Fair
#protection
sharp ruin
I mean the set still not look bad
sick sentinel
alld they did is good animations for UR and FH last bosses
lament shell
strong forum
more than 60% nerf because it auto consumes TR
tawny meteor
does this mean its now going off deep wounds now as well
strong forum
it always did?
sharp ruin
It consume al rhe dot but do only 40% of the damage?
strong forum
thats just flag shit
strong forum
It consume al rhe dot but do only 40% of the damage?
yes
sharp ruin
Like wtf is legit shit like that ahaha
lusty karma
It consume al rhe dot but do only 40% of the damage?
Yep, they definitely over nerfed significantly, 0 reason to chunk it 60%, kinda ridic
sick sentinel
40% is a bit low maybe they will buff it later. before release
sharp ruin
Come on if it consume all the dot it haha to do al least 65 to 75% of the damage
lusty karma
It’s what we get for going in strong to PTR, always happens to strongest ones, why it’s better to be mid and get buffs
sharp ruin
40% is waaaay too low
lusty karma
I’m guessing they’ll buff it at some point slightly but we’ll see
vocal nimbus
why new 2pc damage nerfed 
lusty karma
Personally I think they fucked up and should’ve hit the proc rate as now it fucks TR bad
Going this route makes the tier set feel bad when it inevitably eats our TR’s
lusty karma
Yep
strong forum
from what was a giga good ST set
turned into dogwater ST (not rly but not a significant gain anymore)
lusty karma
I would’ve preferred a nerf to proc rate instead
Leave the damage at 100% and make it proc a little less
strong forum
proc rate scales with your ability to press buttons so its fine
but because people overabused mega vers gear
tierset looked alot bigger than it was initially
or maybe it just looks so bad because it cant rly crit
so we lose a big chunk of dmg on it
even if you go full vers andy
edgy kindle
Dumb question, does the tier consume the full bleed to deal 40% dmg, or does it only consume 40% of the remaining time or, what exactly means consume 40% of a bleed?
inland raft
Remaining damage x.4
strong forum
it literally states "consumes the bleed for 40% dmg of its remaining duration"
its fine for rend and deep wounds as they get instantly reapplied
but TR gets straight up nerfed by 60% in ST
edgy kindle
Hmmm, I see, thanks
vestal moat
the fix should be it does 40% of the remaining damage immediately, doesnt consume at all. the rest of the 60% ticks as normal.
inland raft
Still a slight boost cuz the cdr beans get roughly 3x as many drs but its pretty rough
strong forum
4pc cdr for TR comes around to about 50% CDR1
so its just a huge loss in ST
which still doesnt make spear playable because you lose wildstrikes and thunderous words to get it
inland raft
What if drop unstoppable and grab the cdr talent? Lose 50% on tc but get more roars
strong forum
is likely a raw dmg gain yes
edgy kindle
Surely they'll make something about it and won't let us lose TR st dmg 
grand veldt
I would be annoyed less if it only consumed 40% of the duration
Then we at least keep some extra dot damage
vale escarp
How about just remove the 2p TR interaction, would it fix all the st damage problems?
grand veldt
The 2px guys the dog shit heal we could get from wounds too
vale escarp
I mean the removing dot
strong forum
god i hate PTR lag
real fossil
but TR gets straight up nerfed by 60% in ST
What would be the solution? do you think it would be better for TR to not be consumed?
hardy snow
its so dumb that it consumes bleed and doesnt compensate this consume
warm plinth
Yeah this is very dumb since it legit just nerfs TR potentially a lot since it's not like you're gonna hold SS for 15 seconds lol
real fossil
seems like some wild burst
inland raft
It was a short sighted change looking at rend damage without thinking of tr, hopefully theyll adjust it
real fossil
4 piece could add " & consumes for 100% TR instead)
warm plinth
It should absolutely be all or nothing on TR
The others don't matter since they'll basically be instantly reapplied
real fossil
very odd synergies with reducing TR CD and then gimping it lol
strong forum
this set turned from an insane raid set and meh m+ set
real fossil
i could see why it would be bad game design for insane TR burst
hardy snow
to a meh raid set
and thats the worst thing about this change 
inland raft
Personally im happy cuz only m+ but from design biew not a fan
Im sure they’ll figure something out
Hopefully
strong forum
at this point i dont even play the game
lusty grotto
Yeah this is very dumb since it legit just nerfs TR potentially a lot since it's...
i did it
strong forum
i just login, collect gear every now and again
but i'd prefer to have an interesting dmg profile again like in SL
lusty grotto
but i vomited demerol or w/e the sedation shit was
wait what happened
did something change, i just woke up
strong forum
tldr is in pins
lusty grotto
ah fuck i just read it
strong forum
so we lost roughly 10k+ ST dps with this
which means
we're now competing with VDH for last place again
hardy snow
btw. I dont think "60% TR dmg loss in ST" is correct statement, we lose only 60% of remaining dot, and part of TR dmg is also on hit, and set may not proc right after applying TR so we may get one or two full ticks
strong forum
its still a 60% loss compared to before?
