B) I was 440 at the time
#protection
waxen frigate
strong forum
thats like finding the one piece
waxen frigate
Also it’s giga hard to parse on mag now if you’re in a good guild
Because you don’t get a third beacon
sick sentinel
yugioh, pokemon, seasons 0/1
those are the only anime i know
what in tarnation is a beyblade?
and a digimon? you mean pokemon ripoff?
opaque quest
Beyblade in a wooden crate are some of my favorite childhood memories
strong forum
same
lusty tiger
digimon fist season was cooler than pokemon 1st season
strong forum
Digimon anime is better than pokemon anime period
crimson furnace
👍🏻
strong forum
But the games of pokemon are just infinite Worlds better
lusty tiger
1000%
stark jewel
But the games of pokemon are just infinite Worlds better
Dragon quest monsters destroys pokemon
factual and not debatable
strong forum
Never played so I can't say
stark jewel
dqm joker had a synthesis mechanic allowing you to merge monsters in new ones, which is the sole reason why it blows other pokemon like games out of the park imo
some rare monsters required 4 specific "grandparents" to be created as opposed to two specific "parent" monsters
dqm joker 3 was only released in japan, only way to play it in english was through emulator with a community translation patch, so msot people thought theyd just kill the spin off after that, but a new one is coming out for switch 1st of december
im super excited
opaque quest
Im biased. Played blue then silver to death when i stayed with my grandparents
Best memories of my life
strong forum
Yellow/blue gold/crystal and emerald
opaque quest
Started working when i was 15. No more time for editions after silver/crystal
But looking at how the later pokemon games turned out doesnt look like i missed out
jagged pier
Nah gen 3 good
Platinum was good
Oras was good
Tbf even enjoyed the new one open world was a nice step
Just not done quite well
But like any AAA game wasnt tested enough and was forced out to meet a deadline
strong forum
also complacent af
waxen frigate
If you ain’t first you’re last
waxen frigate
When did I ask that
hardy snow
U asked where experiments 99 well i went back and got it
gz 👏
hardy snow
https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-247232...
btw. wait till those parses lock-in 😉
sick sentinel
They will still be 99 dw
I already paid off warcraft logs
Just imagine if i was 448
100s all day
hardy snow
100 guaranteed
sweet summit
so true
hardy snow
btw. if you didn't get 100 due to ilvl diff, you can just toggle rankings to ilvl ones 😉
waxen frigate
sick sentinel
I mean look at this
frank crystal
Hey everyone! How often do you guys use revenge as prot war? For m+. I have been getting to 20+ keys and I have been really only using it when it procs. Is that bad?
hardy snow
There is a 433 ilvl prot with higher tho what a chad
it was 1:49 fight, they bursted first boss in 5s
lusty tiger
Hey everyone! How often do you guys use revenge as prot war? For m+. I have been...
Is it because you are rage starved or because you are getting ss resets so often
hardy snow
Hey everyone! How often do you guys use revenge as prot war? For m+. I have been...
SS > TC > revenge
use revenge when you have SS and TC on cooldown
lusty tiger
Yes but… if it’s due to rage starting, he might be spamming ip too much
strong forum
your ratio between TC and revenge should be almost equal in m+
sick sentinel
how about, profession catch up
for 10.2
and 10.3
if 10.3 happen
for those that just creating or investing into alts
wtb
waxen frigate
RATIO? RATIO? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE KIDS SAYING THESE DAYS? RATIO? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF VIOLENT BRAIN DAMAGE? RATIO THIS, L THAT. ARE YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY MENTALLY CHALLENGED?
HOLY SHIT LIKE. RATIO IS A FUCKING MATH TERM YOU DERANGED DEGENERATE BASEMENT DWELLING MORONS
CAN YOU STUPID DENSE MOTHERFUCKERS SAY ANYTHING ELSE?
SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP
Sorry autocorrect
I meant yeah
sick sentinel
same but "who asked"
lusty tiger
RATIO? RATIO? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE KIDS SAYING THESE DAYS? RATIO? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF VIOLENT BRAIN DAMAGE? RATIO THIS, L THAT. ARE YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY MENTALLY CHALLENGED?
HOLY SHIT LIKE. RATIO IS A FUCKING MATH TERM YOU DERANGED DEGENERATE BASEMENT DWELLING MORONS
CAN YOU STUPID DENSE MOTHERFUCKERS SAY ANYTHING ELSE?
SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP
sick sentinel
orthere is other annoying phrase like who ask and ration
cringe is one, bruh, i dunno, how to to put it lmao, some of it is evolving by the day lingos
lusty tiger
Cringe is an important word yogi
sick sentinel
i feel your pain and understand your message, but i don't resonate fully with it and will not signal boost your message, is what i am saying
to be direct
i maxxed out on professions on my warrior almost, but nothing for my alt dk,
daring marlin
lol, lmao
sick sentinel
this is not to say i dislike new profession
daring marlin
You mean your future MAIN DK?
sick sentinel
i can repair all gear on warrior for free
this is fucking huge
i assume leather and mail crafting and cloth, has similiar if not the very same
strong forum
plate repair costs are higher than other armor types
sick sentinel
free on demand repair is free on demand repair :S
not broken gear = get back to fighting or whatever
static aspen
RATIO? RATIO? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE KIDS SA...
