protection

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[blazing condor]

I aint hating

We all start somewhere

When i was new my fury rotation consisted of bloodthirst and heroic strike only

[lusty grotto]

like i said i was giving min requirements for 20s

[blazing condor]

Yeye im not tryna argue against what youre saying or anythinf

Just anecdote

[lusty grotto]

right

hard to say whats the min for anything lower than that, i'd have to look at logs tbh

but its a good starting point

[sand drum]

Weird Q about next tierset, does the bleed consumtion part count as a bleed so it can "roll" on itself and consume or is that just a dot ?

[lusty grotto]

it'd be rare if it it roll on itself

[sand drum]

and does bloodborn get us rage for the "cunsumed" dot ticks ?

[lusty grotto]

theres no real indication the dmg it deals is a bleed, so id say no

[sand drum]

idk how to phrase it better

bloodsurge *

not born :<

[lusty grotto]

no

as far as i know surge needs a tick

[sand drum]

thx ❤️ 🙂

[strong forum]

bloodborne works

bloodsurge doesnt

fueled by violence doesnt

it just takes all the bleed dmg, and turns it into a single new dmg instance

[waxen frigate]

Real

[south zealot]

do u think bloodborne would be played now

[lusty grotto]

so does it count as a tick?

[south zealot]

or too expensive to take

[strong forum]

all in the pins

[south zealot]

o sorry

am noob to discord

(real)

[strong forum]

for padding in raid you can opt to give up defensive talents toget bloodborne

[lusty grotto]

technically there shouldnt be much difference since DW is applied instantly and TC resets (for rage gain)

[plush tendon]

hold up sir, what is this Thunderlords crap?

[strong forum]

sir

read the caption

[plush tendon]

I may be blind.... I just see the note about Fuel by Violence Vs. BrV and Spellblock

[plush tendon]

ah.... did not make that distinction

still, lining Demo with SC for pump yea?

[strong forum]

with TL

you just send

[south zealot]

u use on cd always with thunderlord

[strong forum]

unless you need demo specifically for a mechanic

[south zealot]

otherwise u waste value

yeah

[plush tendon]

ok, now I get it

did not differentiate between push and weekly key builds

[sand drum]

nom? do we know about embelishments yet, since crafted gear will be (6?) ilvl lower :>? do we still rock it on 2 items cus shadowflame deals dmg? or do we play some new one

[strong forum]

shadowflame ye

[south zealot]

u could technically sim that right now

[strong forum]

dunno if there will be new embellishs

[sand drum]

sorry if my questions are weird 😛 😄

[south zealot]

i think theres some new ones but nothing that looks good for tanks

theres like extra crit above 70(?)% hp

i forgot the rest lol

[plush tendon]

ngl, ima miss bolster

[lusty grotto]

there are

[strong forum]

can still play it, especially in raid

[lusty grotto]

yeah choco mentioned it

its just the one

[sand drum]

you could play unnerving focus + bolster to get more rage to dump? or am I dumdum

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[sand drum]

in X window every 2 min

or playing 2 +2 set early on

[south zealot]

u have too much rage anyway without unnerving

[lusty grotto]

^

maybe with split sets, sure

[strong forum]

with split sets yes

[sand drum]

y

[plush tendon]

no such thing as too much rage!

[strong forum]

which is what i also mentioned in pins

[sand drum]

so im not too crazy ❤️ 😛

^yes

[lusty grotto]

i barely play unnerving as it is lol

[sand drum]

well im bad :c

[lusty grotto]

press more SS

[strong forum]

i just had to setup keybinds mid pull

on amalgam normal raid

but still somehow ended on #6 parse

i guess nobody still does NM raid

[lusty grotto]

why did you have to setup keybinds

[strong forum]

cuz blizzard is fucking lovely

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

when you switch specs

it just decided to yeet half my keybinds cuz of some shared action bar idiocy

[lusty grotto]

yeah they need to make shared action bars easier to manage

i've had issues with them too

[strong forum]

cuz like i decided to clean up my presets

and then you just get fucked over

[blazing condor]

easy fix

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

only play prot

[strong forum]

well yeah

but even within

2 presets

decides to be just like nah fam

idk who this man is

[lusty grotto]

shared bars affect talent selection

or rather the other way around

talent presets affect them

[strong forum]

idk chief, its dumb

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[uneven mason]

Saving storage space 16kb at a time

I never change specs anymore

I just roll new warriors

[lusty grotto]

[steep condor]

how do i decide whether to put haste vers or haste crit on my nxt item? is it just a case of simming for damage?

[south zealot]

yes

[steep condor]

for m+ do i sim 5 patchwerk for 5 mins?

[lusty grotto]

1 min

or 1.5 mins

[steep condor]

ok thx 🙂

[lusty grotto]

no lust

[uneven mason]

If pulls last 5min in m+ .......old bolstering

[grand veldt]

This meme might be just for me but maybe you guys enjoy it https://streamable.com/rc3h7f

[strong forum]

its real sad when the most compelling argument for your class is just "yeah reflect"

but such is life

[lusty grotto]

well

if only streamers were like

[uneven mason]

Half dozen situations to abuse it, obviously defining trait

[lusty grotto]

"yeah we use x class, but everyone is viable"

or something like that

but it is what it is

its kinda weird how people like Quazii ranked tier so low

but anyway thats beside the point

its beneficial for key pushers to have few options instead of all options so they their perspective is in either one or two

less alts to gear

less things to optimize

to their defense

so everything is looked at through that lens

btw, even if we are THE meta tank for NL, people still go for bears in it

[strong forum]

they sometimes do

but like

most people only listen to what comes before the caveat

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats true

[south zealot]

yeah i love spell reflect but wish it wasn’t so defining for most ppl

we are more than just reflect

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree as well

i fear the easy solution would be to nerf it, but i dont think anyone here wants that

even if we feel that way

idk

[daring marlin]

[lusty grotto]

[keen glade]

I have the spell reflect sound as my notification sound on my phone... dont take it away from me

[chilly brook]

I like how that meme basically calls bear tanks mindless

And essentially acknowledges that you have to not be bad to play warrior

[open gull]

where would I find the best builds for m+ ? around 5-15

[chilly brook]

Nothing changes

Use the pinned build

The only thing that would change would be whether or not you would want spell block depending on the dungeon

[strong forum]

not the first pin builds

use the one down lower

[austere lava]

Share that ish

[chilly brook]

Here #protection message

[south girder]

Noob question, but how do you measure how good you are doing tanking? Should I be looking at dps or uptime on certain moves?