lusty grotto
and with rally nerfed...
strong forum
its just awful
hardy snow
indeed it is
strong forum
the dmg that goes into fervid from TR is nerfed by 60%
lusty grotto
inspiring presence gone, so they're just casually making our "utility" pointless
hardy snow
inspiring presence gone, so they're just casually making our "utility" pointless
I wonder if they add something different there, or if only second wind stays there so we can have talent choice that nobody picks 
daring marlin
I normally don't judge people in the gym but if you're the type of dude to loudly slam the weight up and down with a single plate and 25 on the leg press you're a bitch
strong forum
I wonder if they add something different there, or if only second wind stays the...
they nerfed all raid CDs
if anyone gets a defensive CD its healers
warm plinth
Darkness got nerfed by 25% as well
lusty grotto
yeah but thats pretty much the only thing we brought to the table outside of very niche intervene charges
and bshout
daring marlin
delete darkness
strong forum
its still whack
warm plinth
It is
hardy snow
they nerfed all raid CDs
AMZ too?
warm plinth
You get an RNG chance every 3 minutes to be giga OP
strong forum
AMZ is shit to begin with
that doesnt need nerfing
only works on magic and only hits 8 targets
its a CD you just stack ontop of other shit
but its just not reliable
strong forum
Darkness is good when you have loads of dmg events
lucid holly
The ST dps loss is sad buttt, the DR for keys is now pretty huge so yay m+ at least
strong forum
darkness is shit vs singular hits
warm plinth
Yeah
daring marlin
fax
lucid holly
I read those changes like, ooooo prot war for keys?
warm plinth
We've never really had an issue with DR in keys though, outside of the mechanics that every tank except BDK struggles with
lucid holly
Esp with the massive rage gen nerf to bears
daring marlin
oh snap a bunch of changes today?
warm plinth
I do think that blood frenzy change probably kills bear meta
daring marlin
I gotta catch up
warm plinth
especially on top of the tier going away which is basically another 15% loss
lucid holly
Yeah, I wouldn’t wanna be doing half the pulls we currently do now as bear with those changes
We’d just fold over trying the FH ledge pull, some of the giga BH pulls or ulda pulls
Even though our set got buffed it feels incredibly bad to have it capped at 5
strong forum
bear is still king inside incarn
doesnt matter that bloodfrenzy is capped to 5
outside of it however yeah
bear isnt infinity immortal on big pulls anymore
daring marlin
Holy shit bdk 2pc is potentially not dogass?
hardy snow
Holy shit bdk 2pc is potentially not dogass?
it never was
daring marlin
You're drunk
strong forum
was always good but it suffered from the dumbass "need to actively tank to have an effect" affix
which plagued BDK in SL
daring marlin
Bone shield interactions are always ass
strong forum
basing sets on Boneshield stack loss is just awful
pallid quiver
simply let bdks cut themselves to drop a stack
daring marlin
lol
modern brook
simply let bdks cut themselves to drop a stack
isnt this tombstone?
pallid quiver
It'll appease the edge kids and provide mechanical value
modern brook
i dont play bdk
pallid quiver
I haven't enjoyed BDK since like MoP
Everything just feels like shit to press
No impact behind anything
warm plinth
it never was
bdk 2pc was 100% ass before
daring marlin
bdk 2pc was 100% ass before
thanks dear
warm plinth
Gotta support the homies in all things
Not that Jawor isn't a homie, but you also gotta be honest and tell the homies when they're wrong
All of you fuckers are my homies
pallid quiver
Like my guy, I'm literally ripping out a guy's blood forcibly, why does it sound like I'm finishing off a bowl of ramen
warm plinth
Reminds me of uh
I think it's the rip or mangle sound effect for feral
That sounds like they're tearing a wet paper bag
pallid quiver
/buff in aoe
modern brook
i mean
i know we needed the st damage
but a teir set shouldnt be doing 15k or whtaever it was
daring marlin
LOL THEY BUFFED SLAM DAMAGE
lusty grotto
well youre not wrong
modern brook
just chuck the numbers into ss or something
Arms 
warm plinth
Do you guys want to see Gary
lusty grotto
tierlistmemes
warm plinth
I created him via AI
strong forum
pls tell me this is fake
sick sentinel
strong forum
VDH feeling reaaaal good is a fucking cope
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
send my this precise tier maker
sick sentinel
i must cast judgement
modern brook
lusty grotto
i didnt catch vdh, but they probably havent talked about it
or
hes basing it on the upcoming rework?
idk if that even happened
warm plinth
The VDH rework hasn't happened yet
strong forum
VDH rework did happen
daring marlin
Do you guys want to see Gary
Yes
warm plinth
They did some class tree changes and they did some havoc changes
daring marlin
lmao
inland raft
Woah
daring marlin
FDK nerf is real sadge
inland raft
How did you find my ex?
