🙂
#protection
strong forum
waxen frigate
And that’s after it got nerfed 🙂
gilded juniper
How much slower would leveling through DF as prot be than fury? With PVP on
coral kayak
Is there a tldr on the new tier changes ? Good , bad ?
lusty grotto
or before because we had glad stance in MoP
waxen frigate
How much slower would leveling through DF as prot be than fury? With PVP on
Probably faster
Less downtime
gilded juniper
I would just expect everything to die slower
lusty grotto
youd be wrong
waxen frigate
thank nish, hope they listen to you instead of me
I am 3999 after all
waxen frigate
I would just expect everything to die slower
Not really
Maybe very slightly but you make up for it by being able to pull more at once
slow pawn
IN what world was rallying cry too stronk
lusty tiger
@strong forum is there a build possible in 10.2 that can near 100% SW uptime?
slow pawn
Hows prot looking with tier set overall ST and aoe and durability for ptr
lusty grotto
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is there a build possible in 10.2 that can near 100% SW up...
Wat
lusty tiger
Just curious
strong forum
Bro you can't even reach 20% SW uptime
lusty tiger
Even with io?
waxen frigate
I can
lusty tiger
Dead game
waxen frigate
With bleed support
lusty tiger
Nish reported for hacks
strong forum
SW is a 1min CD and 8sec buff
lusty tiger
No more 2x shield wall?
warm plinth
We never ran 2x Shield Wall 🤔
waxen frigate
We never ran 2x Shield Wall 🤔
Some fights in VotI did I thought
strong forum
Double SW was never recommended
lusty tiger
I’m not saying to run 2x shield wall
Not saying in a viable sense
Just if I so wanted to
waxen frigate
Oh my cotank was just bad 
lusty tiger
How much sw uptime could I attain
warm plinth
idk, how long is the SW from IO?
strong forum
Oh my cotank was just bad <:weird:718676218500874320>
It was good on broodmother
4sec
lusty tiger
O yeah u replace the wall
strong forum
You get 4sec SW from pressing avatar
lusty tiger
Frick
waxen frigate
It was good on broodmother
Boss or adds
lusty tiger
Well eventually you had to tank the boss
strong forum
Boss or adds
Boss
waxen frigate
Well ya
strong forum
And p2 aswell iirc
lusty tiger
Ye I always liked it for p2
strong forum
There's 1 breakpoint where back to back wall really strong
warm plinth
So assuming 35 sec CD on Avatar and 1 min on Shield Wall, then every 3 minutes you could have 24 seconds from SW and 20 seconds from IO, which would be ~24.4% uptime I guess?
strong forum
Somewhere around p2 start
opaque vine
Does deep wounds overwrite itself with new applications or does it roll the dot similar to ignite?
waxen frigate
warm plinth
It overwrites itself
warm plinth
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
stop dying 4Head
strong forum
Should roll the dot
Otherwise you'd lose deep wounds dmg every Auto attack
And rend dmg with every TC
Rend pandemics
waxen frigate
stop dying 4Head
opaque vine
Isn’t that like awful for the tier set atm? Atm SS is removing the entire dot to only deal 40%. Rend is whatever because you insta-reapply it. If you build a deep wound and consume entire bleed for only 40%, isn’t the 2 set a st dps loss then?
lusty grotto
can alts skip to the aberrus quest?
i cant fucking find anything i guess i gotta do the story on evokechip
lusty grotto
the quest for a clear
lusty grotto
gives you a token no, or am i misremebering?
waxen frigate
You just get aotc for token
strong forum
Isn’t that like awful for the tier set atm? Atm SS is removing the entire dot to...
2pc is still a dmg gain as rend and DW are instantly re-appljed
You only lose out on TR dmg on ST
strong forum
You basically get 80% of the rend and DW raw dot value, but gain like 2-3x rend and DW dmg in the form of fervid bite ontop of that
opaque vine
If the dot rolls - it’s not just reapplied, because you built a stacking bleed dot that you then cut to 40%.
strong forum
Yes
But it gets reapplied in literally 1sec again
And it doesn't get infinitely accumulated
opaque vine
But not at the same damage
opaque vine
Then the dot doesn’t roll
warm plinth
Isn’t that like awful for the tier set atm? Atm SS is removing the entire dot to...
