Parsing is what makes the job fun
#protection
strong forum
waxen frigate
On god
Any tank player can just live on mythic
Good tank players contribute damage as well
Because 50k Dps increase actually does in fact help kill bosses
tawny meteor
i still do things bit old school learn the fight then optimise my dmg
waxen frigate
I’m the other way around
I start as bare bones as possible
Because most likely Dps will die to shit anyway
And I can overcommit CDs early on
And wipes won’t be my fault
Then if I can tell I’ll need to spread out CDs more
I can start doing so as we prog
But I also play brew so stagger 4head
jagged pier
Ew
lusty grotto
oh facts
waxen frigate
6k bear
waxen frigate
Multi class enjoyers
Does he know
jagged pier
They actually play the game
lusty grotto
😱
tardy lily
imagine finding any class fun besides war in df
lusty grotto
reel em in
jagged pier
I played every class and spec in legion
waxen frigate
imagine finding any class fun besides war in df
If you don’t find brew fun ur bad at the game sry not sry
lusty grotto
target acquired
waxen frigate
RSK is a banger button
So big disagree
Shit literally got me killed on our rashok prog kill
Because I crit mid combo and ripped aggro
tardy lily
If you don’t find brew fun ur bad at the game sry not sry
(actually true. i am a tank enjoyer and i fin brew very punishing when doing mistakes)
waxen frigate
Brew is very punishing atm yeah. And the rotation is the most difficult of any tank spec currently
High skill ceiling
tardy lily
plus i dislike monk by default because they removed Jab/weapon usage
aesthetic and tmog increase dps by 10% fite me
waxen frigate
tardy lily
yes it has
waxen frigate
brew has alot of buttons to hit i think
Yes. You can reduce it but it will be a bit worse than playing it at its peak capacity
lusty grotto
nishbrew looks dope
waxen frigate
I wish the chest and legs weren’t the same set but meh
sick sentinel
you need to see a doctor probably
waxen frigate
The rest is all unique
proper roost
people who take pride in not playing anything else in wow is wild lmao
Imagine thinking like that about literally any other form of entertainment you pay for
"i only watch 1 movie people who like any other movies are dumb as hell"
strong forum
I only watch this 1 movie cuz all the others ones don't interest me and are boring. I get my moneys worth from this 1 movie alone
🙂
opaque quest
I tend to play the class with the sickest transmogg at a time rotatin pala/dk/warr/sham lol
proper roost
I only watch this 1 movie cuz all the others ones don't interest me and are bori...
ya tbf if anyone thinks this
They are stupid
:dab:
proper roost
Nah you're just contextualizing it wrong
You barely play the game
How would you ever learn that you like or dislike the playstyle of other specs
esp when most of them only become interesting at high level play which you can't get out of playing it for a week
Or even a month
strong forum
Ive played all of s3 and s4 vigorously exclusively on prot warrior
uneven mason
I mean how hard could vdh be to take more than a dungeon
strong forum
I played 1000 keys in bfa, 980 of that on pwar
proper roost
ya i would say people who actively refuse to seek new experiences and assume they won't like them
are actively dumb
strong forum
I don't assume I don't like em
proper roost
no ragrets about that stance
strong forum
I know I don't like em
Cuz why would I play something else when I enjoy what I'm already playing
lusty grotto
i just dont have time for alts, one alt is kind of rough at the moment for me
uneven mason
I play pwar and guardian 90% of the time because it's what I enjoy.
jagged pier
Because they unfun to play for me
strong forum
I have this super rare skill of knowing what I'll enjoy by looking at how it plays
Wild concept I know
novel temple
What’re the thoughts on next season’s tier set bonuses?
strong forum
Disgustingly good prio/St dmg
proper roost
i mean i believe you believe that
worthy briar
Prot warr gonna be fat
proper roost
i don't think it's true at all
strong forum
I think I know myself better than you 
proper roost
so many specs in this game recontextualize entirely after tryharding
strong forum
Sure
sweet summit
me when someone else enjoys the game in a different way than i do
proper roost
It's not about knowing yourself it's about assuming that you perfectly know how other specs' knowledge works on face value
strong forum
Why do I need to perfectly know something to decide wherether I like it or not
jagged pier
U need to know the base gameplay to know how it works
proper roost
you don't need to
i just said
How would you ever learn that you like or dislike the playstyle of other specs
just knowing the rotation alone is like
the most surface level
irrelevant stuff tbh
jagged pier
If nome doesnt like the way combo points works then he know he wont like rogue
strong forum
Riiight
jagged pier
Or ret
proper roost
it is deep enough that plenty of people find a single spec engaging enough to play only for years
so yeah would say so!
