theres no other way to put it
#protection
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
Rather than gear, adjusting your mindset about how to stack and handle your rotation is a lot more important
lusty grotto
6 stacks? swap to dstance, wall
pallid quiver
On top of that, healers also need to help
cosmic wyvern
I'm generally always in defensive stance
cosmic wyvern
should I not be in fights where there are two bosses tho?
since I pretty much always have aggro
lusty grotto
all in all, if you're holding back dps for clean transitions, your raid dps is fine
so i wouldn't worry about that particular topic right now
pallid quiver
You should default to B Stance technically, and only D Stance as another defensive
but
Above is more important
cosmic wyvern
so how should I change my rotation
right now I kinda play it like a child with unmedicated adhd
lusty grotto
youre walling once
pallid quiver
You use IP to avoid overcapping
cosmic wyvern
I do think I tend to overvalue my defensives and as such tend to not use them unless I feel it's extremely necessary
I should probably be using wall more proactively
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
AM encourages you heavily to send frequently
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
On top of that, SW does nothing if you've already taken the damage
cosmic wyvern
this is all very helpful btw, thank you
lusty grotto
is wall down? get an external and Spell Reflect for the Damage Reduction
hell spell reflect WITH wall, because youll have it up
since its only 20s cd
cosmic wyvern
I'm pretty much spell reflecting any time it's off cooldown and I see one of the bosses doing something sinister
lusty grotto
and its a free 20% magic damage reduction buff
cosmic wyvern
so all the time
lusty grotto
yeah thats good
pallid quiver
SR's a very strong defensive against magic as a whole
gentle tinsel
Why they gotta nerf the tier set that much. Just let prot be elite
cosmic wyvern
I do know that a part of it is that prot is unfortunately not in a great spot too
pallid quiver
Prot's in the same spot it's been in
cosmic wyvern
I've been leveling my brewmaster just in case next tier's set isn't enough, plus funny alcohol
lusty grotto
Exp and Zskarn just has sustained stackable damage which we're not particularly good against
it has nothing to do with the state of warriors
urban portal
Prot is in more than good enough of a spot to let you clear mythic
lusty grotto
we're more than fine
cosmic wyvern
I guess it's moreso that prot isn't as flexible when it comes to stuff like this
lusty grotto
i mean
cosmic wyvern
probably because plate armor doesn't bend
urban portal
Well considering you aren’t pressing your 40% dr
urban portal
You are just taking more damage
cosmic wyvern
that too, I am kinda poopy
pallid quiver
Most other tanks also have trouble, too, iirc
urban portal
The boss doesn’t have a mech to unbind your shield wall
lusty grotto
what you mention has absolutely nothing to do with anything, cause we're def not in a weak state
pallid quiver
The boss doesn’t have a mech to unbind your shield wall
yo that'd be a funny boss tho
cosmic wyvern
yo that'd be a funny boss tho
boss that randomizes your keybinds every pull
cosmic wyvern
AND is designed in a way that you don't want to hero on pull, so mages/shamans/evokers will ALWAYS accidentally hero too early and get yelled at
lusty grotto
well thats not too bad
to be fair exp is already a fucking terrible fight to be begin with
cosmic wyvern
but with what you're saying about revenge, should I be using it every time I have enough rage rather than pooling for ignore pain
yeah it do kinda suck
lusty grotto
2023 and we're playing the timing game, and mass dispel required
cosmic wyvern
I don't like when they have timers going behind the scenes like that
lusty grotto
first of all, the timing game is a boomer mech
and second of all, as if priests werent required for everything already, you need mass dispel
cosmic wyvern
like "if this boss spawns exactly one second too early, he gets an extra cast of this bad mechanic off because fuck you the timers are always going"
just initialize the goddamn timers when the boss breaks out of his mlp cum jar
lusty grotto
but with what you're saying about revenge, should I be using it every time I hav...
if youre doing your rotation right, you'll barely revenge
like Luerce said
you will have so many SS resets, that revenge doesnt get casted as much
so manage your rage with IP, just when youre about to cap
since its off-gcd you can just press it and immediately SS or TC
do not get rage starved
IP and Revenge shouldnt be used when youre sub 70-80
unless if youre fishing for an SS reset to use VO with, but that's not generally the case
cosmic wyvern
Yeah I kinda don't pay attention to what I use with violent outburst and I probably should
lusty grotto
thats min-maxing for another time
for now focus on managing your rage well, so that your Wall resets quickly
and SS a lot
just so you know i mentioned 6 stacks... but ultimately it will be more feel-crafty by you
start with wall at 6 stacks
cosmic wyvern
so what I've been doing is prioritizing spending my rage on IP to keep it up as much as possible, and only really using revenge during the opener when I'm building a ton of rage. this is terrible, and I should instead be pooling a ton of rage at all times
right?
lusty grotto
but do it before and/or after depending on your damage intake
lusty grotto
so what I've been doing is prioritizing spending my rage on IP to keep it up as ...
no
keeping IP up is not what you should be focusing on
IP is a rage dump
pallid quiver
To give you an idea
cosmic wyvern
ok now I'm confused
pallid quiver
I have zero tracking of IP
lusty grotto
whether its up or not, whether you overwrite it, does not matter
lusty grotto
^
cosmic wyvern
someone just post a super low res gif of someone doing the rotation with rotating pngs and shit
that'll get me to understand
pallid quiver
When your rage economy is optimized, you press it about as often as you are now
cosmic wyvern
give it a caption with a white background that takes up the top 20% of the screen
lusty grotto
over 70 rage and about to cap rage with the next shield slam or tc?
press IP in between global cooldown
thats it
cosmic wyvern
so if I'm under 70 rage, I only spend rage on revenge when tc/ss on cd
and never use ip
lusty grotto
no
cosmic wyvern
also shield block
lusty grotto
so if I'm under 70 rage, I only spend rage on revenge when tc/ss on cd
#protection message go back to this
re-read again, and let me know what you didnt understand about it and ill help out
revenge is not a spammable
anyways brb
cosmic wyvern
so what I'm seeing said here is, don't use revenge very much, but also don't use ignore pain very much, but also be spending rage, but also don't spend rage
pallid quiver
so what I'm seeing said here is, don't use revenge very much, but also don't use...