If I have deep wounds on a target, and I auto attack/Revenge that target, it just restarts the DoT. It doesn't change the damage it deals.
strong forum
By roll I thought you meant it doesn't reset it's tick timer by being reapplied
warm plinth
It's not like Ignite
strong forum
And not continously stacking
warm plinth
When I say restart, I mean it's refreshing the duration, not interrupting the bleed
opaque vine
Gotcha
warm plinth
So when I consume deep wounds, I'm actually gaining damage, because you never actually gain the damage of the full bleed if you don't consume it technically because you're just constantly refreshing it to max duration
urban portal
the interaction with roar is def weird
opaque vine
Yeah, I was thinking if the bleed compounded with new damage, then you consume the entire thing, that’s not the same as applying a 100 damage rend, consuming it then instantly reapplying.
urban portal
but its good otherwise
warm plinth
https://gyazo.com/560d7d1fae758d82c52b6b01051bf8c4 you can see it here
opaque vine
That would be actual ass if it was the case
opaque vine
Yeah but the new bleed isn’t rolled into the old bleed
warm plinth
Correct
warm plinth
what did I do
lusty grotto
gyazo posting
warm plinth
what's wrong with that?
lusty grotto
😡
blazing condor
thanks ghash for the gyazoo backup
hardy snow
gyazo dont like my browser
warm plinth
I don't understand what is wrong with gyazo :/
blazing condor
tldr: "wah wah use windows tool instead"
lusty grotto
WINDOWS KEY + SHIFT + S
warm plinth
that's fair
blazing condor
a gift* 
warm plinth
@lusty grotto
I guess you can record with the snipping tool but it's slower because I have to start the snip manually
warm plinth
lmaoo
uneven mason
sullen mortar
Is it finally playable after all these years?
sullen mortar
I hope they improved the rpg elements in the dlc
Nothing like going back a save to see a different path and it leads to the same outcome
lusty grotto
this liquid clear diet fucking blows
i wanna eat anything solid
just 35 more mins to go
warm plinth
Good luck friend
lusty grotto
they already did the colonoscopy yesterday
lusty grotto
2 weeks 😦
warm plinth
tf
plush tendon
this liquid clear diet fucking blows
warm plinth
Well, keep us posted. Hoping for a good outcome for you
plush tendon
I had to look it up to see what that diet entails.... my dude, that aint chill
you better get a nice steak after two weeks
lusty grotto
it fucking sucks
waxen frigate
was always playable on PC
Ehhh
lusty grotto
but from what i could gather it needs to be done when polyps are removed and for the prep
waxen frigate
It wasn’t good though
plush tendon
Im not a doctor, so I couldnt tell you; but if the doc tells you to do it.... prob best to follow directions
cinder nova
Yeah, it's not a long-term diet, just a way to make sure everything back there is 'clean' so they can work without worrying.
lusty grotto
yeah
so basically im on it until 24 hours after the removal
so until 12 pm est lol
strong forum
It wasn’t good though
i had a 1080 at the time so experience wasnt the best, but i enjoyed my time, albeit like a month later cuz SL just released around that time iirc
warm plinth
They don't want Nim dropping a deuce on them
lapis summit
This week especially I feel like I just need to be in def stance the whole time, is that overcompensating? I pug 100% so stops arent what they should be. I'm getting whacked a lot
Doing ~20s btw
lusty grotto
sounds like bad play
waxen frigate
You definitely don’t need def stance in 20s
lusty grotto
depends if youre undergeared
lapis summit
Well it for sure it, my stops are on CD constantly. Cant speak for others. I'm 443
waxen frigate
Are you stopping the important things though
Utilizing spell reflect properly
Keeping good uptime on your defensives and cycling them appropriately
I did a 21 NL yesterday and had no major survivability issues that I can recall that weren’t my own fault
(Died on first pull bc healer died to the aggro drop worms and I didn’t notice)
lapis summit
Gotcha, so it sounds like I need to log a bit and check out my uptimes
Could easily be something Im doing wrong
waxen frigate
Yeah and make sure you’re just playing correctly in general
I’m not actually very good at pwarr
strong forum
expect that nobody uses their stops and interrupts
waxen frigate
So if I can do a 21 NL I believe in u
lapis summit
Way ahead of you Nom rofl
strong forum
and use stormbolt/shockwave/fear/kick accordingly
golden tartan
What keybinds u guys use for markers
strong forum
numpad
thorny stone
What keybinds u guys use for markers
Automarker wa, and 1 button macro for world markers
blazing condor
i just use automarker
not super often i need world markers but theyre good to have button for as wlel
sullen gust
Next tier are we thinking of swapping Unstoppable Force to get both Roar talents?
warm plinth
My mage just got 4pc as he crossed the 440 threshold 🙂
waxen frigate
Buy ah ring
lusty grotto
lol nah
violet flume
do zksera vault
lusty grotto
oh i could do that
violet flume
ya, ez 424
waxen frigate
I have like 4 toons at 440ish and I’ve barely played this tier
warm plinth
I get home at 2:30-3am, stay up til 6-7 then sleep and get up for work at 3:30-4
violet flume
i thought about trying dps in M+
jagged pier
I know someone who goes for a run at 2am every day
violet flume
then i remember how horrible odds are to get into high M+ pugs
f that
all alts are tanks
or healer
jagged pier
Run your own key
waxen frigate
Run your own key
Can’t if nobody applies
violet flume
few times i joined healerless group it takes forever to find people sometimes
jagged pier
Can’t if nobody applies
True true dead game
waxen frigate
Are you eu or NA
violet flume
anyways i get blessed with godawful tanks and i tell myself i could just have done better
jagged pier
Are you eu or NA
Eu
waxen frigate
Ya it’s uh
violet flume
na
waxen frigate
A lot different in NA
jagged pier
Wait NA is alive?