warm plinth
I mean
daring marlin
Unholy gonna own
warm plinth
True but
Realz said that it won't be a true rework
So we probably won't see anything crazy
inland raft
Arenr they going to make sigils a core focus going forward or is that just a rumor
lusty grotto
i see
warm plinth
They did say something about sigil changes for VDH but it was very vague
lusty grotto
probably just talent shifts, like Havok just got
sick sentinel
crafted some bracers for rogue in guild
lusty grotto
kinda glad about these momentum changes to havok
sick sentinel
they don't even know how to get enchanted crests yet
warm plinth
kinda glad about these momentum changes to havok
The max duration change is definitely more comfortable
halcyon pasture
Why is war good for NL?
warm plinth
Why is war good for NL?
Mostly physical damage, juicy reflects
halcyon pasture
As Dr or actually reflecting stuff
warm plinth
The only danger for war is basically the hulks, which every tank hates
sick sentinel
green rock men destroys prot warriors dreams
warm plinth
Actually reflecting stuff
halcyon pasture
Cool
warm plinth
Sunder, Toxic Retch, Molten Crash are all reflectable
halcyon pasture
Amaze
sick sentinel
im still pre-madge about the stomp whgatever bastgards in the octopus room
i get mald just thinking about i
octopus 3rd boss is really hard too
the spikes did giga damage
sick sentinel
throne
lusty grotto
classic wednesday yogi take
warm plinth
yogi is not particularly great at seques
He talks about a topic in his head and then decides to share with us halfway through the conversation
lusty grotto
or particularly good at following along with the comversaion
dusk moat
Are there any quick Prot guide websites? Tanknotes seems dated - looking to try tanking wondering if there's any quick guides on routes/mechanics for low keys/normal raids?
sick sentinel
well, sometimes if you dont commit to a though pattern
it ceases to exist for minutes or hours or days on end,
or never again
so sometimes better to send it
strong forum
Are there any quick Prot guide websites? Tanknotes seems dated - looking to try ...
none that i know of besides icy veins/wowhead
sick sentinel
like, comes back later on when its no longer relavant
strong forum
i guess mythictrap works for cheat sheet stuff
warm plinth
I'm ready
sick sentinel
and ppl will hate it
warm plinth
Throne is going to be bad, even if it isn't too hard
strong forum
i think throne will be severely undertuned
sick sentinel
thats im calling it for 100% thats my final answer
warm plinth
It's just a boring ass dungeon
strong forum
atal and WCM will be the highest keys completed
sick sentinel
i know its gunna cause mald
strong forum
by a landslide
warm plinth
Everbloom maybe too
sick sentinel
i think throne will be over tuned to shit
strong forum
everbloom also prolly undertuned ye
warm plinth
All of the WoD dungeons sof ar have been quite easy
sick sentinel
and that everything but the final boss will be hard
sick sentinel
mc squid takes alot of dps and your doging spikes and greens, 2nd boss the purple blots get huge, first boss is omegalul tornaodes
warm plinth
So much RP
warm plinth
None of the bosses in Throne are hard except the MC boss
pallid quiver
Spinny
sick sentinel
nononono i GARUNTEE
it will be problem first boss
the tornadoe bubbles
even now TW its problem ish
lusty grotto
dont think that will be an issue, players are smarter now
strong forum
Some sources say throne is 3 boss dungeon
sick sentinel
i dunno if harder than well of eternity
strong forum
And elevator only starts on player detection
strong forum
dont think that will be an issue, players are smarter now
Yeah the routing of keys compared to bfa in FH and UR is so funny
Pulls are like 3x bigger
sick sentinel
at least routing throne will be simple
lusty grotto
youre overreacting to things that wont matter yogi
sick sentinel
ya well, i think it will happen
strong forum
Routes don't matter until like 25/26s
Just holding W and playing clean is more than plenty
sick sentinel
whats hard in well of eternity for us
lusty grotto
what does wall of eternity matter? its not in the rotation
strong forum
Fuck if I know
sick sentinel
i pertty sure the queen boss is hard
oh, i thought they were adding it, i could be wrong
strong forum
Nah
lusty grotto
you are
sick sentinel
i thought i had heard well at some point
strong forum
It's just people speculating what would be the worst m+ dungeon from cata onwards
pallid quiver
Routes don't matter until like 25/26s
Unless you're with pugs, in which case you need their route, even if it doesn't work, or you end up alone in the key
daring marlin
black rook hold darkheart thicket
lusty grotto
both legion dungeons
sick sentinel
oh right those dungeons
daring marlin
one sucks one owns
lusty grotto
2 legion dungeons, 2 bfa dungeons, 1 cata, 1 WoD, and the split of the new mega dungeon
inland raft
I had a pug dps throw a fit for going 3rd boss before council in fh when it doesnt matter, pugs are weird
lusty grotto
well xavious was kind of a fucking pain in tyrannical
warm plinth
Having to LoS an auto attack on high BRH keys
sick sentinel
im gunna be real weak in those legion keys
strong forum
Having to LoS an auto attack on high BRH keys <:keks:936231610850897992>
?