[jagged pier]

everything

damage taken, blocked hits, resources wasted, casts done, damage done, inturpts done, stops used, etc etc

[lusty tiger]

Dps flamed at the end of a key too

[south girder]

Thank you!!!

[lusty tiger]

I have the high score on that metric

[elfin delta]

Thanks

Helpful!

How do I determine resources wasted? That’d be like not using ignore pain at max rage right?

[lusty tiger]

Resources -> select “rage” instead of health on the drop down

Then look at the table

[elfin delta]

In details?

[pallid quiver]

The best ways to check all of those statistics is via logs in general, so you should start logging

[elfin delta]

Ok I’ll have to learn how to do that

Ty

[lusty tiger]

Can’t see anything important without logs

[pallid quiver]

Details can help with some, but logs will tell you absolutely everything you and others did over a key. It'll let you see resource waste, what you're sending Outbursts on, how many casts of CDs, etc

It'll track every last bit of ability use, so you can also figure out if you're prioritizing the wrong abilities, as well

[elfin delta]

I know in theory I need to use my viscious on ss but still not great at noticing when it’s ready

[lusty grotto]

get a WA

[elfin delta]

Cool and what’s the measuring stick for what numbers to win for?

[pallid quiver]

There's Outburst specific WAs that are one of the most recommended for playing prot war

[elfin delta]

Ooo ok cool

[jagged pier]

well okay

first step

install warcraftlogs

then do all above

[pallid quiver]

depends

Literally depends per dungeon, encounter, etc. But usually you're looking for trends like SS casts being the highest, etc. I'd recommend just getting logging started first off, though

[elfin delta]

Yeah my friend just told me that he’s probably chuckling reading this

People post the logs here and ask for help?

[chilly brook]

Ye

[elfin delta]

That’s nice

I cleared my first 16 yesterday so I’m well on my way to stardom

[blazing condor]

does WCL not automatically update now

or did they change smth cus i cant use it because its out of date - but usually it would update in its own launcher and i cant do that

[strong forum]

well they got a new launcher

[blazing condor]

o

that explains it

[lament shell]

guys night elf or blood elf on horde server

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter faction doesnt mean anything anymore

can just make a horde toon to find ppl to craft

[lament shell]

i could also whisper people for the first time in horde

kekw:

[blazing condor]

is language still a thing with cross faction

wouldnt make sense

[lament shell]

nah you just cant whisper horde group leaders

[jagged pier]

u can from the group finder

[jagged gust]

nelf has 2% avoidance which is pretty cool, but belf has nicer eyebrows

[lament shell]

i have that cool weapon on horde

big factor

ok ty anyway i just flip a coin

[dusky canopy]

Literally zero interest in anyone with a small weapon
Am I right??

https://tenor.com/view/wink-wink-agnes-agatha-harkness-kathryn-hahn-wandavision-gif-22927975

@daring marlin

[lusty grotto]

this shit has been happening with my old buddy character ever since i swapped back to alliance

characters*

[dusky canopy]

Nim what’s up!

[lusty grotto]

yo

[lament shell]

waht shit ?

[lusty grotto]

what i replied to

[lament shell]

to the pic

ah

ye this is so bad you can t whisper anyone

when i play keys with my friend and we sign up as 4 we let our horde friend write to group leaders

cuz he is the only one able to

[lusty grotto]

i never invite anyone that whispers me

fuck that

instant decline

[lament shell]

unfortunetly we are off meta need to try anythign to get it

:kekw:

[lusty grotto]

i certainly dont

im not the only one, people just dont like whispers

[lament shell]

cant relate as alliance

[lusty grotto]

99% of the times, what comes out with a whisper is bullshit

[lament shell]

true

[lusty grotto]

raider io is the only thing you need to look at

[daring marlin]

lmao

[jagged gust]

guil is only interested in those 24 inch pythons, brother

[daring marlin]

correct

[waxen frigate]

Yo did you guys see the news about that actress getting stabbed

[ruby musk]

No love for people with girthy, rockhard shields. Makes me miss the days of gladiator stance.

[jagged gust]

Screw that noise, more importantly mexico just released new ufo autopsy pics

Apparently dna testing has shown them to be 1/3 lima beans

[waxen frigate]

No it’s like a big deal it was uhh

Reese something I don’t remember

[opaque quest]

Americans killing each other isnt news

Not using a gun to do it might be tho

[strong forum]

Nobody taking the bait it seems

[waxen frigate]

I-it was Reese with a knife

;-;

[jagged gust]

[strong forum]

[daring marlin]

shit meme nish

[opaque quest]

kekw

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/animated-text-text-group-ohivy-i-hate-it-there-gif-17005438

[jagged pier]

good

[waxen frigate]

Fuck it I’m gonna go steal something from the break room kitchen

[lusty grotto]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16hsjls/the_et_corpses_were_debunked_way_back_in_2021/?share_id=RLZTsft_g59o8tmJRUa-J

the corpses are dumb reconstructions

cant believe people believe this shit

[waxen frigate]

Nvm I couldn’t do it

Wasn’t willing to take the whisk

[pallid quiver]

hey i worked really hard on those, you can't just blow me out like that

[jagged pier]

No name on it, its free for all

[waxen frigate]

Idk I just don’t think I’m much of a whisk taker

[jagged gust]

oh yeah everything about it is sus

[jagged pier]

U see im just going to ignore the pun

[jagged gust]

the guy repping the case is literally a conman lmao

Using our collective powers of apathy to ruin nish's jokes kek

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wednesday-blessings-gif-17957174399804646477

@jagged pier @jagged gust @pallid quiver

[opaque quest]

Wish me luck again bois. 3rd 30 man HC raid with me the only person rolling on echo trink

[modern brook]

Kitchen theif let's go

I've been eating Brian's lunch for 2 weeks

[modern brook]

Oh . Nvm I also haven't been eating Brian's lunch for 2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[low timber]

how will we stack up against druids next patch? if anyone had to guess based on what we got so far at least

[warm plinth]

Warrior hasn't gotten anything, except our tier, which doesn't really have an impact on our place in the meta.

[real fossil]

getting nothing sure beats getting gutted

[low timber]

who got gutted?

[warm plinth]

I don't think anyone really got gutted

They did the rogue rework and there's supposed to be a DH rework

And then mistweaver got a fair few changes

[low timber]

Fair enough. I like arms but tank for my homies in m+ and dont feel like maintaining multiple characters. so its been between war dk and druid for me. downside of druid is I dont like being an animal I wanna look cool. but they do be slappin.