Your overall thinking, from what I can tell, still instinctively is thinking of Revenge and IP as being mutually exclusive
Your effectively rushing your IP uses
So you press it a whole bunch quickly, but have downtimes of pressing it
When you'll end up pressing it over time often
lusty grotto
let me go back to the log
because if youre not managing your rage correctly, your Wall will not be up as much as you'd need it
and a whole lot of other things
like Avatar
lusty grotto
this is really
REALLY
bad
now my question to you is this
why do you think youre not keeping shield block up?
hint: it has to do with rage probably
and/or awareness of it secondly
cosmic wyvern
I was prioritizing ignore pain because most of the damage is spell damage and not blockable
one of my guildies told me to do this on spell heavy fights, with deios in the megadungeon specifically
but I thought it'd also apply here
lusty grotto
in DF there's no reason why you shouldn't have 100% uptime or close to it
youre losing a lot of shield slam damage
you took 2.21 million raw damage because you didnt have it up
cosmic wyvern
okay
lusty grotto
now why are you prioritizing IP over it?
when you can do both
because youre not managing your rage correctly
cosmic wyvern
because they both cost rage and most of the damage is spell damage
ok I understand that I'm not managing rage correctly but I don't entirely understand what that means
lusty grotto
you can do both
both cost rage though
so if your rage management is no bueno
you wont be able to use both
you are get rage capped or starved a lot
press IP, refresh your SB
but never go below 30 rage
you want to save it in case you need to refresh your SB
and never be 100 rage for that long
you want to be using it
cosmic wyvern
do you happen to know of a weakaura that'll keep track of shield block's remaining duration and yell at me or something if it's about to go poof
lusty grotto
otherwise Anger Management does nothing for you
warm plinth
you want to be using it
I want to be using you
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
do you happen to know of a weakaura that'll keep track of shield block's remaini...
theres a few around Wago
im not sure about yelling
but you can probably edit it in
cosmic wyvern
maybe like loud metal pipe falling or fart with extra reverb
warm plinth
Those were very specific requests
lusty grotto
anyway in summary
you always want to be using rage, but to do so you cannot starve yourself
at a bare minimum, you want your rage to be ping-pong'ing between 30 rage and 70-80
at all times
but that also means you need to keep SB up
and use IP when youre about to cap (so you dont hit 100 rage)
again, IP uptime does not matter
with that much rage youre generating, if you look at the what i linked, you should be constantly applying those 2
so thats why i said you can do both
pallid quiver
one of my guildies told me to do this on spell heavy fights, with deios in the m...
Do note that is bad advice; you need ways to spend your rage when you're playing properly
lusty grotto
that is terrible advice
cosmic wyvern
I kinda wish there were more high-level prot warriors, I can never find just current mythic boss kills/attempts on youtube from the pov of a prot warrior
feel like that'd help
pallid quiver
lusty grotto
chain nuking bosses
cosmic wyvern
tbf chrono-lord deios is kinda that
lusty grotto
and that no longer applies cause you have spell block
cosmic wyvern
his melee does next to nothing and his breath chunks
lusty grotto
which requires you to SHIELD BLOCK
pallid quiver
You still need Shield Block up if you're going to use spell block
Which can (sorta) help on Mega Dungeon Deios
lusty grotto
no, deios is not like that
cosmic wyvern
honestly either that fight is just a bit punishing for prot warriors specifically or I'm just particularly bad at it
lusty grotto
if youre dying to deios its cause youre also not managing your wall
and your dps sucks
pallid quiver
^^^
pallid quiver
Adds hurt a lot
lusty grotto
dps players, i mean
if your dps party members arent absolutely deleting portal keepers
you will die
the breath alone shouldn't kill you
portal keepers with breath will
lusty grotto
as long as he has wall and/or SR lol
now... that is another story for high tyrannical next season, but we will see if they tune that shit properly
which reminds me
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-warrior/1671751/38 make sure you heart this
and/or add your feedback replying to that topic
pallid quiver
I'll make sure to say it's working as intended
lusty grotto
cosmic wyvern
I watched sense's video on that fight on mythic and he seems to be having the exact same issues I am
pallid quiver
And compare that to yours:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y9z4ZdHbRCT7mrg3#fight=18&source=22&type=resources&spell=101
He's generating a lot more rage in barely more time
And this is one of his earlier logs for the fight
When he was 435 ilvl
cosmic wyvern
it seems like he's using revenge as soon as he has enough rage for it
pallid quiver
He's pressing SS a lot more than you, and pretty much;
Revenge resets SS, which gives you rage
mighty valley
You should always be pressing a rotational button, shouldn't ever skip a GCD
shield slam > thunderclap > revenge
pallid quiver
So like I mentioned, it's SS > TC > Revenge
mighty valley
don't be afraid to revenge, don't need to wait for a proc or anything
pallid quiver
Which leads to more SS presses, for more rage
lusty grotto
sense also walled 3 times in the link luerce posted
you walled once in the one i saw
cosmic wyvern
is there a certain duration remaining on sb that's most optimal for refreshing or is it just more generally keeping at least one charge rolling at all times
lusty grotto
a few seconds before it fades is fine
pallid quiver
It's also possible that you'll just send charges during CDs because using Revenge and IP aren't using all your rage, so you just need a rage dump at all; when playing well, you'll have a major abundance of uptime in raid encounters, so
You can also stack SB up to three times its duration, with Bolster being extra past cap
somebody tank my warlock alt's doti run plz i'm tired of finding tanks every boss
and healers
and dps
cosmic wyvern
damn that's a lot of things I'm doing wrong, is there anything I'm doing right at this point lmao
lusty grotto
well did your healer leave?
