protection

[ionic fern]

Damn.

Gimme gold instead.

[potent anvil]

I won the last two BTMs on my DK, just to extend my game time. But now that I'm retired, I can finally let my sub run out.

[bleak breach]

Ahh, so it’s m+ but you can’t use meta classes?

[potent anvil]

Pretty much

[bleak breach]

What was your group comp for those runs @potent anvil

[pallid quiver]

So the general populace will just go "literally impossible, why this exist" I wager :L

[bleak breach]

I don’t really do m+ because I’m lazy and work too much, but just curious.

[pallid quiver]

He pugged his, so varied on run iirc

[bleak breach]

Ahh yep, nice.

[potent anvil]

For this BTM? No set group, I pugged. So w/e I picked up on that list lol

[bleak breach]

So it’s like a registered comp thing?

[potent anvil]

You register individually

[bleak breach]

Cool, thanks for the info!

How long does it last?

[potent anvil]

Till reset

So Tuesday

Or Wednesday for EU

Surprisingly, most of the time a run would fail isn't because of the comp itself (although some pulls are harder because of it), it's just players who aren't experienced in an offspec. Overall damage is lower, tanks don't know what buttons to press, healers not familiar with damage patterns etc.

Until you find the one tricks then it actually can go smooth.

[ionic fern]

I figured it would be easy because of the one tricks. 👀

[potent anvil]

I haven't found many of them. And I dunno if the spec just doesn't do well in a m+ setting or what, but I do end up outdpsing some of them in the 20-22 keys

Or maybe prot warr just actually owns

But either case, was fun trying for it. At least it motivated me to actually gear my warrior and prep it for 10.2

[vital oak]

The tanks were all actually pretty good this tier except bear which was incredibly unkillable and so drowned out everyone else.

[bleak breach]

I haven’t done a lot of m+ this tier, but also didn’t find a lot difficult. You just need the right dps to get stuff down fast enough.

All the keys I’ve had trouble in I’ve been top 2 dps

Yeah agree Tom, tanks all seemed pretty good, just bear dominated.

[blazing condor]

as a pwarr you do around 100k overall which is usually on par with the average player

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[vital oak]

Do you think his mouth gets dry screaming that over and over?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[blazing condor]

pretty much got everything crafted now

now what 🧍‍♂️

[vital oak]

wait for 10.2?

[blazing condor]

pretty much

[pallid quiver]

apply cheat engine

get 10.2 crafting mats

[blazing condor]

pog

mom wont let me download it

[vital oak]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-juice-gif-24408975

[pallid quiver]

Listen, I've got some... strategies, shall we say, for you

Have you ever heard of... deleting the browser history?

[lucid holly]

I was top overall dps in my freehold run 😂

[pallid quiver]

Hacker man lifestyle requires hacker man tactics

[blazing condor]

: o

[lucid holly]

And yeah I pugged all of mine as well. There are next to none listed

And to do 26+ required actual effort/coordination so without a consistent stacked comp we won’t be able to edge out cheek/pika

[bleak breach]

Some naughty looking trinks in 10.2

Be really interesting how they run live though. A lot similar to anvil that are just doing damage on chance of melee attack/ability

[lucid holly]

It super depends on key but in that freehold I was 138 or so overall. Without Aug evoker but also low key so I just mass pulled and played for dmg

If it was a 25 I’d do a lot less and play safer. Esp on bolster

[blazing condor]

yeah for sure

[lucid holly]

My war also has no anvil or beacon though. Might be higher if I did have them. I play with mutated scale from neltharus cause I don’t have any better trinket for dmg 😂

[blazing condor]

padding low keys is another thing

[charred ivy]

Is anvil better then chromatic for deeps?

[blazing condor]

depends a bit on how many in ur group uses it / what youre sworn to

and if its in m+/raid

[charred ivy]

Mplus

[blazing condor]

for 1 target anvil is better

[charred ivy]

I never raid tank muhaha xD

[jagged pier]

Its better in m+

Its the best trinket in the game for use

Does a tone of damage and gives strength

Its insane

[ionic fern]

Better as long as you can keep it up *

[jagged pier]

Which is not hard

[blazing condor]

hehe

[ionic fern]

Wouldn't say that.

Random pugs dying, afk'ers, dungeon design.

[vital oak]

Dunno, as long as you keep pulling stuff it stays up.

[blazing condor]

we talking essence or anvil now??

[jagged pier]

U have a max of 30s to kerp amvil up

Its a long time

[blazing condor]

many ways to stay in combat

[ionic fern]

That again depends on if you use it on CD or plan it for some specific runs etc.

[blazing condor]

neltharions lair has the most fun ways to keep it up perma

use fish before 1st boss to be in cb

throw fish from barrel

kill snail racing

[vital oak]

Why wouldn't you use it on cd? I can't think of a reason.

[blazing condor]

if you wanna refresh it between pulls and youre already at 5 stacks

[ionic fern]

Just saying that whenever someone mentions that Anvil is good you add a asterix there stating "As long as you can keep it up".

[blazing condor]

no need to press it

[ionic fern]

Plenty of people who don't think about it or don't use it effeciently.

[jagged pier]

I mean if u know u gotta book it after a pull u save so u can use while moving to keep it up

[ionic fern]

See, that's normal for you

Then there's people who macro trinkets to some CD's or what not

Or just blast on CD.

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

i mean what else are ppl thinking about not like u need to use brain power to play the spec anymore

[bleak breach]

Which trink is chromatic sorry

[blazing condor]

from experiments

the one where u attune

[ionic fern]

Cmon Jakey..you are talking from your point of view

[bleak breach]

Ahh yes, I didn’t think it had a use effect? Or are we talking anvil? I’m confused lol

[ionic fern]

.Not everyone is as effecient/muscle memory dependant on the class as you are.

[jagged pier]

true

[blazing condor]

yeah was also confused we talking anvil

man the spec got "dumbed down" but im worse now

[bleak breach]

Generally for keys and aoe Mark is better then anvil

[jagged pier]

nope

[ionic fern]

If you play around Anvil, it's really good in keys.

[jagged pier]

u are forgetting the damage u get from strength

[bleak breach]

Fair

Are you guys running set groups using chromatic? I’ve got one but rarely use outside raid in fury because I can’t rely on having all stats active

[jagged pier]

i dont even have the trinket

[ionic fern]

Same.