strong forum
Yeah because i only play warrior
In every single game
In every single setting
In every single universe
That's what I like
I don't like magic spambungbang
I like melee combat with physical dmg output with weapons
jagged pier
I like haveing a sword and shield and shouting
And thats coming from someone who played every thing in legion
strong forum
Idk how that's so hard to understand
jagged pier
Every spec every class
strong forum
I do what I like
jagged pier
I know what i like
strong forum
I played like 6 classes in legion, but none more than a few weeks cuz they all bored me cuz they weren't prot warrior
proper roost
it's not hard to understand, it's just that i don't think you can actually confidently say that you 100% would not like anything else at all
it's the same as trying a new food, you might dislike shrimp but some specific shrimp dish is the only type of shrimp you like
strong forum
Same with prevoker in S1
I played it for 3 weeks
Then got bored by it
Cuz it's nto a tank
Dpsing is boring cuz... Well it's boring
Gets really stale really quickly
opaque quest
Play a hybrid. Thats fun for longer
lusty grotto
different strokes
strong forum
I been playing this game for almost 17 years I know what I like and don't like
lusty grotto
i just prio my warrior but i like multiclassing, i just have no time for it lol
nor do i want to make more time for it
so yeah everyones different
i dont want to make more time for it not because i dislike it, but because i'd rather do other shit in RL and/or other games
strong forum
Im a 1 track guy
1 game at a time
I don't do side projects
Go all in on 1 thing, or not at all
Same applies to my class choice
glad apex
opaque quest
I swap every 3 months to a diff class for 3 months
Cause im to lazy to do HC 5 times a week
So i farm HC trinkets then swap to next class
glad apex
strong forum
When I raided in bfa I leveled up other tanks just for farm cuz I couldn't possibly get anything for my warrior
But that lasted about 2 weeks per tank before I got sick of em
Vdh lasted a bit longer but rest was just left to rot never to be seen again
Vdh died with SL for me
lusty grotto
youre hyperfocused nome
opaque quest
I didnt even level DH. Only class im missing mage tower for
lusty grotto
cause i have that happen at work
opaque quest
And now that i dont have MT i dont wanna play DH kekw
glad apex
Let nom cook (prot)
lusty grotto
im not sure how i juggle it outside of it
strong forum
I only have current MT for current prot
Cuz I couldn't give less of a fuck for the others 
strong forum
im not sure how i juggle it outside of it
When that deadline hits
opaque quest
Eh its like CM. I live for transmogg
strong forum
And you get that hyperfocus dopamine
opaque quest
I NEED to have it wether i play the class or not
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
lusty grotto
its a big problem when im asked to lead different projects though
strong forum
I NEED to have it wether i play the class or not
Nah im blessed in that, I only care about stuff I'd actually use
I don't have collectors anxiety for other stuff
opaque quest
I mean im using MT and CM skins on every class. Makes me feel special compared to other ppl running around with Firelands gear or stuff
Even tho its nothing
glad apex
LOL
strong forum
I only got legion MT stuff for 4 other classes cuz it was literally free af last patch of legion
glad apex
That's a take
strong forum
I mean im using MT and CM skins on every class. Makes me feel special compared t...
I do the same
Dw
lusty grotto
thats just FOMO
glad apex
Ye
lusty grotto
all tanks and their off specs was enough for me with MT
strong forum
Gib
opaque quest
If you want Fomo go play Destiny 
glad apex
Where my prot fomo stuff
Tw nightborne shield
strong forum
Have
jagged pier
Where my prot fomo stuff
TRUE
opaque quest
And you'll still end up with MT. Im the same. On my "main" unholy i wanna use the hook but i still end up using MT because special and fomo
99% of transmogg is giga useless and will never be used lmao
opaque quest
Ye needs grp
strong forum
Uldir in general has good stuff
opaque quest
I want the blue heroic one but i dont wanna build a grp
glad apex
Mhm
strong forum
Very versatile
opaque quest
I like the whole roman soldier plate set
strong forum
I have all uldir shields except lfr
cinder storm
Can you burst ghunn m without doing mechs?, He heals a ton I know that
opaque quest
Looking at the fact that its a pug more like 20 cause half the ppl wont have a clue
opaque quest
Ye its one of those bosses that will NEVER be soloable unless changed
opaque quest
brb. New AMD driver. Time to fuck up my PC
uneven mason
brb. New AMD driver. Time to fuck up my PC
Day 0 patch for starfield on their driver
Imagine being the primary partner on a AAA major release and having the game crash repeatedly for your flagship card because you were too busy choking on Xbox dong to optimize it for PC, so 3 driver updates later...it still runs like shit...
And this is why Nvidia manages to stay in business, literally handed AMD the market this year and they were too busy shutting the bed.
opaque quest
I played SF for 4 hours then gave up. I "only" got a 5700xt and medium/low ending in 30 fps was to much for me
uneven mason
I played SF for 4 hours then gave up. I "only" got a 5700xt and medium/low endin...
I replaced my 5700xt with a 7900xt
opaque quest
Todd Howard said the game is optimized btw. We should upgrade our PCs
Im looking at a 7900xt too
uneven mason
It runs at 100ish fps
opaque quest
Ultra?
uneven mason
Not like there's anything that should push the gpu
Literally volumetric lighting is a major feature of creation 2
Welcome to 2015
The Xbone can run starfield at 1080 and 30fps
But a 4000$ PC is choking on it
That's literally just Bethesda being shit
They're a sister company to some of the greatest graphic engineers in the world but they can't be fucked to do more than the more minimum to release
Like walk down the hall and ask daddy Microsoft if you can borrow some of the id-tech team
uneven mason
Todd Howard said the game is optimized btw. We should upgrade our PCs
It's optimized for consoles
Even the ui
Is console
Basically they started working on starfield before the Xbox-x was a thing
lusty grotto
all multi platform games basically have that issue nowadays
fallen order for example
great fucking game, terribly optimized at launch
shit even elden ring had its problems
opaque quest
Starfield is a shitshow rn. 4090 not pushing enough pixels and Todd telling us Toddfield is optimized is hilarious
It probably barely runs on AMD cause the AMD engineers did the hard work and not bugthesda
uneven mason
It probably barely runs on AMD cause the AMD engineers did the hard work and not...
