I 4get not everyone grew up in the Miami area 
#protection
lusty tiger
strong forum
I 4get not everyone grew up in the Miami area <:keks:936231610850897992>
I grew up around kids smoking weed and doing drugs
And uh
Yeah nah fam
opaque quest
I grew up as the oldest of 5. I never had time for party
strong forum
Always found kids my age fucking stupid for doing so
lusty tiger
Dam daddy rooach
strong forum
Still think it's stupid
lusty tiger
I mean the bar scene with alcohol and ❄️ and 💊 is scuffed
That’s a dangerous lifestyle
opaque quest
I tried that when i moved out
lusty tiger
Idk if I could quit weed been on it nearly every day for 8 years now
opaque quest
Broke my foot
And took czech pain drugs with alc
Killed my liver so hard i havent drank since
lusty tiger
Yeah I mean drinking feels awful to me
strong forum
Idk if I could quit weed been on it nearly every day for 8 years now
Bruh
That's just a bruh from me
opaque quest
Havent tried weed or drugs in general but i bet some them are still "better" for you than alc
lusty tiger
Idk weed helps me focus and eat
Maybe a cope but hasn’t contributed to any noticeable health issues
strong forum
Havent tried weed or drugs in general but i bet some them are still "better" for...
How about... Just none
Wild concept for many
Which is baffling to me
opaque quest
Dont need to tell me. I have never tried drugs and i havent drank in 12 years
My dirty habit is soda
strong forum
My poison of choice is energy drinks
lusty tiger
Yea I just switched to coffee only
opaque quest
Im getting insane blood pressure from those
strong forum
I don't get any change, it's just a habit at this point
lusty tiger
Also energy drinks are a little expensive
opaque quest
Ye im paying 2,30€ for one
lusty tiger
Yeee
opaque quest
Thats what? 3 Dollares?
agile elbow
Everything is expensive now.
strong forum
But if its more than 1 per day, and I've not eaten/drank water, I get jittery
opaque quest
Depends on the brand i guess
lusty tiger
$0.95/oz
agile elbow
I don't wanna make it myself though.
opaque quest
Coffee makers are pretty cheap
lusty tiger
Just get a mocha pot it’s easy
opaque quest
Mine was 10 bucks
lusty tiger
Not sure but I know by the dent I’ve made in my bin of coffee that I will get more than 22 brews (the bin was $22)
strong forum
Sounds aight
lusty tiger
Just like 2 heaping spoons
Yeah it’s tight
It’s really really strong
Works all day for me
strong forum
Caffeine doesn't work on me
lusty tiger
Caffeine is a drug btw
strong forum
ik
lusty tiger
Mr str8 edge
wide dragon
prolly asked before, but what are everyones thoughts on Prot in raid so far?
lusty tiger
Low dam?
strong forum
Low dam
strong forum
The who in the what
lusty tiger
They add to the awake feeling past just the caffeine
Look up nootropics energy drinks
That’s why they juice you up more than a regular cup of coffee
strong forum
Energy drinks don't make me any more awake, it's just copium
lusty tiger
No they have stuff in it specifically to do that
Not like a conspiracy, is real science
strong forum
Yeah sure maybe for others
But for my state of being, it's at best copium
Doesn't add anything it's just a taste thing
toxic geyser
does wrecking throw work on incorp or is it only shattering?
lusty tiger
U got eat good and drink big water, can’t rip your energy drink without water and food
strong forum
does wrecking throw work on incorp or is it only shattering?
Only shattering
toxic geyser
that's such fucking bullshit
opaque quest
Roger ill yolo
opaque quest
Roger Roger
pallid quiver
Except echo
i dunno, echo still kinda half yolo in pugs
left trout
Did you not time the key?
left trout
Then why you putting the man on blast if you timed it
opaque quest
Thats not how this works
If you get boosted you get blasted. TIme or not timed
If youre 440 and do 60k while i pull 4 packs at once whole dungeon you get made fun of
Simple
lusty grotto
ez beacon from timewalking chest
for nimchippy
luckiest druid in the world
sorry forgot to flex white werebear again
welp i guess getting djaruun and beacon on the same week means im never getting evoker leggo
seems like a fair trade
i also got the ring-bound hourglass recipe on monday which, for some fucking reason, is worth like 800k on my server
so i should def play mega millions
pallid quiver
You already rolled out all of your luck
You should have played lotto before wow this week
potent anvil
Mail me the gold and you'll have all your luck back
lusty grotto
nimchipadin also got beacon first
potent anvil
weary saddle
is there any point crafting a lariat now that i am fully gemslotted
changing embellishment is such a pain
difference is minor right
jagged gust
i also got the ring-bound hourglass recipe on monday which, for some fucking rea...
I've seen that thing yoyo from 1.1mil down to 300k within a month
lusty grotto
supply and demand
lament shell
Play bear its free title
pallid quiver
man can i just please be allowed to give these out at this point
i've gotten 3 anvils in the past week
untold tangle
I tried a bunch of dungeons yesterday and I've been treating last stand more as a way to generate shield block rather than a cooldown and it's helped a lot. I've taken into the fray now and no longer have uptime issues. Thanks!
I do wonder what to do with all that rage I'm getting. I seem to run out of gcds to spend it all lol
untold tangle
👍
blazing condor
pwarr is pretty high cpm so u gotta be ready to dump that rage
violet ginkgo
👍
violet ginkgo
for story purpose
rich wyvern
It’s so they have the time to forge your heritage armour set while you go around doing quests
toxic geyser
Is last boss of BH supposed to feel totally fucked on prot? I feel like i've just got impending to try and get myself out of the absorb
grand veldt
Rezans trinket on PTR reworked
Now applies a bleed
pretty sure it'll work with our 4 set
pallid quiver
no it won't
pallid quiver
it should most likely require specific bleeds
grand veldt
the 4 set says bleeds in general not specific ones
the only category is your bleeds
as long as rezan counts as our own bleed it should work
ionic fern
Read into the 2p.
"Rend/TR/DW consumed".
4p is "each bleed consumed".
UNless they did some spaghetti coding, Rezan's won't be affecting it.
grand veldt
im about to farm the shitty version
and test it
they reworked all 3 version of the trinket
NO SNITCHES if this shit works
ionic fern
Go get em' tiger.
sweet summit
wtf
waxen frigate
NO SNITCHES if this shit works
sweet summit
why did they do that
ionic fern
🤷
sweet summit
my haste proc 😭
ionic fern
my haste proc 😭
Je, it used to be amazing.
grand veldt
BC THEY HAVENT MADE MYTHIC + TESTING AVAILABLE THIS WEEK FOR SOME REASON
ionic fern
Can't you just buy the trinket?
zenith sky
just tested it, does not consume Rezan's fury bleed
ionic fern
Shocker.
karmic plinth
you can buy a rezans from the trinket vendor to make it easier to test this
karmic plinth
it doesnt work with the tier bonus
median tulip
So I'm guessing that the rotation goes ShSlam > TClap > Revenge in PTR play?
ionic fern
Nothing changes in the rotation pretty much.je.
