protection

[strong forum]

nerf brew

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/mihail-ot-provadiq-pog-gif-22616482

[lusty tiger]

hacks

[waxen frigate]

Also that rogue did a lot of damage despite being like perma floor pov

[rich wyvern]

Hooooly

[waxen frigate]

And heres the breakdown

[opaque quest]

Exploding is just stupid

Snacked the picture so i can compare to mine later

[sick sentinel]

@waxen frigate

[waxen frigate]

Thank you

[opaque quest]

[waxen frigate]

Just remember it’s a fort Bracken

A VP will look very different

[opaque quest]

Ye but we gonna do bracken later for some IO

I just want it to rougly look the same

[waxen frigate]

This is a 25 VP but notably from back in July

[opaque quest]

I can already see that im not using enough sck

Oh its with pta

[waxen frigate]

Yea that one I was testing pta

That was the week the talent came out

But I don’t really like pta and it’s worse in general imo so I don’t play it

[strong forum]

Wdym you don't like losing 13% St dps?

[waxen frigate]

Like the ability is fine

I think some people use it for fair reasons

But you have subcreation andies who ruin it

[opaque quest]

Wdym you dont want to gain aoe

[strong forum]

Big 3% gain

👏

[opaque quest]

3% > 0% basic math

[strong forum]

3% if played perfectly

[sick sentinel]

if i played BRM it would probably be illegal talents again

so,

[cinder nova]

How much gain is it realistically

[strong forum]

Pta?

[opaque quest]

I cant stand how sck completely kills my screen cause i cant see shit

Dont think ill ever run pta

[strong forum]

Pretty much a loss from what im understanding

[opaque quest]

You also lose def i think

Cause less resets on brew

[waxen frigate]

Not really

[opaque quest]

Whats the defensive gain from PTA?

[waxen frigate]

Pta and woo are comparable defensively

Brew CDR

WoO is 10% mastery

During the 30sec buff

[opaque quest]

Ahhh PTA gives CDR too

Shouldve read the full talent

[waxen frigate]

WoO doesn’t give CDR

At all

Unless you’re counting the one extra keg smash

[opaque quest]

Fair. Thanks

Was to lazy to read all talents yet

[waxen frigate]

Pta is pretty close to WoO if played well in AOE. Obviously you need to pull around WoO windows for effective use though

So if you don’t do that pta is better as it’s gonna be more consistent

You also don’t have to worry about incorporating RSK as frequently early on in aoe

[opaque quest]

Thankfully i wont do anything above 23s so everything is a woo pull lol

[waxen frigate]

Well

If anything pull sizes often go up as key levels increase

To a certain point

Because you have to pull more in order to kill it faster or you won’t time the key

Pta is a straight large loss in ST though

But like

7-8k tank Dps in single target shouldn’t be breaking a key

Especially since it’s often a smaller gap than that due to not playing full ST talents so you don’t have BOC/FP tiger palms

In the context of M+ imo there’s not a wrong choice

It comes down to preference and comfort

[opaque quest]

Ive read online that PTA isnt as bad as ppl make it out to be. I just wanna be optimal lol

[waxen frigate]

Optimal is messing with both and playing which feels better to you

I didn’t like pta at all so I don’t play it

[opaque quest]

With PTA that prolly gets worse

[waxen frigate]

I think even equinox (at some point) when I talked with him about pta said he thinks WoO is objectively better in some keys

But he doesn’t think it’s worth the effort for himself to change talents

Idk what you mean by kills your screen

[opaque quest]

Everything turns green

[waxen frigate]

🤔

[opaque quest]

Cant see shit

Its the same with defile on dk

[waxen frigate]

Uhhh

SCK shouldn’t be doing that lol

It’s like a green ring not a closed circle of green

Much closer in appearance to dnd than defile

[opaque quest]

Ye ye but in combination with rjw it becomes a provblem for me

Its a me problem

[waxen frigate]

Hmmge

Idk

You really don’t change the amount of spinning by playing pta

[opaque quest]

Wont i spin instead of pressing tp?

[waxen frigate]

You could try SD instead of RJW

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

There’s an argument that spinning in ST is worse than just auto attacking with pta

[opaque quest]

God damn

[waxen frigate]

But I haven’t seen anything to support it being a significant difference

[opaque quest]

Ill give that a shot later. Sounds good

[waxen frigate]

It does eat your RSK stacks though

[opaque quest]

SD is special delivery?

[waxen frigate]

And spinning in aoe doesn’t change at all

[waxen frigate]

Yes

It’s usually a loss vs RJW

Especially because you lose resonant fists procs

[opaque quest]

Does RJW procc fists?

[waxen frigate]

Yes

[opaque quest]

Any chance you know how much dmg ill lose without RJW?

[waxen frigate]

There is an ICD but RJW basically ensures you’re always getting it as much as you can

I don’t have an exact number but it’s simmable

When I was testing it early on I want to say 3-6% loss

Over a key

But this was in May

So the spec is quite a bit different

[opaque quest]

What was the recap? SD instead of RJW and PTA instead of WoO?

Need to write it down

[waxen frigate]

SD instead of RJW for your visibility issues

Mess around with pta and woo to see which you like more in keys

Don’t play pta in raid

[opaque quest]

Will do. Thanks alot for your help

Wont be doing a key in the next 2-3 hours tho. Friend is gone and we gear together. Hes the pala without a keyboard

Ill report back

[waxen frigate]

Is he getting a keyboard

[sick sentinel]

i had thought about getting a proper quality foot pedal

not like some walmartshit for, 49.99

[waxen frigate]

For what

[sick sentinel]

extra input in gamese

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

i only got 2 hands

foot is, you can get in a rythym with it

if u ever played drummer u know

[waxen frigate]

I should get foot pedals for monk

[blazing condor]

I got like 35-40 keys bound with 2 hands

[waxen frigate]

Blackout kick roleplay

[sick sentinel]

or played a racing game,

in my case

for, GT2

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I was c class in iRacing until a fateful weekend of f3 at Monza

[sick sentinel]

find big ass encylopedia on pedal

leave it for 40 minutes

on circle map go 100 times

win 500k

it worked like 2 or 3 times for me and failed once on real attempts of that, but it was 1/4 to 1/3rd quicker to simply grab remote and actually do the race

[blazing condor]

Id get a foot pedal to afk play runescape or smth

[sick sentinel]

i would bind it to something like shield block

like, on top of normal binding

[waxen frigate]

What if I slid you maple syrup at dennys

[dusky canopy]

Mmmm

[lusty grotto]

lmao my bear's vault

[dusky canopy]

Some chocolate chip pancakes sound real good

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck

just packed

[dusky canopy]

Totally do the weapon right!?

