am firm on
I will be the first to admit- in the past I have had some bad information that perhaps I did not vet well enough
but this time I am pretty firm
knotty vortex
anyone have a sample build for M+ on what prot warrior will look like with the next set?
hazy bronze
median tulip
Why are we suddenly back on the Thunderlord kick in 10.2?
lusty tiger
@waxen frigate
median tulip
How many stacks does the 4pc damage reduction go to, and for how long?
median tulip
and are the stacks independent, or does the duration refresh?
knotty vortex
https://tenor.com/view/fabulous-smile-gif-5271756
gee forgot to check pins
lusty tiger
@sick sentinel wanna do a +17?
hazy bronze
Why are we suddenly back on the Thunderlord kick in 10.2?
More clapping from tier set I tink
strong forum
Got buffed by 50% in s2
So people started playing it in high keys over sof
Which makes sense
You'll get alot less milage out of sof next patch cuz less revenge usage
orchid mural
always feel i need to take the AOE silence - carry the group thru support instead of DPS 😛
how are the new dungeons lookin caster wise anyhoo's?
fickle ingot
What is love
left basalt
rough basin
I play all tanks but for some reason as warri the mouseover function from blizzard is kinda not working. I checked the mouseover box, key is set to none. But pummel choses the next target instead, works on the stun somehow, Anyone an idea? charge does not work either
I checked on druid, nothing changed there, works all fine
toxic pewter
My mom’s dog Bernie became paralyzed in his back two legs. He had spine surgery two days ago luckily doing ok. Has a long road to recovery but he’s a good boy
cerulean tusk
That a good boii 
lusty tiger
good dogge
toxic geyser
You'll get alot less milage out of sof next patch cuz less revenge usage
Why’s there less revenge usage next tier?
pallid quiver
The tier set resets TC's cooldown
so you just naturally press Revenge less, since TC is more important to press than Revenge, especially in the context as to why TC is reset (bleeds reset on given target)
toxic geyser
so you just naturally press Revenge less, since TC is more important to press th...
Ah true
So basically: friendship over with revenge, now ignore pain is my best friend
wind oak
<@&257983573498265600>
pallid quiver
I saw it in real time
someone just reported it before me
so i continued to get murdered on pull on my DK on raid trash
pallid quiver
you wanna be a crypto bro
warm plinth
Oh, that's not very exciting
pallid quiver
no it wasn't
warm plinth
Incidentally, I do not want to be a crypto bro
blazing condor
Its funny when hacked accounts write their scam messages in #report-dms
Its like going to the police house and trying to sell crack
sick sentinel
police house? really bro
blazing condor
man idk
i had just woken up
no bully
i dont respect the english language enough to care
sweet summit
gm king
blazing condor
m gang
sick sentinel
ive heard it called everything but a police house
i grew up in town of less than 1500, and even then we still called it the police station,
police house just sounds to me likea far removed country describing it or what youd have in a village population of 300
blazing condor
maybe its as if different languages have different ways to describe things
and thererfore the translations can be affected
sick sentinel
im not actually mad at you about
drifting juniper
sweet summit
ye
sweet summit
you can
but idk how often that situation would happen in this or next seasons dungeons
sick sentinel
generally speakjng i prefer excute meta rather than bleed meta
seems like there was alot of effort in df to make bleeds do more
pallid quiver
I just revenge on 2 because no thinky
uneven mason
Rip guild wants me to go DPS next tier, guess that's my sub
hardy snow
Rip guild wants me to go DPS next tier, guess that's my sub
just enter /gquit
pallid quiver
We need to just band together and make a guild of only Prot Wars in solidarity
all prot war raids, let's go
it'll be fine
hardy snow
good luck with mythic experiments or zskarn with prot wars only 
daring marlin
police house
warm plinth
also did they remove the spider from everbloom?
I was told they did
blazing condor
hood lost a real one
pallid quiver
What was the issue with a spider now?
sick sentinel
just make the spiders spawning intro part of the boss and nerf spider boss main abilites, duh
tahts if they want to put it in
cuz its like more than 30 seconds anyways, to start the boss in TW
gotta kill the spider adds they give her a 10% dmg incoming or some shit
toxic pewter
7 people have heart’d my comment about making rallying cry work at 100% in party content on wow forums
pallid quiver
make it work at 5,000% and make Execute cleave, usable on any target regardless of health, and deal double damage
sick sentinel
sure make it the less players it hits the greater the effect (size or duration)
only hits you, lasts 3 times as long, x3 effect
rapid jewel
did some of you guys PTR testing? How is the new raid taking into acount our strength and weaknesses?
cerulean tusk
7 people have heart’d my comment about making rallying cry work at 100% in party...
Those guys heart takes like:
Warrior should get heroism, shockwave and intimidation shout baseline.
Or
Arms should lose the mortal strike effect on mortal strike.
So...
