protection

[pallid quiver]

well

anvil acquired

[tender cove]

But you have a dedicated "stream" card or whatever they're called right?

[strong forum]

No

A capture card does nothing for you if you're on a single pc setup

[tender cove]

Yeh, i noticed a bit when i tried after buying the beast comp and for short short, random times I could even notice it on that. So no suprise this laptop is struggling.

Its 3060 6gb only 😦

[strong forum]

Oh yeah laptop streaming is tough

And gpu encoding is also tough

CPU encoding is usually better

[thorny stone]

I usually use: 1664x936 @50fps
with 3200-4100 bitrate

[strong forum]

Why such a low bitrate

[tender cove]

mmm, got a ryzen7 smt smt, not even sure. I just bought this as the mid range option that I knew would be fast enough that I wouldnt hate myself but not expensive that I would cry for weeks if I lost it.

I should have gone for the crying laptop xD

[strong forum]

Just go Max with 6k bitrate

[strong forum]

Laptop is still laptop

They just are weaker

No matter how you put it

You might need to fiddle more with settings

Just try out what works for you, but yeah don't open twitch stream manager when you're live

[potent anvil]

[pallid quiver]

"19"

[potent anvil]

Sometimes you just win

[urban portal]

That better be mythic

[potent anvil]

heroic

My warrior is a rat

No way it gets into mythic for free

[urban portal]

You can sneak in with the guild

[pallid quiver]

It'd be super funny if it was the same Heroic pug I left earlier after I got anvil

[urban portal]

It’s already 443

[potent anvil]

I'm retired from mythic raiding. I have no guild

[jagged pier]

That is the best way apprently

[urban portal]

I wonder if you can push top keys without mythic gear

Especially if your class likes last 3 mythic gear

[jagged pier]

With cata and vault yes u can as u get mythic gear

U just miss trinkets

[potent anvil]

I know a few players who don't mythic raid and get title. It's possible, just slower when it comes to getting bis gear/trinkets.

With catalyst week 1, I feel like it's kinda chill. Save omni/aotc token till week 3 and you'll most likely have 4p with minimal effort.

[urban portal]

Like sl s2 for example

Can fury even play top level m+ without double jaithys ows

[potent anvil]

Is class trinket good for prot?

I go sim

[jagged pier]

In aoe yer

Thinks it 2ppm so its up a lot

[potent anvil]

[warm plinth]

Yeah 6k bitrate is high enough for 4k I believe, and I'm guessing you didn't get a 4k monitor

[blazing condor]

Was there any good raid trinkets in next raid?

Fyrakk one seems pretty fine

[jagged pier]

Havent looked

Cause i cba

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

only one ive seen

[jagged pier]

Eh it was okay on ptr

From memory

We got gleeming eye back from atal

[blazing condor]

pog haste

i mean its a good stat stick

[torn gulch]

I suspect next season with the expanded mythic track you can skip raid completely and play m+ to the highest level

gearing will be a tad slower but real pushing is done in the second part of the season anyway after nerfs and everything

[blazing condor]

also interesting

[torn gulch]

this and gleeming eye

fast boys

hasted boys

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah I forgot we get rezan's back

yuge

Though with how strong damage trinkets have been this expansion so far, I don't know that it will outpace the alternatives

[jagged pier]

I mean its a bad ows i think its 1 ppm

Cant remebr for sure tho

[blazing condor]

ows was dope

[jagged pier]

Scars was dope

Not ows

[urban portal]

Scar was a beast after buffs

Ows was not dope after nerfs

[blazing condor]

which one was scar again

oh jailer trink

[urban portal]

The active that does nasty things to yourself for stats

[hardy snow]

Jailer's kiss-curse

[blazing condor]

didnt play sepulcher

[hardy snow]

I wonder how much they'll nerf it

or is it already nerfed on ptr?

[blazing condor]

pocket bloodlust

[jagged pier]

Rating tho

[blazing condor]

DR

[jagged pier]

If u at 7100 u only get 80% of that 3000

And around 25% uptime

[urban portal]

is 3k like 10%?

or like 15%

[hardy snow]

btw. will be Quel'zaram weapon to go in next season due to scourgebane? I know its not better now due to lower ilvl, but how it looks with same ilvls?

[urban portal]

can you link the weapon

[chilly brook]

Exactly how many dungeons have undead mobs next season?

Like 2?

Or is it just AD?

I can’t remember if waycrest stuff is undead or not

[hardy snow]

oh, it works only againt undead? nvm then 😛

[chilly brook]

Yeah it’s just against undead

[jagged pier]

Its scourgebane

[chilly brook]

Scourgebane

[jagged pier]

What did u think it worked against?

[hardy snow]

I didnt think at all

[jagged pier]

A true warrior

[blazing condor]

idk if s3 is gonna be or

on one hand i like the dgs but

[opaque quest]

I need dungeon trinkets to be viable in S3 for most speccs otherwise im not gonna resub

[pallid quiver]

I'll probably play during S3 since most of the dungeons are aesthetically pleasing to me

[opaque quest]

beacon essence anvil being mandatory for everyone just pissed me off with my luck

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't hold your breath. Dungeon trinkets next season are likely to be very mediocre.

[jagged pier]

No trinkets are mandatory

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure what they're gonna do with the Throne and Everbloom trinkets, but pretty much every dungeon trinket next season is a stat trinket of some kind.

[opaque quest]

Good. Stat > dmg for dps

Gonna play my UH again next season

[warm plinth]

If that's the case, why are anvil and beacon bis 🤔

[opaque quest]

Because im playing prot THIS season

Oh

With again i meant like the last 15 years

[urban portal]

Stats are generally better for dps and damage is generally better for tanks

Outside of exceptions

And also aoe

[opaque quest]

Unless youre outlaw/sub

Cause vers go brr

https://www.wowhead.com/news/special-effect-raid-weapons-and-trinkets-in-amirdrassil-334906 The problem i am seeing already is that most trinkets are multispecc and stat again

Gonna be the same as essence and icon

[urban portal]

Time to throw hands irl for it

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-squarepants-fight-me-fite-me-trending-toons-gif-17721596

[pallid quiver]

We're fighting over gear? Daggers out, knife fight time

[ionic fern]

Stop being stupid.