[real fossil]

who knows where things shake out, but bears seem to have lost power

[warm plinth]

They got some really cool new forms too

owlbear, stone harambear

[low timber]

Was fuckin with prot war but doing an uldaman and getting turned to fucking paste by bleeds kinda made me feel like a bitch.

[opaque quest]

Harambear is good but the technical term is steroid furbolg

[modern brook]

🔮

[low timber]

I like having my ass out tho

[mighty valley]

was there an update to druid tier? it kinda sounded like their new one was vapor

[grand veldt]

WAIT

I just checked my parse

you can block bursting with spell block?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but it's not really needed as a tank since it's not health based damage

[grand veldt]

oh

[mighty valley]

yeah, if spellblock just saved you from bursting, the rest of the group is 6x dead

[modern brook]

They shoulda splocked

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

i hope this doesnt change anything for us

[mighty valley]

it's in the arms column

[opaque quest]

That changes a fuckton for us

wtf

Ah

lmao

Fuck arms

[mighty valley]

we all went through that exact emotional journey together yesterday

[warm plinth]

lmao, if it was us then it would break the spec, like come on. There's no shot that ever happens XD

[daring marlin]

Holy fuck that's hilarious

[sick sentinel]

i guess i better learn how to play 2h class

if there is legendary 2h weapon

[pallid quiver]

unless

[opaque quest]

Not sure yet ill resub for 10.2 Depends if we get bis trinkets locked behind very rare again

Half my chars are 445+ with LFR or shitty dungeon trinkets getting fucked by 430s with echo trinkets kek

[pallid quiver]

Just resub after all the catchup mechanics are in place

[hardy snow]

if you're losing to 430 while being 445 I'm afraid its not just trinket diff, especially that the one from echo isnt that much op

[dusky canopy]

Could you actually imagine

The malding if they did that to Prot

[opaque quest]

If youre not realizing im strawmanning here im afraid you got problems too

Also Echo trinket from LFR sims 3k higher than my 447 harlans

So yeah. The Sham one is insane

[hardy snow]

there are other good trinkets, Nelth's lair, Hourglasss, Beacon, Anvil, the one from VP

[opaque quest]

And all of them even at 447 sim at a downgrade but what does papa robot know

[pallid quiver]

Honestly

I think the malding would be a drop in the bucket

Even if the anger would be 100% deserved

I don't think most people would understand

[jagged gust]

It'd probably make Barbaric Training pretty good

[warm plinth]

how dare you

[sick sentinel]

i made a shitty edit, but, maybe try a new spec now that that thing is comin out

[waxen frigate]

what can i reflect in NL do i just spam it

[sick sentinel]

my video skills are pretty poor when it comes to making edits like that

they come out janky

[warm plinth]

Stone bolts, toxic retch, and molten crash

Otherwise just use for DR for hulk dot

[sick sentinel]

can u reflect the boss 2 thing

[warm plinth]

oh, yeah, sunder

forgot about that

good call yogi

[sick sentinel]

sunder i think it is, i only know it as "defensive" that i have to hit SR before it says "de-"

[warm plinth]

Yeah, giga fast cast and the timer isn't very reliable

[sick sentinel]

defensive bieng the AI voice call out 100 times that boss

i'm joking about that's what its called and dunno name does'n seem to do much of anything

probably gotta be a 24 before it kills ya

[jagged gust]

What kind of dps should I be expecting from a bdk offtank?

I'm having trouble not ripping aggro off them

[waxen frigate]

check if theyre running the bottom right talent

or the one to the left of it

in their spec tree

[warm plinth]

Not low enough to be ripping threat off them unless they're shit

[jagged gust]

in blood they're running everything on the bottom of blood except for bonestorm

[sick sentinel]

if u have logs, thats the best

and then we (not nessecarily me) can see exactly why they lost aggro

cuz we see exactly what buttons they hit

[jagged gust]

Well I can see what went wrong, they did 42k dps when I did 71k and averaged 20k less than me through the night

[waxen frigate]

nishangy ascending

[pallid quiver]

Tell them to press more buttons

[waxen frigate]

er i mean just did a casual 20 (not much for me since im 3800 io as pwarr)

[pallid quiver]

Can't believe Nish would photoshop one of his keys so we wouldn't all feel left out from how behind we all are

[waxen frigate]

^

im humble what can i say

[pallid quiver]

His magnamity is unmatched

[jagged gust]

Are you using your fury war to tank? The sacrilege...

[waxen frigate]

ya i was bored last night helping a friend gear a mirror alt

and didnt want to wait for a tank

but wanted crests on my warrior

turns out prot kinda fun

who knew

[jagged gust]

to me prot is for parsing

[waxen frigate]

i mean

[jagged gust]

If I want a purple parse I go prot, otherwise I farm those greys all day as dps

[waxen frigate]

thats brew for me

lmao

[jagged gust]

[warm plinth]

24%, huge

[jagged gust]

Yeah last week was not a good one for me lmao

[pallid quiver]

I don't even have parses this season, so better than me

[opaque quest]

Havent played my DK in weeks so im good with this

My warr parses look like shit. Lets not talk about them

[lusty grotto]

ahahaha

i love sarkareth's name

in german

amalg's also

[jagged gust]

SUPER COMMANDER

[lusty grotto]

that reminds me that i should def keep up with my german, i took 2 college courses of it and cant remember shit

[jagged gust]

Magmorax must feel pretty left out

[lusty grotto]

best i can do is prost

or computerspiel spielen

[cinder storm]

Just get a German gf, ez

[jagged gust]

I can count to 5 thanks to german techno clubs

[lusty grotto]

and i def remember u unlaut

or i dont know if im saying that correctly lol

[jagged gust]

I always thought prost was russian

[lusty grotto]

well i didnt take russian, but its possible our professor could have been trolling us

[jagged gust]

I mean I'm taking a shot either way so cheers lol

[sick sentinel]

this dude multboxes pokemon

[lusty tiger]

How many syllables are some of those?

[errant surge]

hi how use the Ominous Chromatic Essence

what "dragon" is better ?

[ebon viper]

hey guys is there a point where we get have too much haste and it would be better to craft crit/verse gear vs haste/crit or haste/verse?