Or Beacon..or Forgestorm.

[blazing condor]

i got mark + anvil

[ionic fern]

I did get anvil now tho.

[blazing condor]

pog

my healer dont like me running anvil

[jagged pier]

i dont even use forgestorm anymore

[blazing condor]

"sry gotta pull dont wanna lost anvil"

[ionic fern]

searches franatically for critters

[bleak breach]

I generally run beacon and anvil for everything just because I’m too lazy to change

[ionic fern]

Plz give me one so i can extend anvil.

[bleak breach]

Then I’m running Forgestorm for wep

[blazing condor]

shoutout the snails in Neltharions lair who just leaves the track and stays indefinitely in combat

[jagged pier]

i just pull they had a few seconds to start drinking

they dont need to insta heal me

[blazing condor]

yeah its not like i die

but im "rushing too much"

i aint dropping 5 stacks

[bleak breach]

@jagged pier which weapon are you running if you’re not using Forgestorm?

[jagged pier]

which i still dont understand with pug healers they like start drink so i pull and they will insta stand up 'MANA' bro u can sit and drink

[jagged pier]

crafted

i gave up on getting a 447 frogestorm

because i cba

[bleak breach]

Ahh fair enough

[jagged pier]

and crafted better in m+ anyway

and crafted more consistent in raid

[bleak breach]

On sims the 441 Forgestorm I have was better then anything, but then again sims are a perfect situation. Not rl

[jagged pier]

because sims have forgestorm working correctly all the time

i gave up when forgestorm procced twice on a 5 min fight

[bleak breach]

Fair

[jagged pier]

garbage

literal garbage

[bleak breach]

I’ve had some massive st pulls and some small ones

Thinking about just going to the wep off mythic Amalg

[blazing condor]

i just craft everything

coming back to the game and getting 10 sparks

[bleak breach]

I’m just a weirdo who doesn’t like the look of all crafted gear haha

[blazing condor]

transmog is your friend

[bleak breach]

I like to see stuff I’ve got off a kill :/

[blazing condor]

[bleak breach]

I don’t even mog, my guild hates it

[jagged pier]

tmog

[bleak breach]

Just some random looking dude

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

have u ever though u can just tmog the crafted to the pieces u got from killing the bosses?

makes no difference then

[vital oak]

We have 3 or 4 in our guild who are very into mogging and then 2 others who agressivly anti-mog. The clash is beautiful to watch.

[jagged pier]

u still use the same appreance

ever tier im like im not gunna tmog save the probably 50k gold i spend tmogging

then like a day later im like nah its not matching

[frail hemlock]

“Anti-mog” - I don’t know why but that made me lol, never heard that before 😂

[bleak breach]

I am the anti mog guy

I have all the sets and stuff, just amusing how mad some people get about it

[vital oak]

It's kind of fun, looks kind of like sending a hobo to fashion week. Everyone gets to enjoy.

[jagged pier]

just be mwahi use brf set and be done with it

[blazing condor]

i used to be big on mogs

then i found the fish mog and i just cba to switch off of it

[jagged pier]

fish mog (only has that enchant cause current wep has it)

[vital oak]

That's prime although I always feel like dwarves should be using one of the mugs to bop things with.

[blazing condor]

feesh

[jagged pier]

?

[vital oak]

Yes! that! 🙂

[jagged pier]

same u cant use the brewfest mugs as tmog otherwise i would use one from the first one

and flex on all the new plebs

i do that with the original ram

[barren viper]

We are going to be the top dps tank in 10.2?

[jagged pier]

no

that will be bdk

and maybe VDH for keys

[barren viper]

Single target?

[vital oak]

I would guess DH because of the rework.

[jagged pier]

no

that will be bdk

and paladin

[jagged pier]

nothing to do with the rework its parry that makes them strong they get 85%+ parry ppl will attribute it to the rework when its just parry quoting nome here

[vital oak]

I was more thinking that just about every class that has had a rework came out slapping.

[barren viper]

According to 10.2 raid logs we are the highest dps raid tank

[vital oak]

It's way too early to go off that.

[jagged pier]

the lego isnt on the ptr

balancing also not done yet

sure we got a bit of a boost with the change

but we are also still warrior

and cant ams every mechanic

or be left on our own

[warm plinth]

Hi cuties

[jagged pier]

morning cutie!

[vital oak]

What if ... they removed the cd from impending victory. Half price BDK right there! 🙂

[blazing condor]

macro IV to everything

pog

well not really

[bleak breach]

I can’t see anything beating us in single target, aoe I’m not sure. But it’s around 32s our cd for TR now, so aoe will be strong too.

[barren viper]

That's the way it is looking at the moment

from the logs anyway

[vital oak]

For sure it will remain the same until release. Nothing ever changes while in PTR testing.

[bleak breach]

If we’re too busted the will hopefully just nerf tier, if they nerf our dot damage then we suck again later on.

[jagged pier]

lets also make assupmtions with a major piece of gear for 1 spec isnt on the ptr

[bleak breach]

^ agree

Just the ilvl scaling alone with put BDK up high, let alone the effect.

[pallid quiver]

inb4 leggo axe has DK specific effects only, every time you spend runic power all enemies around you take 180% of their max health in damage

[jagged pier]

wouldnt put it past bliz tbh

warrior only effect 'shield block now pops a fire barrier around the player blocking all attacks and reflecting all the attacks back for 100%'

🙏

[vocal nimbus]

Are furies gonna get 2 leggos?

[vital oak]

Can you use shield block while weilding a 2h?

[pallid quiver]

warrior only effect: This character is deleted from all databases if engaged in combat for more than 2 seconds

[lyric cape]

no shield block needs a shield equiped

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior effect: equipping grants titans grip

[jagged pier]

hence why now it pops a barrier around the player

so no need

[vital oak]

Sounds like exactly what bliz would do then. 🙂

[analog raft]

Need new talent as crusader on Diablo 3, when you can use 2H + shield !

[jagged pier]

i mean evokers will be able to equip it but its apprently a strength axe

🤷

[vocal nimbus]

I meant to ask if fury is gonna go leggo+normal 2h or two 2h legebdaries

[analog raft]

weapon is not "unique" ?

[jagged pier]

well leggos are usually unique

[vital oak]

Prob lego + 2h, usually can't use 2 of the special weps.