My daily shit vs piss ratio is 2:1
You are welcome
waxen frigate
Born to shit forced to wipe
static aspen
I dont wipe. It uses paper and paper is cut trees
sick sentinel
this would be exactly me on hc wow
i would get to lvl 15 or so and get cocky and start mokgoraing everyone or taking on stupid quests and then die 20 minutes later, i know for 1 billion % fact this is how its going to ends
static aspen
That doesn't look like protection warrior retail related video at all. Ill put a dislike icon on that then
lusty tiger
Born to shit forced to wipe
Don’t wipe then
waxen frigate
That doesn't look like protection warrior retail related video at all. Ill put a...
Agreed
Please keep the chat focused and appropriate in the future @sick sentinel
Or else I will have to inform the moderators with a written notice.
static aspen
Or else I will have to inform the moderators with a written notice.
I will sign it with my e-signature
sick sentinel
its not even embellishment to say thats how id act on hc
balmy canyon
What do you guys play as tank alts? Looking for something else to try in addition prot warrior
warm plinth
paladin, druid
sick sentinel
i dont get how people are overlooking how good bdk will be with legendary weapon
it would be very strong
strong forum
I don't play alts
And if I were to play one, probably vdh
Vdh plays just like a tanky dps
opaque quest
it would be very strong
Wheres the link to the source for the effects of the legy axe?
sick sentinel
i know for fact that BDK dies to WCM tree if it doesn't have blue man SW equilance 50% DR
i don't remember name i juist know its same as our SW basicalyl
strong forum
Bdk gets progressively stronger vs tree boss
warm plinth
blue man?
strong forum
Until it gets 1shot through bloodshield
But until that point, bdk should be immortal
opaque quest
Laughs in purgatory
sick sentinel
its on left side dk main talents
opaque quest
Hes talking about IBF
sick sentinel
ya
opaque quest
None DK enjoyer
sick sentinel
my dk friend was doing the tree fight on some wcm key
and he said on discord, he died cuz he didnt have it
warm plinth
Well then I guess BDK just can't do the boss
sick sentinel
thats only context i rmember, maybe he die to lightning? im not sure
warm plinth
Because it happens way more often than every 3 mins 
strong forum
No he's just bad
opaque quest
^
strong forum
Player skill is by far and large the biggest contributor to failure in wow (not classic)
sick sentinel
well, we learned him to get good, he come back in current expansion and i tried to make ammends
didnt work
last i checkhed hes doin 18-20s in season 1
jagged pier
U have to save runic power dont forget that
sick sentinel
yeah, well, it took a bunch of time to get him to think like that, all of us in that guild was ksm end of bfa tho
warm plinth
#1 bdk mistake, death strike spam
sharp dew
Poor rune+rp management=death
south zealot
#1 bdk mistake is using rune tap
opaque quest
Jup. But with 6k haste rp management shouldnt be a problem. If it is maybe reroll
sick sentinel
UH dk was really good in bfa was crazy good
opaque quest
fk rune tap lol
waxen frigate
#1 bdk mistake is using rune tap
UE
jagged pier
Mexican rune tap was cool but most of u probably dont know what that is cause its old
opaque quest
Oh boi. Turning unholy and frost into death runes lmao
Wasnt it that?
Or into blood
opaque quest
Ye i know but hes talking about OG rune tap no?
strong forum
Ah you mean jakey
strong forum
I dont remember shit shit about old dk
waxen frigate
Current rune tap had some applications in shadowlands at least
strong forum
In wrath I only played it until level 62
waxen frigate
Idk about now
south zealot
i was a chad dk back in the day
opaque quest
Played DK as main since Cata except now and then
I got realm first deathwing as blood. Tanking the mixture on spine was pain
waxen frigate
Realm first 
opaque quest
No cutting edge back then
strong forum
Realm first 
jagged pier
Bring back realm first
jagged pier
And bring back 10 man
strong forum
It'd be sick
warm plinth
I miss 10 man raid 😦
jagged pier
I would enjoy raiding more if it were 10 tbh
south zealot
i wouldnt
jagged pier
But balancing issues etc, but also who cares
south zealot
im too stupid to manage important mechanics
opaque quest
Fuck 25 man. Balance for 10
jagged pier
F
strong forum
opaque quest
Y true. 25 is easier. Ppl need the wheelchair ❤️
Apart from molten heart maybe on echo
static aspen
10men raiding guilds felt like home. 20+ raiding guilds feel like shit. Also, you always have not enough people.
