protection

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

its nerfed now

[sick sentinel]

They nerfed SKS set?

Fuck me

[chilly brook]

Sure, we’re not looking the best in single target

But we’re looking good for keys

[jagged pier]

yes its cool we doont loose dps from it not but it doesnt put us close to before

we will do fine it keys

[chilly brook]

And I doubt we will have any issues in raid

[jagged pier]

but as nome said the other day we low in aoe damage as well

🤷

[sick sentinel]

I mean, as long as I can still bleed people in pvp that's all I care about

[chilly brook]

Damage aspect might be lackin

But there are significant key pushers who are thinking we’re in a pretty good spot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

but they also dont know how to play the spec

[chilly brook]

Which I get omegalul key players who don’t play the spec

[jagged pier]

and they just dont mention that bdk hasnt got its one mega piece of gear yet

and they all attributing VDH to the rework when its just parry

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, BDK will absolutely dominate the meta methinks

[chilly brook]

Ehhh I mean dorky mentioned parry being the thing

In fact his whole position is it’s kinda meh except for the fact that you single handedly control packs for 30 seconds straight

[jagged pier]

ah yes dorki the man whos top damage was the prot set

not SS

[sick sentinel]

I mean, Prot Set is money

[chilly brook]

Hey I’m just saying he’s not really freaking out over DH

[sick sentinel]

But yeah, SS is MVP

[chilly brook]

Everyone always a doomer about warrior

[jagged pier]

i never said it was bad?

[untold tangle]

Hey guys. How bad is it if I take Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray? I'm having difficulty keeping shield block up 100% and this makes it easier

[chilly brook]

No very bad

[sick sentinel]

Git gud

[jagged pier]

i mean its very much overkill

[chilly brook]

You should have no issues with shield block uptime currently if you have tier set

[jagged pier]

like the class is designed that u have 100% with 3 block talents

doesnt matter which 3

but going for 4 means your just loosing power for literally no reason

[chilly brook]

You’re either not pressing your buttons that give you block

[jagged pier]

as have block uptime should literally be brain dead

[chilly brook]

Or you’re not pressing shield slam enough

In which case, heavy repercussions doesn’t help anyways

[untold tangle]

I may just need some more practice then as I'm fairly new to tanking this expansion. I tend to press shield block too early

[chilly brook]

Shouldn’t matter that much

Are you sending last stand on cooldown?

Are you pressing shield charge on cooldown?

[untold tangle]

No and no probably. Yeah there's other ways of getting shield block, still getting used to that lol

[chilly brook]

Better yet do you have logs?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, logs actually help a lot

did anyone check out my bdk lfr log and see why we wiped

[chilly brook]

As to what your answers were, yeah if you’re not pressing those buttons you’re going to have a rough time with shield block uptime

[untold tangle]

I don't have logs yet as I only found out I'm rerilling for the next tier yesterday

[sick sentinel]

i did echo of meltharion and he enraged basically

at like 35%

[untold tangle]

Gotti rewire my brain to use those abilities as a shield block backup

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BL6AKwahMTHCmyWN#fight=last

[untold tangle]

It's probably just practise then. I'll get on it

[chilly brook]

You should just be pressing them on CD it’s not a backup really

Shield charge does good damage

[sick sentinel]

im not entirely clear what went wrong the, but, lfr, bad talents, not my main etc

[chilly brook]

And last stand if you’re not sending it on CD you’re losing out on a good amount of damage and a lot of the tier set

[sick sentinel]

Shield Charge is so good I mulch people in pvp with it

[violet ginkgo]

griff we also just double press that shield block at start of the fight?

[untold tangle]

Gotcha.

Thanks guys. Whe. I have some logs I'll post them but for now I've got some homework

[jagged pier]

u can but it could be a bad habit if they change uptime at all

[violet ginkgo]

so at the start of the fight we obviously shield charge first to initiate right then, last stand and shield block, then keep 1 charge "just in case" or just full send it?

[jagged pier]

the best use of shield block is u keep a charge until u run out of the buff

that doesnt really happen atm but it can if they nerf uptime

[chilly brook]

The sooner you last stand the sooner you get it back since every shield slam reduces its cooldown rn with tier

[sick sentinel]

You always want one spinning

[jagged pier]

like overspending SB when have excess shield block uptime is terrible habit

[sick sentinel]

Ye

And since Prot is the only War spec where Rage is cosmetic, it definitely matters

[chilly brook]

Nah arms rage is cosmetic

[sick sentinel]

I mistyped

I mean to say Prot's isn't

Fury is basically

And Arms 100% is

[plush tendon]

I feel like there are some gameplay issues with Arms and Fury; Arms has no great way to spend rage and fury... well their season 3 tier set to me looks meh

Prot is fun to play though 😄

[dusky canopy]

Slowly converting arms to a no resource spec

[chilly brook]

I would actually rage so hard

No pun intended

Arms should have a rage economy and you should have to do some thinking/budgeting

[lusty tiger]

take cooldown off ip

solved

[dusky canopy]

Hell no

[chilly brook]

Nah lol not solved

Cuz they gutted that button

[dusky canopy]

I don’t want to spam heal

[lusty tiger]

u dont wanna be immortal?

the only other option is bringing back something like heroic strike

[chilly brook]

IP shouldn’t have a CD since it costs rage for arms

CD only makes sense when it doesn’t have a rage cost

[dusky canopy]

You know how bad it is that ip costs rage and doesn’t reduce with AM

[lusty tiger]

bring that back too

[chilly brook]

And since they gutted it, they should just remove the rage cost now

[dusky canopy]

That incentives never wanting to press the button

[lusty tiger]

ip no CD & contributes to AM

now it is solved

[plush tendon]

spending rage on IP for damage is so weird to me

[warm plinth]

Maybe if their main damage button cost rage...lol

Leaned way too hard into overpower is the problem.

