It’s not fairly standard when you are stuck aotc 4 months in
#protection
urban portal
strong forum
eeeh
urban portal
You should be max ilevel from doing dungeon gear alone
urban portal
When I think aotc guilds I think they have aotc on farm 2-3 months in and then maybe walk in for first vault mythic
tropic gorge
We have a lot of players afraid of m+
And some openly express they outright refuse to go over +10 or near 15
strong forum
My guild is a fairly standard heroic guild.
urban portal
If you are serious
Just bench everyone except 10
Clear aotc
And let the others join later
strong forum
if you desperately want aotc, only go with your absolutely best players yea
2/2/7 or smth
tropic gorge
If it was up to me, I'd push for that. But it ain't, so I show up. Get beat on. And go again next time
I just work there, lmao
2/3/9 is my favorite. 2/4/12 is my secondary preferred raid size
I personally prefer smaller groups
tropic gorge
But like other guilds similar to mine, we don't exactly "try hard". If you wanna play, you're welcome to join if you meet the min ilvl for the content
strong forum
Getting 3 dps per healer is just an arbitrary thing people made up
urban portal
That sounds like a waste of time
tropic gorge
We end up with more dps players thst aren't able to do equal or greater damage than what they add to the bosses
urban portal
Suffering 6-9 hours of your life to wipe on outdated content
tropic gorge
And we lack enough heavy hitters to carry the left over balance
strong forum
We end up with more dps players thst aren't able to do equal or greater damage t...
yeah thats trolling
tropic gorge
My raid leader also prefers to run healer heavy. I personally feel that kinda gimps us but it ain't my call to make
torpid fiber
Find a different guild my guy. That sounds miserable
strong forum
p1 and p2 are a joke
and p3 is just "dont be in front of boss and do bombs + avoid swirlies"
hard assign 2 dps who ALWAYS do bombs and tell people to pay REAL close attention to where theyre standing
and the boss just dies
tropic gorge
We have had a few good pushes into p3. We usually lose to attrition before hitting p3. Or we got p3 but to many are dead to finish. It's a vicious cycle
strong forum
there is no hard dps check
you lose people in p1 and p2?
probably because people arent clearing their debuffs in p1 properly/ use defensives in p1
and p2...?
p2 is just nuke adds
urban portal
What attrition is there to lose to
torpid fiber
Clearly another healer will take care of it
strong forum
my guess is
torpid fiber
There are healers other than hpal?
strong forum
people arent clearing oblivion stacks
cuz they just... dont know or pay attention
so they sit at 7 stacks or smth
and just bleed out
urban portal
The attrition against brain cells
How many weeks has this been
I’m assuming it’s been months
torpid fiber
I’m winning the war of attrition against my brain cells. Few more drinks and I’ll turn the tide
strong forum
soon none are left!
torpid fiber
south zealot
you lose people in p1 and p2?
if your healers arent good or your players get hit too much p1 is very hard
so a lot of guilds can/will struggle with p1
violet flume
finally, full 447.. except for a trinket
as good as its gonna get i think
speed tiertiary as cherry on cake on tier chest too
mellow bridge
lusty tiger
the trick for poop guilds on sark is you have your best healer run one bomb every time they drop (preferably your rdruid)
it makes it so free
also a sneaky secret is that it is extremely easy on 10man mode
charred ivy
theres no limit when we wanna stop stack haste?
lusty tiger
theres no limit when we wanna stop stack haste?
7200 haste rating iirc
charred ivy
without fray?
static aspen
lusty tiger
hah my bad 7100
sick sentinel
We got giga fucking lightning here
sick sentinel
lightning phase is over for now
waxen frigate
is it one takes adds and one takes boss?
Depends on tank comp
and/or amount of paladins in raid
I’ve only heard of BDKs soloing boss
While other tank does adds
I’ve always done BoP swapping
modern gazelle
Yeah seems to be the case just wasnt sure how p3 worked since they mentioned doing bop rotation but wasnt sure if it was needed or not
waxen frigate
I’m not familiar with any strats besides BDK solo boss and bop rotation
What’s your cotank assuming you’re warrior
modern gazelle
they are saying one tank have boss and one have adds, but doing it so that its me hit #1 with bop, then war/pally dps #2 then me with bop #3
modern gazelle
think because they can bop themselves or war can use die by the sword
other tank will be brew
modern gazelle
so are you bop #1, 2nd tank #2 with cd/bop, and you bop #3?
modern gazelle
and when other tank is hit you just aoe taunt all the adds?
waxen frigate
Aoe taunt not necessarily but just gather them yea
I’ve done the fight as brew only tbh
modern gazelle
how are you avoiding taking agro on adds when you get hit since all our abilities are aoe
waxen frigate
So idk if there’s specifically any warr tricks
waxen frigate
how are you avoiding taking agro on adds when you get hit since all our abilitie...