opaque quest
For us it was the opposite. Since we planned for 25 and 3 ppl dipping we had 28 and when everyone showed up it was chaos. Our 10 man felt like family so nobody was mad when benched
sick sentinel
i wonder how many stacks we can get to on the tree boss on say a 20, or 24 or whatever is exiciting to you guys
lusty tiger
mighty valley
you earned nothing - you lost the friendship of a cow
warm plinth
^
warm plinth
what kinda dummy sells a cow for $1k and then buys the same cow again for $1100
lusty tiger
The dummy who’s got a deal setup to resell it at 1300
chilly brook
what kinda dummy sells a cow for $1k and then buys the same cow again for $1100
One that never wanted to part with it at that time
strong forum
750 BigMacs
opaque quest
lusty tiger
Isn’t McDonald’s international
opaque quest
Yeah but we dont do math in burgers
opaque quest
lusty tiger
I forgot about the time I was taught to do math in burgers my b
strong forum
Question is if anybody is actually gonna answer the thing
lusty tiger
These Florida schools man
opaque quest
Florida has schools? Im sure they are called jail over there
opaque quest
Nice one
Makes sense. From school shooting straight into a cell. Thats efficiency. You could be german
lusty tiger
One of the jails down by where I live is actually one of the most expensive properties in the area
It is on the intra coastal lol
opaque quest
Whats intra coastal
opaque quest
Halfblood american. Part vodka part bigmac sauce in the veins
lusty tiger
Yeah pretty sick combo
opaque quest
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracoastal_Waterway
Oh got it
lusty tiger
What’s that Eastern European brandy called again
lusty tiger
It isn’t brandy
opaque quest
Oh then no idea lol
strong forum
The math problem
waxen frigate
Didn’t ask
strong forum
Wow.
strong forum
waxen frigate
modern brook
I forgot about the time I was taught to do math in burgers my b
burgernometry was a rough course tbh
static aspen
Wish id be counting in burgers and paid in them too
opaque quest
P O G finally
sick sentinel
i'd be re-rolling to dk or hunter or mage i think, or rogue
any of those sou nd alright
maybe ret
sick sentinel
2h frost dk
lucid dew
How is prot warrior looking ptr. Doorki sounded positive
opaque quest
2h frost dk
Obli is great because it uses the same stats as unholy
Haste>=master>crit>vers
No
Mastery>=haste that way
sick sentinel
finally got the oil station for boats, so eventually boa ring
- the fist weapon brawl thing cant be too hard
opaque quest
Yogi speaking in riddles
grand veldt
Quick question
Can I use last stand before the countdown of the key? like incarn?
and if it doesnt work, would it work if it didnt have the CDR talent that makes it 3 min?
lusty tiger
Can I use last stand before the countdown of the key? like incarn?
yes and rallying
grand veldt
ty
lusty tiger
@strong forum how does blizzard review ptr testing?
strong forum
wdym how
they have their data, logs + whatever has been reported + what people post on forums
opaque quest
and if it doesnt work, would it work if it didnt have the CDR talent that makes ...
You keep the 4p too. Always LS before
strong forum
yes using LS just before starting the key is good
you can even use LS while the 4pc bonus is active
to get additional CDR going in combat
and have full 35seconds of 4pc buff active at the start of a key
opaque quest
Thats what im doing usually. Pre LS then on first pull straight into another LS
Wether i need it or not for 4p deeeepz
waxen frigate
yes and rallying
Doesn’t rally go away
lusty tiger
idr
waxen frigate
Either way you get at most 5sec out of it
strong forum
not even
if you talent into long rally
you get 3 seconds of it when the bubble fades
strong forum
10
lusty tiger
well
waxen frigate
And even then
lusty tiger
it was better when we had fleshcraft
waxen frigate
3sec of rally
sick sentinel
https://ackreply.ytmnd.com/ i found this masterpiece of a ytmnd today
no idea what hes on about, but hes angry
lusty tiger
what is ytmnd
sick sentinel
YOUR THE MAN NOW DOG
and the entire site is memes like this
in this exact format, with the text jumping out and repeating image and then sometimes sounds
vocal nimbus
@strong forum yo
forgestorm doing 5-6% on MM sarkareth or a 447 mainstat weapon?
what would you say hits harder overall
strong forum
forgestorm wins if it actually does that much dmg
but youre at the mercy of rng for it to do that
waxen frigate
@vocal nimbus what are ur thoughts on gambling
vocal nimbus
sadge
lusty tiger
/roll 420
strong forum
frogstorm can do as much as 1% or 9%
waxen frigate
Literally gamba weapon
strong forum
que
waxen frigate
Bad mog is a Dps loss so it’s understandable
sick sentinel
i picked up alot of the warrior and dk account wide appearences, from season 1 at least
like the shoulders and helmet mostly i know, but i just love the way season 1 set looks, proably use it until 11.0
besides some shadowland mythic raid sets nothing else really comes close
uneven mason
vocal nimbus
how would you guys sim for sarkareth
waxen frigate
Probably do 5t 30sec and 1t 5min
Unless there’s a custom setting for sark but that’s a hassle
As a tank you will have a lot of downtime most likely
Quite literally
sick sentinel
can we do night elf undead ones already
opaque quest
can we do night elf undead ones already
First i need more ghoul transmoggs for my unholy
Ill take sylvanas in a bikini thanks
opaque quest
Sylvanas in a potatoe sack then
strong forum
🥛
It's his YouTube Editor and Manager just clickbaiting the shit out of asmons react content
grand veldt
How does spell block work mitigation wise
strong forum
It's block but for spell
grand veldt
Does it work off our armor amount?