Dagger and Knife are not the same.

[pallid quiver]

According to the law where I live, they are, in fact, knives, which makes them illegal

on a pure reading of the law, even, it is technically illegal to transport kitchen knives to your home

[opaque quest]

Imagine being an adult and not having learned how to teleport knives yet

[urban portal]

Imagine not having recreational grenades

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p4RuGpUNus

i have all the grenades i want in this game

this game is wicked, but its busting my balls

[grand veldt]

I remember someone saying I call shit out too much in my pugs

Here's what pugging looks like today, 23 FH, I asked them to bait

[jaunty jacinth]

Guys do i need to talent Spell block for NL's first pack bleeds or is it manageable?

[pallid quiver]

Well

I don't know what comes in NL

But a default is Spell Block doesn't work on any dots

[jaunty jacinth]

some one told me it works

well then default kit should be enough for a mega pull ?

[grim pilot]

spell block is for initial hit

[maiden nimbus]

Spell block stops blocks the initial damage of piercing shards, but the bleed damage is still applied like normal I think

[jaunty jacinth]

Well Last stand should suffice then

last time i died 3 times for this, maybe it was the healer

[grim pilot]

assuming you're not playing semi-high keys you should be fine without spell block

[jaunty jacinth]

nah it's +20

[grim pilot]

just remember to mitigate the dot and to keep shield block uptime

[jaunty jacinth]

I'm new to prot

tryin it out

[grim pilot]

piercing shards itself is hard on prot war but what's even harder is piercing shards + melee

[jaunty jacinth]

True true

i did it

with sweats

[lime urchin]

Why does it say -AGGRO- in the middle of your screen?

[gloomy vortex]

I am up to 23 NL and I avoid first Hulk, only do two hulks in the dungeon and time it fine

So my suggestion, avoid first hulk

[royal lodge]

I'll probably avoid the first hulk this week. Last week, I was pulling it. Tyrannical/Fortified makes a significant difference.

[jaunty jacinth]

Well it's worth doing it for the skip route, i never have problems doing it on my dk. but the bleeds hurt on prot, gotta rely on the healer

[hazy bronze]

my favorite is when you get hit right when the mob has 5% HP 🙂

[jaunty jacinth]

after we killed the pack i noticed i didn't have any stances on

[jagged pier]

It is xperl

Or dbm

Cant remeber

[blazing condor]

im probably just hungry and dumb

but how does the calculations work

[vital oak]

the crit chance you get from gear gives you the exact same parry chance.

[blazing condor]

but there's a 3% diff

[vital oak]

crit not from gear is in that.

[blazing condor]

thats what i assume

oh

i just saw

yeah

nvm

it says "from gear"

[sick sentinel]

yeah, would be nice if wow had "advanced" and "simple" tool tips again

and like, reminders, so abilities that apply a curse or disease have a tiny icon/description,
DK does it a bit but its still confusing

DK dps at least has too much you do X it improves your Y which casting your Y increases your Z and Z increases x

i can't do that shit, my brain doesn't work like that implodes

BDK is walk up to the enemy, spend runes to get runic power, dump runic power into deathstrike, repeat. I can do that,

[sudden sable]

Are you in battle stance? 🤣

[modern brook]

It's 100% crit rating gives 100%parry rating

The value of parry raring per % is dif from that of crit

Or bstance

Def b stance actually

[blazing condor]

yeah its bstance

didnt see it was just from gear

[modern brook]

Dog who didn't see

[blazing condor]

[oblique garnet]

Why you blind?

[blazing condor]

eyes arent real

[oblique garnet]

Youre supposed to be my guide dog smh

[blazing condor]

i use my nose

[modern brook]

A Dog who nose

[blazing condor]

🐽

[last mason]

torn between this spec and blood for next patch

both seem cool and have good sets

[jagged pier]

Blood with be meta

So if u care at all about that go blood

[last mason]

why do u think that

[jagged pier]

Because its tier set is better

Does more damage

And gets a leggo wep

👍

And ams is broken for every mechanic in the game

Oh and it doesnt need to care for bleeds as much as warrior

[last mason]

are there a lot of bleeds in the new dungeons

[waxen frigate]

But DK needs a raid buff

[jagged pier]

It has amz

[waxen frigate]

Nobody will ever bring them

[jagged pier]

Its fine

[waxen frigate]

AMZ got gutted!!1!1!

What are grips I’ve never heard of them!!1!

[jagged pier]

So did rally

I mean its more the fact they dont care about most mechanics cause ams

Like outside phase on sarc they can just afk in the big circle and ams just stops the damage and stops the debuff even applying

And there like ass cheeks squeezed together wondering if imma live

Cause i have nothing

[blazing condor]

if u wanna see outburst usage on logs do you just press the source aura for it?

and read casts

[jagged pier]

U click the little icon in dd

And it will show u the casts etc of when u had the huff

Buff*

[waxen frigate]

Doing outside as warr sounds so brutal

I do it as monk and it’s pretty chill now that I’ve learned it

[jagged pier]

The first one is fine

The second one

Is umm

Squeeky bum time

[grave wedge]

Personal opinions on those changes?