You have no aggro while booped
So
Basically
Bop gets cast
modern gazelle
oh right
modern gazelle
whats the timing and how do i do the bop properly to not lose agro
waxen frigate
Other tank taunts then you (as the person clearing your bop off) gets adds
Literally any time after the cast starts
modern gazelle
is it taunt right before bop then bop cancel macro after hit?
waxen frigate
There’s no need to taunt you should already have aggro
modern gazelle
thought bop cleared agro though?
waxen frigate
You’re just tanking it until he casts on you, getting the bop mid-cast, and he will finish casting on you and do nothing
It does but once he starts the cast it’s locked in
modern gazelle
oh makes sense
modern gazelle
ah okay thanks
supple path
This conversation reminded me that I need to make challenging shout + BoP part of my life once my Hpal friend starts playing again.
sick sentinel
meh, honestly
let hpal cast it on themselves or the dps
not healthy experience for dps to be having mobs tanked and then all of a studden everything isnt tanked, it takes all of you gathered threat away so you have to taunt and hit buttons just to build up threat again
warm plinth
It doesn't take your gathered threat away. If you cancel it, the mobs will hit you again.
sick sentinel
you sure? well, wait
how does "the aggro dump" work then
cuz, last i check, when you get bop, the mobs run away and attack other players (assuming you don't have a taunt or attacks going (bleeds maybe)
the rule i was Lalways taught is you don't bop the tank cuz that happens
strong forum
you cant reset threat
bop just temporarily reduces your threat to 0
if you cancle bop or let it run out, youll be back to your old threat table
same thing with bubble
sick sentinel
i always thought the way it worked was that it just drops the active threat number you have to 0 and then you can attack and taunt to get that threat back
strong forum
nah
supple path
Yeah, just temporarily suppresses it unless overridden by something like taunt.
sick sentinel
regardless, i don't want paladin bopping me in keys, unless for necrotic
strong forum
cancelaura macro ftw
sick sentinel
and even then, necrotic not so hard depending
supple path
I noticed challenging shout's a 6s duration taunt during that conversation is what prompted the thought.
strong forum
its basically mandatory
sick sentinel
the macro i had put a message in /s /p
explaining something about bop
oh yeah, "necrotic stacks too high, have to kite soon, might need paladin bop"
i just think its a very reckless thing in general to do put bop on tank, (any tank)
median tulip
Necrotic 🤮
strong forum
necrotic was never fun
sick sentinel
no way man, necrotic is low key giga chad affix once you learn how you are MEANT to tank it
median tulip
Everyone hated Necrotic. Tanks because kiting is never fun, and everyone else because Necrotic weeks had a huge shortage of tanks
strong forum
"ah yes i now, by no fault of anyone, have to piss off for a bit or i die"
final mist
necrotic was never fun
Preach
sick sentinel
necrotic was fun because its not just sand there any attack boss
strong forum
"ah my dps players didnt instantly blow up the pack, guess i kite for a bit"
final mist
necrotic was fun because its not just sand there any attack boss
Silence
sick sentinel
i mean................
sick sentinel
it makes you meke a meaningful and informed choice fast
strong forum
dw, just doing higher keys does that on its own
adding this arbitrary fuck you
doesnt make it fun
final mist
Things like the soul spam thing in the BFA season was fun
median tulip
You could see how much fun necrotic was by how many fewer keys got done
strong forum
definitely one of the takes of all time
sick sentinel
necrotic is only not fun when you instantly get 42 stacks
supple path
Hey, skittish was fun. There's a part of my soul that only experiences joy when DPS die.
sick sentinel
imagine necrotic VP
median tulip
Possibly unpopular opinion: I liked seasonal affixes. What I dislike is the Tyrannical/Fortified cycle
sick sentinel
with that pack with 2 guys that get doubl attack speed
strong forum
youd just not play
final mist
Necrotic was never fun because I play tank to tank, I don't play tank to run in, hit TC, and then run away for 12 seconds to just repeat
sick sentinel
and then you got them bastards applying necro twice as fast
strong forum
seasonal affixes were okay, if the affix was okay
final mist
If I wanted that gameplay, I'd play a DK
supple path
I mean in practice you just got super reliant on MD/tricks.
supple path
I actually do like affixes which change the ideal comp each week, but it's not like they implemented it well.
strong forum
arbitrary ruling
strong forum
I actually do like affixes which change the ideal comp each week, but it's not l...
except that rogue was ideal for m+ for every single season ever
except for the current one
median tulip
I was Arms in the days of Skittish Teeming. That combo was just "Press DBTS"
supple path
Yeah, exactly the problem.
sick sentinel
my thing about current exodia and launch exodia rn
is that because its the first time, its okay that its only 1 exodia for now
but its a huge milestone for wow
median tulip
I actually do like affixes which change the ideal comp each week, but it's not l...
I don't, because they can end up like Bursting: "Bring a Priest"
strong forum
its called exodia because its a min-maxed comp which compliments each other insanely well
final mist
It wouldn't have to be a milestone if blizzard could balance or tuned on a weekly basis with all the feedback and numbers they have access to
strong forum
prior m+ seasons
youd just bring individual strong specs
but this comp specifically compliments each other
supple path
I don't, because they can end up like Bursting: "Bring a Priest"
Which is already in the ideal comp, so yeah, classic case of it being bad. But if a mechanic hypothetically favored hunters or warlocks or whatnot one week I'd not mind.
sick sentinel
i still disagree with the term exodia besides that it takes "all 5 special cards" to summon it
strong forum
its the "have all 5 pieces and you win" part
which is literally
what this comp was/is
final mist
Which is already in the ideal comp, so yeah, classic case of it being bad. But i...
