protection

[strong forum]

And you can just 10 man p3

And widdle boss down

[lusty tiger]

💯

[opaque quest]

if you lust P1 half the raid will just type lol and die while doing it

[strong forum]

Better 1 glitter p1 with entire raid alive

And Lust, than lose 10 people to inability

Just to keep Lust for p3

Brute force works

[pallid quiver]

Though if you lust P1 in a pug, there's like a 20% chance of being kicked mid pull

[strong forum]

If yiu wiped 4 times

[pallid quiver]

so simply tell one of the pugs to do it

[strong forum]

And you bring it up properly beforehand

Surely people can grow 3 braincells to understand

[pallid quiver]

That way they'll get kicked instead

[opaque quest]

If i wipe 4 times on sark i just leave

Im usualy out after first wipe if its before P3

[strong forum]

Then you didn't lose anything

It's that simple

[opaque quest]

I dont have the energy to reprogress sark

[strong forum]

If they can't understand that getting to p3 is the hard part in pugs

You didn't lose out on a sark kill

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, agree

I'd mostly just find another group because it's generally easier to find another group if it's that kind

[opaque quest]

Ye ditto

There are a bilion hardstuck sark grps anyways

[strong forum]

I just don't bother cuz lmao its only beacon

[opaque quest]

Im there for a friend usually. I dont do sark for myself

[strong forum]

Anything else irrelevant

[pallid quiver]

I do it while playing other games

[opaque quest]

I still dont have a single cloak and i dont bother

[pallid quiver]

It's like a break from farming muh gacha games or something

[strong forum]

Cloak is only semi useful for raid anyway

[opaque quest]

AYE

Caps

[strong forum]

Like, you don't lose much by just not doing the only boss that can prove difficult

Save yourself some trouble

[pallid quiver]

Listen, Magmorax the true pug killer

[lusty tiger]

Heroic sark is so easy it’s hilarious

If you do it on actual like 10-11 man heroic it feels like LFR as long as people have some gear

[strong forum]

Que

[opaque quest]

Ive killed him day 2 with a pug

When we all had 425 ilvl

If ppl now wipe with 445 i just quit

[lusty tiger]

If you don’t spin him enough you’re not allowed loot

[pallid quiver]

Magnorax has been the boss most of my pugs have died on

[strong forum]

What's there about magmorax

You just stay in 1 spot

[opaque quest]

No idea

[strong forum]

And everybody soaks

GG

[pallid quiver]

I know

[lusty tiger]

He needs to spin at least 42 times throughout the fight

[pallid quiver]

I have no idea how it keeps happening when I'm healing on my Enha

[strong forum]

My group today wanted to do so many wild things

They wanted to play assault with splitting group

[opaque quest]

lmao

Yeah

[strong forum]

They wanted to ping pong magmorax back and forth with knocks

[lusty tiger]

I’ve only done assault like that

[strong forum]

Wha

You don't even do that on mythic

You just send 1 tank down

[opaque quest]

Its weird. Ive played split for the first 2 weeks. Then its been zerg for 3 months now its split again somehow

[strong forum]

And the rest of the raid just burns the boss

Lust on pull and then just let the tank vibe at the bottom

And push boss

[opaque quest]

Best grps dont even have plates

Just go 1 tank 0 heal full dps

[strong forum]

If you have actual players ye

[pallid quiver]

also someone remind me to check those magmorax logs

I still don't know how everyone died

[strong forum]

Shit soaks/heals

Idk what else to say

[lusty tiger]

It’s a free boss

If u wipe you’re in LFR

[pallid quiver]

They weren't dying around mechs time, tho

[opaque quest]

LFR is tough as fuck

[lusty tiger]

No it isn’t haha

[pallid quiver]

LFR Garalon hardest boss in WoW

[lusty tiger]

Queue in tank, ready check and pull timer, and all the people pavlov respond and grow a second brain cell

[strong forum]

Nah

[opaque quest]

LFR spine hardest boss

[strong forum]

Lfr nzoth

[lusty tiger]

LFR raz

[strong forum]

Was harder than mythic

[opaque quest]

I dont even remember nzoth

[lusty tiger]

I was healing heroic nzoth

[opaque quest]

My brain erased BFA and SL

[lusty tiger]

I was so bad

Never dispelled and had the most broken fucked ui

[strong forum]

Nzoth was stacking the dmg/heal buff into infinity

Cuz it wasn't a numbers check

[pallid quiver]

LFR N zoth was pretty bad, but players overall weren't as bad

[strong forum]

It was "don't get MC'd" check

[opaque quest]

LFR nzoth needed 1 person to explain it

[pallid quiver]

Still hard as fuck, tho

[strong forum]

People going into nzoth without cloak

Get insta mc'd

xdd

[lusty tiger]

Hah

[opaque quest]

Did you need cloak to queue LFR?

[pallid quiver]

No

Iirc

[lusty tiger]

Thx blizzard

[opaque quest]

Metzen will fix LFR

He will fix everything

[lusty tiger]

Drægen will fix LFR

[pallid quiver]

How to fix LFR: If you die on LFR you die for real

[south zealot]

sorry arcuss im petty.

[lusty tiger]

[opaque quest]

escalation

[pallid quiver]

What's the escalation though? It's a less stressful experience than the soul shattering existence of playing LFR

As it stands now, you'll show up before Anubis and before he can even put your heart on the scale, he'll just go "damn bro what happened up there you okay?"

[limpid orbit]

Something light in the back pocket

[lusty grotto]

check #268491842637660160

[potent anvil]

I'm listed twice on the leaderboards for BTM...

Double the chance to win

[pallid quiver]

Well

Cheat Death requires you to die to have much effect, so

It's not a particularly good triniet barring exceptional planning where you intend to proc it somewhere, especially with as much survival proper play gives you

[sick sentinel]

yeah part of whyt im starting to enjoy bdk too is

you get low ph

and its not

oh, i guess ill die now

no execute sucks though + no easy engate fall dmgs

only major gripe

[mortal dagger]

The best def trinks to go into next season ll be cheat death n talisman of cragshaper/trink from bh imo

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[jagged gust]

best trinket is obviously gonna be DN

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[jagged gust]

They're just really easy to handle

[sick sentinel]

CHALLENGE find a raid or any trinket with acronym DN

[jagged gust]

Castle DN?

[lucid holly]

I need to do my other 4 missing keys then I’ll be up there 😂

But like, there are 0 BTM keys listed. Can’t find any to do sadly

[potent anvil]

Yeah, it's rough out there

[warm plinth]

I see Plka listened to my ping

[hardy snow]

I died on lfr amalgamation because I was only person to soak in p2, stupid me, wanted to do mechanic

[warm plinth]

Smh, that's what you get nerd

[pallid quiver]

Ghash beat me to it

damn this is what i get for standing up to stretch my legs

[warm plinth]

Gotta get up earlier than that to beat my quick wit amirite

[jagged pier]

Happens all the time

[potent anvil]

I see some prot warrs use 2 charges wall talent over wall cdr... don't you get shield wall down to like 50s or something with cdr talent and AM? What are the advantages/disadvantages?