[bleak breach]

I assume the Lego will be unique

[vital oak]

Can't even 2 ashkandi this tier.

[jagged pier]

and i dont know why u would ask that question in protection

[vocal nimbus]

Maybe they did something like the srtifact weapon

[jagged pier]

when the fury channel is right there

[vocal nimbus]

Just curious

The channel is far away

And the rage. Ois are scary

[vital oak]

Fury channel is scary. Archi hangs out there.

[vocal nimbus]

Bois*

[jagged pier]

again this isnt fury and the wep isnt even on the ptr

[chilly brook]

No, legendaries are almost always unique equipped

In fact most 2h weapons with a special effect are

Like jaithys, gavel and ashkandur

[pine storm]

Jaithys wasn't 😋

[chilly brook]

Ah yeah you right I just never got more than one lol

[bleak breach]

Where’s our legendary shield 😦

[chilly brook]

Such a cool weapon though

[prisma phoenix]

Legendary shield topkek

[lyric cape]

Legendary shield when

[prisma phoenix]

I'd actually like to see that. Then again, it would only really benefit 2 classes

Which is Hella restrictive

[lyric cape]

3

shamen

[jagged pier]

oh the evoker leggo wasnt?

[bleak breach]

Shammy as well

[prisma phoenix]

Shh, we don't talk about evoker leggo

[bleak breach]

Stuff the other classes anyway, we only care about p war

[prisma phoenix]

Evokers being Blizzard's newest class, obviously they had to make sure they were busted af

[pallid quiver]

Shaman tank next xpac so we can get leggo shield

[prisma phoenix]

Probably the reason

[jagged pier]

shaman tank isnt happening

they cant balance 6 tanks

and trust me i really do want a shaman tank

[pallid quiver]

We simply need to kill the DPS specs so they only need to balance the tanks, ezpz

[chilly brook]

Not to mention sylvanas bow and rogue daggers

[chilly brook]

Nah fam, next expansion is an elemental expansion totally getting shaman tank

[pallid quiver]

I wager we won't ever get a leggo shield because it just won't hit a designer's fancy, since they like their leggos to be iconic somehow

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

i think thats 5 different expansions now

🤔

[pallid quiver]

anyhow when's warlock healer

Turn your own HP into healing on party, then drain HP from mob to refill

[vital oak]

after hunter support spec.

[chilly brook]

You know disc was supposed to be a tank spec in vanilla?

[pallid quiver]

Hunters get nothing.

[chilly brook]

You best but we’ll probably get more support specs for other classes

[jagged pier]

i say that and ppl always tell me im wrong it was for pvp

im like dude i was there

I member

[pallid quiver]

I feel like in Vanilla, they kinda half threw shit out there in a vague direction and things happened to work

or didn't, mostly

[jagged pier]

disc had a load of armour modifiers

and a load of aggro modifiers at one point

but just didnt work

i mean back back in vanilla ppl only thought warrior worked which was incorrect

but still

[chilly brook]

Yeah disc tree in vanilla was odd

[vital oak]

I tanked a black rock spire on sham back then a few times. Was fun.

[prisma phoenix]

Paladin worked out pretty well, right? Right?

[jagged pier]

it did on private servers when ppl worked it out

[vocal nimbus]

I still fantasize with a cloth tank

Tanking with after images or some shit like that

[pallid quiver]

warlock tank

I miss that glyph

[jagged pier]

Didnt need the glyph in tbc

[pallid quiver]

i only played war as a babboo in tbc

not enough time to play an alt when 70% of my time was spent reaching for milkie

[grim pilot]

warlock tank>

summoning giant threat generating creatures

[violet ginkgo]

Like mesmer in gw2

[opaque quest]

Just bring metamorphosis back and make that the lock tank

[median tulip]

Ninja tanks in FF11

[jagged pier]

now u got me watch sparkuggz tanking garrosh and CMs

bring back the skill ceiling like there was in mop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0vqF13mKFQ still dumb how good players could do this

also bring back the community of mop LFR u had to actually do the mechanics and ppl would actually learn back then

[grand veldt]

boys

just tested throne of tides

21 tyran

15 mil spell reflected on last boss

[prisma phoenix]

The question is if an Arms/Fury can taunt+SR that

[jagged pier]

well yes u get giga buffed one the last boss unless its not the squid anymore

[prisma phoenix]

Also, I remember there was an optional boss on the left. Is it still optional or now mandatory?

[jagged pier]

I can has a guess there will never be an optional boss in m+

[strong forum]

That boss is still optional from what I heard

[jagged pier]

eh?

then why would anyone do it?

[rough egret]

maybe it gives trash count? 😄

[strong forum]

There's already too much trash in the dungeon

You can shroud the entire first corridor of throne and still make count

[jagged pier]

I swear they just dont test these things internally first

like honestly

[hazy bronze]

They're probably as aware of these 10 year old dungeons as we are (at first, until it's tested and feedback ignored)

[waxen frigate]

yeah but we arent the ones deciding to bring them back

[jagged pier]

Imagine if we could vote

That would be fun

Wod ubrs back please they place railed in CM

[pallid quiver]

I'd either vote for all of classic BRD or something or just MoP dungeons

[opaque quest]

UBRS bridge boss oh god

The pug killer

[jagged pier]

Fuck that first pull was the entire full room XD

[strong forum]

Only people with an active subscription who actually do +20 keys or higher

Then we may get a good outcome

[opaque quest]

But the 99.9% will cry again that only the 0.01% gets to decide

[jagged pier]

The 99 dont do the content good ides nome

[opaque quest]

Jup. They will cry anyways

[strong forum]

Exactly

[pallid quiver]

we need the bottom 0.01% to decide so we get the most trash filled, batshit insane ideas

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-gif-5914845

[main smelt]

[waxen frigate]

🙂

Only if they mandate a minimum rating requirement to vote

I don’t want non M+ players voting on M+ dungeons

Otherwise we end up with grimrail again

[waxen frigate]

So based

I’d just say KSM honestly

Or 2500

Is that ksm or ksh

Both are meaningless

[static aspen]

I am +2 m+key enjoyer. I will vote for TBC botanica

[waxen frigate]

I’d like to see revamped scarlet monastery

Also what sl dungeons do you think we’ll get for sl timewalking next xpac

Surely not TOP

[ionic roost]

They should draw dungeons from a hat

That way bad players can blame bad rng

And good players can blame bad design choices

Win win

[waxen frigate]

They should give dungeons SLAAP plates when I’m trying to pistol run a quest

[ionic roost]

[uneven mason]

Botanica wouldn't be bad tbh

It's linear easy trash mechanics

Compared to modern dungeons the trash count is small

I'd vote brd as an all in one

[strong forum]

Grim batol.