To tier

[jagged pier]

Good for defence good for aoe

Terrible for st

[south zealot]

can go in battle stance for bosses

[south zealot]

you dont need it until super high keys but if u want, use it on the first initial hit of the hulks frontal

you shouldnt get too used to skipping first hulk since in high keys its too efficient to skip

[waxen frigate]

I’ve never done the second one. I didn’t prog the boss and the guild I’m in now has enough Dps to skip it

[blazing condor]

and whats the rationale on outburst usage nowdays? i can imagine a SS after LS will always be better than TC no matter numbers of enemies

but otherwise?

whats the cutoff

[grand veldt]

no thanks im good

[south zealot]

..

uh ok lol

kinda weird to complain about pugs when you refuse to play optimally yourself but you do you

[grand veldt]

if we dont time the key because of my 5% damage then i think the group has bigger problems

optimally

im asking them to do bare minimum

not be optimal

[south zealot]

asking a melee to bait is not the bare minimum

[grand veldt]

no

[south zealot]

thats asking them to be optimal

[grand veldt]

i asked the hunter

and the mage

thats why the video is absurd

i told the rogue to move

because the range were not baiting

and baited my self

so he doesnt die to a 1 shot

[strong forum]

7 for TC

and SS after LS is by infinite amounts better in all cases

[lusty karma]

Really wish this didn't bury the issue with TR way down the post/not even mention it in the opening summary...
https://www.wowhead.com/news/protection-warrior-season-3-tier-set-bonus-revisited-guide-writer-feedback-335312

[strong forum]

It's mentioned here in the pins so is OK

[blazing condor]

Thank

[long bone]

With the Season 3 tier set, are we, in a Mythic+ context, supposed to get all our bleeds on a pack of mobs and then tab-target Shield Slam?

[jagged pier]

No

[strong forum]

No

[south zealot]

its kinda absurd youre in dstance on a completely free boss while flaming other players

but yeah

you do you buddy

[warm plinth]

I mean, we had a conversation last night about why he dropped Enduring Defenses for Disrupting Shout instead of Show of Force, so you're probably not gonna convince him.

[strong forum]

The only thing you can get from tab targeting SS is 2% extra DR during the 10sec window of TR

So like...

Fuckall

The buff lasts 5 seconds

[jagged pier]

And u loose that extra tr damage

[strong forum]

Yeah

It's just bad

[south zealot]

???

that’s insane

[jagged pier]

Remove TR from tier set

And increase our base damage

[jagged pier]

He also casts more thunderclaps than ss's over a keybut they didnt talk about that

[warm plinth]

Jakey's just jealous because this guy obviously knows more about prot warrior than all of us.

[south zealot]

eh idc i need to stop getting mad about ppl on discord

genuinely impacting my gameplay

[strong forum]

Pick your battles

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can't fight willful ignorance

No point wasting the effort

[strong forum]

Im tryna be alot less aggressive about talent choices

[blazing condor]

shockwave build baybee

[south zealot]

some ppl just refuse to be correct and i need to accept that

[strong forum]

Like say Spellblock, cuz it's just needless to go hard about 1 fucking talent point

[south zealot]

it is what it is

[daring marlin]

MF you PLAY LEAGUE

YOU SHOULD BE CONDITIONED BY NOW

[south zealot]

not anymore

[daring marlin]

SHEEEEESH

[strong forum]

The things I've seen during timewalking

[south zealot]

havent played ina. while

[daring marlin]

but you did at one point

mister

You've seen some shit

[warm plinth]

Every time friends do keys without me there and they have a prot warrior, they send me the log immediately afterward so I can investigate

[daring marlin]

As all current and former league players have!

[strong forum]

Tank doing less than healer dps, not pressing SB, not grabbing aggro from packs that have been ninjad, dying cuz of no SB up, pressing WW over any other button

Truly jarring

[warm plinth]

Seen some pretty crazy shit

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

Literally rushing ahead of the group without picking up aggro

[blazing condor]

based

[strong forum]

Like, I've tanked more on my enha than tanks did

[hollow token]

S3 tier set - appearance question - for anyone on the PTR, do the bottom of the sleeves on the chest piece really flare out like that over the hands as shown on Wowhead?

[strong forum]

No

[south zealot]

they removed the sleeves i think

[hollow token]

oh thank god. okay

[jagged pier]

Never im still waiting for that guy at the start of the expansion to explain why u need 25% vers to do a 20 and to link a log of the haste legs being 5 stacks all the time as he claimed

[strong forum]

The sleeves exist, but get replaced by the gloves

[warm plinth]

That's a huge pet peeve of mine in pugs. The tanks who literally do not touch a mob as they run past it and then get mad when someone peels.

[south zealot]

oh ok

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

"need 30% vers to live 18s"

[blazing condor]

its fun being petty in dungeons

[strong forum]

Famous quote from SL

[warm plinth]

[blazing condor]

i member

"all the top warriors stack vers tho"

[south zealot]

i love the competitvewow reddit posts about keys under 20

[blazing condor]

in comes nerftank with a 213 ilvl pwarr doing 25s

[daring marlin]

Only exception I had for that was plant pull in AA.

[jagged pier]

I member i waa running like 7% at the time

[daring marlin]

If you start before plants are gathered fuck you and die tbh

[jagged pier]

U mean andy

Not nerf

[blazing condor]

nerf did it too

in like s1/s2

had like 7% vers

[south zealot]

lol in a halls of infusion i didnt notice the tank had zero agro on the first pack

[strong forum]

Andy also tanked mythic sark with 429 ilvl yesterday

[south zealot]

not even a thrash or swipe

[strong forum]

But smth smth pwar bad/worst tank

[jagged pier]

Nerf couldnt keep banner up or the bdk stacks his healer must have had a bad time

[south zealot]

that was great

[daring marlin]

choco went to sleep

[blazing condor]

but this was early on

[south zealot]

andy is just too good, plays worst tank to high effectiveness

gg

[jagged pier]

I mean if he didnt need to be outside tank then ez

[blazing condor]

best way to troll comp wow tryhards is to ask questions like "hi any tips for high level m+? (~17s)"

[jagged pier]

If outside still hard but do able

[south zealot]

weym bdk staxks

rune weapon?

[jagged pier]

That is high for a majority of players

[blazing condor]

yeah but ppl will be like "wtf thats not high!!!!!!"

