back to alliance with me
#protection
lusty grotto
wooden radish
🙂
lusty grotto
thanks to xfaction guilds
warm plinth
you get stacking armor bonus from judgment, which empowers consecration that does more damage and has a bigger radius, and during the empowered consecration you have a chance to do 20% bonus damage w/ abilities
But if you have to move out of the empowered consecration, fuck you
It's 10 stacks and only 1% per stack btw
Not that armor means really anything to ppal
wooden radish
You’ll average 6% more armor
mighty valley
has the "end bleeds early" effect ever really worked out? not gonna say no to probably permanent 10+% DR but it's very single target and it sounds irritating to optimize
wooden radish
Which is like 1.6k armor
warm plinth
Like if I get blistering scales on a prot war, I get 3% DR
So ppal has to be even worse
since you get it from sotr
And that's a 30% increase
(blistering)
chilly brook
obviously, getting more per cast doesn't really mean much if you're still capped
but I wasn't saying it was a buff....
mighty valley
I thought that there was a patch note from like a year ago that stated the change implied in that datamined tooltip
did they like... forget to do it
maybe I'm misremembering
lusty grotto
interesting
thin silo
obviously, getting more per cast doesn't really mean much if you're still capped
it is almost certainly no mechanical change, just a minor wording tweak
just like how everyone panicked about Thunderclap having a rage cost for Prot in 10.0
chilly brook
it is almost certainly no mechanical change, just a minor wording tweak
just lik...
you are quite literally making an argument that I didn't make
I'm not "freaking out"
or "panicking"
All I did was highlight and I quote "IP being changed"
thin silo
you are quite literally making an argument that I didn't make
IP being changed to what looks like flat 30% HP?
You're claiming IP is being changed. That's what I'm arguing against.
chilly brook
because as per the datamine, and the definition of the word "changed" it is
whether or not it amounts to anything is a different discussion entirely and something you for some reason are latching onto
thin silo
"ah well see actually according to definition #2 in Webster's International, my use of this word conforms to accepted meanings and actually I wasn't explicitly saying what it was clear I was gearing towards in my statement!"
lusty grotto
give it a rest
this is a pointless argument
we all understood what griff was highlighting except you
thin silo
do tell, then
chilly brook
"ah well see actually according to definition #2 in Webster's International, my ...
bro really out here strawmanning and making a big deal about it
lusty grotto
i got better things to do than to latch on to this pointless discussion, so no
chilly brook
bro actually has the IQ of my room's temp
supple path
Now you're just making me sad because I was like, "Wait, that's an insult? Oh right, it's not 105 everywhere today."
WORK BETTER AIR CONDITIONING
proper roost
damn they release a boring tier set and random prot warriors come out of the woodwork being rage capped
jagged gust
bro actually has the IQ of my room's temp
Average prot warrior
lusty grotto
i was kinda thinking that
i actually do like tier set bonuses tied to rage management
mighty valley
i think it's good to be rewarded for doing your normal stuff right, that's fine
toxic pewter
How the hell are there zero changes for warrior in 10.2
lusty grotto
like VO was a super great idea
and this one seems like it will synergize well with correct rage management
mighty valley
How the hell are there zero changes for warrior in 10.2
it's day 1 of ptr notes, the major reworks are the focus
proper roost
holy shit apb crawled out of his hole
toxic pewter
I’m boycotting retail
thin silo
How the hell are there zero changes for warrior in 10.2
Didn't you hear? They changed IP
proper roost
Pog
toxic pewter
I’m a classic man now
mighty valley
Didn't you hear? They changed IP
fucking let it go, this is embarrassing
lusty grotto
jesus
proper roost
Damn this guy is at 160 rage
lusty grotto
LOL
thin silo
It was too funny not to. the timing was chef's kiss
mighty valley
Great times are being had
i lost a level 18 to foolishness today, i think the curse is broken
i can stop playing classic now
toxic pewter
Lol again
Go again
I killed a rogue the other day in game
Duel to the death
LOL
He talked down on my name publicly. Slayed him at the crossroads in game
Over 40 people watched
quiet monolith
Wouldn't it be cool if we could be decent again
jagged gust
lusty grotto
it starts
warm plinth
You know what I learned this week Nimchip
lusty grotto
whats that Ghash
warm plinth
The crushers in Freehold hit very hard
warm plinth
Ikr
I pulled 1 pack + crusher patrol
And just instantly died w/ barkskin and IF active
lusty grotto
im so confused
warm plinth
About?