grand veldt
Is block pre armor mitigation or post?
strong forum
Block is the mitigation
sick sentinel
for spell block it has to do with your block value, so the ilvl of ur shield
spell block will do up to 100% of that number
sick sentinel
bit more complicated than that, but ya, , cuz for a normal white melee it stops at 85% dr
strong forum
Paladins holy shield is the same
But they have mastery ontop of that
sick sentinel
TLDR, you still have to be able to block the spell (youi cant block they summon a giant tornadoe or a cleave) and i think you have to facing it and i think ou have to have shield block up as well or its only % chance to block the spell
grand veldt
When does my armor come into the equation of me taking damage
Say the mob hits for 1k
My physical is 50%
Block reduces the damage by50%
What's the order
strong forum
its both multiplicative
there is no order
the only order that matters
is that shields/flat absorbs
come after % mitigation
sick sentinel
the tool tip that says you take 69% reduced dmg from armor vs at target is a bit of a red hering isnt it
strong forum
physical dmg mitigation is capped at 85% from armor and block
grand veldt
Yeah but I'm trying to understand does it block the amount of damage I would take before it calculates my armor or after
Like if I put a damage reduction on them
strong forum
after, but the outcome is the same
grand veldt
It calculates that first
strong forum
its multiplication stacked ontop of each other, the order doesnt matter for multiplication
grand veldt
Okay weird
strong forum
no thats just how multiplication works
grand veldt
So armor has no effect on spell block
strong forum
correct
sick sentinel
is it a literal bedmas thing
grand veldt
And the block value of the shield is the most it can block of an incoming spell?
strong forum
no
block value determines how much % you mitigate when you block
its not a flat value
its a % mitigation
waxen frigate
no thats just how multiplication works
Pemdas
grand veldt
Okay what's the values roughly speaking with a 447 shield
sick sentinel
you cannot recieve more block value in any other way, than by equipping a newer or bigger shields
grand veldt
On average I can expect to block how much out of a 100k spell
lusty tiger
Pemdas <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Commutative
grand veldt
Naturally
strong forum
that reduces the effectiveness of block/stagger/armor
grand veldt
Is there a spreadsheet with this info
grand veldt
I know theres a spreadsheet for what can be spell blocked
strong forum
but anyway
grand veldt
And reflected
strong forum
you can expect a spellblock to be ~50%
and a crit-spellblock 100%
this is specific to spellblock as it does not follow the armor formula
its literally only block
waxen frigate
Is there a spreadsheet with this info
The actual K values? You honestly prob don’t really want that
And almost certainly don’t need it
grand veldt
Alright, ty for the info
sick sentinel
relfected is magical clynders from yugioh
strong forum
its not relevant to know the exact k-values, but its good to mention
grand veldt
Yeah I was just trying to understand the amount I could block spells
sick sentinel
they atack you, it goes back to them hits hem in the face
grand veldt
I thought you could block the ticks on shards in NL?
grand veldt
Oh cool
strong forum
but it doesnt help with the scarier part, the dot
grand veldt
Yeah lol
strong forum
which is real bullshit
grand veldt
Does anything remove that dot besides prot pal?
strong forum
cuz prot pala can block dots
waxen frigate
I might do mythic reclear (like 5 or 7 bosses) on my pwarr—any notable spell block fights?
grand veldt
And diffuse
median tulip
Oh god. Is it the time of the season when we have to talk about k values again
waxen frigate
Does anything remove that dot besides prot pal?
Are you talking about the duress
Or the tank buster
Because I don’t think pally can get rid of the tank buster
strong forum
I might do mythic reclear (like 5 or 7 bosses) on my pwarr—any notable spell blo...
rashok its comfy to have
grand veldt
aslong as theyre inside consecration
Defense stance doesnt reduce it?
waxen frigate
rashok its comfy to have
Do I just rip it as the first combo comes out to cover the first 2
grand veldt
I rerolled from prot pal bc you can die through 2 cds and sentinel
strong forum
can do that infinitely according to jakey
grand veldt
Which is fucking cringe
waxen frigate
Ya that sounds abt right
strong forum
issue with paladin currently
waxen frigate
As long as you play correctly to get the SW CDR
strong forum
is that outside sentinel the spec doesnt function
strong forum
SR is up for everything
grand veldt
Even with sentinel I promise its dogshit
strong forum
free 20% mit
waxen frigate
grand veldt
I was barely timing 22s and was constantly dying through 2 cds
waxen frigate
And I just use LS purely offensively?