If the IP trigger for 2p remains the same, then you might want to min-max TR->IP->Fervid proc->SS
Actually, wait, it's 100% now. Forgot.
karmic plinth
cant wait to rip off of my cotank with fervid bite procs 
lapis breach
Hi fellow best tank class player choosers ever (regardless of anything anyone claims on statistics) - I recently leveled a new tank alt on a server and around 30-40 i thunderclap + shieldslam started to get really repetetive, so I made a #showtooltip /castsequence Shield Slam, ThunderClam macro and it works kind of semi ok to reduce the number of buttons I have to press for basic 5man dungeon tanking. My macro misses sometimes the procs of shield slam, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone know of a good alternative for the macro? Any other way to reduce the amount of buttons needed to spam all the time to maybe 1-3 instead of like 4-6 when tanking basic content and leveling up?
karmic plinth
you really dont want to have those two buttons macroed together in any way as they have quite different functions
bronze locust
Offbeat idea, try a console controller
karmic plinth
at the simplest you will need to press at least 5 buttons pretty frequently
ionic fern
SS/TC you definitely want to separate, don't get into bad habbits, it will bite you once you hit max lvl.
lapis breach
I'm just using it to get past crap content fast.
ionic fern
Shield Slam / Thunder Clap / Revenge / Shield Block.
Those are what you're main abilities are while leveling, no?
lapis breach
Pretty much yeah. Plus shield block last stand talented every now and then.
To keep the healers going easy breazy.
ionic fern
Naa, i wouldn't macro anything of those. 👀
lapis breach
Tbh it works OK, it's shit, but it's bearable. I'm just tired of all the buttons 😄
ionic fern
Prot isn't for you then. 😂
lapis breach
It does sometimes even pick up the odd shield slam proc.
ionic fern
We get even more once you gain access to all talents.
lapis breach
Prot isn't for you then. 😂
Well you ain't the one that decides that 😄
karmic plinth
sadly we dont have a real way to slow down our rotation
it's a high apm spammy spec
lapis breach
We get even more once you gain access to all talents.
Yeah I know, the cognitive complexity of WoW (especially if you wanna play good instead of average) is rather big.
ionic fern
Well you ain't the one that decides that 😄
Jeah, definitely.
Just that we gain more and more active abilities and it's really spammy.
lapis breach
Yeah, I miss being a BM hunter half afk top 3 dps.
lapis breach
it's a high apm spammy spec
Thanks for this info, I was wondering if anyone solved this.
ionic fern
I don't know if you have access to IP already, but you can replace your IP with:
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
Wait, you do.
IP is first talent.
Smh.
Brain plz.
lapis breach
Jeah, definitely.
Just that we gain more and more active abilities and it's real...
Sorry for the aggro Mwahi, it's just I'm old and got kids so I don't like twitch gameplay, I like chill things. So any way I can make it easier, I try to.
But I don't wanna go Blood DK easy though, that's just a cop out.
ionic fern
The macro i posted above will snipe Shield Slam resets when pressing IP.
IP is off the gcd, so it won't influence it.
lapis breach
That could work yeah, hmm. Have to try it. Thanks 🙂
I wonder how gimped a mostly passive talent tree build would be. You know - minimalizing the button smashery and maximising play comfort instead of performance.
jagged pier
That diesnt replace you ss bind
ionic fern
I wonder how gimped a mostly passive talent tree build would be. You know - mini...
It's comfy. It's playable. But it's 100% not optimal.
And depending on the content you are aiming to do, will gimp you significantly.
lapis breach
I guess talent trees to each content, rather than one tree to rule them all.
karmic plinth
if you havent picked the talent already i would strongly recommend taking this (i think it will be in the starter build too) it doesnt really slow the rotation down but it does take an entire ability out of the rotation
most likely you will have taken it as the game really paths you into it
lapis breach
Yeah I've that talented, but thanks for the tip. I'm checking out some cool builds from raider.io also for what people are using vs current raid content. That's my end goal, just getting back on board after a long break after shadowlands. Never played DF - the dragon cosplay wasn't my thing.
Just trying to make leveling less of a pain with some macroes while at work 😄 But I guess there is no way around it. Warrior is high apm like a korean e-sporter on cocaine in SC2.
ionic fern
Take the builds from the pin here (not the 10.2 ones).
lapis breach
Yeah the pin also had that shield slam ignore pain macro.
rtfm or read the f'n pins would have been great here for me I guess 😄 Man I used to be all into 'read the manuals and rules first' action later, but now as I'm older - it's more the other way around 😄
Thanks for the patience and assists though, tells me of a welcoming community.
ionic fern
That's what we're here for.
Well, that and a lot of arguing with people throwing around weird feelycrafting i suppose.
ionic fern
Haven't we all.
lapis breach
Yeah, fun is important. After all this is a game for 12yos - says so on the box.
toxic geyser
ǝɯ puɐʇsɹǝpun uɐɔ sʎnƃ noʎ os pɹɐoqʎǝʞ puoɔǝs ʎɯ ǝsn oʇ ƃuᴉʌɐɥ ssɐ ǝɥʇ uᴉ uᴉɐd ɐ sʇᴉ sǝɯᴉʇǝɯos ɥɐǝʎ
lapis breach
Are they gonna reduce the amount of buttons the game's got again or are they gonna keep increasing buttons? 😄
lapis breach
ǝɯ puɐʇsɹǝpun uɐɔ sʎnƃ noʎ os pɹɐoqʎǝʞ puoɔǝs ʎɯ ǝsn oʇ ƃuᴉʌɐɥ ssɐ ǝɥʇ uᴉ uᴉɐd ɐ...