Yeah. You won over that gang.
strong forum
did some of you guys PTR testing? How is the new raid taking into acount our str...
From what I've seen not that hot
blazing condor
sudden grotto
@strong forum hello can you tell me why this class doesnt deal damage
i posted a log in log review
dusky canopy
Have you tried pressing more buttons?
sudden grotto
sadly yes?
dusky canopy
do you have 6 million haste and crit?
sudden grotto
sadly no?
dusky canopy
oof
strong forum
pwar doesnt do dmg
dusky canopy
crit do the dam
strong forum
your trinkets are ass
sudden grotto
so i should be happy with 67k? 
strong forum
with 435 ilvl with trinkets that do negative dmg
and without windfury totem
yeah you cant expect much more
sudden grotto
shit class fix when?
strong forum
11.0
sudden grotto
tell me next tier is good
strong forum
you used outburst very poorly
strong forum
ye
sudden grotto
what is outburst
strong forum
one of your most important talents
jagged pier
only have 1 embleishment
strong forum
strong forum
your ratio of outburst from SS to TC should be 4-1
sudden grotto
so i dont waste it on thunderclap
strong forum
yours its 50-50
you fish for SS resets with revenge if you can
holding for 2 GCDs is worth
more is not
sudden grotto
aite
strong forum
even on aoe btw
sudden grotto
anything else?
strong forum
your opener is wrong
sudden grotto
i mean if aoe and avatar u rather use outburst on tc right?
sudden grotto
what is sof
strong forum
your opener should be
ravager -> charge + avatar + SB -> demo shout -> TR -> SC -> normal rotation
and not ravager after 13 seconds
sudden grotto
LOL
strong forum
dusky canopy
holy blockamolly
strong forum
thats how it should look like
okay maybe not the revenge before SS
xdd
but aside from that revenge
thats your opener
dusky canopy
strong forum
i'm playing thunderlord in keys instead
then you almost never want to use outburst on TC
gigantic dmg and rage loss
sudden grotto
roger
strong forum
TC does fuckall dmg
sudden grotto
gonna track that thing
strong forum
the only reason why TC shows up on DMG meter is cuz you press it so often
sudden grotto
also how much haste do we want?
strong forum
all of it
sudden grotto
i had like ~19% ?
strong forum
pain
strong forum
devastator, shield slam, bleed ticks, thunderclap, anger management, outburst
toxic pewter
so in m+ are we expecting to not use uproar or wat, I personally want to get rid of unstoppable force
strong forum
not worth
dusky canopy
atleast 400% haste
strong forum
cuz uproar isnt consistent dmg output
you have 60% uptime on avatar
youre losing insane amounts of consistent dmg output
by playing Uproar
sure you do more dmg every now and again
but not consistently
toxic pewter
yeah but wont the tc resets from the tier
eat into the value of uf anyway
strong forum
who cares about the CD
sudden grotto
after the raid 
is this any decent
strong forum
its the 50% dmg increase of TC
toxic pewter
sigh
strong forum
after the raid <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364> is this any decent
ye is pretty good
toxic pewter
fair enough I guess I cant argue with the tc damage
sudden grotto
i'd swap grapnel for beacon right?
strong forum
eh
not rly
bacon can kill you
and is not that much dmg
youre losing alot of str to get beacon
like bacon is good, absolutely
but anvil is better
sudden grotto
it buffs ss?
strong forum
?
sudden grotto
anvil
strong forum
yes
timber basin
heyo i just want some advice from my fellow protwarrs,wich trinket combo should i use on ST and on m+ 🙂
strong forum
oce + vial for damage
oce + cheat for ultra mega keys
oce + tree mouth for when youre scared of a key
tree + cheat for when you absolutely dont want to play the game
timber basin
haha nice 😄 so mirror is dogshit?
sudden grotto
btw if i wanted aoe silence what would i drop
sudden grotto
yes ofc
strong forum
you just dont play aoe interrupt
sudden grotto
i kinda like battering ram for the attack speed
strong forum
if shockwave stormbolt and intim shout isnt enough
and the occasional shield charge
idk chief
timber basin
thats what im using currently on m+
toxic pewter
yikes
strong forum
do you know what your tierset does?
sudden grotto
thats what im using currently on m+
(go for my build if anything)
timber basin
aoe dmg and dr?
strong forum
4pc procs after using last stand
timber basin
shame on me then
dusky canopy
whats bolster
strong forum
bolster reduces last stand CD by 1minute
meaning you get more last stands
meanign you get more tierset procs
meaning you do ALOT more aoe dmg
dusky canopy
whats last stand?
strong forum
furthermore
punish provides 9-12% DR on your prio target and buffs a huge chunk of your dmg by 10%
timber basin
so i just got 2.6k not even using my tierset properly? the hell ?!
strong forum
Battering Ram grants you alot of attack speed on auto attack, which provides you with more devastator procs
which grants you more shield slam procs
which grants you more tierset value
which grants you more aoe and ST dmg
grim pilot
so i just got 2.6k not even using my tierset properly? the hell ?!