[strong forum]

just bring back focused rage

done

[warm plinth]

Gross

[strong forum]

????

wdym gross

it does literally what IP does except buff MS by 50/75% ontop

[plush tendon]

could also just increase the rage cost of MS and up its damage to

[warm plinth]

Just don't make the primary damage button free and adjust tuning accordingly. Or change the main damage button to one that actually costs rage idk

[plush tendon]

yea, we dont know

[strong forum]

i like overpower being free

like legit just adding focused rage would fix everything

arms literally doesnt exist outside of execute

this way you give it dmg before execute and a way to spend rage + it doesnt interfere with execute

[blazing condor]

Arms was fun in SL

Hella damage bursts

[strong forum]

ye arms was fun

[plush tendon]

I liked Kyrian Arms

with Smash->Spear combo

and Bladestorm WW spam

[hardy snow]

ive just got 1.6k cr in solo shuffle

[sick sentinel]

The Cult of the Prot grows

[hardy snow]

whats funny, at first round hunter asked me if im really going as a tank, in the end ive got 5 rounds, he got 1

[sick sentinel]

It always is the Hunters bro

The only thing that Hunters do is turtle and die by bleeds

[lusty tiger]

true and real

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

Tank pvp outside of BGs is cringe

And gross

[uneven mason]

Glory days of the original vengeance

"c'mon hit me, I dare you"

[lusty grotto]

If I was blizzard I would just ban tanks from arena and solo shuffle

And this is not a controversial opinion at all

[plush tendon]

tank specs have every right to be in PVP!

[lusty grotto]

No

Only BGs

So in about half of the pvp content

Don't get me wrong, I think tanks do well on non arena scenarios

And other games have actually tackled this quite well

Like Warhammer online and collision

But tanks in WoW's arena is just trolling

[lusty tiger]

u dont like guardian being s+ tier in 3v3s?

[lusty grotto]

Heh

I'd say the only way tanks would be a balanced arena class is if they were stripped from every defensive into dps wall cds and increased the damage they deal

In fact ffxiv does it quite well

[thin rain]

ff14 pvp kek

[lusty grotto]

A little bit way too tanky

But kinda well

Found the the person that hasn't played xiv pvp since the crystalline conflict pvp rework

As ex glad in wow and crystal ranked in xiv CC I think it's fun

It certainly wasn't before

But it's fun now

[waxen frigate]

PvPers

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

Yeah

EX GLAD

YOU'RE HOSED

[lusty tiger]

👴

[daring marlin]

OLD BUM SHOULDER BOOMER

[lusty tiger]

[daring marlin]

[lusty grotto]

hater

you want me to flex my crystal rank?

[uneven mason]

Does it even have pvp?

[lusty grotto]

ez

[lusty grotto]

why are you tagging the boomer wow andy one guy

[uneven mason]

Legit confused

I didn't know FFXIV had pvp

[lusty grotto]

it does

[uneven mason]

Not that I had ever looked

[lusty grotto]

it was absolute fucking garbanzo beans before they reworked it this expansion

[uneven mason]

But I got about 500 steps into the msq

[lusty grotto]

now its super fun

[uneven mason]

I think I'm almost to chapter 2

Found out I had like another 700 quests before unlocking dark knight so cancelled the sub

[lusty grotto]

at least you tried

[uneven mason]

Same reason I ended up as alliance back in cata...

Wife convinced me to try it

Also since they're going to start making bleeds no longer bleeds to 🖕dwarves probably going back to orc

[jagged pier]

where does it say that?

[daring marlin]

washedchip

[lusty grotto]

[hardy snow]

bleed from new mobs in throne of tides cant be dwarfed, but who knows wheter its intended or bug, and making speculations its gonna be new trend for all bleeds is weird imo

[jagged pier]

right so one bleed

like we've had in the past

cool

[lusty grotto]

Such janky decision making

[uneven mason]

Hey man, I went dwarf for one reason

[jagged pier]

so nothings actually changing

[lusty grotto]

Feels good to be back alliance side on my end though

So I'm probably not going back

[grizzled nova]

can evoker purge it?

[lusty grotto]

WoD, Legion, BFA and SL were enough as horde

[uneven mason]

Hey man let me justify my old man outrage at that one thing

[lusty grotto]

oh, go ahead

[uneven mason]

No, it's not classified as a bleed

[hardy snow]

according to recent wowhead post - they cant, if you bleed - you bleed

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[grizzled nova]

Sounds less like nerfing dwarf and more they just want this dot to have to be dealt with through mit and hps then.

[lusty grotto]

or...

its early

[hardy snow]

yup, or they just forgot to tag it as bleed or something, which wouldnt surprise me

[lusty grotto]

and they havent fixed it as a bug

[uneven mason]

Yeah, throne is going to have some janky pulls

[dusky canopy]

I already went back troll

[uneven mason]

Can't wait for the 6 caster pack to hit me for 5million

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf looks badass but being horde is better

[daring marlin]

[uneven mason]

Zugzug

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Tbh if I could use the orc heritage armor on my dwarf I wouldn't want to go

[sick sentinel]

is it true you are not supposed to wear watch on dominant hand

im watching some belluar video

[uneven mason]

Yogi, never change

[lusty tiger]

Hard to write with a watch on your wrist

[jagged pier]

i hate wearing a watch on my left even tho its my none dominant hand

so i still wear it on the right

just doesnt feel right

[uneven mason]

Does it feel left?

[lusty tiger]

Lmfao

[lusty tiger]

Same

So I just don’t wear a watch

[jagged pier]

^

[lusty tiger]

Kinda been wanting to though

[uneven mason]

The assumption is you do things with your primary hand and watches are great for getting hooked on objects/in the way

[dusky canopy]

You put watch on dominant hand so you get the extra “steps”

[lusty tiger]

🤔

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/benassi-satisfaction-nailing-satisfaction-gif-26090489

[uneven mason]

Especially with the giant fucking faces they put on zoomerwatches

[lusty grotto]

ngl

i share that peeve

i just have a old citizen that works and im gtg

[warm plinth]

I don't wear a watch because I have a phone.

[modern brook]

Watch goes on your left wrist unless you're a weirdo lefthander

Then idk give up I guess

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-angry-grandpa-gif-14233249

the fuck do you need a tablet on your wrist for jesus christ

[daring marlin]

I wear my watch on my non dominant hand.