cosmic wyvern
thank you tho, it's definitely a lot to improve on
pallid quiver
We found one
lusty grotto
is tyr dead or alive
pallid quiver
Alive
lusty grotto
cause you will lose that healer asap after tyr
pallid quiver
most likely, ye
lusty grotto
since tyr drops the healer trinket and iridikron drops cheat death
lusty grotto
ah shit im locked i forgot i ran my friends 410 ilvl alts that couldnt fucking kill shit on last boss for the life of them
also we had a very bad healer that couldnt do heal checks
pallid quiver
About the average for doti
lusty grotto
hmm
lusty grotto
damn that's a lot of things I'm doing wrong, is there anything I'm doing right a...
focus on rage management so your Anger Management resets your wall, and use those walls often at high-ish stacks
and remember to shield slam a lot
because it shortens the CD of Wall as well with Impenetrable Wall
cosmic wyvern
I do think I have been shield slamming whenever it's off cd, but I may be delaying it like half a second or so when I shouldn't be
lusty grotto
yeah
more than likely you may be, but youre constantly rage capped or starved which you shouldn't be
that is, its contributing to the cap
anyway you are doing something right, stack management wasn't really bad
cosmic wyvern
idk why i would be rage capped, maybe I'm just not paying attention to my rage because of things like trying to swap with my cotank when we've become separated due to those stupid aoes
I wish there was a weakaura or something to make markers bigger or more obvious
since this fight has so much clutter it's sometimes hard to see the tank markers
lusty grotto
thats actually a fair point
i recommend using an atomic recalibrator and turning yourself and your VDH into taurens
and having everyone else turn into smaller races
it helps
cosmic wyvern
but that is likely why I may be underperforming when it comes to rage management, we're honestly not the most coordinated group of players lol
lusty grotto
and remember, if you cant find your other tank, and they are actively tanking, you'd be safe by just running in front of boss since boss should be facing the active tank anyway
cosmic wyvern
it's pretty much only an issue when 2 bosses are up
since sometimes they just become separated due to "I'm just gonna stand here and cast for five seconds" mechanics
lusty grotto
its a dogshit fight man
cosmic wyvern
or the first boss's dash, or the third one's breath, or having to move out of the dispel circles but one of us goes one way and the other goes the other way
lusty grotto
thats also one of the reasons why it is so bad
cosmic wyvern
yeah I do not like this fight very much
but I can't blame the fight when I'm making so many fundamental mistakes
lusty grotto
i mean zskarn is painful as hell, but at least you can understand whats going on
cosmic wyvern
I unfortunately don't see us making it to zskarn before the tier is over
this is further than we usually get in mythic though so who knows, maybe next tier we'll get a bit further
lusty grotto
also holy fuck you guys have 4 augs
cosmic wyvern
yeah we have a few evokers
lusty grotto
i hope youre being perma'd scaled
kinda doesnt seem like it
yep i knew it
well its not like that will help much anyway
cosmic wyvern
actually hold on, I wonder
here's logs from a week where we did the first 3 bosses of mythic and the last 2 of heroic, do I have those same issues with management and the like
it might be worsened by experiments being dogshit
cosmic wyvern
might be during the time where the boss is below 33% but an add is still up
since he takes no damage during that time
specifically when the add isn't attackable yet or in between adds
since we outgear that fight by quite a bit he usually ends up hitting that shield point between the 2nd and 3rd add
lusty grotto
that doesnt mean you shouldnt use rage
lusty grotto
yup
also you have 67% blocked melee hits
which is bad once again
so a lot of what we saw in M Exp is in that Heroic Echo
its ok, now that you know whats wrong you can only get better 🙂
cosmic wyvern
I see
So the shield block uptime and rage management are the two major issues I should work on
lusty grotto
and remember to wall on high stacks
dont wall if youre gonna clear though
or actually idk, that might be more depending on how you see it
and remember if no wall a good external like sac, barkskin or GS are great
i closed the logs so i dont remember which healers you have lol
cosmic wyvern
I am gonna go to bed now but just making sure: you said no sporecloak right?