You can get to 3k+ without using it
But thats punishing yourself
sudden grotto
so i just got 2.6k not even using my tierset properly? the hell ?!
it's ok u dont need to press defensives on warrior until maybe 23's
as long as u IP and SB
and press buttons
LOL
grim pilot
Just dont turn your back 
timber basin
well,then i shouldnt be proud of myself
grim pilot
Its a game
strong forum
just tryna point out a few things
that can make you even more proud once you got em down
timber basin
i started the season 1 month ago,i played fury/arms since sl
and im tanking only since i came back
i gotta read everything here i guess to be better haha
blazing condor
i think everyone who comes into a class discord to ask questions so they can improve should be proud of themselves
strong forum
certainly wont hurt! 
blazing condor
sudden grotto
@strong forum is there any overly developed WA to track violent outburst
strong forum
yes
sudden grotto
or do u just go with normal stacks ->> proc
strong forum
most people just track the buffs
blazing condor
i made two TMWs for outburst lol
blazing condor
i have one for seeing red and one for outburst
and outburst is hella big and glowy
strong forum
xeph helped me turn the buff tracker into a rage tracker
rapid jewel
i gotta read everything here i guess to be better haha
try to have fun first, the rest comes with time tbh. If you enjoy what you are doing you naturally get better at it.
sudden grotto
oh that's neat
timber basin
ty 😄 ye im having lotta fun playing prot,used to be my main in private pandaria servers but its rly different here 😄
strong forum
yeah tanking changed alot
timber basin
solotanking ToT man,vengeance goes brrrrrrrrr
strong forum
yeah nah, retail tanking doesnt allow fun anymore
rapid jewel
every tank misses vengeance
lusty tiger
yeah nah, retail tanking doesnt allow fun anymore
lusty tiger
ZD
blazing condor
zds
strong forum
with the latest VDH changes on PTR
the aberrus set is better even when 80ilvl behind
than new set
🙂
blazing condor
timber basin
i have a veng dh man,it feels like its made for dumb people whit 3fingers,very forgiving gameplay
blazing condor
doesnt feel like there's a lot of skill in tanking for any class now
blazing condor
i can get that
timber basin
anyways,can i get a proper raid/st and m+ build pls? 😛
blazing condor
but its still a shame
lusty tiger
to make it more attractive
Yet there’s still mythic raid tanks losing threat
strong forum
anyways,can i get a proper raid/st and m+ build pls? 😛
pinned
scroll down in pins and youll find raid and m+ build for 10.1
blazing condor
its kinda like jungling in League
not a lot of people playing
and they wanna make it more accessible
timber basin
thanks 😄
lusty tiger
Jungling was too hard though
strong forum
Yet there’s still mythic raid tanks losing threat
cuz career tanks dont care about doing dmg or min maxing
lusty tiger
cuz career tanks dont care about doing dmg or min maxing
On god
blazing condor
im not a big league player so my takes are kinda pepega
but it felt the same
they took away a lot of skill expression from it
skill floor way higher at the cost of skill ceiling
only really affects the better players negatively
so on the big whole its a positive change
lusty tiger
cuz career tanks dont care about doing dmg or min maxing
All the good tanks are dps players tired of the limp dick career tanks
blazing condor
just not for us 
strong forum
a) there are no good tanks
b) all the "good" tanks are DPS players fed up with shit tanks
😉
blazing condor
i played fury in cata up til 4.3
blazing condor
so im definitely in b)
lusty tiger
Yes
strong forum
mb
lusty tiger
U said what I said but w bullets
strong forum
🔫
lusty tiger
lol
strong forum
i read it the other way around
blazing condor
there are no literate tanks
strong forum
that all good tanks turned DPS
strong forum
there are no literate tanks
some more than others
strong forum
Bloodborne pickers are the best example
strong forum
only if you sacrifice defensive prowess
strong forum
whats the context here
sudden grotto
the builds pinned
strong forum
what about it
sudden grotto
the "push" doesnt have into the fray
strong forum
correct
strong forum
no?
sudden grotto
unless u're not clicking buttons
blazing condor
we lose bolster
strong forum
HR was the play all of Season 1
blazing condor
or idk but id guess we need the higher uptime
sudden grotto
why
sudden grotto
wait really
sudden grotto
shit class
strong forum
you can only get close to full block uptime without HR next patch if you have WAY north of 35% haste unbuffed
sick sentinel
guys i bought a new pc
strong forum
sick
blazing condor
now do that in an airfryer
timber basin
can someone give me a proper working prot warr buff tracker wa? i want to track ls,sw,sb but i cant find a working one on wago
blazing condor
quazii has a good one
sudden grotto
u can just copy one and change ids
blazing condor
on his site
timber basin
❤️
strong forum
is this when i plug my UI again
blazing condor
i was gonna say
cerulean tusk
For only 6,99£ a month, you too can use Nomeratur UI!