[dusky canopy]

I agree though I wear mine on non dominant as well, left for me

[daring marlin]

It's useful for timers, HR, steps and tracking workouts for me.

[modern brook]

I have 2 dom hands because I'm built differently

[warm plinth]

I can do all that with my phone too

Except the heart rate I guess

[lusty grotto]

well you aint wrng

[sick sentinel]

BACK IN MY DAY, WATCHES ONLY TOLD THE TIME, NOT THE WEATHER AND BONNIE NEEDS TO PICK UP HER PERSCRIPTION FROM THE STORE, technology has gone too far this time you damn whippersanppers

[daring marlin]

Certainly not as accurate.

[lusty grotto]

its just fashion though so its personal

[daring marlin]

Plus, you'll inevitably set your phone down.

[uneven mason]

I had a 1988 fossil but my daughter "washed" it so now I have a 1988 fossil that always shows 1:27pm

[modern brook]

Bonus cause I can cope an extra 3k steps a day

[daring marlin]

I'm of the belief a smartwatch, oura ring or a whoop are all incredibly beneficial if you're trying to get and stay healthy.

[lusty grotto]

well my fitbit was dope

and it wasnt fucking huge

[daring marlin]

they are sleek

[warm plinth]

Idk. I don't think I'd be that pressed about a few hundred steps difference if I'm walking thousands

[lusty grotto]

im actually thinking of getting a pixel watch 2

[daring marlin]

Newer ones sorta remind me of apple watches tho

[warm plinth]

The smart watches just seem to be asking to get broke tbh

Broken

[uneven mason]

I thought about it, then bought a new GPU instead

[daring marlin]

They're a lot more durable than you'd think

[lusty grotto]

well i preordered the pixel 8 so its like 200 off

[sick sentinel]

smart watches will be the future

cuz smaller screen less battery required

reason to condense shit further

[uneven mason]

Fair warning, if they use the same pressure screen on the 8 as they did on the 7, it scratches really easy

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[uneven mason]

Put it in a case before you leave the store

[warm plinth]

As soon as you can tell me how to text and use apps effectively on a tiny ass screen, I'll believe you

[lusty grotto]

i just want to upgrade my pixel 6 cause the battery issues are tilting me

[uneven mason]

I literally set my 7pro down while opening the box for the protective case and it got a 2 inch scratch on the screen

[daring marlin]

My apple watch SE2 owns

[warm plinth]

My sister has the 7. She had issues with the first one and ended up having to get it replaced in like 3 months. The replacement has been fine though.

[lusty grotto]

fucking weird

[daring marlin]

I've had it for nearly a year and not a single scratch on the bitch

[lusty grotto]

are they not using gorilla glass anymore?

[uneven mason]

Might've been the first production run

[lusty grotto]

oh

[uneven mason]

I got my 7pro on release day

[lusty grotto]

well i did hear some people got it early

[sick sentinel]

i have galaxy s6 and tab 6 lite and a04e

as mobile devices

[uneven mason]

My wife's 6pro is indestructible

[lusty grotto]

my 6 is indestructible too

and the battery lasts the whole day its just i was expecting more

well whole day as in 9 hours at least

[warm plinth]

Yogi do you mean like, the s6 phone? Is that shit even 5g? Lol

[uneven mason]

The battery in the 7 is immortal

[lusty grotto]

lol ghash are you surprised

🫣

[uneven mason]

I Don't think it's even 4g

That's some ancient shit

[lusty grotto]

yeah mf is tagged

i got one of those

[warm plinth]

Skyhold is censoring me!

[lusty grotto]

a couple of days ago

[warm plinth]

Guess I delete so I don't get yelled at for circumventing lol

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

i aint deleting shit!

[uneven mason]

Also - my work was literally throwing a box of 3 year old iPads away because a customer cancelled the order and it was too late to return them to our supplier, so they got forgotten in a closet

[warm plinth]

I don't want to give mwahi a reason to think less of me

[uneven mason]

They're worth 50$ trade in on new ipads

[lusty grotto]

nice haul nice haul

[uneven mason]

What? Oh no I lit them on fire

Fuck ipads

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

At least that's the official story

[lusty grotto]

i mean theyre ok to give out to ancient people

[uneven mason]

"yup battery must've combusted"

[warm plinth]

Fuck apple in general tbh. Literally designing their products to be as proprietary as possible. Gotta give them credit though; they convince people to shell out $1500 a year for the same phone

[lusty grotto]

ive grown convinced that telling my parents android is okay was a mistake

well scratch that, i didnt say android was okay, i said it was better

[lusty grotto]

well at least they have usb c now LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[warm plinth]

Isn't that only because they have to though?

[uneven mason]

Only because they were an asshair away from being banned in the EU

[lusty grotto]

good

[warm plinth]

Changing their cables every 2 years. Fucking dumb

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[uneven mason]

They make 2000% margin on those cables

[warm plinth]

Like I don't pretend to care which phones are better or worse, but the company just does shady ass shit

[lusty grotto]

i mean i dont really hate apple stuff, i still have a macbook that i used to work on subcontracted

i just prefer android 🙂

and linux or windows

[uneven mason]

I remember opening a iPad and discovering that it literally didn't come with a plug adapter, just a 1foot thundercunt cable

[daring marlin]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

Wall adapter was 50$

[daring marlin]

They know how to make and save money bro

[uneven mason]

Dude at the store was like "I just plug it into my air book"

[jagged pier]

I hate apple always have, not only their business practices that have got worse and worse over the years. like member they made a huge thing of the new charger they 'made' which they didnt they had to use by law.
but more of the fact when the stuff first came out, and ppl used to argue with me that their macbook whatever was better than my laptop and pc (when they have no hardware knowledge or computer knowledge)

and their arguement was its apple

or oh its not designed to do that

[uneven mason]

The only thing apple wins at was their warranties

And even that has gone to shit in the last 10 years

[jagged pier]

they win and keep customers because once youve bought into apple u have to then get everything else to connect it all up

even tho every company did it too they were the worst at slowing down their old phones

[warm plinth]

Tbf I believe the no bricks thing is also a law thing because they were filling up landfills with them.