Said it a million times

[uneven mason]

The pathing alone would make most people gouge out their eyes

Oh grim batol is a nice linear one

Hard DPS check on the last boss

[strong forum]

That would be funny, have this ultra dungeon where you need a ton of count, but obv don't need most of it

But idk how to make it not a pain in the ass

To not be forced to run it every so odd key

[sick sentinel]

Just make it a pain in the ass and fuck em anyway lmao

[uneven mason]

Icing - the lycium trash doesn't give %

[strong forum]

I think it would be interesting in a way

But also would get annoying quickly

[sick sentinel]

grim batol fits perfectly with dragonflight same with the end of time dungeon

[opaque quest]

Would also force certain combinations again

Since you need shroud

Soothe

[sick sentinel]

seems really dumb to me they didnt or wont add those

given the obvious context

then again, grim batol would be some one would DC or afk or not do the dragon part

[opaque quest]

Grim Batol is almost a mega dungeon at this point

Doubt we will ever get it

[sick sentinel]

and then AH, GG keys dead g uys

only 2 of use did the drago breath

its only 5 bosses isn't it

not that much trash after you clear the flying section

[opaque quest]

Ye its not to bad boss wise but its way to long. Cant make a 45 minute key

Arcway was already way to long and hated

[sick sentinel]

worst trash in that whole place is ..................... ONCE A FUCKING GAIN.....................

cave in bros

some mob in the forge section does a cave in, and the boss does too

and it just completely murders people every damn time

[hardy snow]

Just make linear dungeon with 3-4 bosses and ton of trash that doesnt do much (so we can pull big) and gives exactly 100%, no need for shroud, invis or some weird skips

[uneven mason]

Arcway made me quit dungeons in legion

[strong forum]

I liked arcway

[sick sentinel]

make it so the dragons are already being freed by npcs as you start the dungeon who then AI run the dragon run while you start the first part of dungeon

[uneven mason]

Having a use for shroud is fine, don't tune the keys to require it though

[sick sentinel]

WTF is an arcway

[strong forum]

Arcway had many big pullerinos

[hardy snow]

if there is use for that (so some trash can be skipped with it) makes it required for such dungeon, if pack is not necessary to kill - you want to skip it

[sick sentinel]

that or change the dragons that if you have control them as a person maybe instead of a missle attack its a bomb attack

bombs directly underneath you instead

easier to not fuck up

[uneven mason]

I mean like in bfa some dungeons were tuned with the expectation that you would always have a skip

The timers were shit

[sick sentinel]

like either a ground frontal strafing flying dragon fire breath attack that holds for like 5 seconds and then recharges for 1-3 seconds

[strong forum]

Shrine of the storms

[sick sentinel]

or a bomb attack

[strong forum]

💀

[sick sentinel]

i think the missile attack it has is too much jank, sry

[strong forum]

Infinite shroud hacks in that dumb dungeon

[sick sentinel]

that dungeon was fun with competent players

[strong forum]

Wcm is perfect in that regard, you have tons of optional trash

[sick sentinel]

and even with good players

[strong forum]

But you don't need shroud to skip anything

[sick sentinel]

you could still fuck up major

(shrine)

shrine of the storm with pugs and no voice and nobodies got addons is

people are gunna quit the game over that shit

[jagged pier]

was also 45 mins long

[sick sentinel]

i know for a fact

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ still a fun dungeon

[sick sentinel]

i think a 45 minute dungeon is better than a 30 minute dungeon

[jagged pier]

it was but 45 mins is a long time

[sick sentinel]

over 45 minutes is too much

40 is truly ideal for me

even in a bad group it allows for 3-4 lusts

[uneven mason]

And felt like shit when you got to the last boss and people get fucked during the teleport

Wasted 45m

And lets not forget how fun depleting keys was

[jagged pier]

i dunno i didnt really mind deplete no deplete it was all new and fun back then

[sick sentinel]

hot take

deplete makes you a better player

cuz you know there is a risk, you want to do the thing, but you don't want to screw it up and if you do there is a clear definable punishment

but, i think that if you go over the time limit by under 3 minutes over timer there is no deplete

[uneven mason]

Also means some jerk could grief and brick the key intentionally

[sick sentinel]

you have a small window of grace that "phew nothing happened"

[uneven mason]

Fuck

[daring marlin]

This is all true of current keys btw

[uneven mason]

Why does the guardian catch a s s h a t

[daring marlin]

If you don't view the time wasted as a punishment you either A.) don't respect your time or B.) have all the time in the world or both I guess lmaoooo

[uneven mason]

But not other swears

[sick sentinel]

cuz

it took for me to get chat banned in rs2

that u notoriously cant swear in* * * * 's it out

i finally figured out trying bullshit and fuck and this and that and then put bullfuck and it went through the chat undmoderated, until it did like 20 minutes later

[uneven mason]

Only a doomfan would bait a automod until it kicks them

[sick sentinel]

well

i said it first in falador

some ppl groaned about it, then i went to edge ville and did it again

and there was a mod there

and then, fuck about find out

we aren't doom fans, even though we are fanatical about dooms

im not sure what the actual term would be doomer sounds a bit too on the nose and its already taken a mainstream meaning

[opaque quest]

Just because its mainstream doesnt mean its no longer appropriate

[strong forum]

Cuz fuck has been whitelisted by us

[opaque quest]

r e t a r d e d hasnt been

Got 1 min yesterday

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[sick sentinel]

that is less of swear and more like a flamboyant attack

[opaque quest]

It wasnt directed at a person

But a circumstance

Context

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i just try to use stupid or dumb or another word in place of that

Yeah, but mods don't like us using PvP words

i can confirm

[opaque quest]

PvP words

[sick sentinel]

that pvp andies do infact use pvp words

retail at least 2000000%

[opaque quest]

Mother

[sick sentinel]

i know this for fucking fact

[opaque quest]

Oh damn

Mother is a pvp word too

Trust me

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!! is my go to rage swear now

Dragon Charge is also a pvp phrase

[opaque quest]

I was born in Hamburg. We pretty much have a patend on your mom insults

Cause back in the day it was sailor language and we all grow up with it lmao

[sick sentinel]

Is anyone old enough to remember thunderfucking someone?

