If you care about fast, you do it my way
#protection
opaque quest
Yea thats what i do
cerulean tusk
It is the way
opaque quest
I do a /who with my usual consorts and ppl tend to be terminally online like me
cerulean tusk
The list is always online, they are "I am not a bot" 24/7 online crafters
sick sentinel
i just find whoever if i dont do it my self
full set enjoyer need good shield and wepon mog tho 😦
modern brook
There are none sorry
sick sentinel
i typically go by whatever's newest set or mixed with something cool
Treasure trove
Wtf
blazing condor
squid game
sick sentinel
Bro BG3 vibes
waxen frigate
full set enjoyer need good shield and wepon mog tho 😦
Full set Andy why am I not surprised
Mix of cata greens and human heritage
cerulean tusk
full set enjoyer need good shield and wepon mog tho 😦
Where helm?
sick sentinel
Where helm?
Nelf head better
cerulean tusk
Helm.
sick sentinel
no
cerulean tusk
no u
sick sentinel
U make me feel safe
cerulean tusk
oh u
sick sentinel
Look at this sexy cow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRt7qRwj43g i would love if they could get this youtuber or karl jobst to cover the MDI type events where its about speed run stuff
could listen to both of them talk for hours
sick sentinel
if you havent ever watched a summoning salt video i would ask you to try watching it
cerulean tusk
I tried, I fell asleep between his words
dusky canopy
Guys living in BFA
warm plinth
do we go bolster on 2 set
2
sick sentinel
i hate freehold now slightly more than i ddi before
after running it at 18
i truly forgot how deadly the grenades are at the start
those grenades give my group all types of trouble
fluid beacon
anyone know if PTR servers are region locked or something
i can log into servers other guildies are incompatible to
daring marlin
Look at this sexy cow
sick flower
sick sentinel
This evoker hard RPing, he looks like his mount
Stripes and everything
poor bethesda can never live down the bucket thief memes now
opaque quest
Yeah the bucket thief memes are a problem. Not the unoptimized pile of dogshit they sell for 100€
proper roost
some good drama on reddit today
JRE fans are freaking out because listening to joe rogan was polled to be a red flag for dating among young women
proper roost
🍿
strong forum
this whole redflag bullshit
is a red flag to begin with
so like
anybody who partook in it
is just as dumb
lucid pasture
is a red flag to begin with
whats uhm the tier set called boss
strong forum
ye ok so no wonder SS is this low
lucid pasture
wait but is the tier set really that fucking 17.7%
strong forum
it is cuz hes undersending SS
simple pier
yeah there's just a fuckload of adds
strong forum
and primarily sending SS with tierproc up
simple pier
next boss is st
warm plinth
Especially if there's a damage amp on the boss lol
Like he should anyway but why would you not SS into a 100% damage amp
warm plinth
I'm sure he did, but I mean consistently
simple pier
was literally our only halfway playable pull too cause the lag was insane
simple pier
clappin cheeks
strong forum
primarily cuz you get so many TC resets
lucid pasture
yehhaawww motherfucker
strong forum
where you want to reapply rend on prio target
lusty grotto
dawn2 having the running thing in keys is kind of bullshit
strong forum
its still SS > TC soda
strong forum
im not a big thunderclapper sorry
proper roost
you play hpal i forgot sorry
Toxic af
lusty grotto
nome plays HPAL!?
proper roost
i hope u choke on ur soda
lucid pasture
lusty grotto
dawn2 seems to be aids for everyone
lusty grotto
running section
lusty grotto
they fixed WCM, has all doors opened
strong forum
BY MYSELF
proper roost
even if all the WCM doors are open, isn't there a single optimal path
lucid pasture
we will reach 3.8k io
lusty grotto
yes kanga
strong forum
just like in BFA
proper roost
cya next year
strong forum
lmao
lusty grotto
its still a decent dungeon
strong forum
people just didnt even do WCM if they didnt get the correct door
lusty grotto
yup
proper roost
ya the BFA dungeons probably own, i don't have an issue with WCM
strong forum
actually only 3 routes
lucid pasture
i saw some people in high keys just like leave the dungeon if they didnt get the right door
proper roost
it's the two old dungeons that i don't want to do ever
lusty grotto
im just watching dorki on dawn2 right now and its fucking aids
strong forum
im just watching dorki on dawn2 right now and its fucking aids
its entirely untuned
so like
lusty grotto
keys will be depleted if you can get through the running dodge section
strong forum
youre doing a dungeon
lusty grotto
cant*
strong forum
that is baseline scaled to a +16 on m0
and adding m+ scaling ontop of that
with trash not being tuned whatsoever
strong forum
is RP in the key?