I mean it runs fine, it's very very cpu bound
opaque quest
Im running the game on a 7800X3D. Not a single core is ever close to 70% usage
uneven mason
You see that in the gpu busy metrics, the 7900 and 4080 sit around twiddling their assholes 70% of the time
opaque quest
Im defo running a GPU bottleneck but still. Looking at 4090 benchmarks needing FSR enabled to be above 60 fps is crazy
uneven mason
It might turn out that they engineered it to be core locked
Due to how consoles work
opaque quest
Engine probably loads every single fucking item in the universe causing it to CPU break lol
uneven mason
Im defo running a GPU bottleneck but still. Looking at 4090 benchmarks needing F...
Yeah my buddy day 1 4090 user, fucking pissed
Of course if I paid 2000$ to get half the performance per dollar
I'd be mad too
opaque quest
Friend of me bought a 4080 just for starfield and he cant reach 60 FPS in ultra 4k medium. Hes salty too
No DLSS Frame gen and 40xx is just ass
uneven mason
Friend of me bought a 4080 just for starfield and he cant reach 60 FPS in ultra ...
Buying a 4080 was a bad idea
opaque quest
Buying anything Nvidia is a bad Idea atm
No frame gen no performance boost over 30xx
uneven mason
4090 is literally the only 4000 card that comes close to ppd
opaque quest
Aye
uneven mason
Everything else is just shit in a bucket
opaque quest
AMD is doing the same rn tho. I checked the 7700x reviews and its 10% cheaper than a 7800x and 20% slower
uneven mason
Cp2077 is the only game where the 4080 comes close to beating the 7900xtx and the xtx is still cheaper
opaque quest
Oh yea. XtX is defo dope. I dont understand why new games dont use vulcan
AMD shreds there
uneven mason
When FSR3 hits Nvidia better have something
Because no more propitiatory royalty gating on framegen
As it is the 7900xtx can do path tracing at playable frames, without dlss
Soon as they get framegen on that, even the 4090 going to look like a brick of overpriced shit
opaque quest
Will be hilarious. Fsr hitting old Nvidia too its great
toxic pewter
Are people liking the new tier set or what
uneven mason
What new bear
Lmwhtfy
opaque quest
Nooo why no blue runebear
uneven mason
I love amd. My hardware gets free upgrades
Me too (I had to rma two cards and got generation upgrades)
opaque quest
My 5700xt is also slowly dying. Rrrrr sound into reboot
uneven mason
What power manager do you use
uneven mason
Please tell me you're not actually installing crimson
uneven mason
So I mean...Trixx, Afterburner, ROG, iCUE
Something that manages your fans
And voltages
And logs it
opaque quest
Nothing of that sort
uneven mason
opaque quest
I only got HW Monitor for benching but its never open
Oh and OCCT for the same reaosn
uneven mason
So, your card is probably in "silent" mode and cooking itself
So, grab msi afterburner from guru3d
opaque quest
Na card is running 3k fan RPM with liquid metal repaste and stays way below 90C on hotspot
Trust. I checked
uneven mason
Mine never hit 80c at full load
opaque quest
Its not a thicc 3 ultra is it
And probably not running 2.2 GHZ either
Thing is i undervolted with MSI earlier this year to 1.9GHZ and 900 MV and it changed nothing
Card is just meh. Got it used few years ago
Old owner probably murdered it for mining
uneven mason
It was a red devil, better heatsink I guess
uneven mason
Barf
uneven mason
But since their rma is crap
opaque quest
Ye i wont bother. Ill just put it in my 2nd PC when i get a new one and be done with it
uneven mason
Red devil, aluminum shroud copper pipes
opaque quest
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ucnl37/how_i_got_my_xfx_5700_xt_thicc_iii_to_be_cooler/ This is pretty cool
But honestly not worth it. Ill keep the card at max 3 more month
strong forum
10.2 T31 Talent builds
For all of these FbV and BrV are interchangable. Both don't have a huge impact.
Push M+ Build:
- Spellblock will be the play in most dungeons so its pretty much locked in.
- if you have less than 5400 Haste i recommend playing [Heavy Repercussions] over [Into the Fray] to meet the Shieldblock uptime requirements
- https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVBRFVZVUQCVE
Literally Impossible To Die Training Wheels Build:
- gives you all the goodies you could want in m+, the lack of Shield Charge does hurt rage generation but you make up for its loss of Block Uptime via Bolster and having the pseudo cheat death BSV
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpFRRBBNVUVERRVFVZFUECVE
Weekly Key Damage Build:
- If you need [Shockwave] you opt out of [Uproar] and [Cruel Strikes] like in the push build.
