protection

[waxen frigate]

But it’s not that bstance is high value

[strong forum]

because its one of the few skill expressions you can have

[waxen frigate]

It’s that dstance is low value if you don’t need it

[strong forum]

^

its like playing a tank trinket

[waxen frigate]

Like why would you do less damage if you don’t need to

[strong forum]

when you dont need to

[waxen frigate]

Obviously survival is #1

[tender cove]

10-15%, yeh, thats insane but 5% dps vs 20% DR. Thats has to be the most generous trade off all the tanks?

[waxen frigate]

Dstance just usually isn’t necessary

[strong forum]

again

whats the point of surviving even harder

[waxen frigate]

^

[strong forum]

its not 5% vs 20%

its useful vs useless or less useful

[waxen frigate]

And as a tank with the way the game currently works, a healer will generally lose less if they have to heal you slightly more than you would lose in order to not get healed

tanks can contribute a shitload of damage in raid and keys

[tender cove]

That's a fair point.

[strong forum]

same logic applies to defensive trinkets

whats the point of using a defensive trinket if you dont actually use/need to use it

[waxen frigate]

Particularly cheats I’d argue

[tender cove]

I'm not against it and I've always thought tank dps mattered even when it was unpopular but everywhere you read, it just comes off as such an absolute statement regarding battle stance. it just feels off, for a tank.

[waxen frigate]

Cheats are the biggest bait a lot of the time

[waxen frigate]

Modern tanking is so far removed from old school tanking

Like playing classic wrath vs retail you can see that

[strong forum]

even old school tanking, if people were better informed, are just full dmg

[tender cove]

You couldnt even pay me to touch classic lol

[waxen frigate]

Well yes but no

There was more emphasis on tankbusters and aggro

And planning out CDs

[strong forum]

maybe in wrath

[waxen frigate]

Rather than what most tanks have now with lots of baked in CDR and offensive effects to their defenses

[strong forum]

but certainly not in classic

[waxen frigate]

I didn’t play vanilla tbf

But afaik that was all about aggro

[strong forum]

classic is just fullsend as fury tank

[waxen frigate]

Which yea comes from damage

[strong forum]

and get spam healed by healers cuz you dont have meaningful defensives

you have SW once every 30 or 60 minutes

and SB for 1 attack at a time

xdd

[tender cove]

Last raid i did was mythic sylvanas, played prot pally then but the cd planning for her alone was above anything i've done previously in wow, so not sure it changed that much?

[waxen frigate]

It depends on the boss

There are 2 bosses this tier that actually require explicit planning

Rashok and Sarkareth

[strong forum]

lotta bosses, even on mythic, dont require CD planning for tanks

[waxen frigate]

And sark is more situational

(Like if you’re the person transitioning the boss solo)

[strong forum]

cuz either the boss doesnt really do anything to tanks

or its perma pressure

and in both scenarios you dont plan CDs

[waxen frigate]

Yea

Good example of the latter was Diurna last tier

[strong forum]

only time where planning CDs works is for relevant busters

[waxen frigate]

You just got fucked nonstop

From start to finish

Which tbf was rather fun imo

[strong forum]

sludgefist remains my fav boss

[waxen frigate]

And I definitely had a loose plan for my CDs after a while but nothing concrete

I only did fated mythic sludge

But I did like it

[strong forum]

i was a walking external for my VDH cotank with intervene and just tank boss melee hits

[astral crystal]

there was some planning on Diurna, second phase

[waxen frigate]

I was brew so I’d just hold boss all the time and dodge

[waxen frigate]

Depends on the spec

[violet ginkgo]

This is what throw me off at first return after hearing all of your explanation like just press Demoralize on CD, press Last Stand on CD., because I thought that is medium defensive cooldown and should be managed aka not pressed on CD like the Shield Block and Ignore Pain.

[strong forum]

well yeah but sludge hits both tanks

[waxen frigate]

But not super detailed planning

[astral crystal]

i'm under the impression we're talking about prot warr on diurna

[waxen frigate]

No he hit the primary and then that was mirrored onto the cotank wasn’t it

[strong forum]

no

that was only PTR raid testing and maybe super early prog

[waxen frigate]

[tender cove]

Its just his tank buster that hit 2 ppl closest to him?

[strong forum]

ye

auto attack*

both worked entirely independant

[waxen frigate]

Hmmge yeah i see

When I did fated sludge on brew I took 7 melees vs pwarr’s 25

[strong forum]

not like pwar cares about those either

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[strong forum]

the only thing that mattered during early prog of sludge was

was that the 2nd melee attack couldnt be dodged iirc

thats why brew was main tank there

they fixed his 2nd attack later down the line

[hardy snow]

Rashok on mythic was cool

[waxen frigate]

Oh

[waxen frigate]

It was cool with a prot Paladin who did what he was supposed to

Which my cotank didn’t the entire first night

[hardy snow]

Echo and Sark also cool bosses to tank them

[tender cove]

was fun tanking that as pally. I'm kinda certain it would have been possible to solo tank it later.

[hardy snow]

tbh every boss in this raid is cool for me, except zskarn and experiments

[tender cove]

just sacrifice some dps and burn it xD

[strong forum]

Only if you immunity abuse it with multiple other pallies

[tender cove]

yeh, you needed one more bop if using the cd reduction for ds. Goak would easily soak one of them, so you could switch it around pretty freely.

[waxen frigate]

Rashok? No

[tender cove]

sluidge

[waxen frigate]

Don’t you still have forbearance for the second combo of each set

Ohh

Yea sludge is prob solo tankable but it’s a bit troll

Definitely something I could have seen being done on brew to parse

That’s how I got my first 100 on mythic anduin

Just soloed intermission and got fat stomps

[tender cove]

didnt that echo mage guy do a run with 19 mages or smt on sludge too? Or was it all druids? Cant remember.

[waxen frigate]

All Druids is always a thing

Usually they do all DKs too

[sick sentinel]

DOTi is gunna be pug hell

[jagged pier]

yes

[hardy snow]

Why?

[sick sentinel]

mostly the bosses but i KNOW FOFR FACT there will be giga malding

[jagged pier]

pugs struggle with it already

[sick sentinel]

iridikon is gunna be..... uh....

fun

[hardy snow]

it will be nerfed as last two megadungeones were 🤷‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

well i mean, mechagon panned out perfectly

work and junk are like, some of best staple examples how to build key dungeon

mostly scared of murozond rise section

[waxen frigate]

It’s gonna get gutted

Probably will be hell first few weeks

Then gutted

Like Taz was

Streets +15 day 1 of season 3

[sick sentinel]

SL mega was alirght too

[ionic roost]

Say Kapp

[lusty tiger]

two amazing dungeons

[daring marlin]

minus dog

dog is cancer

also bots are cancer

[modern brook]

Workshop was ass

Junk yard owned

[lusty tiger]

bots suck!

i liked dog(as banner war)

workshop was fun on tyr because you could own bosses

reeally high melee uptime

[sick sentinel]

they did it for me

[strong forum]

classic summed up in 1 tweet

[sick sentinel]

retail as well

[strong forum]

some people might disagree with that

one might even say most would disagree

[sick sentinel]

thats my experience as rogue

not enough energy, that's still recharging, im out of range

[uneven mason]

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/12

[agile pumice]

Spent 20 minutes on mailroom that day before my group gave up

[sick sentinel]

that was just a bug though

unfun bug, yes, but abug

[lament shell]

yo people

is ptr update tonight ?

for eu or tomorrow

[strong forum]

could be today or tomorrow

[waxen frigate]

Could be the friends we made along the way

[modern brook]

My dad works at blizzard and he confirmed its the friends we made along the way

[warm plinth]

Classic would just be
"hrraaaghh!"
crickets
crickets
crickets
crickets
"huaaaaah!"