ruby berry
it's a steal!
cerulean tusk
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timber basin
uhm,i dont want shit like that,i only want the buff's icon to pop-up when i have the buff,and track its duration. on quazii web i only found "get elvui,install wa,install my exact ui pack etc.". i dont want that i just want it simple 😄
or maybe im just stuped idk
strong forum
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this is generic buff tracker
for pwar stuff
dusky canopy
whats a text file
strong forum
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this is shield block
cerulean tusk
If you want simple, just make one for yourself. Do /WA - template - buff
timber basin
somehow the 1st one doesnt show the buffs separately for me,its overlapping
timber basin
sry im not a wa genius,i rly appreciate ur help 😄
strong forum
timber basin
can i re-size the popping icons btw? on the shield block wa?
timber basin
it resets everytime
xD
do i need to save it somehow?
nvm,im stupid
i re-typed the numbers,didnt used slider
kekw
dusky canopy
Nome I totally agree bro!
having active buffs pop up as a top row bar above my cds im tracking is amazing
literally game changing
I cannot play without my WA suite in the middle of my screen lol
timber basin
btw shadowflame-sophic or wafting weapon enchant is better on m+?
sick sentinel
sophic is slightly better dps
strong forum
ideally just sim
sick sentinel
wafting isn't bad, just, you can get a ton of haste from other gear and consumables
strong forum
but for my character wafting simmed best
sophic starts falling off the more ilvl you get
sick sentinel
if u have towards 7100 haste with buffs you don't want it is all i remember
it gives like, over 1250 haste anywas
lose way too much rating.
timber basin
i have 5.8k haste unbuffed,so better get a wafting then?
waxen frigate
just sim it
sick sentinel
my haste is 6675 and i use sophic (keys)
waxen frigate
like there's no point asking here because it really depends on your gear
sick sentinel
depends on content too
strong forum
just sim for single target
if wafting is anywhere near the top or margin of error
or sophic
use that
cuz itll translate infinitely better into multi target than shadowwreathe or frozen
timber basin
i did sim for dungeons,it says wafting is better,like +4k dps
toxic pewter
wat
sick sentinel
do it for single target
cuz, lots of times dungeons tyranical, is only 1 target
any time you do a sim you do it for, uh, 1 minute or 3 ? i cant remember the time but its always 1 target for sim unless someone says to do "dungeon slice"
dusky canopy
Bro Asmon is so fucking based its hilarious to me.
"I'm not cocky, I'm just experienced at being right."
lusty tiger
Asmongold is the spokesman for all dad gamers
orchid mural
i object.
lusty tiger
uneven mason
Asmongold is the spokesman for all dad gamers
I think you mean incels
orchid mural
support
lusty tiger
I think you mean incels
Well he ain’t a spokesperson for me
So either I’m not an incel or he’s not a spokesman for incels
opaque quest
He aint one for me either and i have kids and a wife. So not a spokesman for dads either
trim condor
What are you all using as trinkets in keys? I am farming raid, but 0 luck so far. Is there any useful from m+, that I can farm?
blazing condor
i use Anvil and Mark
opaque quest
Cheat death and beacon but you can just use dargruls
opaque quest
I have essence but cheat death is so much better for my giga pull ass
blazing condor
trim condor
I am farming even rdf/normal raid, but anvils, beacons and essences are always rolled with 95+ rolls
blazing condor
gotta buy a lucky charm
opaque quest
Gotta wait for Vault. Every single of my trinkets from raid this season is from a vault
On every char
Oh and TW/4M0 Chests. Do those
Got 2 OCE from them
blazing condor
do u think they gonna fix the cross faction shenanigans ingame
chilly brook
do u think they gonna fix the cross faction shenanigans ingame
Eventually yeah
blazing condor
where "cross faction is a thing guys:)" but you can do like 10% of things cross faciton
chilly brook
I mean you can do a lot of things cross faction but there’s some big pain points
blazing condor
id kinda wanna faction swap but it aint worth on a 99% horde server with no alliance crafters etc
chilly brook
Like not being able to q random dungeons Feelsbadman
blazing condor
many friends are horde so i cant be ally if i wanna do old stuff
or q dungeons yea
opaque quest
idk. My warrior is alliance and i have zero problems. Just logg to horde char, /2 LF BM 447 Sword
chilly brook
id kinda wanna faction swap but it aint worth on a 99% horde server with no alli...
Pretty sure you can cross faction crafting order
lusty tiger
He aint one for me either and i have kids and a wife. So not a spokesman for dad...