lusty grotto
uhhh not too long of it so far
not a lot of RP in this section anyway
but the part where you have to zoom and dodge shit or you get ported back is still in
strong forum
fun
lusty grotto
which is fucking questionable on mythic plus
pallid quiver
Naturally; the stealth section was in Mechagon, so
strong forum
also hellscream looking as dumb of a boss as ever
lusty grotto
yeah the mechagon clone, except its fucking worse lol
strong forum
literally 0 mechanics
pallid quiver
I'm just more butt hurt about the zoom dodge section because they chose to have dips on the floor you can get bounced off of, losing control of your char
lusty grotto
ye
strong forum
i dont like that the animations of the gauntlet arent truthful
the big frontal is shorter than displayed
pallid quiver
it was also weird to me you can't cut past mobs too tightly since they send you back, too
lusty grotto
yea
strong forum
if youre alone
all mobs also focus you
its not a pattern or random
so if you go as a group its easier than when alone
pallid quiver
It feels bad when they 180 insta turn to blast you
strong forum
also
all trinkets are still awful
except pip
anvil shits on every single trinket
lusty grotto
lol
strong forum
they need some heavy number tuning
especially this garbage
fades after 180k dmg done
last week this was uncapped
so you could do 1mil dmg if you got it during CDs
and on aoe just omega destroy if shit aligned
but now its literally worthless
lusty grotto
haha yeah i caught that
strong forum
like bruh
proper roost
but the part where you have to zoom and dodge shit or you get ported back is sti...
i mean its at the start of the key tho which isnt that bad
and the portal exists
strong forum
its not at the start of the key
pallid quiver
After first boss and a chunk of trash
strong forum
its like 10 minute into the dungeon
strong forum
no
pallid quiver
but at least it's before morchie
So mega bad pugs will get filtered before they get filtered
strong forum
tyr is the first boss
proper roost
Oh I'm dumb I forgot the port is before tyr
lusty grotto
iridikron is last boss of dawn1
lusty grotto
i think
strong forum
and like 4 trash packs
lusty grotto
it kinda seems the timer is very generous though
proper roost
either way, i doubt the gauntlet is a huge issue
lots of ways to cheese it too i mean
strong forum
wont be an issue
proper roost
bubble being free for the last 20% of it is good enough
proper roost
yeah I can see that
strong forum
like 4minutes of RP
proper roost
is the sand trash area shitty
lusty grotto
yeah it is
proper roost
i felt like that would be
yeah
a huge run killer
since people died constantly to it in regular megadungeon
really inconsistent spawns and aggro and all that shit
strong forum
it still hurts just as bad
the explosion of the aoe circle
almost 1shots on a 24
unavoidable aoe circle
that also throws a dot on you
for 75k dmg every 0.5sec
casual 150k dtps
proper roost
so how did them just straight scaling the breath on Deios go
anyone get oneshot by like 500k overkill yet
lusty grotto
well dorki didnt have much issue with it
the dot still chunks
but the initial hit isnt outrageous, this was a fort key though
grand veldt
And what level was the key?
strong forum
tanks are way tankier rn on ptr m+ testing
cuz k-value is wrong
one of the reasons why brew is so good
also their tierset does ~150% more than it should cuz of bugs
proper roost
cuz k-value is wrong
ELI5
lusty grotto
K value seems aligned with current live gear
which means stuff should hit harder when they fix it
simple pier
second boss
lusty grotto
why does this details breakdown look so wrong?
its not about tier
its like he doesnt really know how to play
but at least ss is up top this time
strong forum
hes prolly not using outburst on shield slam
and just sending it at random
how much dps did his fervid bite do
lusty grotto
yeah it looks really wrong
strong forum
cuz thats my breakdown from dummy
simple pier
idk, was just sharing lol
strong forum
just hover over it
or well, click on it
you can see the dps on the right side
shield slam would also do
simple pier
Oh I meant idk about how he's playing
simple pier
It's on there just really low
strong forum
ah so i see
hes trying to snipe his TR
with fervid bite
maybe
(which isnt a dps gain)
simple pier
he might be saving it for the spears
not sure, I mean we just looking at ptr so I'm sure he isn't real sure what to do tbh lol
strong forum
you dont happen to have a log of it?
simple pier
I do
modern brook
How is tr not in the top 14 damaging spells you cast?
simple pier
jk it's fucked
strong forum
f
strong forum
yeah ok
hes massively underusing SS
the interesting thing is
wait
how high were you guys scaled up?
cuz his fervid bite is doing twice of what mine did vs dummy
south zealot
cuz thats my breakdown from dummy
what is this like 85k?
south zealot
how high were you guys scaled up?
scaled to 449
south zealot
yeah first boss was insanely laggy if u got in early
needed to reset the instance to remove lag
simple pier
both were for us but first boss was wild
south zealot
also the trinket caused lag according to blizzard
strong forum
pretty bad dmg
but im curious why the fuck
his fervid bite hits for 150k
sure he has liek 4k more vers, but that doesnt end up in doing 100% more dmg
rustic knot
This new 4p is a dps gain in ST over current or no?