Because I do definitely think I should swap off of voice but I don’t see how swapping it for sporecloak would be a detriment
cosmic wyvern
My GM is pretty insistent that sporecloak would be useful for me
urban portal
If you feel like you need spore after fixing all this
Then go ahead
Sporecloak will let you live 2-3 more autos
lusty grotto
sporecloak is def not worth on us
get a prophetic scales instead maybe
but also dont use VoSS on progression and def not in mythic +
halcyon pasture
whats the stats break down for Prot? something like 20/40/20/20?
cosmic wyvern
Idk what my stats are but my haste is definitely above 50
lusty grotto
good
cosmic wyvern
I was told to just stack haste and ignore stupid things like “diminishing returns” or “stat caps” or “stats that aren’t haste”
halcyon pasture
so dont stack vers?
cosmic wyvern
HASTE
lusty grotto
ultimately it doesnt matter
but yes haste above all things
versa is 🤷, but honestly it doesnt matter
crit parses way higher until you hit a specific point anyway
cosmic wyvern
Why specifically is sporecloak bad
warm plinth
@sick sentinel I did 69k just for you
lusty grotto
because it'll take an embelish slot, and it wont stop you from dying lol
cosmic wyvern
Is it better to have two shadowflame patches
jagged gust
I'd like to know why sporecloak is so good for monks tho
warm plinth
Sporecloak isn't good for anyone unless you need sporecloak
Which is a lot less people than how many actually use it
jagged gust
It's like the #2 embellish I see on logs for monks
Unless I'm bad at reading and it's only #2 because everyone else is running double shadowflame
urban portal
I'd like to know why sporecloak is so good for monks tho
Well monk can get more healing from it with their crit interaction
And monk doesn’t get bursted they just bleed out with a lot of stagger
But they are the squishiest tank
So spore helps with that
winter marlin
warrior doesn't benefit from sporecloak because our tanking profile is rooted in a fortress of hp layered with mitigation
if you need to survive a hit for 1m dmg, you pop last stand and survive the hit or you don't. non-extreme damage you mitigate to 0 via shield block and/or ignore pain, anything inbetween you mitigate as low as you can and heal back up via multiple methods
sporecloak or any cheat death that i'm aware of do not stop you from death touches which are effectively the only things potentially killing you if you're playing correctly. we don't really take rot damage
i don't know much about monks but i know they "stagger" their damage ala spread it over a period of time, so i could see sporecloak helping in a couple different ways there but that is completely different profile than warrior
like you'll never see a bear wearing a sporecloak either
anyway i came here to see, how are prot warriors looking in 10.2? trying to figure out which spec of each role i want to get un-rusty on. prolly running disc for heals, rogue / feral or trusty warlock for dps, i figure bears are gonna be neutered..prot warrior's relatively untouched still right?
vital oak
In my opinion it's still too early to tell. The veng changes aren't even out yet, perhaps they will end up top tier. Tuning hasn't happened. Too much can change before release to really know.
pallid quiver
Prot War's looking about as it has all xpac. Strong, struggles against bleeds and magic dots
vital oak
Depends on what level you're playing at then. Any class will easily tank AOTC and M+ at 20s, do you need more than that?
pallid quiver
Just about anything else, no issue
Of note is utility technically go down due to rally nerf
winter marlin
Primo @pallid quiver , and naw probably not Hayden.
i'm considering going back into mythic raiding soon but not as a tank
vital oak
All raid cds are nerfed, unfortunatly that's really the extent of our utility.
pallid quiver
And if a magic dot is important enough, Blizz may bless use to be able to spell block it
Like they did with Sark
vital oak
Primo <@111288222750924800> , and naw probably not Hayden.
In that case, it doesn't matter too much. Maybe if you're pugging it will be easier as fotm but I would pick what's more fun to play.
pallid quiver
We probably won't be meta, since there's nothing for streamers/popular crew to hype us over
winter marlin
Cool, I'm looking for anti-meta going forward
Tired of Blizzard so much as batting an eye towards anything I play that works
cause it doesn't matter why they look at it, it breaks lol
pallid quiver
Hell, even when we were considered meta, we didn't even receive any meaningful changes
vital oak
War is fun, imo. Charging in and good snap threat. Good defensives and and active playstyle without being convoluted like brew.
pallid quiver
and prot pally was better even before their rework at that point
winter marlin
Yeah I've enjoyed war so far up to this point
vital oak
Prot pally is great but I don't want to be a healer.
winter marlin
bear is wicked right now i mean we can't lie but
it's gonna get killed. prot pally was fun too but
vital oak
Bear and War play very similarly to me. Both are fun.
winter marlin
i've been able to count on my war the entire time
proper roost
Dang that owns
i'm usually able to count on any class I play, at least up to 100 or so, after that I get a little lost
never thought class choice really mattered for doing maths tbh
but i guess i'm just built diffy that way
urban portal
War is a lot tankier vs magic next patch
jagged gust
I can't wait to be able to stack a bit of vers and not feel guilty about it again
blazing condor
warm plinth
The only time it's ever been a good idea to stack vers is when you could also stack vers corruptions so that you got to dumb levels of vers.
jagged pier
I can't wait to be able to stack a bit of vers and not feel guilty about it agai...
No idea where you get this from
blazing condor
heroic throwing the racing snails in Neltharions lair to keep anvil up
ive won but at what cost
jagged pier
U can just use it between pulls
blazing condor
was on cd
jagged pier
F
blazing condor
idek why im tryna play this late into the patch
all i do is complain nowdays
but im losing my mind
jagged pier
I did say to not come back u dont even seem to be playing with your friends
vital oak
BG3? was worth a playthrough.
jagged pier
Yes
proper roost
addiction players lul
blazing condor
wasted life
lusty tiger
jagged pier
Monka
blazing condor
dragon scimitar mouse > all of those
winter marlin
Yo I feel that vibe comptely though
I've got like an alt of every class at 430-440, hell I even started building up on other servers
and the only one that i actually enjoy playing rn is my bear
so either hardd burnout or they really did strip the shit out of every class (it feels like)
mm hunter random bgs can relieve some tension though lol
warm plinth
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proper roost
same
warm plinth
Sorry that was Luigi saying hi
proper roost
kitty
blazing condor
hi luigi
blazing condor
i wonder what the rationale was with tanks have Vengeance back in MoP
when you had bosses like 4th boss in HoF where you could crit 10 million+
arctic marten
When fighting exactly one target, and I have Violent Outburst available, but Shield Slam is on cooldown, and Thunder Clap is available, do I wait for Shield Slam, or just cast Thunder Clap?
vital oak
I'm not an expert but can you revenge and fish for a ss reset?
blazing condor
shouldnt take more than a sec or two to get ur SS
maiden nimbus
What’s usually the decision to use revenge?