[jagged gust]

sim it, and nope

Actors

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Obsidian/All) - Trinket Slot #1"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Ruby/Versatility) - Trinket Slot #1"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Bronze/Haste) - Trinket Slot #1"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Azure/Mastery) - Trinket Slot #1"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Emerald/Critical Strike) - Trinket Slot #1"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

well I dont know how to get rid of the bold format but that actors line needs a hashtag before it, just change your trinket slot and ilvl to what you have and slap that at the end of your sim

[mighty valley]

7100 haste rating

might be more relevant more next patch

[warm plinth]

Is there something like this but for weapon runes?

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

Honestly the only way I know how is to build in a line that changes the stats of an equipped slot that would have the stats from the rune built in to it

I feel like there should be a far easier way but I'm not too experienced

[warm plinth]

Why would you give me bad news

I thought we were cool

[lavish sphinx]

Does anyone use little wigs or mostly DBM? I've found the timer for Sunder in NL is off on little wigs

[warm plinth]

The timer for Sunder isn't off

it's just not the highest spell in his spellqueue

So just because it's off CD doesn't mean he'll cast it right away

[lavish sphinx]

Oh right so I'm using the timer wrong then

That's annoying, seems like predicting it will be inconsistent

[warm plinth]

Kind of. Generally you can expect boss abilities to go off when the timer expires, but in some cases, they have a spell queue that interferes with them being cast immediately on CD

[jagged gust]

The good news is I can share the code with you to make it easier

[warm plinth]

Some bosses are worse than others

[jagged gust]

the bad news is i wont

[warm plinth]

You had me in the first half

[sullen gust]

This might be a stupid dumb question, but if half way through a key I have to run out to repair, then complete the key, will it not count towards io?

[warm plinth]

It will

[mighty valley]

if the timer's still running, and you make the timer, it counts

[warm plinth]

You can't really do anything to make a key not count for io unless it just doesn't get finished.

Even if the key gets finished without you there

[sullen gust]

Huh okay sweet

Cheers!

[mighty valley]

had so many keys where a friend says "whoops!! still in raid talents be right back!!" after a pull or two

[willow moss]

New to warrior discord just have a baby warrior I’m leveling. What does the community think of the tier set for prot and arms ?

[cerulean tusk]

Looks alright

[mighty valley]

I don't know arms, prot warrior looks powerful but only single target

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Prot's in theory looks solid, last I heard proc rate is good, so if things stay as they are, we'll be fine tier set wise

Notably, can get you a decent amount of DR against a prio target

[jagged gust]

# Actors
copy="hissing"
tabard=Guild Tabard,stats=310mastery

copy="buzzing"
tabard=Guild Tabard,stats=310crit

copy="howling"
tabard=Guild Tabard,stats=310haste

I think raidbots advanced auto sets your runes, so the values will be slightly off, not sure how to change that but this should work?

[violet ginkgo]

is skipping some campaign at alt will grants reward too or just skip?

[ionic fern]

I think it's just the skip..

[pallid quiver]

iirc it should be just the skip, yeah

[sweet summit]

if you do that you'll have double stats (both default enchant + tabard enchant) unless you specify disabling default consumables

#Weapon Stone/Rune
profileset."Buzzing_Rune"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Howling_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3"
profileset."Whetstone"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3"

Using this still shows default (idk what that is for prot probably haste or something) which will fall under the profileset with your character name

[jagged gust]

Yeah that was the problem I didn't know how to workaround thanks

[warm plinth]

Where would I put this information in?

[jagged gust]

What does the x2 mod?

[sweet summit]

under your /simc stuff in advanced

[warm plinth]

ok

ty

[jagged gust]

end of the text create a new line for it

[sweet summit]

me forgetting to remove it (i had copy pasta for fury that i used as template)

[jagged gust]

lmao okay I thought as much

[warm plinth]

How would I do it for a dual wield spec (sorry to be a bother)

[sweet summit]

#Weapon Stone/Rune
profileset."Buzzing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Howling_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing_Rune_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3"
profileset."Howling+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing+Buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3"
profileset."Hissing+Howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3"
profileset."Hissing+Whetstone"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3"
profileset."Whetstone_x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3"
profileset."Whetstone+howling"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:howling_whetstone_3"
profileset."Whetstone+buzzing"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:buzzing_whetstone_3"

[warm plinth]

ty cutie pie

#ErgaForStormforged

[jagged gust]

so it's the phrase "profileset" that overrides raidbots default correct? @sweet summit

[cursive prawn]

He used to be in a previous life

[sweet summit]

profileset copies current profile (your /simc thing) what comes after tells it to replace what you told it to replace (in this case weppy stone) (iirc)

it's been a while so memory's not 100

[jagged gust]

okay makes sense to me, thanks a ton!

[sweet summit]

"profileset" is just an easier way to do "copy" basically

[jagged gust]

I love how due to the margin of error using howling rune is up to a 42 dps increase over itself

[opaque quest]

@sweet summit lets forget this is the prot discord for 1 second. If "someone" in here wants to sim runes for unholy could he/she/they use the sim string too?

[sweet summit]

yeah, just don't use the one with two weapons/stones (idk how/if that works)

[opaque quest]

Sweet. Thank you

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[sweet summit]

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hi ily.

Hope you have a great evening.

[warm plinth]

you as well friend

[opaque quest]

Wrong char but nelth trinket is nelth trinket lol

[silk pine]

Hey does anyoneone know a site wwhere u can see all duongen trinkets for s3? Or does anyone know which trinkets are probably good

[strong forum]

Brother s3 is still like 2 months away

Nobody knows how well they're gonna re-tune trinkets from old dungeons

Nobody knows how the loot in everbloom or throne of the tides will look like

The only trinkets we can gauge are the mega dungeon ones, and the atal and Wcm trinkets

[silk pine]

Thought that probably some trinkets have been good in the old days and the loot pool would be same.

[strong forum]

And those you can just look up in game

Usually dungeon trinkets that are older than bfa

Are absolutely dogshit

Cuz pre-legion only raids existed as relevant content

And legion dungeon trinkets were really fucking bad

[silk pine]

I see thank you

[strong forum]

So it's just a wait and see angle

But chances are 95 to 5

That raid trinkets will be vastly superior

[silk pine]

unlucky for me want to stop raiding 😄

[strong forum]

Breh

Heroic raid is easy enough to pug

Takes almost 0 effort to get raid trinkets if you're not entirely fallen on your head

[silk pine]

yeah maybe after 1 month when u are not raiding in a guild

[strong forum]

Literally week1

People pug heroic raid

I've done it all xpac

[silk pine]

y but I meant also last 3 bosses 😄

[strong forum]

Yeah?