Mechanics like this fucking suck when you don't play those specs and have no say on those weeks
median tulip
Synergie effecten
sick sentinel
my egripe with the naming it exodia as stated earlier today is that its not a true exodia
strong forum
by playing this comp on an alright level, youd instantly add like 2-4 keylevels to your previous max
final mist
There's several mechanics warriors can do fuckall about and it fuckin' sucks
sick sentinel
exodia wins no matter what instantly as soon as conditions are met its like a nuclear bomb
NOTHING stops it
final mist
I can't tell you how many times I've looked at those stupid fuckin' ghosts and had to watch the cast go off knowing there's absolutely nothing I can do about it
Hate that kinda shit
median tulip
Only of 5 tanks can help with that
final mist
Mechanics aren't fun when you have no way of interacting with them in a positive manner
strong forum
or was it afflicted we can destroy one
sick sentinel
exodia don't give a fuck really, he just show up and "imma firin my laser"
median tulip
Actually idk if bear can without form shifting
supple path
Afflicted is just a bad mechanic since it's such a binary of "trivially deal with it" vs "do nothing"
strong forum
Actually idk if bear can without form shifting
pretty sure they can dispel without leaving form
warm plinth
Yes, bears can dispel w/o leaving form
median tulip
No clue, I bounced off bear
strong forum
or healer and dps, depending on situational need
sick sentinel
how much dps is on average
strong forum
depends entirely on you
and the pull
but % wise
this potion is ~6-7% dps gain for its duration
median tulip
My usual static, Afflicted is just the Shaman's problem
sick sentinel
sims said i would lose 2.5k for making verssa alch stone and 3.2k dps for crafting haste one
and i didnt know if the pots were worth ~6% or so
i'd need the potions to be worth ~750 dps basically :S
strong forum
the alch stones just arent that good
they also count as an embellishment iirc
theyre not a free trinket
median tulip
I don't think they do
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Trinkets don't count as an embellishment
strong forum
okay
sick sentinel
i don't think so, but it does have a (1)
warm plinth
It literally says "alchemist stone"
warm plinth
You can only have one alc stone trinket.
strong forum
still sucky trinkets
sick sentinel
sure, but i'll be 447
i just want my ilvl to show as 447 and not have worlds worst trinket, may as well
median tulip
Darkmoon Decks, Alchemist Stones and Jewelcraft Idols each have their own category
sick sentinel
not 447 ones tho
sick sentinel
true, i'll just show as 447 ilvl when applying to groups now
strong forum
yeah nobody rly cares about that
median tulip
To be fair, I crafted a 447 Idol purely for the exercise of having a 447 trinket in that slot
pallid quiver
0
strong forum
if its not 449 then nobody cares
grand veldt
I mean haste is damage
pallid quiver
damn i dropped my phone on my keyboard before shitposting
grand veldt
Vers is damage and damage reduction
pallid quiver
but nome, muh stats
strong forum
its still a bad trinket sannikov
grand veldt
Yeah its bad
strong forum
compared to any raid trinket
warm plinth
I use an idol of the dreamer on my druid
strong forum
and a few m+ trinkets
sick sentinel
believe me if there was a heart of thunder or talisman isntead of that rokmoras i would have taken one of those not rokmora's
median tulip
It's not like I have anything else to do with either Sparks or Aspect crests at this point in the season
warm plinth
bc I was stuck w/ a 424 magmammoth scale for literal months
pallid quiver
"Stats Don't Matter"
that's the perfect name to come in with after my shitpost, ghash
warm plinth
grand veldt
If you're playing warrior you're using the cheat death trinket plus either beacon or an absorb
warm plinth
wat
grand veldt
I personally don't play prot during fortify
median tulip
If you're playing warrior you're using the cheat death trinket plus either beaco...
Wat
chilly brook
Wut
chilly brook
I uhhh
grand veldt
This is in reference to tanking mythic plus
chilly brook
I’m not sure what I’m reading
warm plinth
How dare you sully the name of prot warrior by suggesting we would use FILTHY DEFENSIVE TRINKETS.
chilly brook
This is in reference to tanking mythic plus
Yeah obviously
Cheat death trinket is silly
sick sentinel
well, which alch stone then
grand veldt
Lol I mean I only have multiple 99% logs for almost every dungeon this season
sick sentinel
cuz like, i mean, i can craft inferno.....
strong forum
whatever you like
grand veldt
So I must be clueless
warm plinth
Ah yes, key parses
jagged pier
m+ logs
sick sentinel
or better yet DMD dance
jagged pier
median tulip
The JC Haste Idol is actually low key good, but it has the huge problem that it only gets good once you are late in the season and can afford to take currency for sockets from the vault
lusty grotto
Lol I mean I only have multiple 99% logs for almost every dungeon this season
that doesnt mean anything, those are taken from the leaderboard
chilly brook
So I must be clueless
You already said all you needed to
grand veldt
You can check my raider IO as well
warm plinth
The JC Haste Idol is actually low key good, but it has the huge problem that it ...
Yeah the uptime surprised me tbh
grand veldt
And no it takes leaderboards plus logs
warm plinth
You can be good and still be clueless
lusty grotto
well feel free to link us a log
pallid quiver
i mean you could also check the io of the people saying things to you in here, too, on that argument
sick sentinel
i just want to be ilvl 447 ratge king
lavish sphinx
What’s the issue with key parses?
chilly brook
This is the quintessential appeal to authority
warm plinth
Key rankings are not issues in the same way that other parses are.
grand veldt
i mean you could also check the io of the people saying things to you in here, t...