[lusty grotto]

anyone that claims x is better is just 🤷

[jagged pier]

yep

[warm plinth]

I don't think I've had a phone come with a brick in like 5+years

[uneven mason]

You're not kidding, my daughter got an iPad to run some software for school, and we have like 500 pictures on her tablet, when it broke we had no way to recover it. Even the data dump we couldn't open without some serious linux-fu

[lusty grotto]

but i AM convinced that ancient old people are just better on ios anyway

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's simpler and never really changes

[lusty grotto]

yea

[uneven mason]

Because it can't do anything

[lusty grotto]

the amount of times my parents call me to ask for some bs about their phone is 😡

[uneven mason]

It's like a fast food menu, I won't eat out with my parents anywhere that has more than burger steak or chicken on the menu

[daring marlin]

lmaooooo

[warm plinth]

Why is this technician over an hour late? Why do they have to overwork these people so much man

I do not miss it

[lusty grotto]

lmao this is true

[uneven mason]

Like I went to a Chinese place once with them

[warm plinth]

Just gotta go anywhere that doesn't season their food and you got old people paradise

[uneven mason]

And they spent an hour playing 200questions with the waiter

[lusty grotto]

my parents are hispanic so

its the other way around

if its not seasoned enough

[warm plinth]

I broke up with a woman once because she took two minutes to answer "what kind of cheese do you want on your burger?"

[lusty grotto]

kind of the same problem but opposite ends

[uneven mason]

Brad?

[warm plinth]

And I don't mean an exaggerated 2 minutes. I mean literally 2 minutes.

[daring marlin]

what kind of cheese would you like?

[warm plinth]

Poor waitress is standing there, I'm just staring down at the table screaming at her in my head, and she's just going "hmm, umm, hrm"

[daring marlin]

yes

[uneven mason]

NGL I had a roommate that said the same thing

"dude, she couldn't even choose cheese"

That's some mental baggage waiting to happen

[warm plinth]

I was just baffled. Like even... 20 seconds is too long

[uneven mason]

It's cheese

[warm plinth]

2 minutes was torture

[uneven mason]

It comes in two types, orange and white

When you're eating out

Beef - take the orange

Chicken - white

[daring marlin]

Love cheese

Don't eat it much anymore tho

[lusty grotto]

im a strict non yellow cheese guy, im sorry

white cheese with everything

[uneven mason]

I'm a non cheese guy in general

Because

[daring marlin]

I get most of my fat macros from eggs and butter

[lusty grotto]

lactose intolerant?

[uneven mason]

Every male member of my family as far back as is recorded

[daring marlin]

that blows

[lusty grotto]

how do you deal with that? is there like pills or something?

[warm plinth]

I would gladly glue my ass to the toilet seat and continue eating cheese

[uneven mason]

Yes, pills

[lusty grotto]

dang

[uneven mason]

It's unfortunate because my favorite dessert is cheesecake

[lusty grotto]

i know you also get it as you age, or so ive heard

[daring marlin]

based

Cheesecake is the king of desserts

[jagged pier]

u dont need pills u just have to be willing to have diarrhea for a day or feel sick for a day every 2 weeksish

or thats how it was with me

until i stopped

[lusty grotto]

damn that sucks

[jagged pier]

its generally not that bad

and u can stop being it and all sorts

[daring marlin]

just be like the mongolians

[uneven mason]

It actually got better when I went full protein diet for a month

[daring marlin]

pound dairy and be absolute savages

[jagged pier]

unluckily for me it went the other way and if i had any dairy i was just ill for a day after

[daring marlin]

Despite the vast majority of them being lactose intolerant

[warm plinth]

If you can't get people to gag when they open the bathroom door, what are you even doing with your life?

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

they don't give a fuck

lmaoooooo

[uneven mason]

Holidays were interesting, my brother's wife loved to Cook with cream and butter

Like, put it in everything

[lusty grotto]

😮

[warm plinth]

She single?

[chilly brook]

Put cream in frying oil

Watch chaos ensue

[inland raft]

#toilettankpov

[dusky canopy]

LOLOL

Literally my work place bro

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRn_XiK1u8 what a horror boss should look and feel like

for blizzard

to design better bosses

[dusky canopy]

Some of the dudes here are insane

[median tulip]

Is this comment designed to enrage Europeans or what?

[warm plinth]

I saw a picture on Facebook yesterday of Italian boba tea

It was water with mozzarella pearls in it

[left basalt]

Did yogi finish a 20 this season yet, that was a thing for a few months I don't think I saw an answer ever.

[median tulip]

I live in a country with 750 different types of cheese

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3mYCXnwZu4

thats the best i did

[warm plinth]

We were supposed to do a 20 with him a while back but he didn't seem into it, and then he started doing 18s and shit so I just figured it would happen naturally

[left basalt]

Nice job man!

[sick sentinel]

keys are just in a weird spot for me

its exactly what i want and don't want, all at once

[left basalt]

TYR keys last nigh in PUGS were spicy for sure

[sick sentinel]

it feels phoned in as hell rather than finely tuned in DF

crafted with love and care

[left basalt]

You mostly pug too right?

[sick sentinel]

i do

[warm plinth]

spectrum fixed my interwebz

[left basalt]

Yeah we smash keys with our full group, pugs are 50/50

[warm plinth]

[waxen frigate]

I wish they’d make WoW more like DOOM. Only the original though

[sick sentinel]

i mean, it is except for shareware lvl 20 is a tiny lvl cap

why not you can play to lvl 40 or 50

for free, forever

have to have 1 year old wow accou nt to speak or some shit

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207

[sick sentinel]

doom 1 and retail wow and classic wow as complete retail packages are great, and you are allowed to mod them if you want etc, great sounds music, effects etc

[lusty grotto]

well you know what game does that?

here i go again

ffxiv

[sick sentinel]

part of why doom was so beloved was that it was encouraged to be distrubted for free

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

doom is fanastic

[modern brook]

He specifies "is great"

[sick sentinel]

if you disagree go play it, and then sum up the levels you did and your issues you had with the game or level

[daring marlin]

Yogi stuck in the past

[waxen frigate]