[opaque quest]

Oh yea

Good old saw days

When pvp was fun

[sick sentinel]

Screaming fuck all the way down

[opaque quest]

I really need to play a round of eots with my sham

Havent been in there in years

[sick sentinel]

You can do it as Prot War

But you better have a cancel macro lmao

[opaque quest]

Dragon charge smth smth

Havent played pvp since legion

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, play Highmountain Tauren for Bull Rush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u398TfVnIM8 this dude isn't me but when im gaming he is me

play till i get mad

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/there-she-is-officers-right-there-pc-principal-south-park-thats-her-gif-20785740

[inland raft]

Dwarf master race

[sick sentinel]

it feels right on bdk

[blazing condor]

[lament shell]

Guys

Is warrior going to survive the magic dmg in new dungeons

[strong forum]

Nope, 1 point of magic dmg will instantly kill us

Jokes aside

[lament shell]

[strong forum]

Dungeons aren't tuned yet

So everything is up in the air

[lament shell]

Did anyone check if the dungeons are magic dmg heavy?

[strong forum]

People stress way too much about predictable dmg patterns

[lament shell]

Like.. vers season or crit like this one

[strong forum]

Wcm, atal, dht, brh are all almost entirely just melee dmg

[topaz field]

u have to ask the crystal ball for those kind of questions

[strong forum]

The mega dungeon is massively overtuned and doesn't Sport magic dmg aside from interrupt able and stunnable spells and predictable boss mechanics that you'll spellblock

And crit will remain in the same position as it always has

[static aspen]

Scarlet monastery (all 4 variations) in m+ context would be lit af. But thats blizzard we are talking about, max what we will get is idk what even, you call it

[strong forum]

Really fucking good

[lament shell]

Ok thanks

[sick sentinel]

AD final boss is a tough one

[strong forum]

Not rly

[topaz field]

its massively undertuned on ptr

[sick sentinel]

yh well

[lament shell]

Was just wondering if there is anything thay can kill prot warrior with that broken tier set 15% dr perma

[sick sentinel]

i guess we gunna see

[topaz field]

shit is not scaling on yazma

u used to die when u touch balls

[exotic matrix]

probably bleeds

[strong forum]

If you go high enough, something eventually will

[topaz field]

now u can just play with the spiders

[sick sentinel]

ya well

i have a confrimed bias about it

[topaz field]

but dont worry blizzard will find a way to make it bad

[sick sentinel]

so unless it changed

[topaz field]

like they did find a way to make all old dungeons a tragedy

[sick sentinel]

i don't like that fight, best option is to lust it on pull before it can spawn more spiders and kill anyone

[topaz field]

to my surprise they even managed to "fix" freehold from being one of the best dungeons to literally the worst dungeon

[strong forum]

Que?

FH is literally easier than it was in bfa

[topaz field]

wth

u have the need of freedom or a tank with tigerslust basically

on higher keys

[sick sentinel]

i don't like FH as much now as i did back then, but its still very good

[lament shell]

They couldv kept the rotation on 2nd boss

[topaz field]

the last boss is an absolute desaster

[strong forum]

1st and 2nd boss are massively easier than in bfa

[topaz field]

after they introduced new mechanics

[strong forum]

All mobs are exactly the same

[sick sentinel]

sea spout

[strong forum]

They didn't...

[sick sentinel]

fucking sea spout

[topaz field]

and u have every week eudora the pain in the ass

[strong forum]

They added 0 new mechanics

[topaz field]

ofc they did

[strong forum]

You're just coping

They added nothing new

[topaz field]

the sabers never left a bleed

[sick sentinel]

i know, but the sea spout sill nukes people

thats the problem

[topaz field]

thats a complete new mechanic

ure probably coping

[lament shell]

They nerfed enforcers thats a good change

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't matter if FH is dungeon every m+ pool

ppl will die to sea spout

[lament shell]

What do you meam

[sick sentinel]

people are just bad and it has a 2 part kill

fuck load of dmg + fall dmg if ur not ready to do anti fall dmg

[uneven mason]

I mean on fort you're dead if the first part hits you

[strong forum]

Okay ill give you that one

The dot is new

But it's entirely predictable

And you can actually dodge sabers now

[blazing condor]

what saber in fh

[topaz field]

well its massively overtuned

[uneven mason]

Fh is great for letting you know who doesn't pay attention to castbars

[topaz field]

and if u have no pala aug its pretty much unplayable on higher keys

[strong forum]

So overtuned that people can clear it on 33tyr

[topaz field]

oh yea

with 5 dwarfs

and a bleed dispel

[uneven mason]

Dwarves

[blazing condor]

theyre not dwarf cus of the dungeon

[topaz field]

and a healer that has 2 immunity buttons

[strong forum]

Doesn't change the fact that it's the highest keylevel done

Among all keylevels

[topaz field]

ye well fh is only timed on 33

because of bad brew

[lament shell]

Guardian a bit to overpowered to say if something is balanced

[topaz field]

other than that it would be one of the lowest dungeons

[strong forum]

Right

[uneven mason]

Wat

[plush tendon]

wait, why we talking about tuning at high key levels? We all know Blizz balances around 20 yea?

[uneven mason]

Probably 15

[strong forum]

Im arguing that FH got easier than it was in bfa

[plush tendon]

First boss is easier

[strong forum]

And 2nd boss

[uneven mason]

I'll agree here

[topaz field]

2nd boss is eudora every week

[strong forum]

Eudora used to 1shot

[sick sentinel]

i mean, there was a 10-120 FH leveling boosting meta in bfa

[uneven mason]

The trash is easier

[strong forum]

All the time

[blazing condor]

2nd is way easier

[topaz field]

well eudora is easier

[blazing condor]

and you dont even need to do the RP

[topaz field]

because they fixed

[plush tendon]

yea, but Eudora is no longer 'los or die'

[topaz field]

the shot not targeting twice in a row

[strong forum]

Literally what im saying

[sick sentinel]

manual leveling was they would take you through FH a billion times

[topaz field]

but the dmg is still the same

[plush tendon]

for even the lower end of 20+ keys

[strong forum]

No it's not

Eudora literally 1shot

[uneven mason]

Remember the suplex unavoidable fuck that tank the hefty dudes did

[plush tendon]

but they did nerf Painful Motivation

and that makes me madge

[topaz field]

ye super bad change also

[strong forum]

That's a good fix imo

[plush tendon]

prob a good fix

[strong forum]

Having a buff remove the pull

Is dumb

[topaz field]

if u think so

[plush tendon]

but I can still be madge

[blazing condor]

no more splash damage in painful motivation or what?