[pallid quiver]

The advantage is that you get two shield walls directly back to back

the downside is you get a lot less shield wall

[jagged pier]

And alot less rage

[pallid quiver]

In almost every situation I can think of, it's a worse talent. Someone who's done more content likely knows if there is a situation like that

[jagged pier]

It is just a worse talent we dont know why ppl run it

[pallid quiver]

I have to make up situations where you'd want to use the two charges of SW

[warm plinth]

ez, a 16 second fight where you need the DR the entire fight

[potent anvil]

I can think of like 2 scenarios were a 2nd wall would be nice, but if that ever happen I imagine that's just a healer external and/or low dps problem.

[fast edge]

Anyone want to share their UX for prot?

[pallid quiver]

I was gonna say a fight where there's mega ultra continuous death for like 16 seconds, but there's a gap of like 4 mins or whatever it is for both charges to come back

[potent anvil]

Not like s1 mdi were 2nd wall would be nice since every pull is as big as the last.

[lyric cape]

Isn't it 3:30 minute CD for wall so would take 7 minutes for both charges to come back

[pallid quiver]

AM kicks in to reduce it even if you aren't taking Imp Wall

[potent anvil]

Yeah, not sure on wall charges. I've seen my wall cd be as low as like 50-some seconds just spending rage all the time with the cdr talent. So you can practically wall every pull if you wanted to, just not have a long wall during a pull.

[pallid quiver]

unless you're also not taking AM, in which case you have problems

[jagged pier]

Yer its not 3mins its like 2:30 or somthing i actually have no idea

[lyric cape]

Ah ye i forgot about AM

Imagine reading tooltips -.-

[jagged pier]

But that talent is basically u have 1 extra charge of sheild wall cause once u use it

Its gone and u have normal sw

So its just bad

[potent anvil]

Yeah, seems kinda bad

[jagged pier]

Iw literally is more rage for AM and more SWs overall

Its crazy

[pallid quiver]

For M+, you need DR more often than that, so it's bad, and raid fights don't last long enough and you'd use DR more often than that, so it's bad there

Since the best value that it gives over Imp Wall is if you need infrequent bounts of bongo amounts of DR with two back to back SWs

[potent anvil]

Was just curious since I see some warrs use it and I can't possibly think of a scenario where it'd be demonstrably better.

[pallid quiver]

The thought process is "Woah, I'm dying, I need more shield wall, that'll solve it!"

based on the people I've asked why

that's mathematically incorrect, but that hasn't stopped wow players before

well, it might be correct for some of the people playing considering how little some people press their buttons, so a free extra SW at all is, in fact, one more SW they'd cast

[potent anvil]

One of the possible scenarios I can think of, is literally setting up a neltharus chains pull in a very high fort key. But I haven't really gotten to that point and even if I have I'd have to probably see how the pull goes first. I'm sure it'd be more of a safety pick than anything.

[warm plinth]

It reminds me of the double SR lego in Legion. Everyone's like oh I have an extra SR!!! Except you only have that extra SR the first time, then it's just one SR lol

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

I think the only circumstance we ever used that was Ymiron in Maw of Souls lol

[jagged pier]

I didnt KeKW

[warm plinth]

just pet taunt 4Head

[pallid quiver]

The real good SR spice in Legion was reflecting spells the entire duration

[lucid holly]

I think having 2 on demand shield walls can be helpful at times. Neltharus chain pulls for example. Setting them up on war can be a bit painful. Bolstered pulls in BH. I ran double in a 26 BH i just did for safety cause the only time I need wall is either during a big gather or at end of same pull so I’d rather bank 2 charges and have when I need vs generally having more throughout key. But maybe I’m just had and fort/bolster just scary

[urban portal]

Double wall is good if you plan for it

But generally it’s worse

[chilly brook]

Double wall has almost never been useful

[warm plinth]

[lucid holly]

Yeah I can certainly see why it’s worse in most cases. Just a few situations I’d prefer to have it. Nelth lair for example. First pull and hulks rather just send 2 and such

[blazing condor]

I did use double wall a little in s1

Felt okayish

[potent anvil]

Yeah it comes down to how you plan on using it for sure. Otherwise, more rage, and like a 50s cd on shield wall just seems infinitely better.

[blazing condor]

But generally was skill isssue

[chilly brook]

Because it is

[warm plinth]

Deswind is infinitely better

[chilly brook]

I’m sure there are some very very specific use cases where the other option might be better but it’s extremely rare

[lucid holly]

Most of the time as prot you don’t need anything. it’s like 90% of the time I take no dmg and the 10% of the time I do I can plan for

Unless it’s Ruby life pools

Then you pray 🙏🏻

[chilly brook]

It’s like picking a specific tire because it’s better on launch but worse for the rest of the race

[lucid holly]

It isn’t just the first use though, you can bank 2 for any particular point. There’s gotta be a strict reason to use it but I don’t think it’s a dead talent

<<< not a warrior main though. Might just be bad

[potent anvil]

Looking over one of my vods, my lowest shield wall cd was 42s. So, just slam that on cd unless you need it. My style of tanking

[lucid holly]

I def treat it too much like SI on bear where you don’t press it unless you need it kinda thing. I can probably get better at using it more frequently during gather or whatever

[chilly brook]

I mean yeah you don’t need to press it a lot of the time

But why not when it’s so low CD

[urban portal]

It’s not a dead talent

But it’s very situational

[pallid quiver]

I simply pull until I go "ha ha i might be in danger" so that I always do need it when i slam it on cd 🙂

[chilly brook]

Just make sure you know where you do need it

[lucid holly]

Considering how tanky war is rn and that they’re getting a nice tier next season, I do think there’s some real potential for warrior to shine

But I haven’t played them much on PTR so unsure how they fair in each new dungeon. Mostly played brew and dk atm

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s pretty damn dead lol

[potent anvil]

I tend to send it proactively. I have experiences where my healer would just yell at me if I die and had SW available for a decent amount of time
Now I just try to live on my own.

Every pull I'll just rotationally fit in a shield wall just to mitigate damage even if I'm healthy. I'll have it up the next pull anyway

[pallid quiver]

I don't do enough content to look good enough, so it's extremely rare I ever get a healer who even knows I've pressed a defensive or am even sending rage at all

[lucid holly]

I do find that to be super weird as warrior. It’s like, I’m tanking a giga pull and my health is super chill, but if healer dies I can’t sustain it forever.

[chilly brook]

Your health is fine until it isn’t as a warrior

[potent anvil]

I pushed keys as hpal... I've healed all kinds of tanks... some were definitely fotm rerollers

[lucid holly]

Idk I’m sorta shopping around for a new experience next tier

I like my war. I like my monk. But also, have you logged into PTR since vdh rework?

Cause that shit need to be nerfed

[potent anvil]

Isn't VDH tier bugged? Or was that fixed recently?

Like it stacked parry or w/e

[lucid holly]

It’s not the tier so much as 2 new talents

[chilly brook]

Me just warrior brain

[lucid holly]

One yeah you walk around with passive 55% parry now basically

So that’s a bit too much lol 😂

[chilly brook]

I can’t play other classes for long periods of time

[lucid holly]

And 2 is the new double charge on sigil

[potent anvil]

SL s4 bdk vibes

[lucid holly]

It means for example

You can solo aoe silence and control an entire pack for 30 seconds straight and also have it back up within the next pull

They now have the most stops out of any tank by like 300% if it doesn’t change

So regardless of dmg or tankiness, just that alone should probably be looked at

[potent anvil]

I played every tank but bear so far. I prefer warr or pala. Pala for just utility and warr is like a comfort pick. But still kinda sucks that it's harder to gather mobs as warr.