warm plinth
Yeah, the unmitigated number on logs was over 1 million
On the 350k hit I mitigated 70%
warm plinth
lusty grotto
i guess i fucked up somewhere
warm plinth
warm plinth
So what I learned is that I need to pull them in later after my tier gets a chance to stack up
And I can get multiple IF stacks active
cinder storm
It was eye opening on my ppal, those adds slap
warm plinth
Knuckledusters hit quite hard too, but not that hard
lusty grotto
i actually didnt know ppals get slapped that hard until you mentioned it ghahs
like 1 or 2 weeks into s2
warm plinth
Yeah, especially on sang week when you have to keep redropping cons. You forget once and kapow
lusty grotto
lol
you just reminded me of that ret pally that raged at us
cause i was pulling too big
warm plinth
lusty grotto
and he was dying to fixates and random shit
and he left
and we still timed with 4
warm plinth
Dude did you see what I dealt w/ yesterday in a 19 NL
lusty grotto
21 or 22 or some bullshit
lusty grotto
ahahaha
warm plinth
446 ilevel 2.7k btw
lusty grotto
gorddi and me used to have
these really weird pugs sometimes
kind of like that
like hpals doing no damage
cinder storm
Some people do keys while high or drunk, or both
lusty grotto
and priests doing 1.2k
or some bullshit
and we're always like what the fuck is going on
lusty grotto
some dude in a pug mythic group the other day said
that people will get a lot of those due to the bans
cinder storm
And then said "I'll carry anyone"
Did he kick at least?
lusty grotto
apparently people cant play without the dumb bot
warm plinth
Well, it was Freehold
So not really anything to kick
Or no
It was NL
sorry
Which I guess still not much to kick
To answer your question though
He had 0 interrupts
He had 18 casts per minute...
what the fuck
cinder storm
Sometimes I wonder how those people's brain work
proper roost
people when their tank spec is anything except #1:
heavy sigh when will we ever be even remotely viable...
(2 cpm shield block) sigh when will they ever make prot warrior actually GOOD at damage reduction again..
warm plinth
people when their tank spec is anything except #1:
*heavy sigh* when will we ev...
Yep, basically
hardy snow
another rng proc weapon
warm plinth
what's wrong w/ proc weapons anyway 😠
opaque quest
Get full healed. 400% crit. Get fucked to death lol
proper roost
Yeah the crazy crit of 160k
less than one auto in m+
Def will murder you
on like 1.2m s3 hp
So bad
opaque quest
I forgot sarcasm is only understandable when youre 12 or older
warm plinth
The wording seems to indicate that only the damage to targets is increased, but could just be vague Blizzard wording.
mighty valley
slightly ambiguous, I guess
in any case it's like 100k pre-dr% and only if you're already at a safe health threshold
mighty valley
rend + deep wounds + thunderous roar
sick sentinel
deep wounds, rend, and roar?
so, it only removes the bleeds from 1 target? or many?
have to assume 1 since ss is 1 target
so like, a 16 % dr for 10 seconds a minute
best case scenario saw someone say ~2ppm
vocal verge
Prot war and bdk tier sets make me sad
warm plinth
so, it only removes the bleeds from 1 target? or many?
1 target, yes
And the roar bleed is virtually irrelevant since you won't necessarily have it up when you get a proc
vocal verge
We don’t need the tclap reset and the bleed removal being a proc is weird because ideally we would want to slam it when we troar
warm plinth
the deep wounds/rend part is a minor dps increase since you're basically just refreshing those the entire time anyway
Well the TC reset is welcome in this case because it allows us to reapply Rend right away
vocal verge
They could make the proc also proc a clap like arms
warm plinth
In any case, this entire tier set is purely single target aside from the probably minor TR cooldown reduction so
Very very lackluster
vocal verge
I’d imagine they’re going to rework it. I like the concept but it isn’t okay and it doesn’t make us want to pick anything new because we can’t give up anything for the blood borne talent
modern gazelle
is ther eany way to use the liquid list wa with dbm?
i am progging echo and i feel like it would be easier if i could just call peoples numbers for them but i hate big wigs
mellow bridge
Go through every single weakaura and change trigger from bigwigs to dbm
And then pray to the god of your liking
mighty valley
And the roar bleed is virtually irrelevant since you won't necessarily have it u...
Accelerating roar bleed isn’t even a long term dps increase, right? Since it’s on a long enough cooldown that you’re never refreshing
warm plinth
Accelerating roar bleed isn’t even a long term dps increase, right? Since it’s o...
Yeah it's burstier I guess but that's about it
mighty valley
I don’t feel like this exsanguinate style “end your dots” thing ever works out
south zealot
its kinda annoying to play
ocean yoke
oh boy m sark down
mighty valley
congrats!!
ocean yoke
fun boss
rustic knot
looking at coming back on prot warrior but i feel like the tier is kinda not so hot, hows everyone feel about it?
rustic knot
oh boy m sark down
grats bb
jagged gust
Sounds kinda awesome for raiding ngl
prisma crane
would be awesome if it could pop all of our bleeds
lusty grotto
like i mentioned before i like set bonuses that focus on rage management
so i like it
dont @ me
prisma crane
i want a gravity slam where something like TR grips nearby enemies
rustic knot
Just too st focused
our survivability gonna be okay in the beginning of prog or is it gonna be kinda sketchy?
warm plinth
Purely depends on whether we end up with a bunch of magic dot fuckery again
lusty grotto
i dont think it matters
modern gazelle
Go through every single weakaura and change trigger from bigwigs to dbm
if im only using the list though wouldnt i just change the list one?
like i only want the liquid list, none of hte other liquid pack
urban portal
our survivability gonna be okay in the beginning of prog or is it gonna be kinda...