[waxen frigate]

Wdym I never have enough rage to shield block on my warrior (I’m bad)

[lusty tiger]

is there a way to quickly filter m+ runs on WCL, that have no aug evoker?

[waxen frigate]

Yeah so first filter out anything above 25

[lusty tiger]

surely a group has timed over a 25 without an aug... right?

[waxen frigate]

Yes lol I’m just shitposting

[potent anvil]

Returning prot warr, what do I craft for embellishments? 2x shadowflame?

[lusty tiger]

yes unless u have the frostfire belt, you can keep that

[potent anvil]

I do not. But I'll go craft shadowflames. Ty

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum do you know how to filter WCL m+ runs without an aug?

[terse gate]

Hello Im trying to find a straight forward guide for Prot warr in youtube but can't find any

can yall hook me up with a video if you guys have one?

[warm plinth]

Are you teasing? Are you really coming back to pwar?!

[potent anvil]

I retired from mythic raiding, so I have a lot of free time. Probably gonna gear warr and participate in the upcoming BTM event on r.io (break the meta).

[chilly brook]

It’s ok you’ll be back

[warm plinth]

poggggg

[chilly brook]

I tried not doing mythic for a tier

Anything other than mythic is just ruined for me

[potent anvil]

I think with catalyst week 1, you just need to get aotc omni and hold it till week 3 and you'll likely guarantee yourself 4p (between vault and raid drops).

[warm plinth]

yeah, catalyst week 1 is really nice

[potent anvil]

Then the slow grind to all m+ vault gear

[modern brook]

Btm is always enjoyable (Boyz ii men)

[terse gate]

Hello Im trying to find a straight forward guide for Prot warr in youtube but can't find any
can yall hook me up with a video if you guys have one?

[warm plinth]

There's not any video guide that I'm aware of

[strong forum]

not any good prot specific ones that i know

[strong forum]

not at the top of my head no

[terse gate]

why

that's crazy

Im trying to teach my friend to start playing tank

[ionic roost]

Look up a key. Look at it's max -2 key levels

Hehe

[warm plinth]

Click the magnifying glass on the right, check the aug box, type a 0 in the box, click search

Or am I misunderstanding you and you ONLY want runs with an augvoker?

In that case you would just type 1 instead of 0

[lusty tiger]

only runs without

[warm plinth]

Then my initial instructions will do ya

[strong forum]

cuz nobody good bothers and the ones that exist are often of poor quality or straight up wrong filled with feelycraft

[terse gate]

what shouldI do

shits crazy

[warm plinth]

Video guides are generall kind of mediocre anyway because they're too much of a pain in the ass to update when changes happen.

Just send them to the icy-veins or wowhead guide, have them read through the faq and pins here

[strong forum]

read the wowhead or icyveins guide

[jagged pier]

the spec is complex so theres no straight forward guide

if u want a straight forward tank tell him to reroll

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/34#search=1.1.-1,1.2.-1,1.3.-1,2.1.-1,2.2.-1,2.3.-1,2.4.-1,3.1.-1,3.2.-1,3.3.-1,4.1.-1,4.2.-1,4.3.-1,5.1.-1,5.2.-1,5.3.-1,6.1.-1,6.2.-1,6.3.-1,7.1.-1,7.2.-1,7.3.-1,8.1.-1,8.3.-1,8.4.-1,9.1.-1,9.2.-1,9.3.-1,10.1.-1,10.2.-1,10.3.-1,11.1.-1,11.2.-1,11.3.-1,12.1.-1,12.2.-1,13.1.-1,13.2.-1,13.3.0

no luck yet

[warm plinth]

I'm asking them

That should work

[toxic pewter]

Tell ur friend to hit the dummies

[jagged pier]

that literally teaches u nothing

[toxic pewter]

After reading the guide(s)

Then go into some dungeons

Then ???

[modern brook]

The bare minimum of the spec is ABC, don't cap rage, maintain shield block.

From there there's like 4 metric shit tons of corner cases and variations that going over all of them isn't really feasible in any recorded format.

Best advice I can give is guided practice.

Posting logs / vods for review Is usually the best way to identify gaps in your gameplay

[chilly brook]

Well maybe I should make a non mediocre one again

Come out of retirement like I did for 8.0

[terse gate]

my friend is a newbie so i cba telling him record logs and that

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s pretty simple tbh

Tell him to press shield slam on CD as well as avatar, demoralizing shout, last stand, shield charge and thunderous roar

And then press shield block when things are swinging at him

That’s like 70% of the way to what he needs to know

[terse gate]

what i meant was teaching him to record logs and uploading them :d

[modern brook]

I mean with no disrespect thag it's not worth discussing then 🤷‍♂️

[chilly brook]

That’s also extremely simple

[terse gate]

what u on about

[chilly brook]

Considering there are addons or external programs that will auto log and upload

[waxen frigate]

Yea just tell him install raiderio/mrt/some other addon he will probably need anyway

Turn on that addon’s auto logging feature

And then use the Warcraft logs uploader if he ever wants to upload and look at them

[terse gate]

nah I just wanted to give him a link to teach him rotations

that's all

[terse gate]

which bro explained

thanks

[warm plinth]

Step 1. Download WCL Uploader from http://www.warcraftlogs.com
Step 2. Go into your game options, go to Network, and make sure Advanced Combat Logging is checked
Step 3. Download Loggerhead addon; this will prompt you every time you enter a new area/difficulty and ask if you want to auto log. Other addons do this but this is my preferred one.
Step 4. Once you're done with the dungeon or when you're done running for the night, use the uploader to upload your logs for the night. I usually make sure my game is closed when I do this so that it will let me delete the file right away afterward (since you don't need it once it's online).

[potent anvil]

My warr is rising

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

I tanked a redemption arc 17 FH

Still can't seem to make my brain want to press LS but other than that I did pretty well

[jagged pier]

oh des coming back?

POG

[warm plinth]

helllssss yes

YOUTUBE CONTENT HERE I COME

[strong forum]

Last time deswind was back he wasn't

Sus

[lusty grotto]

[sullen gust]

It might not be optimal but I macrod it to Avatar for this tier. That way if I forget it exists I'll get it during Avatar window with the extra damage amp. Nothing special but it helps me to actually press the ability and get the bonus

[hard lodge]

Does new 10.2 tier set work with the Fueled by Violence talent?