BDK with abom, pala with DT.. makes pulls easier

[lucid holly]

Agreed. But then I played monk recently and realized war ain’t so bad 😅

[tardy lily]

I mean, you could always play that heroic throw talent

[lucid holly]

At least I can heroic throw. Monk feels super weird to gather things at range.

[warm plinth]

but you know you love that spammy slammy

[potent anvil]

Yeah, I tend to play higher apm specs lol

[lucid holly]

But pally and bear both make gathering a totally different experience cause they can range hit stuff

[potent anvil]

Mashing ignore pain or sotr on pala

[lucid holly]

I’m a battle scared veteran gamer cause, it procs 50% of the time I gather stuff cause I’m still kinda bad at managing it perfectly and not getting hit in back as I go collect stuff

[chilly brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801489684520763453/1154185300235518034/image0.gif

Me looking at you for playing BSV

[jagged pier]

America

[potent anvil]

I honestly forgot about prot cheat death talent...

[lucid holly]

Idk why people hate on it. It’s not that much of a dmg loss to take and it’s a super OP cheat to have on a 3 min cd

[chilly brook]

BSV bad

It’s not a cheat though

[lucid holly]

It’s the most OP cheat in the game basically

[chilly brook]

It procs off pre mitigated damage

It’s bad

[lucid holly]

I have never once died from it

Like if it procs I don’t die during that 8 sec window at least

[jagged pier]

I mean it doesnt work

[chilly brook]

It literally doesn’t work properly

[lucid holly]

What do you mean it doesn’t work?

[warm plinth]

Not even a cheat death

and bugged

smfh

[potent anvil]

I never picked it in s1, but I honestly just forgot it existed

[lucid holly]

How so

[potent anvil]

Since I'm generally talented for damage anyway

[warm plinth]

It procs from pre-mitigation damage.

[chilly brook]

You can proc it at like 90% Hp lol

[lucid holly]

Cause it’s saved my life many times

[jagged pier]

Good because it doesnt

[chilly brook]

Probably didn’t

[pallid quiver]

Like was said, it procs off pre-mit damage unless it's been fixed

[jagged pier]

It really didnt i can almost guarentee it

[pallid quiver]

So you can move from like 95% to 90% and it kicks in

[lucid holly]

I’m probably just an idiot prot war but like, it’s super huge when it procs

It’s never procced at high health before for me I don’t think

[pallid quiver]

so super huge in letting you get back that 10% you're missing

[warm plinth]

Not to mention you can go from 30% to 0% and get nothing out of it.

[chilly brook]

I mean yea it’s good when it procs but it procs at basically any health percentage

[warm plinth]

Because it's not dynamic

[jagged pier]

Trust ive seen the logs where ppl are like its saved me but it had proced earlier on so it actually did nothing and was just the healer 99% of the time

[pallid quiver]

And on top of that, it's not an actual cheat death because you don't cheat death with it

you just die if you got killed

[jagged pier]

Ive even seen it proc at 100% health

👍

[warm plinth]

ez clap

[lucid holly]

Idk, that feels wrong. I’ll have to take a look at it in keys

[chilly brook]

Check your logs lol

[warm plinth]

Log it, and you'll see for yourself.

[lucid holly]

It seems to function well for me when I play it

[golden tartan]

Hows prot looking compared to other tanks?

[chilly brook]

Feelycraft

[lucid holly]

I’ll check

[golden tartan]

In ptr

[jagged pier]

Feelycrafty

[chilly brook]

Decent, tier is gonna be stronk in m+

[potent anvil]

Yeah, I probably should have reworded, but anything that procs at <x% health to me is a cheat death as far as nomenclature goes lol. So it's just easier for me to refer to it as that.

[golden tartan]

Yeah im guessing prot will benefit from those troar cdr's

On big ass pulls

[chilly brook]

More so the flat 16% aoe damage reduction

[warm plinth]

Yeah thing is, it's not even dynamic like e.g. Will of the Necropolis is

[chilly brook]

But yeah the extra aoe will be nice

[pallid quiver]

I always find it important to make the distinction because it's a lot easier to enforce you dying than to enforce you getting low, so a cheat death can serve purposes in cheesing things

[warm plinth]

If it worked properly and functioned like WotN then I could at least see it being the safety net for newbies that it was intended to be.

[chilly brook]

It would just be a good talent at that point especially for fights that we historically struggle with

[warm plinth]

Well, you'd still have to 0.

to nearly die

for it to be effective

[potent anvil]

I've done my fair share of tanking in higher m+ over the seasons. I rarely play cheat death trinkets/talents. Always prepare to not die, always go for more damage

[warm plinth]

Which generally means bad play

Luigi is helping me type

[chilly brook]

I mean getting to 30% HP isn’t stupidly hard depending on the fight

Lol

Forgotten excitements

[pale karma]

First time doing a fortified + b olstering week. What should I do differently from last week? Trash is eating me alive ... not sure if it's just a bad healer but I'm running out of defensive cds

[chilly brook]

[pallid quiver]

deios + an add saying hi in doti will likely be among those in M+ next season, too

[pale karma]

Should I throw away my routes from last weeek and pull one pack at a time?

[warm plinth]

No

[lucid holly]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J9ydG1npwgt2BThZ#fight=5&type=summary

[blazing condor]

Kiting is fine if needed

Just let them run the debuff off if they got a million stacks

But ideally you dont pull so that you bolster one add a billion times

[jagged pier]

I mean fortifed will do that too u if u havent done fort befire

[warm plinth]

Use defensives more, don't overlap them. If you have monkey dps who can't kill shit evenly, run away

[blazing condor]

And dps should try and cleave equally

[lucid holly]

Here’s my last key I ran today. 26 BH. I played safe, limited river pulls cause bolster sucks. Aside from kinda misplaying cause I’m watching my new 4 month old puppy, can you find if BSV bugged there?

[warm plinth]

Some mobs will absolutely push your shit in if they get bolstered

[blazing condor]

Some pulls youd do other weeks you dont do on bolstering

[lucid holly]

Idk how to tell

[pale karma]

Would I still pull 3 packs first pull of FH16, for example?

[lucid holly]

I’d love to drop it in favor of more dmg if it’s actually as bugged as you say it is

[lucid holly]

Yeah 16 is fine

[pale karma]

19?