Beginning of prog you wouldn’t have the new 4 set
The survival in st is very good
It’s just not great in aoe
dire sparrow
Purely depends on whether we end up with a bunch of magic dot fuckery again
can't wait for experiments and Zskarn 2.0
rustic knot
Beginning of prog you wouldn’t have the new 4 set
word thanks for the replies 🙂 i know yall prolly get the overload of new people asking the same shit, i check the pins usually but nothing formally in there yet
i think ima give my warr a go this patch maybe bank on being better as tuning hits
urban portal
Just hope to god the hard fights is not something like primal council
dire sparrow
hopefully they make the magic dot fights actually spellblockable like Sark is
rustic knot
all the 2p says is "spending rage" so im curious to see what that proc looks like
chilly brook
i lost a level 18 to foolishness today, i think the curse is broken
died at level 14 because I killed a named mob and he instantly respawned right after in a mob dense area
after that I just noped out
quite literally died because of the game not because I messed up
proper roost
it's not important to focus on what the set bonuses are right now
a lot of the set bonuses got changed very drastically from initial 10.1 ptr to release
arms one completely changed to something different for example
lusty grotto
agreed
slow pawn
How do we get two ass Tier sets
proper roost
i'm getting
who was that guy earlier
who argued with the one giga aggro dude
i'm getting griffed
or i am the griff
lusty grotto
oh yea
lusty grotto
that wasnt a one guy though
modern gazelle
anyone know?
lusty grotto
that was just spite
proper roost
i mean
it literally doesn't matter how good or bad a set bonus is
you actually kind of don't want it to be good
look at fury rn
the tier set is carrying fury massively, which means start of 10.2, it's going to be dogshit
it NEEDS to get massively buffed or it's just not going to exist 2 weeks into 10.2
And that's a huge dice roll to make on blizz to actually give a shit about your spec
since they specifically balance around having set bonuses, the best case scenario is to like
have a strong set bonus early on and then the set bonus gets nerfed and your spec individually gets buffed
warm plinth
I don't actually care if it's good or bad as long as it doesn't make the gameplay shit, which it does not appear that it will do
(for prot I mean)
opaque quest
I got 4p today on my enh and now my rota feels like dogshit. Lets just hope they change our new tier to not affect us at all lol
lusty grotto
yeah it really doesnt matter, rage management bonuses are great, bonuses that change talents are also great, if any of those 2 are in, im good
anyway we're getting one guy'd so whatever
warm plinth
I guess we go back to HR though
lusty grotto
depends, we might probably hit 7100 rating
lusty grotto
the haste bump might make it realistic to not go HR
just on ilvls
but this is just feelcrafty
lusty grotto
kind of
warm plinth
Also am I the only one who misses the artifact ability
proper roost
no i do a lot (but on other specs)
lusty grotto
new warriors might seriously need to stick with HR until they get better (and get better gear) though
warm plinth
I liked our artifact ability
proper roost
mostly the fact that you didn't have to waste a talent point to get it
y'know
like
i don't like having eye of tyr as a talent idk
warm plinth
I'm super excited about outlaw changes
Yeah a lot of the artifact abilities were made talents, it's pretty sadge
proper roost
or (this is a really big one for me) I actually really liked the bdk artifact ability
Like yeah it was extremely minor
and not that good
opaque quest
Consumption was super good
warm plinth
Consumption was OP what do you mean
proper roost
but it was available enough to bridge your rotation occasionally
opaque quest
lmao
warm plinth
It was literally why BDK was meta in Legion
proper roost
hmm idk been like 10 years shrug
warm plinth
I think there's a new one though right, that isn't remotely as good
proper roost
wasn't it literally just frontal cleave heal for large % of the damage you just did
warm plinth
It gave the entire party 25% leech
proper roost
its the same ability but its on a side talent node that you cba taking
opaque quest
Yeah its talent now and it sucks
proper roost
oh
did it matter in raid bc i didn't M+ like
almost at all in legion so i don't know the meta
pretty sure it didnt
warm plinth
Probably not, but in M+ it was insane
opaque quest
Was still good in Raid
proper roost
yeah so thats prob why i dont have any recollection of this experience
opaque quest
But not broken like M+
warm plinth
I feel like everyone was prog raiding with brew and bear in Legion though
So you didn't see a ton of BDKs
(I'm not a raider though so I may be way off)
proper roost
anyways the bdk one is the one i miss the most since like I said its in
i mean its even really accessible rn
but you just dont take it
feels bad
i just miss legion bdk
i liked blooddrinker which is i'm pretty sure a terrible opinion
restive crown
gdruid still meta for next season basing off changes so far?
proper roost
there's also been barely any changes
none of the tier sets are even remotely finalized
literally the entire dps/healer meta also help dictate it
and guardian wasn't even sole meta tanks after all the nerfs currently this season
lucid holly
I just hope they make prot set have some aoe interaction cause it’s a good set but in keys on fort it’s gonna feel bad like this
proper roost
season isn't over yet
opaque quest
Kinda want the arms bonus. Just replace execute with SS and sudden death with SS procc
proper roost
but ya vdh has second highest representation currently iirc. it's still pretty far obviously but
kind of silly to ask what the s3 tank meta will be
when literally no meaningful changes or updates have happened
opaque quest
Ye
proper roost
and a big part of bear being good right now is because you really want the druid
meanwhile rdruid in s3 is getting giga buffed so?? like??