I usually hit it if:
SS and TC are on cooldown, and I have a big ignore pain shield already, and I have ~50+ rage or the free proc.
Is that generally how to work it in?
pallid quiver
What’s usually the decision to use revenge?
I usually hit it if:
SS and TC are...
You just send on Revenge; you shouldn't have to be choosing between IP or Revenge, and you should be able to fill every GCD with something
If you're overcomitting on IP, you even lose out on rage overall, since IP doesn't refresh SS like Revenge
maiden nimbus
Okay thanks. I took your advice yesterday and payed more attention to SS and TC usage and my CPM and rage generated shot up. Which left me a lot of wasted rage, like you said lol. So I figured my revenge is IP usage was probably off. I’ll have to use way more often to fill some of the GCDs
gloomy vortex
quick question, Zskarn bombs apaprently are physical dmg can this be shield blocked?
jagged pier
no
gloomy vortex
so only thing we can do if we taking them is to use IP and SW
jagged pier
pretty much
gloomy vortex
kk ty
hardy snow
ahh, they dont do cool shields nowadays 
blazing condor
you can still play that shield
sick sentinel
Memories 
strong forum
i wonder what the rationale was with tanks have Vengeance back in MoP
To get tanks to play the game, also threat
blazing condor
i mean sure but when you can be 600k dps above the actual dps its a bit silly lol
pallid quiver
no it was good
strong forum
Bad dps player 🤷♂️
pallid quiver
encourage me to stand in more shit to do more damage
sick sentinel
Dps just doesn't press buttons
pallid quiver
I will eat every last mechanic
waxen frigate
i mean sure but when you can be 600k dps above the actual dps its a bit silly lo...
TFW I’m still significantly above at least 1 Dps in most keys I pug 
blazing condor
ive been 2nd damage for the past 4 keys ive done
pallid quiver
I was #1 DPS in raid last night 🙂
blazing condor
and im only doing like 90-100k
pallid quiver
Pug raids
jagged pier
i mean sure but when you can be 600k dps above the actual dps its a bit silly lo...
why im the most threatening person to the boss i should do the most damage
jagged pier
exactly
pallid quiver
Okay thanks. I took your advice yesterday and payed more attention to SS and TC ...
Also, I left for work before you responded, but glad to hear. Always nice to see people improving
I always think of it as the person who is the most capable of controlling the enemy, and if they were to stop addressing you, you'd gettem
strong forum
Bosses are stupid for attacking the tank, they should focus the healers smh
blazing condor
honestly
strong forum
blazing condor
bosses shouldnt attack in general
jagged pier
true and based
blazing condor
they know damn well we just respawn
blazing condor
its just sisyphus
strong forum
Dormammu I've come to bargain
blazing condor
then again the bosses are balling during progress
a whole week 200 wipes and still living
south zealot
only 200?
inland raft
Blizz adds real ai to the game and raids become unclearable because bosses just go after healers then the dps while ignoring tanks until the end
pallid quiver
Dormammu I've come to bargain
Mega off topic, but I can't ever hear about Dormammu and not think about Marvel vs Capcom 3.
Now that's a good video game
proper roost
ur face is a nice video game
blazing condor
🥀
blazing condor
been playing the same talent preset (and switching manually) all xpac but now switched to a preset between fights
forgot that doing that shit fucks up the keybinds and bars like crazy
blazing condor
do u know where
blazing condor
thank
sweet summit
🫡
toxic pewter
Just got back from a week away. Wat I miss
blazing condor
nothing really
sweet summit
game is still dead gg
jagged pier
no
toxic pewter
Ok
sweet summit
what the
toxic pewter
O_O
proper roost
👁️ 👄 👁️
toxic pewter
You’re a weird dude
proper roost
suffer
toxic pewter
But you do you, remember the karma is only thing you own in this life
sweet summit
not for long 😈
toxic pewter
When you look inward long enough you come to realize certain truths
proper roost
look into deez
toxic pewter
I hope you can attain more wisdom in this life
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
You’re a weird dude
we are a chat room centered around role playing as a midevil knight who focuses on using his shield to protect their allies against dragons and ghosts, 98% of the people in this chat are weird dudes
lusty grotto
lol jordan got named dropped in bellular's death of m+ video
sick sentinel
tbf, battlefield i also enjoy, the players on that are the same as wow but more aggressive and homophobic, racist etc overall
lusty grotto
F for jordan
sick sentinel
war games and that shit literal goes hand in hand though
sick sentinel
lol jordan got named dropped in bellular's death of m+ video
yeah, thier* tweeters, i saw that
lusty grotto
ya
sudden sable
Would really like to test on PTR but this ignore pain bug not being addressed is a huge downer.
lusty grotto
i posted in the feedback thread
heart it up or add your reply
they usually reply to those, at least
sudden sable
On the bright side, was able to do 22 WCM with the bug lol
I've added a post on that same thread already but I will do as you suggest.
sick sentinel
prepare your "use immmunity button before this boss" macro for witches fight everyone
wheat musk
cheers, one quickl question, if you dont mind, are the bombs of zskarn spell blockable? not reflect, but spell block, the talent that gives me the ability to block spells for 30 seconds
lusty grotto
cheers, one quickl question, if you dont mind, are the bombs of zskarn spell blo...
no
wheat musk
thx a lot
sick sentinel
if hunter, of paladin are the worst offenders, get hit with MC and they have bubble/turtle ready to use
the AI will use those abilities like, fuckin immediately
proper roost
cheers, one quickl question, if you dont mind, are the bombs of zskarn spell blo...
