It's almost like stats don't matter amirite
#protection
warm plinth
jagged pier
i dont think so
patent osprey
you can play 100% crit, but you also have to play godlike and is a bit riskier for the reward. You can play full haste verse and time 30 NL same goes with 31/32 NL. haste verse would be less riskier in survival more riskier on timer. But BOTH don't equate to a single key level
warm plinth
Right, as a tank at least, you're not going to be the one who makes or breaks a key level because you didn't have x% of a specific stat.
cerulean tusk
i dont think so
Poor old mastery, always ignored and forgotten 
patent osprey
the whole point of this conversation is you shouldn't tell people that come in here that NO VERSE IS WRONG, or CRIT IS WRONG
you should just ask them what their preference is
cerulean tusk
He kinda did tho
jagged pier
Poor old mastery, always ignored and forgotten <:sadge:820202363359854633>
hey i was inspecting random prots i saw in the world today 1 of them had 3 pieces of crit mastery crafted gear
warm plinth
Well, a lot of people say vers is bad, because we waged a war on everyone thinking you needed to stack vers. So naturally that transformed into "vers is garbage" because the WoW community is binary.
And they don't believe in gray areas
plush tendon
vers aint bad; vers make bacon hit harder
patent osprey
Well, a lot of people say vers is bad, because we waged a war on everyone thinki...
yup which is what i just try to preach everytime people bring up this conversation
jagged pier
we actaully dont say its bad we said its equal to crit
patent osprey
neither is wrong
jagged pier
well as haste effects are dots u want that for next tier for the set 
patent osprey
you always want haste T_T haste is forever king
plush tendon
at a certain point though... too much haste and my hand starts to hurt ๐ฆ
cerulean tusk
Nah crit/vers man
warm plinth
I don't even care if haste was the best stat or not. Sometimes you just gotta make the spec FEEL good you know
cerulean tusk
so you dont have to press shield block
uneven mason
we actaully dont say its bad we said its equal to crit
Don't sugar coat it Jakey, we hate vers here
sick sentinel
how is it exactly not exactly that dh tank is getting fixed
warm plinth
My war has like 50% mastery rn because I main fury ๐ Crit blocks for days
sick sentinel
im very DH player when it comes to dh
plush tendon
My war has like 50% mastery rn because I main fury ๐ Crit blocks for days
is it gonna be a fury or arms tier next season?
sick sentinel
like the type of dh u imagine when u hear demon hunter
warm plinth
Neither for me
I don't like arms, and fury is probably gonna have to play a shit build
So I'll be a prot boi again
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
uneven mason
So I'll be a prot boi again
The only real DPS spec for warriors
warm plinth
I cannot really claim a main anymore tbh
cerulean tusk
HC week 1 for lego 
uneven mason
Still boggling my mind
uneven mason
How many Lego weapons have guardian/feral druids ever gotten 0
This is what, the 3rd 2h str lego
cerulean tusk
2.9k cause you only do weeklies, eh?
vague drift
Cry more
warm plinth
Yeah I honestly never really pushed this season at all
uneven mason
Lego shield when
warm plinth
I think the highest key I've stepped into was like a 23
warm plinth
My team is very sporadic at best, so I went for fun alts over trying to push one
And the vast majority of weeks I just do 1 key a week on each one
plush tendon
How many Lego weapons have guardian/feral druids ever gotten 0
This is what, th...
yea, but you see the issue with feral and bears is they dont wield weapons
they just maul and swipe and bite
warm plinth
Yeah, team dissolved, got another pseudo team, now none of them are really playing anymore so I'm a pug boi
Every now and then I play w/ a friend or two
lusty tiger
How many Lego weapons have guardian/feral druids ever gotten 0
This is what, th...
atiesh
plush tendon
big part for people who play things like Warriors, Ret Paladins, DKs is having those big awesome weapons
uneven mason
Also literally what a dozen people got that?
strong forum
That being said
plush tendon
2h Str weapons there're been 1 legendary
Sulfuras and Shadowmourne no?
plush tendon
everyone forgets Sulfuras
cerulean tusk
Huehuehue
strong forum
Cuz that's usually a weapon they don't wear at all
plush tendon
cause Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of Windspeaker exists
strong forum
Devastation?
warm plinth
๐
strong forum
What's devastation
warm plinth
It counts guys
cerulean tusk
Fyrakks poop blade
warm plinth
It's the 2h str weapon on the Kael'thas fight in TK
strong forum
Ah
uneven mason
It's the 2h str weapon on the Kael'thas fight in TK <:keks:936231610850897992>
Doesn't exist
plush tendon
in regardless, weapons are a big deal for us strength classes especially the 2h bois; we all want things like Gorehowl, Ashbringer, Frostmourne etc.
literally can start naming the great weapons in wow lore like their characters
cerulean tusk
Not anymore tho
plush tendon
i dont think anyone gives a flip about what Jaina's staff is called
or Sylv's bow or what Malf wields
maybe Doomhammer comes close... but we got that in Legion
cerulean tusk
Doomhammer, only cause thrall kept repeating it
warm plinth
Honestly, I think legendary is a meme at this point.
Like, gavel was definitely a legendary strength weapon, even if it wasn't legendary
plush tendon
as long as its a big awesome wep; im stocked
uneven mason
It's the 2h str weapon on the Kael'thas fight in TK <:keks:936231610850897992>
The 2h from kt fight was not allowed to be picked up by me as a slam fury warrior, because I got mind controlled every time I picked it up and instantly killed all the healers
warm plinth
LMFAO
cerulean tusk
Well, when they put in legendary and it was unheard of from before...