Like rasza had shit loot so didn't matter

[silk pine]

ok thats true

[strong forum]

Like

You only kill the hc bosses with trinkets you need

Who cares about completion

I had most raid trinkets in voti by week 2

Hc all-totem week1

[silk pine]

yeah most peopel wont roll on tank trinkets

[strong forum]

Boon week2

Ruby also week1 but that didn't matter as much

[blazing condor]

nom carry me thru raid

thx

[strong forum]

he thinks I'm playing tank trinkets

As if tank trinkets existed this xpac

Besides all-totem but that one was just fucking sick in m+

[silk pine]

all-totem is a tank trinket 😄

[strong forum]

Yes, like I just said

But it was also your highest dps trinket as tank

In m+

[silk pine]

I think this season they add 1 raid trinket which is good where u back slash someone when they hits you

[strong forum]

All the trinkets I tested on ptr currently are fucking ass

Especially the fyrakk tank trinket

[blazing condor]

good then we dont gotta farm end bosses

[strong forum]

Needs a 150% buff

Before it does anything

The only good trinket is pips

But that one is massively overtuned

And will be gutted

[silk pine]

every tier they make 1 trinket with these kind of effects s1 the council trinket 2s Chromatic and now pips

[strong forum]

Well pips doesn't function like the other 2

[ionic fern]

Wanna know a funny? I had to play double absorbs yesterday on Zskarn.

[strong forum]

Pips is 100% uptime on 2k stats on average

[ionic fern]

Together with the absorb ring from VotI.

[silk pine]

oh shit this sounds broken

[strong forum]

Rotating from crit to mastery to vers back to crit

You get 12sec of each buff

Decaying down from 3k to 200 stats

It's way overtuned

The raid trinkets so far need heavy buffs

Pips needs a nerf

Otherwise literally every single character will just play pip

[strong forum]

Are your healers OK?

[ionic fern]

[silk pine]

I thought Gift of Urctos might be good sadly not :/

[ionic fern]

Probably not.

[hardy snow]

[lavish sphinx]

Anyone see this post on Reddit. Lol at Prot Warr

[strong forum]

You can't choose which gift you get from pip

It rotates

From crit -> mastery -> vers -> crit

Repeating

[silk pine]

Gift from Uctos is a trinket not a buff 😄

[strong forum]

Heh

It's also the buff you get from pip

[silk pine]

lul

Gift from Urctos*

[strong forum]

That's not testable yet

But doesn't sound all that amazing

It's basically just a worse stat stick that does like 300k dmg (best case scenario) every 1.5min

And heals (best case scenario) 160k hp

[hardy snow]

no haste?

[strong forum]

Nop

So by the tooltip and it proccing every 3 seconds

It does like ~4k dps

And 1.5k hps

And has an average of 340 Str + 3.5% vers

[hardy snow]

this one sounds interesting

[strong forum]

It's dogshit

[hardy snow]

but as with all trinkets - its just the matter of tuning

[strong forum]

The numbers on this trinket

Are 150% too low

A 320k absorb when you'll have like 1.5mil hp

Is a joke

[hardy snow]

I wouldnt care about specific numbers at this moment of PTR. Blizzard recently likes to tune trinkets alot, so I guess there will be lots of changes in numbers for most trinkets.

[strong forum]

Yes

[silk pine]

I was asking thats why 🙂

[hardy snow]

just from mechanic point of view it sounds fine, so if they tune it properly it may be cool to use

[strong forum]

It has alot of self dmg

Which is very cringe

[hardy snow]

the only question I have is - how long does on use dmg persist, as tooltip doesnt say that

[strong forum]

Like as of current ptr tuning, only pip is better than current trinkets

[hardy snow]

is it X seconds, is it until absorb fall off or what

[strong forum]

Uuuh forgor

But it's like 8sec iirc

[mortal dagger]

Why it s so painful to look at this screen

[blazing condor]

man nothing worse than when prev raid trinkets persist through the xpac

bad design

idc about the power creep

you shouldnt have to go back to farm trinkets from the previous raid

[violet ginkgo]

can give us the full link? I want to see the full picture

[rustic knot]

You got the uncropped one? 👀

[violet ginkgo]

wait hold on lul the feral druid, yesterday when I doing the LFR weekly we did kick a feral druid, he is trolling though so there is reason

Btw this is from the Jocat's FF14 crap guide to tank, do we use the same rule here?

[remote venture]

No, wow tanks can stop lot of damage

[blazing condor]

only a bad player blames others

only think you can control is yourself

so you make sure you log your shit and then come here to get told how shit you are

then you improve

somtimes you lose because the healer is dog or the dps is dog but you still couldve played better

[ionic fern]

That's why i used triple absorb thingies.

I did die a bit inside tho.

[blazing condor]

ur sacrifice shall be remembered

[sick sentinel]

who is mr fault

from that graph

[waxen frigate]

Idk I blame the other people for dying when I overpull and don’t die because it causes arguments between the entire group in chat while I’m still alive having a good time

[strong forum]

andy actually such a chad

plays NL32 without defenders aegis or bsv

[waxen frigate]

Kinda based

I’ve done a NL 37 with bleed support though

[strong forum]

more like depleted in 37seconds

[daring marlin]

bruh first two weeks of S3 M+ are gonna be so fucking funny

[waxen frigate]

The boosted andies gonna flop so hard

[daring marlin]

Surely Throne gets a total revamp

I'm gonna live in BRH cuz that place owns

I look forward to people asking how to deal with hulk bleeds in AD too

be a dwarf foo

[strong forum]

hulk bleeds?

you mean the poison?

[daring marlin]

nah honor guards do a stacking bleed

[strong forum]

uuuh

ah ye now i member

it was never a large issue tho

unless you stacked it up real high

and well, just parry

[daring marlin]

[steep pivot]

hey, how is protection warrior on m+ ^^

[waxen frigate]

Fun

What level keys are you wanting to do

[strong forum]

ye as predicted

[daring marlin]

He wants to own 25+ keys

[strong forum]

gift of ursoc does 3.6k dps and ~1k hps

the str stacking effect of it currently doesnt work at all

[steep pivot]

im main arms, but some friends asked me to play prot so we all play toguetter... but tbh i never speced prot, once back in bfa, but i dont know how to play...
i do 25 26 as arms... but as prot i feel i may reachh 20s if i play right

[waxen frigate]

If you do 25s and are good in them 20s as any tank shouldn’t be a problem

As long as you understand the basics

[steep pivot]

i understand the basics of dungeon... m+... but not the prot basics xD

wow head sugested build is good? let me read prot faq

[waxen frigate]

Block things

Slam shield

Clap thunder

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[waxen frigate]

I main other tanks but decided to fuck around on my primarily fury alt as prot the past few days

20s have been easy

[steep pivot]

hew, how about the prot next tier? is it good?