[blazing condor]

Yeah should be fine

They have pretty equal health pools

[lucid holly]

19 also fine to do first pull cause people have cds

[blazing condor]

And bl

[lucid holly]

Maybe later in dungeon, you can make some smaller

[blazing condor]

If you bolster the dudes that do the disruptive shout you can wipe tho

If he got a billion stacks

[lucid holly]

Can you take a look at that log to check for me when you get a moment

[pale karma]

Ok, thank you 🙂

[lucid holly]

I’m not sure how to track BSV or whatnot

[warm plinth]

Okay so

Two things

First, I'm pretty sure this log shows it's been fixed

And second, this is funny shit

[pallid quiver]

The second one kicked in at 35% technically

34.29% super technically

[lucid holly]

Those casts hurt on bolster fort 26 :p

[warm plinth]

Yeah a few of them kicked in at between 30 and 35

[pallid quiver]

Third at 33.69%

[warm plinth]

But none higher than that

Which is what you'd expect to see

[pallid quiver]

he also saw the 289 hp live

[lucid holly]

The river pulls are only scary cause of the shapers casting on me. That’s the worst part of BH for my warrior and I’ll die if I don’t expect or plan for 3-4 simultaneous casts

[warm plinth]

It also only procced 5 times, all at low health

Before it would basically proc on cooldown

[lucid holly]

So I’m like pretty sure it worked properly for me in that key

[warm plinth]

It does appear so, yes

Your healer's reaction time on that drop to 289 HP though

[lucid holly]

And when it does proc, healer can instantly top me to full + I do think the DR applies cause I never ever drop lower once it procs

[chilly brook]

Never dropped below 70% before the first proc

Your first proc was around 20 seconds

[lucid holly]

Oh I had prophetic scale trinket too which I didn’t end up proccimg at all so I definitely greeded a few times and played lazy

Yeah I was gathering big pull at start

[potent anvil]

Is it not worth to run spell block for that pull specifically? Seems itll get a lot of value.

[lucid holly]

Getting hit in back

[chilly brook]

Yeah but it shouldn’t proc at 76% lol

Errr 73%

Well might be a little later

Idk mobile is ass

[warm plinth]

?

This is the 1st proc

[lucid holly]

If you spell reflect one of the casts it doesn’t hurt that bad. It’s only when 2-4 sync up and also you don’t have demo shout or reflect up or lower ignore pain

[chilly brook]

Mobile sucks

[potent anvil]

I ran spell block for BH so I can tank withering bolts or w/e. Although ultinately I think you skip those packs. Mind soothe open cages. Pull slimes and extra stuff after first boss

[warm plinth]

I checked all 5, 34 and some change is the highest HP it procced at

[lucid holly]

I know I’m not a prot main, I don’t know all the ins and outs of this class, I know bear very very well but

[pallid quiver]

wait a second

[lucid holly]

I really do think it’s working as intended for me rn

[warm plinth]

so I wonder if they fucked up when they nerfed it a while back

[pallid quiver]

Is that Barbaric Training?

[warm plinth]

Because iirc it originally procced at 35%?

WHY

WOULD YOU DO THIS

[pallid quiver]

I was just going to check BSV's tooltip since I thought it was 35% and i saw it

[warm plinth]

[lucid holly]

Bwahhaha I honestly forgot to even check my class tree before key started.

[pallid quiver]

I also had to doublecheck if you took TL since you had a lot more demos than SCs

I just started poking around

[lucid holly]

That’s the revenge talent right?

[warm plinth]

It was 35% during beta

Yes

[lucid holly]

What do you take instead of that?

[warm plinth]

Seismic Reverb

[pallid quiver]

Seismic for your tree

Barbaric Training kills your rage gen atm

[lucid holly]

Ahh yeah. That makes sense

[chilly brook]

Well if BSV is fixed that’s nice

[pallid quiver]

And with how you're oversending on IP, you're hurting both your survival and damage

[warm plinth]

At least it's not a completely wasted talent. But not being dynamic still limits its usability

[chilly brook]

Ye

[lucid holly]

Lazy gaming today. I was just playing safe in that key

[pallid quiver]

It's not playing safe to send on IP too much

[lucid holly]

Mostly defensive stance chilling. Def didn’t optimize stuff

[pallid quiver]

you literally become weaker

[warm plinth]

I'd like for @strong forum to look at it too though in case we're just overlooking something. RE: BSV potentially not being bugged anymore

[chilly brook]

Dynamic application would be sick man

Would actually skyrocket that talent

[warm plinth]

They timed it though, no?

[lucid holly]

Umm you can check any of my other key logs. I don’t always play it but if my war is doing 25+ I probably took it

I’m not the best at prot war so I tend to play safer and not greed dmg as much

[warm plinth]

Isn't BH timer like 36 mins

[lucid holly]

We timed that BH with 2 min left easily

[warm plinth]

Yeah so

[lucid holly]

But few river deaths and no brez cost like 3 minutes honestly

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I think logs tell you if it's not timed iirc? Isn't it red?

[potent anvil]

Yeah. I'm just trying to think, because I'd probably play spell block and/or disrupting shout for the 6s spell lockout. But I honestly would avoid those packs if I ran with a priest. Withering stacks is what brings you down and becomes harder for a healer to top you.

[warm plinth]

idc, I cba arguing talents anymore honestly lol. And it's obviously not preventing you from timing a 26

[pallid quiver]

i just can't not look at casts anymore when i see a log

it's just hard to not do it

[warm plinth]

Could be; I'm colorblind so it's not really something I'd notice.

[lucid holly]

I do sufficient dmg on war. But mostly I’m hurting for trinkets. No beacon or anvil

[pallid quiver]

i haven't done M+ this season so I'd have to try and find an untimed log

pffsatatasf

you're getting smacked without a shield a lot, tho

[lucid holly]

My bear does giga dmg and I’m super comfy with him so I can min max during a higher key. Warrior on fort bolster I’m just gonna be a bit of a turtle

[pallid quiver]

74% blocked hits

[lucid holly]

Since I know I have BSV right? I often gather in BH intending to proc it

So in river for example, as I walk past stuff I just turn my back and continue on. Cause I know I’ll be fine. If I wasn’t playing it I’d have to work a lot harder for sure

And sometimes mid pull I charge to collect lashers or I just have stuff hitting me from wrong side cause I’m lazy but ultimately I don’t think I stress my healer out that much. Today was certainly not my best day though

It’s a bear habit to let myself get hit in the back. A habbit I must break if I swap to a diff tank

[pallid quiver]

Little bit of the not get hit in the back juice, a little bit of not letting SB drop off on at least this performance alone

It's looking to be part of the main reason you managed to proc BSV, since you spiked real fast during times SB fell off

[lucid holly]

Yeah for sure. I noticed I was dropping it here and there

Just lazy gaming today. Wasn’t trying that hard

If you look at some of the other logs it’s probably better 😅

[pale karma]

Well that 16FH went fine. Time to try 18NEL 😮

I miss Tyrranical XD

[warm plinth]

time for gn friends

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-drake-gif-26307972

[warm plinth]

19 left w/ still 4 weeks to go is pretty good though eh?