[tender cove]

Instead of asking why pwarr is the worst tank spec... What made druid so strong this tier?

and how big is the actual gap vs community perception?

[toxic pewter]

?

[tender cove]

"The current perception of Protection Warrior is that it's the weakest tank in the game" From the wowhead guide on prot

[toxic pewter]

?

[tender cove]

😦

[lapis smelt]

Druid got consecutive, substantial aura buffs (despite damage not being an issue after like... buff 3).
Then a number of mini-reworks to talents across multiple hotfixes culminated in a very angry, very furry beyblade

while also having a very solid tier set

[mighty valley]

as always, the gap isn't that big in practical terms for normal players who aren't pushing high. if a prot warrior can do a +31, you can accept one to your weekly 20, random person in group finder

but the gap is more real than most seasons

[lapis smelt]

Could also be argued that damage for Guardian was fine before most of the consecutive aura buffs

[tender cove]

I see, interesting. I was mostly just curious when it was even in the wowhead guide haha

[lapis smelt]

they had survivability issues for a long time and when those were solved, you now have an insanely high damage tank that has some of the best effectively-uncapped AoE in the game with survivability that scales with number of targets

[tender cove]

seems like blizzards standard overbuffing/nerfing.

[mighty valley]

if you're not a god comp spec, you're fighting an uphill battle against perception and selection bias for sure

[tender cove]

yeh, i can see why that would be an issue haha

[lapis smelt]

I'm almost waiting for 2 more BDK aura buffs and then a mini talent rework making them to become absolute gods because the same thing happened with prot paladin and their rework

[tender cove]

is pally strong now? Always liked to play pally tbh. Something about shield smashing tanks thats appealing.

[toxic pewter]

?

[tender cove]

i've missed you too

[toxic pewter]

Just play what you find fun, all the tanks are very powerful

[tender cove]

im not fishing for whats OP, couldnt even utilize what that is. I'm just curious and making conversation. Dont read to much into it 😛

[toxic pewter]

Go play paladin

[tender cove]

dont tell me what todo!!

😦

[toxic pewter]

? I’m part of the community lol

[tender cove]

gonna play warrior even harder now

[toxic pewter]

Not sure I agree it’s appropriate to say we are the community perceived weakest tank in the wowhead guide O_O

I don’t agree with that premise

[lapis smelt]

Generally on live guardian stands on top followed by Brew and VHD, while paladin, BDK, and war are not far behind

[tender cove]

yeh, it really stood out tbh. Was bit chocked to see it written there of all places but hey.

speak to your audience and all that jazz

[toxic pewter]

It’s not true

[strong forum]

It's always very funny to see

People instantly assuming pwar as weakest tank

When it's not #1

But such is life

Rather be underrated

Than overhated

[mighty valley]

we can argue whether that should be stated in the wowhead guide but I do think if you did a poll of rando m+ players the consensus would be that prot warrior is worst

it's both a persistent meme like nom is saying

and there are bad pwarrs out there who tarnish our goodly reputation

[tender cove]

But hasnt this always sorta been the case? Nobody wants pwarr to be on top and when it is, its the most hated and to be considered even viable by community standards you have to almost become nr 1 again.

stupid cycle.

[strong forum]

Pmuch

The loud community just does not like pwar

Which is funny

Cuz you see people hyping up pwar slowly again and looking forward to it

Which is like... Bruh

7 months ago everybody screamed their lungs out for pwar to nerfed into the floor

And suddenly forgot about pwar existing and deeming it trash once 1 tank took over

Like make up your mind you fucks

[tender cove]

yup and never ever are the screams as loud for nerfs when warr is at top for any other tank, some even gets to ride their season to season lol

[strong forum]

Guardian did receive alot of hate

And so did pally

Every tank that is meta gets hated alot

Pwar and bear are just the only tanks that get hated even when not meta

[toxic pewter]

It’s weird though I’ve noticed many other discords will refuse to point out legitimate overpowered situations that are occurring in their spec.. I think it’s a real thing and perhaps we have a strong sense of what’s right we are hated on for that as well

I’ve legitimately seen people on here call for real overpowered issues to be looked at

[strong forum]

It's primarily dps

That don't wanna play fair

Dps are incredibly selfish

And just want to be disgustingly overpowered

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that’s true

[tender cove]

very true yeh

specially selfish part

[strong forum]

But yeah, pwar is actively fighting the blatantly overpowered stuff to get nerfed before it makes it into the game

[tender cove]

i think thats good, better to not have it rather than have it and get it taken away

[strong forum]

Yes

And like

You don't want unfair stuff

And group shieldwall was blatantly unfair

[tender cove]

Was it really? My memory is vague from so long ago but i remember the 4set during, what was it, first tier of cataclysm? Deathwing? But i guess m+ didnt exist and influence that much back then

[strong forum]

It existed on beta and pre-patch

1.5min CD on 20% group DR is not okay

[tender cove]

the group shield wall was taken from a previous 4set. It wasnt a new idea for DF.

[strong forum]

I know

Mop tierset

iirc

[tender cove]

But what differs from then to now? m+?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tender cove]

thats the real balance issue right?

[strong forum]

Yes

Back then the only thing the game had was raid

Logs didn't exist

Or actually no

They did exist

[tender cove]

it did, i remember getting some top 10 but whatever

salty

xD

But yeh, i get it. I actually liked seeing it come back though. I wanted it real bad haha

[strong forum]

But like you just logged in once a week clear raid and then piss off for a week again

[tender cove]

yes, and you had time to play many alts. game was easier and honestly, i had more fun back then tbh.

[strong forum]

I didn't play much pve back then but it wasnt such a sweat lord fiesta

You only had your guild

And maybe a few friends

Maybe bit of a forum

Not as much global discourse

[tender cove]

and that whatever that annoying VOIP program, the prediscord thingy but very localized to your guild and to some extent realm far as raiding

[hollow bolt]

babe wake up its time to get on vent

or teamspeak

[tender cove]

yes hahaha!! both xD

[hollow bolt]

or using gameraider to talk to ur friends pre steam days

[strong forum]

Skype

[frosty bolt]

on average how much cooldown reduction do you get on shield wall with Impenetrable wall?

[sick sentinel]

100% block rate EZ

[lusty grotto]

around a min

on average, you could get it lower with good SS procs

and that's assuming proper rage management

and proper play

[sudden sable]

still no IP bugfix yet on PTR. omega sadge.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

post post https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-warrior/1671751/39

[modern gazelle]

can i make a mouseover macro for faceless ire mouseover?

[violet flume]

tbh as a M+ exclusive player.. rallying cry felt so shit, im not even sure i managed to save someone's life even 10% of the time ive used it

stacked with other damage reduction stuff in raids for sure its good though.. maybe it should gave more effiency in 5man content?

idk i feel like im getting spoiled in group support with my protpal and guardian alts

regrowth procs fullheal everytime lmao

i do always miss the mass stun to CC casts that cant be interrupted though

[lusty grotto]

yeah rally was just a side note

the big bug is IP

[limpid pawn]

hey, anyone have a link to the evoker discord

i know its unrelated but I don't know what it is

[hybrid violet]

https://discord.gg/evoker

[limpid estuary]

Do tanks have to bait the breath on mythic sark p1?