jagged pier
Eu is fucking dead
violet flume
everyone playing hardocre and waiting for s2 i think
waxen frigate
Plus this season just sucks
jagged pier
Next season will be no better
waxen frigate
Massive L by blizz
jagged pier
Next season looks giga shit ngl
violet flume
i think its fine but i wish we had tools to deal with all affixes 😦
waxen frigate
Yeah they won’t touch it until it gets showcased in RWF
warm plinth
It's just weird because how do you even balance it properly? You lower its damage to be comparable with everyone else (which it really already was comparable to everyone else in logs). And then what? You still have the defensive additions to the party, and you still have the burst potential w/ breath lined up with CDs
jagged pier
Aug right now
warm plinth
Exactly
waxen frigate
I just don’t understand wtf blizz was thinking
You can’t just add something like aug and expect it to be ok
brittle owl
do you guys not remember
the pr campaign they did at the same time with df promotion
stone wing
give aug the gladiator treatment
warm plinth
Yeah, you're essentially adding a new archetype to the game but not making room for it. And I've seen it suggested (and even suggested myself before I thought it through) to have groups be 6 instead of 5 but like...that opens up a whole new can of worms.
stone wing
Yeah, you're essentially adding a new archetype to the game but not making room ...
they would need more support style specs to do this imo. also going up to 25 man mythic raid probably
warm plinth
So arguably, yes, but
Adding more support specs doesn't really fix anything. Because there's always going to be a "best" support spec.
Like each support spec would have to be different somehow right
waxen frigate
Yeah, you're essentially adding a new archetype to the game but not making room ...
100%
Yep
warm plinth
You can't just make a different spec and be like this is the rogue support spec and it just gives jack shit compared to aug, so you either give the same thing, which doesn't really fix anything, or you give something worse or better and that spec just either gets forgotten or it replaces aug.
and you are back at square 1
stone wing
unless blizzard gets better at class balancing I just dont see support specs working out
waxen frigate
Aug has literally ruined any remotely competitive level of the game
stone wing
it would be neat to see different supports have different synergies with different specs and classes, but that wont ever happen
warm plinth
Yeah not without a fundamental altering of how group play works
As it stands, I imagine we'll just have to deal with aug being a permanent fixture in all content aside from PvP (I don't PvP but I assume they're all but useless there)
warm plinth
Last thing about support specs, then I'll stop
But the other problem with support specs is how much they overshadow the other specs of that class
Like look at how badly pres and dev (especially dev) representation dropped with the addition of aug
It might as well be a 1 spec class
Like it may not be next expansion, but I think at some point we're going to end up seeing aug go the way of survival where they just trash the spec and start from the ground up and just make it another DPS
waxen frigate
Yeah like why would you play deva when aug does so much more
And the thing is you could already see that with hunters and Druids
Survival and feral lack the range and utility of their peers
So they just don’t exist unless they’re giga broken
warm plinth
yep
grand veldt
what's executes priority in our rotation?
lusty grotto
it takes revenge's place
grand veldt
ty
strong forum
on 2 or less targets
blazing condor
fewer* 🤓
warm plinth
@strong forum we were just talking about this
grand veldt
whats school damage?
tired palm
Hi prot peeps, I had a "return function" custom macro a long time ago that basically makes the WA glow if the bar- glows, does someone have that? You can PM me aswell 🙂 Ty inb4
its in connection with Spell Activation Overlay Glow
warm plinth
whats school damage?
That change basically means they reduced the damage of it by 90% in M+
strong forum
Hi prot peeps, I had a "return function" custom macro a long time ago that basic...
What kind of bar glow
Do you just want an "if X trigger is met then glow"?
tired palm
@strong forum In WA you can use "Spell Activation Overlay Glow" which basically makes your WA glow, if it glows on your bar .. example Revenge procc, or Shield Slam
Basically yea
strong forum
Real simple
tired palm
I have
function(trigger)
return trigger[1] and not trigger[2]
end
strong forum
Add a glow in display
Then add the buff you're tracking for say revenge it's "revenge!" as trigger 2 or w/e
Then go to conditions
tired palm
Yea, but in this case it glows when Shield Slam resets its cd
strong forum
If trigger 2 active then glow active
That's just a simple
"if SS ready then glow"
In conditions
Don't need a return function
Just make SS always glow when it's ready
Cuz like... If its from the proc or not doesn't make a difference
tired palm
Yes, but when its on CD i dont want it to glow
tired palm
Where di you find If Ready condition? There is only Active/Charges etc
strong forum
if spell usable or w/e
tired palm
Because earlier I had the return function which worked nice, also worked for Revenge
it saved time.