Ye it a meme
plush tendon
it might be that they need to write new great lore weps; but I do agree the axe is kind of mid for a lego
shouldve gotten Frostmourne in SL
uneven mason
LMFAO
Our first kt kill our ret paladin stun locked and killed me the instant I got mc
warm plinth
As he should
What else is the point of your friends getting MCed if it's not to be able to kill them
uneven mason
But fuck that fight
warm plinth
That fight can burn in hell on the premise of the RP alone
uneven mason
16 minutes I think on that first kill
warm plinth
Yeah looking on wowhead, there's never been a 2h agility lego huh
Well, a non-bow 2h agility lego
uneven mason
Or any real "special" weapons
Technically feral could have used sulfuras
So I'll give them that
Since cat and bear used str in classic
warm plinth
Ehhhh not really
Agility gave double the AP that str did so you still wanted agility
uneven mason
Agility gave double the AP that str did so you still wanted agility
Other way around
Agi gave crit and 1:1
Str was 2ap
However agi gear generally had extra ap on the items
cerulean tusk
I just remember using agi gear on my warrior 
plush tendon
for warrior its like 3 agi= 1 str
or something
still, I think we can all agree.... as far as legendary weapons go.... the axe next tier is really mid
cerulean tusk
The poop cutter? Ye, it mid
warm plinth
I thought we didn't even know what it did yet?
plush tendon
IDK if there are any cool dragon weps in wow lore; do any of the aspects have weapons?
plush tendon
I thought we didn't even know what it did yet?
purely lore... not talking bout stats and stuff
for me, legendary weapons should be something recognizable for the player base so their like 'omg, I can get X Wep! This is awesome' and they can live out their nerdy dream of being that character
cerulean tusk
If only Fyrakk used the axe to some effect from the start
cerulean tusk
Planning for these things are hard, ya know 
The only legendary 2h weapon atm, is probably Remoria
plush tendon
you can make something up that fits the expansion
like cut scene of Neltharion using a big ass mace to shatter some old god jail cell and then Fryakk gets the mace, lights it on fire, and is gonna use it on the world tree
so when we kill him, we take the mace, cleanse it and now we got good guy dragon mace
but im just spit ballin; point is legendary weapons need some sort of lore/story build up so when they are announced everyone gets hyped and understands why a certain class is getting it and doesnt get upset; the axe just feels like they added it to the loot table as a orange and said 'here you go guys!'
and no one really cares about the weapon itself, just its stats and balancing
cerulean tusk
Legends are legendary because they got a legend
plush tendon
Legends are legendary because they got a legend
dont even know what its called... its just called... the legendary axe that we are waiting for tuning/stats on
real mid
uneven mason
for me, legendary weapons should be something recognizable for the player base s...
NGL I used gorehowl well into BT
plush tendon
cause it Gorehowl
cerulean tusk
Gorehowl being a epic, was sad
uneven mason
Because 900crit rating
plush tendon
This is what you think about when you see Gorehowl tmoged
and you are like.... I need that yesterday!
plush tendon
or Ashbringer
plush tendon
every Ret Paladin I see is still tmogging Ashbringer
cerulean tusk
Also too dark
plush tendon
cause its fucking Ashbringer
uneven mason
A bit too gory for nowdays tho
Tbh this is what people want in warcraft
cerulean tusk
Nah, I prefer my new cuddly night elves UwU mewmew
plush tendon
or for Alliance Warrior lovers... when can we get Varian's swords huh?
its not like Anduin is around anymore
cerulean tusk
When Anduin is corrupted and killed. Also, that would but three souls into those blades. Will be cramped
I don't want another Saurfang showing up in a clear Varian moment again. I love Saurfang... but that was just tone-deaf and stupid to add
cerulean tusk
Now that was the only character that was respected
plush tendon
That was a solid ending for him
cerulean tusk
It was perfect for him
Arthas felt like an attack on the viewer, but that could just be SW trauma. With the whole, let the past die and be forgotten theme going on
plush tendon
We didnt even get to see Arthas
plush tendon
we expected more.... and it was a mistake on our part
Arthas should've been front and center and been the one to help us take down Sylvannas or something
idk
at least more then just a ball of light with everyone being like 'lol Arthas, what a twerp. Go die'
cerulean tusk
Arthas should have been left in the crystal, maybe even saved from the Jailer by his #1 boy - Kel'Thuzzad
Anything but that.
plush tendon
and it was super strange cause we got that Uther cinematic pre launch that showed Arthas's last moments and him yeeting Arthas into the maw after we defeat him at ICC
cerulean tusk
Well, they did say - it wasn't Arthas that mattered. It was all the Jailooorz plansss
plush tendon
bro, its like 'naw it was the Jailer's plan... but actually it was the old gods plan! but get this, the old gods are playing into the Void lords plan and Sargaras, hes coming back cause the void lords dont know about his plan'
cerulean tusk
But yea, for someone so key for the story - they really just wanted him ignored and gone
New writers hated him, or something
I dunno
A lot of writers only care for their favorite and creations
It is a classic flaw
inland raft
It was a pretty shitty way to send off probably the most recognizable name from the franchise
plush tendon
retail wow is kind of in a weird space where all the OG lore characters we knew are either dying off or being replaced.... but we dont care enough about who they are being replaced with
like... whos in charge of the Horde again? some stupid council shit?.... wheres my god damn warchief Ion!!!
and whos top Orc? Etrigg? Mofo is like a million years old
or is top Orc fem Thrall from parallel universe... I no longer know
cerulean tusk
Who cares? Not like they are treated as agents in the story anyways
plush tendon
only recognizable Horde Leader anymore is Lor'themear
a flipping Blood Elf; I love BEs, but come on
plush tendon
I guess I dont... already faction swapped anyways
Human and Dwarves for the win I guess
at least I know Turalyon
uneven mason
only recognizable Horde Leader anymore is Lor'themear
I get triggered every time I think about what they've done (or haven't) with Baine
plush tendon
its more like... I can get at least somewhat excited about Alliance lore characters....I remember when WoD came out I instantly race swapped from BE to Orc cause all those Orc characters making a appearance with cool cinematics and storys and Im like 'ya, I want to be that'
nothing cooler then the Blackhand cinematic on the ship fighting Duratan and that Draenei lady or Grommosh cinematic
was siq AF
cerulean tusk
Ah, getting thrown off a cliff by the big bad. Surely this will arc back to him rising back up, climbing to the top and pushing the Jailer down!