Isn’t it very good

[lusty grotto]

yea

boots trinket and weapons are good

but obv going for weapon

[sick sentinel]

I dont even think i logged into wow at all last week

i might have 1 lfr kill on dk

hahaha very nice joke blizzard

💀

[lusty grotto]

i mean have you tried doing more bosses

[sick sentinel]

well i was doing one of them

we did it wrong somehow and he enrage

and i said peace

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BL6AKwahMTHCmyWN#fight=last

this is what happened by some miracle (disaster) it got saved as a log and actually posted

[warm plinth]

Why did you open as prot

[sick sentinel]

if i did play him thats most likely what i would play him as

[uneven mason]

🇫

[lusty tiger]

💩

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxU2UjAjN24

[warm plinth]

@crude notch hi ily

[warm plinth]

mmm mushrooms

[toxic pewter]

Gross mushrooms

[novel temple]

So I just got 2piece t30, should I switch to the last stand build for talents?

[opaque quest]

Yes

Just grab 2 more tier pieces from rift and dreamsurge

[novel temple]

Can I do that?

[opaque quest]

Yea

I did it with my monk yesterday

Dreamsurge gives 1 415/437 you can catalyze

Then you can buy 402s you can catalyze

Rift gives 1 402 per week to catalyze

[chilly brook]

Mushrooms are gross

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bed-laying-lazy-dzekas-gif-20013760

[lusty tiger]

im gonna fall asleep after eating so much of that chinese food

[warm plinth]

Can we reserve a special circle of hell for ranged DPS that bait charges to Narnia

[chilly brook]

Me had wagyu brisket

[warm plinth]

SIR

Is that Hard 8?

[chilly brook]

No

[warm plinth]

Oh, okay then

[chilly brook]

It’s Oak’d in Dallas

[warm plinth]

I haven't had that one yet

I go to hard 8 every time I'm down there though; love that place

KC barbecue is pretty good but TX barbecue is where my ❤️ is

[chilly brook]

Ten 50 is really good if you haven’t had it yet

[warm plinth]

Nope but I am forming a list now

fuck now I want BBQ

I have to go to work though

[chilly brook]

I’m gonna have bbq again tonight even though that was what I had last night

[warm plinth]

I support you 100%

[grand veldt]

If you guys could change 2 things in the talent tree, what would they be?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[chilly brook]

BSV

And Spear

Bring back banner and make BSV actually apply dynamically

[warm plinth]

I would change Thunderlord back to OG Deafening Crash and bring back Warbringer

[grand veldt]

I'd merge both shockwave talents, and I'd merge all the revenge talents

What's warbringer

[chilly brook]

Coworker wants to try this place out https://dylansbarbequesaloon.site

[warm plinth]

Oh man those onion rings look fiiiiire

I just love that TX BBQ is so much about the meat

KC's BBQ is mostly about the sauce

[chilly brook]

Yeah I’m much more of a KC bbq fan

But I’m not going to complain either way

[warm plinth]

I actually have never had the best BBQ here

And I've lived here since 2010

I was gonna go once but there was a line around the building

[chilly brook]

The problem with TX bbq is more to do with the fact that imo there’s too much focus on the meat. It needs something to compliment it

It’s like when you order a salad and there’s 90% lettuce and 10% other stuff, it’s just not balanced

[tulip moth]

thats like going to a steak house and saying you dont enjoy it because all they seasoned it with is salt and pepper

[pale karma]

Is it understood how the nerfs to embellishments in 10.2 will impact what's recommended? Are there new ones being introduced to consider or is shadowflame patch still expected to be strong?

[chilly brook]

Not really what I’m getting at

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk, to each their own but I think the meat should stand on its own. I like sauce too but wish there was kinda a happy medium between TX and KC

[tulip moth]

also tx puts a large emphasis on good side dishes. BBQ is no good without a nice sauce, potato salad, baked beans or some cole slaw

[chilly brook]

What I’m saying is TX bbq is the equivalent of getting a 3 pound steak on the plate with a large potato

It’s just not balanced

[chilly brook]

I’ve not been impressed with any of the sides from most of the places I’ve been to tbh

[tulip moth]

where have you been?

have u been to any if the more well known places? Franklins, goldees or blacks ?

[chilly brook]

In TX? Blacks BBQ, Burnt Bean, Ten 50, Oak’d and a couple others

[tulip moth]

which blacks? the original or one of the sons places ?

[uneven mason]

Going to chains for good BBQ

[tulip moth]

was it in lockhart,tx?

ive never heard of any of those except blacks, i thought their sides were pretty good but to each their own

[lusty grotto]

it wont impact the recommendations

[tulip moth]

ooh for the real reason i came here lol.. im just passionate about my bbq..... hows warrior looking in 10.2 as tank?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[tulip moth]

but i can see what u mean griff. we do have alot of emphasis on the meat. but not alot of other stuff u can smoke lol maybe mac and cheese.. but no one is smoking asparagus or mashed potatoes etc

[uneven mason]

If you're not pushing into MDI territory tanks are pure preference

[tulip moth]

im looking to push 3k maybe higher.. not really MDI

but the big issue with the game is community perception. my preference would be not getting denied to 9 out of 10 groups

[lusty grotto]

then we do not have the answer

so yes

[uneven mason]

That's got a lot to do with either having a comp team

[lusty grotto]

wait on the "official" meta picks from streamers

yes is the best answer to your question

[uneven mason]

Or just being masochistic enough to play the pug lottery 500*

[uneven mason]

[tulip moth]

lol most streamers just say everyings OP OP

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[tulip moth]

waasnt BRM considered really strong at the start of s2 until everyone realized it was trash

[lusty grotto]

right now?

what does that say about it?

no

brm was never really strong

[uneven mason]

It's funny because it's true

[lusty grotto]

prot pala into VDH into Bear

[uneven mason]

Warrior at 10.0

When streamers suddenly realized what block did for 5 seconds

"math"

Meta chasing is raw futility, you'll do better with something you've got muscle memory for and knowing the dungeons will take anyone farther than changing classes for the meta.