So I found an issue in the third level with the second room

[lusty grotto]

no he def didnt

[daring marlin]

Like a bug stuck in amber

[waxen frigate]

The plot just doesn’t line up

[sick sentinel]

cuz its like, its so much modable and changable and good as a base that its either the modder is a dickhead or you suck at the game

[waxen frigate]

Like why am I there

[sick sentinel]

is the only reason you would die

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/mosquito-amber-preserved-bug-saved-gif-16076913

yogi^

[modern brook]

Checkmate nim

[modern brook]

Demons killed your bunny

[sick sentinel]

all u need to know

[lusty grotto]

i do not concede this victory

[lusty grotto]

imagine if wow free acounts went up to Wrath

oh wait

THATS CLASSIC LMAO

[daring marlin]

Bull hates good games

[lusty grotto]

base game + 2 expansions for free

its ok though just pay the sub, then pay the token to buy gear, ez

[sick sentinel]

im telling you if you want to argue with me in any fashion "doom bad" just, go play it, the map the difficulty, tell me why you had trouble, hell give me a log

[daring marlin]

Yogi loves buying tokens

Was he pogging out at 400k tokens?

[sick sentinel]

i don't know how logging works in doom but you ABSOLUTELY, can log in doom the same way you log in wow

[lusty grotto]

yes he was probably talking about wolfenstein 3d or something

[sick sentinel]

maps every tiny movement or shot you did

and then, i can watch the video/replay and then tell you, why you are bad at doom

[modern brook]

Your list of good games is league, ff14, cyberpunk, and halo tops

[sick sentinel]

ya, you guys wanna talk about my wow logs, wheres your doom replays

[daring marlin]

Halo top is ice cream bozo

[sick sentinel]

send yogi doom replays for review

[daring marlin]

yogi thinks he's the rock

talking in third person

[modern brook]

You don't even aim in doom games 2 ez

[mighty valley]

ff14 has to give you a free trial because it's illegal under international law to charge for a game that takes 100 hours to get good

[daring marlin]

doom is for boomers

[lusty grotto]

loll

[daring marlin]

play quake

[modern brook]

Based take

Quake owns

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[sick sentinel]

speaking of logging in doom:
its serious business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0ZRTlIXR0

[lusty grotto]

doom is just SP

[sick sentinel]

ummm

[lusty grotto]

how about we q2 rocket arena and shit

[sick sentinel]

deathmatcH?

hello?

[waxen frigate]

Fucking cheaters man

[modern brook]

Doom is a quake clone if we're being honest

[sick sentinel]

ever heard of it?

[waxen frigate]

They should be banned from the doom community forever

[sick sentinel]

doom is most certainly NOT single player game

[lusty grotto]

rail gun rocket all day baby

[daring marlin]

duke nukem>>>>>doom

[sick sentinel]

its a fantastic single player game but its pvp is good too

[daring marlin]

blow it out your assssss

[sick sentinel]

duke nukem = GIGACHAD

I GOT BALLS OF STEEL

[waxen frigate]

I think doom is overhyped. The most influential fps is either half life 2 or cod:mw

[median tulip]

When I was in school we made Doom .wad s for all of the school buildings.

The principal's office had an Archvile in it. The maths block was great for Deathmatches.

[waxen frigate]

Like doom is nowhere near as important as those games

[lusty grotto]

afk staring at duke nukem 3d hookers

[sick sentinel]

half life 2 is good but its very campy today

half life 1 is way better than 2

[median tulip]

Goldeneye

[sick sentinel]

the original

not the remake, not gold source or HD texture pack

[waxen frigate]

Half life 1 is ugly

And it lacks the character of hl2

[modern brook]

My man's out here sleeping on killing floor smh

[lusty grotto]

half life 1 was goated, it brought us CS

[waxen frigate]

But regardless modern warfare clears doom so hard

[mighty valley]

it's hard to measure influential...ityness but cmon, doom defined the entire genre

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfrCAhd4uJM

plz watch

u will shit ur pants

[waxen frigate]

Like doom basically would be nothing today without modern warfare

[modern brook]

True tbh

[lusty grotto]

[modern brook]

If it weren't for mw, no one would be playing shooters to give homage to doom

[mighty valley]

oh i see what we're doing

[waxen frigate]

Exactly

[mighty valley]

we're doing LIES as JOKES

[waxen frigate]

Like

Modern warfare saved fps

[modern brook]

These are just hard truths harrow

[waxen frigate]

Nobody would even remember doom

[modern brook]

Yogi would

[lusty grotto]

linkin park is the best death metal band that ever existed, period

[waxen frigate]

It would be like fucking battle toads

[median tulip]

https://youtu.be/OR4N5OhcY9s?si=coE6ZrKh7kpINPdJ

[daring marlin]

Only yogi

The doom superfan

[waxen frigate]

Shitty overwatch clone, next

[sick sentinel]

STOP PUTTING SEWERS IN YOUR FUCKING SHOOTERS

or they generally suck ass the worst basically

[lusty grotto]

but where will the poo and pee go?

[waxen frigate]

You’re right I’ll go back in time 30 years to let them know to stop

[sick sentinel]

fuckin, not in my game plz

[inland raft]

Yogi actually wrote doom

[modern brook]

Tfw doom has a level for doom to go in

[sick sentinel]

we HATE sewer levels

all of us

[median tulip]

Overwatch lacks the sheer comedy value of tf2

[sick sentinel]

every gamer ever

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but it has tracer butt

[mighty valley]

honestly hl2 + mw raised the standards and killed off all the fun cheap shooters and led us towards the giga expensive AAA industry we're in now

[median tulip]

This is precisely why I hated Tol Dagor

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHo1x70xPs4

[modern brook]

Overwatch? Is that the shitty brink clone?