Neither SR nor spblock works on them because they do pure phys damage, upfront and dot
Only thing you can do is pool rage before you eat them and IP
(and other cds)
sick sentinel
so thats a full 10 second time loss often cuz 1 mc player cant remove it with macro/click, 2 you cant hit that player whiuch is intended to remove it, 3, cant hit witch
cerulean tusk
Make turtle breakable by shattering throw 
sick sentinel
that involves me talenting out of something else to take it 😦
and binding it, even if your proposed fixed was real
but, that cast happens average of 2 times on that fight
typically about 2 passes of each which before they are all dying/dead
inland raft
wtb faction change discount so can go dwarf for the superior looks
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
oof we havent heard that one before
sick sentinel
peace is nice even extended peace but THE CORE IF THE GME IS ABOUT WAR AND BIG SWEATY MEN BEATING SHIT OUTA EACHOTHER FOR SURVIVAL
lusty grotto
yes yes we def havent heard that one before
every single time someone starts with "the game is called world of WARcraft"
every single time
lol
absolutely 0 variation
its always the same thing
lusty grotto
well thats your opinion
and the opinion of every single person that starts to say something with "its called world of WARcraft..."
turns out its bad to segregate the player base, who knew
sick sentinel
i think my opinion is fact if players are quitting or stopping playing.
🤔
we have numbers about it
like, some of it is expected, planned even
jagged pier
world of warcraft yet we've worked together since vanilla
lusty grotto
that has no relevance, yogi
jagged pier
KEKW
daring marlin
@lusty grotto @sick sentinel https://youtube.com/shorts/eduzwwVTg2U?si=SHlGXg9nQ_fZU3Bt
sick sentinel
The only winning move is not to play.
cerulean tusk
You do know the fsction war is done, ya. Horde is now s council state of peace ☮️ alliance got no army, so must pursue peace ☮️
We all agreed to peace ☮️
sick sentinel
ya ya
jagged pier
we joined together for AQ, we join together to take on illidan, we joined together to stop the lich king, we joined together to defeat deathwing, we joined together to stop garrosh, etc etc
need i go on
sick sentinel
you're already dead! - talking to the scientist
ya, i seen the movie, AI bad
hal 9000 i cant allow you to do that dave
lusty grotto
yeah who knew playing with friends regardless of faction was a good thing on a multiplayer game
jagged pier
then why is the game dead 
sick sentinel
welcome to the aperture research facility.
lusty grotto
for real for real
sick sentinel
like, i know all about the computer movies lmao
sick sentinel
if you don't got war in your warcraft wtf do you got? my littelest garden simulator?
toxic pewter
why is rallying cry being nerfed, did I miss something
sick sentinel
HULK FUCKIN HOGAN
sick sentinel
under taker, bush whackers earth quake and yokozuna and ultimate warrior
toxic pewter
what else was nerfed
urban portal
Prot tier got nerfed a bit
lusty grotto
everything that can be considered a group wide defensive pretty much
toxic pewter
i see
lusty grotto
unfortunately for us, and other classes that have very little utility, the hit affects us harder kind of
daring marlin
yogipostin'
lusty grotto
i just said why
daring marlin
it's time yogi
sick sentinel
i don't understand
urban portal
Yogi has selective listening
sick sentinel
i could always just continue playing prot warrior maybe
i want to finish all of the profession stuff avialable to that guy at very least, just a few old world expansions away
i'd do it cuz could craft basically any smith thing
sick sentinel
bazooka trumps orange weapon
daring marlin
So you're not only quitting prot but wow as a whole?
sick sentinel
Bombs are great!
sick sentinel
So you're not only quitting prot but wow as a whole? <:critcake:9845498325113446...
based
jagged pier
mmos are cringe
based
sick sentinel
Just play single player games like Elden Ring or BG3
chilly brook
Mmos are fun
Problem is people force themselves to play when they don’t want to
Don’t do that to yourself
daring marlin
Just play single player games like Elden Ring or BG3
B B B B B B B B BAAAAAAAAASED
daring marlin
true and real
cerulean tusk
Yea, you should do that. Also, do remember to get admin and delete all the WoW servers on discord you are in
sick sentinel
If I was admin of Skyhold, there would be no Skyhold
inland raft
Win the powerball a few times buy activision and shut down wow for all of us
sick sentinel
I can't comprehend what kitty said
daring marlin
Me either. That was sus.
proper roost
b
sick sentinel
a
daring marlin
n
sick sentinel
a
strong forum
🍌
sick sentinel
My job is to ruin things
daring marlin
that bread would make killer french toast
chilly brook
https://tenor.com/view/bread-fall-bread-falling-meme-no-contest-gif-26567747
SMH you callin me white bread now?
desert grail
Yo what did you guys bind the new ping system to? I have it on alt+middle mouse click but curious of others.