The archers?
warm plinth
Yeah
sick sentinel
ever bloom maybe not so much, i kinda gota a pretty good idea how to run that one
strong forum
Yeah ig
modern gazelle
whats the radial menu addon for marker placement called?
lusty grotto
well the archers should be blockable now
strong forum
Qpie
warm plinth
whats the radial menu addon for marker placement called?
Do you mean OPie?
lusty grotto
qtpie
warm plinth
Archers hit random targets, not the tank
strong forum
It's an addon where you can assign anything you want to it
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
wtb disarm
modern gazelle
oh cool, thanks
strong forum
I should make more use of it
sick sentinel
so i can disarm the archer dude
lusty grotto
Archers hit random targets, not the tank
ah fuck youre right
sick sentinel
and make him follow me
warm plinth
Most archer type mobs can be moved by getting in melee then stutter stepping away from them
warm plinth
Easiest fix is probably to just make them hit tank only
warm plinth
Ghash
strong forum
Right
lusty grotto
LOL
warm plinth
pallid quiver
Damn, Ghash isn't loved enough to be remembered
warm plinth
sick sentinel
i think it was cool to be able to disarm in pve dungeons raids certain mobs
warm plinth
Mwahi loves me enough for everyone
pallid quiver
He loves, but is not loved back
sick sentinel
maybe the boss is a bit excessive depending on boss
warm plinth
Tbf I've had like 4 names in here, not counting my meme nicknames
strong forum
It's hard to remember who was who if you do a name, pfp and nickname change
warm plinth
I was Worldcrusher back in the day, then briefly Stonehearth, then just Ghash
sick sentinel
you could free yourself, but at what cost
warm plinth
I can recommend the person who did mine if you need someone
strong forum
I can suggest one
pallid quiver
We'll see if I get yelled at
warm plinth
guys is this sexual harassment
lusty grotto
oh no
hardy snow
lightmode is a harassment
lusty grotto
yeah light mode hiss
warm plinth
Teams has a dark mode?
warm plinth
🏃♂️
lusty grotto
i hate fucking teams
warm plinth
Me too but it's what my company uses
lusty grotto
i hate companies that move from slack to it
warm plinth
We never used Slack to my knowledge
lusty grotto
slack is basically
discord
its very familiar
and its amazing for developers
as opposed to teams which is only good for video calls
cause searching for text is ass
warm plinth
@strong forum My friend is insisting that we would have been target swapping for the old tier set bonus
lusty grotto
and code snippet is fucking garbage
warm plinth
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> My friend is insisting that we would have been target swap...
Ah yes...
Cuz reapplying dots hard
lusty grotto
i think he means for the DR?
strong forum
And 5sec duration DR on a target
warm plinth
Yeah he meant for the DR haha
lusty grotto
like the DR changes are good
lusty grotto
i feel thats the only positive thing
warm plinth
The DR is quite nice, and the TR reduction increase is nice
strong forum
Aoe gained stonks
St is worse than current set
It's basically just current tierset, just a slightly different emphasis on shield slam
And instead of 4pc dmg proc, you get thunderous roar
lusty grotto
dorki chat lol
uneven mason
dorki chat lol
WHy would you polute these sacred halls with that filth
sullen gust
It's basically just current tierset, just a slightly different emphasis on shiel...
I guess also its a bit more consistant, like we will always be spending rage, where the current set is more "burst window" after LS?
strong forum
dorki chat lol
I can smell people flaming pwar very soon cuz op again and they don't want pwar strong
strong forum
I guess also its a bit more consistant, like we will always be spending rage, wh...
Im talking aoe
lusty grotto
i think its just a perspective thing but it certainly feels people are up in arms about warriors more often than not
lusty grotto
yeah we will see
strong forum
Happens everytime
Something becomes meta, some people cheer, fast forward a bit. Everybody hates X meta
lusty grotto
i feel like the number of players that play warriors is also an issue
cause warrior is one of the most popular classes
along with hunters?