Nop
sick sentinel
is lords of the fallen 2023 the same as lords of the fallen 2014
cerulean tusk
AFK in oriboss
lusty tiger
uneven mason
Oh Newports, if I had a choice between Newports and taking a drag on a truck exhaust, I'd probably take the truck
uneven mason
Diesel exhaust tastes better
daring marlin
uneven mason
On that subject, menthol is banned in Canada
Because flavored cigs attract kids
At the same time you can get cotton candy flavored vape juice
tender cove
Only missing 1 or 2 ingridents for a real good time xD
All that and no drugs? aint fooling me at least xD
wasnt there a couple years ago where some top guild forced/encouraged their raiders to take like ritalin etc? Wasn't blood legion? That US guild with that "marine" RL meme dude?
uneven mason
Idk but if you're going to get a type of legal speed might as well go full Adderall
tender cove
elvanse for lisdexamphetamine would be ideal, cure that add/adhd while you at it xD
uneven mason
Yeah I miss my ADHD meds
lusty tiger
adhd meds give me the shits
uneven mason
adhd meds give me the shits
Keeps me regular
lusty tiger
they arent solid
tender cove
It requires a 2 year investigation with urine testing in my country but here where im at now? just walk into the pharmacy and buy it.
It helps and it calms me down but it also makes me feel pretty strange
uneven mason
I'm fuckin old, gotta take something to keep the waterslide wet
lusty tiger
the
opaque quest
My cat can see the middle of his food bowl because i didnt get his favorite food today. If i am found dead. Tell the police to investigate my death as murder
lusty tiger
the
uneven mason
It requires a 2 year investigation with urine testing in my country but here whe...
I'm in Canada and no one will prescribe it even though I have a diagnosis
lusty tiger
waterslide...?
uneven mason
waterslide...?
Ever gone down a waterside without water
tender cove
I'm in Canada and no one will prescribe it even though I have a diagnosis
I was diagnosed at 13... Have tried to get it legally for decades... Nobody will prescribe it without the investigation. Even my GM has pleaded for them to prescribe it to me but nope
GM = General physician.
uneven mason
So I just supplement with nicotine and caffeine
tender cove
Its a ultra schedlued drug and only specially licensed doctors WITH terapist/psycoligal education are allowed it. Because you have to have counseling together with itl
It sucks...
lusty tiger
being wired all the time sounds awful
uneven mason
That's what not having the meds is like for ADHD people, speed actually calms us down
Caffeine is actually better for sleep aid than melatonin for me
lusty tiger
i had a buddy w adhd and ocd and he seemed like he was on 100mg addy permanently despite never taking any
he also drove irl like you do in GTA at max speed
uneven mason
Yeah Adderall is speed for norms, it makes ADHD people functional
uneven mason
he also drove irl like you do in GTA at max speed
Gotta get that serotonin
uneven mason
I mean some people are just lazy and stupid
uneven mason
ADHD tends to be more about jumping between impulse and hyper fixated
opaque quest
I cant even play wow without it
lusty tiger
I cant function without my MediKinet
wtf is that
opaque quest
Its the german version of your ADHD drugs
lusty tiger
ive tried all my roommates diff adhd meds over the years
and i gotta say concerta is really sus
vyvanse is really good
uneven mason
and i gotta say concerta is really sus
Concerta gives you pregnant women bladder
uneven mason
Don't go more than 15,feet from the toilet otherwise you're going to piss yourself
lusty tiger
but yea it makes me feel like imma piss my pants
omg i took an edible w concerta a few times
lusty tiger
i literally thought i was pissing my pants over an entire car ride
no i never did
but i thought i did
uneven mason
Adderall made me stop eating
Which sucked because I actually lost about 20lbs of muscle
tender cove
vyvanse is really good
vyvanse = elvanse. Just different names for NA/EU
lusty tiger
one time i took 5 IR 10mg adderalls at school then had practice ran like 2 laps and started puking
uneven mason
Yeah Vyvanse has been the most stable
tender cove
Same for me
that lisdexa though, you also have one other type of amfetamine that works super well but forgot. Racematic perhaps
all the others are dervierates or whatever its called or "new" drugs but the most stable has always been different type of amfetamine
uneven mason
Listening to Gloryhammer almost motivates me to play a ret paladin
tender cove
I wish my brain wasnt like this though... Always going on overdrive, always overthinking and overanalyzing and spending hours per day thinking up different scenarios based on input given. Its really tiring at times... And sure, having started vyanse here, it helps a fuckton but its not without cost or tradeoff... After reaching steadystate levels after about a week... Appetite is down by half. Sleep is down by half. I'm on TRT so cant lose muscle but it still meh... Dont know what I prefer, plague or the black death
that seems like the choice
Plus you're literally on speed which makes me a lot more outwards and social but its also expresses itself like this. Just talking out loud a bit xD
uneven mason
I prefer being medicated, just because I have to have functional memory for work
tender cove
I prefer being medicated, just because I have to have functional memory for work
I'm on my 9th day now.
uneven mason
Plus you're literally on speed which makes me a lot more outwards and social but...
I mean ADHD people over share
tender cove
I mean ADHD people over share
Yeh im painfully aware ๐ฆ
tender cove
trt pog
my eu doc prescribed me 150mg per week because "you're already fucked and healthrisk between 100 and 150 is not worth thinking about"
Jelly? ๐
since i came here though (its legal here) i've been sorta irresponsible and crusising on 200 cuz why not ๐
tender cove
I had that for a few months (its pre req for getting ze juice) and i hated it.