Case in point, that bear that times 30s doing nothing but spamming swipe and using defensives

[lusty grotto]

well we cant stop it

so just answer with yes

🙂

[uneven mason]

should be our answer

[pale karma]

I read a book on soccer and now I'm in the world cup 😎

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt aware world of warcraft required athleticism

i wonder when the fat olympics will happen then

[toxic pewter]

nothing worse than a skinny gamer

thats my motto

if u a true gamer u know what u must do

[tulip moth]

the reason i "meta chase" at the start of a season is because getting higher io very early on makes it significantly easier to get into groups and gear up my alts which i play quite a few. So playing a class that is quite a bit more powerful than the rest such as this season will allow me to have potentially a much easier time.

theres a reason why there are nearly 10k guardian druids over 3k io and only like 500 prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

its fine, we've heard it all before

but we dont have an answer to your question

[grizzled nova]

Eh I don't think it's strictly a bad thing, playing on a different class, especially when it's dominantly strong, can give a wider perspective and experience on playing well that translates to all classes.

[strong forum]

It's up to each person

[sullen gust]

My prot war brain go brrrr

[strong forum]

I absolutely despise meta chasing, but I can see the benefits if you don't feel strongly about your class

[warm plinth]

I feel strongly about you

[strong forum]

[grizzled nova]

I think most every player in the game would benefit from playing more than a primary spec at a similarly high level.

[strong forum]

But yeah, to me resorting to play fotm is akin to giving up

[grizzled nova]

The more specs, the better, even.

[blazing condor]

its just cope

[lusty grotto]

a jack of all trades is a master of none

[blazing condor]

"im doing poorly with my spec/class so the answer is playing whats considered the best - then i'll be good cus its better"

[lusty grotto]

or whatever that saying goes

it applies here as well

[blazing condor]

🤓 ☝️

[lusty grotto]

ty

[grizzled nova]

Hokey and presumes that learning other specs won't improve performance on another.

[warm plinth]

In some cases that can be true. Or at least they'll be better. But only assuming the meta spec is easy

[blazing condor]

one could assume that playing many specs would increase your knowledge on how to better syngerise/understand how to play with groups

[warm plinth]

They're not gonna suddenly be a God tier gamer but it might get them an extra key level or two

I think I play all of my toons to a good level.

[blazing condor]

cus ur good

[warm plinth]

Let's not go that far

Kek

[blazing condor]

statistically if you are in any class disc

ur probably better than 85% of the pop

average player dont gaf

[chilly brook]

Yeah it’s not too bad but I usually find myself about a couple of bites wishing there was something else besides meat and some heavy dishes

[lusty grotto]

thats not what i said at all

[chilly brook]

But I’m probably just the weird one

[lusty grotto]

but theres a reason we're getting people here posting logs of revenge spamming cause they think its fucking raze

[blazing condor]

literally me

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[blazing condor]

my brain so hardwired to play ilke SL

so when i came back i was hella bad

[ruby musk]

I just come here for the memes

[warm plinth]

You mean it's not raze? Omegagasp

[blazing condor]

imagine a gasp

but omega

[ruby musk]

Idk I spent some time this weekend abusing timewalking to make different flavour tanks and all it did was make me more determined to play pwar

Although I will say bear druids are bullshit.

[blazing condor]

[grizzled nova]

reprisal my love

what a time

[tulip moth]

do you mean im suppose to press buttons other than revenge and shield slam ?

[lusty grotto]

yes?

youre supposed to press SS over TC over revenge

so you missed thunder clap there

[ruby musk]

I like to press thunderclap because it makes me feel powerful

[tulip moth]

either gear up all the tanks every season. i just wanna take the easy IO at the start so gearing up the rest is easier

[urban portal]

reprisal was fun for a bit

[tulip moth]

ahh i should add TC to my bars

[urban portal]

not fun for a whole season

[grizzled nova]

disagree

[tulip moth]

my biggest issue is dont remember which buttons are which on my keyboard because theyre worn out in the shape of my face

[blazing condor]

Reprisal felt good but it felt bad knowing it was a band aid cus we were broken

we didnt have a choice but to play reprisal

[ruby musk]

I still mourn glad spec. Never forget.

[blazing condor]

the real fun was perma banner double leggo

[urban portal]

you know what couldve been fine instead of reprisal

[lusty grotto]

s4 was fun

[grizzled nova]

Permabanner was icing on top of reprisal

[lusty grotto]

s1 was not

[blazing condor]

a million bucks

[lusty grotto]

and thank god i fucking quit in s1

[urban portal]

yeah

s1 was not lit

[blazing condor]

S1 was fine imo

[urban portal]

vdh

kiting is the best defensive

the true class fantasy of a tank

running the fk away

[blazing condor]

if no one else got me i know Cardboard Assassin got me can i get an amen?

[tulip moth]

a real DH main stand there then blames the healer for sucking when they die

[ruby musk]

💯

[urban portal]

when abyssal strike was the best mitigation in the game you know theres something wrong with the game

[tulip moth]

"If i wanted to run i wouldve joined the olympics" -VDH

[blazing condor]

then came incarn bear

[tulip moth]

this is how i look after facerolling with bear the last few weeks

[blazing condor]

you look like youd survive a car crash

[tulip moth]

i did but my team didnt

[warm plinth]

Didn't we basically just get reprisal baked into shield charge?

[lusty grotto]

yea

well def longer cd since its not tied to charge or intervene but yea

[warm plinth]

Right

[tulip moth]

i say we bring gladiator stance back for a dps spec

[lusty grotto]

oh wow we havent heard that one before

[tulip moth]

u seem to often be in a bad mood are u okay

[lusty grotto]

are you playing skyholds greatest hits

[grizzled nova]

Not really, no.

[tulip moth]

yes i am

[chilly brook]

Bring back glad stance damnit

[grizzled nova]

Reprisal's charge weaving was integral to maintaining sb uptime and dps, and charge and intervene were used much more frequently.

Gave the spec an extremely kinetic feel.