im talking across the board
strong forum
Druid and hunter are by far the most popular
Boomkin has always dummy high representation
lusty grotto
i can see druids being popular yea
strong forum
Fury warrior also super high representation
lusty grotto
it kinda felt hunters was it for a long time though
strong forum
Well boomy has been that way since legion
Even when they were only meh in bfa
Still top end popular in raid
Hunter always popular
lusty grotto
yea
strong forum
Fury always popular
strong forum
But yeh idk
Hope people don't hype up pwar so much again
Was annoying to get overhyped
strong forum
Bdk is also getting a bit better
But it doesn't bring as much as brew brings for the group
But yeah, next season anything could happen
Anything but vdh and pally
lusty grotto
im sadge about ST
strong forum
As it stands rn*
strong forum
Idk
lusty grotto
also im probably tanking mythic next patch
which feels bad regarding the ST changes
strong forum
Only reason I'll play 10.2 is cuz of meme raids with my guild
Doing some meme keys to get big overalls here and there
But generally enjoy more talking about the game than playing the game
lusty grotto
this is fine
warm plinth
I play the game because of my friends that I play with regularly
And we play a lot of other games lately like Fall Guys, Phasmo
strong forum
Anytime I dare try to suggest other games I just get shut down by em
daring marlin
But generally enjoy more talking about the game than playing the game
MOOD
HOLY MOLY
red otter
Anything but vdh and pally
historically this xpac reworked classes are quite good, vengeance may be really good.
red otter
Vdh was second best tank this tier?
strong forum
Vdh was second best tank this tier?
Cuz everybody just copied naowh cuz whatever naowh plays must be best
Also vdh loses their current tierset
And as it stands rn
They still play this tierset next patch in raid cuz their new set is shit
red otter
Thats true, alot of their strength this season was their tier set.
daring marlin
Imagine CHOOSING to play leather when plate exists.
...freaks
strong forum
Vdhs main reason early on was just "big dmg"
cerulean tusk
Vdh offers nothing to your group
Brand, AoE silence, AoE fear, AoE grip... to mention a few - all on a CD that resets based on them being cast, that again gets reset faster by tierset.
Could become quite neato cheato
strong forum
Aoe grip is unaccessible
warm plinth
VDH was "meta" for literally 2 weeks
strong forum
Aoe fear is just a poor man's aoe stop
warm plinth
And DH AoE grip is shit compared to DK's
cerulean tusk
Warrior was meta for too long, we had our time. Now is the year of the Druid
red otter
VDH was "meta" for literally 2 weeks
It was a toss up between bear and them even at that time, we saw bear become the popular choice throughout of course
strong forum
Idc about being meta
cerulean tusk
I actually really like that sigil, but sure, gorefiend is better
lusty grotto
its too bad druid is actually dogshit in the patch
strong forum
But people who say vdh has relevant utility are coping
warm plinth
It wasn't a toss up. It was literally because Naowh likes playing VDH
And even in top keys, it's a popularity contest
strong forum
The only thing vdh brings is dmg
warm plinth
The big streamers direct the flow of traffic
final mist
And even in top keys, it's a popularity contest
It's always a popularity contest
lusty grotto
yeah especially mdi streamers
warm plinth
Yep
lusty grotto
naowh and dorki now for example
nerf hasnt done mdi lately has he?
like he wasnt on last tgp
strong forum
Nerf got a 2nd kid
pallid quiver
But people who say vdh has relevant utility are coping
VDH has the relevant utility of siphoning all the edgelords who want to tank
strong forum
So no tournaments
lusty grotto
yeah makes sense
lusty grotto
heyo Sal
pallid quiver
most of the edgelords moved to vdh from what i've seen
now dks are just assholes
red otter
I've mained ppal for the last two tiers, but with how we seem to be getting shafted I may swap to blood.
lusty grotto
haha jb has kids and is playing in EU cause of his schedule
warm plinth
Shakib and Jb, top tier combo
strong forum
Bis stream content
cerulean tusk
If you play blood, you always enjoyed blood. If you dont play blood, you prob want to play something else.
warm plinth
I loved watching them
daring marlin
Bis stream content
TRUTH
keen iris
You don't think the ppallie 2 piece but is nice? At least it's better..
lusty grotto
yeah i loved their streams back then
warm plinth
Ppal tier is just annoying because it's based on consecration
final mist
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
red otter
You don't think the ppallie 2 piece but is nice? At least it's better..
Our tier feels like garbage
warm plinth
And if you redrop it, you lose it
red otter
^
lusty grotto
You don't think the ppallie 2 piece but is nice? At least it's better..
this is warrior discord sir
cerulean tusk
Says the lads discussing VDH
keen iris
The war tier is much better now too
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
i wasnt discussing vdh
warm plinth
Nim don't you remember the paladin who came in screaming that he belongs here because he's a Warrior of Light?
lusty grotto
so idk
keen iris
Though it sucks it doesn't do AOE damage
daring marlin
I've mained ppal for the last two tiers, but with how we seem to be getting shaf...
Ye of little faith...
pallid quiver
Nim don't you remember the paladin who came in screaming that he belongs here be...
Did he get directed to FF14?
mild sorrel
prot lookin decent
warm plinth
Nah, this was before FF14 popularity took off
pallid quiver
Did he get directed to FF1?
warm plinth
In BFA I think?
pallid quiver
FF5 would also be acceptable
keen iris
The only FF is 7
red otter
Ye of little faith...