[strong forum]

Comp wow is about anything but actual competetive wow

[jagged pier]

No s3/4 stacks what they kept up i cant memeber dont play bdk

[south zealot]

i mean calling compwow players tryhards is the least insulting thing ever

thats the entire point of the subreddit

[strong forum]

Reddit is literally only a popularity contest

[south zealot]

though theres only 1 useful post every 100 so its not too competitve

[strong forum]

Say anything that isn't the common popular idea and you get barraged/brigaded

Even when you're correct

[south zealot]

thats how she gors

goes

[strong forum]

Is funny when literal R1 players on reddit get hit with "nu-uh that's not how it works"

[south zealot]

need a wow reddit reform

[lusty grotto]

i found an actual redditor on saturday

i was playing evokechip

and got invited to a FH

no, a BH

and this guy said "groan" and kept complaing about augmentation evokers

used drums when i was about to lust

[strong forum]

Powerful

[lusty grotto]

blamed me for not using it before on tyrannical week

kept fucking bitching about aug evokers through out the run

[south zealot]

take your damage back with this simple trick:
/cancelaura Ebon Might
/cancelaura Prescience
/cancelaura Shifting Sands

[lusty grotto]

i was so confused

[daring marlin]

NIMCHIP

XIV PATCH TODAY?

[lusty grotto]

it was a MW Monk

ya im playing

in queue for alliance raid atm

[daring marlin]

k good

I'm resubbing after the gym

I have a lot to do lmao

[lusty grotto]

no raid for me today, i gotta spam hunt trains for augment mats

also gotta do the new extreme cause the weapon is better than what i have lul

[daring marlin]

Well I haven't played since uh

[lusty grotto]

i fucking hate extreme learning parties lol

[daring marlin]

Second raid so

[lusty grotto]

oof

[daring marlin]

Yeah cuz they fucking suck

always

[lusty grotto]

ima just heal it

and then ill be like fuck i can probably outdps these people

and swap to SAM

and then ill be like fuck, these healers suck

and swap back to WHM or SGE

rinse repeat

ez augment coin, i hope

[daring marlin]

chadchip

I gotta unlock and do the second 24man lmao

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

this first fight is dope

[left basalt]

Any vault porn today?

Stuck at work I can’t open mine

[lusty tiger]

Whitemage is just a priest!

[lusty grotto]

well

easier priest

but yea

[lusty tiger]

[toxic pewter]

Are you guys planning to play season 3

[daring marlin]

no

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[strong forum]

Not alot

[toxic pewter]

My sub about to run out..

[lusty grotto]

im playing wow still

[toxic pewter]

Feel like the state of the game doesn’t warrant a sub right now

[strong forum]

S3 doesn't look all that exciting imo

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I’m not that excited unfortunately

[strong forum]

Ptr always the most exciting cuz new talents to figure out and rotational play

But after that it's just autopiloting

[lusty grotto]

😮

[toxic pewter]

Wat that

Is ff14 free to play

I’ve never tried it

[lusty grotto]

you can play up to th 2nd expansion for free

[daring marlin]

Up to stormblood is I believe

[toxic pewter]

Dang really

[daring marlin]

Which is level 70

[toxic pewter]

Interesting..

[daring marlin]

There's uh

A lot of content lol

[toxic pewter]

Could be interesting to try for once

Sort of bored been playing counter strike 2 lol

[south zealot]

cant wait to do high keys of throne of the tides

[daring marlin]

choco

Love yourself man wtf

[lusty tiger]

Choco needs some love

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

[sweet summit]

[lusty tiger]

[daring marlin]

holy moly

[potent anvil]

What pots do I use in m+? Str pots?

[warm plinth]

Yerp

[potent anvil]

We're up there on the leaderboards

[oblique garnet]

Which ones

[strong forum]

btm

[oblique garnet]

Oh thats going on rn?

[strong forum]

ye

since todays NA reset

[oblique garnet]

Neat

[potent anvil]

Might be rough to win, pugging rn is rough

[strong forum]

well its pugging

[potent anvil]

DPS players just hitting mobs as I'm trying to gather

[strong forum]

a classic

[oblique garnet]

Is there some actual prize or is it just fame?

[jagged pier]

i thought btm was a team event?

[potent anvil]

I'm trying to win 60 days of game time

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

btm is on live and is solo registration

[potent anvil]

BTM is individual

[sharp steppe]

Oh no. Apparently there are other good ppl playing

[potent anvil]

Tell them to stop

[sharp steppe]

[strong forum]

i think shaene was meaning you

[sharp steppe]

Ofc I was

[oblique garnet]

Is that the winners prize? I could use that🤔

[sharp steppe]

We playing PPal, Holypriest, SV, Arms and Outlaw

[strong forum]

based

[sharp steppe]

Full premade

[oblique garnet]

Tryhards

Brought a real bl

[sharp steppe]

We not sure if SV or Devastation evoker. He has both with 449ilvl

[oblique garnet]

Impossible to lose then

[sharp steppe]

Devastation pretty good with PI

[sharp steppe]

I mean you know how’s tanking

[oblique garnet]

Who?

[lusty grotto]

yo momma

[oblique garnet]

Or what

[sharp steppe]

Me that’s the issue

[oblique garnet]

Stop trolling so much

Its simple

🙂

[oblique garnet]

But tbf since you already have arms you should play sv it should still blast on aoe with PI

[sharp steppe]

Yeah probably that makes more sense. Arms is good ST this season?

[oblique garnet]

No clue i have done like one key as dps warr

[lusty grotto]

arms is good

[jaunty canopy]

Does anyone have a link to the weak aura that shows who is being casted on in m+ dungeons, for example, in VP, on the vortex casters it would show " Wind bolt -target" on the cast bar of the spell. Or something like that. I havent been able to find it yet the few times I searched for it. Maybe im just blind lol

[lusty grotto]

thats just plater

[jaunty canopy]

oh?

[lusty grotto]

its not a weakaura

that's default plater functionality

[tender nacelle]

sorry for the question just picking up warrior, do we ever use slam or whirlwind?

[lusty grotto]

and if it's not just import a plater profile from whoever

no, but that should be in #268491842637660160

read those and then the pins

[tender nacelle]

oh cool thanks, super new.