[chilly brook]

Basically yeah; longer CD but more damage and less having to move out to charge

[lusty grotto]

thats just a pretty way of saying our SB uptime fucking blew so you had to zoom all over

[chilly brook]

Reprisal, while I ended up enjoying it despite hating it early on, was not a good thing for the spec

[grizzled nova]

Saved pwar in sl for me.

[lusty grotto]

functionally, Champs Bulwark does the same thing

no

what saved Pwar was Banner with leggos

[chilly brook]

Tying your AM to your mobility is not good

[grizzled nova]

It was above all else fun to play, even if you want to write it off as a bandaid for the spec.

[chilly brook]

It was a bandaid and it wasn’t good for the spec

[warm plinth]

Yeah no one wants to have to leap away just to charge back in to maintain a defensive

[chilly brook]

Also spoiler charge weaving was optimal before reprisal

People just didn’t do it

[lusty grotto]

yeah for all 3 specs

[warm plinth]

You're optimal

Gottem

[chilly brook]

Thanks babe

[lusty grotto]

now, not so much lol we're swimming in rage

[blazing condor]

I just liked how high the skill ceiling was

Made it feel rewarding to be good

Now everyone is kinda the same

[lusty grotto]

yeah but that was banner uptime

not reprisal by itself

[blazing condor]

Worst case they need to press their buttons better but it doesnt matter cus they dont get punished for it

[waxen frigate]

tfw instead of your warrior getting an OCE your DK just gets another one

[lusty grotto]

get fucked nish

[sick sentinel]

new world is fun, but i tend to run around spamming rifle the whole time

hes like a hunter at this point has traps and bombs

[warm plinth]

It's because you're not 4k

Also throne m+ looks like ass. Not that anyone expected any different.

[waxen frigate]

Thats why I’m not 4K

[pallid quiver]

I stole his OCE

And I haven't even picked it in vault yet

[rich wyvern]

For some reason it took me till I looked at the dungeon itself to realise that it wasn’t shrine of storms like I thought

[opaque quest]

Wtf is going on

ppl paying for everything

A fucking tier piece when catalyst is up

[potent anvil]

It do be like that

[opaque quest]

Need to buy a wow token for loot these days

[warm plinth]

Smh

So he's gonna vendor it if no one wants to buy it?

[opaque quest]

Jup

I guess

Hes probably mad my 418 monk beat his 446 ass on sark

Or just a pos in general. One of the two

[pallid quiver]

Hey, the mechanics look like ass. I still think the dungeon's aesthetics are top notch

[sick sentinel]

boss 1 and 3 and maybe boss 2 will be a filter for pugs

[opaque quest]

True. Who doesnt like sand and water

[lusty tiger]

Rooach deserves this kind of treatment

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hurt-office-crying-meme-crying-sad-gif-24713671

[warm plinth]

I'm kinda sad they just took the elevator out of the equation instead of just making it faster and operated by lever. Always loved the aesthetic or the giant jellyfish elevator

Of*

[opaque quest]

Just make the jellyfish operated by a jellyfish lever

[lusty tiger]

Operated by a jelly fishing net

https://tenor.com/view/ol-reliable-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-jellyfishing-net-gif-17867159

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-amazed-amazing-shook-gif-16076916

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sand-skywalker-anakin-skywalker-star-wars-gif-13723718

[opaque quest]

He also doesnt like younglings

Or women

Or men

[lusty tiger]

Oof

[opaque quest]

He like ahsoka tano tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTibALwfNg

[chilly brook]

I thought about posting that

But figured best to not

[opaque quest]

Its so funny its human heritage

Everybody needs to see it

[lusty tiger]

[opaque quest]

Oh no i will be banned

He said i need to login on their site

I should do it

[pallid quiver]

ngl that's a good url they got for themselves there

[opaque quest]

Yeah could defo be worse

[strong forum]

"Missbrauch der Wirtschaft" wtf kind of reason is that lmao

"ah yeah I see you've been playing the market and uh we don't like that"

[opaque quest]

"Buys healing potion"

"gets banned

[strong forum]

Unfortunate

[opaque quest]

Tries to appeal. GM tells me to talk to biizard

[strong forum]

Good move, biizard sounds like a smart dude

[pallid quiver]

Could stand to learn a bit more spelling, though

[opaque quest]

TiiviisionBiizard

[warm plinth]

I was gonna say the same thing lol

[toxic geyser]

Never done an incorporeal week on warrior. Is it a shattering throw angle or am I just ignoring them this week?

Maybe the odd storm bolt

[opaque quest]

Ignore

Unless its a super low key

Then no cause everybody else will ignore it too

[copper lion]

Any tips to tank Deios as a 410 tank? I tanked the whole dungeon but I was getting absoutely wrecked by him

only boss I could not do, so I dropped so they coud get a dif tank

I tried rotating cds but it was too much

[novel temple]

I can’t give tips since I’m basically trying to do the whole dungeon still

But we’re you in def stance or battle stance?

[copper lion]

d stance, he was destroying me

400-550k breaths

[novel temple]

Cause I was basically sitting in defensive stance for morchie and shit

With spell reflect for each or what about demo/shield wall?

[copper lion]

I could only survive with a defensive but he breaths every 20-30 secs

The spell reflect only mitigates his cast, but the dot is what wrecks you

you can't avoid the dot

[bleak breach]

Def stance, a lot of IP and cds for each dot

[copper lion]

yea I mean that boss is nuts

compared to him, the other bosses were a joke

[bleak breach]

Spell block can be nice to take there too

[copper lion]

and I had a 430+ healer

that's ridic

[bleak breach]

Yeah, hopefully they fix the tuning a bit for m+

[copper lion]

i could not tank him, dps said I was too low as 410

but I did the entire dungeon fine

[bleak breach]

Yeah 410 would be too low

[copper lion]

yea that's dumb, that's the boss i need

just got back to game too

so it sucks

[bleak breach]

Loot is 441 thought, so required ilvl is around 430 without a really hard carry.