strong forum
yea
strong forum
I was barely timing 22s and was constantly dying through 2 cds
wellllll
in 22s that aint a class issue
waxen frigate
Prot way more fun than BDK
grand veldt
Using LS offensively can help you defensively
waxen frigate
So I’m hoping to swap to it for alt raid
waxen frigate
Using LS offensively can help you defensively
Well yea
I just haven’t ever raided as prot
strong forum
experiments and especially zskarn FUCKING SUCK
opaque quest
Raiding as tank is soo soo boring
strong forum
you hate your life on zskarn
waxen frigate
Raiding as tank is soo soo boring
That’s why you parse
waxen frigate
you hate your life on zskarn
Way ahead of you
opaque quest
That’s why you parse
HC parses tho
waxen frigate
strong forum
raiding as tank is like raiding as a dps, except you get to do some more mechanics
grand veldt
What's the best LS uptime we can get in a dungeon this season?
waxen frigate
HC parses tho
Heroic is boring on anything
grand veldt
I saw bobas had like 21%
opaque quest
Heroic is boring on anything
Heroic as a dps with a friend on the same specc is the real shit. Like the olympics
strong forum
in fh i had 21.6%
grand veldt
That's pretty good
waxen frigate
you hate your life on zskarn
Zskarn is just praying and sending everything on CD when you have stacks I assume
strong forum
in UR 20.8%
waxen frigate
Bc u ain’t blocking the dot kekw
strong forum
and thats on logs
so active uptime is higher
but yeah
i guess around 21% is good
🤷♂️
grand veldt
Oh yeah logs isnt like details
grand veldt
Yeah
strong forum
so if you die alot
your log stats are fucked
not just from losing dmg on a pack, but also just from not being active
but like LS uptime is just pressing SS and LS on CD
and then you win
not rly a thing to look out for
dusky canopy
New Build Tuning
- Rallying Cry nerfed from 15 -> 10% temp health.
- Inspiring Presence (Rally talent) removed.
From arch in arms
FFS
modern gazelle
bro
rally cry nerfs???
fucking abysmal what else do we have that people woudl want at this point
torn gust
nothing :y
rustic knot
How we feeling about the tier changes?
strong forum
less dmg
but we get 14-16% DR buff, not just on main target
TR CDR is huge on 4pc
rustic knot
Yeah the DR is kinda nuts and the cdr
strong forum
CDR was expected
vale escarp
rustic knot
Means roar is like 30-40 second if you talent short roar right?
Cus you could get like 8-10 seconds off of it before and it's 3 sec now
modern gazelle
not looking great for next season boys
dusky canopy
Warrior down bad with that change
Now there’s only ever one of us
You seen multiple before because rally
chilly brook
not looking great for next season boys
it'll be fine
balmy canyon
Like it was for 90% of shadowlands?
fallow beacon
2pc gobbling all your bleeds for only 40% of remaining damage seems real shite
vestal moat
lost offense for defense
chrome falcon
it's worse for raid
rustic knot
You'd almost never want to SS off your roar then right
chrome falcon
but so much better for m+
chilly brook
plus pretty sure the next season m+ pool is pretty good for us
fallow beacon
imagine ripping a roar and then shield slamming it off immediately for 40% effectiveness
strong forum
Means roar is like 30-40 second if you talent short roar right?
yeah smth like that
fallow beacon
and its not like we arent going to press shield slam
balmy canyon
I was hoping they'd only pull 40% of the bleed duration off of the ability not fully clear it or it could be a net negative to use the tier
chilly brook
Like it was for 90% of shadowlands?
warrior was fine dare I say good for most of SL
vestal moat
We gonna have close to 100% uptime on the 2p dr right?
chilly brook
S2 onwards was just a steady climb of better and better
and S1 was not nearly as scuffed as people like to whine about
strong forum
We gonna have close to 100% uptime on the 2p dr right?
~80-100%
the DR is huge for m+
consuming TR on ST will SUCK
cuz you lose 60% dmg of TR
rend and dw is w/e
if the tierset can crit now its still really good
modern gazelle
no rage from thunderclap now too? but we root?
chilly brook
cuz you lose 60% dmg of TR
isn't it only consuming 40%?
strong forum
no rage from thunderclap now too? but we root?
ignore that
chilly brook
and it's still doing the dam
strong forum
thats just datamine shit
balmy canyon
If they don't change it think we'll go for spear in ST rather than roar?
strong forum
huh
chilly brook
If they don't change it think we'll go for spear in ST rather than roar?
wut
that's negative synergy
fallow beacon
eating your roar for 40% effective damage is negative synergy haha
balmy canyon
if the set eats roar for 40% of the damage, then the question is does spear do more than 40% of roars damage in ST
chilly brook
eating your roar for 40% effective damage is negative synergy haha
you forget the second part of the set
no
strong forum
you get 3x as many roars per fight
chilly brook
because you're getting less spears
strong forum
but only deal 40% of their original dmg
but you buff your tierset dmg by 15%
vs spear
chrome falcon
to the main target*
strong forum
hmmge
chrome falcon
so it's gonna be wild on aoe
chilly brook
ya'll ignoring this portion if you think you'd run spear
we're going to be consuming a shit ton of bleeds
fallow beacon
3x as many roars at 40% effectiveness just seems dog
chilly brook
you're going to have a lot of roars
jagged pier
Your too focused on the 40% thing
strong forum
3x as many roars at 40% effectiveness just seems dog
as if thats not gonna get fixed
come on bro
waxen frigate
3x as many roars at 40% effectiveness just seems dog
That’s 120% 🙂
maiden ravine
that 50% rally nerf ooof
jagged pier
Hopefully they have fixed the crit issue too. Yes its sucks to consume TR hopedully it will be fixed but eh
chilly brook
that 50% rally nerf ooof
yeah that's something I'm not a huge fan of
such a weird change
fallow beacon
rally was busted
jagged pier
They just dont want warrior in raid its fine
stone jewel
rally was busted
so they make it worthless?