I got rashes, i overdid because i felt it was weak, and I actually had gf at the time and couldnt touch her for 6 hours
it was just a nightmare
tender cove
but bro, 120mg topically daily, what does it actually absorb because thats like 900 weekly ???
gram doses bro
??
tender cove
ng/dl right?
thats pretty respectable numbers tbh
but it absorbs horrible... My undeconate at that? would put me at like 4-5000
if not more, i'd had todo the conversion and ton of math and i suck at math but a lot is what i know 120mg undeconate would be ๐
lusty tiger
hah
grand veldt
On the opening pull of NL, I did a 26 yesterday, and the only reason I lived was because I had 16% leech, and healed with leech more than I healed with ignore pain
Avoidance is great but if I had to pick between the two I feel like leech provides more overall surv outside of specific mechanics
And I agree with everything pika said about haste vers stacking
lusty tiger
On the opening pull of NL, I did a 26 yesterday, and the only reason I lived was...
drop log
grand veldt
Sure
cerulean tusk
Avoidance would reduce the DoT and all the tank busters that you dont SR
Hold up - is avoidance still all DoT and AoE effects, or only AoE now? Second guessing myself
lusty tiger
aoe
cerulean tusk
Ye, my brain tingled there - it did its job
grand veldt
drop log
The key bricked halfway through, but here is the log for the first pull I am referencing https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PjtfHr9NMYVb3yqp#fight=10&pull=1
I asked the paladin to bop me, he refused, gave me a sac to gather instead which burned my best external off the RIP before I even planted
I actually have the whole vod for the run too
chilly brook
i see
lusty tiger
also the sham didnt AG
grand veldt
You can use bop to gather
When no one is in combat
They don't get aggro
You use it to get to the scorpion without having to use any CDs
grand veldt
Something I learned from watching Pika and Dorki
grand veldt
I thought I was dead multiple times throught the pull, my cheat death got burned very early https://www.twitch.tv/dogshitpaladin/v/1943601479?sr=a&t=13724s
Should be timestamped
grand veldt
u pugging?
I had 2 friends in there but only 1 on comms
And yeah
Generally I'm always pugging
I'm actually really jealous of people that have friends and teams committed to certain play times. I'm really envious of the consistency they get to have
charred ivy
how u guys deal with chomp from basilisk uldaman? just run or? xD
torn gulch
you can backstep some of them
grand veldt
Generally what happens to me is I'll stoneskin
torn gulch
rest is defensives
grand veldt
And I'll get hit by a million spells
torn gulch
you can tehnically backstep all of them
grand veldt
Cheat will proc, then I'll die
torn gulch
i think range is 6 yards?
charred ivy
yeah idk i use shield wall and defensive stance and all shit
patent osprey
you can tehnically backstep all of them
They fervent :p so yeah back stepping is an option but dead melee
charred ivy
they just pump this shit on me and i try run. they hit me anyway
grand veldt
They fervent :p so yeah back stepping is an option but dead melee
Yeah, for the lizards I just kite
charred ivy
any other dung no problemo
grand veldt
I dont fuck with it
charred ivy
come to uldaman BAM
torn gulch
They fervent :p so yeah back stepping is an option but dead melee
well someone needs to die 
patent osprey
Yeah, for the lizards I just kite
Dead melee kek
grand veldt
They only die if you let them cast
You have to be close enough for them to start cast
torn gulch
it's ok in like 5-6 weeks we're changing dungeons
patent osprey
Sheild wall first bites, dwarf 2nd. Shield wall 3rd, healer external 4th, pray u have a good defensuve trinket + spam heal 5th
Cheat 6th
torn gulch
then we're gonna be wrecked by things like that triple mage pack before the mage boss in everbloom
grand veldt
You're insane
patent osprey
then we're gonna be wrecked by things like that triple mage pack before the mage...
That hits everyone not just tank
So were fine
charred ivy
lol xD
grand veldt
If you think I'm gonna take multiple 3x stacks of that bleed on bolster fortify
charred ivy
good then haha
torn gulch
That hits everyone not just tank
deadx5
grand veldt
It hits anyone closest to them in a radius
But only if they cast
If you ROP
Frost ring
Etc
And never get in range
Yeah the tank loses dps
But everyone else is much safer
Vortex works too
Dnd slow is strong
Unless you got a real gamer group, I dont think you should try to tank those point blank
cerulean tusk
I just kite the bites as they are cast on me, seems to work fine. If I am melee DPS I sidestep away when targeted.
Ranged is living the simple good life
potent anvil
Crocodiles are banned in Uldaman 
charred ivy
Other kind of tanks when I DPS seem to just facetank it idk xD
potent anvil
Every crocodile has a chomp and bleed. NL and Uldaman are basically copy/pasted. They are scary.
lusty tiger
dwarf?
fallen spindle
ye, im just bad
fallen spindle
i didten have fear or storm bolt, no, no aug in party
lusty tiger
i think all evokers get caut
jagged pier
All evokers can bleed cleanse
fallen spindle
it was a break the meta grp
lusty tiger
:nooo:
fallen spindle
and shit just hits hard, and i got bad talents cos im a lazy shit
strong forum
All my homies hate uldaman
fallen spindle
ye, its a wild doungen, those stone dudes and chompers are insane
lusty tiger
Healing uldaman was kinda fun
stop the cap
strong forum
Cuz everything takes brainpower rn
And I got comfortable with my buttons quickly so maybe that's it moreso than the dungeon itself
fallen spindle
ow, thats why i failed the grp, im stupid
strong forum
I feel like I'm actually contributing to my group with rsham 
pallid cargo
Heya everyone , new prot warrior here , i'm understand the basics of the class but would like to hear more advanced tips from y'all
fallen spindle
I feel like I'm actually contributing to my group with rsham <:peepoHappyFisher:...
nce
i'
lusty tiger
Heya everyone , new prot warrior here , i'm understand the basics of the class b...
any logs?
lusty tiger
I feel like I'm actually contributing to my group with rsham <:peepoHappyFisher:...
they do some good dam
strong forum
Idk what's good healer dam
lusty tiger
Idk what's good healer dam
40k+
lusty tiger
then ur fine
fallen spindle
if you have fun and the doungen is timed, then its a win in my book
strong forum
Well duh it's just 17s
lusty tiger
not a big deal
strong forum
Impossible not to time them
fallen spindle
dont say that ๐
lusty tiger
hah
strong forum
Still would need to grind out like... 20 crests
lusty tiger
With 425ish ilvl
beacon + really big pulls help with hitting like 40k lol
strong forum
lusty tiger
yea im juicing up my dk
strong forum
beacon + really big pulls help with hitting like 40k lol
I basically only have 1 trinket, but it's hc rashok got super lucky
lusty tiger
I basically only have 1 trinket, but it's hc rashok got super lucky
VERY nice scoop
strong forum
That trinket is so broken
lusty tiger
nome u know where the logging instructions are?
fallen spindle
ow, that one all the healers would sell butt for ye?
lusty tiger
homie needs em
strong forum
ow, that one all the healers would sell butt for ye?