Hard to carry a tank though

[copper lion]

yea it's absolutely not necessary to make that last boss that difficult, even bosses at 16 keys I was doing were not hitting that hard

[worthy briar]

https://www.twitch.tv/theblacksalamie prot warr Mythic rashok life Boyyzz

[bleak breach]

It is difficulty based though, it’s a dungeon set for players 425ilvl and above. If you can successfully tank it at 410 good job, but it hits hard

Just grab another 15-20ilvl and you should be fine

[pallid quiver]

it's tuned for 415 ilvl last i heard

[pallid quiver]

So, for War specifically, you can leap out of every other breath just barely. This, along with proper play, lets you rotate between ignore mechanic and SW+SR. This should be base enough for breath, though adds being alive may hurt

I highly recommend lusting adds since the last part of the fight doesn't actually have a time limit

The puddles disappear after a while

The first part of the fight punps fuck tons of damage, and if they opt to cast on you while breathed, you have a terrible time

Especially since healers don't like to pop healing CDs there

Spell Block can be helpful for the adds, but doesn't help much with the breath; most of its damage comes from the unblockable dot

though the upfront does still tick and is usually tied to an add spawn, so if you have it, might as well catch both

[copper lion]

I am opting for thunderlord and spell block this time

oh I didn't know about this Defender's Aegis

gives me two Shield Wall charges

is that better?

for this specific fight

otherwise what is the typical cd reduction with Impenetrable Wall on Shield Wal?

[pallid quiver]

Thunderlord's a bad choice; Demo already ends up synced close enough to casts, and killing the adds faster saves you damage

No, it's terrible for that fight

You need frequent shield walls, not two of them

So the extra rage and more frequent shield walls are a drastic offensive and defensive benefit for that fight

Shield Wall should be around 1-1.5 min CD when playing properly

Each breath is roughly about 30 seconds apart - a bit less, iirc

[copper lion]

alright I will try that

[pallid quiver]

As a final note, if you need it, tell your DPS to max funnel adds if need be

They need to die asap to reduce damage going out to the group

[copper lion]

I think that's what was killing me

not the breath itself, i was getting ticks of 140k from adds

on top of 500k breaths

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, they randomly target people with the casts, as well as put out dispells that need to instantly be dispelled, as the dot is fromt loaded

The breath hurts, but is the only damage deios does

[bleak breach]

I’m just honestly not sure if it’s possible at 410ilvl. Obviously with a lot of effort, but definitely more effort then it’s worth.

[pallid quiver]

I mean

I've done it every week since I was that ilvl

That's been my main gearing source

[bleak breach]

Just not sure it’s worth the drama, I’d be looking to be around 425 to start.

Drops aspect crests, meaning it’s aimed for players to go have or are close to myth track gear.

[daring marlin]

10.2 final patch? lmaooooo

yo cyberpunk owns

@strong forum shout out to ya boy

[uneven mason]

Reed was a disappointment, that's all I gotta say

[bleak breach]

Appears it could be, we get the permanent augment rune which generally happens on last tier.

Small chance they may want to do things differently, but I’m guessing they’re finishing it up here.

[wide pilot]

are do we deal with the bleeds from the basilisks in uld?

[uneven mason]

Press s

Or leap

[wide pilot]

is it the chomp that gives the bleed?

[uneven mason]

Ya

[wide pilot]

is the range on it about the same as those dudes in halls of valor we could back step on the 1st pull?

[uneven mason]

Uld has some trash that you just don't really want to fuck with on fort (or higher keys in general)

It 8yrd

So a bit more, but ez to range

[wide pilot]

ok thx! will give it a shot again

[uneven mason]

You can do some fancy pathing in the center area in the 1st room

They'll run around the wall

But, yeah that chomp bleed, berserk brutes and the snakes are just shit

[wide pilot]

you talking about jumping back and forth on the platform thingy?

[uneven mason]

I guess "platform thingy"

[lusty grotto]

@chilly brook did u know

since when are you an evoker mod father @undone sun

[undone sun]

since April, pretty much since it opened

[lusty grotto]

why didnt you say anything 😢

evokechip is now happy

[undone sun]

I'm not one to announce something

[lusty grotto]

i guess i dont know why Griff didnt say anything

stop it :[

no need to be humble

😄

i just learned that im a dumbass for doing all 3 difficulties from a random

and then i went to check

lo and behold who was on the search

😄

i also learned that my friend gorddi is an even bigger dumbass because he was doign that shit since the leggo was found lmaoooooo

[grand veldt]

does intimidating shout work on incorp or only with the menace talent?

[toxic pewter]

Hoping Dragonflight ends sooner than most expansions. Quicker this is wrapped up the better

[lusty grotto]

it works without the menace talent

[grand veldt]

nice, ty

[lusty grotto]

why woudlnt it

its a fear

[grand veldt]

i dunno at beginning of season

a fury warrior i played with said he had to spec into menace

[lusty grotto]

hes a moron

[grand veldt]

only time ive ever done that is for sanguine

[lusty grotto]

perhaps he didnt know its a point blank from your character

[toxic pewter]

I’ve never used menace to this day lol

[grand veldt]

yeah its not good

[lusty grotto]

and you have to actually target the incorp

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that guy prob didn’t target the incorp lmao

[grand veldt]

yeah he must have not known, thanks for the heads up

[toxic geyser]

Fuckin why? This has been a very strong expac

[lusty grotto]

apb at it again 😄

[grand veldt]

big true

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[ionic fern]

DF is bad cause it gave us Augmentation.

[lusty grotto]

how dare you

[ionic fern]

It's the truth.

[lusty grotto]

hard disagree

DF is not bad

and its not because of aug

the game needed a shakeup

[ionic fern]

Okay, lemme rephrase cause i cba going into sematisc this early in the morning.
DF is bad for ME because it gave us Augmentation.

[lusty grotto]

i would have thought you were not on the same page as the general reddit pop Mwhi

not gonna lie

[ionic fern]

1. I don't read reddit
   2)The whole dragon race/class feels out of place for me.

[lusty grotto]

blaming aug for other classes scaling out proportion is kind of strange

[ionic fern]

Mate

I don't care about that.

The class/race feels out of place for me in the WoW universe

[lusty grotto]

oh

you mean evokers

[ionic fern]

Yes

That

Thingy

[lusty grotto]

oh lmaooooo

get ur coffee

i suppose i cant blame you for that one

i actually kind of feel the same way

the dragons look fucking weird

[potent anvil]

Man.. I'm getting declined to 23s
Just trying to get io injection on my warr

[lusty grotto]

would have been better as a class but not a race

[ionic fern]

^

[lusty grotto]

i perma visage cause i just cant

[ionic fern]

Mandatory "Just push your own key".