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

Fuck is this

You don't play free 30% aoe dmg on revenge but instead make it more expensive and you don't play shockwave

[pallid quiver]

I didn't want to point that out when I looked at it

It was really hard to stay on topic

The log was brought up as a possible example of BSV being fixed

[strong forum]

Ik I saw

It kinda checks out

[pallid quiver]

I already forgot if we mentioned the context

[strong forum]

One time it procced at 40% tho

[pallid quiver]

i only remember you being pinged

I think I only saw it proc at actual 30% or less like once in there

[strong forum]

And outside of that none of the hits in BH are actually high enough to proc it pre-mit

So I wouldn't go about confirming that it's fixed

But it looks "more in line"

[pallid quiver]

At best they got closer was my knee jerk with all the 35%s and what-not

Even if they fix it you'll take Battering Ram from my cold, dead hands unless our gameplay gets kneecapped

[hardy snow]

it would be easier to check in raid, as some tank busters have pretty high basic damage

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/H5cHrF1.png

lowest HP he ever reached was 44% and it procced there; early september

this guy procced it at 35%; 2nd october

here he procced at 55%

he took the 600K flame slash, which didnt get mitigated by BSV, then it procced

so its still very arbitrary and doesnt have rhyme or reason

funnily enough he then immediately popped SW together with BSV

so he had 99.5% DR on himself

its still not as bad as what ive seen happen to sense when he procced BSV

• BSV was ready
• drops to 20% hp, but doesnt proc BSV
• kills the last enemy of the pack, healing back up to 50% HP
• combat ends
• BSV procs outside of combat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1035943785311514674.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

im starting to think

BSV proccing is accumulated dmg taken over X period of time coupled with some form of HP threshold that isnt 30%

@slim zinc thoughts?

[slim zinc]

It's possible that it functions in a similar way to Will of the necropolis

DM me some logs and I'll look after work

This sounds like something to sink my teeth in while in 10.2 waiting room

[tardy lily]

i just came back here. skimmed through the discussion, so basically the reason why BSV is so bad is, that it doesnt procc when it is supposed to procc, like in the tooltip.
in theory BSV should proc when you go below the 35% HP threshshold, so theoretically once you reach through any hit 34% or lower, it should proc, provided you survive the hit, right?
But realistically it calculates dmg taken in a weird way and procs at weird intervals where it shouldnt?

[strong forum]

you also generally have to sacrifice SUPER strong talents to get BSV

but yes, it procs at weird times, with little rhyme or reason to it

and also just because you dipped below 30% it doesnt mean you actually needed BSV to proc there, if it even did proc

also the CD of BSV doesnt display a debuff

so if you dont have a weakaura, you dont even know about it doing anything or being ready/not ready

and ofc

now i get a tank to heal that plays BSV

xdd

in a 17

[inland raft]

Non-cheat cheat deaths typically suck

Why not make it a real cheat?

[tardy lily]

Afaik DKs WotN works as intended why not make BSV work like WotN?

give it a debuff and the whole shbaz

[jagged pier]

I mean they could just renove the talent

So i dont have to ever hear about it again because cheat deaths in general are just bad

[tardy lily]

I mean, i understand why, but in certain scenarios I like so also play with them, albeit very nieche and also when not playing in an organised group, etc. etc. - personal preference. Not on warrior though. But on DK I like WotN and Purgatory.

[lusty tiger]

BANNER

[jagged pier]

Ah yes banner without cap stones that would still be useless

[hardy snow]

I think Nome posted once good graphic with Banner in place of Ravager, so it can also have followup talents with some juices from covenant lege

That would be cool

[strong forum]

on this pwar BSV procced once in FH 17

despite him never dropping below 90% hp

🫠

[jagged pier]

Defo needed mate

Was gunna die

[strong forum]

ah nvm he ate the dot brew

on 2nd boss

[jagged pier]

[lusty tiger]

Just load it all into one

[sick sentinel]

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getting random ads for chainsaws on twitter now lmao

[final mist]

DK works better with talents like those because the class is heavily designed in a manner that facilitates your health (and your healers' heart rate) swinging back and forth by large margins. The spec is also heavily designed around poat-damage mitigation via Death Strike (and even with everything taken into account, cheat deaths historically have not been good in general, which includes Purgatory, because of trade offs with other talents and trinkets - the solution is just "play better").

Cheat deaths and talents that work at specific thresholds generally, as a rule, don't work foe a spec like us because we aren't reactive at all, we're entirely proactive. We don't have any tools to help ourselves out a cheat death, we don't have anything we can do once BSV procs (even if it did work correctly), and that leaves us as sitting ducks entirely at the mercy of our healers and our own ineptitude for getting ourselves into that situation in the first place. I.E. Play better.

Man, this reminds me of the Legion cheat deaths trinket discussion fiasco, y'all remember that

[tardy lily]

I mean

Impending Victory

jokes aside, 100% understand what you mean and I completely agree.

[final mist]

Yeah, I'm just adding on because it's 8:30, I'm doing my morning routine and it's been 36 years since I've actually done anything in here that's not a shitpost

[tardy lily]

Still, I think IF and only IF Warrior should have a build in opt in node like a cheat death, it should work as one, even if it's extremely nieche

[final mist]

I don't think we should have one at all

If we did, it would have to be egregiously powerful compared to other talents, at which point it shouldn't be a talent at all

[tardy lily]

As I wrote, I like to have the option as I want to "be the nice guy and play it safe" in unorganised groups, but outside of that in my m+ grp or any of that I dont run one.

Fair

For HP-focusses classes like VDH and BDK it makes sense, as you wrote, but still I personally think it's a nice node to have IF it worked correctly. Hence why I asked if the weird interaction is a given. I really think that is not as intended tbh, the way BSV currently works, which makes an already not meta choice of a talent even more worse.

[waxen frigate]

How much does that actually do

I’ve never been hit by it

[strong forum]

300k on a 17

per tick

nvm is 100k

[waxen frigate]

I mean

100k per tick doesn’t seem terrible

How long does it last

[jagged pier]

6 seconds its brew

Or well the boss mechanic brew

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[jagged pier]

They all 6 seconds arent they?

[waxen frigate]

I don’t know lmao

[sick sentinel]

BDK is pretty awesome but PWAR is even more awesomer

thats my review

[lusty tiger]

Tanking sucks just play a support

[sick sentinel]

fuck that lmao

[lusty tiger]

Until they release my polearm + shield dragon

[sick sentinel]

if i couldnt play tank, or melee, i'd have quit wow AGES ago

its, my destiny to be, detankermans 🙂

military/other game tanks included military tank has explosive rounds, immune to small guns, run guys over if have to, faster than walking

[inland raft]

Hpal and mw are melee support and you said melee

[sick sentinel]

oh right

for other players, of course

to support me, and the rest of the group you see, not for me to play one

[inland raft]

I feel like any good player should play every role at least to a basic level, gives you appreciation for what their limits are

[urban portal]

Idk man

Max is one of the best wow “players” in the world

And he doesn’t play the game

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKREj8yDvjw if you want to talk about "gaming feats"

i beat this on easy last night

HOLY FUCK was that shit ever hard

on hard, your ammo pools, hp are limited is the main differences i dont know if u take more dmg

cuz it starts you + - 20 max hp for easy/hard

[waxen frigate]

You say that as if he’s never played the game lol

[hardy snow]

I dont need to play healer to know that healing is hard and I dont need to play dps to know that dpsing is easy 🤷‍♂️

[waxen frigate]

healing is hard

He fell for the propaganda

[sick sentinel]

im half way tempted to try that game on normal or hard mode now

hards gunna be a fuckin nightmare

my absolute best case pure hopium for blizzcon is they announce star craft ghosts and its like cyberpunk+starfield+(space game) + the ps1 game (above) with the blood and gore and rockets and such

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats never gonna happen

[sick sentinel]

i mean, why not? lmao

jeez if i want to think about moral quandries, i can go play literally any other game than sc2

[gloomy vortex]

New patch notes saying consumes 100% thunderous roar, do they mean consuming bleeds now 100% from 40% damage.