what to say
opaque quest
3% vers coming from healer would free up tank defo
Still. Tank will probably be whoever does the most dmg but tuning hasnt happened xd
lucid holly
Bear losing tier set is also a straight up 10-15% nerf with how their new one is rn too
opaque quest
Looking at all the tier sets they will be reworked anyways. Looking at Holy paly for example 4p is straight up downgrade
lucid holly
Yeah lots of tuning over the next few months for sure
violet ginkgo
do we actually have to cast "rend"? thunderclap is good enough right to apply the bleed?
lusty grotto
correct
ionic idol
do we actually have to cast "rend"? thunderclap is good enough right to apply th...
thunderclap is enough
lusty grotto
im actually ok with this rotation
except for
those 2
what the fuck lol
lika AD, WCM, DT, and BRH are solid
lusty grotto
and throne of the tides elevator boss, which im hoping gets fucking redesigned
uneven mason
uneven mason
Werebear, done gudder
violet ginkgo
for excess rage just cast ignore pain?
lusty grotto
yes
opaque quest
Not sure if i hate or like it
violet ginkgo
Owlbear in Lost ark
uneven mason
Oh and, battle cat?
lusty grotto
idk why but i like it
uneven mason
However, they might all endup being NPC models, because if there is one hard rule, Moonkin will never get a new form.
high aspen
astral form 🤤
uneven mason
astral form 🤤
Astral form was their answer to people bitching about tree being taken away
uneven mason
Which shows how much they ever pay attention to druids
dusky canopy
Hey cool ive seen up to p3 sark now >:)
lusty grotto
nice
mighty valley
i'm also not an everbloom fan but idk, for some of the other old dungeons they've basically made entirely new bosses to replace bad ones
they could fix it up
dusky canopy
oh yeah the S3 dungeon convo
literally hate all of them
dead season for me but ill still do portals...
lusty grotto
i like all of them except for everbloom/totd
lusty grotto
you will
hollow scroll
Oh and, battle cat?
i refuse to call it anything other than craptor... maybe caraptor if i dont want to insult the druid in that form
lucid holly
dead season for me but ill still do portals...
It’s a terrible dungeon pool for title keys. I’ll prob give up title next season. I don’t wanna do +28 tyrannical dawn or DHT or most of those tbh
pallid quiver
guys why does warrior get funny tier sets next season
we get to punch the blood out of people
it's so funny of an idea
hollow scroll
just think of it as u bleed them dry until u cut them again?
pallid quiver
no i like the idea of punching out all of someone's blood
it's so funny
Also, I'm curious what they'll do with Throne of the Tides, because I've always thought it was a pretty dungeon
slow pawn
Better Question Why the F did they chose throne of tides
elevator boss for 4 minutes woohoo
Same with VP ass dungeon
opaque crag
full dungeon rework 
ionic fern
I woke up..thought "Should i go to work today or do home office.." decided the weather is nice so i went to work.
So... 8h.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
Mmm, kinda out of touch. And not really sure why TR is included in it at all. It's also a 95% single target set bonus which is super boring.
Curious how often it's going to proc though
ionic fern
CAUSE OF BLEEDS.
SS reset, TC reset, SS reset, TC reset, SS reset
Muching procs during UF windows.
warm plinth
Yeah, just like...TR isn't a maintained bleed, so insta-consuming it really doesn't do anything for us
And I highly doubt they're gonna make TR an 8 sec CD XD
er, 10 seconds*
ionic fern
Je, was memeing.
Still, Bloodborne, Bloodsurge, UF are all going to be affected by it.
warm plinth
I think the idea of a proc based off rage spent is a good idea. I just think the effect they chose is bizarre
I can't think of a single "your bleeds are instantly consumed" talent/ability that has ever been like, wow this is really nice/cool
jagged gust
Imagine if it works like Tactician though, infinity roars
warm plinth
We still can't really take Bloodborne though. Maybe if it was 1 point for the full 20% but idk. Just 1 point doesn't seem worth
and 2 is too expensive
sullen gust
This tier reads to me like "little bit of single target extra damage a pretty inconsistent damage reduction you won't be able to make meaningful use of as its a random proc chance on out main rotaional ability"
Or am I missing something?
warm plinth
It should be a decent amount of extra damage in single target I think. Since we basically are constantly refreshing deep wounds and rend and never actually consuming the full DoT
But how often it procs will determine how much extra damage it is
lusty tiger
Also gm Ghash mwahi wowie it’s time for me to schleep
warm plinth
gm sir
jagged gust
It reads to me unlimited power
lusty grotto
where jordan!?
urban portal
I can't think of a single "your bleeds are instantly consumed" talent/ability th...