blazing condor
i just have it on middle mouse
only annoying part is that it pings when i try to close whisper tabs
lusty grotto
i just put it on a weird key that i wont accidentally press
strong forum
I disabled it
lusty grotto
its not something you will use a lot so whatever
desert grail
i just have it on middle mouse
thats my set mouseover focus
lusty grotto
and if you do use it a lot, stop being a ping spammer
daring marlin
I disabled it
BASED
chilly brook
and if you do use it a lot, stop being a ping spammer
Idk it’s a good feature
desert grail
yea i dont think ive ever used it other than pinging an auto hammer in raid or telling people to bait cragmaw charge lol. ill probably move it to a more annoying bind like ctrl+alt middle mouse. alt middle mouse is a good bind
lusty grotto
Idk it’s a good feature
it is
chilly brook
It’ll get used a lot more as time goes on
chilly brook
Much easier to use it than mark something mid combat tbh
desert grail
G is my charge anyway
G is my impending. no shot people had G as a free bind before this lol its a banger bind
chilly brook
World markers serve a different purpose
chilly brook
World markers=perma marks for positioning
chilly brook
Gotcha
chilly brook
Ping just a better instantaneous way to either say go here, fine tune movement or tell people to kill/pay attention to a mob
warm plinth
G is my charge anyway
I see you're a man of culture
blazing condor
mouse 5 is charge for me 
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
yeah i mostly use G for gap closers or movement abilities if thats not the case
sick sentinel
daring marlin
horsey
desert grail
MB4 Charge MB5 Leap Alt MB4 Intervene
blazing condor
got backpedal on G and strafes bound as well but move with mouse
blazing condor
had a razer naga first like 8 years so got used to the 3-row buttons
lusty grotto
i dont use mmo mice
blazing condor
but had to stop using it cus it fucked my thumb so i just rebound it to keybaord
sick sentinel
there is something deeply satisfying about battlefield that you just cant get from other games
like, your just doing your thing capturin a base
and then a giant metal fuckin tank apc comes in
unloads 4 dudes
destroys the house your in
blazing condor
p sure u can get that daily if you go to Ukraine
chilly brook
There hasn’t been a good battlefield game since 2013
lusty grotto
the current one is great now
sick sentinel
i wasn't fat enough for the reddit army
sick sentinel
and i didnt drink enough mtn dew
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
probably better i didn't join redditor army to fight in ukrain
desert grail
this are mine with just a g pro superlight fps mouse
lusty grotto
there wasn't ever a bad one except hard line 2 i think it was and 2042
like i said, its not bad anymore
it was bad at launch
2042
but for the most part its very playable now
lusty grotto
yeah i dont, cause they will fuck it up
sick sentinel
all they have to do for 2142 is take the game exactly as it is now, and change the graphics to be the exact same but nicer
maybe change some maps for balance
chilly brook
its just people wanted modern ones like 2, 3 and 4
2013 last good battlefield
lusty grotto
nay
sick sentinel
bf3 and 4 were good
cosmic wyvern
THIS IS NOT PROTECTION WARRIOR RELATED
BACK TO TALKING ABOUT HOW HASTE IS THE ONLY GOOD STAT
strong forum
Based true and Real
lusty grotto
jagged pier
can we not talk about somthing fun?
cosmic wyvern
HASTE IS FUN
uneven mason
I'm sorry
daring marlin
THIS IS NOT PROTECTION WARRIOR RELATED
lusty grotto
snoop da best
lusty grotto
i think i was colonel ... 20? 24?
jagged pier
touch some grass
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
37, i was farther than i thought
this is why i got so far, 12 god damn service stars MBT
lusty grotto
🤷
i dont really use vehicles a whole lot
kinda 25/75
25% on vehicles
75% on foot
sick sentinel
the tank is bf3 is extremely overpowered
frost shock levels
does everything but fly and swim
daring marlin
P O T A T O E S
waxen frigate
i dont remember my login but pull up Nexavus
sick sentinel
wasnt super sucesful on that front
sick sentinel
thats not too bad, you played it for at least 1 full round i see
sick sentinel
no, as you might imagine, i tended to go with over powered weapon (tank, hard to die in tank) and pepega weapons mostly
strong forum
i despise vehicular combat
sick sentinel
it can be fun when done right
battlefield tank is only scary until someone goes tank killer and kills it
strong forum
nah, it literally just aint
strong forum
i think i mostly played rush and squad rush
sick sentinel
each of the 4 classes counters eachother is what it is, but they are also dependant upon eachother to win
cosmic wyvern
I love how everyone I see has either no ui addons or some weird convoluted ui that is apparently optimized perfectly for their spec and I'm just like
hehe smetrical
blazing condor
balls johnson
blazing condor
ashen coral
Hello guys, I am struggling recently to time underrot because of spiders who kill dps, how do you manage the pack just before the second boss ?
strong forum
never pull more than 1 bloodswarmer at a time
and hardfocus them
thats your limitation in 2nd boss room
ashen coral
That’s what I try usually but I end up do small pulls by small pulls and not time it eventually
strong forum
thats then just a dps issue
ashen coral
I suppose it’s unskippable
warm plinth
and hardfocus them
No, that's not how you do it Nome. You pull 2 at a time, and make sure to have your DPS stand 80 yards away so you can never hit them 👍
strong forum
you gotta clear the entire room
sick sentinel
maggot has to die first then flower, main target for ranged and healer is the bat spider
warm plinth
Maggot isn't dangerous, neither is the lasher
strong forum
once a bloodswarmer has died, you can just keep on chaining
warm plinth
The only danger in that entire room is the bloodswarmers.