- https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpRQVBBNVUVERBQlVZVUQCUQ
Regular Raid Build:
You'll play [Spell Block] on most bosses. If you dont need [Spell Block] you play 2x [Bloodborne]
-https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVERERVVZVUQDVRA
up to date for 10.2
uneven mason
I'd say grab a 7800xt but it's going to suffer from the amd "middle sibling" issue on drivers
opaque quest
AMD drivers are a pain
Pure pain
Because i never know if its hardware or software
uneven mason
Yeah I only upgrade them when I encounter a problem once I find a stable build
Like starfield
I had to upgrade
opaque quest
Last one was 100% stable. Now im using the one from 3 days ago. Cant wait for another rrrrrr reboot
toxic pewter
Damn so we gonna lose into the fray?
uneven mason
But then rolled back because I started crashing in darktide
strong forum
Damn so we gonna lose into the fray?
you dont play bolster anymore cuz you lose current tierset
toxic pewter
Not sure I even like this new tier set
strong forum
i like it
opaque quest
But then rolled back because I started crashing in darktide
How did you crash? Lockup + pc reset button or just error message with settings reboot
toxic pewter
How does the new tier set work mechanically
toxic pewter
Do I TBS target ss
strong forum
no
strong forum
7 times per minute
toxic pewter
Interesting
toxic pewter
How many bleeds do we have anyway.. it’s 3 right
ionic fern
DW/Rend/TR
toxic pewter
I’m sure it’s been mentioned already but bloodborne still not taken even with this going on
More thunderous roars occurring etc
strong forum
potentially in raid and pad build
but you cant fit it into push build
without sacrificing defense
toxic pewter
Yeah damn still so tight in our spec tree
toxic pewter
Good point. Will we finally be able to reach a lot more haste
uneven mason
How did you crash? Lockup + pc reset button or just error message with settings ...
Game shutoff mid mission
toxic pewter
Lol
Im a big fan of the old dungeons coming back I get the balancing is awful though
gloomy vortex
Which dungeons will be the worst for us you think?
opaque quest
Game shutoff mid mission
Interesting. Mine tends to shit the bed. Its super random tho. For example i can play cyberpunk on ultra with 50 mods for 5 days straight then crash in wow
opaque quest
Mega is mega ass. Battlefield will turn from a fun romp in the park to pure pain with mortal strikes on tyrannical
Also last boss debuff
solemn current
Last boss bends us over backwards. I imagine it’s gotta be nerfed by live. That or spell block will need to work for the dot.
dusky canopy
AMD drivers are a pain
I just swapped from a 3080 to a 7900xtx (taichi) and the experience has been flawless
dusky canopy
My fps in veldraken for example has gone up from 60avg to 100 avg
My fps in dungeons and raids is usually 250+
I think a lot of it is thanks to the Smart access memory feature you get with a AMD build
Since wow is so cpu heavy
proper roost
I just realized yesterday I need to upgrade
dusky canopy
And only single core
dusky canopy
I can’t speak for all cards kanga but I’m very happy with the 7900xtx that I bought
The experience has been great!
proper roost
yeah i was only using nvidia cards before but the price:performance of amd is so good now
opaque quest
finally down to lowest settings on a AAA release
Nono. SF is more like AAAA release. The last A is for assholes didnt optimize their gasme
dusky canopy
Same here I spent years being an nvidia fan boy buying every flag ship since the 780ti right at launch
proper roost
and I have nothing else i wanna play atm lmao
dusky canopy
But a 2000+ usd flagship card is just not worth it
opaque quest
Especially an Nvidia one thats only a 30xx card with frame gen faking it into a new gen
opaque quest
So just waiting to see if it "gets good"
I just uninstalled again. Im waiting for Lies of P and phantom liberty now
proper roost
but yeah like the other day I saw 4070s are $600 which is pretty reasonable idk
Maybe my brain is broken from the covid card prices
which is the last time i looked at gpu prices
potent gulch
looks like will be a lot magic dmg in raid and dungeons
opaque quest
4070 for 600
potent gulch
time to level my paladin
dusky canopy
Eh I understand there’s a price range for everyone, but personally I wouldn’t settle for anything less than a flagship or one tier below flagship but that’s just my personal greed
proper roost
4070 is one tier below isnt it
opaque quest
No
dusky canopy
4080
proper roost
oh i forgot 090s were a thing now
opaque quest
But at that point just buy a 7900xt(x)=
FSR 3.0 is gonna fuck Nvidia so deep jensen will have to use his leather jacked as a tampon
proper roost
anyway i didnt look at amd card prices but nvidia jumped like double the price from 4070 to 4080 so idk about that
dusky canopy
7900xtx beats the 4080 across the board according to the multiple comparisons videos and websites I used as a sources
And it’s cheaper
proper roost
sounded like getting this current gen gpus will last for a really long time
was hearing like 2025+
dusky canopy
Yeah same here I read and heard 2025+ for next gen
proper roost
And I only have a 1440 monitor anyway so dont really need top of the line
dusky canopy
Good time to buy
proper roost
Mb if buy new gpu I buy a 4k monitor tho
opaque quest
1440p in starfield needs at least 4 7900xtx
Maybe even 5