I'd be very interested in that
warm plinth
issued*
median tulip
The Darkmoon Decks and the Alchemist Stones are decent "I've just hit 70 on my alt and I have more gold than patience" gear
strong forum
key parses are just compared to what kind of keylevel difficulty you did
warm plinth
And they aren't separated by item level
strong forum
not how well you performed
its just "oh youve done a keylevel higher than 99% of other prot warriors"
which really isnt an achievement
sick sentinel
no, i very much like the 441 trinkets i have
lavish sphinx
Here I thought I was getting better with each key level lol
sick sentinel
i just, i want that ilvl
strong forum
if you want to see your keylevel specific performance
grand veldt
and i dont do over 20
If you havent done higher than 20s then why would you mock using cheat death trinket?
strong forum
you check damage done in your keylevel
warm plinth
Because it's unnecessary...
chilly brook
Because it’s not needed and he didn’t say that he hasn’t just that he doesn’t
strong forum
but then youll get smth like this
median tulip
Yeah the uptime surprised me tbh
Yeah it stacks and cycles fast is you have full sockets
strong forum
because it checks all keylevels done and your compared dmg done within those keylevels
pallid quiver
Here I thought I was getting better with each key level lol
I mean, technically, if you're clearing higher keys, you're either getting to content closer to your skill level or are in fact getting better in some way, shape or form.
Not necessarily in playing your character, tho
strong forum
the only real comparison you can do
lavish sphinx
Thanks Nome
lavish sphinx
This chat about trinkets went off the rails lol
pallid quiver
it's very funny looking at that number on lower keys
jagged pier
If you havent done higher than 20s then why would you mock using cheat death tri...
because 99% in keys means nothing that what im saying
grand veldt
Yeah comparing you to other warriors who do that key at that level
strong forum
yes
warm plinth
But that's not the number you're looking at if you just go to your toon
strong forum
^
the number that shows up on your profile
is just keylevel done compared to all others
jagged pier
which is 99% if u do 20s
sick sentinel
something you have to remember about dealing with me is i am often easily fueled by vanity
strong forum
which is 99% if u do 20s
depends when
jagged pier
true
strong forum
if you do 20s early
you get 99s/100s
if you do 20s now
you only get like 95s
or so
jagged pier
must be good then as i have 99s C:
strong forum
i was slacking hard
warm plinth
must be good then as i have 99s C:
talk to me when you have 100s loser
jagged pier
yer we know that
strong forum
warm plinth
btw that 100 resto parse cracks me up because it was a +4
jagged pier
HUGE
strong forum
world first +4
jagged pier
u must know things
warm plinth
I AM A GOD
strong forum
on patch launch
jagged pier
because you have 100
grand veldt
https://i.imgur.com/PI4ZKbb.png
That is really funny that locks you in
lusty grotto
Cheat death is just a crutch, its certainly not required, but there are some situations where you want it to minimize mistakes. But this only applies to big ass keys, not anything under 26, and certainly not on smol shit pulls.
chilly brook
@grand veldt what level keys are you doing anyways
chilly brook
Yeah you don’t need cheat death
lusty grotto
It's just a wasted slot otherwise
grand veldt
Yeah you do
strong forum
generally cheat death isnt really needed
chilly brook
And you shouldn’t need to just avoid fort keys on that level
chilly brook
Yeah you do
No, no you really don’t
sick sentinel
if you do 20s early
true, so, in world of tanks console, for xbox 360, when they launched tanks, they have something similiar to the 99 100 parses and they call them mastery if you got 100% , so it was based on recent players top scores with whatever the tank was, and if you saved up your XP and coins or used real dollars to buy the new vehicle on launch an hour after it came out, you could drive it through 2 or 3 matches and then "earned" the mastery, just by geting 1 or 2 kills
grand veldt
I mean I simply disagree especially if you're pugging
strong forum
is this a copy pasta?
chilly brook
You can disagree and be wrong
lusty grotto
In what specific pull are you so afraid of dying in 23s?
sick sentinel
later on, it takes way longer to get mastery and you have to be hard carry with popular or strong vehicles
strong forum
I mean I simply disagree especially if you're pugging
you can have a different opinion, thats fine
chilly brook
Those aren’t mutually exclusive
strong forum
but in 23/24s you barely take dmg as tank
chilly brook
Press your buttons better
warm plinth
I wish I knew how Sense survived in a 29 fortified halls of infusion without a cheat death trinket.
grand veldt
What keys have you done on prot war?
chilly brook
I’m tanking 20s at 430 lol
grand veldt
Yeah sense and bobas really flexing
sick sentinel
but, its toy tanks, very very simple game
chilly brook
You don’t need cheat death at 23
strong forum
my healer didnt even heal me in my 23/24
even in ultra keys the healer barely looks at the tank
if your healer has to actively heal you alot
something is going horribly wrong
warm plinth
Anyway, memes aside, working to improve is a much better path than dying on the hill of needing a cheat death trinket.
grand veldt
Does your spec not use damage?