[strong forum]

🔮

tierset is gonna be veery powerful in raid

[waxen frigate]

^ prot gonna crank single targe

[steep pivot]

damn i like the morning star mog! hehe now i can wear it... ^^

thats what i like to read!

nice you guys hyped me to play prot!!

[strong forum]

execute rotation is gonna be a pain to figure out

[steep pivot]

i shall share some dungeons results later on

[sick sentinel]

bring back condemn

[strong forum]

cuz currently tierset procrate is 4x as high when you press ignore pain, opposed to when you press a dmg button, so during execute its real hard to figure out when its the proper time to execute vs ignore pain to fish for tierset proc

[steep pivot]

fk its tyrn week... damn

[strong forum]

tyr week is good for tanks

[sick sentinel]

or at least give fury and arms condemn

minimum arms

arms is the execute spec

[steep pivot]

we dont want condemn... we just need rage spender since our ip got fucked

[sick sentinel]

you dont

[steep pivot]

look at arms channel... say that there xD

[sick sentinel]

i do

[daring marlin]

Imagine if it looked good

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

thats what tmog is for

[daring marlin]

still man the fuck is THAT

[sick sentinel]

they tried to make it look like the doom slayer yet again and failed miserably

[daring marlin]

Paying for the sins of looking gr8 this season!

[steep pivot]

the lighter version is nice i think... pvp i guess

[waxen frigate]

Look on the bright side

[sick sentinel]

PARENTS WILL NEVER GET IT, also you will never get that reference i am 99% positive

[daring marlin]

Pally tier looks like some MH set

[waxen frigate]

At least randos on Twitter aren’t throwing a fit over your tier set because of a tangentially related irl thing

[daring marlin]

specifically teostra set

amirite @modern brook

[sick sentinel]

i would straight up be happy af with a straight OG doom guy rip of a transmog for warrior

[daring marlin]

Don't remind me of what terminally online weirdos are saying

gotta block 'em all

[modern brook]

my guys never been wrong

[sick sentinel]

just this, green armor and a full helmet

[daring marlin]

You gotta level and gear a pally

name it teostra and get the new tier bro

[steep pivot]

hey, do we need shockwave, uproar is good.. we press demo shoult on cd? or on big omega packs?
when i got nothing i press shield wall or last stand? i need to maintain ip and shield block all times right? spell block is good?

sorry tons of questions

[strong forum]

demo on CD
LS on CD
Avatar on CD
all offensive CDs on CD
SW as you need it
maintain SB at all times
Press IP to prevent overcapping of rage instead of trying to spend it slowly with revenge
SS > TC > Revenge is your prio
Spend outburst 80% of the time on SS

[modern brook]

my mage is teostra

my pally is doodoodogshit peepeepooperson

[steep pivot]

wow god! what is SS?

[strong forum]

shield slam

[steep pivot]

ok! nice got you

[waxen frigate]

My favorite part of this discourse was someone saying they were black and not offended by this and none of their POC friends were and this other person goes “well actually I’m Korean so”

[strong forum]

spell block depends on which dungeon you play

[steep pivot]

i read in faq.. only nelt and uldaman ok

[strong forum]

ye for weekly keys thats more than enough

[steep pivot]

and i dont feel im gonna push as prot.. only fun keys so this guide is more than enoughht

ty nomeratur

and other prot brothers ❤️

[lusty tiger]

💩

[daring marlin]

Send me to mars pls

Suplift had the correct take

[lusty tiger]

This is mars

And we are all martians

👽

[blazing condor]

Cant relate

Im from jupiter

There getting more stupider

[rustic knot]

I think

Block things
slam shield
clap thunder

Should have just been the only pin in this channel after reading it 🤣

[waxen frigate]

[sick sentinel]

block the healer after they cant heal u and the key breaks

[daring marlin]

Yogi blocks the world

[waxen frigate]

Minecraft

[sick sentinel]

im not a voxels fan particularly

they are off putting coming from that i used "computers" that ran in CGA and EGA at points

that, and mc is extreme end polar opposite of my interests due to how much open world it is

theres not a game that i am not interested in ever trying ever for any reason,

[viral moth]

Wait what is going on lmao

[waxen frigate]

I’ll dm lmao

[opaque quest]

I wanna see it too

Wtf is going on

[sick sentinel]

Just post it here

We all want to see it

[strong forum]

breh its just some dumbass "this white hat looks racist"

twitter being twitter

[sour vigil]

I'm not seeing a definitive answer on any of the guides I'm checking out. Does anyone know for sure if versatility phial or eye of the storm phial is better in M+? Will the eye of the storm phial match the DR from versatility phial?

[strong forum]

either or is fine

vers phial is better on single target

eye is slightly better on aoe

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z7LX7pQslxw

this why i not stream HC

[plush tendon]

I will say, whoever is in charge of the WoW social media account has been killing it with the memes

[sick sentinel]

some of them yes, https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v-6GhpUET7U

maybe im too stupid to get the meme, probably some boomer reference i dont know about

[plush tendon]

beggining is bad

end is good

you know the young intern made the end and the start was forced by corporate

[sick sentinel]

alls im sayin is just gotta have 1 other guy look at the short before yeeting it onto YT

[gilded pewter]

Is anyone here who has tested the new tier set @ 10.2 ? because i ve read the set bonus and its totally crap for mythic+

and i think we will hardly take any inv for 20+ dungeons..like this season

[strong forum]

Maybe the pins have something to say

[blazing condor]

stormforged are the pins

[opaque quest]

Youre hardly invited for 20s? As a tank? Maybe dont try with 1.2k IO lol

[gilded pewter]

im new here on this disc so i think that you mean the guys on the right side who are "stormforged"

[sick sentinel]

bright orange name + yellow + blue

[opaque quest]

Here you go Nikos

[sick sentinel]

brown or red = bronze players like me

[blazing condor]

be nice

[gilded pewter]

im talking about early june untill august

[blazing condor]

but yes pins are top right

[opaque quest]