Arms already got that
It’s quite insane for burst on totems
south zealot
idk if id say insane
urban portal
For a 24s cd it’s pretty good burst
south zealot
by itself its like a glacial spike
pallid quiver
Yeah, it'd heavily depend on proc rate, but the idea of the effect is still very funny to me
urban portal
It’s probably gonna be lame
Because it’s gonna be on a ppm
Revenge is 3ppm and it fel like it never procs
warm plinth
gloomy vortex
Could it also work on removing bleeds that we get from enemies :p
hardy snow
anyone know?
just turn off co-tank auras, with such packs its good to check "never" in load option for everything, and then just selectively turn on specific ones that you want to work
remote venture
The tier bouns sounds cool
jagged pier
meh
south zealot
its obnoxious to play
jagged pier
From the testing this morning yer its cool but its soly ST, and if u want to play max damage u want to take bb
Which kind of sucks
Because in raid at least u will want 2pc 2pc so then u also have to take bolster
So u drop something else
patent gorge
Let thunderclap consume the bleeds. Lol now we are talkin
jagged pier
patent gorge
Give them and take them , fug it
chilly brook
set do seem kinda goofy
patent gorge
I did like a 4 min target dummy and had like 63% uptime on the debuff.
It does do well on ST though
hardy snow
Because in raid at least u will want 2pc 2pc so then u also have to take bolster
really in first iteration proc rate is so shit that on st 2x2p is better? XD
hardy snow
ah right, proc rate (for TR cdr) would need to be massive to drop that, and that would be dumb and op in aoe 🤷♂️
jagged pier
well youll probably run 4pc in m+
hardy snow
I wont be surprised if they will nerf s2 sets to force people not playing 2x2p
hardy snow
yea, no room for uproar in M+
jagged pier
bliz giving use a teir set we can full use because we are so strapped for talent points
jagged pier
thats the dream
literally can just afk on that class
at least the tier set is easy to play tho
u consume
u press TR and revenge
done
during avatar probably just TC
hardy snow
revenge isnt that much important in terms of applying bleed after set procs
its on single target from shield slam, so you reapply deep wounds by autoattack anyway
foggy thunder
heya - am i reading this wrong or does tier make it seem like im going to be tab targeting a lot more for different shield slam targets
jagged pier
no
ionic fern
You are reading that wrong.
warm plinth
Isn't it like a 5 second debuff lol
jagged pier
its on single target from shield slam, so you reapply deep wounds by autoattack ...
sure but u can get a proc back to back before a AA reset in a very niche case also could be PTR where i have nothing set up so cant really see deep wounds
jagged pier
Isn't it like a 5 second debuff lol
10 buff to us and no idea on the debuff kinda doesnt matter
foggy thunder
ok thats made me happier
sweet summit
what is prot tier do ?!
warm plinth
what is prot tier do ?!
It procs when you spend rage and promotes you to Stormforged
sweet summit
jagged pier
its not BOM which is what hes asking basically
sweet summit
i have no idea what it does there is no pin telling me...
sweet summit
oh i forgot
ionic fern
i have no idea what it does there is no pin telling me...
Damage.
You're welcome. In return, analyse my fury logs.
sweet summit
yo the set seems kinda nice...
ocean reef
ErgaProt return??
sweet summit
thanks bensin love you
ocean reef
Boost me in DoS maybe?
sweet summit
ocean reef
👉 👈
potent gulch
it does this
is it t31?
jagged pier
thats the new tier set yes
potent gulch
thats the new tier set yes
looks nice
jagged pier
its alright but still could tuning etc to come
lilac scroll
This tier reads to me like "little bit of single target extra damage a pretty in...
More thunderclaps I suppose, which is it's only AoE benefit.
jagged pier
its not more TCs really sure it resets it but u still SS as prio
hollow flower
How often is the procc roughly?
jagged pier
6-7ppm
hollow flower
So around every 10 seconds
jagged pier
yer but like u dont really notice the reset you kinda just playing rotation as normal mostly
just you do a big hit every 10 seconds
hollow flower
Yeah was curious about the dr uptime which would be about 50% ST
jagged pier
ah we dont really care like first season tier set
if its up its up if its not its not
hollow flower
Yeah thought so
blazing condor
why are our tier sets always so ugly now
ionic fern
Becuase you can mog away from them.
ionic fern
Protections 10.2 Tier set:
(2) Set Bonus: Spending Rage has a chance to cause your next Shield Slam to consume your bleeds on a target, instantly dealing 100% of remaining damage and reducing the target's damage dealt to you by 10% for 5 seconds.
(4) Set Bonus: When your bleeds are consumed on a target, their damage dealt to you is reduced by an additional 2% per bleed consumed, the cooldown of Thunder Clap is reset, and the cooldown of Thunderous Roar is reduced by 1 second.
ionic fern
Je.
blazing condor
just hit thunder clap and shield slam
jagged pier
and do dam
ionic fern
Just do what you're already doing.
blazing condor
exactly
feels like BFA deafning crash
TC every other gcd
depending on ur ss procs
oh nvm its spending rage that gives u that chance
thought it was that SS always took the bleed
jagged pier
u just IP off the gcd
tardy lily
i just saw ip formula in the datamine has changed to be based off total hp
and no vers is used in the calculation.... ist that a nerf? 🤔
blazing condor
rare erga
warm plinth
@ionic fern am I correct in assuming that the datamined spell data for IP is just a text string fix or something?
strong forum
Link
warm plinth
let me find it, one sec
jagged pier
warm plinth
yes, that
jagged pier
which is nice
warm plinth
But isn't that saying that each cast is 30% HP?