Well it got so bad last season that ppal saw so little play at high levels. Even at the range I play with in pugs (23ish), I found it extremely hard for groups to let me in keys, I would rather not experience that again.
pallid quiver
8 being good is a rare opinion
red otter
20 mins to get in pug keys as a tank feels atrocious
lusty grotto
better than any of the STs
warm plinth
It's so silly because like
The tanks that have been meta recently didn't even lose strength
They just got overshadowed
lusty grotto
the only good story in an FF that even comes close is FF6
keen iris
I'm really torn between prot pallie and prot war for next tier
warm plinth
In fact warrior has only been buffed since they were meta in the first half of S1
warm plinth
strong forum
And we got dmg buffed 3 times back to back
And we're still 10-20k behind other tanks in raid
And are barely keeping up in m+
warm plinth
yep
keen iris
How is the next round of dungeons looking for prot?
strong forum
Atal, brh and Wcm really good for us
keen iris
Lots of stops required, I read?
strong forum
Just like in every key
warm plinth
Really just gonna depend on tuning
warm plinth
Mega dungeon is going to need some pretty heavy tuning to not destroy people
lone eagle
tank meta will be pwar x4 and an aug voker
warm plinth
It's pretty nasty even on M0
lusty grotto
yeah its overtuned
lone eagle
calling it nopw
daring marlin
fucking bis story
TALK TO EM
lusty grotto
ptr dawn is overtuned for sure
warm plinth
Everbloom could definitely go either way, as could Throne
lusty grotto
TALK TO EM
strong forum
So like, about the dungeons we know
warm plinth
Throne will still be a shit tier dungeon even if it's face roll though. Fuck that place. How they gonna keep picking the worst Cata dungeons to bring back
warm plinth
Where's my Stonecore or BRC 😠
daring marlin
VotW will be shit too
daring marlin
elevator dungeons should be BANNED
lone eagle
But pwar is good for that
warm plinth
VotW was so nasty in TW
strong forum
You have SW for every 2nd grip
And IV for the other
Altho I guess IV doesn't mean much when you have a healer
daring marlin
I wonder how hard tree boss will hit in WCM. I loved never resetting stacks
warm plinth
I'd like to have you for every 2nd grip, if you know what I mean
warm plinth
At least we won't have that problem this time around haha
lusty grotto
I wonder how hard tree boss will hit in WCM. I loved never resetting stacks
facts!!!!!!!!
strong forum
Ye tree boss will be fun
lone eagle
I feel like no matter how OP axe is for BDK
warm plinth
no SB gaps 
lone eagle
it won't make them M+ meta
but I do think we'll see UHDK in the meta next tier with it, or 2h frost
strong forum
Bdk needs to do ungodly dmg to become meta
lone eagle
Pwar UHDK Aug and like, rogue? + healer of choice
daring marlin
unholy set was prolly already better before they nerfed fdk one
strong forum
Pwar UHDK Aug and like, rogue? + healer of choice
Enha aug rogue + disc
lone eagle
with disc
strong forum
But then no combat res...
warm plinth
outlaw rogue rising
strong forum
So maybe bdk meta
strong forum
Engi res in 2023
lone eagle
Brew might be good enough to slide into M+ but as a Brew main since MoP idk
It feels like stagger needs the aug Close as Clutchmates treatment in M+
warm plinth
Enha + rogue seems not quite right though just because both are capped
daring marlin
SR tech in WCM is some of the most fun shit
keen iris
People are saying brm is nuts, but IDK. I don't play it
lone eagle
It's hard when you're designed to scale with healers and you only have 1 healer in a content type
strong forum
Enha + rogue seems not quite right though just because both are capped
Sub is not capped, neither is flameshock
warm plinth
BrM does big damage, and is strong defensively in the right hands. The problem is that their skill floor is quite high.
Fuck sub
Sub can burn in hell
Outlaw the only real rogue spec
lone eagle
I feel like after nerfs, I do more on my bear and pwar
sick sentinel
shame ghostly strike is always bad in pve in any form
lone eagle
in M+
warm plinth
wat
lone eagle
but Brew has to play more cautiously which can cut into damage
warm plinth
Ghostly Strike has been the play in raids more than once, wdym
And it was even played in M+ in SL
sick sentinel
i liked old ghostly like the classic one
lone eagle
This is in the 25-29 range though
warm plinth
It's also a bigger buff and off g
keen iris
I've seen some insane brews in low 20s keys this tier.