[lusty grotto]

its melee iirc

but if you want to avoid rng, then yeah

[simple stream]

It cannot be baited on tanks no

[honest acorn]

is lariat any good if you have 8 sockets?

[strong forum]

Should be aight for aoe

[tough flume]

anyone know what the new juciy spell reflect targets are in the new season 3 dungeon pool?

[tender cove]

I was so stressed to craft it before having to go out and it just caught me off guard having to add something and while it says "optional" its not optional at all, you cant send the order without it. Anyhow... Look at my weapon bois 😄

I will sparkle so much the mobs will cover in fear!!!

[strong forum]

Witch boss in Wcm
Lord and lady waycrest in Wcm
Maggots in Wcm
Infected Thorn in Wcm

Atal priest boss dot

[tough flume]

hm yea wonder cause season 2 had a few really good dungeons for spellreflect

[strong forum]

Dht has 1 or 2

Brh has 1 or 2

[tough flume]

nelths lair level spell reflect is what im looking for

[strong forum]

Wcm

Also NL is by far the biggest spell reflect dungeon in all of wows history

So like, GL getting close to that

[tough flume]

im be chasing that high for a bit then

[strong forum]

Not a fan of the only reason being brought or up for discussion is just cuz spell reflect

[tender cove]

didnt echo use pwarr on some dungeons in the great push this year?

[strong forum]

NL

For spell reflect

[tender cove]

nah, one of the old school ones

[strong forum]

NL is old school

[south zealot]

that is one of the old school ones

[tender cove]

ohh, isnt that the one from DF 😒

[strong forum]

Nop

[south zealot]

thats neltharus

we are talking about neltharions lair

[tender cove]

ohh, i mixed them up lol

well, that sucks 😦

[south zealot]

i knew i missed storming

bless

[modern gazelle]

how do you check health pot/stones used in a fight on logs?

[strong forum]

Summary tab

[hollow scroll]

Check healing done?

[south zealot]

if u wanna check specific people u can go on their casts

[strong forum]

Or just Filter healing done by ability

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D2AvfyLZghwqxjRm#fight=35&type=healing&ability=370511

This for example

[modern gazelle]

thanks i didnt realize it was alphabetized

didnt see it when i looked there originally

[tender cove]

is there some skip for lvl 60 alts? or i stil have todo the whole orgimmar recruit, fly zeppelin thingie?

[frosty bolt]

@tender cove get a mage to make a portal for you

[warm plinth]

You can just take the valdrakken portal in the portal room

That's how I got all my level 60s there to put them at feast

[tender cove]

does the warmode bonus apply to killing mobs inside dungeons too?

[tender cove]

ohh 😮

[tender cove]

is there anything bad about doing that? Or do i miss smt?

Just have 2 alts left at 60, a druid and a monk, figured i'll get them up by just grinding dungeons

[frosty bolt]

nah, I personally have just done the intro since it is so short. And then just payed for someone to powerlevel me in 1hour

[tender cove]

powerlevel? What? how 😮

and what is this cost 😮

[frosty bolt]

just look for a group in custom that says something like 60-70. You fly where they tell you too. They kill a bunch of adds, and it takes about 1 hour or a bit more for 10 levels. The cost have normally for me been around 130k for 10 levels

[warm plinth]

No, only in areas where world pvp is possible

[warm plinth]

Anything bad about doing what exactly?

[frosty bolt]

Just ask for the cost from multiple groups so they dont scam you

[tender cove]

for real? Thats amazing 😮

[warm plinth]

Yerp.

[tender cove]

skipping with portals, ignoring intro, quest zones, stories etc

[warm plinth]

As long as you've already done it once, there's no reason to do it again unless you're actually going to quest to level.

[tender cove]

nah, i did loremaster on my first char to get it out the way early and with what freddy is saying, i aint even gonna dungeon it myself lol

[lusty grotto]

just remember to fly down to zaralek and get the 1st half of the spark

and then just do whatever

[warm plinth]

Yeah just port then. No reason to do it

[lusty grotto]

ye you dont need to do anything

[warm plinth]

For what it's worth you don't actually need that half a spark. It's not required to start farming them so unless you just want it sooner there's no need to go there either. Your call on that one though.

[tender cove]

then its just a lvl 16 dk and I would have all tanks at 70, pretty noice, not that I'll ever play them all but would feel noooice to have 😄

[lusty grotto]

its an instant quest so nothing really gets lost

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's true too

[tender cove]

So its just the half and I still get one on every boss? Def dont wanna repeat yesterday doing that half thing, took forever xD

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i mean you dont have to

hell you get 1 every boss in LFR

just do whatever is relevant

not including timewalking

but the 5 dungeons quest is good cause heroic gear

[warm plinth]

Yeah raid and megadungeon give a half spark every boss. Keys give them too but at a much lower rate

Which is kinda dumb tbh

Yeah, plus if you want the mount, you need to do 4 tw dungeons every week for 4 weeks

[tender cove]

yeh, just scale the drop rate with key level, so you cant abuse 2-5s for it

[lusty grotto]

when evokechip hit 70, i just did full LFR for gear and sparks, then normal and keys

got so many sparks right now

after dreamsurges that is

cause i wanted 4pc

[tender cove]

but how you get gear if you just have someone powerlevel you?

[warm plinth]

Yeah sparks are a nice jump start too since they make 424 gear

[tender cove]

my dh is 191 ilvl rn xD

[lusty grotto]

why do you need powerlvl lol

[warm plinth]

You can buy like 376 gear on the ah for dirt cheap

[lusty grotto]

event goes fucking fast

[warm plinth]

Every slot

[tender cove]

takes 1 hour to 70 and 10 lvls

i can never come close to that

[pallid quiver]

you can even send dreamsurge to an al;t

[tender cove]

and for 130kish? its acceptable

[lusty grotto]

i use that time to learn the class

[warm plinth]

Event? What event?

[lusty grotto]

the timewalking event

[warm plinth]

Oh

[tender cove]

yeh, its 30% bonus xp right?

[warm plinth]

Sort if

[tender cove]

plus already having higher xp per default

[warm plinth]

Of

[tender cove]

after doing 5 in a row the buff stacks 5/5/5 and finished at 30%

[warm plinth]

It's 30% bonus xp to mob kills and quests. So the actual completion xp isn't increased.

[tender cove]

ohh, thats bit lame

[lusty grotto]

as a quester i like

[warm plinth]

But you get a decent chunk of xp from mob kills anyway

[tender cove]

i mean free xp but yeh, i assumed it would increase the completion

[warm plinth]

Like probably 30-40% of the xp from tw is mobs

Depending on dungeon

It's really good as a quester for sure. Do 4 dungeons, quest for a couple hours and you should be at least most of the way there

Can also craft for like 3/4 of a level or so

For like 2k gold

[tender cove]

craft gives xp?