rustic knot
Give with 1 hand take with the other
south zealot
strong forum
ye thats looks better
but your fervid also only hits for 90k average
this guys hits for 150 fucking k
south zealot
dunno
strong forum
like sure, shitloads of vers and 2x bloodborne
but like
20% more vers aint gonna make such a difference
blazing condor
do we go bolster as soon as we get 2p
strong forum
yes
strong forum
huh
blazing condor
what do we use for point in bolster
strong forum
you dont give up anything to get bolster
blazing condor
well somethings gotta go
strong forum
what tf are you running
blazing condor
idk som s1 shit
strong forum
south zealot
spellblock
strong forum
legit just run it in neltharus and uldaman if you not sure
but outside of that, dont need it for weekly keys
blazing condor
ty
strong forum
but yeh i guess reason why his fervid bite hits so hard is 2x bb + way too much vers
lusty grotto
:\
lusty tiger
but yeh i guess reason why his fervid bite hits so hard is 2x bb + way too much ...
can it not crit?
lusty grotto
doubtful
lusty tiger
wtf
lusty grotto
versa andy
strong forum
scaled up icon + scaled up ominous essence
- vers flask
dude actually ran over 7k vers
thats why his fervid looked so omega big
cuz nothing else did dmg
lusty grotto
lol
daring marlin
he have any sort of mastery either or nah
strong forum
5.2k haste and like 7.4k+ versa
lusty grotto
at this point
daring marlin
lmao
lusty grotto
or actually id say that's the opposite of testing, cause that's just not accurate gearing
strong forum
idk
ya is disingenuine
but w/e
dmg breakdown just looked whack af
and now we know why
sick sentinel
is there a revered in 1 day trick for these guys
i need revered to buy item to buy oil righ
hardy snow
is there a revered in 1 day trick for these guys
buy these on AH
in EU its ~3,5k each on ah
simple pier
I think you guys are looking too far into it lol
simple pier
I just mean like, the dude doesn't even play warrior lol
lusty grotto
ya well
simple pier
he doesn't know shit about it
simple pier
Right, I just did
lusty grotto
until now
simple pier
when I said you're looking too far into it
simple pier
ok
simple pier
lol
simple pier
yeah I mean it's ptr you just do stuff right
just like, do whatever you feel like trying lol
hardy snow
soo... player with better gear did more dmg than player with worse gear? and thats what it is about?
strong forum
no
lusty grotto
sure but the main idea of PTR is to test
fallen spindle
its good that some people do wonky shit
i do, im a vers idiot, and do run some stupid builds at time!
strong forum
his fervid bite did so much more dmg than anyone elses
cuz of 7k+ vers
and 2x bb
i wanted to figure out why
and now i did
hardy snow
2xbb its 20%, and that much of vers is also big boost, and they are multiplitive
also crit counts only to the fervid hit
but it doesnt matter for the base calculation
hardy snow
I mean, if for example rend does 5k dps on a target
but you have lots of crit and crit often
and it does 8k dps
fervid is calculated only from base dmg, without crit
strong forum
ideally you still have like 70% uptime on rend and dw
hardy snow
so if you increase base dmg with vers - fervid goes up
strong forum
yes
hardy snow
crit is better overall, but for this purpose of fervids base dmg its actually better to have vers or even mastery (for attack power)
warm plinth
oh dear
strong forum
mystery is lifted
hardy snow
btw I really hope that thanks to this tierset we will be best in ST 
hardy snow
I know, their power doesnt comes from set or any other borrowed power
strong forum
like, with this set we gain maybe like 5-7k
hardy snow
and its still not enough 🤷♂️
warm plinth
Don't let anyone tell you that. You're enough.
strong forum
like its good, no question
but not as gigantic as it looks
cuz you can remove like 20% of SS dmg from current logs
and however much 4pc dmg did
and then add like 15k dps from fervid
so yeah
from r1 log of kazzara pwar
tierset adds like 9k dps
so even with next tierset
we would do less dmg than bears brew and pally
hardy snow
jagged gust
New legendary means we arms now anyways 
fallen spindle
New legendary means we arms now anyways <:wicked:937093876857045012>
naa, im getting old so imma just tank
warm plinth
@lusty grotto new car 
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> new car <:deswind:533073964096946176>
did you like it
jagged gust
naa, im getting old so imma just tank
true, tanking is way easier than melee dps these days
warm plinth
Yes, I like it a lot
strong forum
idk dpsing is pretty braindead imo
fallen spindle
there is alot of shit you can do as melee and also alot of shit thats gonna kill you if you dont look or interrupt, if i do dps i run with shockwave and so on to help the tank not dieing to something magic hum hum
fallen spindle
true, there alot just ignorer stuff
warm plinth
💀
lusty tiger
Thx 4 invite
proper roost
<@116366605818134530> play league with me
ok but im really bad and only do arams
i think the best I ever got was like silver 2
🫡 in the exact average pile
pallid quiver
So if I'm specifically targetting like Anvil without ever having done raid or anything, I just hit the first three bosses then tell the rest of the group good luck nerds, yeah? I haven't ever optimized loot like this in vault before so I don't actually know how that works
warm plinth
If you've never done the raid, don't do any bosses past the one that drops Anvil
well, past first vault I guess
Whichever is greater
lusty grotto
if you kill echo/sark, you will get fucked
cause even if you do the first 3
you will have access to the entire loot table of the raid
on vaults
even if you do not do them at all
for the week
warm plinth
I'll do you for the week
lusty grotto
jagged gust
silk sandal
has anyone tested the 10.2 trinkets to where theres a recommendation on what to use for raid testing? or just yolo whichever to try them out?