maiden ravine
They don't want to design mechanics around requiring rally to survive? That sounds healthier long term for design
chilly brook
just because Max says Rally OP doesn't mean it is for literally everyone
fallow beacon
10% temp hp to everyone with no chanelling requirement or set up is not worthless
chilly brook
They don't want to design mechanics around requiring rally to survive? That soun...
I don't think there are any mechanics requiring rally
tbh
strong forum
TLDR for new PTR Patch
- 2pc
- offensive part heavily nerfed single target dmg (100%->40%) but we now apply the DR buff on ourselves which is a huge defensive boost
- can still not crit at its normal rates
- does not work with FbV
- 4pc - TR CDR buffed to 3sec which is pretty much effectively 40% CDR
chilly brook
They don't want to design mechanics around requiring rally to survive? That soun...
ironic considering aug does the same thing
:kekw
it's just party wide
maiden ravine
I'm sure avoker defensive's are gonna get gutted hard sooner or later
I say that as someone who loves and plays avoker
vale escarp
Btw could Thunderlord be an option? Since we can reset TC?
jagged pier
almost like u should check the pins
jagged pier
Yer but it still has rsk so unfun
maiden ravine
what's wrong with rsk?
jagged pier
Its unfun playstyle
strong forum
such a weird change
it makes sense as we are, iirc, the only tank or dps that can provide a relevant defensive raid CD
waxen frigate
it moves you
No
strong forum
doesnt it still make you jump
jagged pier
No thats whirling dragon kick
strong forum
aha
i dont speak monk
also i have suspicion
that the flag change from "deal melee ability" on Thunderclap might fix the range issue of it
earnest canyon
its only for dps specs, right?
fast knot
To stop the Ignore Pain interaction yeah?
vale escarp
Its only for Arms
earnest canyon
I mean reaper got buffed under unholy
but got buffed for all 3 specs
scared for AM
strong forum
if you read here
it only says for arms "on attacks" on the right tooltip
modifier for prot is "10 rage you spend"
modifier for arms is "20 rage you spend on attacks"
lusty karma
They just deleted inspiring presence right? So then we get a talent back for raid I guess
Was kinda hoping they’d leave it as prot only, give us a benefit to bringing to raid over other warriors
jagged pier
U do in raid nome
strong forum
perma?
jagged pier
U have the spare point
jagged pier
The extra hp is a god send on the mechanics u use it for
strong forum
🤷♂️
jagged pier
There also no reason not to run it
fallow beacon
Ye didn't leave my talents on prog
lusty karma
Would’ve been nice if we kept it so we get 15 and arms/fury get 10, I get they want to overhaul all major raid cd’s so I’m expecting AMZ and Darkness will also get hit, would feel bad if they only hit warriors when Prot already is bottom for raid. Also hoping they exclude TR from the 60% nerf as that’ll feel really bad
fallow beacon
Will be missed
sleek current
I've missed a bunch but... Are we certain this bullshit 5% nerf to Rallying Cry is happening?
fallow beacon
Literally datamined
lusty karma
They’re gutting most major raid cd’s I thought and those 2 come to mind as similar
jagged pier
Because they dont want raid cds to be a thing
And are probably going to tune stuff for healers to do
They just trying to make raiding easier
They have said it multiple times
strong forum
or just less mandatory raid defensives
from X class
cuz warrior bringin Bshout and Rally is quite OP
compared to any other DPS
jagged pier
Like the amount of guild we see on experiments now that dont have a class with an aa slow is sad
sleek current
Have they fixed the range on TC yet or is that part of this datamine because, it's a little hard to read.
jagged pier
That might be fixed
sleek current
I hope so if we're going to be spamming it for a whole patch. 😄
lusty karma
Does the tier set put Thunderlord over Show of Force now? Would assume so with more tclaps
strong forum
2pc can crit now
jagged pier
Normal crit rate?
strong forum
ye
strong forum
wait hol up
strong forum
nvm
sleek current
Are they making Thunderclap a root?
jagged pier
Never mind what?
strong forum
Are they making Thunderclap a root?