[mighty valley]

BRINK

damn you were born for this bit

[waxen frigate]

SO REAL

SO REAL

SO UNBELIEVABLY BASED

[sick sentinel]

its kind of majestic, how much this man LOATHES, HATES, SEETHES at the thought of a sewer section of a game

[lusty grotto]

do you guys feel like there should be more sewer maps?

i think there should

[chilly brook]

Brink was cool man

[warm plinth]

Nish is back

Who let him in here

[daring marlin]

Everybody loves sewers

and swamps

It is known

[lusty grotto]

facts

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-dark-souls-gif-8364821

Any dark area tbh

[warm plinth]

Those dogs scared the bejesus out of me when I saw them the first time

[strong forum]

I want an underground cave raid

All raids for the past 3+ xpacs have been temples/castles of sorts

[median tulip]

It is Dark. You are in danger of being eaten by a Grue.

[warm plinth]

This is one of my DS1 characters

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-moon-gif-10973131198585528214

[warm plinth]

I call him baby face

I bet you can guess the name of my DS3 character

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAsJEySPrOI

i have been meaning to complete this game some day

[strong forum]

Lmao

They reworked rezan trinket

It's no longer mega haste proc

[warm plinth]

no?

[strong forum]

It's now the azerite trait that applies a bleed

[sick sentinel]

uhhh

[warm plinth]

the shit one? lol

[strong forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1161721517424509039/image.png?ex=65395479&is=6526df79&hm=4050bd54d2c79da19dd3a0375c696935767eee15e2a667d967f1aab4615eb7d0&

Yeah

[warm plinth]

oof

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

[sick sentinel]

i mean, at least its on theme

both effects make sense, this one just makes more sense

[strong forum]

Yeah but this one is shit

[warm plinth]

Yeah it was at least a decent trinket before

Now it's just ass

[sick sentinel]

wellll its ptr and this is lowest ilvl version we have seen so far

it could see a 50% effect dmg buff

[warm plinth]

@strong forum do I have enough mastery on my war?

[strong forum]

Sorry, 60% Minimum

[warm plinth]

fuck

[sick sentinel]

put that in your notes to blizzard

hey wtf this trinket

madge

[lusty grotto]

man im so glad the new dungeon is a sewer dungeon

those are the best kinds

[sick sentinel]

yeah well if they do that don't be surprised when its filled up with shit and toxic stuff

[daring marlin]

Creepiest mobs in any souls game

imo

absolutely repugnant

[lusty grotto]

ima let you finish

but

not the creepiest but

the most fucking annoying, fuck that hole in the ground that has like 3 of them

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKREj8yDvjw

plz just entertain me and watch all the way through 🙂

its really gorey and scuh but plz just humor me

[lusty grotto]

well those are easy to parry at least

like giga easy

[sick sentinel]

i have no words to even describe the types of alien hybrids they are

[lusty grotto]

the wolf dude with the 2 hander, those i fucking hated from ER

[daring marlin]

yes but they're gross af

lmao

[lusty grotto]

well yea

[sick sentinel]

its like a flying, krang thagt spwns baby spiders, a giant lobster and some huge teleportin bro with a big eyeball

[chilly brook]

Imagine shriekwing lantern except it’s the whole raid and you need it to see period because it’s pitch black

[blazing condor]

But why

[daring marlin]

Also fighting 2 at once is aids

[sick sentinel]

cuz stat stick

[lusty grotto]

true true

[sick sentinel]

and they dont want to do those

[daring marlin]

I need to play through ER again

[chilly brook]

Stat sticks are great I love stat sticks

[daring marlin]

after cyberpunk I think

[chilly brook]

Gib arcanocrystal

[lusty grotto]

ill pick it up again when the DLC comes out

[daring marlin]

precisely

[sick sentinel]

we are TW month now right

or, im not certain how thats supposed to go

[warm plinth]

absolutely washed 😢

I didn't pull as big as I should have

[uneven mason]

Raiding in EverQuest as a human race back in 99, big nostalgia

[warm plinth]

[grim pilot]

Why not 100

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[uneven mason]

☝️

[strong forum]

the everlasting mission

to 100% blocked hits

[uneven mason]

Backpedal more

[warm plinth]

I had 72 casts per minute

That's pretty good

[warm plinth]

I think most of my damage loss was pull size and I had my stupid fury macro on my bar so avatar was pressing TR before I could get demo out

[strong forum]

macros

[warm plinth]

🤷 You always sync Avatar and TR as fury, no reason not to macro them

LS CD is like 1 min right

[strong forum]

ye

[warm plinth]

so I still didn't press it enough, but better than last time for sure

15 times in almost 22 mins

Wasted a lot less rage too

356 wasted

anyway I'm gonna take a lil nappy nap. Feel free to shred my log if y'all get bored though: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qrv1JMtbKp4zaPcT#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[modern brook]

best i can do is a castle in an underground cave

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1090307112539787394.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[thin rain]

Is this still the most accurate stat prio?
ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery

[daring marlin]

That's not gonna work for me, brother.

[strong forum]

yes

pins are all up to date

[inland raft]

ofc the best is to

[thin rain]

Never used simming for tank. Doesnt it only sim for more damage?

[strong forum]

correct

but "gearing for defense" doesnt really exist to mattering degrees

and so its generally recommended to just gear for dmg output because of the little difference stats make

[uneven mason]

Gearing for defense stat priority
Shield ilvl > ilvl

[lusty grotto]

hurry friends, every moment we linger dargrul kills more of our allies

[strong forum]

he been killin allies for 5 years

hes a very slow lad

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[daring marlin]

hey fated raids for s4 should be cool af amirite lads

[lusty grotto]

id say fated raids might be better

i like these raids a lot more than SLs

well

a lot more than the 2 that weren't CN

[daring marlin]

you'll be sad when you don't get beacon and anvil

[lusty grotto]

cause CN was goated

[daring marlin]

😉

[lusty grotto]

true

and real

just dinar it

[daring marlin]

oh true

dinar oce and another class trinket tbh

[lusty grotto]

lots of options haha

[daring marlin]

Yeeee

[strong forum]

youll wanna dinar 10.2 trinkets

signet is actually stupid strong

[lusty grotto]

was pip nerfed yet

[strong forum]

when you go into combat with it pre-stacked

it does 13k dps and it has mainstat

on single target

[lusty grotto]

might be rough to replace beacon at least

[strong forum]

nah

beacon isnt that good

like its good for pure ST

and when you need smth to be nuked in m+

[daring marlin]

👀

dayum

[strong forum]

augury looks to be better than beacon

its not controllable

but overall its looking stronger

fyrakk trinket also really strong

[lusty grotto]

is there even anything from voti thats worth it comparatively? manic/storm-eater maybe?