[sick sentinel]

thats what sc2 turned into , simple battle, talkt to commander, they have some message they want to push in the dialogue,

[urban portal]

It’s called not having enough resources to make the game

It’s called mass layoffs

[serene mason]

vespene or minerals though?

[urban portal]

Workers

Minerals I guess

[sick sentinel]

but ya, thats what i want from blizzcon otherwise im fence sitting

[daring marlin]

Niche

Plus they want more garbage with MTX

[sick sentinel]

thats why 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 FPS games have been made

cuz, niche

[daring marlin]

bruh

It's a saturated market, obviously

🤡

[urban portal]

How many of those games are single player without mtx

Like 2

[sick sentinel]

yeah, but its blizzard, they don't have to fuck it up

they arent

some guy working at mcdonalds and later wendies

learning to code his second game ever

cuz the first one didnt play well

[daring marlin]

You clearly know more than the dudes printing money over there

go tell 'em what's up

[sick sentinel]

look im not wrong okay

[oblique garnet]

Man blizzard barely has enough workers to keep the current games running

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

i still dont feel like im wrong about what i said at all

i feel as though when games are more edgier, and riskier, brutal and little help and less back is given, makes game better overall

have to struggle to get through

its just, "oh fuck, i actually have to do this now, dammit, this is really hard :(" isn't always a bad thing

[daring marlin]

what

[urban portal]

Surely blizzard can spawn 100 something swes out of thin air

[sick sentinel]

well if i play mario or spyro

[daring marlin]

If Blizz made an FPS it would be nothing like what you describe

[sick sentinel]

theres no combat, nothing challenging to do

and i turn the game off in 30 minutes

[daring marlin]

It'd be an ubishit type experience

[sick sentinel]

again its blizzard and they can actively choose not to shoot themselves in the foot by making a ubishit fps shooter

[cinder storm]

They don't need to make anything new, they just need to keep everything together until the microsoft deal finalizes

like spiderman holding the train, but instead of spidey its bobby

[daring marlin]

It'd be like this abomination

https://mp1st.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/elden-ring-ubisoft-ui.png

[sick sentinel]

i mean wtf are we talking about here guys... lol

just a sniper person game

[cinder storm]

and its mobile game, with micro transactions

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

doesn't have to have a battlepass or daily login

[daring marlin]

That makes money

Ergo you're wrong???

[sick sentinel]

charge 80$ for the base game adjusting for inflation

[urban portal]

Good luck charging people 80 bucks for a purely single player game

In this economy

[sick sentinel]

can buy some skins or gun skins or space ships skins, i dunno

couild be 2-4 player online co-op

the OW sp we never got

[daring marlin]

huh, wonder why...

...

[cinder storm]

I really need to finish octopath traveler 1 and 2

my friend: why do you spend 2 hours trying to find a crafter you are wasting your time
me: why do you spend 2 hours farming xmog and running events you are wasting your time

[sick sentinel]

i just, i prayge i made my arguments crystal clear 🙂

[cinder storm]

people have different perceptions

[last mason]

So with the latest tier change has the perception of the tier become even better or was that just expected to happen

[sick sentinel]

i don't have an ill will against blizzard but, thats the type of stuff im interested in and i think there are many gamers like that

[waxen frigate]

It’s impressive how badly blizz fumbled overwatch

What a fantastic core game

[daring marlin]

nish answer the man

sheesh

[mellow bridge]

blizz has fumbled every single one of their franchises 👀

(altho WoW does seem to be getting better again this expansion)

[waxen frigate]

Answer who

What

[urban portal]

Yeah wow is their last hope

But cod still doing ok

Same with candy crush

[sick sentinel]

TBH

[urban portal]

Greatest game of all time

[waxen frigate]

Well that’s activision blizzard

Not blizzard

[sick sentinel]

even if SCghosts was a janky ubishit game

[waxen frigate]

There’s a difference

[sick sentinel]

id still play the fuck out of it

[urban portal]

king is the greatest company

[waxen frigate]

Real talk mobile gaming is obviously the near future market for gaming

Hell it’s already the present market

People in the west just turn a blind eye to it

[sick sentinel]

im fine with ghosts being a mobile game too

phones are petty powerful these days

[waxen frigate]

I think mobile games are going to end up driving profits

While pc/console games start to turn into sports games and passion projects

[urban portal]

If anything mobile is prime for sports games

[waxen frigate]

I agree

But console sports games will never die

[urban portal]

I saw someone play 2k on mobile and it looks fantastic

60 fps too

[sick sentinel]

its like yugioh duel links i can play my account on both my phone and my computer

[waxen frigate]

Mobile sports games are already here and very popular

But hanging out on the couch with a controller playing Madden is an experience that won’t go away

[sick sentinel]

and computer is the overall better experience

[waxen frigate]

Because it’s a very popular one

[waxen frigate]

Better yes but it’s not as accessible

[sick sentinel]

but both works, thats what i would want for sc ghosts is what im saying i can play it on both platforms and my progress transfers

[plush tendon]

Mobile games you can easily play at work, on the train, on the toilet

[waxen frigate]

And accessibility increases player base which increases paying customers

[plush tendon]

easily link your mobile game to your apple pay

[waxen frigate]

I’d personally like to see more games that have linked mobile and pc/console options

[plush tendon]

add a couple of $1-$5 micro transacations

[waxen frigate]

As in like 2 games that are related but semi separate

[plush tendon]

and now you making canadough

[waxen frigate]

Like if Warcraft rumble and WoW had some sort of constant tie in

Not gear or anything but like

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/freemium-microtransaction-south-park-mobile-gaming-gaming-as-services-gif-16682667

[urban portal]

Like mission fables

[waxen frigate]

If you could earn cosmetics

[urban portal]

Tables

[waxen frigate]

Yeah except actual gameplay

[urban portal]

I love mission tables

[sick sentinel]

i am an absolute SUCKER for a fps shooter that takes place** I N S P A C E **

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

[waxen frigate]

Specificially Eve online attempted this at one point

Where they had dust 140 or something like that

As a console fps that directly interacted with the pc mmo

[sick sentinel]

only story i need is

terrorist dickheads are being dickheads, or tryant wreaking havoc-stop them

[hardy snow]

I wish we have more horde vs alliance story in WoW, BfA supposed to be about it, turned out to another shit about old gods

[plush tendon]

I mean, where do you take the Horde vs Alliance storyline at this point?

Only way to spark that conflict again is to make one of the factions the aggressor and its a literal repeat of BFA

[ashen coral]

No, initially it would consume the whole bleed but only deal 40% of the remaining damage, it still does that for deep wounds and rend, but not thunderous roar anymore

It does consume the bleed effect but it deals 100% of the damages

[gloomy vortex]

That sounds quite good as TR is now reduced time with the tier set?