So you can make it look like a game from 2015
proper roost
Ya main thing is when I was shopping for monitors a few years ago there was no real 4k 120-144hz option
and a lot of 1440 144hz options
dusky canopy
Visual smoothness from high frames is more important to me than “crisper” images at 60fps
opaque quest
Cause there was no card for it anyways
Honestly 1440p looks just as good in 4k if you dont have a 92 inch screen anyways
lusty grotto
fuck 4k
opaque quest
100%
dusky canopy
It depends on what’s more important to you visually
opaque quest
If you only play wow and witcher go for 4k
lusty grotto
only dumbass consolers like 4k and try to put it up when they buy PCs
opaque quest
If you play Overwatch maybe dont
dusky canopy
I prefer 1440p and I will stay that way until we’re doing 200+ fps 4k
opaque quest
FSR 3.0 might give us that
7900xtx is already hecking fast
If AMD delivers on their double or even triple FPS
Thats gonna be sick
dusky canopy
I won’t lie I haven’t played with absolutely anything in the adrenaline software except enabling SAM
proper roost
ya i just have no idea how I would be able to tell 4k resolution on a like a 30 inch screen at best
My eyes suck
idk if i can even realistically tell 1080 vs 1440 on my 27 inch monitor size
proper roost
what idk man
my main monitor is at 1440 and my second monitor is at 1080 and idk if i can tell sometimes
lusty grotto
well i can
opaque quest
I won’t lie I haven’t played with absolutely anything in the adrenaline software...
Sharpening is crazy good
proper roost
probably can but i dont play anything on second monitor so w/e
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine
im kinda waiting on microleds to up my monitors, but we will see
skipping oleds altogether
waiting on price drops i mean, though it kinda seems it'll be a while
proper roost
monitor pricing is so volatile and very sales driven i think
I feel like you kind of just camp for a specific monitor sale for like a year
In advance
lusty tiger
Hmm
proper roost
is fervid bite the set bonus thing
strong forum
:9
proper roost
we can finally answer that guy who asked yesterday what the s3 tank meta will be
strong forum
@jagged pier
toxic pewter
Nice
opaque quest
And on higher Keys we spam IP
strong forum
25 procs in 2min12
opaque quest
strong forum
And on higher Keys we spam IP
you spam it in ST aswell
opaque quest
M+ gonna be wild
strong forum
opaque quest
you spam it in ST aswell
Ye i meant tyra bosses and forti bleeds or dots
I wouldnt get to hyped tho. No way we keep a 4p that gives us 20% dmg
toxic pewter
Do you think we will get any patch notes for warr
opaque quest
Before 10.2? We probably get 10 lol
The timewalking event isnt even live and its at least 6 weeks before 10.2
sick sentinel
I made tier list
austere lava
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
Sharpening is crazy good
Do you recommend any specific settings within adrenaline on top of sharpening?
opaque quest
Do you recommend any specific settings within adrenaline on top of sharpening?
Depends on your monitor. Start on 80 and check how it looks. Thats where mine is. If you start to notice white edges on grass for example reduce
When you enable it and go into a game you will be blown away tho so put on your seatbelt
tawny meteor
i did do a test on 5 targets and i had thunder clap up there with SS and fervid bite, cos thunder clap was on cd all the time so it seem i was doing the IP SS marco spam with Thunder clap and just filling with over spells
strong forum
initial feelycraft says it procs every 40 rage spent
on average
so its REALLY predictable
opaque quest
Do you recommend any specific settings within adrenaline on top of sharpening?
Oh you meant on top. Oops. No everything else disabled except freesync and enhanced sync. Sry my bad
tawny meteor
yep just looking at your stream now
opaque quest
nono. Make it 4 dead, tank alive with 5% life. Not a wipe. Defo not a wipe
More realistic
sick sentinel
Ok ok
opaque quest
Nono. You need to die first so your pieces become more valuable
While you live you can only sell them for a bottle of wine tops
sick sentinel
I am actually gonna frame this on my wall
"the damage of this is fucking awful, dog shit!"
nome's stream atm
My art > Nomo stream
nome stream better than many others
opaque quest
Is he sitting in a hot tub?
sick sentinel
others i watch are mikematei, arcus, and esfand
used to asmon but fuck his 2 am streams
im not staying awake 1am then stay awake till 7 am to see end of stream, not worth it fo rme
sleek current
How come we'll not be running bloodborne with the new tierset? Which talents have greater value?
Ah, looks like it's run as part of the damage build for weekly key. In that case, I might be able to read between the lines myself.
sick sentinel
seems unclear if it takes BB bleed dmg increase into effect for the set thing
sleek current
I see. Cheers
jagged pier
Its like no difference in damage as u sacrifice rage gen
And its procs from rage spent
And u have to sacrifce a bit of defensive value for like a tiny gain
sleek current
Ah brilliant, that clears it up! Thank you. 🙂
opaque quest
What were the numbers? 7-12% rage gain for 2-3% dmg i think
Btw for newbies. Theres a drogbar rocks world quest up that goes to 411
If it wasnt nerfed it still op
hazy bronze
I hope the tier set proc has a satisfying sound effect
ruby musk
Like gravel being shoveled into your enemies faces...