Ye, yoinked it easy in pug
fallen spindle
damn.....lucky butt
strong forum
nome u know where the logging instructions are?
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if youโre new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
๐ธFirst, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/pvp) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you donโt want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
๐ธSecond, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight youโre interested in putting up as a log and boom(kin) youโre done.
๐ธThird, once youโve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if youโre doing something wrong.
There's the pasta
lusty tiger
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
@pallid cargo
pallid cargo
Alright will check it !
lusty tiger
log a couple runs and we can give you the most advanced tips there are
but for ezpz
- never miss a ss reset
- never overcap rage
- send CDs on CD
strong forum
Ah right advanced tips
pallid cargo
Missing a shield slam reset ? ๐ฎ
fallen spindle
btw, how many runs is + sb + sw in doungens, is that normal to use so many cc or am i just freaking slow in the head
lusty tiger
unless it is ss
strong forum
Dunno about advanced, but check out the macro I linked in the pins here
If you use spell reflect on CD you use it better than 90% of players
- SS is your highest prio button
- SW is ~1min CD when played well use it often
Not rly advanced but general things worthy to be pointed out
Pwar is quite simple since DF so generally just hit your dmg buttons on CD, keep up SB, use IP to prevent overcapping of rage
And treat revenge as your SS reset button and to apply deep wounds in aoe
lusty tiger
pallid cargo
Oh okay ! It's true that i doesn't use shield wall often and i should use my defensive cd's more often
strong forum
Yes
CDs are there to be used
Not to be held on to
The only time you actively hold a CD is when you know you'll have to use that CD specifically for an upcoming mechanic soon
pallid cargo
Alright !
modern brook
Did someone mention advanced tips?
strong forum
Idk what I'd classify as advanced
Maybe the general rule that any swing of a weapon or shot with a bow is generally considered blockable
Any spell that's a singular cast on your specifically is usually reflectable (like frostbolt type spells)
But weapon attacks like "flame slash" that are inherently magical, are not blockable unless you use spellblock
lusty tiger
possibly the rage feedback loop?
pallid cargo
Interesting interactions between spells...
The only thing i don't understand is how to use ignore pain
Like should i spam it or keep it until it breaks
I don't really understand the spell sorry for being braindead 
strong forum
Ignore pain is the secret to prot dps and the sole reason to do well or poorly
grand veldt
I dont know the list, but dratnos suggested there a handful of ranged attacks in the game that you could spell reflect with intervene
lusty tiger
only press ip to prevent wasting rage
strong forum
So not at all a braindead question
grand veldt
Btw
strong forum
I dont know the list, but dratnos suggested there a handful of ranged attacks in...
Literally a handful
pallid cargo
Alright so if i understand ignore pain is like something that absorb a certain amount then make an explosion of that amount ?
fallen spindle
ow, i can see im a meat head, all prot warr's runs with imtimidating shout and storm bolt.....meh
strong forum
Yes
modern brook
Alright so if i understand ignore pain is like something that absorb a certain a...
If only
strong forum
Alright so if i understand ignore pain is like something that absorb a certain a...
No ignore pain itself doesn't do any dmg, it's just an absorb that reduces dmg for 50% until the dmg exceeds your absorb
lusty tiger
strong forum
So say you take 10k dmg and you have a 50k ignore pain
You reduce the dmg you take to 5k and are left with 45k IP
If you take 50k dmg and you have 50k ignore pain
You reduce it to 25k and 25k IP
modern brook
lusty tiger
nome's IP accounting class
strong forum
Or that
modern brook
I hope I was fast enough to save your typing
lusty tiger
but its use is to prevent your rage from going past 100
modern brook
I have screens of all your advances tips 
strong forum
Now how to use ignore pain
When you play optimally, you'll press ignore pain roughly every 4 seconds just to prevent overcapping of rage
That's just an average, you'll use it more often during cds and slightly less often outside of them
The idea is, even if your IP is capped
You want to still get rid of the excess rage you're building up to get benefits from anger management outburst and indomitable
But the crux of the spiel is that you don't want to oversend ignore pain
Because if you oversend it, you'll be left without rage to use on SB or to press revenge to reset your shield slam in the event that TC or your auto attack didn't reset it in time
What's the most lethal for pwar is not having SS resets for an extended period of time outside of your offensive CDs rolling
lusty tiger
I have screens of all your advances tips <:wicked:937093876857045012>
under the nome candle shrine in your closet?
modern brook
In my private discord
lusty tiger
: D
modern brook
#nomeshrine is in-between #recipes and #fuckihatemyjob
lusty tiger
LMFAO
strong forum
Now you also want to have IP up for major mechanics hitting you and generally when you're taking dmg, you should not aim to have full uptime. What matters the most is keeping the rotation going without drying out
It's a huge chunk of our survivability
I generally use IP at 60-80 rage
If you know you'll have an influx of rage incoming soon via CDs or Outburst you can use it sooner
Or specifically press IP even at low rage to get the last few seconds on CDR on Avatar or get an outburst proc
Lots of wall of text but proper IP usage is basically our core mechanic
Besides just hitting shield slam as much as you can
And to Tldr the thing with rage feedback
- Our main goal is to generate as much rage as you can without overcapping
- more rage = more CDs = more dmg and surv
- more rage = more outburst and avatars = more rage again
modern brook
^the above is also why haste ends up being our best secondary basically no matter what. More haste compresses the gcd which let's you push more rage Gen and spending into the same time window, which increases cd uptime, etc etc etc
(Advanced addendum)
warm plinth
#nomeshrine is in-between #recipes and #fuckihatemyjob
I imagine this is 100% true and it's headcanon now even if it isn't.
strong forum
Also hi @patent osprey how you doin, saw you typing
lusty tiger
I imagine this is 100% true and it's headcanon now even if it isn't.
it is
strong forum
Fuck am I looking at
patent osprey
Also hi <@133743762999476224> how you doin, saw you typing
hello @strong forum ^.^ I must of butt keyboarded
I had a bunch of adfuiobnoenoniadhsf
modern brook
I imagine this is 100% true and it's headcanon now even if it isn't.