Wdym be nice. I am the picasso of snip tools

[gilded pewter]

oh..now i got it..thanks

[sick sentinel]

i don't know if it is possible to BIU that text

[opaque quest]

Whats BIU

[sick sentinel]

or if it should be done

[plush tendon]

we should pin how to access pin instructions

[sick sentinel]

Bold / Italics / Underline

[plush tendon]

[opaque quest]

Imagine if we had instructions for pins at the top of this discord channel. That would be crazy

[strong forum]

Aight no need to get pissy

[sick sentinel]

if we protection warriors just hit our buttons correctly

90% of the problems we have would go away tbh

[opaque quest]

Thank god we dont need to read to operate

[plush tendon]

reading doesnt generate or spend rage

not worth the GCD

[opaque quest]

True and real

[sick sentinel]

reading /viewing =/= understanding

[opaque quest]

Let me turn into a boomer for 10 seconds

Idk where common sense went this generation

[sick sentinel]

depends how long it takes for it to be heiroglyphics to speaking a message you understand and can use

takes me 20 seconds reading a debuff, it aint worth it, 2 seconds maybe.

[opaque quest]

Thank god debuffs have icons

I would be lost

[sick sentinel]

like, i play yugioh on side as well,

and like, thats a bit hand picked, but holy shit, look at all that text

and then you got, what is it, 40-60 cards main deck and then 15 in the extra deck, and lots of them have similiar wording problems.

like, the only way you know what that card does, what deck it goes in, how to use it etc, is if you are actively playing the game

[opaque quest]

A friend of me is super into yugioh aswell and he tried to tell me about all the new cards from the last 15 years. He lost me after like 5 lmao

To much text

[sick sentinel]

its more of a, reaction, memorization, try to pick holes in enemy strategy while keeping your deck solid

change out a couple of traps or monsters depending what you think you might face

[opaque quest]

Ill just play hearthstone with my monkey brain thank you

Last time i played Yugi was with the elemental heroes

[sick sentinel]

its sort of the same way HS is, alot of similiarities

[opaque quest]

nonono

HS is turbo ez

Every bc/dr w/e is like 2 lines

[dry tide]

On mythic sark in phase 3 if I’m the tank that stays up will spell block negate a lot of that damage until the group comes back up ?

[sick sentinel]

YGO is ez too, they have 8000 LP you have 8000, u do whatever the hell u can to reduce them to 0 before they can the sme

[opaque quest]

Mate i played yugioh. I know the basics. I just havent in 15 years

I have my Dueldisk somewhere in the basement too

[sick sentinel]

its all the same crap, just more special summons

they summon some dude with 4000 attack, or they blow up your entire field, or both

[opaque quest]

Power creep is a hell of a bitch

[sick sentinel]

Or make a board with 3+ Omni-Negates

And then blow you open T2

its more fun to play on a device now

[blazing condor]

only chad way to play yugioh is to play with forbidden memories rules

one card per turn and just whack out the strongest monster you can

[sick sentinel]

wrong

very wrong

duel links or master duel

as a meme FM is good, speed runners like it

[violet ginkgo]

how bad is the lack of tank currently in wow?

[plush tendon]

can you reword the question? It doenst really make sense

[hazy bronze]

I want a new tank spec too I guess?

[plush tendon]

meh, I dont see a need for one

[pallid quiver]

If you mean a shortage of tank players, there's generally more a shortage of healers in proper content/M+

[violet ginkgo]

oh so more shortage on healer than tank? interesting

yeah I heard before returning that there is a healer problem what is it? they nerf the number?

[violet flume]

yeah not enough shortage tank wise, i have to wait to find groups

you see those +10 groups that already have a tank waiting on a healer.. f that 😦

[ionic fern]

Healers > tanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dps.

[modern brook]

They nerfed healing overall this expansion yeah

[dusky canopy]

Mmmm this stir fry hitting good

[dusky canopy]

As bull said blizz made a bunch of changes to healing and the community has largely found them to be “bad” so the roll has been very empty

[strong forum]

Prior to DF you had shortage of tanks, but with DF tanking got a decent chunk easier and more approachable

[grim pilot]

healers are nonexistent in m+

[dusky canopy]

Try filling a 24

Takes 2 hours to get a healer with the appropriate skill/score history

[grim pilot]

the higher it is the harder it is

to find peopel

you have guys that did max 24 apply to 26 and shit

[dusky canopy]

Tbf I’ve heard it’s really hard to fill alt keys too like sub 17s sub 11s etc

But yee you’re absolutely right everybody trying to get that 2 key jump in score

[grim pilot]

anything that's not 11 or 17 is hard to fill below 20

16 is somewhat good too

[waxen frigate]

It is

And god forbid you’re actually on an alt that isn’t in bis gear

Literally was trying to help gear a friend

He was like 410 presevoker, I was 443 pwarr

And people would just join, see him, and leave

In 17s

Like bro

[dusky canopy]

Literally did my 20 hoi with a 4 stack in que yesterday spriest did 60k and we were on par to two chest if we didn’t wipe on last boss(tank diff..)

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, pwarrior is bad enough... but rat alt on top... ye that is the final straw

[jagged pier]

based

[dusky canopy]

SMH!

[waxen frigate]

And then the people who would actually stay?

I see why they thought they needed a more geared healer

Since he and I were the only one who stopped any casts the entire key

[daring marlin]

yeah pugging sucks atm

traysh

[waxen frigate]

It’s inconceivably bad

Like i just don’t understand how the skill gap can be so dramatic

And happen so fast

[opaque quest]

I think im done with this game. Cant wait until my fucking sub runs out next week

[cerulean tusk]

Gz on ring

[opaque quest]

Ye guess thats ok for heal

[blazing condor]

how do the stacks on primal tsunami work? is it fixed or dependant on how fast u kill the ads

[opaque quest]

4th time i build a 30 man raid just for my trinket and it just doesnt drop. Crazy

[strong forum]

Last boss hoi? It's adds casting their shit into boss

[blazing condor]

is it the infuse

or is it the things in combat with them

like do i wanna interrupt them asap

when i get back

[strong forum]

Yes

[blazing condor]

ok thanks

[strong forum]

But also coordinate your interrupts/stuns

Their innundate hurts the group

alot

[blazing condor]

ye

noticed

[cerulean tusk]

You can use hard CC to stop em from channeling. Then leave them CCd while you safely handle 1-2 at the time

[opaque quest]

Sheep one

Repentance the other

Kill 2

[modern brook]

Depends on comp a bit. most pugs will poly equiv-2 and then burn the other 2 down while rotating stuns on inundates

you can get away with doing all them if you have the CC/coordination for it

frankly its not really necessary though, even in tyr you're rarely going through 2 phases

[blazing condor]

thanks for info

did it for the first time rn on a 17

always a bit iffy running dgs blind

[pallid quiver]

It's super funny to me seeing people talk about gear as if it's all mega important. My alts just keep getting shot down for DotI for being "too undergeared". They are right in a way; can't live through standing in all the mechanics with like 420 ilvl

i really don't understand why some people play this game

like what do they get from trying some of this content in the way they do

[modern brook]

For a game thats been around for 20 years

the wow playerbase is absolutely dog shit

like unfathomably bad at it

[blazing condor]

^

[grim pilot]

so you're saying you would prefer to take 420 pug over 444 pug?