chilly brook
Huh
grand veldt
Like what spec are you playing that you dont need heals on prot war in 23 24s
sick sentinel
something is going horribly wrong
not only this, but it means they are probably not healing themselves dps
chilly brook
The pinned spec
sick sentinel
who are way more fragile
grand veldt
And I'd love to see those logs
chilly brook
And I press the buttons
pallid quiver
Nome's logs are all public
grand veldt
Bc I call cap on that larp
jagged pier
Nome logs everythings
pallid quiver
so you can go look at them
warm plinth
I killed a fly
slim zinc
I healed Nom in a 24 pre-nerf, so a 26 now. I say heal, I think I used like 4 actual heals on him the entire key
chilly brook
Nom streams and logs my friend
pallid quiver
Like I said before, just look at them
warm plinth
100 parse
urban portal
Nome just link a log
chilly brook
Go watch
jagged pier
I mean u can watch the man do his keys as well
sick sentinel
i log but im shit
grand veldt
I'll check it out unironically
chilly brook
Idk why everyone thinks we bullshit in this discord
slim zinc
Yh, and those wogs on you were mostly because you were the only person not on 100% hp
chilly brook
As if the people who are orange or yellow names don’t know the class or play it
jagged pier
Because we are a class discord and streamers dont like us so we are wrong @chilly brook, or we dont just agree so there for we are wrong based on someones experience
pallid quiver
god i love the fact that the healing done, from the healer's mouth, was because "well i didn't want to waste the wog, so"
chilly brook
Don’t most healers beacon themselves or something?
uneven mason
I would
strong forum
they beacon the 2 ranged dps
jagged pier
They have leech to heal themselves
strong forum
cuz they squish
slim zinc
Beacon 2 ranged
jagged pier
U put bacom on weak dps
slim zinc
Because it enables mastery
slim zinc
Your mastery is range dependent on you and your beacons, so you put them on the targets most likely to be far from you
urban portal
I see
urban portal
Tanks have come a long step away from sl
lusty grotto
i thought we were talking about bacon
warm plinth
Idk why everyone thinks we bullshit in this discord
😢
strong forum
🥓
warm plinth
ARE WE A JOKE TO THEM
pallid quiver
Bacon is better the further away it is from you, as you desire it more, making it more delicious when finally tasted
chilly brook
Your mastery is range dependent on you and your beacons, so you put them on the ...
Makes sense
warm plinth
I have to go to work but i'm gonna drop this bomb here rq
Bacon (not beacon) is overrated
strong forum
Idk why everyone thinks we bullshit in this discord
well its not always easy to accept a different pov
pallid quiver
I have to go to work but i'm gonna drop this bomb here rq
bacon actually makes me sick
lusty grotto
how dare you both
uneven mason
Get some natural cured bacon without nitrates
chilly brook
Bacon is 10/10
lusty grotto
uses IP to uncap rage
chilly brook
Unironically
pallid quiver
It's that pork generally doesn't sit well with me for whatever reason
So not just bacon proper
uneven mason
Idc if it gives me the Hershey squirts, bacon is god food
lusty grotto
pls someone get that reference
chilly brook
Turkey bacon fucks
strong forum
also just as a disclaimer.
if you think you NEED cheat death in a 23/24 how do you think people in 30-32s (who take MORE than DOUBLE the amount of dmg) survive keys
sick sentinel
i have no idea what i want to do terms of upgrade PC in like, could do entire main guts, or could do more storage
strong forum
just as food for thought
chilly brook
Good Turkey bacon I LOVE
sick sentinel
some 8 tb hdd's might be nice
strong forum
its okay to say "yeah i like cheat death"
chilly brook
Like absolutely amazing
strong forum
but its far from necessary
uneven mason
just as food for thought
Nom stop, logic and math cause them physical pain
chilly brook
Normal bacon still better but Turkey bacon just so good to break it up
urban portal
The only time you need a cheat death in a 24 is as a dps
urban portal
It’s actually crazy that I don’t even know what cheat is called this tier
lusty grotto
and not worry about getting stomach fucked
strong forum
yeah me neither
chilly brook
I just know it’s from mega
lusty grotto
well theres the cloak
and then theres the trinket from iridikron
but that's tank only
prophetic scales or something
strong forum
cloak isnt a cheat death
lusty grotto
well i guess youre right nome
urban portal
Rn the bottleneck is dps survival
strong forum
cloak is just a shitty low HP shield proc
lusty grotto
of course
chipadin also doesnt use it
because the fuck is gonna happen to a plate wearer
i just bubble 😄
uneven mason
Most shit that'll kill a tank is going to obliterate that shield
lusty grotto
indeed
lusty grotto
uneven mason
It's amazing for stopping attrition deaths in raids though
lusty grotto
strong forum
for prog its already if you really dont need the dps
but sacrificing like 2-3k dps per dps is oof if its tight
slim zinc
I would say cheats can enable otherwise impossible pulls
Splinter can enable 99% of those and also be used 4 more times before next time you would get value from cheat
Or Cragshaper 7 more times
strong forum
But back to Nom streaming
huh
uneven mason
I watch for the bloopers
lusty grotto
only one i have is faceless ire ftl
strong forum
ah
lusty grotto
but alas
slim zinc
i still dont have a treemouth or cragshaper
They don't do damgur
strong forum
that one is on yutub
uneven mason
Nah he spent the run floor spec
lusty grotto
ok that's a bit better
lusty grotto
LOL
slim zinc
Was gonna add, it was spiteful
Was so hilarious
I miss my banner
Wtb pepecopter days back
lusty grotto
ye
uneven mason
But like, nom just padded the fuck outta that run
uneven mason
Obviously to give healers an inferiority complex 
strong forum
i still chuckle at the fact
that we had the like 3rd or so fastest JY 25 in the world
chilly brook
Only time lock is worth playing is when aff is good
strong forum
based true and real
pallid quiver
I like the green fire effects of Destro
i don't actually like playing destro
Demo I refuse to acknowledge out of "BACK IN MY DAY" rage
chilly brook
True and real
pallid quiver
so 10/10 agree
uneven mason
Demo I refuse to acknowledge out of "BACK IN MY DAY" rage
Back in classic
chilly brook
Back in classic
More like back in mop
uneven mason
We only had 8 debuffs slots
chilly brook
lusty grotto
this true
pallid quiver
i saw some locks with most of their points spec'd into demo back in what little vanilla i played as a tadpole
pallid quiver
classic, tho, didn't see squat
slim zinc
that we had the like 3rd or so fastest JY 25 in the world
The fact that we were on TGP pace with 5 tanks was actually insane
uneven mason
You also saw melee hunters
Now we see melee hunters but it's not funny anymore
median tulip
What's the name of the reflectable knockback on the last boss in HoI?