[warm plinth]

First crafts do, up to a certain amount

I'll find the reddit post that outlines it when I get home

[tender cove]

cool 😄

[pallid quiver]

it's me

I'm the weak aura in DotI

[lusty grotto]

so am i

[pallid quiver]

someone was like "Wow, those Morchie pings are always correct and so fast! That's a good WA!"

meanwhile, me, pinging:

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

That was somehow

An actual normal run of the dungeon

I'm scared to sleep now

[blazing condor]

u gonna wake up in 10 mins

it was all a dream

[pallid quiver]

Listen, if I wake up and it was just all a dream, that's all that happens, I'll take it

I've played too many indie games where things are all in a dream world where things go wrong

[blazing condor]

like wow shadowlands

[pallid quiver]

I just refer to that as hell

Having to play Shadowlands is just hell; that's why Sylvanas was punished with hell

[blazing condor]

snitch on your homies or eternal torment in torghast?

[warm plinth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/zcuxg7/stepbystep_guide_how_to_gain_700000_xp_23_levels/ the amount of xp/levels gained is outdated, but the actual guide still works

[jagged pier]

U need to stop lvling chars

U have 1 for each spec

[warm plinth]

I haven't finished them to 70 yet though

[jagged pier]

MONKA

[warm plinth]

I been lazy

[jagged pier]

True

Cant believe it not playing wow all the time

Complete laziness

[pallid quiver]

that's gonna be me starting tomorrow

japan's seducing me back into the weeb hole with a new fate game

[jagged pier]

Gacha?

[pallid quiver]

I already play the gacha, but there's an actual proper game coming out

Samurai Remnant

[jagged pier]

Huge

[pallid quiver]

I ordered two deluxe editions, one physicial and one digital

I'm a slight fan of the series

[jagged pier]

F, for our fallen comrad

The weebs have him

[pallid quiver]

They've had a strangle hold on my soul for about as long as I've played wow, actually

I guess that's why somewhere in my soul, I can just feel camradarie with DKs

[arctic marten]

If I currently have a low amount of Ignore Pain (30% of cap), and both Shield Slam and Thunder Clap are on cooldown, when at low rage (40), would I still spend on Revenge, or use it on Ignore Pain?

[pallid quiver]

You send on Revenge, because it's cheaper rage wise

[blazing condor]

Revenge

[pallid quiver]

You can get an SS proc off of it

Restarting your rage economy

[blazing condor]

^

[pallid quiver]

Which leads to more IP overall

IP by itself is not actually that great; it's in combination with everything else that it becomes a very strong tool (Blocking, Indom, mitigation tools, etc)

So throttling everything else just to have IP up for however long in only the immediate time frame just hurts you

[arctic marten]

When currently missing Ignore Pain, would it be any different?

[pallid quiver]

No

[urban portal]

You are a big boy

[pallid quiver]

Your overall main goal as Prot War is to maintain your rage economy, so generating and spending

[urban portal]

Can take a hit

[pallid quiver]

The only time it might matter is if it drops entirely before a big hit and you've been playing poorly, so you don't have the ability to keep your rage economy going.

which should be avoided by playing better in the first place

And even then, if it's low at that point, it's the same as if it's empty

So there's no point, then, either

The most important thing, again, is to always keep the rage flowing

If you're at the point where you have no CDs, low rage, and both SS and TC are on cooldown, you're at the lowest point of your rage cycle, so it's vitally important to not kill it for whatever reason

I keep stressing this since you'll feel the urge when facing high, constant amounts of magic damage to spend on IP in a situation like that; it feels good in the immediate time frame, but it will kill you.

[arctic marten]

I've noticed that, in M+ and during execute for bosses, Execute can often just drain all my rage, leading to the scenario where Shield Slam and Thunder Clap are both on cooldown, but Execute didn't reset Shield Slam, and I have no rage left. Would this just mean casting Revenge instead of Execute in execute was correct? Or is this a result of excessive Ignore Pain usage?

[urban portal]

Both

You should definitely be lighter on execute

But excessive ip is more than likely the problem

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's a bit of a balancing act once you get into Execute range, since Execute can range from "costing the same as Revenge" to "twice as much as Revenge". There's a reason we don't take Barbaric Training, and it's because while we have a lot of rage gen, we're not absolutely drowning in it. So you want to press Execute, but you don't want to abuse Execute. If you're at 20 rage, might as well slap Execute. If you're at 40, know that you only have one chance to reset SS, so if you're at a rough spot in your rage, it's probably better to send two Revenges; even if you get the reset on the first Revenge, you just have that extra 20 rage to send on an Execute later. You don't have to absolutely send it now unless the boss is effectively dead

[hardy snow]

if you have 40 rage and you don't want to spend it on one execute, you don't have to do 2x revenge, you can just revenge and then execute (assuming no reset on revenge) as execute is better for ST

[pallid quiver]

Correct, but I was mostly trying to help quantify how to think about rage in that scenario

As much as I hate to say it, it's better to make the mistake of pressing two Revenges instead of a Revenge and an Execute if it helps you maintain your rage economy

[arctic marten]

Could you explain further how Revenge helps generate rage? Revenge normally costs 20 rage, and Shield Slam generates 18 rage

[pallid quiver]

It only costs 20 rage and has a chance to reset Shield Slam's CD. IP doesn't reset SS and costs 35 rage

[arctic marten]

Wouldn't Revenge be spending 20 rage for a 30% chance to get a Shield Slam reset that generates 18 rage?

[pallid quiver]

So, due to the SS reset, Revenge ends up, over a long period of time, effectively costing less rage in the long run due to giving you more instances of increased rage gen

It cuts the CD that you're waiting on; on top of that, SS can generate up to (iirc) 40 rage off an Outburst, as well, which would definitely push it way beyond

Additionally, various other benefits can situationally help you generate more rage on top of that when you generate (Unnerving Focus if you have it in raid)

[warm plinth]

To be clear, the revenge/execute situation mentioned would only happen due to improper play in the first place

[pallid quiver]

It gets you the SS rage sooner, effectively, and more often

[warm plinth]

likely an overuse of IP

[pallid quiver]

IP just gives you a shield for 35 rage

no refund of any sort

Additionally, Revenge is sometimes free. It's not worth tracking in the long run, since it will happen when it happens, but going from 0 rage to any amount of rage is an increase

[warm plinth]

You're sometimes free

gottem

[pallid quiver]

Pffft, I'm free all the time

Ask the people I play fighting games with

[warm plinth]

kek

[gloomy vortex]

Looking for stat suggestions, should I replace any items/sockets to help with raiding? https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Cypherdave

[pallid quiver]

where's the sim yourself gif when you need it

[gloomy vortex]

Not great at sim'ing and I am sure there are people far more intelligent than me here

but if no one wants to give input then that's fine, not holding a gun

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[ionic fern]

Here.