[jaunty canopy]

tyvm! @lusty grotto

[mighty valley]

nope! toss those in the garbage

oh nim already responded

it's early ok

[lusty grotto]

good morning harrow

[mighty valley]

good morning

[blazing condor]

👋

[lusty tiger]

Gm

[blazing condor]

m

(not out fishing)

[lusty tiger]

a good day at the office is worse than a bad day fishing

[blazing condor]

amen

[daring marlin]

mf says gm at 2:41pm

hilarious

[lusty tiger]

it is gm somehere

[grand veldt]

Cheek lords up time with enduring defenses vs my uptime without the talent in the same dungeon, his keylevel obviously level 30, but that point remains

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N1XJh4KLjgdTVQc9#fight=2&type=summary&source=4 his logs

my log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CnRtpPkZfNjFAqvz#fight=8&type=auras&source=410

you guys wanna adhere to some monolith on talents despite data, that's finee, i apologize if i'm not going to conform with the commandments of your faiths, just my opinion, but i don't think the talent is worth it.

[jagged pier]

okay cool

uptime mean jack shit

we only care about blocked hits

[grand veldt]

up time is what you get enduring defenses for?

more up time in a dungeon where half the time your in combat

you're not actually in a fight

between idols, poison

and the wall on dagrul

[jagged pier]

i mean he had more blocked hits than u so he stopped more damage than u

[grand veldt]

yeah hes a better player

not because of uptime

[jagged pier]

even tho u cant really compare a 25 and 30

[grand veldt]

hes just better than me

once again

you guys want to justify a talent

and mock me for not taking it

when the only dif here

[jagged pier]

and your casts again are wrong

[grand veldt]

is im not as good as others

thats called a shifting goal post

[jagged pier]

IP is your highest cast again

[grand veldt]

you gonna address my point

[jagged pier]

not really

[grand veldt]

or ignore it

[jagged pier]

the spec plays all together

[grand veldt]

right

thats what i thought

not gonna engage with it

[jagged pier]

ignorance i cba

stop trying to justify shit choices by making bad agruments

[grand veldt]

me being bad at the game doesnt make that talent worth having

[jagged pier]

it does

because it will giove u more blocked hits

so u will take less damage

[grand veldt]

am i drunk

[jagged pier]

so u dont easte more rage on IP

[grand veldt]

how do you get more blocked hits

[jagged pier]

and can spend more on revenge

so u get more SS procs

so u get more rage to use

[grand veldt]

revenge does less damage than thunderclap

by a lot

[jagged pier]

etc etc etc etc

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[grand veldt]

unless your specced into show of force + the other talent

[jagged pier]

its not about damage its about SS and rage generation

and AM rage cyclin

[waxen frigate]

Dumb question does TC not proc SS?

[jagged pier]

it does

[waxen frigate]

Ok thanks

[grand veldt]

i dont understand, are you saying im not generating as much rage, or you're saying i could be spending more of my rage on revenge, therefore it's better damage wise?

[waxen frigate]

Carry on

[strong forum]

Revenge can reset SS, by underusing revenge you miss out on potential SS casts which means less rage generated

By overspending IP you reduce your overall rage generation, therefor do less dmg and are squishier

More rage = more CDs like avatar, SW, outbursts

[grand veldt]

okay, i'll look over the casts on the logs and the rage spent to get a better understanding

[strong forum]

Which in turn means more rage generated again

[grand veldt]

i thought the whole conversation about this has been about my shield block falling off

all about uptime in theory etc

[strong forum]

Well it should never fall off

Never ever

[grand veldt]

it doesnt

well outside of like

leaping from barb

or idols

or after the end of a pull before a new one etc

[strong forum]

When you play without ED you run into a few seconds of downtime on SB every minute or so

That's just a fact

The longer the pull goes on the less SB uptime you'll have and to be caught off guard and killed very easily

It's not worth the risk to gain sof or TL

Wait

You're playing HR and bolster but without ED, but to then get disruptive shout over Sof or TL

That's

A choice

[lusty tiger]

i would literally play with no talents if that's what nome said was the best

[strong forum]

Well, different opinions or approaches are good to have

But not all of em are fruitful

[lusty tiger]

humble boi

[strong forum]

Without people questioning the status quo, how can you make progress ykno

[lusty tiger]

yea ofc

why and what if are important

[waxen frigate]

Yeah how do you think I got to nearly 4K io

[lusty tiger]

support warrior

[waxen frigate]

Bleed support

[blazing condor]

how much do we gain from aug evokers?

[strong forum]

About tree fiddy

[jagged pier]

at least 7

[strong forum]

But on average like 10ish %

[blazing condor]

tryna compare some logs

but hard when they run with aug and i didnt

log looks relatively similar but they still do like 10m more damage

[strong forum]

If yiu hover over the dps done

You'll get a popup

How much dmg the Aug contributed to your dmg

[blazing condor]

does this mean i "actually" did like 7m more damage

[strong forum]

Uh no I think that's the dmg you gave the Aug or some shit

Which is the inverse of what I said before I guess

@broken crater elp

[south zealot]

@grand veldt u play with heavy reprecussions

which is why you have equal uptime

[shy flare]

im trying to look at all here as a new war but i have some questions... U dont need to have "100%" uptime on IP?

[strong forum]

you dont aim for it, no

you use IP as your rage dump to prevent overcapping of rage

which, with ideal play, means you press it really fucking often

[shy flare]

Hm

i was trying to keep 100% on IP and SB

[strong forum]

like on average you press IP every 4 seconds

[shy flare]

And struggling sometimes

[strong forum]

dont focus on keeping up IP

just focus on not overcapping rage whilst still generating as much as you can

[waxen frigate]

Ignore pain is just something that’s there

It’s not like a thing you keep track of

[strong forum]

pwar is all about rage generation

[shy flare]

IP is not a "defensive" ? ""Like consacration""

[strong forum]

it is

[waxen frigate]

One of the first things I learned about pwarr is that IP is basically just a background button

[strong forum]

but you dont aim to keep up IP

itll happen automatically

[waxen frigate]

^

[shy flare]

idkk if compare to consacration is agood thing but is what i have to compare now sry haha

hmmm

[waxen frigate]

It’s closer to shuffle for brewmaster, but a bit more active

[grand veldt]

Yeah I didn't remember to change disruptive out for NL, I normally run disruptive for VP, Halls, Ulda

[waxen frigate]

Since shuffle is fully passive

[strong forum]

IP heals you for 3.5% hp, gives you 1/8th of an outburst, and reduces avatar and SW cd by 3.5 seconds

[waxen frigate]

But in both cases you don’t think actively about the ability

[strong forum]

each time that you use it

[shy flare]

Ok this will help me alot

[grand veldt]

How many IPs are coming from our anger management

[strong forum]

hm?