sick sentinel
maggot is dangerous for pugs
strong forum
the entire 2nd boss area is basically just 1 huge long pull
sick sentinel
good groups you stun it and it doesnt ever cast or you just avoid it
sick sentinel
but, some players stand in fire right
strong forum
you add the 2nd swarmer whenever the first swarmer dies
and once pull 1 is kinda dead you start chaining into 3
once 3 is dead
cosmic wyvern
i feel like i cant see anything
tf you mean you cant see anything, the center of the screen is completely emptyy
strong forum
its all too large
sick sentinel
show him yours by comparison
strong forum
sick sentinel
ya
strong forum
this my beauty
cosmic wyvern
what the fuck
ashen coral
Oh you pull the skulls for the 4th spider it’s a good idea
warm plinth
How big is your monitor Yogg?
cosmic wyvern
How big is your monitor Yogg?
shit hold on let me get the ruler
like 1 ft high and 2.75ish feet wide
cosmic wyvern
where the fuck is your chat
strong forum
bottom left
cosmic wyvern
also activate windows
strong forum
no
warm plinth
He's European, they don't activate windows
sick sentinel
activate windows is personal fuck off choice imo
cosmic wyvern
@hallow ridgegates this mf didnt pay for windows
sick sentinel
if person wants to not activate windows, so be it
strong forum
<@226752885080195076>gates this mf didnt pay for windows
its OEM copy, i did pay but hardware upgrade es no bueno
sick sentinel
who am i to say u have to
cosmic wyvern
why did that ping some mf named bill I specifically didnt want that
warm plinth
I feel like normally that happens when people change hardware and cba to contact support to change it over since it never works how they say it should.
warm plinth
I've had to contact support every time I did a change to get mine to activate, even though I follow all their login instructions and shit
sick sentinel
will be fantastic when going into future all the basic settings players use will be saved to cloud i hope
settings for the base ui has to be like maybe im not sure 100kb 1 mb
strong forum
I've had to contact support every time I did a change to get mine to activate, e...
whenever i try to activate it it says go do trouble shoot and then it just times out
or failed to connect to microsoft server
warm plinth
You can just talk to their live chat and they'll fix it usually in like 2 mins
strong forum
so im like cba man
warm plinth
The automated process legit never works for me
cosmic wyvern
I also kinda have not great eyesight so that ui would probably be really bad for my eyes
strong forum
i mean obv
to each their own
a UI is entirely personal
but my UI size shrunk more and more
the more i got used to it
my BFA UI was like 3x as big
despite less weakauras
sick sentinel
if u had a 4k tv i would hook it up to that and play on that
cosmic wyvern
Your ui was in the pool 😔
sick sentinel
i dunno what ur set up is at all tho
strong forum
Your ui was in the pool 😔
left out in the sun for too long
warm plinth
strong forum
i hate these panels man
warm plinth
I'm colorblind; I need them for the contrast
strong forum
oh
final mist
is that DEFAULT PLATER
final mist
cosmic wyvern
I just don't like UIs with all the abilitiy icons clumped up together
final mist
I don't like UIs that have 90% of the things a lot of people have
The less the UI exists, the better IMO
strong forum
i dont think you can reduce it alot more than what i have
besides making certain CDs literally only show up when on CD
cosmic wyvern
well like back to mine then, what do you think should be removed here
strong forum
but that quickly turns into clutter as prot
cosmic wyvern
(that box on the right above the chat isnt normally there, I accidentally moused over someone when taking a screenshot)
strong forum
actions bars on the left and right can be hidden and only show on mouseover
then remove targetoftargetoftarget
then made every button smaller
final mist
well like back to mine then, what do you think should be removed here
what works for you works for you, but it's like
strong forum
make dps meter smaller
final mist
weirdly large
strong forum
thats what i would do, it wouldnt even affect your performance
it just frees up screen space
cosmic wyvern
the dps meter changes size whenever I feel like changing its size tbh, sometimes I just drag it around
idk why it's that big rn
sudden sable
well like back to mine then, what do you think should be removed here
Literally all your buttons are hidden on my UI. Got yourself a quality WeakAura and hide the bloat.
final mist
Here's mine out-of-combat (the health/action bars are hidden when I do not have a target); ideally the DPS meters and stat text aren't there/smaller but I stream and people are weird
WAs for bosses and buffs are above my HP bar and also only necessary things to track
cosmic wyvern
I dont particularly like having a lot of space below my action bars
final mist
Ex. Not much more point in tracking buffs that aren't these
cosmic wyvern
since nothing really takes place below there in the game
it fees like wasted space
i might also just be a bit autistic tho
although that should be obvious, this is a prot warrior discord
sudden sable
How do you know if there's a freehold rat trap behind you as you back step? 😅
We all degens here 🤷♂️
final mist
^
strong forum
most people dont even care about UIs
final mist
What works for me doesn't work for most people
strong forum
i just like it cuz it looks good
final mist
Like I don't show any combat text at all because it's just clutter to me, but lots of people like seeing big number in the moment
final mist
Amen
jagged pier
How do you know if there's a freehold rat trap behind you as you back step? 😅
u use your eyes
strong forum
i like the feedback of what youre actually hitting/for how much and especially if youre hitting into something with a DR or immunity youre not aware off
sudden sable
I keep the floating combat text on but have it filtered to not show small numbers. Those juicy shield slams for 250k+ though? I wanna know about those.