ignore that, its a pvp talent mixed into the tooltip
just datamine string nonsense
nothing that affects the game
sleek current
Aaaah! Thank you. I was really struggling with the potato fart language. 😂
grand veldt
The new 4pc
strong forum
crit still kaka
grand veldt
That's actually insane isnt it
strong forum
no its just finally normal
jagged pier
Fucking
grand veldt
Nerf to rally was cringe
But guardian got giga fucked
They are now bottle necked for giga pulls like all the other tanks
lusty karma
Blood got a buff, guardian got smacked with a target cap and a buff to absorption, VDH darkness maybe nerfed (15% in raid, double outside of raid, looks like 5% nerf for raid and 10% buff for m+)
grand veldt
And does our 2p now give us a shield instead of do damage?
strong forum
thats a 5% buff to darkness
darkness DR was 10%
or do you mean likelihood of dodging attack from 20->15%
grand veldt
Darkness has an 80% chance to do nothing I thought
strong forum
okay so its a dodge chance nerf
lusty karma
Yeah dodge nerf
Seems like Brew/BDK/PWar all look good for raid, will depend on fights now I think
sharp ruin
u think this damage nerf is so big shit for us guys?
pallid quiver
Riot? Riot
sharp ruin
and we are like the lowest ST tank damage with blood xD
so we will be so bad in raid now
lusty karma
I think I would’ve preferred a nerf to proc rate over damage % as now if they want to exclude TR it’ll be weird to word it, also consuming bleeds for less damage than they’d normally do feels bad
sick sentinel
i wonder if there is ever a point we stop taking shockwave because roar 30s cdr
sharp ruin
i think now is ST we will be like a shit damage tank like we are now ahah
grand veldt
Most tanks are shit ST
sick sentinel
but yeah undersuck
strong forum
Most tanks are shit ST
?
sharp ruin
nope man , guardians are doing like 100k+ in ST
sharp forge
It says a damage reduction
They reduced our damage by 60% on 2 for instead 14%-16% DR and Pwarrior do more AoE damage now on 4 set
sick sentinel
I still hate underrot 😦
sharp dew
That’s some FAT DR
grand veldt
Yeah
strong forum
what is a mechanic lmfao
which one?
torn gust
lol
grand veldt
I got a macro I can make for shield slam to hit a different target after each cast
lusty karma
Think he’s just shitting in his group not doing the mechanic and spawning 100 tics
grand veldt
So you dont have to bother hitting tab
sharp ruin
https://i.imgur.com/xEMOPnU.png
this is with the nerfed tier set?
strong forum
yes
grand veldt
its a huge nerf to ST
Does it give a shield?
strong forum
wdym shield?
sleek current
Maybe, they're trying to put us in the gutter so we can have BL.
grand veldt
How does the damage reduction work
lusty karma
No shield, just a flat DR buff
grand veldt
On the 2pc
sharp dew
It gives us DR to everything instead of DR to one target
strong forum
its a buff now on yourself
sharp dew
And the 3s on TR looks juicy
strong forum
no longer a debuff on the target
grand veldt
That's sick
grim pilot
its a 14-16% DR buff
14-16%?
strong forum
i got 4 roars out in 2.5minute
sharp ruin
the fact is if they nerfed that so much , warrior will be the last tank is ST probably
grand veldt
With the talent?
grim pilot
I thought its 10
sharp ruin
cause they buffed dk tier set
grim pilot
ah
lusty karma
2pc 10%, 4pc 14-16% depending on if it eats your TR, which when it does will now feel terrible
grand veldt
This is actually a big buff for m+
sharp ruin
guys the fact is we will be very strong in AOE damage , but like the worst tank in ST probably
strong forum
if you play uproar
sharp dew
I mean avatar is am affected so that’s not really an answer you can give @balmy canyon
strong forum
TR and Avatar line up
grand veldt
That has to be
plush tendon
trying to rank the tanks based on numbers is a fools errand right now; most important thing if things are fun and functional
grand veldt
Play thubderlord
plush tendon
unlike Prot Paladin which is omega ded
sharp forge
SOOOO Pwarrior looking good af in keys along with VDH and brew and better than bear I keys come 10.2 but still under every other tank in st?
strong forum
who cares
plush tendon
SOOOO Pwarrior looking good af in keys along with VDH and brew and better than b...
we'll let you know sometime in.... November maybe?
strong forum
10.2 isnt for another 1.5 months
sick sentinel
nome angry picture
plush tendon
I think the prot war changes prob good though
mellow bridge
That's not angry
strong forum
it wont be until next year
sick sentinel
speaking of ~60% nerf
mellow bridge
That's disappointed
plush tendon
makes the set more applicable to M+ and raid
strong forum
when 10.2 meta is established
plush tendon
sharp forge
we'll let you know sometime in.... November maybe?