[ashen coral]

Yep, the issue apparently was that you would have to choose between consume your bleed or wait for Thunderous Roar as blood is 65% of TR's damage

But now we can press shield slam without thinking

[urban portal]

Yeah it’s really good now

The damage is still st but the reduction is aoe

Rather you don’t have to multi dot your ss for defensive power

[hardy snow]

there wouldnt be any waiting even without this fix

imagine waiting 6-7s to use next shield slam just to get little more from TR

[urban portal]

It would’ve felt really bad

This fix is good

Worst case scenario would be having to find the least prio target to ss

[cerulean tusk]

Does the consumption double tap into versa/crit btw?

[hardy snow]

crit is currently bugged on this proc, but vers indeed gets more value as it increase base dmg of dot that is taken to calculate tier proc

but im not sure if there double vers occurs

where it would first increase base dot, and then proc itself

[cerulean tusk]

Does it double tap tho, aka: dot gets buffed, then when consumed it gets versa valued again

[urban portal]

Usually it doesn’t

But we don’t know the spaghetti code

[cerulean tusk]

fair

[ashen coral]

Yeah benefices to tap SS overcame waiting but there was still the possibility to wait at least the end of the buff (5 s) before to reuse ss

[hardy snow]

You would never want to wait that long with using SS to just get little more from TR on one target

[ashen coral]

You may (or should) be right but there may have been some situation when the choice would be questionnable I guess

[hardy snow]

the situation to make such choice would require tons and tons of TR dmg that would be lost

and that would be impossible as it would mean that TR is too op cooldown

[ashen coral]

Like if you are in single target, the buff has 1 sec remaining, wait one gcd for ss could be ok

[hardy snow]

but why waiting? for 6-7k dmg saved on TR?

faster you use SS, faster you get it back via resets

or via CD if unlucky af

ruining rotation and its flow thus generating less rage just to save such small dmg isnt good idea

[jagged pier]

No it doesnt

Crit works fine now with it

Vers doesnt double dip

[hardy snow]

oh they fix crit? good to know, thanks

[jagged pier]

Literally in the pins

Top pin

We do update them when stuff changes

[hardy snow]

ah right, I was only reading Blizz bluepost about fix to TR consume

[tired crystal]

Is there any current "Damage" talent build for Prot War?

I have Defensive and Damage builds, but unsure whether im using the correct damage stuff

[modern brook]

a purely offense-oriented talent build would sacrifice way more survivability than anyone can like actually recommend. the default builds are generally built to do as much damage as possible while still actively tanking real content

[tired crystal]

Im using this for dmg at
BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSikkg0SKJJpVQEIUEElkEggkE0QSCQ4AhAAAAAAAARAAKtGAIA

[shy flare]

Pwar have a cap of haste or vers?

[modern brook]

this looks ethical

[jagged pier]

it is the same

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto

[urban portal]

Vers caps at 100%

[tired crystal]

This is my defensive
BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIIBAAAASSikkgUSKJSKNEBSBhElkEgIIJ0QSCQQIAAAAAAAQEAgSrFAIA

But thanks for the feedback

[jagged pier]

why would u run show of force and siesmis reverb on ST ?

[barren basalt]

Do we have any sims on 10.2 tier after changes yesterday? how much % dmg?

[uneven mason]

[modern brook]

defends aegis doesnt give more SW's

[uneven mason]

Because revenge isn't 360

[jagged pier]

i really recommend u just look at the builds in the pins

youll do more damage

and be more defensive

with 1 build

[tired crystal]

Cool, okay thankyuo

[jagged pier]

#protection message this one cause its this season

and for raid i wouls swap one point of overwhelming rage for insipring presence

but thats a preference thing

and doesnt effect dps at all

[sick sentinel]

Or just position better I guess

[tired crystal]

Using the Raid MT and Raid ST builds now from pins - Thankyou!

[sick sentinel]

when i was watching asmongold stream just now, 1 mention of doom, entire chat starts puts it in chat 🙂

[uneven mason]

Why you bringing that trash in here

[sick sentinel]

"doom is niche and a bad old game from 1993 that only about 5 milion ppl total ever enjoyed world wide Kappa"

[uneven mason]

Bruh

We get it, you like doom

[sick sentinel]

not just me

look at my image, clearly im not alone

[uneven mason]

I like doom too, but I don't ask my hookers to dress as the Doom Slayer and scream rip and tear while giving me my rimming

[waxen frigate]

I do

[sick sentinel]

yeah i do

wtf is wrong with you guys

you don't ask your hookers to dress up as doom slayer? pfffffttt

[uneven mason]

Costume is too expensive

[waxen frigate]

Ask them to provide it

[lusty grotto]

WHO HAS SUMMONED ME

o

i see it was you Bull, good shit

[sick sentinel]

"babe can you wear doom costume for me bring your own" them:

how i imagine this going

[modern brook]

Lmao

[modern brook]

I didnt wanna remember the number cause stat caps are cringe

[lusty grotto]

corruptions intensify

[inland raft]

Any raid trinkets like beacon next tier? Finally got one and im hooked

[uneven mason]

Probably not, going to be hell of a withdrawal

[potent anvil]

I dont have one

[uneven mason]

I'm using Dargrul and grapnel on the war

Bear has the bacon

[waxen frigate]

Spoiler alert there’s definitely fights where you’ll still use beacon

🙂

[median tulip]

Dargrul's trinket doesn't exist

[uneven mason]

I had to get mine from a fellow skyholder

After I killed them by pointing the cone into the party

Can't remember who that was... maybe @modern brook

[lusty tiger]

Sometimes sacrifices must be made

[median tulip]

I would cheerfully sacrifice any one of you for it 😁

[lusty tiger]

[modern brook]

prolly not ive only played with Nimchip and GILFord

[strong forum]

2nd spoiler alert

The signet with the fire starter effect is insane

[wind oak]

i'm gonna have nightmare now for sure

[strong forum]

It massively shits in anvil and beacon alike

[lusty tiger]

IN!

[strong forum]

I ain't correcting that.

[last mason]

how heavy are the new dungeons on affecting prots biggest weaknesses

[strong forum]

Atal kinda poopy but poison dispel takes care of it

DHT, BRH, WCM are lmao tier

[last mason]

rezan bleed yikes i forgot about that

[strong forum]

im not even talking about rezan

rezan will be fine

cuz we are alot stronger than in BFA

ALOT stronger

im talking about the hulks and the rogues applying hard hitting poison and bleed

[sick sentinel]

one key thing about rezan, is, we dont have anti fear button in our normal build

[strong forum]

doesnt matter you just play like everyone else

pillar hug

you could only avoid every 2nd fear against rezan anyway in BFA

[mystic warren]

Which one is that

[sick sentinel]

meh, i always just normally let the first one happen and beserk it

[strong forum]

its called signet something something

its the stacking firebuff thingy

[last mason]

how about the megadungeon

[strong forum]

at 15 stacks it goes

[strong forum]

requires insanity nerfs for everyone

[mystic warren]

That's not the one that's based off your crits right?