Spell usable always makes it glow
strong forum
ye cuz its not on CD
warm plinth
I wa sjust showing where the options were, not what you should set them to
tired palm
I wa sjust showing where the options were, not what you should set them to
Gotcha
strong forum
these are all my conditons for SS for example
red when out of range
green when outburst ready
desaturate when on CD
modern brook
@strong forum can you help a braindamaged american out:
If i have an IP shield of 50,000 and i take 1,000,000; the IP reduces the damage it absorbs by half, so i would efectively be taking 900,000?
strong forum
950k
modern brook
got it
strong forum
if the DMG exceeds the 2x maximum of IP
it consumes all of IP
and reduces it by however large IP was
modern brook
Would that be true if the number was 95k instead of 1 mil? wait let me think
strong forum
its already true at 50k and 150k
if 50% of the dmg youre taking is larger than IP, itll eat all of IP
modern brook
so if itw as 90k instead of 1 mil; IP would aborb 45k, I'd take 45k and have 5k ip left?
strong forum
no
lets go with smaller numbers okay
you have a 50k absorb
eat 150k dmg
you reduce the dmg to 100k and IP is gone
if you eat 110k dmg and 50k IP
you are left with 60k
if you have 50k absorb and eat 90k dmg
you take 45k and have 5k left
which is essentially what you said ye
modern brook
so it literally just absorbs half the damage you take up to a number
strong forum
correct
strong forum
cuz people see % and then just lose all sense of math
modern brook
Its true - how can i have a % of a burger?
urban portal
When 1/3rd pounder is smaller than a 1/4th pounder
warm plinth
Its true - how can i have a % of a burger?
No, you eat that whole thing sweetheart, you deserve it.
warm plinth
humans are dumb aren't they
modern brook
the most american thing i can think of is that typing :usa pops up 🌭
warm plinth
Reminds me of a thing that I heard in a TV show. Guy did a study where kids were offered a nickel now or a dime later, and all the kids took the nickel now (supposed to show instant gratification) and the other guy said they took the nickel because it's bigger than a dime
tired palm
xD
modern brook
I've used nickles as screwdriver replacements before
Dimes just decorate my cup holder
strong forum
but ye kipka
warm plinth
They work surprisingly well don't they
modern brook
nickles > dimes every day
strong forum
how i solved the issue of SS always glowing even out of combat
tired palm
It glows always, not what I want.. but its a nice easy solution true
strong forum
1st loads in combat
2nd only loads outside of combat
= no perma glow to be annoying
tired palm
Yes.
strong forum
perfectly
ember tangle
i can't copy my warrior onto PTR to test myself, does the new 2 set actually consume a full bleed for 40% dmg or does it just consume 40% of the bleed?
strong forum
full bleed
ember tangle
well, that sucks
strong forum
2pc dmg suffed BIG fucking hard
ember tangle
i feel like that is a bug
warm plinth
It's not
strong forum
why would that be a bug?
ember tangle
it doesn't make sense IMO to consume full duration
warm plinth
Well you never use the full duration f two of the three bleeds anyway
of*
So it's still a damage increase
in that sense
It's TR that gets royally fucked by it
strong forum
its literally only TR that gets fucked over
ember tangle
ye and you lose a bit of uptime while reapplying them
strong forum
ohnoes
ember tangle
no?
strong forum
80% uptime
warm plinth
Like one gcd, and only on one target
strong forum
but you do 3x the dmg from em
because you consume them way more often
than the bleed could do
just by ticking
like you barely lose uptime, especially on ST
on more targets rend uptime suffers cuz of RNG
ember tangle
fair enough
strong forum
it does practically nothing vs rend and dw
its only thunderous roar that gets fucked over
cuz its not permanently up
grand veldt
If i wanted to carry mid players, would it be worth grabbing rumbling earth + sonic boom?
just to have the stop on a shorter timer
warm plinth
Well, no because even if you were doing it to have a shorter timer, you've now lost a bunch of damage from the talents you dropped to take them, which means you now are forced to use Shockwave on CD to not lose even MORE damage.
So you don't really have control over when you can use it
grand veldt
yeah makes sense
so frustrating
guardian has incap roar and typhoon on 30s cds
it's so much easier to just carry bad players with it
inland raft
Since been gone so long, we vers stacking or nah? S1 i crit stacked didnt feel i needes the vers
lusty grotto
😡
strong forum
still crit
lusty grotto
it's so much easier to just carry bad players with it
maybe, just dont fucking carry
grand veldt
i pug a lot man
lusty grotto
such a weird thing to complain about
strong forum
we might potentially run vers in s3 because tierset doesnt scale with crit currently
but thats a sim question
lusty grotto
if they cannot do stops they dont deserve to time the key
strong forum
and bugfix
lusty grotto
period, end of story
lusty grotto
🤷
sick sentinel
doesnt stack with % chance to crit or % crit dmg passive
lusty grotto
☝️
grand veldt
yeah you guys are right
modern brook
it's so much easier to just carry bad players with it
tbh if your group is so dog shit that your 45s aoe stop isnt good enough then you need to be better about vetting your groups 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
tbh if your group is so dog shit that your 45s aoe stop isnt good enough then yo...