Nomeshrine my have been called "wowstuff" before hand
strong forum
Ah the cat problem
warm plinth
Close enough
lusty tiger
Nomeshrine my have been called "wowstuff" before hand
they call me the ministry of truth
๐ค
someone... is trying to troll
lusty grotto
ow, i can see im a meat head, all prot warr's runs with imtimidating shout and s...
you dont like stops in keys? wat
thats not being a meathead, but there is another word for it
lusty grotto
close enough
warm plinth
I would fuck that up
fallen spindle
thats not being a meathead, but there is another word for it
a sweet little cutie pie? ๐
lusty tiger
daring marlin
https://tenor.com/view/cake-gif-19736043
MF
lusty grotto
well youre just starting, guilford was lvl 70 already he just needs to catch up on story
lusty grotto
how you liking it so far
lusty tiger
very chill
i described to my buddy... like if it were the best mmo ever made on the xbox360
lusty grotto
its really rough up, up until Stormblood
but the story is fucking great at the end of ARR
jagged gust
can you track parries in logs?
lusty tiger
is there a way that i can view the story not during my playthrough i dont have the patience for cutscenes while im trying to level
im zoomer brained
jagged gust
I can see hit% and mitigation but not sure how much of that is playing into other DR stats or mob miss rates
lusty tiger
18
lusty grotto
no
warm plinth
bruh
lusty grotto
the end of ARR
warm plinth
look at this absolute fucking gamer
lusty tiger
OKE o7 10-4 copy that
jagged gust
Is that a DST? Fucking legend
lusty grotto
jeree
warm plinth
He's got a full TW set
lusty tiger
cool im glad my skipping so far hasnt been... bad to my story experience(which i have heard is very very good)
lusty grotto
yeah early ARR will give you some background but its so fucking slow
and filled with pointless garbage
at the very least pay attention to when you go after the primals
if anything
thats it
and then garlemald
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
i did all of them after i capped in ShB
well i kind of have a shitton of them i havent unlocked island sanctuaries in EW lol
at least now i mean
wind oak
Sidequests are the real content
what's that ?
oblique garnet
what's that ?
FF sidequests
wind oak
i'm in limsa lominsa RP time
sick sentinel
no special way to trigger engineer failures every time for discovery recipes right
like, you can go to raid boss reset it
but it doesnt fail every time
might just have to sit online for an hour or 2, 10 minute egg timer, lol
main smelt
I'll note you down
tender cove
ohhh, that moment when you see loki s02 on torrents
ouff ๐
not even sure why i even keep paying for disney plus xD
lusty grotto
ima put a log check for my arms cause im sucking @dusky canopy
choco pls halp too
i dropped a tag
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
lets gooo
sick sentinel
fast crude mspaint some old mmo i dont know name of, probably gunna post to reddit had more 3d graphics tuan rs2 but not as much as wowi think instead of squirel its a rabbitand there us old man npc in house
ill clean it up more later but i probably played this like 4 hrs total max
inland raft
where is the sim yourself gif?
lusty grotto
warm plinth
where is the sim yourself gif?
Not a gif, just an emoji
@strong forum did you have a chance to check out that log I tagged you in yesterday?
the BSV one
lusty grotto
a bsv log?
warm plinth
Yeah the one that shows that it might not actually be bugged anymore
warm plinth
It procced between 30-35% every time and only procced 5 times in the log. So I am wondering if they ended up accidentally reverting it to the 35% cutoff that it had during beta
lusty grotto
doing tw
but
did you check brute dmg?
let me finish here and ill take a look but obv nome would be better
warm plinth
Brute damage?
lusty grotto
unmitigated vs mitigated
warm plinth
Oh, I was just looking at what health % he was at when it procced in the resources tab.
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
I added a decorator for the buff and then just looked at resources around the time each one procced
pallid quiver
<@192743144276623360> did you have a chance to check out that log I tagged you i...
He did; he posterd about it a bit later
warm plinth
Ah, what did he say
pallid quiver
The overall summary if I remember was that it proc'd enough over region that he wouldn't say that it's fixed or working properly, but it's probably changed how it's calculating. He put some theories out and then pinged a man to investigate and then I went to bed
warm plinth
Ah okay
pallid quiver
I recall something about damage in a time period or something being a theory
Convo was there
So if there's an update, it'd be on Meyra's end
warm plinth
Gotcha, thanks sir
lusty grotto
these unblocked melees triggered it
BSV goes off at 20.263
this is the complete list i guess
i guess we gotta look at total hp
and compare that with mitigated vs unmitigated dmg
i guess meyra can check?
though i suppose the conversation came up due to your log
pallid quiver
Someone mentioned that BSV was working properly for them during some convo or other so they put out this log
lusty grotto
oh is it not after ghash posted his?
pallid quiver
It looks like it's working close to properly enough, but it did proc at like 40% or something
lusty grotto
err or the dude
warm plinth
Nah the log that I mentioned Nome in was that guy's log
We were saying it didn't work properly because we saw he was using it
But it worked at least somewhat appropriately in the log, so we were wondering out loud if it had been fixed or what changed or whatever
weary saddle
does spell block stop the Basilisk debuff in Uldaman?
lusty grotto
no its a bleed
weary saddle
i keep melting cos of basilisks, not sure what else i can do.
lusty grotto
cause youre taking bleed stacks
have your aug evoker cauterize them
or have a pally bop and then cancelaura
or
be a dwarf
weary saddle
can i avoid the bleed if i stutter step?
weary saddle
ok thanks
weary saddle
icc
lusty grotto
spiked carapace is the cast
chomp is the bleed
you cant spell block the carapace dot though
just the initial damage hit
use stops/kicks or LoS, and avoid chomp if you cant Dwarf/Cauterize/BoP it
weary saddle
ok
lusty grotto
i wouldnt recommend kiting, rage intake goes to 0 if you do that but you gotta do what you gotta do
warm plinth
I gotta do you
warm plinth
๐
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> did you have a chance to check out that log I tagged you i...