[grand veldt]

And I feel like a lot of IPs are hitting cap freqeuntly

[strong forum]

that doesnt matter

whatsoever

[grand veldt]

No?

[strong forum]

no

as i just explained, "IP heals you for 3.5% hp, gives you 1/8th of an outburst, and reduces avatar and SW cd by 3.5 seconds"

its not just an absorb you want to "keep up"

[grand veldt]

Wouldnt us hitting cap make the shitty deepwounds heal talent a little more atrractive?

[strong forum]

no, because just as fast as you cap, you also just... dont cap

it takes 3 ignore pains to reach cap

[grand veldt]

Thanks for explaining things a bit more detailed earlier

[strong forum]

when you take a boatload of dmg, you cant cap very easily

[shy flare]

Ty for tips @strong forum @waxen frigate

[untold brook]

Any in here close to 2k in ss as prot? If so what embellishments are you running and did you craft gear or use Vender gear

[strong forum]

do you mean pvp?

if so check out #pvp maybe they know more

cuz i have no clue

[untold brook]

Yea I just figured this channel bc I know there are very very few prot pvprs lol

[strong forum]

yeah

[blazing condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Na8jt4cMqvhQkHX#fight=last&type=summary&source=4

anybody wanna give some more pointers

all i can really see is bad outbursts as well as low blocked%

[tight jackal]

Hey guys

When is the best time to use spell block in fight with Sarkareth?

[jagged pier]

just before u get hit by the tank mechanic

[tight jackal]

So, it will block ticks too?

[jagged pier]

only dot in the game it can block

well mag as well apprently but that dot does no damage

[waxen frigate]

Because reasons

[broken crater]

the total of tha table, not 7m but like 19m

I'd you hover the aug DPS col you see their total given to anyone they buffed

[tight jackal]

Oh, i see, thanks

[broken crater]

if you hover a non aug you'll see how much they got buffed by any

with the caveat that not all abilities reattribute due to either bugs or simply not being intended to reattribute (prescience vs guaranteed crit abilities etc)

[broken crater]

☝️ 👇 👈 👉 glad I could help

[chilly brook]

wdym thematically?

bleeds aren't the majority of our damage

[lusty tiger]

begging for banner to come back

plssssssss

perma 30% movespeed

do you guys remember how nice that was

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-randy-marsh-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-gif-20603949

[waxen frigate]

Yes I think both the bleed and support aspects of prot have been improved in a meaningful way to contribute to the bleed support fantasy

[lusty tiger]

[cerulean tusk]

I want Neltharion's Fury back

[waxen frigate]

I want her back

[cerulean tusk]

🫂

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I haven’t had this human interaction in a while

[lusty tiger]

come over

[pallid quiver]

Well

Wake up late, open vault

it's anvil

[lusty tiger]

gz

[pallid quiver]

i won the roll for anvil last night

[lusty tiger]

not gz

[pallid quiver]

blizz i'll slip you a 50 if you make trinkets not unique equipped

[lusty tiger]

50... mil

[vocal skiff]

Naturally it varies according to dungeon, but what I should aim for overall dps wise at 420 with scuffed gear (no enchants, gems)?

[jaunty canopy]

thats going to have huge swing, all in how big you are pulling and how fast.

[warm plinth]

Yeah not really something we can answer

[vocal skiff]

A better question then: how can I know how much room there is to improve?

[warm plinth]

Log your runs, post them here

[hollow scroll]

Are you dying, what's your shield block uptime, how many times u get whacked in the back

[warm plinth]

We'll let you know

[hollow scroll]

Usually a good measure of how your performing

[blazing condor]

good setup to get 6 cloaks

[lusty tiger]

Why’s this guy have no gems or enchants

[warm plinth]

I know a lot of people who don't gem/enchant low ilevel gear

I'm a try hard so even my evoker's 398 gear is enchanted

[lusty tiger]

The lower the gear, the more powerful the enchants

And gems

[grand veldt]

Is there a sim bot that's like accurate for prot

I wanna see how much damage the double execute talents give, the 35% starting health one and the other one that stacks a buff on you a bunch for each cast

[south zealot]

yeah u can use raidbots

[grand veldt]

ST

[south zealot]

afaik the execute talents literally arent worth it but u can try it

[grand veldt]

Yeah its more just a curiosity

I doubt it's good or relevant

[cerulean tusk]

If you can tank it without the rage spent elsewhere, exe talents work - if you need to push exe dam. Big crits are fun if nothing else

[grand veldt]

It looks more like a raiding talent if anything

I could maybe see the 35% health one but losing the DR and 10% shield slam damage can't be worth it

[cerulean tusk]

If you can tank it, sure why not - as long exephase is where you want to push the dam

Just give it a try, it is decent fun

[grand veldt]

I'll check them out during next tyran week, I'm a giga pussy during fort weeks

[blazing condor]

hesitance is the true killer

[waxen frigate]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[blazing condor]

life is just a cycle between "fuck it we ball -> its over"

[grand veldt]

Based and deep

[blazing condor]

certified garfield moment

[vivid pumice]

does def stance affect trinket dmg?

[blazing condor]

like trinket damage?

[vivid pumice]

yy

[blazing condor]

i'd assume it does

but idrk

[lusty tiger]

Nish gots a nice beard

Lucky boi

Prob smells like canned fish tho

[lucid holly]

First 25 of BTM timed! I wonder how many prot warriors gonna be up there in the ranking this week

[ember token]

Amirdrassil, the Dream’s Hope (4) Set Bonus: Consuming Thunderous Roar now deals 100% of its remaining damage.