[topaz field]

then its also mandatory to fix bad brew

[sweet summit]

uh

no

?

xd

[plush tendon]

it no longer deletes packs for you... the damage is like 1% or something

[blazing condor]

good

[sick sentinel]

brew is bad ?

[blazing condor]

bad design

[strong forum]

Yeah im for better game design to have, what is meant to be a positive buff, not kill the mob it buffs in 2 ticks

[blazing condor]

with old painful motivation

[strong forum]

Brew is intended in what it does

People just use it more now

Than they did in bfa

[plush tendon]

I also only remember FH from BFA with giga corruption

so maybe thats skewing my memory a bit

[strong forum]

People play FH just infinitely better now

Than they did in bfa

[blazing condor]

can confirm its piss easy now

[plush tendon]

RIP Corruption

[strong forum]

The pulls are bigger

The skips are better

[sick sentinel]

we had FH leveling for 3 striaght years

[strong forum]

Way more efficient pulling

[sick sentinel]

i mean

[blazing condor]

who's we

i aint never touched that shit

[strong forum]

Same

[sick sentinel]

i didnt either

[plush tendon]

the people!

[sick sentinel]

but it was all over the place

[plush tendon]

but not me

just ..... people

[blazing condor]

🇺🇸

[warm plinth]

Morning

[lavish sphinx]

ULD is the only hard key

Maybe VP cause I also heal

[opaque quest]

I love VP as heal

3rd boss needs alot of heal but its not in bursts

[plush tendon]

VP is trash

would be 100% better if you could mount

but otherwise, trash

[warm plinth]

3rd boss healing isn't in bursts? 🤔

[modern brook]

VP is dogshit garbage

stinky ugly dungeon

you cant mount

no pull is fun

ugly

flashbangs

[inland raft]

Dungeon pool in general was kinda meh this season

[lusty tiger]

real and true

[inland raft]

I didnt play for most of it only started gearing last couple weeks and already bored

[modern brook]

HOI and VP are the downers imo

rest are fine+

VP is also fine* tbh its just a dog shit stinky ugly dungeon you cant mount in that isnt fun or challenging

[warm plinth]

HoI is fine difficulty wise but holy fuck is it boring

[lusty tiger]

VP, kinda like TJS is very cool in setting and map design but the mobs and no mounting sucks!

[modern brook]

I had way more fun with TJS in DF than i did with vp

[warm plinth]

How have we had so many Halls dungeons and only Halls of Atonement was good

[lusty tiger]

but none of this matters, know why?

A: we are getting waycrest back!!!!

[modern brook]

dwagon buffs

oh

[warm plinth]

Because next month they're gone

[modern brook]

waycwest :3

[lusty tiger]

:3

[modern brook]

i think next month im gone too tbh

[warm plinth]

Who is excited to snap 90% of AD again 😩

[modern brook]

I am not happy about AD being back

anyone whos remotely excited about ad forgot that 80% of that dungeon is janky horseshit

[warm plinth]

Yeah, me neither

[modern brook]

Like imagine for a second going to snot boss without a shroud DEath skip ? Idr how you avoided literally the entire hallway

[warm plinth]

They did remove the big dude from that pack tbf

So it's easier at least

[lusty tiger]

i think ad is excitment worthy

because theyve had the chance to clean it up

it is a well designed m+

[warm plinth]

You could avoid the hard shit by hugging the edge

I don't think a dungeon in which you glitch half the trash is well designed.

[lusty tiger]

snapping is dope

[warm plinth]

Now that's a hot take

[lusty tiger]

no it isnt haha

[modern brook]

snapping is dope when its used to like efficiently group

not when it trivializes entire packs by elminating the only thing they do

[lusty tiger]

yea well see

it is different now that there have been so many affix changes

and theyve been tuned back because the dungeons mechanics have power crept so hard

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure you will still be forced to snap the leapers because they'll kill your group otherwise

[lusty tiger]

yeah

probably

[warm plinth]

Which is what he's talking about

[dusky canopy]

Mythic Sark

[lusty tiger]

FRICK

[dusky canopy]

I can taste it

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-so-close-reach-golden-retriever-gif-11658775

[warm plinth]

Your new name makes me laugh because I just realized the model of our printers at work in one of our departments is 8400DN

[lusty tiger]

quite the quantity of dn

[dusky canopy]

I’m boutta 8400 those nuts

[warm plinth]

I should not be awake right now

[lusty tiger]

u live in china?

[warm plinth]

No, central US

[lusty tiger]

u a 3rd shift guy?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[dusky canopy]

I’m an all shifts guy

Just never sleep

[lusty tiger]

hm

[dusky canopy]

Ez

[warm plinth]

I get off work around 2-3am

And I went to bed at 5

[dusky canopy]

I envy the 16hours of games 8 hours of sleep guys

[warm plinth]

It is my weekend rn though

And I'm gonna do like

[lusty tiger]

just need to ditch the family and go on ei

[warm plinth]

24 hours of timewalking this weekend

[dusky canopy]

An entire 24 hours!