true and fucking real
grand veldt
and its just like VP 2 druids not using incap roars
grand veldt
lusty grotto
the key part of this is what nome said
grand veldt
yeah personal responsiblity in mythic + is real
lusty grotto
its a 5man game
your team needs to be doing shit too
also theres a reason why carry groups are ... groups
daring marlin
you cant cover for people's mistakes
When it comes to kicks only pally really can
lmaooooooo
grand veldt
wait no i got it
i just pull 2x aoe cap and use shockwave as dps
no damage reduction, it's actually giga chad
lusty grotto
............
blazing condor
damn full stack pocket anvil feeling kinda good
lusty grotto
jesus fuck
grand veldt
lmfao
i just noticed it didnt have a cap on its damage, just thought that was interesting
urban portal
Yeah neither does roar
grand veldt
so ravager is the only lame one
urban portal
Yeah but ravager makes infinity rage
sick sentinel
"This town is full of bugzappers and everyone has your name on it." a (bad) movie i am watching
strong forum
ravager is big damage and good rage
modern brook
damn full stack pocket anvil feeling kinda good
i ran anvil when i was dpsing and i spent the whole time screaming at my screen to fucking pull
blazing condor
yeah thats kinda the downside
blazing condor
always gotta keep that shit going
modern brook
when im tankin though we be pullin
blazing condor
but it feels good to big brain it and have it up between long packs
and do it somehwere in the middle
modern brook
yeah im an vil fan
modern brook
its wow
blazing condor
ur wow
blazing condor
smiley face
modern brook
👑
waxen frigate
Anvil is a boring raid trinket, cool functionality with extensions and timing in M+
blazing condor
big dam
strong forum
big dam
lusty grotto
🪤
waxen frigate
pure geode
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avYpdf1438BzXwWZ#fight=31&source=13
Can anyone review this log for me. This is our lowest pull on sark. Our prot warrior is struggling to survive in p2 some. I’m the hpal and have already figured out what I can do to help him but is there anything he could be doing better?
He is also staying up w bop for p2-p3 transition
modern brook
47cpm sounds criminally low
but i might be capping hang on
(theres down time in this fight esp if you're seeing both transitions)
lusty grotto
am i blind
or hes not actually spell blocking void slash?
and hes taking a lot of stacks of obv, but idk
second only to the rogue lol
pure geode
Yeah I’ve noticed the oblivion stacks I think it’s from him trying to position the boss in the blossoms
lusty grotto
tell him not to
they are baited on the melee
just have melee stack somewhere
hes not spell blocking void slash for sure
but i guess thats not the best example of a log
since you were only in p3 for a short time
something to tell him though
jagged pier
TR is his top damage
casts TC more than SS
use spell block once and not on claws
jagged pier
oh no he did on searing claws not on void tho
pure geode
So his cpm is low and he should spell block void slash over searing claws?
jagged pier
hes using the ward trinket :monka:
they are the same mechanic just different phases
and why are u keeping your warrior out when u have a paladin?
pure geode
Warrior is dwarf so he can get rid of duress and pally uses his bubble before hand
waxen frigate
Pally is just gonna be better for it ngl
Dwarf warrior is the last resort strat imo
jagged pier
paladin can just spell ward and live on its own
waxen frigate
Yea
jagged pier
warrior struggles outside because they cant heal themselves
waxen frigate
Monk/pally/DK are the ones who should be staying out
Warrior if you’re really in a pinch
pure geode
Spell ward is also allocated for a black hole in p3
jagged pier
hes your warriors casts vs in a fight thats the same lengthish
but u can just sack that person later on
dps doesnt matter
waxen frigate
Yea it’s like
jagged pier
on sarc at all
pure geode
Ty Ty I’ll send this to him and raidlead
tired palm
@strong forum got it working
sick sentinel
sark looks like a really nasty fight, trying it on lfr
strong forum
its omega simple
hazy bronze
strong forum
technically i like HC echo the most
modern gazelle
anyone able to give me the run down of zskarn 2 tank strat and how to survive doing bombs+boss?
i 3 tanked it but might have to 2 tank it tonight
strong forum
sense - nurfed on youtube
vivid pumice
thx!
sick sentinel
i won at lfri castedhttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cbpCJ8YWNhyajn4v
modern brook
Ur like 445
sick sentinel
446
modern brook
That's like posting a picture of you coming in first ar your toddlers field day
sick sentinel
still number one tho
waxen frigate
still number one tho
That’s the spirit
sick sentinel
i bet u guys wont know why im doing lfr
lusty grotto
because you havent raided at all this season?
sick sentinel
i won at lfri castedhttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cbpCJ8YWNhyajn4v
99?
not sure, but i beat them again
Only 87k pfft?
i haven't put TR on my bars till now
💀
💀
pallid quiver
its omega simple
no its super mega ultra complex with mechanics so deep you can't grasp them without years of mythic raiding
waxen frigate
Only 87k pfft?