🙂

[lusty karma]

Woooooot

Protection

Amirdrassil, the Dream’s Hope (4) Set Bonus: Consuming Thunderous Roar now deals 100% of its remaining damage.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-on-the-patch-10-2-ptr-augmentation-evoker-buff-priority-rework-335323?webhook

[pallid quiver]

Regardless of any balance, that feels so much better

[lusty karma]

Yeeeep

100%

That was my only issue with it so now I'm stoked

Also nerfs to almost all embellishments will be interesting, that paired with being 6 ilvl lower might not feel great

https://www.wowhead.com/news/embellishment-nerfs-on-patch-10-2-ptr-335324?webhook

[strong forum]

big 1k dps gain

funny part is

if that 4pc part is correct

it means when you only have 2pc

you consume TR for 40% until you get 4pc

xdd

[lucid holly]

At least that’ll only be for a few weeks instead of many months 😂

[strong forum]

i think itll apply on 2pc and not 4pc

its just blizz confusing itself

[lusty karma]

small gain but big qol/feels good change imo

[strong forum]

obv good

felt like shit to consume TR for fuckall value

didnt make sense

but didnt really have large impact numbers wise

[toxic pewter]

Do you think we will use uproar all the time

[south zealot]

nice job

[lusty karma]

Looks like you were right @strong forum :
Warrior Protection 10.2 Class Set 2pc Spending Rage has a chance to cause your next Shield Slam to consume your bleeds on a target, instantly dealing 40% of remaining damagethe remaining damage of your Deep Wounds and Rend and 100% of Thunderous Roar's, and reducing your damage taken by 10% for 5 sec.

[grand veldt]

I think dratnos was saying the nerf to these things at current ilvl may seem big but scaled up to the new ilvl they are fine, icr the exact statement but he was saying spore cloak is still amazing now.

[hardy snow]

hmmm but they didn't nerf helm of vengeance 🤔

[knotty venture]

Guess time to test tonight

[strong forum]

still makes it worse

like

the ilvl scaling doesnt matter, cuz.... we also are just higher ilvl

so the relative change is 0

except now it the nerf its straight up 30% less

[grand veldt]

yeah this wasnt my argument

this was the argument i heard

[vivid pumice]

In sarky how do you rotate your defs being the tank taking the 1st 3rd and 5th hits on p2?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WFfqvY2AtzDBM8kx#fight=26
best % I had

[strong forum]

rotate between spellblock and shieldwall?

should be pretty simple

[vivid pumice]

I'm doing no defensives on 1st, since I have lots of rage, and switching to def stance at the end,
on 3rd DEMO at start then wall at end
on 5th spellblock

[hardy snow]

I do spell block on 1st, tons of IP and def stance on 2nd, for 3rd SW+cocoon from my healer

I use spellblock on first so I can have it for first two hits in p3 that im taking

[vivid pumice]

ahh, I'm not doing the 1st hits on p3

dk's job

[hardy snow]

then I guess you can go 1st SW, 3rd spellblock 5th SW again

[vivid pumice]

i feel like the dmg on the 3rd is harder cuse boss runs away, so I use spell block there

[hardy snow]

when you use SW remember to use it for last 8s, so it also covers explosion

[vivid pumice]

nice nice

[hardy snow]

and dont forget def stance when you run out of group

you dont hit anything anyway at that moment

[limpid orbit]

im new to prot warrior so for spell block do u drop bloodsurge or bolster?

[hardy snow]

bloodsurge, bolster is great with current tierset

[vivid pumice]

i think the 30s defensive duration on spell block makes it the best defensive for the 5th one, since it's the most dmg you will reduce

[limpid orbit]

ty

[pallid quiver]

Well, you need to block to spell block, and you need 3 shield block talents to get 100% uptime, so

[hardy snow]

if you are not tank that stays up I think last few seconds are when you are already "downstairs", so you dont get dmg anyway

but Im not sure, as Im the one that stays in my group

[limpid orbit]

so use heavy repercussions instead of into the fray then ?

[pine storm]

As the designated dwarf tank for sark, because "Ohh shit we have a DH/bear" combo normaly: Any opinions for stats when re-crafting gear? There seems to be a inconsistent mix of haste/crit/verse going on on different people and guide sources I've tried to look at 😬

[vivid pumice]

am getting like the last 3 seconds in, but 4-5 seconds without hitting shit

[hardy snow]

then you can pop SW there, it should be back if you use it on 1st buster

but I guess its up to your preference 🙂

[hardy snow]

just as it is in the pins 🙂

[vivid pumice]

looks good

[pine storm]

That's kinda where the confusion came in, since the pin is a year old, and says something different than the wowhead guide prio 😛

But cool, ty

[hardy snow]

for just raiding in terms of defense vers is slightly better than crit (depends which fight), but difference isnt big to be significant, so its better to sim for dps

[pine storm]

Makes sense.

[lavish sphinx]

10.2 tier 4-set now consuming 100% of roar bleed dmg; awesome change that one

[bleak breach]

Got a question

Does the new tier bonus proc fueled by violence? Or am I back to taking brutal vitality?

[strong forum]

No

Is also mention in pins taht it doesn't work

[strong forum]

Is old but up to date

[bleak breach]

Rip me

[strong forum]

[bleak breach]

Back to brutal vitality it is then lol

A few talent variations should be viable, especially for aoe.

There any news on wether we get a replacement talent for inspiring pres?

[strong forum]

Nah just removed

[toxic pewter]

we aint getting nothin new

[lavish sphinx]

To be fair, if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

Bears are not feeling good

[sick sentinel]

how come it is in every video game ever robots are over powered as balls enemies

bunch of tin cans

[lucid dew]

Wait so big prot buff on 4p?

[sullen gust]

Its a nice quality of life change for what would have been a cringe interaction. But yeah it's a nice buff in single target

[ember tangle]

the datamined tier changes look good

[mighty valley]

that's just in the real patch notes so don't need to worry about it being a sketchy datamine

i don't even think of it as a buff since previously the tier set was actively stealing 60% of a damage source

which seems like a clearly undesired interaction

[ember tangle]

i agree, i am just relieved that they also thought it was dumb

[tropic star]

trying to do some maths on mythic echo shadow strike

is it possible it does 2x missing health as bonus dmg?