You can start reading from here
lusty grotto
yeah luerce linked that
strong forum
Ah
warm plinth
yeh I read through that, so we're basically waiting on the other guy to see if he can figure out exactly what's going on
Since it's clearly doing something weird lol
strong forum
"My current theory that I'll explore later tonight is post-mit but pre-absorb/block with a touch of random fuckery"
warm plinth
pallid cargo
Oooh i see ! So i just need to use IP when i don't want to overcap in rage and there's some big dmg incoming
mighty valley
You can cut out the second part - you'd use IP even if there was no damage happening to you to prevent overcapping
cinder nova
What the hell happened to our tier, I must have missed something.
mighty valley
consuming all remaining bleed damage was doing pretty huge dps
so they dropped it to 40%. which was a reasonable nerf to the proc itself for the bleeds we constantly reapply passively
but legit just ate a bunch of the TR bleed damage
so they bumped that part only back up to 100%
lusty grotto
nothing they just made it way better than what it was for ST
so its super solid now for everything
jagged gust
Is fury good yet?
vital oak
Is fury good yet?
Wrong channel mate.
jagged pier
Yer but ppl scared to go there its understandable
pallid quiver
Archi scary, to quote someone before
vital oak
I can appreciate that. There's a lot of zug in that place.
median tulip
Neither of the Warrior DPS specs are good
jagged pier
They get leggo tho
median tulip
Do you prefer a buff uptime spec, or a debuff uptime spec?
jagged pier
And we dont know how good that is
vital oak
Archi scary, to quote someone before
No wait! Really?!? Someone actually SAID that!!!!!
vital oak
Do you prefer a buff uptime spec, or a debuff uptime spec?
buff, for me it's easier to see and track.
median tulip
And we dont know how good that is
Doesn't matter to me, both of them are awful to play in DF
vital oak
Plus you don't have to "spread" it to all the mobs.
pallid quiver
No wait! Really?!? Someone actually SAID that!!!!!
At any rate, yeah, someone said that before
lusty grotto
archi IS scary
im trying to figure out what augs drop for sleepwalk
fuck im gonna have to get into another class disc ๐ฆ
mighty valley
last i was playing DF fury it was like the same as it ever was, except with more stacked burst CDs
didn't really feel any more of a "buff uptime spec" than it ever did
median tulip
I was oversimplifying for slightly comedic effect; fundamentally I find all DPS classes somewhat dull
But they really did do Arms badly in DF
lusty grotto
idk
i like arms atm
i mean i also liked it with gavel but shit
i only played s1 and s4
chilly brook
i like arms atm
it's not terrible but it has some glaring issues
like it's fun yea
but they need to fix the rage issue
lusty grotto
griff
what do you drop for sleepwalk
and for enrage soothe
and for weyrnstone
oh
instinctive arcana it is
leaping or ancient flame i guess
chilly brook
what do ya need weyrnstone for?
lusty grotto
2nd boss BH
you get eaten, weyrnstone out
same thing as bubbling
aside from giga mdi skips, i just wanna know what to drop for it
im not gonna need it right now
chilly brook
aside from giga mdi skips, i just wanna know what to drop for it
probably twin guardians?
lusty grotto
idk twin guardians is very good
chilly brook
could also drop leaping
chilly brook
idk twin guardians is very good
yeah but you're gonna have to lose something for that
lusty grotto
uhh yeah but weyrnstone is the spec tree
im thinking leaping/ancient for sleep walk etc
apparently you drop font of magic
lusty grotto
im kinda perma playing clobbering sweep now cause the stops are pretty good
instead of ancient flame
shorter cd tail swipe is dope
chilly brook
my aug is on life support
lusty grotto
well thats even better
jagged pier
Why come back to a dead spec 
lusty grotto
warm plinth
top tier build in a timewalking
lusty grotto
lol
pallid quiver
i'm seeing cursed shit in the corner of my eye
lusty grotto
builds like this happen so often im no longer surprised
pallid quiver
where is that guy even managing to put points in the spec tree
that's honestly impressive
Went as far out of his way as possible to avoid getting SC and Ravager
lusty grotto
i like how they avoided both Rally and Intervene with bloodborne
jagged pier
That is a build
Its probably i see thing on meter i give ponts to it
Like rend is probably high for them so they give it bb
Shockwave will be high so sonicboom they think does somthing
chilly brook
Why come back to a dead spec <:deadge:900279927138578432>
warrior is life
jagged pier
lusty tiger
median tulip
top tier build in a timewalking
No Anger Management!?
I don't care what kind of special snowflake you want to play, AM is mandatory
blazing condor
lusty grotto
No Anger Management!?
no avatar either
he has 0 cdr for wall
and didnt pick AM because he doesnt have avatar lol
must be a classic andy
thinking wall is a 4 min cd
and wants to keep it that way
median tulip
It has been a long long time since Classic
lusty grotto
well it was 30 min
the cd
hey its been a long time since vanilla, but classic happened
so
it is what it is
median tulip
I don't really grok Classic players. I went play Classic at one point; didn't even get out of the valley of trials.
zealous willow
How is prot warr looking for new season like tier set and stuff?
chilly brook
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
Youโre only reacting like this because now your dream of me making an EU augvoker is dead
median tulip
And I played the shit outta it in 2004
jagged pier
Youโre only reacting like this because now your dream of me making an EU augvoke...
u didnt need to remind me
lusty grotto
i played it because my friends were hopping on and there was nothing else to do
they quit and i just stayed for speed runs
cause they were kinda fun
jagged pier
60 pre raid tanking was the only fun thing about classic
proper stance dancing
bring her back
lusty grotto
and after a few naxx speed runs i just quit without any reason to go again even on expansions
median tulip
How is prot warr looking for new season like tier set and stuff?