Susge
waxen frigate
I’m a superior kitten
sick sentinel
I don't see you getting 100s powershifting like a mad man like me
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
Ain’t no way you guys are not only logging LFR, but looking at the LFR parse
sick sentinel
ignore that i died at 20% sark to yeet
i know theres a way to check the parse %
but i cant recall how
lusty grotto
you got 70 in sark
sick sentinel
well, i died
lusty grotto
95 in kazzara
cerulean tusk
70 ain't bad tho, far above average. 95 is quite neato 
lusty grotto
93 in amalg
96 in experiments
its an LFR log but yeah those are your percents
super low ilvl % though
cerulean tusk
Overall avg around 90, very nice 
you get 99 next time Yogi
sick sentinel
im not sure what 0 ilvl% is
cerulean tusk
Happens to the best of us 
lusty grotto
it means you did badly for your ilvl
cerulean tusk
What I would do, is directly compare myself to someone at the same ilvl, and around same kill timer. Will often contain a hint or two, in what you can improve
modern gazelle
anyone able to give me the run down of zskarn 2 tank strat and how to survive do...
anyone?
sick sentinel
The suspense is killing me with these 3
Maybe I should go back in, I got 447 chest now
sick sentinel
anyone?
Mythic? No clue, other levels, dps does bombs
And you only do close bombs if not on boss, you can take 2 easily
modern gazelle
mythic
sick sentinel
Yeah I dunno then
modern gazelle
i 3 tanked it, but might be 2 tanking tonight
bit worried about the stupid amount of damage that would be lol
sick sentinel
Dps should help imo but never done it, but otherwise should be more than likely the same
Best thing to do probably is find a tank pov
modern gazelle
most groups 3 tank now cant seem to find a 2 tank pov
sick sentinel
i'm guessing if you have classes that can tank em with immunities and such they will have to help
Raid leader might explain it
lavish sphinx
Dunno if anyone has seen but Bellular has featured some data from Jordan in his latest video
hardy snow
i 3 tanked it, but might be 2 tanking tonight
dps players with immunites is best option
sick sentinel
oh well, just a spec i don't really play
lavish sphinx
Has it been confirmed that S2 crests will carry over to S3?
warm plinth
Define carry over
You will not be able to use S2 crests to upgrade S3 gear, if that's what you mean.
There's an entirely different set of crests for S3 gear.
sick sentinel
i heard titan fall 2 is supposed to be good now
was on sale for 3 bucks, i didnt get it but i might get it if it comes back for a similiar low price
lavish sphinx
Okay thanks, so no point stockpiling crests
warm plinth
Nope
warm plinth
yerp
sick sentinel
patrol this area of waking shores, open all the chests don't get in combat, takes 20 minutes
(have your bags really empty to stock pile the crap)
warm plinth
What do you get from doing this?
sick sentinel
5000 gold for 30 minutes of work
warm plinth
Not too terrible
errant leaf
No shit
sick sentinel
theres other areas of the map where they cluster up like that, but that is the easiest flying friendly place to farm them
i bet if they were on different layers for each toon, you could spend most of the day there looting them,
lusty grotto
alright
time to see how evokechip did on her first heroic run
lol kazzara
63% ilvl tho
oo
87% ez
warm plinth
not bad at all
lusty grotto
except for mag and assault, i got all blue ilvl parses
mag was green
assault is assault so green
not bad for a 411 augie
or at least i started the raid as a 411 augie
pallid quiver
Just play enha and get like 98% ilvl in raid for alt ilvls
Mash one button, brain off
warm plinth
waxen vale
I only do 23s so i use iy
sick sentinel
That's barbaric
sick sentinel
im just having fun with gpt atm
told it to make a story about warrior find a legendary axe and then feed its input to ai art to see what it thinks weapon looks like, come up with sword intsead of axe
warm plinth
told it to make a story about warrior find a legendary axe and then feed its inp...
Dude is it just me or is AI art kinda taking a step in the wrong direction? I feel like it's not as good as it was when it was first released
Like the images generally look better but I feel it's not as good at following the prompts
hardy snow
Okay thanks, so no point stockpiling crests
its never worth stockpiling such seasonal currencies
lusty wedge
Titan fury Prot warrior inc with that leggo
warm plinth
Yeah it's just not very good anymore
idk what happened
Like it came out with some fucked up shit early on but at least it was following the prompt
hardy snow
Yeah it's just not very good anymore
it got too much data that fits requested description
vale escarp
Dude is it just me or is AI art kinda taking a step in the wrong direction? I f...