I might have to change the sound file for some abilities to that
hazy bronze
Falcon punch from SSB would be good
south zealot
how does bloodsurge work with it
lusty grotto
this season was fine
mixed with the longer tracks
it would have been perfect
but then they do this
plush tendon
I dont agree with crafted gear being bis over Mythic raid gear
I think 444 to 441 is healthy
lusty grotto
sigh
plush tendon
but I would be lying to say I didnt enjoy just decking my toons out in 4-5 crafted pieces and calling it 'fully geared'
lusty grotto
how long does that take though
cause its not like right off the bat
youre forgetting sparks are every 2 weeks
like thats not even a realistic argument
so now im forced to fucking mythic raid
to do keys
fuck that shit
im sick and tired of pugging
strong forum
how does bloodsurge work with it
its rage spent, not rage generated
south zealot
i just meant with ending your bleeds
strong forum
you instantly reapply them
deepwounds gets applied from devastator
and you reset TC
to get rend back up
its 1gcd at best you lose on 1 target
worth of bleeds
lusty tiger
fuck that shit
I could see them rebuffing the crafted gear in the .5 catchup patch
Aren’t they making crests easier to obtain aswell?
lusty grotto
doesnt matter if sparks are timegated still
plus crests are used for non-crafted upgrades
are easier sure, but you also get less per week on cap
kinda seems excessive to fix the fast gear up problem
which honestly shouldn't actually be considered a problem, but i guess people need it as a reason to play
lusty tiger
I dislike the change for sure
I like being able to just craft what I need to push it make the entry requirements much lower for m+ (aka don’t have to fkn mythic raid lol)
sick sentinel
what class healers you guys prefer on sanguine week even though healer doesn't affect it so much and you probably want monk or dk to deal with it
lusty tiger
Druid for typhoon or monk for ROP
sick sentinel
haven't put a key together in a long time, since like end of SL
so, i might try putting my key together
lusty tiger
But at your level it’s less than a coin flip chance the pug healer will actually help get mobs out of sanguine
+17 key range right?
sick sentinel
18 fh is what is in the bags
might do it, might not
might just run 8 +2's and get 6 coins for a spark :S
lusty tiger
Yea I mean it shouldn’t be expected lol but is a nice contribution
sick sentinel
like, i kinda have to do that if i want to get fury 2h's
god only knows how hard it is to get leggo axe
lusty tiger
I am god then
lusty tiger
god only knows how hard it is to get leggo axe
“Axe that can be earned”… “players will need to keep their ear to the ground on how to get”… “after looking at embers of neltharion feedback we hope we can provide something that players feel they can earn the axe over time and players feel rewarded for time spent in the raid”
That’s what the guy said in the video
I transcribed it for guilford yesterday
sick sentinel
sanguine jus isn't fun because you stop payiung attention and then the entire enemy pack heals 50% another dies, drops on fire blast spammer
heals him to 100%
lusty tiger
Don’t stop paying attention
First key I will say always gets me too though
Also dk makes it feel much better
And intimidating shout can be handy for fearing stuff out of sanguine occasionally
@lusty grotto
lusty tiger
Yep
lusty grotto
im ok with it now for sure
lusty tiger
That is pretty chill
lusty grotto
but its kind of the same as it is now isn't it?
lusty tiger
-3 ilvl but yea
dusky ravine
Do yall think prot is gonna do good next season? Dont think theres much bleeds in the s3 dung rotation so prot would be good no?
south zealot
if prot does the most damage it will likely be brought for rhe highest keys
only time will tell
lusty grotto
uhh there are very few bleeds that i can remember
rezan was one but it really doesnt matter
lusty tiger
^ was basically all nome mentioned for bleeds iirc
strong forum
Deios will get nerfed
lusty grotto
like dawn A shouldnt be too bad
strong forum
And Spellblock will be played in every key
lusty grotto
in fact should be fairly simple
strong forum
Except AD
Also
Tierset grants 10-14% DR on prio target
Don't forget that part
😉
south zealot
spellblock in every key is fine bc u dont have to take bolster right
strong forum
- punish
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
strong forum
So you get innate almost 30% DR on Main target
south zealot
not too bad
lusty grotto
called it
strong forum
Fairly predictable, 10-12ppm
lusty grotto
people were dooming yesterday
strong forum
Their issue
lusty grotto
yeah idk, like i said, rage management sets are always a good idea considering our toolkit
lusty grotto
sweet
south zealot
yeah
strong forum
Also, all testable trinkets are shit
Except the tree buff one
Forgot the name already
It's insane uptime on gigantic amount of stats
south zealot
really? i thought pip would be pretty good
south zealot
oh ok
strong forum
Ye I napkin mathed it out to be 2% haste
lusty grotto
spiked counterweight a good one perhaps?
strong forum
1ppm with 15sec uptime on ~3k haste
lusty grotto
oh actually we have no idea what items will make the cut for totd and everbloom
strong forum
spiked counterweight a good one perhaps?