[lavish sphinx]

Played Shadow during BH 19 and they kicked the tank after the 2nd pull lol

[warm plinth]

Still got 19 toons to go sir

[dusky canopy]

Holy moly

[lusty tiger]

tragique

[dusky canopy]

Busy man

[lavish sphinx]

I thought I did wrong but now

No*

[warm plinth]

I can't wait until I do my specless toon and people wonder why I can't keep them alive

[quiet zinc]

how do ya'll deal with the Piercing shards in NL? 🙂

[dusky canopy]

I usually tank them

[warm plinth]

This guy

[dusky canopy]

[quiet zinc]

wowwww

[lusty tiger]

try and get an external

[warm plinth]

Rotate defensives and hope your team doesn't do negative dps

[lusty tiger]

yea make sure youre using sr for the %dr

[warm plinth]

If you get 4+ shards, you're gonna have a bad time

[lavish sphinx]

Someone said previously “the hardest thing is. Or tanking, cause everyone else is shit”

I feel it

[quiet zinc]

as a 430ilvl on a +20 pulling everything up to to giant dude at the third piercing shard I just fucking died 😦

[lusty tiger]

true and real

[lusty tiger]

u dont need to do that

to time

on bolster fort week

[quiet zinc]

nah obviously not

[lusty tiger]

lmfao

[dusky canopy]

I think it really depends on personal skill/knowledge I find tanking to be easier because I can control the stress level of the pulls, at least for the most part

[quiet zinc]

well they weren't bolstered, just that the shard hits soo hard

[dusky canopy]

But at the same time dps is basically turn brain off, cc once and a while

Do big number

[quiet zinc]

@lusty tiger does it count as a spell so you can block it?

[lavish sphinx]

Is not tanking* I’m drunk atm

[lusty tiger]

check the sheet

[warm plinth]

You can spell block the initial hit but not the dot

[lusty tiger]

in the pins

^^

[lavish sphinx]

Love y’all

[quiet zinc]

tyty

[lusty tiger]

It's that time of day again

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/speed-running-dungeons-needs-to-end/1683426

[warm plinth]

I actually had a tank in a Botanica tw dungeon pull way ahead of everyone and we had two people die so I was rezzing them. He died and left

[jagged pier]

[lusty tiger]

so you can prove youre fast

LMFAO KEKW XD

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-lightning-mcqueen-cars-meme-gif-14031708

[warm plinth]

It is frustrating when queued dungeon tanks pull 1 pack at a time though. Just need a happy medium

[lusty tiger]

pull it all, and use defensives XD

like the game was designed

[warm plinth]

I did big pulls even on vdh/brew and I'm ignorant of both

Though it's hilarious to double pull the trash in front of that one demon boss in Botanica when they're buffed

[lusty tiger]

always

[warm plinth]

Legit just fell over instantly on dh

[lusty tiger]

yeep

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dI7icYoNr8w me, enters a dungeon, the next frame:

[lusty tiger]

[opaque quest]

Yogi speeding through those 17s like no tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

thats what i did to TW on BDK rat like, i did all my dungeons in like 20 minutes lmao

oh yas, not only do i lose max hp and ammo count on overkill if i go to normal

on easy, there is an "enemy finder compass"

goes wawy on normnal, and i have to 100% kills to get a bonus, so ,fuck me

[lusty tiger]

i mean searching for the last lil demon fuck on the map is really annoying

[sick sentinel]

normally its some floor tile i have to run over or a battery for a force field switch for bridge etc

cuz its alot like doom, lot of hidden monster closets

only killed 122 of 124 enemies? TOO BAD no bonus

[lusty tiger]

OH NO

I HAVE FOUND THE FORUM POST OF FORUM POSTS

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/tanks-should-not-have-to-dps-or-heal/1683243

[sick sentinel]

M A I N C H A R A C T E R S Y N D R O M E

[opaque quest]

And dps should not have personals

And heals should not have dps spells

Just be afk when there is nothing to heal

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

how tf does a dk have to be ae healer

(he says he has to do all 3 in his post)

[opaque quest]

😄

DK just heals himself. Big difference to a healer

Tho in a +15 the heal usually heals himself the most too kekw

[sick sentinel]

i dunno im deathpact enjoyer

[opaque quest]

You enjoy a lot of stupid things 🤓

Did you at least check out the build i sent in here?^^

[final mist]

I've healed several keys before (20+s) and had DKs call me a shit healer for being beaten by them in overall healing for dungeon and I just

DK brains are severely rotted

[opaque quest]

Me sometimes popping 600k hps

Yeah youre shit heal just top me

Just do 650k on a grp that takes no dmg come on

[final mist]

Kkona 4head

[opaque quest]

[lusty tiger]

it is more fun to heal yourself on dk anyway

the satisfaction of 800k DS are juiced

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming this is satire?

[lusty tiger]

IDK

go to bed sleepy 🤕

[warm plinth]

Nah I am up now

Those TW dungeons aren't gonna do themselves you know

[sick sentinel]

should there be a class probably a mana user i'd have to asssume that makes a thing for the group like healthstones and it acts as a mana potion for mana users?

i had an RNG thought

[tired ice]

So it’s only fair that tanks shouldn’t have to do damage or heal either, I should be able to just stand completely still and generate infinite aggro to keep things fair
Yeah, he's taking the piss out of tanks who actually think like that headline
On second thought, the target are probably dps and healers who complain that tanks are doing too much, not tanks

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/mila-kunis-sex-foreplay-sexy-horny-gif-13317690

[lusty tiger]

daam ur mila kunis

[opaque quest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackhand/meleekunis

Kinda?

[restive crown]

is there any defensive value with enduring dreadplates?

[lusty tiger]

jesus

yes

[restive crown]

5x 7770 ?

[lusty tiger]

per hit yes

[waxen frigate]

It’s a bad trinket

[lusty tiger]

^

[waxen frigate]

Not horrible

But bad

It’s not resonator 🙂

[lusty tiger]

if u can do a high enough key to break the plates it is decent damage

[lusty tiger]

rdm?

[waxen frigate]

No the ulda trink

[lusty tiger]

o

i miss my rdm

[waxen frigate]

RDM was nice

[lusty tiger]

i want another

[waxen frigate]

Cache

Give give give

[lusty tiger]

i h8 the revolving buff

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but I don’t hate doing 15% of my Dps with a trinket that also gives mainstat

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-friday-gif-gif-9953198973866888260

[opaque quest]

Why exactly can ppl with 447 crafted still roll on 437 items?

[lusty tiger]

gg buizzard

[opaque quest]

Ppl complain there are no heals

Meanwhile ppl like me dont have an offhand and just stay dps

Insane community

[sick sentinel]

engineering maxxed

[cerulean tusk]

gz

[lusty tiger]

gz

[maiden lily]

what is the goal number for verse %?