Its the same with chatgpt it gets worse and worse at maths
sick sentinel
mighty valley
the computing power necessary for rapid reponses from LLMs etc don't work at scale
so yeah, as they try and roll it out further to a wider userbase, it's getting dumber
warm plinth
This one is correct
inb4 we have the Facebook order of operations argument in Skyhold
mighty valley
yeah it's as good at math as like... a calculator is
mighty valley
it falls apart when you ask it to count things in a set or anything else that requires an actual thought
pallid quiver
I'm glad that this saturation of learning pools is a way to show people that AI is not actial intelligence; it's just like a mass form of automation spitting things back at you
errant oriole
is crit better for more damage as a prot war or should I stick with vers?
warm plinth
Crit is more damage, and better survival in M+
errant oriole
oh ok swapping some stuff around then haha
always thought vers would be better overall 😄
inland raft
Im a big crit over vers fan even in m+
vivid pumice
what is the best way for me to check how other prot warriors are managing their cooldowns in raid fights (when they were progging and not on reclears since warcraft logs is full optimized for damage play)
inland raft
Dead mobs dont do damage
lusty grotto
it has been better for
expansions
not seasons
on prev expansions you only went versa if you were pushing high keys
errant oriole
oh I have been out of the loop then haha
lusty grotto
and 20s arent high
errant oriole
I usually just do 20s and call it good myself haha
lusty grotto
the keys dorki and naowh do? those are high keys
inland raft
Even at the highest of keys its rare that vers is the reason you live or not vs proper play
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
what is the best way for me to check how other prot warriors are managing their ...
theres no real way to do it
you just need to know how to read logs
i assume you dont wanna post yours here so we can look at them
there's a comparison tool in wcl, but its not that good
idk if it does well for cds
vivid pumice
i want to get better at knowing how to use cooldowns and make sure I don't throw cooldowns randomnly for fights like zskarn
vivid pumice
where magic damage is constant
lusty grotto
so use a wall at high stacks
vivid pumice
just swaped from dps to tank
vivid pumice
so when I'm not tanking, i pop shield wall to live having high stacks
lusty grotto
if you are, the other tank is fucking up, or youre taunting before your dot fades
you can pop SR + Wall
SR + Demo
vivid pumice
we were taunting as soon as the debuff dropped
lusty grotto
thats how it goes yes
lusty grotto
do you want to live or do you want to dps?
because if youre having problems surviving a proper tank swap
vivid pumice
i was following wowhead rotation
vivid pumice
that suggests big dam on avatar and demo
lusty grotto
and is this mythic?
vivid pumice
oh. I know i fked up big time
was just checking to see if I could learn from better logs
let me fetch one
didn't really wanted to waste your time with looking into logs that were full of mistakes
just looking for where to look for more info myself so I could get better and have a guideline
lusty grotto
what mistakes did you make so i dont look into those
vivid pumice
opener, getting knocked into traps, not knowing when would be best to SW and bolster
vivid pumice
hmmm
lusty grotto
last stand is literally not a defensive
vivid pumice
because of set?
errant oriole
if next season is more magic based would vers be better than crit?
mighty valley
bigger max health doesn't really do anything
lusty grotto
but yes because of set you want to use it on cd
mighty valley
except against huge huge burst
lusty grotto
since it has cd reduction
vivid pumice
I was assuming the 30% hp would help with getting bigger IP and bigger Victory rush heals
warm plinth
if next season is more magic based would vers be better than crit?
No, because the vast majority of damage you take in a key is still blockable.
lusty grotto
victory rush heals, youre not a bdk
warm plinth
And the stat investment to DR ratio on vers is just piss poor
lusty grotto
you wall when you know big damage is coming, its also not a science
warm plinth
It costs 410 vers for 1% DR
fresh kernel
wait what
vivid pumice
I normally walled when the other tank was tanking cuse that's the period where i have the highest stacks
lusty grotto
the higher the stacks of searing claws, the more damage you take, so that should be self explanatory
errant oriole
thank you @warm plinth
lusty grotto
im looking over it, but cant deep dive cause im raiding in xiv
warm plinth
I normally walled when the other tank was tanking cuse that's the period where i...
The first one is good. The other two are not optimal.
lusty grotto
atm
mighty valley
zskarn is rough on prot warriors, pretty normal to feel like it hurts
vivid pumice
The first one is good. The other two are not optimal.
probably walled when panicked cuse I think I got knocked a lot into fires
not used to having back to the wall
and ZOOM into first person
lusty grotto
are your warlocks not casting curse of weakness?
warm plinth
Just remember if you're panic walling, you already messed up
Wall is not a reactionary tool; it's a proactive tool
vivid pumice
yup
lusty grotto
tell one of your warlocks to cast curse of weakness
you have 3
none of them did curse of weakness
its an AA slow
vivid pumice
oh
lusty grotto
it'll help with stack buildups
lusty grotto
you have a BDK, so you have the DK debuff on it which is insidious chill
warm plinth
Yeah unfortunately I don't think the rogue one is really an option since you only have one
And I would assume you want atrophic
lusty grotto
yeah they have no choice
vivid pumice
i see
lusty grotto
so insidious chill (bdk or any dk that specs into it but bdk always talents it) and curse of weakness will slow zskarn's AAs
vivid pumice
nice
already said that to my RL thanks!
so:
- I should bolster basically on CD
- Wall and SR when not tanking (high stacks)
- have lock and dk debuff
vivid pumice
probably also keep demo for defensive?