pallid quiver
Y'know, aesthetically, one thing I miss is having a bow/gun at all. Gameplay wise we're infinitely better off with heroic throw, but I liked going twang to pull something for me to bonk
grand veldt
also just as a disclaimer.
if you think you NEED cheat death in a 23/24 how do ...
I mean that is def a thought I've had
Did a 22 fortify NL 2 weeks ago and I dont understand how you live that pull without an excellent use of CDs, good healer and cheat death
The first pull to the hulk and drudge's with the gnashers etc
strong forum
Practice and good team coordination
That's way more important
Than any kind of pillows
grand veldt
Most of my experience is with pugs
strong forum
That being said
grand veldt
That's why I reiterated my point earlier
strong forum
NL first pull is just our literal worst pull in the entire game
It is not hard to die there
cinder nova
What's the name of the reflectable knockback on the last boss in HoI?
Don't reflect the knockback, reflect the channel.
strong forum
^
lusty grotto
Nl first pull and chain pulls can also be prone to mistakes
strong forum
You get knocked back -> taunt+sr
lusty grotto
those are the only pulls i kinda are worried about for the most part
cinder nova
Squall is the knockback, Deluge is the SR target.
But on Tyrann you might have to throw wall if he got a good chunk of stacks
lusty grotto
and only because we're expected to chain as well
cinder nova
Because Squall claps post-submerge if you aren't careful
grand veldt
On tyrannical 23 SR did 8 mil damage with deluge
3 phases
In 27 the logs showed it did 15mil
From 3 casts
lusty grotto
boss damage scales with keys
so yea
and of course tyrannical
reflectable damage, rather
grand veldt
Yeah my point was if you can find a comp that can heal khajin you can turbo fuck that key
grand veldt
It's harder on healer with no DoC or after the wild
lusty grotto
just for reflects on emberon and wormie
grand veldt
Lol that would shred third boss of ulda too
You can spell reflect every chain lighting in VP too
lusty grotto
so its not like you can stack em
but wormie in NL and emberon in ulda you can ultra cheese it
hell even last boss in ulda since you can reflect time sink
as dps
grand veldt
Yeah 2/3 wretch every time
median tulip
Don't reflect the knockback, reflect the channel.
Thanks that was helpful
median tulip
Focused deluge
Likewise thanks
lusty grotto
You can reflect time sink?
the dot that is dispelled and/or freedom'd you can reflect it, but it never goes on tanks
i always call it time sink but now im not sure on the exact name
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Best feeling ever in ulda is getting that earthen shards reflect though
Yes S, a new era has begun
cinder nova
Oh yeah a full rack of a double or triple getting SR'd
Watching all the little green numbies rake down your screen from the WA showing how big brain you are and your big damage
That's the heroin
NOM
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THE SR WEAKAURA TRACK DAMAGE FROM DELUGE AND WORM DOT
Please.
strong forum
It's harder on healer with no DoC or after the wild
according to arty wildfire is practically just padding on that boss, not actually relevant healing
lusty grotto
and emberon
strong forum
and DoC is not even run
strong forum
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THE SR WEAKAURA TRACK DAMAGE FROM DELUGE AND WORM DOT
idk if thats even possible
cinder nova
Can't you? If it shows up on the details log it can be tracked, no?
strong forum
i can ask xeph if he can figure out how to bake it into the WA
cinder nova
Yes please I need numeric validation for SR damage
It's the only reason I bother anymore
warm plinth
I could honestly give up Dream but it's also pretty clutch sometimes
strong forum
pretty sure nobody whos pushing actually plays that
but in pugs i guess is different
cuz people dont use defensives
warm plinth
Yeah I don't push on any toons atm. Just do my weekly vault key for the most part
patiently waiting for s3
grand veldt
according to arty wildfire is practically just padding on that boss, not actuall...