[opaque quest]

HoI is so much fun that we havent found a dps tank or heal in 15 mins

+19

[opaque quest]

As much as raidbots tells you to get for max dps

[maiden lily]

hmmmm ok, and if it goes off its rocker and says that my current high mastery is more dps?

[sick sentinel]

versa isn't our primary secondary stat

[maiden lily]

damn, i am out of the loop then

[sick sentinel]

HINT, it's haste, look at the CD on your Shield Block and Shield Slam abilities on hover over compared to other abilities

[opaque quest]

Youre going mastery then. I have 1 crit mastery ring on too

[sick sentinel]

haste lets you hit SS and SB *more

[maiden lily]

yeah i know haste is first

but haste/verse till 10.2 yeah?

[sick sentinel]

if its for a raid, probably

[warm plinth]

Vers has never been a stat we focus on

[sick sentinel]

versa is better on single target generally speaking and crit is better on aoe (keys)

[maiden lily]

ok, make sense

[opaque quest]

Yogi talking defensive

But we dont go for defensive

We go for dps

[cerulean tusk]

Qué? Haste/crit is DMG. Haste/vers is to play safer

[warm plinth]

No

No it's not

[opaque quest]

No lol

Crit = parry = more IP for magic dmg

[maiden lily]

ok so you craft a ring, haste/crit?

[warm plinth]

Yes, haste crit

[opaque quest]

Take your simc

Put it into raidbots

Use droptimizer

And craft the ring that gives you most dps

[maiden lily]

its running now with the crafted gear set to different stats

[opaque quest]

Good

[cerulean tusk]

[opaque quest]

Sucks that we cant use multiple stats at once in dropti

[maiden lily]

right now i am 31crit/31haste/29mast

yeah gotta do the gearset thing and that shit takes forever lol

[patent osprey]

its not so plain and simple as that unfortunately. in pure Melee/physical damage, then crit def is very strong in aoe. But Warriors only suffer from Bleed/magic damage which isn't exactly mitgated by crit (only by saving the ip by parrying) but verse can definitely help you with bleed/dot damage survival. just depends on what u value

crit has the benefit of damage + physical damage reduction through parry.

but wont save u from large unparriable hits.

[lusty tiger]

well are you gonna gear vers for 1 of the few dangerous bleeds?

[patent osprey]

Depends on the content ur doing and what u value

[patent osprey]

Yes definitely if thats what gonna kill me

[warm plinth]

While this is technically correct, it does not mean that stacking vers is the way to go, which is the path we're trying to dissuade from

[opaque quest]

20% vers is 10% less dmg taken and 10% less wont save you fromd death

10% wont do shit

[patent osprey]

10% is actually insane at the hardest moments in dungeons

[opaque quest]

No

If you need 10% vers to survive youre doing smth wrong

And you should look at what

[patent osprey]

PERSONALLY i play for the hardest moments in keys, not the overall of the key because thats what I need to focus on in high end keys

[lusty tiger]

so this is when youre pushing at a key level you dont expect to pass

[patent osprey]

it just depends on what ur focus is

[warm plinth]

In the end... please see my username

[opaque quest]

I cant read

[lusty tiger]

because ver stacking is useless just 1 key level up from what i understand?

[opaque quest]

In the highest keys you dont need surv

You need dmg

Sure if you die you deplete

[patent osprey]

again its not that simple, getting more verse OR crit won't give u a full key level, but it depends on what u value in ur tanking style

[opaque quest]

But dmg gets keys done faster overall

[cerulean tusk]

Do Warrior reach the damage taken or damage done limiter in m+ atm?

[warm plinth]

Plka what is your highest key this season? Are you pushing pwar?

[patent osprey]

this is just wrong

LOL

[opaque quest]

In the highest keys you have coordinated group play that uses externals and keeps you alive

I bet you got 2.2k main IO and have never seen that

[hazy bronze]

Isn't one of the reasons Aug so good cause if the extra surv it gives group wide?

[opaque quest]

Not saying thats bad

Just saying youre not seeing the picture

[lusty tiger]

i mean plka does high keys w a premade last i checked

[patent osprey]

if this was true, you wouldn't see people drop ilvl for avoidance on gear

[cerulean tusk]

Is it 4k pika, or pikaa 3.7?

[lusty tiger]

but still strange not planning group support around an instance that would kill you otherwise(otherwise being the need to vers stack)

[cerulean tusk]

Or my pika, 3.5

[patent osprey]

you def plan around group support and CD usuage, but you still don't just play glass cannon

[lusty tiger]

if you are cutting edge isnt there real big value being glass cannon?

[patent osprey]

Again, DEPENDING on the content ur doing

[maiden lily]

i just come to yall because if you look at something like murlok.io the top end warriors are running haste/vers

[patent osprey]

its a balance of death and damage which is always what m+ is about

[maiden lily]

but i dont do anything over like 22's so i feel like i can do it different

[warm plinth]

Doing 25s and doing cutting edge keys are not the same game

If you're dying in 22s, it has nothing to do with your vers

[patent osprey]

this is true

[eager dust]

Any advice on surviving a avalanche from breakers? i did a 25 no problem now doing a 26 and getting literally 1 shot, only have so many CDs lol.

[patent osprey]

sidestep

u take 0 damage

[warm plinth]

I'm not going to pretend to know what people need to do when they're doing 29s and shit

but since only like 2 people who are active in this disc do those

[patent osprey]

stats don't even equate to a single key level

[lusty tiger]

sense running 6000 crit in a 30 NL

so i mean why not crit stack lol

[warm plinth]

I mean, tbf that dungeon is like 99% blockable damage

[maiden lily]

lol do what i want and dont be bad, got it!

[warm plinth]

Not that you need vers obviously but

I'm just saying that once again, stats don't matter lol

Also why tf does my group decide to start giga pulling when I start talking in here

I'm trying to chill and do TW and talk to my frens

settle down brewmaster who doesn't know how to play brewmaster 😠

[cerulean tusk]

Well, I say block value matters a lot, str and stamina - oh and avoidance

Get yet point, don't worry. Chillbill

[warm plinth]

I don't give a shit what people in giga high keys do. I've seen people running crit, I've seen people running vers. If they're timing keys, does it really matter what they're doing in the end

[jagged pier]

from what ppl say theres a split between vers and crit players so u can run what u want

[cerulean tusk]

Mastery too?