Papiii Rooach
trim condor
Yeah, cross faction not working on queue is troll. You cant level together or do timewalkings
opaque quest
Then make a perso order on your alliance char to him
chilly brook
^^^
sick sentinel
my opnion is tat you should be able to cross que in peace expansions/patches
and then war u cant
opaque quest
LFR is the biggest problem when playing alliance
blazing condor
alliance open minded players not so open minded when i fly over stormwind
smh
war is over my ass
chilly brook
I’m thinking I need to spend some of almost 3m gold I got from gambling during raid on swapping back to being a panda
chilly brook
Panda gang is BiS
blazing condor
been panda since 2012
last week i gender changed my panda
thats the only change since then
sick sentinel
panda i dont agree with no like
dusky canopy
Panda animation do be pretty good
opaque quest
I love my panda monk
blazing condor
i too cant become a worgen physically
opaque quest
Also dual wield looks so so good on fem panda
chilly brook
Panda animations are legit BiS
chilly brook
Also dual wield looks so so good on fem panda
Yeah it does
opaque quest
i too cant become a worgen physically
chilly brook
Fem panda fury warrior is sick
opaque quest
You can also name your fem panda Katybeary
blazing condor
pookiebear
blazing condor
also you can use many variations of "brew" in your name
despite not being a monk
although it fits better on monks
grand veldt
Sometimes I close my eyes and imagine prot war convo is in this channel
opaque quest
Sometimes I close my eyes and imagine prot war convo is in this channel
Cause Warr cant be Panda
blazing condor
idk what ive been playing past decade then
sweet summit
with my feelings 😔
blazing condor
quiet kitten
sweet summit
s-sowwy >~<
opaque quest
This is the point where i logg off
sweet summit
nyoo don't leave :3
blazing condor
This is the point where i logg off
dont make me glomp you
opaque quest
I had to google what a glomp is. Kinda scared now ngl
blazing condor
unmoderated internet access as a kid takes its toll on a person, Rooach
strong forum
opaque quest
Time to dig up some 284 year old skeleton
sweet summit
what the
opaque quest
Pretty sure chick in the pic leveled alot in the last few years. Might be 42069
ionic fern
opaque quest
Ye dw i wouldve deleted it in 10 sec anyways
Thats why the first one didnt have a preview after 1 second
lusty tiger
: D
blazing condor
only like 10 years after i started the quest chain im tryna get shadowmourne
got 4 shadowfrost things
only 10 more weeks
strong forum
I got mine some time during SL
blazing condor
i cared more about legendaries as a kid
worked hard to get thunderfury and stuff in cata
then i just gave up
goes for everything collectible really
imagine how stacked i couldve been now if i kept at it
opaque quest
For me it was the opposite. Never cared as a teenager cause i was to busy raiding on schedule. Now that im old and suck at the game i do old shit
Except mounts. Fuck mounts
blazing condor
am i tweaking or has Blackfathom deeps ever been HC?
or anything other than normal
i have a vivid memory of like doing the dungeon as if its current content endgame
gilded juniper
Pvp talent sword and board got removed?
hardy snow
yes, I think it got deleted on same tuning when shield bash was transformed into passive
mortal dagger
Pvp talent sword and board got removed?
atleast they ll add this COPIUM
hardy snow
Pvp talent sword and board got removed?
yea, it was done with 10.1.0
warm plinth
am i tweaking or has Blackfathom deeps ever been HC?
It was never heroic
opaque quest
It got reworked in cata tho iirc. Pretty sure only DM got a heroic mode
blazing condor
Yea dm got hc
Idk its a weird memory i have
Maybe did it on an alt or smth but i dont play alts
Shadowfang keep also got HC
blazing condor
Dm as in deadmines yes
warm plinth
I always called it DM because Dire Maul is dead to me.
One of the worst dungeons they've ever made imo
warm plinth
tbf I think VC was a lot more necessary on alliance side because they regularly did both dungeons. Horde didn't do Deadmines very often because it was in Westfall (at least, I rarely saw it being advertised in trade)
I never actually did either dungeon til like...Wrath or something though. I think I did them for the first time when LFD came out
daring marlin
ghash what have you eaten today
mighty valley
dire maul didn't exist when the game launched, there was no problem with calling it dm at first
median tulip
Blizz should take care not to reuse the same acronyms. Like with talents we should not have Booming Voice and Brutal Vitality.