jagged pier
no thats max im pretty sure
strong forum
Hmm
warm plinth
Yeah that's like...kinda ridiculous
jagged pier
thats a big IP
strong forum
But i won't complain
jagged pier
well with the amount of magic damage in the new dungeons
strong forum
It's quite a buff
warm plinth
I mean, no, but it also means we could essentially have almost full uptime on 50% DR
strong forum
Vs dots
worthy briar
Makes Ip yuge
strong forum
And makes BrV entirely obsolete
warm plinth
Though if it's datamined that means it should be on the PTR, no?
west walrus
I understand the wording as "your ip pool can prevent up to 30% max hp damage", as we are capped at 30% max hp it does not seem to change anything
strong forum
It changes everything
Currently you need to press IP 3x to get max IP
If you get pummeled like mad
Say dots
This is an insane defensive increase in high pressure frequent dmg situations
warm plinth
Yeah, any situation you wouldn't break IP anyway, it'll make no difference.
e.g. when taking purely blockable damage
warm plinth
That's normal then
hollow flower
I also read it as the Cap is 30% Not a single cast
warm plinth
The confusion is that the tooltip doesn't show the cap
It shows the cast
So the change in the spell data doesn't make sense
strong forum
The cap isn't stated on the tooltip
Ever
It just exists
But isn't stated anywhere
This is changing the calculation formula how much IP you get from pressing it
Not displaying the cap
warm plinth
The only reason we know the cap is because Blizzard told us basically (formerly 3 casts, now 30% max HP)
west walrus
What I forgot to say is i imagine a bigger pool, and still a max absorb to 30% max hp per hit/dot
warm plinth
But the spell data implies that a single cast will give us 30% health absorb
Nah there's no shot we get a bigger pool
Or wait, by bigger pool do you mean like...more absorb per cast? Because that's not what the spell data is saying.
or it is, but not less than 30% hp
If you look at the tooltip on live,
so the tooltip is showing 1 cast of IP
hollow flower
Hmmm yeah ok
warm plinth
But this wording is exactly what's shown in the datamined data
Which implies one cast of IP is going to be 30% hp
hollow flower
That would be to OP right?
warm plinth
It would certainly be quite strong
jagged pier
well not OP but it would help against magic and bleeds etc
warm plinth
We would probably be one of the best tanks against magic damage, if not THE best, if that went live.
jagged pier
on low stuff wont change anything cause u gunna over cap
warm plinth
which is why I kinda feel like it can't be real
jagged pier
well its not real right now
hollow flower
IT would basically mean WeE dont have a weakness
jagged pier
so lets just wait and see
warm plinth
Yeah, we'll have to see if it actually ends up in-game, either on PTR or live
strong forum
I think it's them adding the cap
To the tooltip
And the crossed out part is just a mistake
warm plinth
yeah, that would definitely make more sense
jagged pier
^
hollow flower
Someone knows which build is live on ptr
hardy snow
just like always - dont think too much about datamined changes, wait for proper bluepost
warm plinth
Someone knows which build is live on ptr
hollow flower
Yeah than that Datamine Change should be on there
warm plinth
Why do you say that?
hollow flower
The datamined Posts says its for for 51239 build
warm plinth
oh
Welp, then who knows haha
Because Jakey and I have both tested it now and it's still the same as on live, so I guess unless something changes, we just ignore it
jagged pier
its just adding to the tooltip
warm plinth
ahhhh
hollow flower
Mystery solved
warm plinth
live does that too, mystery unsolved 😢
Oh nvm I see
It's updating on the ability tooltip, not just the buff tooltip
which it does not do on live
jagged pier
yer its just the tooltip displaying the cap not 1 press
warm plinth
Jakey to the rescue
prisma phoenix
How is prot looking btw?
jagged pier
in what context?
prisma phoenix
Build and tier set
Fury and arms looking kinda lackluster and new leggo doesn't seem to fix existing issues
edgy kindle
Are we excited about tier bonus? I don't think it looks particularly good in AoE :/
jagged pier
Build and tier set
builds are being working on 🤷
its literally been realised today
how would we know anything
it looks
like we might actually be king of ST tanks again
but they can just tune that away
jagged pier
Are we excited about tier bonus? I don't think it looks particularly good in AoE...
yes because reducing TR cd isnt good in aoe at all
:/
jagged pier
its not a chance its every 10 seconds
edgy kindle
(2) Set Bonus: Spending Rage has a chance to cause your next Shield Slam to consume your bleeds on a target,
?
edgy kindle
So we are gonna reduce TR from 60s to 53~~ ish seconds
jagged pier
well its probably around 9-12 seconds ull take off it
adds up over a key
we also dont need anything in aoe
our aoe is fine
edgy kindle
Hmmm, yeah, but usually they had this thing of 2-Tier being general good thing and 4-Tier being more AoE, so it surprised me.
Now that I think about it 10.0 4-Tier was just plain +5%
hardy snow
Hmmm, yeah, but usually they had this thing of 2-Tier being general good thing a...
and it its, s3 4p does almost nothing in ST and its purely for AoE
edgy kindle
Well, you probably know better than me, that's why I asked, ty for the answers
hardy snow
yer its just the tooltip displaying the cap not 1 press
isnt this kind of dull change? current tooltip shows single usage, changing just that kind of suggests that single use gives more now, so it may be confusing for someone who just reads tooltip
jagged pier
it doesnt
we have tested it already
they just the change the tooltip to show full amount
for some reason
🤷
hardy snow
yea, thats what I mean, changing just the tooltip from single use to cap amount
it can confuse some people
hardy snow
"i get 70k IP when I click button"
"Holy shit, I get 300k IP when I click button, this new patch is so cool!"