[ionic fern]

As bad as it sounds, "sim yourself" is the proper answer.
It will take into consideration all your current gear,stats etc and throw out suggestions which will increase your damage.
Defensively speaking, won't matter as long as it's your highest ilvl gear (which it probably is since you're 446 equipped).

[jagged pier]

It is also really easy to sim your self

[arctic marten]

Is there a base critical block chance, or is it just the tooltip amount from mastery?

[strong forum]

However much mastery you have, that's your critblock chance

[agile pumice]

There is a base mastery % though

[ionic fern]

^

[blazing condor]

can we just charge the magmorax knockback

or do we gotta position ourselves

[hazy bronze]

Can charge

[sick sentinel]

Just be a pvp chad, then you never have to sim

[opaque quest]

But that comes with the downside of playing pvp which shrinks your pp

[sick sentinel]

No, PvP is how you become Chad Thundercock and Dragon Charge their team off of Lumber Mill

[sick sentinel]

this exactly type of QOL change for random crap in game im talking about

makes it so clear "cant access these talents yet"

also, yeah, VDH is fun as shit, zoomer game play tank, im watchin llarold's new video

[opaque quest]

tHiS iS tHe WaRrIoR DiScOrD yOgI

[lusty tiger]

U tell him yogi

[opaque quest]

Cant wait for the rework to drop

[sick sentinel]

just checking out ptr video and see changes that is r b gud

[ionic nimbus]

100% parry is 100% intended for vDH

[sick sentinel]

its not im quitting warrior or discuss vdh indepth lol, not yet anyway

[ionic roost]

Wanna hear quality of life. DH can spec fel blade. And then when you un spec it you don't get the point back

[sick sentinel]

my vdh is turbo giga rat, dw, i don't know if i play him or not

[ionic roost]

[sick sentinel]

shouldnt there be hierloom warglaives by now?

3 full expansions past they become playble class

[ionic roost]

Because they already have a usable heirloom weapon?

[sick sentinel]

i think DH are snooty or whatever it is enough they would be about that type of crap

hmm i didnt know about dh heirloom

oh, yeahl i see what ur sayin now, but i mean, warglaive explicitly

demon hunters are weird

[waxen frigate]

Warglaives existing as a unique weapon type is a meme

There’s literally numerous fist weapons and I think some axes that are Glaives

[sick sentinel]

that was pre-dh though

[waxen frigate]

Even post DH

I would argue the current DF fist weapons are Glaives

I use them on my DH

[opaque quest]

Fist weapons are only usable in offhand tho. Otherwise you get the fist melee animations and those are turbo meh

[sick sentinel]

dh is getting buffed some how, i sort of understand it but not fully

its all anyone seems to talk about on retail

[waxen frigate]

It’s ok I main monk my weapons are useless to mog anyway

[sick sentinel]

MDI will be nuts if new meta is DH + evoker

[waxen frigate]

It got reworked

[lusty grotto]

@mellow bridge i see you in andy's chat

[mellow bridge]

crazy

[lusty grotto]

is it finally time dust off my dh

if its only about stops, i wouldnt mind it as an alt tank

[mellow bridge]

maaaaaaaaybe

[urban portal]

You can mainhand fist

[mellow bridge]

it's not looking bad

[lusty grotto]

like not broken

yogi commenting how its "going around" feels like weird hype

balanced tanks is for the best

[mellow bridge]

it still suffers from the same issues on pull

and has a lot less DR vs anything that isnt autoattacks now

but in return, once you are stable you have a shitton of DR and parry+dodge so that should make you pretty sturdy

[lusty grotto]

thats good

well

kind of

thinking in terms of high skill ceiling

[waxen frigate]

Muyuu in skyhold this is new

[mellow bridge]

wdym new

i just havent been active in here in a long time

[lusty grotto]

nish baiting

lmao

[mellow bridge]

i think nish just joined in my inactive period

[waxen vale]

warglaives dont matter at all no DH even uses them anymore

[tender cove]

I was so confused when i came to the dh yesterday. I know its 2 button meme class but its legit a 3 button meme class. Like, where is all the buttons? Does it get more abilities as you lvl to 70?

[jagged pier]

If i couls tmog my warglaives i would on warrior

I can even still equip

But no tmog because Dhs have to be speical

[waxen vale]

vengeance is not actually easier than warr tho even if they have a simpler rotation

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong

[waxen vale]

warr has kind of one of the simplest roation tho

but vengeance is considered one of the harder tanks

i think

I def feel hella sus playing it, like maybe ill leech enough, maybe not we'll see

[lusty grotto]

VDH is not considerably harder, it just has issues on pull

and thats how you know if you have a good vdh or a bad vdh

but it is not a 3 button meme class

thats bear

😄

[waxen vale]

haha

bear is literally a meme look at their discord

just a bunch of silly bilies posting bear emojis and gifs

[lusty grotto]

but to be fair you also know when you have a good bear or a bad bear by just looking at swipe spam

[waxen vale]

their disc has a little different vibe now tho since it's meta but that's the dfault state

people talking in "baer language"

[jagged pier]

ThE MaGe ToWeR iS So HaRd It NeEdS a NeRf

[waxen vale]

and posting GIF/emojis

https://tenor.com/view/hello-bear-cute-wave-hi-gif-7099683738483908364

like this

it's a furry hub

[plush tendon]

I cant use the Bear Motes in this disc

and it makes me so madge

[waxen frigate]

Flexing that you’re part of the cabal ok

[plush tendon]

we talking bout Bear Emotes

[waxen frigate]

Oh

[plush tendon]

not trying to flex 😦

[waxen frigate]

As in dream grove?

[plush tendon]

well.....

[waxen frigate]

The Druid Discord

[plush tendon]

I am talking about the other bear emotes

[waxen frigate]

Oh nvm you are part of the cabal

[plush tendon]

bears are cool

not druid bears, but like, normal bears

https://tenor.com/view/hello-bears-gif-4039502

[opaque quest]

Never. Animations with the fists up look shitty

[final mist]

Its also really cringe because they still have to do BT TW to use them as transmog

Every other leggo is free game but Warglaives are still class and achieve locked, it's so weird

[opaque quest]

Nickle and dime the 12 year old for playtime

[coral kayak]

Is there a lot of magic damage and bleeds next season ?