Just rename one plz
strong forum
SB
Soul barrier, spell block, shield block, spirit bomb
There are some more acronyms that have way too many meanings
median tulip
I mean the same letters on two different classes is acceptable. But Shield Block and Spell Block together is just blizz being dicks
warm plinth
Idk we just use BrV for brutal vit
mighty valley
spell block is extrememly descriptive and explains the ability instantly, silly to throw that away just for acronym cleanliness
warm plinth
And splock is one of my favorite shortcuts I've seen used in here
For spell block
It could be worse. We could be like fire mages
And use IB for fire blast
median tulip
Never played Fire. The worst for it I've played is Shaman.
warm plinth
I think in most cases you can guess the intent by context anyway
Someone gave me a hard time once because I used CP to talk about combo points 🙃
median tulip
Lightning Bolt and Lava Burst. Flame Shock and Frost Shock.
hasty dagger
in low 20s do you spend more time in defensive or battle stance
hardy snow
in low 20s do you spend more time in defensive or battle stance
battle stance
median tulip
in low 20s do you spend more time in defensive or battle stance
Defensive Stance is just another cooldown, not a permanent thing
opaque quest
They could remove the dmg penalty alltogether and i would still sit in Bstance for 3% crit
opaque quest
Dont need Bstance for that. SADLY. Bad dps sit on 75k overall in Bracken 20. We can beat them naked
median tulip
Dont need Bstance for that. SADLY. Bad dps sit on 75k overall in Bracken 20. We ...
TBQH I have no idea how much damage I or they "should" be doing. But I'm always ahead of at least one of them.
opaque quest
Do you not play DPS as alts? Thats where im getting my feeling from
If i can do 280k on my enh in bracken 22 i expect at least 250 from shitty dps
median tulip
No. I don't really have time for Alts anymore. And I never enjoyed Fury, and Arms in DF is just broken bad and wrong.
opaque quest
Makes perfect sense then to not have a feeling for dps players. I just play 15 chars at once so i know rougly how much each class should do
median tulip
I very occasionally play a healer alt. And usually end up cursing the fucking tank
opaque quest
The tank? I tend to curse the dps because retardiots dont use personals on bleed in ulda for example
median tulip
Healing is stressful. Warrior tanking is relaxing.
Well, it is as long as people interrupt the right things and don't asspull
opaque quest
We both know they do. They always do 😑
sweet orchid
So what's the consensus for prot warrior mage tower currently. Easier/harder than others for highlords return?
pallid quiver
I can't compare to any others, but it's really easy as Prot War if you know what you need to do in it
Since you can SR his major cast in the last phase
sick sentinel
I mean, MT gear makes all of them piss easy
violet flume
havent done it on bear but the 1st boss has 1/3 the hp than he has if youre a warrior
seems much easier
strong forum
So what's the consensus for prot warrior mage tower currently. Easier/harder tha...
Pretty fuckin easy
The only one that's easier is vdh probably
Cuz glide
Altho I guess bear is also really fucking easy now that they have really good St dmg
sweet orchid
I did arms and fury, both were easy. Arms took me like five attempts.
Lookin at prot next
strong forum
They really didn't update the MT for DF
MT is heavily outdated in it's mechanics
Compared to what people have access now
sweet orchid
I mean people had leggos and artifacts back then
strong forum
Yeah and now we have... More
sweet orchid
True
sweet orchid
But... I wouldn't undersell how strong artifacts were. They had so much power by the end
strong forum
"by the end"
Yeah cuz MT didn't have ilvl scaling
It was tuned around ilvl 910
And artifact level idk 50?
By the end of legion you had 980 ilvl and artifact level 120
Ofc it was a joke
You could rofl stomp MT in late legion without having a single idea what you were doing
urban portal
so you are saying that MT was easy in legion through sheer ilvl
but now MT is easy due to the amount of power you have
strong forum
Yes
We have Spellblock and 3 stops now for example
In legion you had at best 2 stops and no spellblock
And your rage gen was tied to taking dmg, not dealing dmg
Block is also now vastly stronger than legion
sick sentinel
You can also make a MT set and just shitstomp it too
strong forum
Absolutely overkill
And takin the absolute L if you build a set to abuse ilvl scaling
warm plinth
gaming now right?
lusty grotto
ye
chilly brook
jagged gust
So what's the consensus for prot warrior mage tower currently. Easier/harder tha...
Prot war probably the hardest one I've done out of half a dozen
jagged pier
So what's the consensus for prot warrior mage tower currently. Easier/harder tha...
its a fucking joke
grand veldt
Altho I guess bear is also really fucking easy now that they have really good St...
I literally spammed moonfire and did it in 4 tries
blazing condor
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King shit
jagged pier
tbf all the tanks one are a joke
jagged gust
Tell that to my 7k repair bill
jagged pier
🤷
warm plinth
🤷 difficulty is subjective so that's fine
jagged pier
i mean not that much anymore u have far more tools than u used to
and the tuning is far easier
like sure u still need to learn the mecahnics
but because u have more tools
u have more ways to deal with them
and because u have to do 'less damage;
u get less mechanics
warm plinth
Easier does not mean easy
It's certainly easier than it has been in the past. But that doesn't mean it's easy to every individual. One is relative, one is subjective.
jagged gust
The problem for me is you have to be consistent with all your DR abilities, one wrong move 5 minutes in and you're back to square one
jagged pier
i mean in general is easier to everyone because of all the changes
you really over thinking it
its really not like that
jagged gust
IDK for me those fights really dragged on and I felt like I was on the brink of death constantly
Actually thinking back I was playing with 300ms back when I did it
sweet orchid
I feel mislead. This challenge is orders of magnitude harder than arms and fury.
jagged pier
no way
warm plinth
well as I said, it's subjective. Typically the specs you play and are comfortable with are going to be easier for you
Because you're more familiar with their kit as well
lone wren
I was in raid with a protection warrior that was doing between 60-100k dps each fight with protection warrior in aberrus hc. Like he was over several dps at the same time.