[blazing condor]

its cus you can play it exactly how you want on your level

[grim pilot]

I dont really see it happening

[blazing condor]

no one is ever forcing you to have to be good

[pallid quiver]

i mean if the 444 is standing everything and the 420 isn't, then yes

That also goes into another complaint of mine, where so many people look for people who have already geared through the content in order to go

like no shit you've been looking for people for 2 hours, those people ain't running that content boss

but my issue isn't "grabbing higher ilvl people"

it's getting told I physicially can't survive content by people higher geared who aren't surviving the content

because they just keep standing in shit

[cerulean tusk]

The classic: before key starts... omg you shit low gear what leave!
After key: omg that was smooth! Friend request recieved

[modern brook]

yeah i mean its harder to show a "% shit stood in" on the applicants screen, in fairness

[pallid quiver]

Like, my first run through of DotI, we went through like 7 healers on the first boss

because they just stood in the orbs that came out of the slams

And their literal stated reason was

"sorry guys, I'm not geared enough for this"

[modern brook]

thats like par for the course

[pallid quiver]

boss i know you can press the buttons that will make you live, you used them to get into the boss fight

[modern brook]

"i cant numbers through content i do not know"

[pallid quiver]

And I don't understand the mentality behind that

[grim pilot]

okay but how are you going to know 420 ilv person is better than 444

[pallid quiver]

As like, why are they playing if they don't want to engage

[modern brook]

I dont disagree i just dont get the comlaint, i guess

[pallid quiver]

That's not my god damn complaint

[grim pilot]

.

[cerulean tusk]

Rio score and XP is a helpful tool

[pallid quiver]

My complaint is the whole "too undergeared" when you're at the intended gear level

Or while in the instance

with people more geared than me

Complaining about a lack of gear

[cerulean tusk]

3.7k tank main, on his 420 tank alt. Will do a good job

[blazing condor]

it sucks how you gotta get someone to enchant your crest so you can craft good items

idg why they did that

[pallid quiver]

I expect to be turned down when someone higher ilvl applies

[modern brook]

throw em on the public market for a gold

[pallid quiver]

But my complaint is the complete lack of understanding of the content and what you need to do to clear

[blazing condor]

yeah smart. honestly gearing is confusing coming from someone who just spams m+

now u gotta spam m+ to get mats to get a crest

[modern brook]

It looks more confusing than it is

[cerulean tusk]

And do a /DND no I won't send it private

[modern brook]

its literally Valor with extra steps

[blazing condor]

yeah i'll just have to get used to it

also need like 500k gold to get rings and shit

[modern brook]

People will do the crests for nothing for the multicraft proc on dracoythsts alone tbh

[cerulean tusk]

500k?

[opaque quest]

Mats got so cheap

[blazing condor]

yeah i havent looked tbh

i just assume im gonna get broke

[opaque quest]

I built like 5 447s today on my DK and spend 50k tops

[cerulean tusk]

I think full kit all 447s is what, 200k total, with crafter fees

[opaque quest]

Na. Dracothysts are only 2.5k now

[modern brook]

its server dependant still i tihnk

[opaque quest]

Probably less

Na its region dependent. EU has 1 AH and US has 1

[modern brook]

for tips i mean*

[opaque quest]

mhhh no

I got some chars across 15 realms and they all cost roughly the same

[cerulean tusk]

EU is dirt cheap at least

[opaque quest]

Ye turbo cheap

[modern brook]

last i paid for stuff tip was like 5k for rerolls to max

but then again

[opaque quest]

I just pay for safe 447

[modern brook]

dracos were still like 8k at that point

[opaque quest]

They say 15k

I say 5k

We meet at 10

And we are both happy

Crests i just make myself and save some dracos with resourcefulness

[cerulean tusk]

I just send it to crafters I got on a list. They craft it, then If whatever AI wrote in was too low, they ask me to pay that as extra on the next one. They handle mats and 100% proc. I just send the item with a missive

I pay for convenience

[opaque quest]

Thats fair . Convenience is hella expensive in wow

[waxen frigate]

Lmao someone said 5k per reroll to me and I said nah I’ll go somewhere else and tipped another dude 500 per roll then 3K after he got it

Like I’m providing all the mats

You’re clicking a button

I’m not paying 5k for a 30% chance

[cerulean tusk]

Just pay 5k for his mats, 100% chance, and your end of the deal is all alt crafts go that direction

Alt army is consumer power!

[opaque quest]

Ye i have a guy for weapons

I just send everything to him and he does it

Wether i give him 10k or 1k

Or 100g

[waxen frigate]

Yea except any half smart crafter knows that if you give good rates they’ll keep getting return service and recommendations

Like I’m not gonna go to a 5k Andy every time

“Tip what you want” and sometimes you know I throw the homeboy 20k bc he’s done me good all xpac

[modern brook]

bro some guy tried to scam me fro 12k for an enchanted crest

I legit respnoded "yeah im not paying you 12k for your chance to resourcefulness my dracothyst"

threw it on the market for 43 silver and it got doe in 30s

[opaque quest]

I already said it. The worst thing is seeing all the crests with 500g comission and zero mats

Like dude really

Who do you think will do that for oyu

[waxen frigate]

Yea not including mats is cringe

I always provide my own mats

[cerulean tusk]

You will?

[modern brook]

im fine with not including mats but like

pay the man

[opaque quest]

Sometimes i accept the order then dont fill it for the shits so he thinks someone is dumb enough to do it

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, order system should have a bid system. Where the order is put out. Then crafters can put in their price. That way crafters get to directly compete and prices go as cheap as they can.

[opaque quest]

There we go

I dont care about cheap honestly. I only care about fast