There's that outback slang again, so hard to decipher. Good on ya mate for knowning how to speak the down underish.
lapis breach
I always knew the australian wildlife was out to get you, insects and birds (cassowary) and all. But damn even the flora? Like the Gympie Gympie? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides
lapis breach
ǝᴉqɹɐq ǝɥʇ uo sƃɐus ǝɯos ʍoɹɥʇ oʇ ɟɟo 'ooɹ-ooɥ
Remember to turn on some Acca Dacca while ya barbie in ya budgy smugglers - cos we here in finland have no goddamn sun whatsoever anymore, it's all rain and darkness from here on our until maybe march or april 😐
lapis breach
I miss grabbing my wand after I ran out of mana on my dress wearing toon. No need for wands anymore I guess..
sick sentinel
new worlds gun is good
im only lv 15 but im upgrading mostly gun in that game
i am not crazy about thier shield abilities
daring marlin
yogi yearns for a true gun class in WoW
lapis breach
The gun class in GW2 always put me off from that game, is the only reason I stayed in WoW because there wasn't any pistol gameplay.
daring marlin
what class yogi? gun
sick sentinel
i just kjnda 2ish that in the esrly game you get hints of a horror game and at max raid its a full on horror setting, only if your paying attention kinda thing
some kind teeth and edge and im gunna get you shit
theres all kinds of horrifc shit happenjng live forced sacrifices or somethjng, well, of course you aant to go stop who3vers doing that
everyone lives and has a tea party and shares feelings is just not gripping
toxic geyser
Llarold sometimes feels like his takes are a little cooked
At least some of the things he’s said about brew previously
I don’t know enough about prot to comment
waxen frigate
Are they gonna reduce the amount of buttons the game's got again or are they gon...
Try brewmaster
waxen frigate
Llarold sometimes feels like his takes are a little cooked
They are extremely cooked
Also I have a hilarious story related to Llarold that happened recently
daring marlin
Also I have a hilarious story related to Llarold that happened recently
YEAH?
lapis breach
I don't like monks in rpgs 😦 otherwise cool.
Hated D&D monks - I've always been a sword and board / basic magic wizard gandalfy type of guy.
waxen frigate
YEAH?
I can DM if you’re curious
It’s not so much a story as just a very funny thing that happened
lapis breach
Why not share here? 😮
waxen frigate
Reasons
sick sentinel
shit fuckin happens lmao
ppl get mad
cycle repeats endlessly
i have a thinkies about "let him cook" is cuz, it takes time for meal to cook and be ready, and if you cook it too long it just gets burnt
waxen frigate
i have a thinkies about "let him cook" is cuz, it takes time for meal to cook a...
Nah I don’t think so I’m pretty sure it’s a breaking bad reference
opaque quest
@waxen frigate Do i use Chi Wave on CD? Spell seems useless to me. Basically no dmg or am i missing smth
waxen frigate
You use it to ranged pull or if you’re forced into range by a mechanic
Like I press it when rashok leaps away if it’s far
opaque quest
Thats what im doing. Do i still use it in "close combat"?
waxen frigate
Almost never
opaque quest
Aight. Thanks
waxen frigate
It’s last resort bottom prio free filler
sick sentinel
this is my NW weapons so far at lvl 15
the fps, im not sure, it doesnt appear to be reading it right, or there is some issue with pc, who the hell knows.
modern brook
this man has lvl 1 blunderbuss and expecs us to believe hes a doom fan
sick sentinel
ya well im lvl 15
i dont evne know if i can get blunder bus lvl 15
the climnbing anywhere anything in this game feels really good
urban portal
yogi posts everything but WOW here
modern brook
#protection-and-yogi
jagged pier
Let him cook
sick sentinel
yeah well, i mean i love pwar but others is best friends too
hazy bronze
We fucking love yogi
sick sentinel
+20 sounds too much painful for my puny brain
heroic mythic raid
fuck it, dont want to do them lmao
sick sentinel
challenge racing is bullshit
hardy snow
bad thing about challenge mode is that its only in Dragon Isles races, not for Kalimdor or Easter Kingdoms 
sick sentinel
well i post here cuz my only character with more than 100 hrs is pwar
so like
its not like im not going to play on him
just... its .... put shield block up, don't tunr back to enemy, kick, reflect,
ah, we win
inland raft
I mean all tanks are pretty simple
blazing condor
just... its .... put shield block up, don't tunr back to enemy, kick, reflect,
as opposed to what rly lol
Its all pretty much variations of that
Use defensives and stay alive
lusty tiger
I mean all tanks are pretty simple
Tell that to all the mythic raid tanks that lose threat who get complained about in here
inland raft
That just shows they are shit compared to their cotank
Couple button dps rotation and press defensives, mechanically tanks are the simplest role
lusty tiger
Yeah but they’re also expected to not make mistakes in high end content
DDs make mistakes all day
blazing condor
Theres also only 2 tanks
And like a million dps
And the gravity of a tank fucking up a mechanic is often worse
lusty tiger
inland raft
Stopped raid tanking long ago and then gsve up raiding altogether because couldnt be assed to play wow that regularly
Now just do keys with friends when they want and thats extent of my wow life
waxen frigate
Tanks also see the same mechanics every pull
A Dps might not see a mechanic even after 100 pulls
Just due to rng
sullen gust
This might be a stupid question but I've seen a lot of talk on YT about permanent augment runes, is that like an extra consumable I'll need to buy? The item tooltip (on ptr) says it lasts an hour but the item is called permanent?
opaque quest
Permanent = not consumed upon use
sullen gust
Oh that makes a lot of sense, thank you!
final mist
Ppl play turtle and do 30k dps
"Playing turtle" doesn't make sense, because for all tanks doing more damage helps you be tankier
They're just bad players
Bad tanks just get away with more because it's very easy for a cotank and a team of healers to carry a bad tank, whereas a bad dps or healer is much more visible
cerulean tusk
PuG tanks do at least 50k DPS, ya better slap your mates into shape
cerulean tusk
Yep, you get kicked if you point it out 
opaque quest
How dare you be toxic and not want to boost ppl for free
modern brook
Yeah but they’re also expected to not make mistakes in high end content
in total fairness tank mechanics are the biggest fucking joke in wow
modern brook
for like 80% of fights in a given raid, if your tank is the reason for a wipe and you're past like pull 10, he needs a talking to.
lusty tiger
100%
waxen frigate
there’s 2 types of fights
Tank fights and non-tank fights
Usually there’s like 1 or 2 per tier
That are tank fights
modern brook
yeah the rest are taunt on stacks
waxen frigate
This tier it’s Zskarn and Sark
And sark is only a one tank fight
It’s just whoever does the transition
Zskarn is both though, all about the movement and positioni mg
Last tier brood was the tank fight
And somewhat kurog
modern brook
yeah
daring marlin
modern brook
also true
waxen frigate
Same as Sark but easier
modern brook
rare gilf selfie
waxen frigate
And even Sark now that I’ve done it quite a few times is pretty simple
But I prob took a dozen tries to get it down
waxen frigate
Once it was down though it was down
modern brook
https://youtube.com/shorts/3YC_Cezk5Ng?si=yUyDQTo-KQ93zQ4a
smh days off are for losers. left worka t 10pm yesterday -> leg day
waxen frigate
You know what’s weird to me btw
P3 of both Rasz and sark have felt like the easiest parts
Although I didn’t fully prog sark
jagged pier
Because they are
waxen frigate
It’s just weird
jagged pier
Have to get through the hard parts
waxen frigate
Like you wipe a shitload early on
jagged pier
They just front loading prog
waxen frigate
And then it’s like oh it just falls over?