sick sentinel
this shit was so dumb it made me immeadiately stop brain.exe and quit within like 1 minute after basically. so fucking dumb whatever it was that happened
What game is this
bf5 could have been lag hack i dunno dont care any more lol
but i mean what the fuck is that shit lmao
games not even finished
Ah yes I remember bugs like that in bf1
Damn that was a good game
Until hackers roamed free that is
sick sentinel
game develope is hard and all, but youd figure ai should be able to be given huge chunks of code and say its supposed to work like xyz and then the ai scans for code issues
modern gazelle
is lariat ever good for us btw?
warm plinth
It's fine with full sockets but others are better
sick sentinel
maybe thats a few years off possibly too, its just kinda like, well gpt is an ai, so how can it not read code like that
strong forum
Fun fact
Chatgpt since it went viral has gotten dumber
It was 98% accurate in the math it did
Now it's done to like 2% math accuracy
Cuz people keep feeding it dumb shit
warm plinth
The AI image generators seem to be dumber as well
I used to be able to type ridiculous shit into those and get at least an attempt, even if it was kinda fucked
But now it just seems like it focuses on a single word or only part of the prompt
strong forum
They do get more accurate, but 90%+ are just used for anime girls
warm plinth
and ignores the rest
strong forum
But you need to write really complex prompts
warm plinth
At least humans have the correct number of fingers now though 
sick sentinel
i was there metaphorically when they brooe microsoft bot to say i love nazis and well, mass repeating racist word, that one
had to shut her down in the end, i didnt do any of it just watched lil bit.
none of that surprises me that when left to interact with humans and evolve instead devolves
pallid quiver
Now it's done to like 2% math accuracy
So it's getting closer to showcasing the average human ability, I see
Also, thanks for the vault tips. Sounds like it's specifically forst three, since Anvil drops off 2nd boss iirc
Is it fine to hit multiple difficulties or just the highest I can get a group for?
Actually, hindsight, multiple difficulties probably fine
austere lava
@keen glade hey bruv, did you make your spell reflect notification sound yourself? I want that bad. Lol
pallid quiver
Did you teabag him?
graceful mason
Is there something special you have to do to get addons working on PTR? I put them all in addons folder and I dont see shit
pallid quiver
You generally need to grab the version for the ptr version, but it's standard install otherwise
lusty grotto
Is there something special you have to do to get addons working on PTR? I put th...
copy your interface and wtf folders over
primal crypt
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
sick sentinel
i was there metaphorically when they brooe microsoft bot to say i love nazis and...
Ah yes, Tay's Law
jagged gust
Last time I had that was an addon that wasn't updated in ages
jagged gust
i've had this on the top left of my screen, anyone know what its from possibly
Personally it was some addon about automating quests for leveling alts, but I'd start off dropping addons one by one and see if it resolves
smoky pollen
What does everyone play for alts? I usually also play other tanks for alts but I’m back to thinking I should pick up Survival Hunter for an alt.
warm plinth
Ppal, fury war, guardian, outlaw rogue, bm hunter, shadow priest, frost mage, and augvoker
pallid quiver
Currently, I'm messing with Enha Shimmy sham. Also got my usual Lock going.
while i cry about affliction in M+
But I also didn't play S2 at all until like 5 days ago or something, so make of that what you will
jagged gust
SV hunter, destro lock, boomkin
jagged gust
I'm assuming rogue is gonna be opop next season so I've been thinking of leveling one up
jagged pier
Ppal, fury war, guardian, outlaw rogue, bm hunter, shadow priest, frost mage, an...
Stop being modest we know u have a char for every spec in the game
warm plinth
Yeah but those are the ones I actively play right now
lament shell
Was necro banner peak of prot warrior?
warm plinth
Not in my opinion
A lot of people enjoyed it, of course, but I don't think it was peak by any means.