[strong forum]

boon obv for aoe padding

and grieftorch can be disgustingly good ye

and for raid gain, icon prolly really powerful

cuz you just need 1 healer and 1 tank

and then the DPS get the full benefit

dunno if OCE is better than that for DPS

[lusty grotto]

icon + oce lol

[strong forum]

ye for full simp

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[strong forum]

get the augs to run it

[lusty grotto]

no doubt they will if they happen

[daring marlin]

S4 is gonna own

[lusty tiger]

Why? Because there won’t be one?

[thin rain]

I imagine 10.2 will be the last major patch, but there will be a S4 like shadowlands had. basically a filler season between expansions

[uneven mason]

S4 all the dungeons are active

Ez, no development needed

[modern brook]

S4 is for the believers only tbh

[lusty tiger]

Then I’m a nonbeliever

[modern brook]

your loss s4 is gunna own

[median tulip]

Back on that old VotI ring grind

[opaque quest]

Because Rasz was so much fun with randos

Oh right it wasnt

[grand veldt]

S4 will happen even if this is the last patch

Dont cope yourself

The only question is which dungeons from this expansion will be in the season

[lusty grotto]

i bet it'll be all 8 from this exp

they obviously cant do a mega dungeon only season again so

[lusty tiger]

Wdym now there’s enough mega dungeons to do a mega dungeon only season

[lusty grotto]

what

they already did a mega dungeon only season

[lusty tiger]

When?

[lusty grotto]

i mean the 2 WoD dungeons aside

pretty sure they wont repeat dungeons

[daring marlin]

Should be all DF dungeons

[lusty grotto]

it will be

as a recap

[lusty tiger]

But without thundering

And quaking

[lusty grotto]

all DF dungeons, fated raids

except not called fated maybe idk

dragoned raids lol

[lusty tiger]

I liked fated

Time warped

[lusty grotto]

and instead of a dinar, it'll be some dragon related thing

[lusty tiger]

Time scale

[lusty grotto]

sure

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-tales-wish-i-wish-i-wish-i-wish-wishing-gif-5653684

[lusty grotto]

but to be fair

i dont think s4 will be it

maybe s5

feels like we have another tier coming honestly

thats not considering the perma augment rune

i dont think blizzard should push this exp out the window so fast

s4 SL was necessary due to how much of a shit exp it was

[lusty tiger]

Um

Have u seen the development timeline

Blizzcon 99.9% is going to reveal the new xpac

[lusty grotto]

like it always has

[lusty tiger]

Then in 8 months it’ll release after s4

[modern brook]

a drinar

[lusty tiger]

Or 6 months after s3

[lusty grotto]

we will see

[opaque quest]

I honestly dont care about how many seasons we get

Itemization needs to be right

[pallid quiver]

28 seasons of DF it is, then

[opaque quest]

If S3 has raid trinkets mandatory again im out for the rest of the xpac

[lusty tiger]

lol

[jagged pier]

Unluck because one is

[lusty tiger]

Cya

[jagged pier]

And looks like they changed gleaming to not give haste

[opaque quest]

Would help if they made trinkets for specific stats again. Biggest problem i see is that the whole raid rolls on OCE for example

Same with beacon

[thin silo]

exacerbated by the removal of personal loot

[opaque quest]

Im doing like 15 sarks each week and still dont have a cloak

With perso loot i would have 110%

But blizz doesnt learn. Pip is gonna be mandatory for all classes next patch

[dusky canopy]

Who pip

[pallid quiver]

or maybe they did learn and want to keep everyone on the bis trinket hamster wheel to maintain player retention numbers

tin foil hat time let's go

[opaque quest]

Dont think its working. Season 1 my flist was full of wow players. Season 2 fell of hard

[sick sentinel]

dk new oce

[opaque quest]

Whestone week

[lusty grotto]

with personal loot i wouldn't have gotten shit

because on a 20 man you get like 3 items and the entire loot table is factored in, and then a secondary layer of RNG on who actually gets the drops

its a lot more unforgiving

personal loot is dogshit

[grim pilot]

How good is pocket anvil for m+ assuming you won't have full uptime? Yes ik it's spiteful week

Been running beacon this whole time

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt run it without full uptime

mark of darg or class trinket in vault keys

[grim pilot]

dont have class trinket, got like 441 dargrul

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what i got too

but for full uptime anvil all the way

[grim pilot]

y I can try and see how much it does

ye its spiteful so might consider using it

[opaque quest]

I still dont have anvil

[lusty grotto]

if theres a way to sim only 1 anvil stack or 2 at most then you could have a better answer vs mark (for non uptime scenarios)

[pallid quiver]

make your own raid group, invite 0 melee

[lusty grotto]

or echo trinket

[pallid quiver]

profit

[opaque quest]

Thats what im doing I got echo trinket on sham that way after 5 weeks

Anvil just doesnt drop

[grim pilot]

Anvil dropped today but I was excluded from rolling on it prob because I got an item recently

Rip

Still got hc one with avoidance anyway

[toxic pewter]

lol wat excluded from rolling on bis trinket?

who decided that

[grim pilot]

Idm anyway since its bis for a couple of guys and not everyone could roll for it

I like getting loot but I’m mostly interested in laying my hands on ashkandur and I’m home

[blazing condor]

i like running anvil

in m+

and its p easy to keep up

[grand veldt]

Show of force or blood surge?

and is OCE worth running if im the only one?

[opaque quest]

Depends on what other trinkets you have

[grand veldt]

i always run cheat death because im a pussy

[opaque quest]

Same

Dw

[grand veldt]

i really don't like mark of dagrul bc it's constantly proccing from dots, heroic throw, and thunderclap

[bleak breach]

I generally run both show of force and blood surge

[grand veldt]

Yeah but im in the public restroom of brackets

this is my spec atm, the only point im willing to float is either blood surge or show of force

[bleak breach]

Otherwise swap bloodsurge for thunderlord

[grand veldt]

I need the disrupting shout crutch or we lose

[bleak breach]

What fight is that for?

