Crafted upgrades?
#protection
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
just to see where i could improve a bit
dusky canopy
Right right ^
lusty grotto
everything you mean?
south zealot
yes
lusty grotto
yea
crude notch
I think that's the most common reasoning for why you get DPS doing tank damage. They hold their CDs for "the right time" and then find out they missed 4+ casts throughout a dungeon.
warm plinth
yep. Any time I play a new spec, I send on CD until I figure out where I need to hold for a short time
lusty grotto
mostly what i mentioned about dmg windows
south zealot
does more damage
proper roost
Avatar wasted? not a big deal, not a huge cd for fury
reck wasted? nbd 30s effective cd
warm plinth
Yeah fury CDs are basically never wasted because they come back so fast
lusty grotto
i think im good with heroic shit
lusty grotto
you cant pick bosses with droptimizer for raids right?
proper roost
me just wanting nimchip to be happy 
dusky canopy
Arms owns
lusty grotto
me happy dont worry 😄
proper roost
you cant pick bosses with droptimizer for raids right?
I mean if you wanted to target items, you just use gear compare sets
lusty grotto
on average i only do first 3, is why im asking
proper roost
apologies if miss context slightly drunk
would prob just run some gear compare sets but idk what ur goalnis
proper roost
like isnt the only actual upgrade from first 3 for you anvil
regardless of char
Maybe assault neck andor legs
But REALLY minor shift into crit
lusty grotto
none of the 3 have a chest right?
proper roost
Na its super fucky for plate dps
Last two bosses have the only good loot
Minus trinkets
and Experiments is the first big hurdle
so I cant see any pug reliably killing it
If you did tho itd be huge since mythic oce would permanently be in your loot list
lusty grotto
we did really good on a group im with 2 weeks ago
almost had 2nd boss down but then it spiraled
proper roost
ya the 2nd transition is the hard part of the fight
everything else before that is foreplay
Once last boss is solo basically free, just have to have dps not lose braincells and just keep switching to adds
proper roost
yea its an aids boss cuz it basically mandates 2-3 priest
lusty grotto
fucking priests
crude notch
GIVE HUNTERS ANOTHER DEFENSIVE OR SOMETHING FFS BLIZZARD OMG
proper roost
that existed in sl, it was really annoying
lusty grotto
defensives obviously really needed
crude notch
Even if Hunter did a billion damage rn they wouldn't be taken because they can't live shit.
lusty grotto
you know i was thinking about the aug thing
and the obvious solution, making sure some of these dont stack with augies, is to buff group buffs
and give some of them to classes like hunters
lusty grotto
yea they need to make sure it doesnt stack with them somehow
proper roost
the mainstat is worth more
idk i mean
its a big confluence of a survival season thats not super dps focused
a dps focused s3 would actually push augs into situational tier
as it is rn
it would also ruin key healing but whatever lol
proper roost
not necessarily
surv had much the same survivability it does now
and sl s3/4 happened
so
Not necessarily
proper roost
like I said itd ruin healing tho since sl m+ is big ol "carry healers who cant heal, as long as they can dps good" seasons
proper roost
just cds mostly from what I understand but i played sv hunter so idk lmao
rsham just press earth ele and dumb set bonus carried
lusty grotto
kinda seems tricky
and i guess it kind of depends on the dungeon pool as well, and their balnacing
proper roost
I mean that one healer yt guy had a good point
as long as theyre balancing raids and m+ same
cuz theyre both pve
itll fuck up
crude notch
yep
proper roost
they split pvp for that reason
It'd be fucky but that is how it is
ppl HATE raid healing rn
and its super fucked healers are way too strong in raid
but simultaneously theyre too weak for a lot of people in keys
crude notch
Raid healing is like 50+% overheal rn ye?
proper roost
Ye and like 3 healing sark is the normal strat
crude notch
yep
proper roost
for the highest hps check
in the entire raid
Its insanity
Can even 2 heal
Its a fascinating problem tbh because high end m+ healers love it
but low end and healer participation is a nightmare
crude notch
That's like Bear is really hard to make the meta raid tank, but if you do make it the meta raid tank, it's just too stupid OP for m+
And if it's "ok" for M+ then that generally means it's beans for raid.