Idk I hear dif opinions on it. Ellesmere says ATW is significant, dwarfgoh thinks it only heals 3 or 4 mil
Maybe my healer was gimped, but in my personal logs my ATW did 1 mil for everyone equally in my group, and normally that's rare for ATW to do equal healing
DOC is just a preference for oh shit moments, certainly not mandatory
grand veldt
cuz people dont use defensives
This is actually so painfully true
Like people think it's a meme but people constantly die with defensives up and its bewildering
warm plinth
There's a lot of bosses where I won't even get DoC procs because the boss never melees lol
cinder nova
Wait what the fuck is DOC
strong forum
Regrowth lay on hands
Dream of cenarius
Costs 2 or 3 points to path to
To get instant free regrowth that crits for like 400k+
Every now and again
strong forum
No
cinder nova
🤔
strong forum
It's guardian
cinder nova
Oh wait what the fuck
strong forum
It was hyped pre-10.1.5
But then turned out to be overhyped for pushing
Exodia has so many god damn defensives
That spending 2 or 3 talent points to get a mostly superflous lay on hands
Is not all that hot
strong forum
And there are only like 2 or 3 actual healing checks in the current dungeon pool everything else is just a "don't get 1shot" fight
sick sentinel
cuz, part of it too, right, is i capture in QHD 1440p
and i cant be assed to whatever the word for lesser resolution render it to 1080p
warm plinth
I mean I appreciate your higher resolution uploads because I want to appreciate your GIGANTIC FUCKING CURSOR more
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
its not that bad
small mouse size wouldnt matter to me if it wasnt time senstive game
cuz, if i have to do a mouse thing, and i cant find my mouse cursor GG
strong forum
Pumps' cursor is worse
sick sentinel
it was this or the lightning trail
strong forum
Pumps cursor is legit like 20% of his screen
First it was for a meme but then he kinda just stuck with it
sick sentinel
only do the giga lightning trail for cursor trail
there is like, 3 or 4 options for it, all but the giga suck
strong forum
I used to use that cursor addon in cata 
Would add like 4 trails all together
Maximum edge
sick sentinel
i did till end of SL
picked up somewhere after 8.1
before 8.1 only addon was DBM
is the guy who asked for the video NA or EU hrs
cuz its gunna be 3 hrs
south zealot
Pumps cursor is legit like 20% of his screen
doesnt stop him from being a chad gamer
which means im going to copy him now gg
warm plinth
Choco, if Pumps is that good w/ a 20% screen cursor
You have no choice but to go 30%
Because cursor size directly correlates with skill, obviously
south zealot
real
sick sentinel
cant see nothin at 240p
warm plinth
im a grower not a shower
lusty grotto
stray canopy
sick sentinel
is it sanguine week again
warm plinth
yes
sick sentinel
well
cinder storm
Sanguine is a dps affix
sick sentinel
i want entirely new affixes designed by game devs in secret
lavish sphinx
What's your ideal affix Yogi?
cinder nova
Is there a trick to making sure the blossoms in P2 of M Sark are stacked?
I know they target melee, but how are they "aimed".
lusty grotto
i just realized something
ellesmere was talking about how OCE works only in OCE groups but....
its def giving me the stats outside of an OCE group
in raid i mean
im kind of confused why he said that
i havent been using it unless i hop in as arms
so i was gaslightning myself
proper roost
what is the context he was talking in? it works fine
it just is weaker without ally buffs
even so, as fury and hpal, oce just good enough with 0 ally buffs
lusty grotto
he meant ally buffs dont apply if youre not in the oce group
and he compared it to icon
and i was like "uhhh..."
completely forgot about it until tonight cause im doing arms atm
in a raid setting
primal crypt
why my threat so dogshit 😦
primal crypt
hey hey ❤️
cinder nova
Please god tell me there's a trick to blossom QQ
sick sentinel
jagged gust
knocked out any 20s yet my guy?
sick sentinel
Nah, doubt I ever will besides easy keys
austere lava
What's the link. Wanna watch
Wow
Nvm. Literally 2 posts before
What I get for reading 3 hours behind
jagged gust
19s on the cusp tho but I feel that, I'd rather do a 20 nl than a 16 ur
sick sentinel
I'm not a very good player and my ui sucks
That's main things you'll notice across videos now past and probably future
jagged gust
Pretty much everyone's ui sucks, most people just get so used to their own they can't see it for themselves, as long as it works for you
proper roost
whoa yogi did a 19 let's gooo
jagged gust
yogi let me see your transmog list, I see a couple things i'd like to incorporate into my Forest green set
cinder nova
Fuck it I'm pinging the big man himself
@shut summit Hey, I'm watching your M Sark POV, how are you getting your blossoms so tightly stacked? It's eating up a lot of space for us.
lusty grotto
warm plinth
lavish sphinx
No one has answered S's question yet lol
proper roost
well
the population of people who have killed M Sark is not high
and then if you narrow down to pwar it's even smaller
and then if you narrow it down to how sense specifically does it you're probably talking like 10 people ever who have watched that video, play pwar, and can confidently answer
shut summit
Fuck it I'm pinging the big man himself
<@105027920459776000> Hey, I'm watching...
i marked a melee and told him to call for melee to stack when it was time to bait
restive crown
since race change is on discount, will there be any race that will be significant improvement from a worgen? (for m+, aiming to do 26s)
cinder nova
i marked a melee and told him to call for melee to stack when it was time to bai...
That's it? Nothing fancy on facing, positioning, etc.?
Just everyone stacked tight?
warm plinth
since race change is on discount, will there be any race that will be significan...