I don’t run disrupting shout at all really.

[grand veldt]

thats my spec of neltharus

and halls

[bleak breach]

What level are you trying to clear,

?

[grand veldt]

about to try a 24

but its a full pug group

[bleak breach]

Interesting, I’ve never had the drama of needing disrupting shout there.

[grand veldt]

never seen your group just not interrupt a 4 cast of melts once

and then have 2 people dead

and a bricked key

never never?

why am i the only one who gets these kinds of pugs

[bleak breach]

I mean I don’t really prep for the really bad situations. But also if the build works don’t change it

[grand veldt]

yeah i was just asking if you guys had to choose between surge and show of force

what would you pick

[bleak breach]

Bloodsurge will give you more rage, so more IP/revenge. Show of force is just damage

[grand veldt]

that's what i was thinking too but i just wasnt certain

[bleak breach]

Also more rage= more avatar

Bloodsurge is your safer option, not show how big of a damage gap it is though. Show of force just more aoe pew pew

[grand veldt]

yeah just wasnt certain if since it was tyran if show of force might be worth the dam

[bleak breach]

If you’re worried about boss damage you’re better off raking sudden death

[grand veldt]

oh wow you think it's worth?

i'll try it, let you know how i feel after

[bleak breach]

It will literally for single target though

[opaque quest]

This group thinks they can kill morchie

I am the monk tank

This was battlefield dmg

Im 423

And the 445 dps do 60 and 40k xd

[sick sentinel]

do all cos spies go to one hall or is it specfic forthem or rng

when they go up the stairs after uve found it

[opaque quest]

Its random

[sick sentinel]

i thought maybe certain ones were tied to certain paths, doesnt matter really

[opaque quest]

Na. Random

Thats why some keys were 30 seconds longer than others even tho they were played the exact same

[sick sentinel]

unskippable cutsacene

[opaque quest]

Casually killed morchie solo

Warriors casually doing 900k portal keeper dmg while im doing 2.2 milion <.<

[sick sentinel]

r u rerolled to brm

[toxic geyser]

whats the verdict for hiom?

[potent anvil]

I did it. 150k overall
Now I can tell that one YT commenter.

[opaque quest]

Fake

Windfury

Aug

Probably leeched PI too

Na jk pretty good

[potent anvil]

Winners win, what can I say

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/history-gets-written-by-the-winners-winners-history-tell-eyebrow-raise-gif-14605674

[opaque quest]

Na im just bored with my warr. I havent done a key after i hit 3k and my sham and DK are done too for the season

But i probably should. Cause BRM is insane

[sick sentinel]

they cant use axe right

[opaque quest]

No

[sick sentinel]

i mean, thats why im playing bdk

[opaque quest]

I wouldnt get it anyways. I did both weeklies today, HC vault and dawn and got exactly 0 upgrades even tho im only 423

[sick sentinel]

this all makes a great deal of sense to me naturually, thinking about deathstrike and legendary 2h axe

and yea, i think its a shoe in

[opaque quest]

BDK makes perfect sense. You get the legy AND tank privileges for instai nvite

[cosmic kelp]

Yo I'm seeing some prot warriors take Spell Block on sark, what does that work against on that boss?

[sick sentinel]

cuz, it doesn't stop dots

u use other players warlocks rogues and something else 2 others that slow the attacks

and then, u get less attacks over time of that attack, and it hurts u less, thats the TL:DR im sure someone in this chat knows more precise

[opaque quest]

Maybe for the magic dmg reduce? It doesnt reflect anything there

[sick sentinel]

cuz it only helps vs the initial attack

[jagged gust]

I wonder if that guy ever gave any proof to doot

[lusty tiger]

Gz

[potent anvil]

[opaque quest]

Remember to tell him you effed his mother

Otherwise its a lost cause

[lusty tiger]

That was your mom…

[opaque quest]

Sticking dicks in ashes is disgusting but to each his own

[lusty tiger]

[opaque quest]

Has to be alive (optional)

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

Everything, including the tank dots

Spellblock is absolutely broken vs sark

[opaque quest]

No Djaruun madge

Someone was saved too <.<

Turns out rashok on a 420 monk hurts pretty bad

You guys need to try brew. Its unlimited fun

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-how-gif-19601238

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-do-it-gif-24435329

[strong forum]

I'll never play brew

[opaque quest]

why

[strong forum]

I don't like it?

[lusty tiger]

Brew actually is incredibly fun on bosses

[opaque quest]

Ye its crazy

How do you know you dont like it if you never played it

[lusty tiger]

But not because it’s fun but because you can do all the things in all the places

And in m+ it is way too monkaS

[strong forum]

Cuz I can tell if I'll like something by looking at it

It's a supreme skill

[opaque quest]

Dont tell me you have eyes

[lusty tiger]

Oh cmon nome

[strong forum]

Yeah it's wild

[lusty tiger]

U gotta at least run a few keys on it

[opaque quest]

You will be drunk enough to not notice what youre playing tho

[strong forum]

I've only played drunk once

Never again, huge regret

[lusty tiger]

Why

[strong forum]

I lost 13 games in a row

[opaque quest]

Its like getting a bj while playing. It sounds good but fucking sucks in truth

[lusty tiger]

Playing video games while under the influence is poggers

[dusky canopy]

I don’t like playing impaired tbh lol

[strong forum]

Nop

[opaque quest]

Depends on what you play ngl

Overwatch quickmatch with 5 drunk friends is high time

[dusky canopy]

If I do I’m usually way to spaced out and just run around achieving nothing lmao

[lusty tiger]

Dam

I dab after every key when I’m key farming usually

[strong forum]

I can't recall the last time I was drunk at home

Maybe uh

Like...

12? Years ago

[lusty tiger]

And like when I get home from dinner w the parents it’s time for some drunk gaming

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[strong forum]

I just don't like drinking

[lusty tiger]

Same

[strong forum]

Straight edge kinda guy

Me no drugs