Like I literally have never had a p3 Rasz wipe
jagged pier
Noone likes spending 6:45 mins on a boss just to wipe 300 times to the hard bit
waxen frigate
In 4 kills and 300+ pulls
waxen frigate
Noone likes spending 6:45 mins on a boss just to wipe 300 times to the hard bit
Well 2nd intermission on Rasz was a bit spicy
jagged pier
It makes progress far longer if the hard parts at the end
waxen frigate
But yeah p1 and the second shield iirc were the hard parts
Especially on a long ass fight like Rasz vs a 7min like Sark
We also had a period early in prog where we struggled to beat the second ice add cast on the left in i1
jagged pier
I dunno the guild i was in at the time kinda destoryed p2 intermission tbh
night heron
Quick question : I currently have 22% crit and 23% vers
I've read that overall both stats are somewhat equal, but specifically for keys around +27 and above, should I try to prioritize more crit or more vers? I know crit helps more with melee damage in big packs, but I feel like vers could help surviving non blockable damage which is what pwarr can struggle with.
jagged pier
Well if you stop mpre damage with crit for instances your IP will do more against the non blockable damage
modern brook
Quick question : I currently have 22% crit and 23% vers
I've read that overall b...
I would say your energy would be better spent looking at logs and vods for gameplay mistakes
jagged pier
Also that
rich wyvern
Noone likes spending 6:45 mins on a boss just to wipe 300 times to the hard bit
Ye tbf, thinking about it this way I’m glad that they’re frontloading the hard mechanics
night heron
I would say your energy would be better spent looking at logs and vods for gamep...
Yeah I would do that but it's the end of the season and I can't be bothered to spend time look at logs for now 😅
I just play keys from time to time and I was wondering if I should craft my 447 ring with haste vers or haste crit basically
night heron
Well if you stop mpre damage with crit for instances your IP will do more agains...
That seems interesting, could you explain to me how it works and what you mean by stopping mpre damage with crit?
rich wyvern
Yeah I would do that but it's the end of the season and I can't be bothered to s...
It doesn’t make enough difference to think too hard about it
rich wyvern
That seems interesting, could you explain to me how it works and what you mean b...
% of damage dealt adds to your ignore pain. More crits = higher damage = more value added to ignore pain
modern brook
That seems interesting, could you explain to me how it works and what you mean b...
Parried melee do 0 damage so they don't steal ip absorb from non parry-able sources of damage.
rich wyvern
That too
modern brook
Ie: stuff verse reduces
Non haste secondaries are such a wash it's hardly worth discussing tbh.
strong forum
Also vers is over 10% more costly to get 1%
180 crit = 1% crit
205 vers = 1% vers
But as stated before, doesn't make a huge difference
modern brook
In fairness most stats would be good if they were boosted by like 50%
strong forum
Blizz made vers alot more costly specifically to avoid bfa s4 again
And ontop of that they introduced the stat DR
night heron
Ooh I didn't know about vers being more costly, that's interesting
And yeah I forgot crit does more damage than vers so it's better for IP fueling
Thanks for all the answers and details about mechanics, even if it's not really a big gameplay difference I'm glad I now know more about how it works
rich wyvern
Ooh I didn't know about vers being more costly, that's interesting
And yeah I fo...
It’s because you get the damage reduction “for free” otherwise
night heron
Yeah understandable
uneven mason
Blizz made vers alot more costly specifically to avoid bfa s4 again
But the meme will endure for eternity
lusty tiger
💯
chilly brook
I tried a bunch of dungeons yesterday and I've been treating last stand more as ...
Glad to hear you’re no longer having issues
sick sentinel
how do i know you guys are real ppl and not ai computer machines
and that this chat isn't figment of imagination
opaque quest
You know what other meme will endure for eternity?
lusty tiger
how do i know you guys are real ppl and not ai computer machines
we've all failed the turing test
errant leaf
<@131897531251556352> this one
Exposed 
waxen frigate
Vers is the most cringe stat
It’s so fucking lame
Zero interesting interactions
It’s just a flat modifier zzz
Haste and crit have breakpoints and stuff like dodge/parry, gcd timers, etc to interact with
Mastery is… sometimes cool sometimes just vers
opaque quest
They could remove vers and mastery from 90% classes give the class a %aura and 99% of us wouldnt even notice
Itemiztation on point just as Diablo 4
waxen frigate
Mastery shouldn’t be removed
They should just fix like
Most of them
So they aren’t super lame
Like BDK mastery, brew mastery, pog
Other tank masteries… not pog
(Although I wish brew’s had a better offensive component)
warm plinth
Remember when we had resilience so we didn't have to give a fuck about having pvp stats in our pve gear 
Mastery as an idea is really cool but their execution of it is fucking lame.
sick sentinel
why not just get rid of versa and put versa into mastery, put some replacement
warm plinth
Because putting vers into mastery just means mastery will end up even more lame because it'll have more value than any other stat.
Or require like 600 rating for 1% or some bullshit
uneven mason
You know what other meme will endure for eternity?
Speaking of Nimchip
warm plinth
toxic pewter
still not sure why when during a time where warriors have the least utility of any class, we get nerfed heavily to our rally, zero compensation for the nerf, just straight up weaker than we have ever been in the utility department. Where is the outrage? Where is the prot warrior community speaking out about this? For shame
warm plinth
Probably because rallying cry is kinda lame anyway tbh lol
toxic pewter
Yeah but we got nothing in return for this 50% nerf
Meanwhile we still cant even deal with certain affixes
uneven mason
still not sure why when during a time where warriors have the least utility of a...
The fotm rerollers are all elsewhere, veteran warriors are used to senseless nerfs, also doesn't impact our personal survival or damage so, whatever
toxic pewter
I am very unsettled by this revelation
opaque quest
Pretty sure blizz doesnt want me on brew. Ive now done 2 full HC runs. 2 full dawn Myth runs, 3 weekly event HC caches and im still 423
waxen frigate
Well, at least you can dwarf off the bullshit bleed now? 🙃
Yay more things to continue making dwarf brokenly strong over any other race
🙂
toxic pewter
Pretty sure blizz doesnt want me on brew. Ive now done 2 full HC runs. 2 full da...