🤷♂️
its cool they want to inform about the cap
jagged pier
ye we are aware thats why we tested and checked
hardy snow
but it shouldnt be at cost of information about single use
hardy snow
they should do something like "blablabla up to 70k total damage, multiple use stacks up to 30% hp"
remote venture
So it display the max volume?
sweet summit
no fun allowed...
jagged pier
exactly erga gets it
static aspen
4p looks sick
wooden radish
Jakey did tests tho, it's 6-7PPM
Jakey BIS.
wooden radish
@jagged pier are we meeting at blizzcon
jagged pier
no
opaque quest
Wdym. You can get the newest trends on abusing woman at that con
Gotte be on the cutting edge
static aspen
im not flying to the us to go to a convention that im not interested in
Dont forget the price
violet ginkgo
Do we have a macro as a tank? as in a few skills that has to be casted at once?
blazing condor
you can macro intervene/charge together if u play with that
and ignore pain and shield slam
thats about it
jagged pier
no we dont
as goode forgot to mention
the IP SS is not a in one macro
it replaces your IP keybind
u still have a SS keybind as well
lusty grotto
good morning, i went to sleep looking for the dumb tier graphic and couldnt find it, woke up to Archi's tweet post
blazing condor
mb
warm plinth
im not flying to the us to go to a convention that im not interested in
You could fly to the US to hang out with me
lusty grotto
rogue set and shaman look sick, and i like the mage one a lot too
jagged pier
You could fly to the US to hang out with me
the money and the being outside
in the sun
unfortunatly
violet ginkgo
I mean sometimes it's kind of double edged sword with transmog, at one we are free to choose how we look, however sometimes that gives dev lazy time to design armor because "If you guys don't like it just transmog it into something else"
lusty grotto
im just complaining to complain, i always use my chef xmog anyway
lusty grotto
its def the sleeves
kinda looks good if it wasnt for them i feel
well the colors clashing also kinda fuck it over
violet ginkgo
for me I think they could just do better on the helmet part and it'll be OK.
lusty grotto
i actually like the helmet
hardy snow
I like that concept of metal heated to red, but those gloves, and color mix of lower parts in mythic tmog looks awful
violet ginkgo
The current helmet from aberus is nice at least for my taste with the dragon design.
sick sentinel
https://twitter.com/Archimtiros/status/1699910961006526746 meh
wtf is this clown armor
💀 😢
could be worse, monks tend to have the worst looking sets by far
lusty grotto
i like it
sick sentinel
my feelings on it are also slightly because i saw that as the comment about them in the wowhead comments before really seeing it
sick sentinel
so, i took the "true!" approach to it a bit
lusty grotto
mage is def my favorite
sick sentinel
hunter looks a bit dumb too, but that could just be vulpera
lusty grotto
hunter looks terrible
sick sentinel
or its not vulpera, but its furry dog race, worgen
lusty grotto
dk, dh, warlock and priest look great
sick sentinel
as always lmao
lusty grotto
paladin is okay, but not particularly great
lusty grotto
shaman looks good
sick sentinel
mage has got some dunked on sets before
lusty grotto
i think hunter is the worst one ngl
sick sentinel
the main problem with hunter is something asmongold said in the past
"It's like they put 90% of the time into making the helmet and shoulders and then just phoned in th rest of the set" (not verbatim what was said, but captures essence of it)
lusty grotto
i dont think thats the case
shoulders look okay, they would look better if it wasnt a worgen
sick sentinel
the shoulders is easily best part of the hunter set for me
lusty grotto
but the rest look like leveling armor
sick sentinel
but warlock is such a fuckin ez motiff to draw
general evil caster dude in a dark robe infused with dark powers
sick sentinel
paladin is probably most underrated least talked about set here
sick sentinel
its not amazing, but its damn fine job by whoever did it clearly understood the mission
sick sentinel
i personally think paladin one looks amazing
the colors are right parts of it are derpy sure, but lots of the other sets are too
the weak part is the legs don't match super well with the rest, matches the arms and fingers
rustic knot
The ignore pain change, is that a good change or bad? Someone mentioned it going from scaling with attack power to health or something. Isn't that how it used to work
jagged pier
The ignore pain change, is that a good change or bad? Someone mentioned it going...