[strong forum]

cant talk about anything cuz the dungeon is just 3x harder than anything

[strong forum]

no

[mystic warren]

Cuz that's already slapping really hard sometimes

[strong forum]

eh the crit one is bugged

it supposedly does only half of what it should

[sick sentinel]

BDK can go to troll boss, and take the green goop undead minion, mc it all dungeon

[strong forum]

the firestarter one is anvil 2.0

[sick sentinel]

makes that dungeon way easier

[strong forum]

you lose stacks when out of combat

but if you can keep the 15 stack going

the trinket goes sicko mode

And that one is apparently also bugged, not doing it's single target proc the way it should

So it's even better than it already is

[toxic tiger]

what embellishments we using?

[strong forum]

The new absorb helmet is apparently OP

So I guess shadowflame + helmet

[waxen frigate]

Isn’t it an enchant

Or does it count as an embellishment

[fallow nova]

I just got done healing an m+ group with a prot war that had more whirlwind casts than ss.

[lusty grotto]

woudnt be surprised

[fallow nova]

Last I checked, prot war doesn't even put ww on their bars?

[lusty grotto]

there are still idiots that go into shockwave talents

and/or BSV

[fallow nova]

I couldn't figure out why they seemed so fragile - or why I did the same dps as them as healer - until I saw what they were actually doing

[blissful iris]

whirlwind meta

[lusty grotto]

must be a fotm bear swipe spammer

[glass iron]

do we still hardly ever go in dstance is or it good now it doesn't reduce our dmg as much?

[lusty grotto]

aka a shitter

[blissful iris]

use it as a defensive yep

getting rekt .. go dstance

[fallow nova]

Over 20% of their dmg was forgestorm and rend lol

[jagged pier]

whirlwind is 360 degree

revenge isnt

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[strong forum]

What a legend

[fallow nova]

Revenge was... 2% of their dmg with 17 casts to ww's 196

[strong forum]

Forgestorm OP or

[jagged pier]

as I said WW 360 degrees

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20866919

[lusty grotto]

i stand by this one

[fallow nova]

See, tanks like this are what make me keep my prot war at least somewhat geared lol

[strong forum]

I healed a few 17s

[fallow nova]

Disc is a ton of fun, btw

[grand veldt]

Does blood surge lose some value from the tier set next patch?

[strong forum]

And not a single of the tanks I played with I would say actually played well

[fallow nova]

Couldn't stand heading any time I tried years ago. This is much more fun

[strong forum]

No

[fallow nova]

I've had a fair few smooth tanks, but boy oh boy is DK a mixed bag

[strong forum]

You consume the bleed on 1 target and reapply it 1 second later

[fallow nova]

You never know if they're the kind of dk that you basically wont have to think about, or the kind that doesn't realize they can heal themselves

[lusty grotto]

ok which streamer talked

[strong forum]

I had a UE bdk in FH today, he died instantly on first pack without pressing a single deathstrike

[lusty grotto]

cause theres like

[knotty vortex]

is there any go to trinkets next tier? or something we should shoot to get. seems like that 1hander from last boss will be the weapon to use

[lusty grotto]

20k new people talking in here

[jagged pier]

dorki

[lusty grotto]

fuck

welcome fotm bears

hope you arent swipe spammers

[jagged pier]

i mean they will be bdks in like a few weeks

its fine

[fallow nova]

These are the kind of players that made me stop playing for like a month after pugging my way to ksm on paladin 1st season

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[fallow nova]

At least on paladin I can double as a healer. War I cannot, and on disc I can't force tanks to actually press tank buttons

[strong forum]

Vdh is looking mad good in m+ ngl

Their ST is still atrocious

[jagged pier]

oh changes?

[strong forum]

But they're looking...

[grand veldt]

ok, if you have to pick between blood surge and battering ram, which is more value?

[strong forum]

Immortal

[jagged pier]

dont look at VDH because

[strong forum]

They can get 97% parry

[lusty grotto]

batter up

[strong forum]

🙂

[jagged pier]

batering ram every time

[grand veldt]

ok ty

[strong forum]

A vdh will have 85% parry 60%+ of the time

[grand veldt]

this decisions been driving me fucking nuts

[strong forum]

So like

[lusty grotto]

just remember not to spam swipe

🙂

[jagged pier]

oh so ppl gunna equate the immortallity to VDH not parry

[strong forum]

Yup

[jagged pier]

and then complain when they get meleed

cool

[strong forum]

Im calling it

They'll say vdh feels immortal cuz of rework

And not attribute it to infinite parry

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

ngl

[strong forum]

But to vdh itself

[lusty grotto]

but i like that

[strong forum]

Yeah like

It's fine

[lusty grotto]

its entertaining

[strong forum]

But parry is the culprit

[jagged pier]

maybe i should lvl one i used to like doing the odd key ad vdh

[strong forum]

And not whatever they will come up with

[lusty grotto]

i should dust off Zuania

also

i think shes 61

[strong forum]

I dusted off my old main from wrath

TW very attractive to level up chars

[lusty grotto]

i cant fucking play BDKs, i hate it

i hate the playstyle so fucking much

[strong forum]

12 keys 1 hc raid and 1 mega dungeon and I'm ready for mythic raid

It's that easy

Dummy easy

[jagged pier]

imma just waiting for u to loose interest in like 2 weeks like with evoker

[lusty grotto]

😮

adhd can be a bitch

😎

[jagged pier]

maybe one day ill do keys with nome again 😦

[strong forum]

Ye I said it 3 days ago already

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

All of this just to drop it insta again

xdd

But im infinitely better on rsham than prevoker

Still bad

But better

[jagged pier]

happens to me on all my alts

pick them up do like 2 m+

yer im done

xd

[lusty grotto]

i wish i could do that

everytime i say "ok im just gonna do this", i just keep going if i like the gameplay

[jagged pier]

never even got to the play bit

XD

[lusty grotto]

like my bear

[jagged pier]

i like the game play but i just dont like pugging

and i dont want to farm crests on alts

like i giga cba

[lusty grotto]

bear got to 70 last week, already tired of it

but augie

fuck im kinda hooked

just press 4 keys and watch netflix? im in

[jagged pier]

still lvl 60 and still in the crap gear it did the mage tower in before it got nerfed

that was a fun few days in dreamgrove

[lusty grotto]

white bear forms are the best

[strong forum]

It was alot of popcorn

[lusty grotto]

polar werebears

[jagged pier]

i have all but the rbg one

[lusty grotto]

nimchippy is also a polar werebear

[jagged pier]

because rbgs

[waxen frigate]

Thinking about renaming my warrior to Bleedsupport and winning BTM

[lusty grotto]

but the bear gameplay is just like a dumb version of prot

[jagged pier]

some of the most fun ive had on discord that was

the salt was unreal

[lusty grotto]

so its fucking boring to me

[jagged pier]

deswind is winning

[strong forum]

Don't let your memes be dreams

[jagged pier]

and he needs the game time

[lusty grotto]

just rename to Deswindimcomingforu

[waxen frigate]

I’ll donate the game time idgaf I just want to gaslight more people into thinking bleed support is real

[strong forum]

Just like the one piece

[jagged pier]

man that was so good

[waxen frigate]

Imma just see how brew feels upwards of 25s with no Aug

On bolstering

Bc warrior is definitely tankier

[strong forum]

Goodnight sweet prince

[jagged pier]

monka

[waxen frigate]

But idk if I’ll need it