warm plinth
off gcd in 10.2
keen iris
Like putting up good DPS numbers
lusty grotto
one trick pony brews will always be amazing
lusty grotto
hell that applies to every single one trick pony really
sick sentinel
oh, i didnt know it was played in shadow lands mdi, i figured they played something else
lone eagle
Yeah, I'm really hoping Brew isn't meta next patch
I'm so tired of the mental overhead of all the buttons
warm plinth
I'm not talking about MDI. I'm talking about M+ in general
keen iris
I won't play brew because I'd have to play WW in raid, and fuck that
sick sentinel
its been a long time since i played rogue, and i prefer a much simpler rogue, i want to just ambush crit the mob for 50% of hp
lone eagle
I got my .1% title in S3 SL as Brew and it was annoying enough competing with BDK
sick sentinel
finish it off from there
all rogues are good, but back stab and ambush just feels the best
strong forum
Getting titles this season projection is at around 3620
Which is all 28s done
Doesn't sound all that bad tbh
lone eagle
Yeah, I was at cutoff before the adjustments
I need to grind up that last 150 io or so
but at the same time, I don't want to put that much effort in
:/
pug scene feels dead in latenight NA rn
so just need to gather up the homies to grind the 28s
sick sentinel
i got 10 paragons pretty much across the board in df so far
daring marlin
yogi gamin
strong forum
Im not even maxed with renown
Only 1 that's done is valdrakken
Rest is like 16-20
sick sentinel
was able to legitimately use all of the 437 crafter icons
modern brook
Only 1 that's done is valdrakken
My highest is like 10 I think
strong forum
Nah I wanted my drake armor
waxen frigate
i want josh armor
warm plinth
ba-dum-tiss
waxen frigate
that just reminded me of the video where it's drake's court trial for being a sex offender
with a laugh track
ebon wren
is there any way with details to see how much damage you mitigated with spell block?
lusty grotto
NO
lavish sphinx
Yogi, what happened to crafting unnecessary trinkets?
ebon wren
its 0 if no spells were cast
ebon wren
ya so just asking if there was a way to see the blocks
warm plinth
There's no cap on Spell Block
lusty grotto
log
warm plinth
Only in logs, yeah
lusty grotto
There's no cap on Spell Block
yeah youre right
ebon wren
i never asked how much it blocked, or capped, or w/e. i asked if details showed info.
lusty grotto
warm plinth
He answered that in his first reply
pallid quiver
Details doesn't even tell you how many times you blocked, iirc
ebon wren
yall are grouchy
warm plinth
Nope...it has an avoidance tab but it doesn't function properly unfortunately
lusty grotto
nobody is grouchy
mighty valley
details never tells me it loves me...
warm plinth
big sadge
lusty grotto
assuming makes an ass of u and me
warm plinth
I love you @mighty valley
mighty valley
see? vast improvement over details already
waxen frigate
There's no cap on Spell Block
🚫 🧢
jagged gust
nobody is grouchy
nah y'all soundin' mad sassy
I think with jordan gone we've all had to raise our sass levels to keep the status quo
lusty grotto
im def not
you say "no shit" to something completely obvious and the entire world loses their shit
jesus
pallid quiver
He used an all caps NO, so therefore, yes
proper roost
We love him for that
pallid quiver
You have to remember to always assume the worst of people at all times
Except yourself
I don't like that Nim hasn't fired back yet
I hope he just hasn't seen me shitpost yet
lusty grotto
i had caps lock on cause im playing BF and fat fingered it
pallid quiver
I actually figured you just didn't let go of shift in time
hardy ridge
legendary shield when
ionic fern
Now.
hardy ridge
ty for quick response
ionic fern
You're welcome.
lavish sphinx
Fuck, I would love a shield like the 2nd boss of HoV - shoot a beam of light way out in front when procced
pallid quiver
When's a legendary Mwahi to tell me when I do stupid things
ionic fern
When ever you want.
Mwahis Live feedback sessions via Discord are always available.
sick sentinel
legendary shield when
It could change effects based on the role that's using it. Tank / Healer / DPS.
timid thicket
I mean the current legendary is used by one class
lavish sphinx
I believe Rogue's used shields once upon a time
ionic fern
Just make a ambigious Legendary weapon that swaps what it is based on who uses it.
BDK -> 2h/1h
Monk->2h/1h
Warri->2h/1h/Shield
lavish sphinx
Legendary off hand
ionic fern
etc.
sick sentinel
Too few classes use shields.
Better than Evoker-only. Low bar, but bars exist.
ionic fern
I mean the current legendary is used by one class
Jeah, but it's the "NEW CLASS EXCLUSITIVITY!!!!"
warm plinth
I believe Rogue's used shields once upon a time
Not in this game they didn't
ionic fern
I think they were "bucklers" that rogues/hunters could use.
jagged pier
In alpha yer
lavish sphinx
Yeah
jagged pier
Looks its easy guys
We wait for the next stat squish
They will fuck something up
And thunderfury will be usable for a pre patch
jagged pier
pallid quiver
well, time to start farming for thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker
I still actually have my mop cloaks, too, for timewalking purposes
proc does some non-zero amount of damage i tell you what
lyric cape
christ. even BFA stuff.
sharp ruin
i think prot warr will be very good next tier , dungeons looks like not having big magic damage or bleeds , and even with the 60% nerfs to the 2p the DR we got is huge
and i think we will do a good amount of damage still
jagged pier
hardy snow
its an old habit from before the wardrobe
but, but... even SoD shards? 