Are you referring to like, peak fun? Or peak strength?
lament shell
Both
warm plinth
Peak fun was probably the end of Legion w/ T21 (for me personally). Peak strength was BFA, especially later in the expansion.
lament shell
Like the raid healing ?
warm plinth
It was quite fun in BFA as well but late Legion was the most fun for me
Raid healing?
warm plinth
Oh
I mean...possibly, but I don't think that was peak anything lol
We had 90% IP in Legion (50% now), and we had this talent
lament shell
Wtf
warm plinth
But I don't even think we were taken for prog on many fights in Legion. There were a few fights we were really strong for (Kil'jaeden and Argus come to mind) but I think it was generally brewmasters and maybe druids? idr
jagged pier
We were consider steong in the first tier of legion after that we werent that great
But we were very dun
warm plinth
Stampeding Roar was really good on a ton of fights in Legion
jagged pier
Peak fun for me was mop tho for prot
warm plinth
I didn't play warrior until Legion so that was my earliest experience
jagged pier
Also we were only conaidered best for m+ in bfa and not in raid
warm plinth
That was glad stance era right
jagged pier
That was wod
warm plinth
ah
warm plinth
Most azerite traits were scrapped or we were given weaker versions. Corruptions went away. Essences went away.
Not to mention talents have been completely revamped since then.
jagged pier
not much different in terms of playstyle next season actually
south zealot
anger management was a lot better, u could have infinite vers so u had no weaknesses, and avatar was basically a physical immunity
u play similar, just weaker
lament shell
From what iv heard you could take all the op talents
And the nerf was swapping the talents kn the tree
south zealot
not really
warm plinth
I mean you can take all the OP talents now 🤷 I don't think there are any OP talents we can't take. The problem is that we can't take anything BUT the OP talents because we have no flexibility.
jagged pier
No the nerf was taking ls off am
south zealot
we have all the same talents and more
warm plinth
Talent balance was garbage in Legion/BFA. There were talent rows where there was only one choice because the other two options were hot garbage, and it was not uncommon.
south zealot
u had a ton of demo roar uptime because it was on am, along with last stand
also the azerite power to make demo roar last longer
warm plinth
Yeah, we had an azerite trait similar to Thunderlord, except instead of reducing the cooldown, it extended the debuff.
jagged pier
it was BoM that we cared about really
warm plinth
Yeah, BoM was giga
south zealot
yeah big mastery on avatar
warm plinth
But yeah idk. At least since I started playing prot in Legion (which was not until after Focused Rage was removed), the playstyle has been pretty much the same. A couple of buttons have come and gone but nothing super significant.
jagged gust
Talent balance was garbage in Legion/BFA. There were talent rows where there wa...
That felt very purposeful though, they really went to extraordinary lengths to simplify the game as much as possible for beginners around that time
lament shell
Thats also why the extend meta is gone
south zealot
i think legion had the least buttons
lament shell
What if ignore pain was like ursocs fury
Passive shield stacking up from dealing dmg
Or spending rage
urban portal
Fueled by violence
Already a thing
Wait no
Brutal bit
Vit
Always get those two confused
jagged gust
What if slam was like IP?
jagged pier
it would still be bad
jagged gust
Because it would be an off gcd rage spender that we could use offensively instead of just refreshing IP every .5 seconds
sweet summit
blazing condor
Jakey pfp
crimson furnace
just got mirror of fractured tomorrow, anyone using it?? (i dont hve the raid trinkets)
violet ginkgo
I am more thinking about what will happened for next expansion? max lvl go to 80 and we get to spent more point to talent?
urban portal
They rework the talent tree
But yeah
The old system was more sustainable than this one
jagged pier
sustainable != better tho
keen glade
<@232879138661335041> hey bruv, did you make your spell reflect notification sou...
https://www.wowhead.com/sound=112948/spell-wa-spellreflection-reflect here was the sound, I just right click > save audio on it then made it my notification sound. Sorry for late reply I'm an EU sleep schedule enjoyer
violet ginkgo
They rework the talent tree
oh this has happened before? I thought we got to spent more point to that talent table
warm plinth
We've had a similar, but not the same, talent tree before.
urban portal
But you don’t want people doing more of the same
jagged pier
blizz have been heard to say next exapnsions we might be able to do some wacky stuff with talents
urban portal
Getting both spear and roar don’t get people excited
jagged pier
that could mean we get more points
or
we get more rows
added on
we dont know yet
🤷
probably will be nither and they do something else we will see
warm plinth
Who knows, maybe this'll be the first expansion we don't level in 👀
pallid quiver
They'll just MIB memory flashbang everyone and just do the same thing again
warm plinth
standard issue neuralizer
blazing condor
Yall think this talent tree is bad?
warm plinth
I don't, no
pallid quiver
I enjoy it overall more than the system before, but yeah, there's the above
warm plinth
We're just speculating on what they're going to do down the road. Add points, add rows, etc.
jagged pier
i mean theres no difference for us from the system before we just have more points
we cant do anything with
pallid quiver
Not that I blame them, as it's mega hard to make something dynamic with the sheer amount of force that goes into optimizing play on the players' end
jagged pier
true
warm plinth
It's a valid want, but realistically, if you want any semblance of balance, it's dangerous to offer too much choice.
pallid quiver
It's also extremely hard to give this balance out with the gameplay style WoW has, especially in PvE. You can't do something else with what you've got, really, like you can in say a fighting game or an FPS or something. Spells ultimately are just kinda numbers you put out, so there's some things that will be better.