mighty valley
obviously good to be looking for improvement but if you killed the prog boss, things can't be that bad 👍
vivid pumice
the highest stack I can get is as soon as the other tank taunts
vivid pumice
obviously good to be looking for improvement but if you killed the prog boss, th...
it felt really bad to tank that, I did rashok fine
lusty grotto
if you dont have wall up? youre probably not managing rage correctly, but ask for an external
vivid pumice
but the amount of magic dmg was too much on zskarn
warm plinth
Wall there if you need to
If you end up not getting high stacks (since you will hopefully have the lock/dk debuffs this time), then don't wall
mighty valley
you also ate 6 unblocked melees, maybe backturning idk
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jfmLQPHqpzC3Vt9R#fight=38&type=auras&spells=debuffs&ability=404942 you guys fucked up at 2:30
on stacks
i guess you're aware
vivid pumice
yup, that too
mighty valley
bdk with 16 stacks and just chilling
lusty grotto
those swapts arent clean
mighty valley
kind of the mage to eat one random melee at the start
warm plinth
vivid pumice
bdk with 16 stacks and just chilling
he probably taunted there to reposition the boss cuse I was still noob on the movement of the fight
since he is bingechilling with 16 stacks
warm plinth
Just bdk things
vivid pumice
is it a good practice for me to see what the tanks are doing in reclears? (I have capped gear)
check their logs and try to replicate even though I'm still pepega as tank
cuse those are easy to find on warcraftlogs
but the 1st kills of tanks progging, to check how they optimized their defensives
lusty grotto
feel free to do so but
vivid pumice
should be the best value for me
warm plinth
It can't hurt; it's not like Zskarn just stops hurting so they're likely still using CDs where you should use them.
vivid pumice
ok nice nice
I was assuming they could be more forgetfull defensively to parse higher on dps
lusty grotto
your taunt swaps arent clean
your bdk is taking
2-4 seconds to taunt
get him a weakaura that displays the debuff thats huge
warm plinth
You don't lose DPS to use defensives
vivid pumice
i think we both have the liquid ones
warm plinth
They're off GCD or part of your normal rotation anyway
lusty grotto
eh?
vivid pumice
but then again, the defensives should be the same
lusty grotto
not necessarily
vivid pumice
so you are absolutely right
mighty valley
if you're missing revenge gcds to IP, you're hurting your overall rage economy
lusty grotto
youre overthinking revenge
SS > TC > Revenge
IP in between casts when youre about to cap rage
thats it
it doesnt matter if you have a revenge proc or not
vivid pumice
i see
lusty grotto
that kind of min-maxing isn't needed at all
fresh kernel
what's ss
vivid pumice
shield slam
fresh kernel
ah even on aoe?
lusty grotto
that prio applies to ALL content
inland raft
Revenge is just there when have nothing else to do
mighty valley
that's true but also makes it sound unimportant
when undercasting revenge might be the number 1 prot warrior mistake
ABC: Always Be Cpressing buttons
lusty grotto
always be casting
warm plinth
We legitimately don't even pay attention to revenge procs tbh
lusty grotto
🙂
warm plinth
They happen, but you're not like super pressed to make sure you hit them because you can go long periods of time without even pressing revenge if you get lucky with SS procs
lusty grotto
revenges are good to get a proc asap to consume a VO
especially if you're unlucky with them during it
vivid pumice
ok guys, thanks a lot with the help
mighty valley
revenge procs feel like a historical artifact of what the spell used to be. they're free power so why not but it doesn't really change anything
lusty grotto
but thats just not min-maxing you need to do if youre not planning on parsing
vivid pumice
I'm gonna Zzzz, thanks guys!
mighty valley
good luck out there 👍
sudden sable
anyone else try prot on PTR? Ignore Pain is currently functioning at a value that is about 70% nerf over retail. literally unplayable against anything with bleeds. My IP is capping at 99k on PTR at 465 ilvl and 1mil HP.
lusty grotto
ill check it out after my ffxiv raid
shut summit
yea its not working properly
every use of ignore pain just gives you the base amount, doesnt stack up
errant oriole
oh loooooovely
shut summit
and it resets w/e amount you have current if using brutal vit
lusty grotto
how sure are we thats just not the weakaura not getting the value due to the dps changes?
lusty grotto
yeah the arms changes
chilly brook
yeah the arms changes
Nah I mean whatever they did with this
shut summit
how sure are we thats just not the weakaura not getting the value due to the dps...
it isnt just the WA
lusty grotto
time to spam report bug
chilly brook
yeah i remember
This is different, it’s not the same at the one I posted earlier. This is recent, as in this week
lusty grotto
o
rustic knot
we could be holy paladins... their disc in shambles rn
lusty grotto
bug submitted
uhh
weirdge
sense did you notice the number increasing? nvm this is even in the gif
without stacking
just by staying in combat
warm plinth
Are you sure it's not deep wounds ticks and brutal vitality?