jagged pier
hey they took a long time get
and the 3 arcano shards are there to piss of my priest friend that went the whole of legion without getting 1
warm plinth
where's your convergence and draught though
jagged pier
void storage maybe 🤷
blazing condor
i too save stuff like Jakey does
waxen vale
You look like the type of guys who can explain what the dragonflight are and who alextraxa is
But I'm good don't worry about it
jagged pier
i have no clue
blazing condor
found rare discontinued one of a kind mint condition warchief ashes in my bank
even though i completed the quest it didnt disappear from my inventory
blazing condor
You look like the type of guys who can explain what the dragonflight are and who...
stuck crane
Opinion on the Tier piece Boni change?
pallid quiver
we riot
blazing condor
personally not a fan
pallid quiver
Check pins for where
pallid quiver
I've infected jakey with the swap letters disease
jagged pier
no thats just ma 🧠
stuck crane
dps stand point bad
Good thing we do so much dmg 💀
jagged pier
we were actually in line with the other tanks now we back behind
they can fix it ez
just not make it consume TR for 40%
ir make it not consume TR at all
and the set is fine
pallid quiver
make it consume TR for 200%
stuck crane
Meanwhile Dk 2 piece got a straight buff
jagged pier
i mean u get like x3 the amout of casts ish
so its like 120%
but meh
it does suck
no one wants to int their capstone damage
hopefully it will be fixed but who knows
🤷
pallid quiver
make it consume TR for 300%
jagged pier
100% is fine
jagged pier
i myself cant stop playing starfield and i cant argue the faults in the game because i know they are there
yet i still play
pallid quiver
Still probably a better game than what I dig for. I love the shitty fighting games
you love getting your toe poked and then you're in the air until the timer's out
static aspen
i myself cant stop playing starfield and i cant argue the faults in the game bec...
You are in consumered corner
uneven mason
i myself cant stop playing starfield and i cant argue the faults in the game bec...
Gave up on starfield, I shouldn't need a half dozen mods to make the menus better than ES:Arena
daring marlin
i myself cant stop playing starfield and i cant argue the faults in the game bec...
As long as you're having fun bruh
uneven mason
jagged pier
yer i ve been playing that
already
because like everything they bringing in it is already a mod
strong forum
2.0 patch is dropping a few days ahead of DLC so people who never played it can experience it and to give others some time to replay base game beforehand again
uneven mason
tonight is the best time for me to buy it
I'd give it a day for the "oops it crashes" patch
Looking forward to the new playstyle systems
hazy bronze
I did corpo/hacker and street racer/brute so I'm thinking city kid/assassin for rd 3
jagged pier
i dunno i lost interest when they nuked my hacker build that could spread 100k crit contagions
jagged pier
Not really off topic is perfectly fine when there isnt current conversations going on which there hasnt been all day
uneven mason
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/238061143497768960
#no-shit
jagged pier
What we dont like are ppl that come in and start talking about random stuff whne we are discussing the class or answering questiond
oblique garnet
Oi no memeing in the channel 
mortal dagger
mortal dagger
Yo safeguard atleast?
blazing condor
i miss intercept
steel herald
how does this helps on experiements, I am not familiar with this
blazing condor
what applies aa slows?
strong forum
rogue warlock dk
blazing condor
ah ye
dusk moat
HI BROCHOCHO
uneven mason
i miss intercept
You miss a long CD version of charge that cost rage?
The only thing I miss from back then was the non DR stuns on charge and intercept
mellow bridge
Yo safeguard atleast?
dis
make intervene baseline, put safeguard where intervene is
uneven mason
But I guess warriors having 7? Stops was a bit nuch
blazing condor
You miss a long CD version of charge that cost rage?
damn i dont remember it costing rage lol. I miss having both charge/intervene then
uneven mason
Yeah it cost rage and charge couldn't be used in combat
uneven mason
Oh, I forgot they had renamed intervene to intercept during bfa lol
blazing condor
well its was intervene and charge in one button
steep pivot
hey!! new info on pins nice!
earnest canyon
Hi everyone
whats TR cd will be like with new tier cdr? 25 secondsish with uproar?
strong forum
35-40
earnest canyon
hm
pin says 40% cdr
90 seconds - 40% = 54 seconds
-uproar = 24
what am I missing?
strong forum
60sec - 24s = 36
earnest canyon
ohhh, Im stupid
hardy snow
how does recent tier changes affects raid in terms of playing 2x2p vs new 4p?
strong forum
Napkin says 2pc2pc for a long while
lusty grotto
😬
strong forum
If you get mythic pieces
daring marlin
GROSS
strong forum
As it stands rn vdh won't replace it's aberrus set at all
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
As it stands rn vdh won't replace it's aberrus set at all
Ya it’s almost like it’s an insanely broken set
And it just wasn’t noticed by a lot of people because the base spec is so bad that it just balances out to being good