I have faith Pwarrior will comeback 😁👍
plush tendon
I have faith Pwarrior will comeback 😁👍
Prot War already best tank
everyone is just stupid
sick sentinel
i think that the obvious thing is going to happen
strong forum
Atal, WCM and DHT are very good dmg profiles for pwar
sick sentinel
and bdk is going to be insane
strong forum
no
grand veldt
So we dont lose ticks
lusty karma
Prot War already best tank
Spellwarding OP for raid still
sick sentinel
cuz leggo weapon + tank
grand veldt
Yeah I'm saying before
strong forum
as you put up both bleeds on 1 target instantly
grand veldt
It would consume the entire dot duration
sharp ruin
we will see our ST damage , if will be comparable to other tanks we will be super durable
strong forum
it still does consume the entire dot
grand veldt
Now you have ticks left over
strong forum
no
grand veldt
Oh
sharp ruin
like the DR is very big and strong
strong forum
you just deal less dmg with fervid
grand veldt
It just does less damage
strong forum
yes
plush tendon
Spellwarding OP for raid still
yea, you sacrifice one tank to be the paladin spellwarding person
and the other tank has fun
grand veldt
That's cringe
plush tendon
sick sentinel
speaking of atal dazar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m4SQ2NeSN4
sharp ruin
if we will do ST comparable damage to other tanks in ST with the DR we will get , we will be giga strong in raid too
strong forum
yeah over 1.5min
pallid quiver
That's the wow player way
grand veldt
Basrd
strong forum
i only pressed revenge 4 times
lusty karma
I’m more curious to see what I’ll take instead of Inspiring for raid now
grand veldt
I was born for this
maiden ravine
I'm so unhyped for the m+ pool.
strong forum
on all targets
grand veldt
No I will use devastate like a giga chad
maiden ravine
But that's largely cause I hate BfA dungeons
maiden ravine
Atal'dazar returning is like my own personal nightmare
strong forum
then target swap
grand veldt
Haha
strong forum
truly PINNACLE of gaming
grand veldt
Yeah so revenge talents are dog shit now
sick sentinel
so bfa clap master is back and i can play my prot warrior or what do you mean bois?
sick sentinel
truly PINNACLE of gaming
capstone?
pallid quiver
Don't talk shit about my boy sunder armor
grand veldt
Thunderlord bis
strong forum
so bfa clap master is back and i can play my prot warrior or what do you mean bo...
it was back all xpac
inland raft
How can she slap
grand veldt
Wait
Surely we untalented revenge
And get heroic throws deep wounds
With aoe heroic throw
sharp ruin
I mean guys , the ST damage will decide if we will be a good raid tank or not , cause the DR we will get is pretty big , but the 60% damage nerf of the 2p is a huge nerf for our ST damage
grand veldt
Lol st doesnt mean shit imo
thorny stone
Revenge under sidearm
grand veldt
Raids any tank can play
strong forum
ST is literally the most important dmg profile
lament shell
agree
grand veldt
Where how
strong forum
in m+
lament shell
m+
strong forum
like
aoe will be handled by DPS
if you do shit ST dmg as tank
timing keys is alot harder
grand veldt
You dont need to do good dps
Just spell reflect
Like why are you guys gaslighting me
sick sentinel
sr is huge in bfa dungeons its true but still
sharp ruin
We will see how much ST damage we will do with this nerf
grand veldt
Tank st dps is like within 20 or 30k dps
Of each other
Rn
I expect that to be even closer next patch
If you brick a key over 10k or 20k dps, I promise you that is the least of the issues in that run unless it's a 29+
sharp forge
timing keys is alot harder
💯% true
grand veldt
Great
sick sentinel
If you brick a key over 10k or 20k dps, I promise you that is the least of the i...
so ye thats how meta is formed. and you will get declined in 20 because your spec cant time 29s 😄
sharp ruin
Man ST damage for a tank is very important in 25-26s too , i hope we will do good ST damage after this nerf but i doubt it 😔
grand veldt
so ye thats how meta is formed. and you will get declined in 20 because your spe...
Here I'll make a meta prediction rn
Only warrior tanks will be in 31 and 30 WCM
lusty karma
If you brick a key over 10k or 20k dps, I promise you that is the least of the i...
Right, the problem is in the highest keys is where meta gets defined, and even though it’s not required for lower content that won’t stop everyone from following it regardless
sick sentinel
Only warrior tanks will be in 31 and 30 WCM
if they dont nerf sr
grand veldt
Shut your whore mouth
inland raft
Blizzard devs, “maybe we should call it spell resist instead and remove the reflect part”
grand veldt
I'd actually cry
lusty karma
Why bother when half the spells don’t reflect anyway
grand veldt
And try to get diffuse magic dunked too
lusty karma
Let me SR bosses
sick sentinel
thats why i liked to play in bfa
lusty karma
Hit Sark with his own bs
sick sentinel
and sl was like deflect deflect deflect
grand veldt
Ther3s a lot more to SR in this mythic season
Everblooms most constant mobs have one
2 bosses in bloom
lusty karma
Ther3s a lot more to SR in this mythic season
Mmm I’d wait on that, they reworked spells in Freehold I expect they’ll do it for these as well, but if they don’t then sure
grand veldt
They added spells in FH
grand veldt
I dont knowing they removed any
lusty karma
They added spells in FH
They made spells that you could kick, unkickable
sharp forge
I mean true it isnt used for many bosses it seems but for bosses like the second boss in plains in season one . . . . I felt blessed to be a warrior and to be able to SR that water asshole of a boss
grand veldt
The duelist
strong forum
what about it
grand veldt
They arent in the original FH
strong forum
yes they are