0.92 ppm iirc
lusty grotto
ah fuck
strong forum
Hourglass is good
Rezan is mid
Butcherblock is mid
The pseudo bloodsplattered scale from fyrakk is absolute GARBAGE
south zealot
anvil gaming
strong forum
That thing needs a 100% buff if not more
south zealot
lusty grotto
did you test the fyraak weapons?
lusty grotto
nice
sick sentinel
can evoker help with sanguine at all moving the mobs?
i know they get one ability similiar to earthquake for shaman
classes i know can force (some) mobs to move around is monk dk druid shaman, probably evoker
rain walrus
Their racials are a knock-up and a knock-back, so yes.
sick sentinel
will be nifty whenever we can have dragon mages
pallid quiver
Fairly predictable, 10-12ppm
Ooh, that seems like a nice proc rate. Seems like tierset's gonna be pretty fun for Prot
grim pilot
jagged pier
One day again maybe
modern brook
Fairly predictable, 10-12ppm
I feel like that's insanely high for what it does.
modern brook
It brings us back in line with st dps really
That's fair
strong forum
Yeah by current numbers
It would put is equal to monk ST
Maybe paladin
Cuz we lose current tier
- talents
modern brook
In 60s though we're literally fitting like 10ish More full applications of rend and dw into it. Just sounds like a wild amount of value
pallid quiver
it should also proc a use of execute for us, too
strong forum
Huh?
It's pure ST
Not aoe
Oh
That's how you mean
It does 15k dps
When I played it
So, twice of what current 4pc does
Whilst losing the 15-30% bonus from 2pc
It's really not that huge
vestal moat
Dont the other tanks new tier also add to their dps also? or does warrior add more. So how are we gaining on them relatively speaking.
strong forum
Vdh gains fuckall ST
jagged pier
Whilst losing the 15-30% bonus from 2pc
We not keeping it?
strong forum
Bdk gains decent ST
strong forum
We not keeping it?
Nah not worth 40 ilvl
modern brook
Bout to ask how 2p2p looked
jagged pier
@strong forum literally what i said this morning and u said i was wrong 
vestal moat
VDH is gonna need some buffs or we need to know how sigil of beong redesigned. they are losing the world with the loss of current tier
strong forum
VDH is gonna need some buffs or we need to know how sigil of beong redesigned. t...
They're not
Vdh will be disgusting in aoe
St they will suffer a bit, but not aoe
Bdk gains ST, doesn't gain as much aoe
Bear tier is useless
Monk looks good
Pally is uh...
modern brook
Check pins 😉
Good thing I didn't ask before reading pins:^)
strong forum
Kinda working
My napkin math came out for old 2pc to be slightly worse than 40ilvl on 2 items
You gain 4% str, and 2% stats overall from 40ilvl on 2 tier pieces
mighty valley
my main gripe is it's single target dr%
pallid quiver
yeah but punching out all of someone's blood is funny
modern brook
my main gripe is it's single target dr%
Ngl I didn't even see it had dr on it
sick sentinel
maytbe i'll give DK a go
mighty valley
14-16% dr is legit
sick sentinel
aint decided
strong forum
So back to napkin math
40ilvl 2 pieces = 4% str 2% stats
Old 2pc, when SS is roughly 20% of our dmg
15-30% SS dmg buff, will come out to say average 4% dmg
We gain bolster and unnerving
That's the tradeoff
strong forum
Vs spellblock/tan and instigate
We didn't have any
None that do anything*
As in literally 0
Not just metaphorically
🙂
Smart boi
mighty valley
no!! you have to massively overreact to every strange datamined backend change on ptr day1!!
pallid quiver
When is launch, anyway? I didn't do jack and shit this season and haven't kept up with anything
strong forum
After blizzcon
pallid quiver
It's tomorrow now, and if it isn't, I riot
strong forum
Doa patch
mighty valley
my wife is an outlaw rogue lifer
we're both obsessively checking out the changes despite.... having a child due at the end of october
so we will not actually be playing LOL
i figure she's got to be at least 3 years old before she starts raiding
toxic pewter
Wow 2 incoming at blizzcon
mighty valley
go back to dying in classic
toxic pewter
Gonna announce one expansion and then a sneak peak of wow 2
toxic pewter
go back to dying in classic
Are you ok
warm plinth
my wife is an outlaw rogue lifer
Yooo, you got yourself a good one
mighty valley
Are you ok
sorry, please read my previous message in the tone of good-natured ribbing, as if between buds
mighty valley
Yooo, you got yourself a good one
i do! though currently she needs me to catch up in bg3 so we can talk about it
speaking of other things i need to get done before having a child
mighty valley
I will say hardcore is great
i will agree that hardcore is my favorite version of post-work low-energy solo wow
mighty valley
generally doesn't require so much focus that i can't put on a video or podcast or whatever, but permadeath gives it that feeling of stuff mattering
toxic pewter
Ya
daring marlin
Wow 2 incoming at blizzcon
wb I missed you
toxic pewter
I take life very seriously though, I have challenged many to duel to death for even making rude gesture toward me
toxic pewter
wb I missed you
Thanks been playing hardcore classic
lusty tiger
welcome back apb!
toxic pewter
Thank you 🙏
Lost a duel to a guy the other day. I was lvl 5 and he denied the first challenge. He leveled up and got new weapons. He was lvl 6 and I was 5
He was a coward though so I win in the end
strong forum
You Auto attacked harder!!
lusty tiger
levels are huge
toxic pewter
You Auto attacked harder!!