[strong forum]

outside of the mega dungeon, no not rly

not relevant magic dmg atleast

[coral kayak]

Lovely thanks

[lusty grotto]

nome

do we get rage from getting hit anymore? i thought that was removed

a while ago

[strong forum]

3

[lusty grotto]

ohhh right it was normalized

[strong forum]

with 1sec icd

[lusty grotto]

or something

anyway yeah IP got bug fixed @sudden sable

in ptr

[strong forum]

now if they could fix tierset

that'd be great

[blazing condor]

i like this tier we have

this patch

[lusty grotto]

i wish they did buff ST a bit more

but i dont think they will

honestly think they should buff ST baseline like i suggested in the feedback thread

[strong forum]

imagine getting 3 dmg buffs

and still being bottom of the barrel

[lusty grotto]

i do think tier set design is so weird, like a lot of this stuff should be baseline, you shouldn't go up and down in charts based on a tier set, it should just open up more playstyle changes or options

[strong forum]

nah i think thats okay

tiersets are a way to balance the game without balancing the game

[lusty grotto]

thats what i mean

[strong forum]

yeah i like that

thats entirely okay

[lusty grotto]

they should make gameplay funner, not be a balancing crutch

ideally

i know thats never gonna happen

at the very least they highlight spec issues

blizzard could be a bit faster in noticing those

[waxen frigate]

VDH kekw

[lusty grotto]

i mean current bear too

but yeah vdh

[waxen frigate]

Vdh way more than bear

Vdh is literally more tier set than spec at this point

It’s so broken but they’re so bad baseline that they just balance out to good

[stone wing]

I haven't had a chance to do m+ testing on the ptr and im curious, how did they handle the optional bosses in everbloom and throne of tides?

[strong forum]

nobody knows

theyre not up for testing yet

[stone wing]

of course not

would be interesting to see them worth a huge chunk of percent, would possibly vary routes a little more between tyrannical and fortified weeks

[strong forum]

rumours say they removed optional bosses and bothdungoens are 3 bosses

but its just rumours

[lusty grotto]

theyll be up soon

[strong forum]

everbloom will

but not throne

[lusty grotto]

well yeah everbloom only

no idea how they will handle the shaman dude in tot

[stone wing]

I cant even remember the last time I killed either of those bosses

probably not since cata and wod respectively

[lusty grotto]

we will see in a bit

but 3 boss tot would be okayish

[mighty valley]

in timewalking it's been randomly wildly overtuned over the years

people just suddenly die

[stone wing]

I see there are no updates to them in the latest m+ tuning on the ptr, despite changes to other bosses in those dungeons. maybe looking good

[lusty grotto]

everbloom was the spider right?

the optional one

[stone wing]

yepp

[lusty grotto]

5 dungeon bosses are just cringe i hope they dont make those mandatory

err 5 boss dungeons*

extremely punishing on tyrannical

[mighty valley]

please just be lazy and put some rocks blocking the path to the spider

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[mighty valley]

i won't mind this one time blizzard

[stone wing]

like I said, it would be interesting since they are optional to be worth percent instead. on tyrannical weeks obviously you wouldnt want to do them since its easier to kill trash, but in higher fort keys there might be a trash skip you can do with the percent from the boss

[lusty grotto]

hmm

thats not a bad idea

[stone wing]

I've been hoping for it but i'm sure blizz won't do it

[thin silo]

Some bosses giving count while most don't feels like inelegant design.

[real fossil]

it also artificially brings talent diversity between patches, which seems to be something blizz has leaned into this expansion

I haven't taken the time to count the specs who have a bonus on a currently non-meta talent point, but its a lot!

[mellow flare]

I am new to warrior tanking and I’m having a hard time with ignore pain and shield block as to when to use. My impression is that you keep shield block up for as long as you can. For ignore pain, it seems more reactive. Is my understanding of them accurate?

[real fossil]

you want to have sheild block up 100% of the time, and you want to dump remaining rage into ignore pain (or revenge for damage)

[cosmic wyvern]

Ignore pain around 70-80 rage, but also use in preparation of big damage if able

Also when you know you’re about to generate a bunch of rage, like right before outburst shield slam/booming voice demoralizing shout/etc

[toxic tiger]

is there any violent outburst WA?

[strong forum]

several

[tender cove]

@lusty grotto did you say it was worth doing lfr just for splinters?

or was there some other reason todo it?

[south zealot]

@waxen frigate how do u play brew

this shit feels so bad

why do i have so many fucking buttons

[lusty tiger]

black out kick more

[final mist]

Have they mentioned about doing anything with the abysmal route Throne has?

[strong forum]

i've only heard about elevator being fixed and 3 boss dungeon

look at the fucking poor dmg tierset does in aoe

(you do get alot more TCs tho)

[dusky canopy]

The earth is flat

[lusty tiger]

🌎

[dusky canopy]

If the earth isn’t flat how can they draw it on a flat piece of paper?

[opaque quest]

Optical illusion. The paper is bend too

[lusty grotto]

free gear if u get it, and splinters sure

[toxic pewter]

is m+ testing open on ptr today

[tender cove]

what are the bosses i need to have dps loot spec on? for trinkets? Do you know bro? 😄

so from my indepth research last few minutes, its appears i only need to be arms for anvil on almagation bossy

[opaque quest]

Ye defo arms for anvil

Anything for essence

Anything for grapple

Anything for class trinket

Anything for Sark

[lusty grotto]

not arms

fury works too

[opaque quest]

But fury get a 1h on chamber

[lusty grotto]

o

well yeah arms it is

im perma fury loot spec lol

ideally you can swap to prot on kazzara/echo for the defensive trinkets if anything but meh

kazzara plates arent really that good until like high FH key and if you pull big

so meh

but echo trinket is useful

plus you can get class trinket in prot spec anyway

the only thing you miss from echo is ashkandur if anything

from going prot loot spec

[tender cove]

Noice raid frames, wtf lol...

[lusty grotto]

omnicd

disable it for raid

[south zealot]

yeah turn off omnicd for raid

[tender cove]

ahh 😄

[south zealot]

holy fuck lol

[lusty grotto]

spider is gone

from everbloom

[opaque quest]

No way

[lusty grotto]

its just 4 bosses

[stone wing]

Rip there goes my dream

[tender cove]

its not enabled for raid tab 😒

[stone wing]

That’s unfortunate. They had an opportunity to really shake things up between fort/tyrannical weeks

[lusty grotto]

well no idea cause im watching andy, but perhaps its a spawnable trash mob

[opaque quest]

I hated spider in CMs so much

So god damn much

[stone wing]

I doubt it, it’s probably blocked off

[lusty grotto]

its not

but theres no spiders

empty area

eggs are around though

[tender cove]

think i have some odd profile, i tried creating a new one and now its disabled for raid as its shows in settings. No idea why

[lusty grotto]

i mean you dont have to swap profiles, you can just disable raid

[tender cove]

it was never enabled and even toggling it on and off didnt help

[opaque quest]

Lets for a second ignore that im talking about enh and act like im talking prot. How can an idol suddenly sim higher than my bis trinkets even tho i even lost 1 gem

[strong forum]

link

[opaque quest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jed8t3RrVj33URRG3gpjW3

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x6ScWc61hXU6xZTUeKwsG2

Looks the same for both

[strong forum]

maybe dungeon slice favours the alignment of idol more

[opaque quest]

Possibly

[strong forum]

get the proc at more opportune times on average

[opaque quest]

Might have to sim the prot warr thingy. Boss for 5 mins then 5 targets 1 min maybe

Ill run mastery vers next. Maybe the sim wants the idol to procc and give vers

Its usualy the worst stat by far but i got enough mas crit haste

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rVie64h1srV9evv1VcFKvb simming with vers it suddenly sims 500 dps more than last time. Pretty sure its just buggy.