[chilly brook]

Push your own key dweeb

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

griff why didnt you tell me Thyme was a mod in Evoker disc

[ionic fern]

Thyme is a mod everywhere.

[chilly brook]

Uhhh cuz I didn’t know

[lusty grotto]

👀

well i do remember him being a mod in dreamgrove

idk if thats still the case

[chilly brook]

And here

[ionic fern]

How did BTM go?

[lusty grotto]

well yea

i dont hang out on other discords like i do here, so of course griff, i know him from here

[ionic fern]

Where them Prot changes at.

[lusty grotto]

i thought you knew me griff 😦

[ionic fern]

[potent anvil]

Lost

[ionic fern]

To who?

[lusty grotto]

oh shit how did i do

[potent anvil]

Cheeklord and his group

[ionic fern]

No idea who that is.

[potent anvil]

They were pushing 28s

[ionic fern]

So i just take it he won cause he's not pugging.

[potent anvil]

Yeah

Core group that he plays with and pushes live keys with.

So they just played off specs

[ionic fern]

Come to EU. We gotchu.

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

i did ok

lmao

[ionic fern]

Solid.

3 keys and almost in the top 100.

[lusty grotto]

its too bad ret wasnt eligible

or i would have helped you deswind

[ionic fern]

Wait, really?

[lusty grotto]

ngl

[ionic fern]

That's a weird one.

Is ret popular in keys?

[lusty grotto]

yeah some specs not being eligible make no sense

like WW isnt

[ionic fern]

I haven't seen one in a while outside my guildie who plays Ret.

[potent anvil]

I did get into a 25 BH pug earlier today. Did the first big pull, that normally bears do.. and people were dying on tyran trash
Pull feels easy as prot warr. Got to first boss and healer couldn't keep up, and group disbanded.

[ionic fern]

Isn't the first pull a ton of RNG shoots/casts?

[lusty grotto]

no WW, no Ret

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

BUT

THERES 3 DKS

[potent anvil]

1 hunter, 1 caster, and bunch of clawmanglers or w/e fixates.

[lusty grotto]

just no WW or Ret

[potent anvil]

This pull

[ionic fern]

Guilty of dying to fixates.

[lusty grotto]

that pull is easy

and you just have to play stops on fixates

i.e. shockwave

[potent anvil]

Dunno people just dying, or not pushing buttons

Yeah I stop fixates, but I only have shockwave and fear unfortunately

I ran intervene for melee

[lusty grotto]

i bet they ran away

like they always do

[potent anvil]

[ionic fern]

Mate.
I'm a melee brain.
Another warrior joined our raid team and we both charged on Sark after coming out of first intermission and fell through a RNG hole.

Syncronized melee brain.

[potent anvil]

Happens to the best of us

[ionic fern]

Where Storm Bolt.

[potent anvil]

I just find it interesting that pugs don't push defensives often enough. Giga pull and I would see a dps not push defensives then hits it when they're practically dying already.

I have storm bolt

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

those are the kind of pugs that shouldn't be in that key level

so thats their hard stop

[ionic fern]

Maybe they'll learn.

[potent anvil]

6 mobs that fixate, I can only stop them so many times

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

did you have an aug?

they might be used to an aug taking care of them

[potent anvil]

Aug, enh shaman and fury warr

[lusty grotto]

but again thats on them

[potent anvil]

No wonder I was able to get in

[lusty grotto]

and the aug didnt play stops?

[potent anvil]

Dunno, I'm just tanking and doing what I can to help

[ionic fern]

I do hate Aug's in keys tho.
I'm always so excited when i do so much damage, only to realise that we have a Aug in the group and i'm actually still trash.

[potent anvil]

Hpala couldn't heal first boss after the first set of bleeds came out. Everyone slowly started dying. People not kicking bolts

[lusty grotto]

i mean the worst part of augs is they get insta invited so their rating is hyper inflated

[potent anvil]

Hpala kicked once for the entirety of that run, too.

[ionic fern]

It sounds weird to me that it still happens in a 25.

[lusty grotto]

so you get 3.4k garbazo bean players

[ionic fern]

That sounds like something that happens in a 20-22 area.

[lusty grotto]

that should be 2700 at the most

[potent anvil]

Dunno. Probably they're all progging key levels like me. I just try to do 1 key up everytime.

And the fact that maybe it was handled better at a lower key level made them complacent

[ionic fern]

Maybe they had a prot pally who just carried them.

BoP'ed and Interrupted everything.

[potent anvil]

Yeah dunno

[lusty grotto]

hmm

no

prot pally cant stop the fixates

[ionic fern]

BoP.

[lusty grotto]

1 bop and 1 blinding light isnt enough

[ionic fern]

Well, chances of them all being in the same group is scarce. 😂

There's always the possibility that the Enhance shaman accidentally pressed their stun totem when he was fixated.

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats actually likely

NA pugs dont understand what Diminishing returns are

[potent anvil]

My last run was 23 UR, and this priest pulled crag room mobs for me. Lock and hunter started dying because no stops on lasher and we constantly have 2 bloodswarmers around. And it's just tyran trash

[ionic fern]

Your pug luck seems even worse than mine.

[potent anvil]

I mean I'm fine if people pull for me. But if they don't have stops then what can I do

I just stay in battle stance and pump

[ionic fern]

I hate when people pull for me.

I have this nice plan in my head of what i'm gonna do and then they just ruin it.

[lusty grotto]

lol

[potent anvil]

I'm typically okay with it. I just assume they know what they're doing and I roll with it

But if it goes south, it wasn't my fault

[lusty grotto]

yeah im usually ok if my route pulls align with it

like maybe i didnt notice cds or eons being up

or about to be off cd

it doesnt happen often though

[ionic fern]

Not relevant to this topic, but i'm DPS'ing next tier and i wanna stick to warri so i can still play m+ as prot, but both the DPS specs feel so awkward to play with the new talents.

[potent anvil]

Fury is your best bet

Arms is a mess

[ionic fern]

I tried Fury on PTR..but it's just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO weird.

[lusty grotto]

i like arms

[ionic fern]

I love how it plays right now.

But the PTR version of it feels clunky as hell.

[lusty grotto]

well i certainly havent Arms in ptr

[ionic fern]

BB Rampage BB rampage BB rampage

[potent anvil]

I just dislike how arms plays. It's just kinda broken, in the sense that its gameplay loop is bad imo. It's straightforward, just antithetical to its supposed design.