How that damage is even possible with a tank spec?
What should I do if I want to do that?
Like I was playing arms and doing 80-100k but even if I can tank and do 60k dps I will think it will be great
lone wren
I don’t think so. Following heliki mostly and gear have practically what I keep finding
Have the sarka and anvil hc trinket thought they were the recommended for protections for dps
warm plinth
I've never used the rotation helper addon but I kinda doubt it's able to react fast enouigh for you to do the optimal rotation with how fast our rotation is.
winter marlin
60k is reasonably done by anyone I'd say, 100k consistently is some sort of special skill S a prot warrior atm
warm plinth
we're one of the fastest specs in the game
jagged pier
I don’t think so. Following heliki mostly and gear have practically what I keep...
well heliki might not be correct
or u might be too slow theres lots of factors
logs would help us fine out the issue
lone wren
Any link of a correct prot warior guide? Wowhead one is decent? Icy veins?
Also I am definitely too slow
jagged pier
i mean guides are a start point anyway
winter marlin
I mean anywhere is gonna get you to not dying. Doing 100k while not dying is very different
lone wren
I click on everything only 3-4 hability binder
jagged pier
so they dont relal help with the nounce stuff
jagged pier
I click on everything only 3-4 hability binder
then u never getting 100k
warm plinth
You are very very very very unlikely to perform well on prot warrior if you click even half your spells.
warm plinth
Clicking is just honestly not a viable option in this era of WoW. Things are too fast and need too much reaction to be worrying about am I going to get my mouse to this button in time
jagged pier
and not fast enough to make the desicions
lone wren
then u never getting 100k
60k I am fine with also more at 20-30k when on protection spec
jagged pier
Clicking is just honestly not a viable option in this era of WoW. Things are to...
i dunno i fell BM u might get away with it
warm plinth
Well, okay, one or two specs maybe haha
lone wren
In healing you get away with clicking easily
warm plinth
But honestly any time someone says they click, all I can think is they're either way too reliant on tab targeting or they have to click a target that needs cc/interrupt/whatever and then go back to their bar and click the spell and I just cringe.
jagged pier
60k I am fine with also more at 20-30k when on protection spec
honestly can tell with out logs if u can get there
u might not get theree with clicking tbh
winter marlin
30k can prolly be done by spamming tc & sending shield charge on cd
lone wren
I think I need to read guides first then I ll see logs
jagged pier
well chopose icy veins
lone wren
30k can prolly be done by spamming tc & sending shield charge on cd
See shield charge is something I barely touch
lone wren
well chopose icy veins
Ok I ll read it
winter marlin
Spec into that shit and start touching it homie
warm plinth
oh dear
lone wren
I normally I am 80 percent of the time shield slam, revenge and thunderous clap
winter marlin
For raw DPS prolly left side capstone for it, right side for laziness or heavy heavy tank maintenance
warm plinth
Can I ask though, no judgment here, but
jagged pier
u take both caps stoines all the time for SC
warm plinth
How do you approach a new spec? Do you just like...make it, click a bunch of random talents, then click a bunch of random buttons or?
lone wren
Copy talents, use heliki and try some low mytic keys or lfr
warm plinth
copy talents from where?
lone wren
Wowhead
warm plinth
and heliki or w/e doesn't tell you to press shield charge?
lone wren
No
jagged pier
i mean please stop using heliki for like any tank spec
jagged pier
^
lone wren
Ok
warm plinth
I'm all for using shit like that if you're just a lower tier player and you don't aspire for anything crazy but that thing obviously has fundamental flaws in its current iteration if it's not telling you to press Shield Charge on CD.
And you're not learning anything if the tool you're using isn't set up properly
sweet orchid
no way
When is the last time you did the prot one? Cause I did arms in like 4 tries, fury in 15. I didn't have to farm gear for either of them, I just used what I had.
prot on the otherhand is looking like I wont clear it unless I farm a set for clearing it
rich wyvern
An example of something that’ll be an improvement over Hekili: take a look at icyveins to figure out which buttons are great and which buttons need a proc to be good etc
Then build your own weakaura that shows the info you’ve learned
jagged pier
When is the last time you did the prot one? Cause I did arms in like 4 tries, fu...
in DF
at somepoint
ive done it everytime to see how hard it is
jagged gust
When is the last time you did the prot one? Cause I did arms in like 4 tries, fu...