Its literally a change to the tooltio
Does nothing
rustic knot
Fuck me they lied. Bastards, so ignore pain is still sad, got it
jagged pier
Well unless its bugged on ptr yes
jagged pier
I mean if it was what it says it was get nerfed instantly anyway
rustic knot
A girl can dream 😭
sick sentinel
i still like my idea of "hard core, but you can rez like twice a week, and then you are dead till tuesday, and only way you perma die is if you go into a raid boss fight vs dragon that eats you alive as mechanic"
and its like clearly stated upon entering the boss room there is a chance of permanent death there, leave now if you are scared type thing.
jagged pier
So u want normal classic because basically how it would be treated
sick sentinel
not really no i just dont like turbo actual hard core game modes
never have in any game
urban portal
Average yogi take
sick sentinel
playing for 17 hrs and then you took 2 points of dmg too much and then you have to start all over again, took, 8 2 hour gameplay sessions to get to that point
NOPE, im out im done
jagged pier
Thats the point of hardcoard tho
Its not interesting if u can rez on reset every week
sick sentinel
well, if you died on tuesday night on way to raid, or on first boss say
sick sentinel
and then now you cant play for 6 and a half days.....
but you can still come back eventually
hardy snow
You can just play normal classic and after you die logout and dont come back till weekly reset 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
already played real vanilla in 2004
why would i need to do that again, thats what classic is really,
lusty grotto
main wasp
i hate the shoulders
oh i didn't scroll down the messages
sorry
was talking about pal set
opaque quest
why would i need to do that again, thats what classic is really,
No. Classic is vanilla without rose tinted glasses so its worse
strong forum
Based
sick sentinel
vanilla was worse
you had to fly to each individual connected flight path
and if you didnt know the connecting one, you had to walk and find it
launch paladins, need i say any more?
profession choices for being a rogue, thats about the only thing worse that i can think of
need herb to pick flowers to make poisions, probably want LW which wants skinning, engineer is also good to but wants mining
hardy snow
game from 2004 isnt that good as game from 2023, thats it 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
i really really really appreciate and see what the game developers wer going for in 2004 wow
but it clearly didnt pan out the way they wanted it to
lusty tiger
So true
tawny meteor
with the 10.2 tier are we looking like we going to be taking talents like uproar and bloodborne, cos the amount of Thunder claps am getting for free with the new tier on the ptr is mad
opaque quest
No tuning done yet. We will see
strong forum
I've got a few build ideas
But you won't play bloodborne or uproar in push keys
But im sitting in the sun rn so I'm not cooking up builds just yet
In a few hours
For push keys you'll play thunderlord +s1 build
tawny meteor
hmm was just thinking about it thats all on the ptr when hitting things
tawny meteor
was just that 10% bleed dmg
opaque quest
Knowing blizz 10% bleed dmg wont even buff the remaining dmg being soaked up
Cause indie dev
strong forum
Also don't overestimate how much dmg BB provides
It's only potentially useful because of 2pc
If you wanna napkin math it
Just hit the dummies for a while
And combime how much % 2pc + your 3 bleeds are doing
Then add 10% of said %
So if they do like 20% of your dmg, then 1x BB is a 2% dmg gain
tawny meteor
then would if be better to drop Bloodsurge cos you are not going to need the rage gen cos of how much your thunder clap is reseting?
strong forum
For weekly keys you play s1 build+ uproar +2bb, no bloodsurge
Literally what I said here
strong forum
Dont think that's worth
You're losing 7-12% rage gen
To gain maybe 2 or 3% dmg
Bloodsurge is quite big defensive value in large pulls
And offensive aswell
Cuz it'll fuel you with more tierset procs
strong forum
Like, bloodsurge is the best point to drop, but it's not worse than BB in a push environment
Opportunity cost
Also get ready to use 2pc+2pc for raid
🙂
tawny meteor
and you're going to want the point from Battering Ram to going into Spell Block when its needed
strong forum
No
Spellblock is always picked
Next season
Almost always except maybe atal
Battering ram stays
tawny meteor
i havent looked at the dungeon spells yet
strong forum
Spellblock stays
waxen frigate
As a 3.8k io prot warrior I can firmly say prot warrior is bis in all content, everyone should ask for brew to be buffed as a result
lusty grotto
wb nish
strong forum
lusty grotto
were you on vacation?
sick sentinel
like i said last night though, its just a good thing theres not some FPS online game i found that i enjoy alot atm
if there was some good bf game i'd be playin that again probably replacement for wow
waxen frigate
were you on vacation?
I was here yesterday wth
tawny meteor
yes i just rememeber not going to need bolster next season
lusty grotto
oh didnt notice
jagged pier
U will in raid 
waxen frigate
.
lusty grotto
im sowwy
strong forum
Raid talents will be almost the same as now
sick sentinel
next season we are going to be getting ground pounded by throne trash
tawny meteor
yes but raid is raiding
sick sentinel
sounds fun!
tawny meteor
dont think about it
lusty grotto
slam
jagged pier
Youll want to the new wep and trinkets seen pretty string
tawny meteor
yes all ways do the raid
but just there to get hit in the face
and move the boss and pick up any feck up the dmg make 😛
lusty grotto
because it feels like it comes from someone that will absolutely fucking fail the rashok combo
and shit it happened a lot this week
tawny meteor
nope
lusty grotto
dumbasses listening to taunt warnings on DBM/bigwigs on Zskarn
jagged pier
Theres nothing to do in raid but parse
lusty grotto
etc etc
tawny meteor
i just all way parse thing bad when i have to type
i havnt even looked at my parse in raid
all i look at is am alive and can i do anything to help the raid and help the healers
and how can i or where can i put the boss in better place if tac isnt working
jagged pier
Smh
strong forum
Well yeah that's your job