I am not OK with it
opaque quest
Me neither. Might just take the week off and delete the monk
waxen frigate
Haha racials don’t matter 🙂 unless you like m+ 🙂 then you’re trolling by not playing dwarf 🙂
opaque quest
25€ race change makes bobby drop another reins of the super yacht
warm plinth
Idk why people are so bothered by not being able to deal with the affixes tbh
Just means I get to turn my brain off on those weeks 🤷
daring marlin
Just means I get to turn my brain off on those weeks 🤷
TRRRRRRUUUEEEEEEE
waxen frigate
Just means I get to turn my brain off on those weeks 🤷
Just means everyone else gets to decline you to their groups
But also same
daring marlin
It's a team environment fam
uneven mason
Like we're so far behind in the utility bucket that making our 1 trick less of a trick isn't going to really change anything
warm plinth
I mean as a tank though? Tanks rarely do them anyway.
waxen frigate
“Oh nooo haha incorp week? Guess you guys gotta deal with that”
waxen frigate
I mean as a tank though? Tanks rarely do them anyway.
True
opaque quest
Got taken into 17 yesterday with my shitty tank just because i can para incorp kek
Feelsgood having utility after being DK/Warr main for 20 years
uneven mason
Lazy fuckin dps
opaque quest
But what am i saying. Death grip best utility according to blizz devs
daring marlin
grip owns
uneven mason
But what am i saying. Death grip best utility according to blizz devs
It's not nothing
opaque quest
daring marlin
duh dk owns
opaque quest
AMZ isnt utility
opaque quest
Its rp cheat for breath 
uneven mason
But I get apbs point, warriors have had more utility taken away over the years than the other classes
opaque quest
Make stormbolt crit for 5 mil again on bosses
Problem solved
No warr will ever complain again
toxic pewter
Yeah I mean this nerf is harsh too, imo its a hard nerf
uneven mason
I'd rather have gag order back
toxic pewter
I just wish we got some compensation.. perhaps let us get rid of bleeds again or something
uneven mason
Yeah I mean this nerf is harsh too, imo its a hard nerf
Betting they think it heals because new devs can't be fucked to play the classes
opaque quest
New devs all play lock. Thats why they get reworked every 5 months
uneven mason
New devs all play lock. Thats why they get reworked every 5 months
Shadowpriest
opaque quest
That too
uneven mason
Most reworked spec of all time
uneven mason
Shadow priest is literally a different spec every tier for the last 3 years
Yup, longer back than that
waxen frigate
I’ve only been playing for 3 years
opaque quest
Should probably just remove the skill trees and give us all the legion speccs back
uneven mason
Every other patch since cata
waxen frigate
So didn’t want to make assumptions
hollow flower
Random question to the ptr gamers
Are waycrest manner Doors still random?
toxic pewter
they all open
lusty tiger
Meanwhile we still cant even deal with certain affixes
based take
hollow flower
they all open
So you can Just Take the best thats very nice
uneven mason
So you can Just Take the best thats very nice
Fuck that I'm going double witch hunter plague hallway
hollow flower
I never played the Dungeon but was horrified thinking about learning 4 different routes
uneven mason
The horror is going to be fort weeks
Wcm at +10 was like hitting a brick wall on fort weeks
Gonna be next seasons uld
toxic pewter
anyone know if the bleed in throne of tides is rough or what
uneven mason
anyone know if the bleed in throne of tides is rough or what
It's dwarf able so no fucks given
toxic pewter
I am not dwarf anymore i switched off
I cant play any race where my thunderfury goes through the ground
uneven mason
Sounds like a problem you can fix for 30$
toxic pewter
i have race changes available but i just cant do it
uneven mason
But yes, that bleed fuckd
toxic pewter
damn
ok this is the compensation we should get:
Bitter Immunity can clear bleeds again
what you think of that
uneven mason
No
uneven mason
Bring back original inspiring presence
toxic pewter
we have gotten nothing since df launch
toxic pewter
I mean seems interesting but prob wont happen
uneven mason
For sure won't
toxic pewter
warrior needs to a rework
hollow flower
Well 14-16% dr is really nice for the bleeds
uneven mason
we have gotten nothing since df launch
Sure we have, they buffed defensive stance
hollow flower
We got a bunch of damage buffs this season
toxic pewter
They should make rally not be temporary hp after this nerf. what you think of that
that is a nice compromise
that seems fair
Like its weaker but doesnt drop off its a heal
hollow flower
How would that work
uneven mason
How would that work
When the buff fades you lose the value it increased your hp by
Last stand doesn't
hollow flower
Oh ok thats weird
uneven mason
So what apb means is make it raid last stand
hollow flower
I think its fine overall a Lot of those externals got nerfed
toxic pewter
yeah but we got a heavy nerf with zero compensation
hollow flower
Blizz just wants These Things to be less strong
uneven mason
We got a bunch of damage buffs this season
That was after they nerfed us below bdk
toxic pewter
why is this appropriate to nerf the class that brings some of the least utility
mighty valley
it was a blanket nerf across all raid survivability CDs, it's fine
toxic pewter
its not though? some classes hit hard by this
uneven mason
it was a blanket nerf across all raid survivability CDs, it's fine
Shhh let him have his soapbox
mighty valley
it doesn't affect our desirability in raids at all, people will still want the same number of rallies
lusty tiger
let em cook
lusty tiger
toxic pewter
I am not just complaining though, I am bringing up real issues in the prot warrior community
uneven mason
Is it?
opaque quest
The real issue is that other tanks exist
lusty tiger
tru
opaque quest
lusty tiger
only 1 real and true tank
toxic pewter
Yeah, it is, when one of our main utility abilities is nerfed harshly when we already bring so little its not great situation
jagged pier
we bring a whole other buff to the raid
uneven mason
My reaction to the RC nerf was "oh that's all?
opaque quest
Dont tell him about shout
uneven mason
Its strange you guys are not with me on this tbh
Because it has basically zero impact
toxic pewter
Yeah but wheres the compensation
lusty tiger
they want healers to do more
i dont
jagged pier
wheres the compensation for dh for instance?
there isnt one
their cd got nerfed too
dusky canopy
Just remove all buttons from the game so it’s equal
uneven mason
Just remove all buttons from the game so it’s equal
1 button
hollow flower
Only Auto attacks
uneven mason
Only Auto attacks
Have you met my lord and Savior EverQuest?
jagged pier
but last i checked it was a nerf
toxic pewter
I swear I read darkness is now stronger going into 10.2
Just strange, other classes get nerfed and they stand up when it is unjust.. either way, I guess I will table it for now, I have spoken my piece
uneven mason
What are you talking about?