[lusty grotto]

on what scenario would that be the case?

do you have a log or something?

specifically for the shadow damage part i assume

[potent anvil]

I can't win BTM as prot warr, Plka is playing

[warm plinth]

@patent osprey stop bullying Deswind ty

[lusty grotto]

dont ruin btm for the rest of us plka 😦

[potent anvil]

Still need a Neltharus, but I'm just pugging into them

[lusty grotto]

[atomic shore]

Hello guys, May I ask if the following embellishment is good or not and why Frostfire Legguards of Preparation ??

[lusty grotto]

bad

[atomic shore]

why ?

after emb nerfs might be good ?

[lusty grotto]

perhaps but we're not there yet

its bad currently

[warm plinth]

Doubtful, considering other embellishments were better before shadowflame patch came along

[lusty grotto]

the nerf doesnt mean a lot

[atomic shore]

it's

[lusty grotto]

since our ilvl evens it out

[warm plinth]

Which ones got nerfed anyway

[atomic shore]

shadowflame got nerfs

[lusty grotto]

all of them

[atomic shore]

2 nerfs*

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

[warm plinth]

Oh so they're just making it so they don't scale to silliness then

[lusty grotto]

yup

[atomic shore]

if u have shadowflame on 2 items they do 4%+ of your total damage so the nerf might put the damage down to be 2%+ also extra damage

[lusty grotto]

no

[warm plinth]

Aside from that though, I can see the legs actually being worse since we'll be approaching the 7100 mark w/ 39 more ilevels

Which means the haste would be DRed hard

[lusty grotto]

the nerf is to prevent scaling issues

[atomic shore]

what about [Shadowed Impact Buckler]

is it good as replacment + lariet

[lusty grotto]

no

no

no

[lusty grotto]

read please

neither of these embelishments were even considered BEFORE the buffs to unstable frostfire and so forth

[atomic shore]

I'm just trying to be efficient as I'm yet not have EMB at thje moment

[warm plinth]

I think you're pretty safe still going with shadowflame/frostfire belt

Wait they nerfed fang adornments?

Don't think there was any danger of that one getting crazy lol

[jagged gust]

I swapped to stacking vers this week, gotta say it feels pretty good

[lusty grotto]

🪤

[lusty tiger]

giant impending victories

[potent anvil]

I, too, stacked vers

But I'm gonna get back into pvp anyway

[inland raft]

Join the crit gang

[potent anvil]

I'm normally haste/crit as prot

But I'm retired mythic raider, so I wanna do some pvp

[lusty tiger]

arena so deadge

[potent anvil]

Well I haven't pvp'd in a long while. So just doing casual low rated stuff

[lusty tiger]

just be a m+er i hear they have the biggest C...oordination

[inland raft]

The real secret is stacking mastery

[lusty tiger]

it is crit

crit block

[potent anvil]

[warm plinth]

I have like 50% mastery on my war because fury main

[lusty tiger]

and how does that make you feel

[lusty grotto]

i hope this Frankwarr doesnt show up here

fucking scum

[lusty tiger]

!

why lol

[lusty grotto]

fucking kicked me for no reason out of a dumb alt heroic

[warm plinth]

Oh idk lol. I don't tank high keys anyway. Think the highest I've tanked is 18

[lusty grotto]

im glad i was locked to the 2 bosses i did with them

less fucking loot for their dumbass group

[lusty tiger]

the guy w the eel pfp?

have u ever talked to him in this disc?

[lusty grotto]

no, thats why i said i hope he doesnt show up

[lusty tiger]

LOL

should be fine

[lusty grotto]

he had correct talents so you know hes fucking lurking

[lusty tiger]

well fukem

[pallid quiver]

tell me your secrets of how to get involved in casual flings of pvp

[lusty tiger]

@lusty grotto what did the ff update yesterday add?

[lusty grotto]

a lot of stuff

more story, new dungeon, new extreme trial, new alliance raid

[lusty tiger]

word

[lusty grotto]

tomestone gear upgrades

[lusty tiger]

thats is a lot

[lusty grotto]

well its a lot but for lvl 70 players

[lusty tiger]

yeah that aint me

[lusty grotto]

i could be playing that but

i decided to come run heroic on evokechip

and then ive had nothing but fucking shit group after shit group

[lusty tiger]

srprising for reset day

[lusty grotto]

this is why i do them early

now i gotta find a rashok group

[lusty tiger]

[lusty grotto]

twice my full clear has been ruined

[lusty tiger]

the heroic raid is piss easy yet people still find ways to have brain damage contests

[lusty grotto]

i dont really mind that

i mind getting fucking kicked for no reason at all

[lusty tiger]

well maybe the reason was because he proved he had the most brain damage and won

[lusty grotto]

nah

well i dont particularly think they were tanking badly

fucking illidan man

[lusty tiger]

oof

[lusty grotto]

gutter of a server

[lusty tiger]

u ever bring snacks to eat mid workout?

a lil yummy fig bar treat

[lusty grotto]

lol

i havent worked out since last xmas due to frozen shoulder

still getting that sorted

might go for the surgery ngl

[lusty tiger]

frick

i just sprained mine

[lusty grotto]

youll be fine

im just ancient

[lusty tiger]

have waited about 10 days

yea its ready for the gym again

dam shoulder injury is no joke though ive learned

i dont wanna get old anymore

[lusty grotto]

its not bad if you work out

and do good cardio

[lusty tiger]

what getting old?

older

[lusty grotto]

ya

good diet and working out is all you need and you wont really feel it

[lusty tiger]

ill just stay young instead

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

nah i do all that

[lusty grotto]

👍

[pallid quiver]

you're not doing enough damage/too much damage/not enough healing/pressing too many defensives so you're taking too much damage/not doing mechs, obviously

[lusty tiger]

schrodinger's kick

[pallid quiver]

or your ilvl is simply too low to clear Heroic; gotta be at least 446 from Rashok and beyond

my favorite has probably been when I got kicked as a healer recently for not healing enough, so like a quarter of the raid left since I was doing it with a bunch of friends

[lusty grotto]

well im parsing blue so i am

on a 432 evoker

i just figure they wanted a rashok lockout

or something

for healer trinket and/or polearm idk

now that ive calmed down cause ive wasted too long on these reclears

i noticed someone rage pulled rashok as they kicked me