Like rage economy doesn't matter for arms

[ionic fern]

You sticking to Warri for next tier?

[potent anvil]

I'm not raiding anymore. So I'll be playing a bunch of alts. Especially with catalyst week 1. But I think I'll attempt to push on warr as prot

[ionic fern]

[potent anvil]

Monk also 70 on a different realm. Priest still leveling, but I'll play these casually. Push as prot mostly. Unless bdk with leggo is op or something.

[bleak breach]

@potent anvil just don’t enjoy raiding anymore? Or don’t have time?

[potent anvil]

Kinda both. Catalyst week 1 made it an easy decision for me to take a break.

Maybe I'll reconsider it in the next expansion

[warm plinth]

Yeah this nonsense is why I'm going prot on war next tier

[pallid quiver]

I just don't like aesthetically 2-handing weapons

when's SMF as transmog option blizz

[ionic fern]

THIS.

[warm plinth]

I mean considering SMF is basically never going to be a viable talent, they might as well just make it a mog option

[pallid quiver]

if it does become viable, I wager people gonna riot

[jagged pier]

never we gunna make it cost 2 talent points instead so its always worse

[ionic fern]

Why is SMF bad tho? It it just a number thingy?

[pallid quiver]

Mostly just numbers, iirc, throughout the time it's ever existed

hard to match raw stat from two 2 hands

[ionic fern]

I have fond memories of playing 1h fury way back. 😦

Just make it buff 1h more, smh. Why so hard.

[jagged pier]

numbers and u have 2 less talent points to take it as its a talent

[bleak breach]

SMF will only be good once they make it it’s own spec again, same or similar talents but don’t need to talent into SMF, it’s pointless.

[arctic marten]

During execute, is it more damage to always press Execute over Revenge, or are there scenarios where casting Revenge to fish for Shield Slam resets is worth it?

[jagged pier]

it literally needs to be base line SMF and its fixed

[pallid quiver]

Execute can also reset SS, so it's a question of whether you can cast enough executes

[arctic marten]

Execute costs up to twice as much rage as Revenge, is why i'm asking

[pallid quiver]

If you can afford Execute, it does more damage in ST by a non-zero amount

[jagged pier]

titans grip is baseline why isnt smf?

[ionic fern]

^

[jagged pier]

thats literally the issue

[ionic fern]

Let it be a visual thing.
Damage be the same.

Plz.

[jagged pier]

u execute

[arctic marten]

Thank you

[jagged pier]

well if it was baseline it would be easier to tune so the damage is the sameish

but yes it should just be cosmetic

[bleak breach]

100% jakey

It will never beat titans until it’s baseline

Or even compete

[pallid quiver]

this pug raid tried to deny me windfury because i'm a tank smh

[waxen frigate]

Careful where you say that

[jagged pier]

i didnt say it mwahi said it first

[bleak breach]

How dare they

[waxen frigate]

Ban him

Crush his skull

[waxen frigate]

pov: you're my GM in shadowlands and i'm trying to explain why cache is actually bis on brewmaster over every other spec in the game

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

[jagged pier]

i got cache ez on my monk

i was close to PI in execute phases on warrior

[pallid quiver]

PI's a bit harder of a sell for random me

[warm plinth]

It was baseline in shadowlands. Still wasn't better.

[waxen frigate]

you really just cant compete unless you obscenely buff it

the stats and wDPS alone make that pretty set in stone

[warm plinth]

Yep. I guess you could theoretically do something weird where you made fury get increased stats/slower attack speed from 1h weapons

and made those numbers equal 2h of the same ilevel

[waxen frigate]

like

theres just

a really fucking simple solution

of just make it transmog

[warm plinth]

There is, yes

[waxen frigate]

i dont understand why they keep digging their heels in

it's so fuckign stupid

[warm plinth]

and while they're at it, they can make daggers moggable to other things

[pallid quiver]

just simply quintuple their attack speed with 1Hs

GCDs and all

[warm plinth]

do we level or do we key 🤔

[waxen frigate]

are you na or eu

[pallid quiver]

you pop in and kill sark in this pug raid that got to him

[warm plinth]

NA

[pallid quiver]

ezpz

[waxen frigate]

level w me

[warm plinth]

👀

[waxen frigate]

btag is linked to discord

im on my rogue

[warm plinth]

are you horde or alliance

[waxen frigate]

ally

[blazing condor]

why cant we queue dungeons cross faction

[warm plinth]

ok one sec

[waxen frigate]

spaghetti code

[blazing condor]

a lot of stuff u cant do cross faction whats the point

[pallid quiver]

"This is the world of WARcraft"

[waxen frigate]

its honestly impressive that we got xfac at all

[pallid quiver]

those people

[waxen frigate]

xfac is legitimately just a technological hurdle

[pallid quiver]

There's that, too, though I wager the queue system can be worked through easy enough at this point

[waxen frigate]

im sure they'll figure it out

[pallid quiver]

Guilds, unless they've fixed that, are a bit harder iirc

[waxen frigate]

but it's just undoing years and years of hardcoding

[blazing condor]

honestly worst part of blizz storytelling is the constant switch up between "grr we hate eachother and go to WAR" and "omg we must band together to defeat this common enemy"

[warm plinth]

Let me see if my mistweaver is set up

[blazing condor]

like just make a decision

[waxen frigate]

xfac guilds are a thing now

and they work fine

[blazing condor]

the horde and alliance arent at war anymore

[waxen frigate]

play brew >:)

[warm plinth]

in the same expansion even

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, from all the private server talk I've heard over the years, xfac guilds are the hardest part

[blazing condor]

[pallid quiver]

something something faction tied to character race or something, i dunno

[waxen frigate]

yeah like as much as ppl like to meme on them for "the technology isnt there"

xfac guilds are really impressive

theyre still jank in some ways

but they work for the most part

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/samer068new-spaghetti-pasta-gif-12474682

[blazing condor]

vault is boring when u only get small ilvl upgrades

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

it's got leech

unstoppable

[warm plinth]

My mage and war both got leech pieces this week :pog

[uncut notch]

That’s the jailers influence bro

[mortal dagger]

[warm plinth]

@waxen frigate I ain't mad at this

Good job rando prot war

[waxen frigate]

chad

[toxic geyser]

Is this trinket good though? Without leech that is

[jagged pier]

who said i picked it

[toxic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-lost-where-am-searching-gif-20292474

[waxen frigate]

it's not a bad trinket

[warm plinth]

It's a good trinket for what it is

But what it is, is a defensive trinket. Which we don't need.