proper roost
Anyway I made a quick homemade tomato sauce and it bangs
crude notch
Which is fun to like 1% of Bear players, but anyone that plays wrong at all is fucked
lusty grotto
is separate balancing really the only answer though
crude notch
Is disc secretly the best healer for keys, right now?
proper roost
def no but its like the easiest way
crude notch
and by secretly I mean not a secret at all
proper roost
its def not the players job to figure out the solution
lusty grotto
heh yea
proper roost
I think its a mtg dev who said this but theres a good game dev quote
Players are amazing at finding the problem
and dogshit at finding a solution
ok not in those words
crude notch
but it's right lol
lusty grotto
hes right
crude notch
That's like whenever someone asks what PWar needs.
proper roost
but ye like abilities changing between pve and pvp is a nightmare for example cuz suddenly the ability you prio as dps just changed
however i think a main reason jak (i think it was jak who made this video) argued it is because healers ALREADY change spell selection massively between keys and raid
Just kinda makes sense since ur going from healing 5 to 20 yknow
Like hpal my spell selection completely changes
south zealot
if ppl just invited me to the group no depletes would ever happen
warm plinth
I've said for a long time that completely separating pve and pvp should happen. They already do separate balancing damage and healing wise
proper roost
But yeah I'd argue the healer balance affects everything in keys rn, S3 being a dps tight season could easily delete aug from keys
It would just have to be extreme and youd still get wild issues like surv hunter in sl
crude notch
But dps tight usually implies nailing burst windows which is what Aug is good at amping up.
proper roost
maybe, isnt augs dps kinda meh rn
Could easily be a top dps that doesnt scale well w aug
Borrowed power trinkets/tier that dont scale w mainstat being a big part of their damage for example
Thats a very specific scenario obviously, just saying augs GIGA dominance rn is because of how the season is setup between healer/survivability
crude notch
I need S3 dps meta to be some combination of 3 of these 9*:
Then Mistweaver as the healer
And roll a dice on the tank
Gimme an Unholy, Demo, Arms, Mistweaver, X meta lol
Feel like you need a priest to make demo/unholy work tho
lusty grotto
do you think maybe separate talent trees would be a good approach
like a talent tree for keys, and another for raids, and idk if another for pvp would be good considering the balancing they've been doing
i guess it also depends on how wildly different they are
and if thats even doable
proper roost
yeah i mean
i think the more it splits
the worse it is
from anyone's pov except the most hardcore (of both pvp and pve)
like, the pvp/pve split is REALLY bad for casuals man. it's really shitty if you're trying to get into pvp and you essentially have to relearn your whole spec
crude notch
Just make M+ talents. Like Mass Invis/Shroud is not gonna be used in raid fights
proper roost
i think i'd just want to have more transparency tbh
like
I want to know what the blizz design team thinks about s2
if they think it was successful then I want to know what was successful about it and what wasn't
proper roost
but honestly though, that's probably a bad idea because players would hate that lol
can you imagine the vitriol if the team was like "It was a success because it proved a new spec/role midseason could work and aug had a lot of participation"
crude notch
When we start getting 10.2 interviews it'll be brought up surely
proper roost
I can already see
the angry posts
Even tho that's what a lot of players do think!
like choco i know thinks that
partially anyway
most people who rerolled aug prob think that, like, it's kinda cool that aug was introduced mid season and it didn't COMPLETELY break the game - it fucked M+ season balancing for sure but it's not like raids and keys were actually unplayable 3x aug messes
crude notch
I will commend them on willing to take a bold move mid season mid expansion. 19 years into the game complacency was becoming the name of the game.
south zealot
what do i think
crude notch
What I think about Aug is in itself conflicting.
south zealot
conflict dn
proper roost
what do i think
think on dn
crude notch
Ironically people asked for more drastic tuning more often they get it and then lose there shit. Like we've had more meta tanks this expansion than we had all of BfA and SL.