jagged pier
their balance was realy good in S1 better than the last preivous expansions even this season as well
so i dont think the more chance make a difference they appear to have a handle on it expect like 1 outling tank
and a comp for m+
earnest canyon
Hello everyone
Was wondering if bloodborne might see play with new tier in any content? or is too early to tell?
jagged pier
probably not its only a small increase in dps
pallid quiver
I'd recommend browsing through the 10.2 talent build pins to see current thoughts on that matter
jagged pier
and u loose a lot of defensive value u take it
pallid quiver
realistically, no, but if you want to max pad your weekly key
jagged pier
from the tests on PTR yes just my tests so its small size
going BB u get less tier set procs yes the procs do more damage but if u dont take BB u get more procs
so it kind of equals out
earnest canyon
I see, thanks ❤️
jagged pier
like it was 88k vs 88.5k (and that was before i got better with the tier set procs and stuff) so realistically it might actually slightly less now to go BB
will have to see
but sims will tell us when we get them working
mortal dagger
It's so painful to refresh tier procs on the opener
earnest canyon
And does haste actually do anything for the tier? All warrior dots are hasted are they not?
or is it doing flat remaining dam, disregarding haste
jagged pier
u just consume the bleed and the damage thats going to do
if u have more haste tho u get more rage
so u can proc it more
merry pond
Bring banner or aftershock back... Who cares about spear.
mortal dagger
so dont refresh it
U ll refresh it anyways aren't u, I mean if u don't want to overcap the rage
Or is it just my muscle memory 2 strong
jagged pier
eh iffy line, but u can mitigate the rage capping
like revenge doesnt proc the set as much as IP
and stuff
it takes getting used too
ill some times u will double proc for sure
but u can mitigate it
merry pond
I was told that 10.2 tier set outperforms current one in keys?
strong forum
Ye it does more overall dmg
merry pond
it does, or your character does
strong forum
Well okay it depends how well you press your buttons
But expected value of the tierset with current gear is up to 15k dps from 2pc dmg itself + however many extra TCs you get
merry pond
yeah sorry, didn't mean you specifically. But the way you say it seems like you are comparing the overall % dmg of both tier sets and well, that's not the full truth, is it?
strong forum
Kinda is, cuz talents hardly shift except from ITF back to HR for more block uptime, but you get to run bloodsurge perma again
merry pond
I assume this would perhaps open up the possibility of going. Immovable too, if needed for higher keys. Since it's kind of anticlimactic to have thunder clap resets on a cd that's 0,4 seconds left or so.
strong forum
TC still does 50% extra damage during avatar, yes sure you may not gain the full benefit of the CDR
But you'll also lose out on TL value that way
merry pond
Indeed. However, I would imagine prot warriors having survivability issues in these keys too? I haven't tried any keys on ptr my self, cba with the ping...
merry pond
oh okay...
strong forum
Like absolutely joke of keys
merry pond
And yeah you obviously will ahve to go Heavy reper again.
Feels like they are making prot warrior more boring than ever before.
I am expecting a remake of the talent tree, or I would feel fucked.
strong forum
All I can say is, for the first time this xpac, Thunderclap was actually my top dmg when I still playing like normal
strong forum
Well ITF also didn't compete with anything in bfa
jagged pier
^
blazing condor
can you catalyst dream gear to tier?
merry pond
I agree! But ITF definitely makes for a more fun playstyle.... even if it only is a few more gcds in general.
jagged pier
u wont tell the difference
strong forum
But I also would hope for a talent tree rework
merry pond
Hm nah, IMO the only notice is that the gameplay feels smoother.
strong forum
We went from the most fun pwar has ever been
merry pond
As I said a few minutes ago, I think banner or ancient aftershock would be a way more fun talent than spear.
strong forum
To whatever Auto pilot class it is now
merry pond
precisely...
jagged pier
most fun warrior was mop dont @ me
keen glade
I dont like the colour green so banner was awful for me
merry pond
And in comparison with guardian druids currently (which are just dumb... don't get me wrong...) It is after a rework, so it would mean that they are aiming for classes to be like this? Meaning it would be completely just to have aoe shield wall right now IMO.
strong forum
I can't honestly say
merry pond
yeah fuck ravager.
warm plinth
can you catalyst dream gear to tier?
yes
merry pond
I can't honestly say
I might be wrong obv. I would have been stronger on this belief before augments.
blazing condor
banner warrior felt really rewarding
strong forum
Most guardians in the top 5 dont play goc
And atw is a nice to have
More than a reason to be played
warm plinth
Yeah tbh ItF vs HR is a weird thing to call a gameplay change
strong forum
Like yes support will play more and more of a role
But the ultimate decider remains numbers
Look at any meta before DF
It was always just whoever can unzip the biggest number
warm plinth
The ultimate decider is the almighty @ionic fern who is incredibly cute
ionic fern
What's up?