Nooooo
mighty valley
in raids, darkness is now 15% chance to avoid instead of 20%
toxic pewter
The rally changes?
Yah heavy nerf to one of our core utility abilities that we already have few of
uneven mason
toxic pewter
in raids, darkness is now 15% chance to avoid instead of 20%
Is it different in parties or something, fair enough about raids I guess I misread it
like 30% in a party or some crap
waxen cradle
OH GREAT now you've done it.... grabs popcorn and sets back
uneven mason
It never ends
dusky canopy
They want healing utilities to be less impactful so that healers have to spend more time healing
It’s fine
rain ivy
Bit of a high level mechanics question— does the game still remember your last known orientation and position while you're mid-jump?
Like, used to be you could jump directly through an enemy's hitbox and mouseturn before landing, and you'd be able to turn that enemy quickly without ever exposing your back. That still a thing?
blazing condor
how do yall hold sark in the phases?
some ppl prefer to pull to middle in p3
some at edge
idrk
dusky canopy
Our tanks go to edge
uneven mason
Bit of a high level mechanics question— does the game still remember your last k...
No, server updates are handled at a much faster pace now
rain ivy
No, server updates are handled at a much faster pace now
👍 ty
uneven mason
You'll eat a punch to the back of you try that
rain ivy
Gotcha. So, no more picking up extra packs with a jump-mouseturn-heroic throw-mouseturn back maneuver anymore, either. Thanks!
uneven mason
Gotcha. So, no more picking up extra packs with a jump-mouseturn-heroic throw-mo...
I mean you only need them in your front 180
dusky canopy
Just strafe key and pick up mobs
rain ivy
yeye
uneven mason
Just strafe key and pick up mobs
☝️
toxic pewter
is it stronger for them or for the raid?
Ok I see your point and I agree rally is too strong for raids, but why is darkness getting a 100% increase for parties? Rally should get similar treatment, where it is stronger in party content (this has been mentioned and asked for before by me and others)
uneven mason
Wish they'd make heroic throw line if effect like moonfire
rain ivy
that would be sweet
dusky canopy
Ok I see your point and I agree rally is too strong for raids, but why is darkne...
I’d rather press SS than rally so just remove rally in 5 man content instead
toxic pewter
Yeah but you realize warriors already have trouble getting into groups?
dusky canopy
That is not because of rally
toxic pewter
its because we are seeen as not bring much utility
uneven mason
Yeah but you realize warriors already have trouble getting into groups?
Haven't noticed
toxic pewter
yeah but it certainly doesnt help us either now that its weaker
mighty valley
lmao, it's never ever been about utility
limpid ruin
Tank meta in keys has never been about utility as far as I can remember
uneven mason
Comps are about utility, pugs are about "meta or not"
toxic pewter
Right part of what makes certain dps specs meta is the utility they bring, I agree for tanks its not usually the case utility is the reason
dusky canopy
Tank meta is always what compliments the other 4 the best and or highest damage. Depends what the wall is in bleeding edge keys
uneven mason
Tank meta is always what compliments the other 4 the best and or highest damage....
☝️
toxic pewter
I guess I am just curious why it is appropriate to make our class worse just to make it so healers apparently have to do their job more? Meanwhile vdh is getting 30% darkness in parties while still bringing more utility than us as it is
going to make a forum post
dusky canopy
Rally is a hp boost to survive a large chunk of damage. It’s essentially useless in keys
toxic pewter
thats not true though
mighty valley
because game design isn't about cosmic justice, it's about making the right changes to achieve the goals for the game
toxic pewter
rally has saved me and my group many times tbh
dusky canopy
So worrying about it’s value compared to darkness is pointless
toxic pewter
its strange that people shit on rally so much also, it is a strong piece of utility
dusky canopy
No it isn’t
mighty valley
for raids, group survival CDs were very powerful and making it more difficult to design healer checks properly. ergo, they reduced the power of all of them for raid
toxic pewter
it is
toxic pewter
in keys it has helped my groups
now it will be even weaker
that is why we should get treated like darkness where its 100% more effective in party content
dusky canopy
You would have to scale a key to a level where a ability would onshot the entire group without rally active
You probably don’t need to worry about it
toxic pewter
I will go and make a forum post and I invite you all to join me in this endeavor to make prot warrior stronger
waxen cradle
All tanks have things they are great at and not as good at as others. Become the best you can become at what warriors excell at and try to not focus so much on what others can do that you can't
Grass is greener scenario is frequently a thing and tends to blind people's perception
dusky canopy
The duration of rally is also irrelevant in keys. Because a large chunk of ticking damage is covered by a healer cd and you won’t ever reach a key level where rally would make you survive two ticks without a heal in between anyway
daring marlin
based brew
dusky canopy
Realistic
daring marlin
Rally in keys 
toxic pewter
Rally in keys is no laughing matter
dusky canopy
Apb cooking
toxic pewter
if you arent using it, it is bad
daring marlin
dusky canopy
Sure press the button
dusky canopy
If your healer plays properly you don’t need it
daring marlin
When I played my Warrior in keys I did. It's pretty underwhelming in keys.
warm plinth
I rarely ever press it like...it's a buffer for big hits of damage that hit the entire group
warm plinth
And that's not really a thing in M+
dusky canopy
I rarely ever press it like...it's a buffer for big hits of damage that hit the ...