[waxen frigate]

it's one of the two 'good' tank trinkets atm

well, i guess also cheat death

so 3

[toxic geyser]

Yeah. This was my understanding

[warm plinth]

Don't listen to Nish; he's not even 4k io

[waxen frigate]

real

[toxic geyser]

Nish is in every discord I look at

[rich wyvern]

Out of the loop - would you be able to explain what SMF stands for (and what titans grip is)?

[steep condor]

Is lingering sporepods trinket really bad for prot warrior? Reason I ask is i got a mythic one from vault and my current trinkets are hero mark of dragul and hero enduring dreadplate. No other decent choices in vault so would end up taking a socket.

[warm plinth]

Plus he ditched me after 3 timewalking dungeons so he has no staying power

[toxic geyser]

He’s a very vocal boy

[warm plinth]

It's really bad for everyone

[waxen frigate]

im in like

2 class discords actively

i sometimes post in acherus

[steep condor]

worse than the trinkets i already ahve? (the second one is the one im thinking about)

[warm plinth]

The only reason lingering sporepods isn't the worst trinket this season is because inexorable resonator exists

[waxen frigate]

im a chronic chatter

[toxic geyser]

Brew and Veng you were poppin off

[warm plinth]

Yes, enduring dreadplates actually isn't that terrible of a trinket

[steep condor]

ok i'll get a socket then i guess 😦

[pallid quiver]

it's terrible because it takes up loot spots I could use for loot

[warm plinth]

You should stop opening shit in prot spec though

[waxen frigate]

i talk in veng like once or twice a week

[warm plinth]

How do you handle being in fel hammer twice a week

[steep condor]

i wanted to replace that trinket and the game said FU and gave me a 1h, this trinket and a belt lol

[warm plinth]

I feel like I catch something even looking at the chat, much less participating

You want to open in arms for trinkets

[steep condor]

ok thx - bit sad about this now 😦 oh well.

[toxic geyser]

Me rn:

[warm plinth]

Not me wondering how Lycros is in the future

before I realized it was EU date

[jagged pier]

fury stuff

[blissful pebble]

Which trinket can you get in arms that you can't in Prot?

[waxen frigate]

all dps trinkets

[rich wyvern]

Ah

[jagged pier]

like all the dps trinkets

[steep condor]

in prot you get stupid 1h and shield in the table..

[warm plinth]

What Nish said

[toxic geyser]

Isn’t it just the date anywhere but North America?

[warm plinth]

No

[blissful pebble]

Which notable ones though I generally open in Prot to fish for forgestorm but perhaps thats not the play?

[warm plinth]

It's the date anywhere but the US

[rich wyvern]

Real data-oriented chads would do yyyy-mm-dd

[toxic geyser]

God. I gave you guys too much credit

[warm plinth]

If you want to fish for forgestorm, you can open in fury instead. That gives you forgestorm chance and trinket chance

Oh actually I guess Belize and Micronesia use our format too

[blazing condor]

speaking of Shadowlands and the Jailer

[blazing condor]

how come lich king in ICC could just insta kill us at the end of the encounter

but the jailer didnt

[toxic geyser]

Because he’s a pussy

[warm plinth]

Because Lich King is a real boss and Jailer is a marionette

[toxic geyser]

Well, *was

[rich wyvern]

Lich king is still a real boss

[blazing condor]

not rly i just one shot him

i got 3 shadowfrost pieces this week

[waxen frigate]

lots of guilds are about to find out how real he is

xdd

[blazing condor]

[prisma phoenix]

The best talent blizzard have ever come up with. You spend a talent point to literally do 10-15% less dmg than all other builds.

It's lowkey genius

[blazing condor]

its either "do you wanna dual wield one handers or two handers"

and right now two two-handers are better

i played smf in cata with two ZG maces

felt cool 🙂

[waxen frigate]

2 talent points

[prisma phoenix]

Well, the talent SMF itself is 1 point. If you want to get the follow-up, then sure 🤣

[uneven mason]

Also did less DPS than discipline priests in dragonsoul

[lavish sphinx]

10 months difference

[sweet summit]

i love him

[jagged pier]

i wuv him

[lavish sphinx]

Kit Kat

[lusty tiger]

He’s max vibing there

[toxic geyser]

What's everyones warrior named, preferably something along the lines of "commontheme-clap" or whatever

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[toxic geyser]

please, my ex guildie took my name on server to spite me

im on the edge of a precipice

[lavish sphinx]

Vunterwarr

Go for “Bottomclaps”

[toxic geyser]

Legend, ty ❤️

[lavish sphinx]

Hahaha

Mines derived from Vunterslaush from South Park

All my toons are Vunter something

[rich wyvern]

Tankybigpull

[sick sentinel]

inb4 morning pinged about somethng to do with doom (it should be in my bio)

i fucked it up and posted it in general instead of here

i called my warrior tankian as i am pretty much a metal head

[toxic geyser]

I fuck with that

[waxen frigate]

Nishangy

[toxic geyser]

Yeah I found you

because I genuinely thought you were 3999io

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

[sick sentinel]

401 hour youtube video

oh nvm its just the ending of it

[wild hemlock]

yoooo warrior looking pretty sick 10.2

warrior dk and dh looking pretty fun actually

[sick sentinel]

Only Prot players say Warrior is good lmao

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s almost like this is the prot channel

[sick sentinel]

It's almost like he made a generalized statement that was wrong

Warrior as a whole is not in a good position

Only Prot is

[jagged pier]

prots not really in a good spot ither

it will do fine

but we behind in damage

[sick sentinel]

So yeah, Woyer in bad position

[dusky canopy]

War down bad

Blizz

[chilly brook]

Woyer is fine

Arms still gonna be a great prog spec

Prot is looking actually pretty good

I will disagree with Jakey here

[dusky canopy]

I’ll still be a warrior chad though

[jagged pier]

the first iteration of the tier set put us on part in dps

[dusky canopy]

Good times and bad