Lmao indeed
It is kinda fun though where the world is actually dangerous again
Like mistakes can and will be made and then die feels bad
daring marlin
I had someone link me asmongold reacting to a pally LoHing a priest and that guy just left the pally for dead.
The hc experience in a nutshell tbh
toxic pewter
Sounds about right lol
cinder nova
Does the new tier crank harder than last tier?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Looks like it has potential, but we lose a ton of survival.
Since LS and block uptime with bolster is kinda ezmode
strong forum
it does as more dmg in ST
toxic pewter
Seems pretty cool in regards to dr
strong forum
Since LS and block uptime with bolster is kinda ezmode
you swap back to s1 build and nothing changes in block uptime
except that you can afford spellblock again
without sacrificing bloodsurge
cinder nova
Does it do more damage in AOE too?
strong forum
we do ~11k dps with 4pc currently overall throughout a dungeon
next tierset does 15k
on ST
mighty valley
the only aoe gains are the rare times you get a TC reset when tc wasn't available next gcd anyway
jagged pier
Well and more TRs
cinder nova
I was gonna say, how impactful is the TC reset? It seems like we get plenty of TC as is.
strong forum
its noticable outside of avatar
mighty valley
true, the TR CDR is kinda big if it's basically proccing every IP
strong forum
it turns demo CD into ~15-20sec CD
cinder nova
Oh word? Thunderlord go brr?
jagged pier
U barely press 
cinder nova
What about roar? The CDR on it seems like it'd be lower now
jagged pier
For pushing yer TLS will be good
strong forum
roar CDR is very very minor
it take 9 minutes on average
to get 1 extra TR
obv rng can be a bit in your favour, maybe a bit more haste
then you can get more procs
but you need 90 procs of tierset to get a full TR
cinder nova
Think they'll buff the CDR?
cinder nova
9 minutes is literal garbo for raid
strong forum
tierset is already plenty strong
TR is not the factor to look at here
lol
if they buff TR CDR its turbo broken
i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed the set
just because fuck you
jagged pier
Yep
timid thicket
Bear tier looks like garbage
cinder nova
Good fuck em
proper roost
4pc tier set bonus that lets u equip a 2h weapon in mh
👁️ 👄 👁️
man why doesnt blizz just do cool set bonuses when they balance around everyone having it anyway
strong forum
How busted is bear's
trash
it doesnt work cuz UFR just absorbs all the dmg they take
so the set doesnt work
hardy snow
it will work in high enough content 🤷♂️
strong forum
yey your set works for almost half the time
super not garbage!
and doesnt work AT ALL during incarn
so good
oak echo
it'll never work during incarn yeah lol
you either have to not run UFR or do some incredibly degen shit to make any use of it in its current state
timid thicket
BrM looks interesting, could be a vibe for alt of the season
grand veldt
The bear set needs you to risk a lot to get anything
BrM def has the best tier for tanks imho
Warrior got a good raid and tyrannical tier set I think
And DK got a good set
grand veldt
True
Didnt think of the comparison
Really depends on what the legendary is gonna do
Surely if it's just damage DK doesnt get defacto benefit
Like DK could be big bait this season
strong forum
itll crystallize a few months into the season
grand veldt
Esp if the legendary does kiss curse mechanics like damage or reduce your healing taken
strong forum
speculating now is just like guessing whos gonna win next election
grand veldt
True
I'm getting my warrior, brm, and dk ready for tanking, will make a choice as patch gets closer
So happy to be done with guardian
Btw tides has a bleed that stacks 5x
That place is gonna be pure cringe
cinder nova
NGL still bummed it's 2h and not 2h/1h
I'd like them to just make it modular so that 1h classes and 2h classes can get the cool axe to use.
grand veldt
Idk I'm not bothered
strong forum
nono 2h str users didnt have a cool weapon since shadowmourne :kappa:
they totally needed another omega 2h weapon
cinder nova
That's why I want it to be modular. Think of how big that'd be.
Hell, make it 1h/2h/Dual-wield
That way tanks can use it, 2h classes can use it, and DW classes can use it.
hardy snow
yeah, and gavel was so useless shit, that I used it on my guardian druid
hardy snow
indeed there wasnt cool 2h wep
strong forum
really lackluster
meanwhile 1h str users had their last cool 1h
in the first raid ever
hardy snow
pallid quiver
I'm not actually surprised, since they tend to have their most popular designs be two-handed weapons. Also, it feels better for most people to get a legendary weapon and be done with that slot.
fury warriors in shambles or something
pallid quiver
it's pain for me since i like 1 handed weps more ;-;
it took like five millennia to get a proper rapier or something
urban bane
Man I guess this kills SMF 
opaque quest
(lead rewards designer is a DK main)
Impossible. Why are DK Sets so god damn ugly then
strong forum
rewards designer =/= art design