Yes it’s a buffer or “safety net”, good way to put it
toxic pewter
a party wide defensive which is very rare is continuously shit on its weird
dusky canopy
It’s not needed at all
You will never be brought as a warrior because you bring rally
warm plinth
Idk, I mean you're entitled to your opinion ofc, but I think you care more about this than RC deserves XD
toxic pewter
its just weird a core piece of our utility is continously shit on
by warriors too no less
warm plinth
If it was a core piece of our utility then you would think we'd care more
toxic pewter
right so just remove it from your bars
toxic pewter
just take it off your bars
daring marlin
ghash is printing Ws today
holy moly
It's not out of the ordinary just this many in a short period
warm plinth
You're gonna make me blush
toxic pewter
a party wide defensive is very rare in wow its just strange you guys dont value it that much
lusty tiger
excuse me sir have you filed those Ws with the irs
warm plinth
It's not a defensive though. Like if it was DR then sure
toxic pewter
and its gone on for a long time
warm plinth
But it's a max health buff with a temporary health gain
toxic pewter
it is a defensive
daring marlin
muh utility has never been core for prot warrior anyway
warm plinth
You don't even keep the HP it gives you
lusty tiger
muh utility has never been core for prot warrior anyway
SPEAR
spear for chargy jumpy mobs
daring marlin
whether prot warrior is good or not is whether they deep dick other tank dps
toxic pewter
yeah but for years rally has been shit on, now it is about to be the weakest its ever been since vanilla and everyone just tells me to stfu apparently
daring marlin
That's it
warm plinth
Who told you to stfu?
waxen cradle
I think the amount of time wasted discussing RC, that time could be spent elsewhere, maybe trying to become so good at other aspects of the warrior that..... the 1 in a trillion chance people cared about your RC use they would ignore it due to other things you do extremely well. But that is my opinion
lusty tiger
alright aob
toxic pewter
earlier people saying just let apb ramble, what he is saying doesnt matter, ignore his opinion basically
lusty tiger
post a log
toxic pewter
of wat
daring marlin
spear for chargy jumpy mobs
Yet weirdos prefer banner or AA
lusty tiger
wanna c how much RC use u got
lusty tiger
Yet weirdos prefer banner or AA
banner banner banner
daring marlin
😵
warm plinth
I mean, we disagree with you and you obviously aren't going to have your mind changed. So engaging doesn't make a lot of sense.
lusty tiger
did somebody say BANNER
toxic pewter
I mean, we disagree with you and you obviously aren't going to have your mind ch...
it goes both ways
daring marlin
god breath owns tho
toxic pewter
That is why communication is good and not trying to censor others is bad
jagged pier
so as ghash said theres no point in engaging
toxic pewter
why not
lusty tiger
you mean less interesting BoS?
ur so cringe im literally imploding
lusty tiger
you mean less interesting BoS?
u dont like 30% movespeed always YIKEs
toxic pewter
the conversation is not just for me and you guys
lusty tiger
god breath owns tho
facts
jagged pier
well i dont know how the conversation is going to help anyone
theres nothing constructive in the conversation itself
its not like blizz makes changes based on whats said in here
toxic pewter
Not true, I was discussing possible compensation for a heavy nerf we are about to incur.
jagged pier
and bliz isnt in this channel or discord
so how are the compensations going to get to them
u will have more luck posting on the forums
toxic pewter
I do forum posts and speaking with my peers for support and getting ideas
i do post in forums
I just made a comment in the ptr forums like 10 min ago
jagged pier
great youve done your job then, we dont see it as an issue so your not going to get any suggestions out of here
which i thought u would have noticed like 5 mins in
but okay
toxic pewter
Ok maybe not from you and other certain individuals but the discussion is out there for the lurkers and others to form their opinions at least
jagged pier
but u didnt even mention u posted on the forums in the first place
so how would they know it was on the forums?
toxic pewter
that is true I didnt mention it
it was just a comment about the rallying situation in a topic
I mean I dont mention everytime i comment in a forum
daring marlin
uneven mason
jagged pier
C:
lusty tiger
🤔
jagged pier
lusty tiger
these things i cannot deny
jagged pier
based
lusty tiger
thanks for the support ^^
uneven mason
inland raft
More importantly lets bring back heroic strike 🤡
jagged pier
actually true
lusty tiger
im down for cleave
uneven mason
Also, I believe Thyme won fat bear week so let's congratulate his mastery stacking victory for our rage bros
inland raft
True
uneven mason
just add cleave animation for revenge
But revenge isn't 360
jagged pier
nither is cleave
inland raft
Make whirlwind actually useful
uneven mason
Make whirlwind actually useful
No
inland raft
Spintowinprot
uneven mason
give us fury WW
Fury execute
jagged pier
and that
uneven mason
Give us titans grip w shields
inland raft
Dualwield shield spec
waxen cradle
The true memedream a dual shield wielding cannonball warrior
inland raft
Shield slam strikes twice
uneven mason
The true memedream a dual shield wielding cannonball warrior
Dual shield
waxen cradle
miss typed had to correct
uneven mason
Had a d&d character that used 2 shields and armor spikes
lusty tiger
polearm + shield
toxic pewter
the new legendary should of been a polearm with str or agi on it that switches depending on spec
waxen cradle
the amount of bitching I have read about it already is plenty for me thanks
uneven mason
I mean legendary shield when
waxen cradle
^^^^this
toxic pewter
having a single tank be able to use the legendary will go down as another big L for wow and df in particular
lusty tiger
I mean legendary shield when
legendary force reactive disc
inland raft
Inb4 shaman leggo shield
uneven mason
having a single tank be able to use the legendary will go down as another big L ...
Big W for warriors tbh
inland raft
To rub it in our faces
uneven mason
Inb4 shaman leggo shield
mighty valley
have we seen the legendary yet?
jagged pier
nope
toxic pewter
Big W for warriors tbh
how is it a win for prot warr though
uneven mason
Because we have 2 specs who can use it
toxic pewter
yeah thats true
inland raft
Off topic i want to buy a new knee… im so bored at the gym today doing auper light weights cuz had reconstructive surgery and still hurts too much to do anything real
daring marlin
Give us titans grip w shields
waxen cradle
That nevers stops people from bitching about who will not be able to use a legendary or get it... luckily I always bring a healthy supply of idgaf with me
daring marlin
Off topic i want to buy a new knee… im so bored at the gym today doing auper lig...
oof
that's some shit
What'd you do!?!?
uneven mason
What'd you do!?!?
Superhero landing
waxen cradle
lol
toxic pewter
That nevers stops people from bitching about who will not be able to use a legen...
nah I just think they had an opportunity to let 3 tanks use it if it was a polearm and they missed it heavily. Even with the 2h from the jailer guardians used that shit. This version no chance anyone but a single tank can use it. its just bad business for the tank scene in general
inland raft
Well 12 years afo it got blown up and irs been an issue since but finally just completely gave out while running back in april
At least this time they did surgery so hopefully eventually will be good
daring marlin
yeesh
uneven mason
Exploding knee not fun
Mines shit but hasn't given out yet, yay 3 years hs football
waxen cradle
Get a bionic super knee then you can become a super hero
inland raft
Im told i ran on it with my kneecap off to the side and down the leg a bit back then i dont remember much of it
daring marlin
Worst I have is a bum shoulder from an 80s snowmobile nearly crushing me 13 years ago which was sick
inland raft
Should have been fixed then but it was the army
mighty valley
we don't really know yet how much the legendary will do for BDKs specifically, decent chance it doesn't do enough to make them meta
toxic pewter
lol
daring marlin
we don't really know yet how much the legendary will do for BDKs specifically, d...