warm plinth
idk, I mostly just wanted to call you cute
ionic fern
What can i decide?
strong forum
All im guessing is
merry pond
well my argument is not regarding the top players, I am well aware how many buttons these average players are pressing wrong and how many gcds they are probably missing out on, as well as holding cds for forever.... But that's the thing, as a guardian you can help out the healer, for whatever the amount is.... With Regrowth, if you do feel the need for it. ATW is still something, and Natures vigil working with raze is just fucking dumb.
strong forum
Ahh
Yeah they want tank to be easier
100%
No way we're ever gonna see smth like SL pwar again
merry pond
Oh that is for sure... The point guardian druid is right now tho is just dumb.
jagged pier
tank was the least played role for expansions before DF
ionic fern
No way we're ever gonna see smth like SL pwar again
Which is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE shame.
warm plinth
Why do you think that Nome?
strong forum
It is
merry pond
Well one can dream, I hope. It was something different.
jagged pier
Why do you think that Nome?
its too hard for ppl
warm plinth
Was it? It was the same as now except you had to pull like your life depended on it right?
strong forum
Not a 100%
merry pond
tank was the least played role for expansions before DF
IDD, now it's fucking packed cause you can go blindfolded and just press 6 or whatever so buttons in whatever order and who cares
strong forum
That alone will be gigantic
jagged pier
Was it? It was the same as now except you had to pull like your life depended o...
yer it was far to hard
warm plinth
Yeah forcing pace in a key is pretty brutal
jagged pier
IDD, now it's fucking packed cause you can go blindfolded and just press 6 or wh...
u say that for us sure, but for your average prot they are still playing wrong
merry pond
Well something far more difficult is far more rewarding as well.
merry pond
u say that for us sure, but for your average prot they are still playing wrong
sorry wdym? That average prots still play it wrong?
blazing condor
but also make it rewarding to be good
merry pond
but also make it rewarding to be good
Agreed, but these things usually negate eachother.
strong forum
^
blazing condor
i mean you can have high skill floor / high skill ceiling
as long as its not too op
jagged pier
sorry wdym? That average prots still play it wrong?
yep, just inspect ppl in game wrong talents and in d stance for a 10. etc etc, we see logs here where ppl cant get 90+% blocked hits or can use stuff on cd
blazing condor
we weren't exactly stupid op meta with banner in SL
warm plinth
I am curious if we will end up seeing a warrior rework on the level of those classes who have been done already. Though, I would have to say that I would be worried.
jagged pier
this teir set does add a bit of ceiling tbh to the spec
just not much
u can get 90% of it without tacking it
warm plinth
Banner was like...just what you had to do. It's not like we were OP with it
merry pond
yep, just inspect ppl in game wrong talents and in d stance for a 10. etc etc, w...
yeye for sure!
I mean when prot warr was meta in S1, you saw top 10 world warriors sitting with shield block at 70%...
merry pond
kekw
warm plinth
How many top warriors were using ItF most of the season 🙂
jagged pier
because we arent top 10 io
jagged pier
How many top warriors were using ItF most of the season 🙂
a lot
strong forum
as long as its not too op
The good people are gonna make shit look better than it is, average populous will cry about it, get it nerfed.
Or
The good players are so good at it that it actually is really good, but because it's so hard most people cry it's bad cuz they suck (aka SL pwar s3/s4)
jagged pier
until andy came in and went to the top in 1 week
warm plinth
Yep lol
jagged pier
using the talents nome told him to run
merry pond
@warm plinth I am saying with ITF
they had 10% lower block chance than what I was sitting on in same keys.
warm plinth
I mean, ItF is why their uptime wasn't 100% (though it's not why it was 70%)
merry pond
Both with ITF.
hardy snow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448722066963693569/1133563235048624188/...
that would be great af
blazing condor
too bad everyone gotta be able to do everything in this game 
no skill needed
or it gets nerf
merry pond
Don't get me wrong, not all of them there's like 2 exceptions, right...
strong forum
too bad everyone gotta be able to do everything in this game <:garms:91712019552...
And get every mythic reward without doing mythic
warm plinth
I did think it was funny that we saw firsthand that even the top warriors follow other top warriors when everyone just followed suit after Andy.
jagged pier
remebr the guy in the first few weeks that was rank 1 and said u needed 25% vers to do a 20
that was fun
merry pond
OFC, but it was majorily of hitting the key level that you can't live without shield block for x amount of time.
strong forum
Same happened with naowh and vdh in s2
warm plinth
Lul, yeah
strong forum
Naowh liked vdh
jagged pier
still hasnt sent me the logs to prove the haste legs were 100% all the time he promised
blazing condor
literally meta 
warm plinth
Yeah vdh was meta for about 5 seconds, purely because of Naowh
merry pond
^
strong forum
The trickle down fotm effect of copying whatever naowh and Andy are doing is huge
warm plinth
I wonder if Jordan can put together one of those fancy graph animations where it's just Season 1 DF and it shows just how fast VDH went up and down
strong forum
She did for s2
warm plinth
Oh?