AIUI the 2pc is decent, the 4pc is meh, but neither of them changes your playstyle or ability priority very much.
chilly brook
I actually really like hardcore classic
jagged pier
lusty tiger
jagged pier
i think im like lvl 26 on hardcore am bored
chilly brook
But thatโs also like a โI hop on it once every other week when I got nothing better to doโ game
lusty grotto
like oh i did this raid in vanilla, but now its a speedrun, so there's some novelty
lusty tiger
i think im like lvl 26 on hardcore am bored
Thatโs because itโs boring and vanilla isnโt meant to be played hardcore
jagged pier
well ive also lvled on classic a lot of times
lusty tiger
Same
jagged pier
ive played private servers in the past etc
i dont know how the classic andies can keep doing it
and claim its like a better experience
brah no
lusty grotto
How is prot warr ranked for dps ? 0-10 for s3
maybe ask within a month, the patch is not due until nov
lusty tiger
It is better because itโs on like the legion client lol
lusty grotto
kinda weird that youre asking this early
chilly brook
Thatโs because itโs boring and vanilla isnโt meant to be played hardcore
I actually found hardcore changes the way I look at the game in general, and ironically it ends up being something more akin to what vanilla was supposed to be
zealous willow
someone maybe played ptr and stuff , just asking
median tulip
Hardcore is just... like, bro; Sons of Arugal gonna fuck you up
jagged pier
I actually found hardcore changes the way I look at the game in general, and iro...
i literally play it the same way
jagged pier
because dying in hardcore is literally just dont make a mistake
or pull 3 mobs
or go in cave with yellow mobs
zealous willow
classic atm with groups allowed and ah is not more hc
jagged pier
stuff u never do anyway cause its slower to lvl that way
chilly brook
<:copium:839076283467431956>
Not really copium, a lot of non classic Andyโs I know have echoed the same sentiment
lusty grotto
if its fun for you, its fun for you
zealous willow
u can do all quests and group with ppl for everything , if u have goldu can one shot mobs with super gear nothing hc anymore
chilly brook
Yes the addon was harder who cares
Lol
You can still impose those limits on yourself
jagged pier
ooo wow i put restriction on myself even tho classic is the hardest verison of the game
zealous willow
in my opinion addon made the hc good , now its just hype that streamers use to make $
lusty grotto
i remember too
jagged pier
CLASSIC IS HARDER THAN RETAIL
lusty tiger
Vanilla has way too many issues to be played hc, especially with all the hyperspawning and bullshit
lusty grotto
you actually dont have to remember, classic andies still say it to this day
merry pond
true
lusty grotto
that was a thing i kept repeating here before classic came out
lusty tiger
Classic is harderโฆ to level
lusty grotto
its not harder, its more time consuming, there's a difference
chilly brook
Vanilla has way too many issues to be played hc, especially with all the hypersp...
I agree for sure, itโs the biggest problem with it tbh
zealous willow
vanilla idea was to intruduce ppl to wolrd of warcraft WORLD. Main focus was Questing , Exploring the zones and LORE
its only good for 1-60
lusty tiger
Vanilla raiding is fun if you have Covid lockdown amounts of time
median tulip
its not harder, its more time consuming, there's a difference
I think a lot of the classic andies think that is harder, and is the point
jagged pier
Vanilla raiding is fun if you have Covid lockdown amounts of time
was fun until my guild that had cleared stuff before world buffs said we needed them to clear the same content (we werent going to speed run)
g quit on the spot
not wasting hours to get world buffs
to then not play my char
k bye
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
you know the kind of bullshit we had to do in alliance
zealous willow
Kungen is so mad he cant keep up with addons and new stuff in retail , he spit and hates on DF 24/7 and praising vanilla
chilly brook
Idk thereโs a lot of things that vanilla does well
Thereโs a lot of things that are terrible about it though as well
merry pond
I watched Kungen try playing Prot warr in retail.... It wasn't pleasant.
lusty grotto
we didnt really go for the swing speed buff on vanilla
jagged pier
Kungen is so mad he cant keep up with addons and new stuff in retail , he spit a...
i cant keep up with retail remeber when he was gunna come back in SLs and get top 100 guild because retail is easy, then his guild didnt clear hc CN
chilly brook
I would really like to see classic plus but itโs copium
jagged pier
i meber
lusty grotto
but we HAD to have it on classic
jagged pier
then
lusty grotto
and if you were alliance, you were super fucked
jagged pier
because everyone was raiding he did mythic + didnt even time a 15 got rank 1 because everyone else was raiding
lusty tiger
we didnt really go for the swing speed buff on vanilla
Rend( warchiefโs blessing)
jagged pier
and then claimed he was rank1 of SLs
lusty grotto
yeah jeree
jagged pier
for the rest of time
i hope he doeesnt come back to retail
too many andies come in here
BUT KUNGEN IS PLAYING x
ye sbut kungen cant play the game
chilly brook
His freak out on I think Xymox? Was funny as fuck
zealous willow
before 2-3 days he left his tank die and blamed him for not using shield ( he was the healer ) Instead of casting he was just jumping around
0 reactions
jagged pier
His freak out on I think Xymox? Was funny as fuck
merry pond
KEKW
lusty grotto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrfQxkAXZc
LMAOOOOO
jagged pier
why am i so slow big ass golden pillar at the back
hmm maybe u should have stood in it buddeh
chilly brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrfQxkAXZc
Lmfao yea
lusty tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrfQxkAXZc
So cooked haha
zealous willow
''Noobs reborn''
lusty tiger
Jakey had that vid locked and loaded
jagged pier
ppl at the time were in here arguing with me and nome about kungens choice of talents and way to play
and saying he knew more than us
because its kungen
lusty tiger
jagged pier
i didnt really hang in here in legion
lusty grotto
playing and recommending indom when it was absolute fucking trash
jagged pier
but yer same issue i would believe
lusty grotto
yea
chilly brook
we had Sco in legion too
I think you mean bfa
Sco bfa was omegalul
WARRIOR IS SO BAD
had a stream title that I remember along the lines of PLAYING THE GAME ON HARD MODE PROT WARRIOR
jagged pier
Well in bfa he liked stopped playing outside of progress, and basically got told what to play and got told by the guild etc
jagged pier
Why would u IP is all u need 
chilly brook
Well in bfa he liked stopped playing outside of progress, and basically got told...
This was right at the start before the whole method implosion
jagged pier
No he was like barely playing at that point too because he was doing his gambling stuff