It'll all come down to tuning of course
waxen cradle
I should not joke though I know the pain, my old job had me tear the muscles that wrap around my left shoulder put me out of work for a month
mighty valley
even with gavel it took an insane tier set to make them the only tank
toxic pewter
its just wild how they didnt go polearm.. literally the druid patch too lmao. what a miss
inland raft
I should not joke though I know the pain, my old job had me tear the muscles th...
Nah back in 2011 i was begging them to take the leg off lol, only person who ever beat me in the 2 mile had bionic legs
But all they did was push knee back in place took as much metal out they could and stitched it up and put me on toc detail for 2 months
grizzled nova
its just wild how they didnt go polearm.. literally the druid patch too lmao. wh...
Why would fyrakk use a druid weapon
uneven mason
I should not joke though I know the pain, my old job had me tear the muscles th...
Are you me? I shredded my shoulder loading water pumps onto a truck when someone put a 4" pump with the 3" pumps, was tossing them up one armed but there a 75lb difference between the sizes, so my body turned but my shoulder stayed where it was
grizzled nova
guardian/feral have quasi leggo this tier, resto/balance have quadi leggo next tier
toxic pewter
Why would fyrakk use a druid weapon
they easily could of made it some crazy badass fire polearm. there are zero instances we have even seen him with a 2h axe lmao
uneven mason
Druids have customizable boomkin forms, trust me, they're not worried about the lego
toxic pewter
my point is its just a miss from a tank perspective to give a single tank a legendary
massive L
grizzled nova
so then why would a polearm make more sense
uneven mason
toxic pewter
polearm that switches str or agi based on class
daring marlin
clearly the intention is to throw a bone to the plate melee
inland raft
This, bdk just a lucky bystander
uneven mason
clearly the intention is to throw a bone to the plate melee
Clearly it's because Chris Metzen plays a ret paladin
daring marlin
i guess ret pally would lose out if it was a polearm
ret uses polearm
toxic pewter
oh
waxen cradle
Yeah the shoulder injury is still a bitch even after a few months of light duty and continual movement therapy it still pops like a bitch and can't lay on it without it going numb
toxic pewter
lol yeah damn
uneven mason
i guess ret pally would lose out if it was a polearm
Paladins can use polearms
daring marlin
Yeah the shoulder injury is still a bitch even after a few months of light duty ...
Mine still pops but I don't get that yikes
toxic pewter
i guess if it was a polearm it would just be too many specs that can use it i guess
uneven mason
Yeah the shoulder injury is still a bitch even after a few months of light duty ...
Took 10 years for mine to heal fully
inland raft
Took 10 years for mine to heal fully
Did it heal completely or did you just become accustomed to new normal?
daring marlin
dead hangs and other mobility stuff keep me goin tbh
uneven mason
Did it heal completely or did you just become accustomed to new normal?
I have full range of motion without tension or pain
lusty tiger
shoulder and knee injuries are the worst ever
inland raft
Facts
uneven mason
Pretty sure it took 10 years because I kept working out an irritating it
waxen cradle
It "technically healed", it pops a lot if I rotate it which is well alot because working and not using your shoulder is rough but the numbness is if I lay on that shoulder too long
inland raft
Pretty sure it took 10 years because I kept working out an irritating it
Ya taking it easy is the solution its why even though i hate it im doing super light workouts mostly to just stretch the knee
Even though as a long time gym goer i know nobody looks but it feels bad benching 3x what can squat lol
lusty tiger
it is motivation killing having poop lifts because of an injury
waxen cradle
I take muscle relaxers regularly for it so I got used to it
inland raft
My oh press is as much as my squat now but gotta take it slow
waxen cradle
Also bulged a disc is my lower back so that's fun, but again muscles relaxers help, and makes laying on it not hurt so much
daring marlin
Upper body more fun anyway
waxen cradle
I HATE taking too many different pills for things so I try and let it go
inland raft
Ya i hate meds
But i do wish could have taken oxy after surgery. Im immune to opiates something genetic idk im no scientist so they dont do anything for me dont help with pain and dont get me high
It sucked
waxen cradle
Mainly I have full use of it, like I said it just pops a lot if I rotate it and if I lay on it too much it starts hurting bad and can go numb on that side, but muscle relaxers help when it hurts bad enough that I say okay I need to take something.
I mainly am just careful to not reinjure it to the point that I go back to needing pain killers or to be out of work
I have not needed therapy for it in quite a few months so I feel I have a good routine to keep it from becoming a recurring injury
inland raft
Popping could indicate scar tissue build up or arthritis
Could be as simple as just needing minor operation yo scrape it out
waxen cradle
yeah true trying to avoid that if I can
more time out of work and all that entails
have a bad knee also but I learned how to deal with that, it does not need surgery, just a lot of jobs that were punishing to the knees in the past. So until it becomes a issue I ignore it
waxen cradle
Plus I dont go to the doctor unless I have to
inland raft
Doc was straight up about it too said from get go its by far worse joint to have surgery on
Didnt help that mine was a mess girst surgeon declined to do the surgery and had to refer me to some 35 year specialist because said was too complex
waxen cradle
Yeah my mother had knee replacement surgery I saw what that was like, and was like yeah I will ride it out for now. Was a lot of therapy before she could walk normal again
Plus all I went through with my shoulder.... talk about a return to a unpleasant experience if I were to have my knee worked on
inland raft
But id imagine preemptive would be better then after it gives out on its own since often the bones and such get damaged on top of just the surgery itself
But ya i get the hesitation. Im only 32 but my bodys been through hell, been shot, blown up, years of abuse to the body in general from work, etc and the knee is by far has been the worse
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Yeah that is true and it is food for thought for sure. On the fence about whether I will wait to have it corrected until it is required or fix it before it gets that far. Its up in the air
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Mainly I have just worked really hard in my life time already and my body has payed for it.
I am one of those push myself to the breaking point kind of people and I have always had jobs that required a lot of physical strain on the body. The money has been great, but I payed no attention to the cost down the road. Ah well live and learn I guess.
What game is that image from ?
Can picture it now, dual wielding shields, you come flying in and slam into the ground, do a bunch of AoE damage and then double shield slam. The enemy just disintegrates.
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lmao
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awesome LOL
ok never played dark souls not gonna lie, may have to give it a try now
daring marlin
The most recent pic is Elden Ring
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Was never interested in it, that just sparked my interest if only to dual wield shields