merry pond
OFC, but also so wrong. For example, a lot of prot warriors now, would probably benefit from going heavy repercussion, cause they are simply "not good enough" for ITF.
strong forum
Hm
jagged pier
just because they benefit doesnt mean they should
warm plinth
Frankly, as long as they're pressing LS on CD, they have quite a lot of leeway with Bolster.
strong forum
I current meta I wager
strong forum
Haven't done many log reviews this season
warm plinth
I don't think I pressed LS more than a handful of times all season in S1
jagged pier
I have 
strong forum
So I can't say if there's people playing current build but still shit block uptime
jagged pier
there are
merry pond
well ofc, but if we are talking about the general 3k ish score player. Their issue is not about the damage right. Their issue is in either them or someone else dying, or simply pulling pack by pack by pack.
warm plinth
I've seen quite a few people in here who get hit in the back a lot
merry pond
@strong forum same, goes on CD KEKW
warm plinth
Like bro how am I filtering by SB and you're at 80% blocked hits
blazing condor
i definitely get hit a little in the back sometimes
merry pond
@warm plinth Simply the fact that guardian druids can get away with giving a shit about not having back towards mobs makes it something different.
blazing condor
i handicap myself by moving with mouse
warm plinth
Idk, guardian has its own funny shit
merry pond
i handicap myself by moving with mouse
I somehow thought for a second you played with click to move.
warm plinth
I love going into fort keys w/ a guardian and watching them just disintegrate instantly because they went into the pull with literally nothing up
strong forum
You mean the naowh Clip
blazing condor
I somehow thought for a second you played with click to move.
lmao imagine
warm plinth
DUDE
The Naowh thing cracked me up because it shows how ignorant those guys can be sometimes
"I had incarn up!!" Like bro it just gives you HP XD
strong forum
It do be like that sometime
earnest canyon
My fav thing to see is bears popping incarn going into the new pull (and not a single IF) and dying insta
and then molding
but I was in incarn
strong forum
The amount of vdhs that hunt into a pack
earnest canyon
how did I die
warm plinth
It's glorious
merry pond
Do we agree on the new tier set being extremely dull tho? Or have I just not tried min maxing it yet?
earnest canyon
every tank set is extremely boring
strong forum
For the limited time that I played it, I liked it
warm plinth
I haven't tried it personally but I doubt it's much more exciting than the current one.
merry pond
fair enough... I'd rather take reprisal over either of these 2 we've had now.
warm plinth
It's nice that you get more value out of deep wounds
strong forum
Like I found current tierset fun at the beginning cuz it made you greed to get more value out of 4pc buff
Banner esque
merry pond
@warm plinth Oh I like the idea behind it, I just think it needs to be a bit more.
warm plinth
I probably would've leaned into TR more with it if they were gonna do a bleed set
merry pond
ah yeah fair
strong forum
Because of the tierset im now tracking rend uptime in my weakauras
merry pond
then you would want to tab target
warm plinth
Nah because TC is random
strong forum
I made TC glow up when my current target doesn't have rend applied
warm plinth
isn't it
strong forum
TC applies/refreshes 5 rends at random
merry pond
yyy yo uwould want to tab target to consume bleeds on another target. And not waste proc into the void
strong forum
It does not prefer new targets
strong forum
yyy yo uwould want to tab target to consume bleeds on another target. And not wa...
Probably
warm plinth
Oh, yeah I would imagine so
earnest canyon
It does not prefer new targets
thats stupid
warm plinth
Shadow Crash is like that too. Annoys me in FH/BH on my priest.
strong forum
More rend on more targets
merry pond
That is just too much min maxing to actually do in higher keys tho.... Like generally you have to fight to even stand on your feet as a warr. Trying to tab targets for dmg, whilst tabbing between kicks and what the fuck to stun. Sorry I strongly dislike mouseovers for this shit.
warm plinth
Thank you for applying my dots to all those lashers that'll be dead in 4 globals. Excuse me while I hardcast vamp touch on the mobs that actually matter
merry pond
yep.
merry pond
Yeah true.
strong forum
Like it'd be dumb to consume it for 30k more dmg just cuz rend wasn't on prio target
merry pond
would probably not be worth tabbing due to punish.
warm plinth
What is the proc rate on the set?
warm plinth
That's quite a bit more than I expected tbh lol
merry pond
hm, the way you are putting it makes it sound like it actually might be slightly fun.
strong forum
The more rage you pump into IP
The more tierset procs you get
IP has like an 80% chance to proc tierset
Revenge and execute like 15%
warm plinth
So you theoretically get like...18-19 seconds off TR?
mortal dagger
Hm nah, IMO the only notice is that the gameplay feels smoother.
Way smoother to me KEKW
warm plinth
assuming no uproar
warm plinth
smh