[lusty tiger]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-hunter-raid-buff/1678304/4

[lusty grotto]

we're aware

[strong forum]

hunter buff is literally only worth 1% dmg

[lusty grotto]

since yesterday

[cerulean tusk]

1% in the usually most pointless phase

Will help UDKs look strong tho, so that is cool

[toxic pewter]

need to bring back condemn

[opaque quest]

We got condem

[humble saffron]

massacre turns execute into condemn

[opaque quest]

Massacre baby

[toxic pewter]

?

[cerulean tusk]

?

[toxic pewter]

No I want codemn

[opaque quest]

no condem for you

Massacre. Take it or leave it

[toxic pewter]

so I can condemn from 100%-80%

[opaque quest]

Before we get condem i want the banner so ppl invite us

[toxic pewter]

need to utilize the hunter raid buff

[opaque quest]

Too soon dude

Dont put sodium chloride into the wound

[toxic pewter]

make execute great again

[opaque quest]

Need to rework lock 14 more times first

[plush tendon]

honestly, hunter mark should just be something like 'increases range attack range on target by 5 yards and melee attack range by 3 (or 5)'

not super necessary, but would be such a nice thing to have in a raid

[opaque quest]

God i want acrobatic strikes for my chars

[plush tendon]

2h classes should get increased attack range

change my mind

[toxic pewter]

I have the opposite view, need to make all melee specs melee again

this some range for you and none for other guy is another modern day disgrace to the game

[opaque quest]

nononono

If they change enh and unholy to full melee ill unsub

[lusty tiger]

part of the allure is being able to temporarily play out of melee range as a melee

because every gd mechanic in this game is meant to make you lose melee uptime

[toxic pewter]

I am a proud true melee'r, I look down on fake melee players personally

[modern brook]

i like this becuase it lets me live the fantasy of being able to do the impossible horse shit my clients and management expect from me.
"just hit the dude hes right there hes only 18 feet away"
"aight fam u got it"

[lusty grotto]

ngl

but i like augusto's takes

both of them

[plush tendon]

omg, that might be a first

[modern brook]

uhhh yeah

[plush tendon]

my first good idea

[modern brook]

took them 20years to figure it out

[daring marlin]

Augusto is always based

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-turtle-gif-24074451

prolly cuz he plays bdk

@proper roost

[vestal moat]

Are we supposed to get the bleed ever from gutshot’s dogs? It hurts a ton.

[dusky canopy]

nice KITTEH

[chilly brook]

Would unironically be more useful than the buff they’re giving them

[tender cove]

so that aspect crest + shadowflame can craft the 441 gear right?

so upgrading 424 gear must be the best investment for those?

[lusty grotto]

aspect + shadowflame is 447

wyrm + shadowflame is 437

shadowflame alone is 424

you need 4 aspect crests for 1 enchanted aspect which is whats needed

and/or 3 wyrm crests for 1 enchanted wyrm

and those are crafted by enchanters

[tender cove]

so the drake and whelpin aspecsts are sorta useless and only for medium upgrades on like normal gear?

[opaque quest]

Ye. They are only for upgrading through the npc

Tho whelp is for 424 thus useless

[inland raft]

next tier though will be able to trade up evidently?

once you meet ilvl threshhold in every slot

[waxen frigate]

Yeah they’re useless if you do true endgame content

[opaque quest]

No hard evidence yet. Thats what we think

No way blizz gives us free 4p on day 1

[lusty tiger]

whos cat?

[daring marlin]

Wish it was mine

[opaque quest]

My cat just shit in the living room because he was having a tantrum. Having a cat isnt always great

[daring marlin]

I have three and they've never shit outside their little boxes

[opaque quest]

We lost our marie a few weeks ago. He started doing it after that

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

rogue 300 energy ai players, wtf is this

[opaque quest]

Yogi back on the i forgot to write the first part of the sentence plot

[sick sentinel]

combination of the usual suspects on streams/yt

still doesn't make me feel any more wtf lol about those 2 topics

this this what i mean

[opaque quest]

wtf

Blade flurry is perma active with restless blades

[sick sentinel]

some ptr rogue stuff, i have no idea lol

[opaque quest]

Rush not being consumed will make outlaw keep shadow dance so it lines up. That part omega sucks

I hate keeping CDs back

[drifting mountain]

mostly means you can keep adrenaline rush up between packs with stealth, and always have s&d

so just send rush on cd

[opaque quest]

Ye but rush is being reduced by restless blades while sd isnt

So they dont line up all the time

Akward

[drifting mountain]

from what i have seen people almost always have rush anyway

[warm plinth]

Were not gonna hold shadow dance, why would you think that

[modern gazelle]

whats the lust timings on bh big keys?

i usually do first pack, its often up around 1st boss still, but when are you lusting last? i want it for last boss but its up before then and feels like a waste

[opaque quest]

More seconds on rush

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh doesn’t outlaw just send shit on CD anyways???

[opaque quest]

Ye rn we do

[warm plinth]

You already got cdr on rush itself and on vanish

You're not going to hold dance

[opaque quest]

SD will extend rush by a few secs tho

Might be worth it

[chilly brook]

I do need to get my rogue to level cap

I like outlaw

[opaque quest]

For outlaw you need the old gun sounds addon

[chilly brook]

RTB is BiS

[warm plinth]

You already get giga uptime on AR in 10.2.

[lusty grotto]

RTB is BIS indeed

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[warm plinth]

You're not going to hold SD

[chilly brook]

5 buff RTB is just

🧑‍🍳

[lusty grotto]

climaxEmoji

[sick sentinel]

nah

[lusty grotto]

BOOM!

[sick sentinel]

climax is its combat the real spec

[lusty grotto]

fuck no

[sick sentinel]

and you get 5 points and hit evis and it crits for some crazy number

[opaque quest]

No evis

Dispatch

[sick sentinel]

yes evis

[opaque quest]

Then dispatch gives you audacity

[sick sentinel]

why dispatch

[opaque quest]

Dispatch is the outlaw version

[modern gazelle]

anyone?

[lusty grotto]

because we play retail not classic

and combat was fucking stupid

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand why it had to change i learned that spell at lvl 1 on my rogue in 2005

[opaque quest]

Yogi doesnt play retail or classic. He only plays doom

[lusty grotto]

easiest spec of all time

[warm plinth]

I will never understand the nostalgia for combat rogue tbh

[opaque quest]

Combat was 3 buttons

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[opaque quest]

Outlaw is just fkn dope. Fan the hammer is the best thing in the world

[lusty grotto]

outlaw is indeed fucking dope

[opaque quest]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/oldgunsounds

Get this

[sick sentinel]

cuz it was SS x3 to 5, evis

[opaque quest]

Makes the pistol bang not piff

[warm plinth]

Yeah and in 10.2 we get even more pew pew with crackshot

[sick sentinel]

keep up posion and snd

[warm plinth]

Yes which is like the most giga basic rogue gameplay of all time

[sick sentinel]

it was 2 button rotation, slightly better at AOE for raids

[warm plinth]

How is that fun