I spent 5k in repairs day 1
7k in repairs day 2
That shit took me for e v e r
sweet orchid
I'm 10k deep for repairs on the prot one currently
sweet orchid
I might have to farm some items for it
Cause this shit aint it
I'm getting 1 shot at 2 stacks of the debuff
jagged pier
i mean u get scaledown
blazing condor
ye
sweet orchid
Yeah, ilvl is scaled down so it's not relevant really
blazing condor
mage tower is just a skill check
jagged gust
It's not entirely irrelevant
rich wyvern
Your enchants and trinkets will defo help
blazing condor
it can
but any trinkets you use now in DF is better than back in SL
so if ppl could do it then
sweet orchid
I have a few trinkets to choose from, but they seem to have shit scaling
blazing condor
you should definitely be able to do it now
jagged pier
I'm getting 1 shot at 2 stacks of the debuff
i mean if this is annhilate u for sure arent playing correctly
jagged pier
ye
blazing condor
then u can just orb
jagged pier
u can take 2 with block
lone wren
thisn is the rotatiotion i found in the guide, if i need to use defensive habilitys like shield block and ignore pain, is ther ea priority spot inside it? or at the ed of a cycle? Cast Avatar Icon Avatar on cooldown
Cast Demoralizing Shout Icon Demoralizing Shout on cooldown (only with Booming Voice Icon Booming Voice).
Cast Ravager Icon Ravager
Cast Thunderous Roar Icon Thunderous Roar
Cast Shield Charge Icon Shield Charge
Cast Shield Slam Icon Shield Slam on cooldown
It can be reset anytime you cast Devastate Icon Devastate, Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap, Revenge Icon Revenge or Execute Icon Execute, so watch out for these procs
Cast Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap on cooldown
Cast Execute Icon Execute, if you do not need Rage for survivability
Cast Revenge Icon Revenge, if you do not need Rage for survivability
sweet orchid
Would you recommend the annulet for the tower?
blazing condor
thisn is the rotatiotion i found in the guide, if i need to use defensive habili...
you always want to have shield block up when youre taking blockable damage
both shield block and IP is off of the GCD
so you press them when needed
and you usually press a lot of IP because you need to dump rage not to overcap
jagged pier
Would you recommend the annulet for the tower?
i dont know what that is but there is no specfic pieces required for the mage tower
jagged gust
bro just blocked everything pre-patch .15 out of his fucking mind
lone wren
you always want to have shield block up when youre taking blockable damage
I was also using ignore pain on cd is that less critical?
blazing condor
well its bad if you over use it so you dont have rage for shield block/revenge if youd need it
you use a lot of IP but it should be done consciously and not just spammed
lone wren
Too keep agro I was using tunderous clap and whirlwind when several and on fire situations the boar mass taunt
blazing condor
you dont use whirlwind
jagged pier
ww off your bars
lone wren
Also checked simulation and with current gear it should be around 80k dps but that does not include defensive donwntime
Ok no whirlwind
blazing condor
you have so many better aoe abilities
thunder clap/revenge/ravager/thunderous roar/shield charge
etc etc
no need for whirlwind
lone wren
Ok I thought revenge had a cap on targets
jagged pier
no but they have to be infront of u
warm plinth
Our defensive abilities are part of our offensive rotation; sims use them.
lone wren
Still when dps I always do like 20 percent less than simulation
rich wyvern
It’s a good idea to get some sort of tracker weakaura for ignore pain and shield block uptime - the best time to press SB is “right as the last one is about to expire”, most of the time
rich wyvern
Still when dps I always do like 20 percent less than simulation
That’s normal if you’re not perfect at playing the spec
jagged pier
Still when dps I always do like 20 percent less than simulation
simsa are a perfect secanrio
u are very unlikely to get to the number
lone wren
Still did not enchant everything got many pieces past 2 days
Was playing as arms and loot spec to arms too but still won some rolls on offspec like the shield and weapon
winter marlin
i mean what for prot dps
your best bet is gonna be what, anvil & 447 mark from NL
weapon & shield irrelevant just make sure they're 447
well forgemaster 447 could be relevant
jagged pier
Would you recommend the annulet for the tower?
i dunno i just did it
first go
didnt even get 2 stacks of annhilate
nearly only 1 infernal
these talents
winter marlin
main thing is that it's gonna take some time bro, warrior is easy if its easy to you...at the root of it all are a lot of buttons and a lot of decisions to be made, quickly
rich wyvern
well forgemaster 447 could be relevant
Could be any level forgemaster - you get ilvl scaled anyway
But prolly not essential
sweet orchid
i dunno i just did it
I cant even get to phase 2. That's my issue. I'm just not doing enough damage.
jagged pier
Then you arent playing corectly its nkthing about the mechanics
sweet orchid
I can last a long time by doing mechanics, but eventually get overwhelmed by adds