Pretty much everything is an improvement from worgen. That being said, your race is not going to hold you back from doing 26s.
restive crown
Pretty much everything is an improvement from worgen. That being said, your rac...
haha ya i know it wont prevent me from doing 26s, just wonder how much easier it would be if i do a race change
warm plinth
The only one that would have a meaningful difference is probably dwarf/did for the bleed cleanse
restive crown
so looks like it's a go
warm plinth
That last part was purely opinion, tbf
restive crown
dwarf racial can also remove things like piercing shard in NL i am guessing?
warm plinth
No, it cannot remove piercing shards in NL
Piercing Shards is a magic DoT, not a bleed
lusty grotto
yea it cant remove piercing shards
non-dispellable magic dots are "usually" not dwarfable
lusty grotto
anything thats non dispellable has to be categorized as a bleed for stoneskin to work
for the most part, cause you know how blizzard is lol
urban portal
If you hover over it says bleed or whatever
warm plinth
And then you have the fun weird ones like Earthen Shards that is a bleed that can both be removed by Dwarf racial AND be spell reflected.
warm plinth
eh?
warm plinth
Other than bleeds, it only removes things that are dispellable by normal means.
lusty grotto
non-dispellable magic dots are "usually" not dwarfable
bro?
i feel like 40/40 is scrolled way up or something
urban portal
I prob was
lavish sphinx
Oh I've just been hitting stoneform for no reason on that mob then lol
high aspen
is taunt on neltharion bugged btw
not specifically a protection question just a tank question
about 105 in the dh taunts, then i the fury warrior taunts and the boss ignores both of us
caused us to wipe this pull because taunt just stopped working, checked casts of taunts on monk and he basically didnt cast it???
confused me.
lusty grotto
i cant look at the log but
ionic fern
lusty grotto
taunt has DR
ionic fern
lusty grotto
aka diminishing returns
ionic fern
Those are your taunt casts.
lusty grotto
as in, after a couple of casts the boss becomes immune to it
ionic fern
That's your issue.
lusty grotto
yeah kinda seems like it
this is not something new, it has existed in WoW since forever
taunts
ionic fern
TO make it more clear
Taunt has a 15s DR window.
So...your monk Taunted at 51, your DH taunted at 04 (still within that 15s window which cause dit to DR), then you and the DH taunted 3 times DR'ing it even further, into immune.
I honestly don't understand these taunts.
lusty grotto
oof
ionic fern
Why is your DH taunting 2 times in the beginning?
Why is your monk taunting which seems to be on CD?
ionic fern
Why are you as a DPS warrior taunting?
ionic fern
It's 1m into the fight.
lusty grotto
oh lmao
ionic fern
1m in and they have a bazillion taunts
lusty grotto
hopefully he answers cause now im curious
mighty valley
guessing the fury warrior taunts are everyone panicking after the DH taunt doesn't pull off the monk
because the monk has spam taunted for zero reason
ionic fern
This is the same fight with me and my co-tank in 1m.
3 taunts.
...
Gogogo, don't leave us hanging @high aspen
lusty grotto
proper roost
lusty grotto
the suspense
ionic fern
Sounds like that co-tank that kept pulling aggro and then blaming the other tank of being bad.
Only for logs to show that they were spamming taunt as part of their rotation.
lusty grotto
could be some meme taunting
mighty valley
what's meme taunting
mighty valley
the classic "they're calling me bad because i caused the wipe, but actually i was doing le epic meme"
high aspen
Gogogo, don't leave us hanging <@232249410103279616>
oh what
i saw the boss wasnt moving so i decided to taunt myself
i thought tanks turned off brains, so i would do it
boss was justt standing still didnt know taunt had a dr
not blaming anyone at all, nobody got blamed at all, we thought it was a bug
yeah asked our tank and he said that was definetly it, was just weird because it has NEVER happened to us
i gave u answers pls respond 😦
lusty grotto
we gave you answers already
Taunt has a DR
youre mashing it
so you hit the DR
it makes him immune to it
dont fuck with taunts
thats it
feel free to scroll up to see Mwahi's breakdown
high aspen
our monk doesnt play monk often, hes had to switch because we have been fucked by some dps players and forces our tanks to swap, so he isnt really good with the dmg rotation, our dh its quite litterally his best tank spec, so you see a big difference in damage and threat gen
dh is pulling off our monk alot
so hes having to taunt more
lusty grotto
taunt is not a replacement for that
he either gets good or youre gonna have DR problems
lusty grotto
misdirect/tricks could also help
warm plinth
:yikes:
ionic fern
That's not enough to pull aggro.
warm plinth
Maybe he's just panicking for some reason
lusty grotto
whoever crits, gets the boss
high aspen
they both pop it on rip though
lusty grotto
but thats still no reason to mash taunt
warm plinth
Monk had literally no reason to taunt that many times XD
high aspen
thats the first time its happened all tier between these two
maybe a one off thing
actually probably the first time ever, its been like all of shadowlands and dragonflight
warm plinth
Probably not worth worrying about beyond mentioning it to him
if it's only happened once
high aspen
dh is telling me that he is constantly pulling threat
monk isnt his comfort pick though so
hes usually on dk and he pumps on dk i think
urban portal
I think it’s hekili time
warm plinth
The DH is pulling threat off the monk, or vice versa?
high aspen
dh pulling threat from monk