We had the most balanced healer season we've ever had followed by the most imbalanced healer month* we've ever had.
plain lotus
is avatar last stand?
plain lotus
why do i not have avatar
south zealot
u have to talent into it
crude notch
why do i not have avatar
it's a talent on the far left side for warrior
lusty grotto
plain lotus
i imported m+ build ig since im only not max level i will not have it
leve i am only sixy four
lusty grotto
ok well you found your answer
proper roost
We had the most balanced healer season we've ever had followed by the most imbal...
yea I think this shit is really stupid fwiw
Like
Sure, some tanks complain when tank imbalance seasons happen in keys
plain lotus
i did not know it was a talent io am sorry
proper roost
But mostly they don't, the people who care to push title just reroll you know
Like, rerolling tank is kind of just a matter of fact thing
Meanwhile healers will froth at the fucking mouth if their spec is #2 (literally rsham all of s2))
It's honestly the wildest fucking thing man
healer mains need to go touch grass for real
healer main btw
crude notch
Tanks are funny because no tank was in the top 10 of all specs and no tank was in the bottom 10 of all specs on my latest graph.
It also helps that all tank specs have been meta at least once in the last 8 seasons.
lusty grotto
i think tanks and healers are loud as shit on this because there's only 1 slot per group for us
dps are loud when those are locked to three very specific classes like now
but if only one of the slots is optional, they actually wont bitch about it
crude notch
Yeah tanks reroll every season because most tanks that do any reasonably high raiding have to prep 3-4 tanks
proper roost
yea exactly
it's like a matter of fact thing for tank
but i'm saying healers bitch about it and staunchly stay on their mains
even though healing is healing is healing
crude notch
ye
proper roost
it's really fucking dumb and tribalistic
proper roost
I won't ever say shit about someone who sticks to their main class to play, I 100% get it, I want to play my pally any chance I get because that was my og main
but
crude notch
Bro MWs are mentally ill, they've accepted their fate at this point it's funny.
crude notch
I love hanging with the MWs in Peak
crude notch
I'm not gonna make fun of you
The most fun I'm having in wow rn is hc
When does 3.4 drop?
proper roost
nice
uh
no date yet but ptr just started this week
so generally 6 ish weeks from now
I mean unironically ICC is kind of a banger
south zealot
nerds/
proper roost
and classic is really chill because the content is relatively quite easy
crude notch
ICC is a banger for sure
proper roost
it's pretty cool to just chill with friends instead of having an expectation of wiping 100 times to a boss
namean
before progging on it on the highest intended difficulty
crude notch
Are they doing limited pulls on LK?
crude notch
whoa
south zealot
bruh if i die one more time to my mouse being dogshit im gonna blow myself up
proper roost
buy a new mouse goober
proper roost
nice what'd you get
crude notch
bruv i hope next season dungeons are banger choices
I feel like there's a chance we get 10
daring marlin
proper roost
yeah same actually
megadungeon + 4 s1 dungeons + 4 new rotation
uncharted territory for sure
ok so here's a relevant argument that i've been having with my guild that idk about
so a bunch of friends have been saying me getting to 3k on my healer and then giving up was me not pushing
is kinda weighing on me heavy because i only really did those keys with guilford and nim 
kinda feel like it was still pushing for me but
they're basically arguing that I gave up and could have kept pushing higher
crude notch
Pushing is pushing. No matter if you could push higher or not.
proper roost
and my argument is basically, that for me WAS pushing, and it's ok to stop at an arbitrary barrier that I set for myself
regardless of whether i could have gotten higher or not
their argument is that you should try harder if you're arbitrarily setting a stopping point for yourself
and not challenging yourself
proper roost
i can kinda see it tho
like if i'm not actually getting to a point where i'm like "i'm actively not good enough"
kinda doubting that one
proper roost
not sure if being like "but i only pushed with friends" is an excuse or a legitimate reason
to not keep going
cuz I could easily pug higher if i just spend a little timem
namean
lusty grotto
kinda feels like theyre trying to guilt you into playing
proper roost
I mean at the time obviously - now that keys were nerfed i would def be able to hit 3200 right now
but at the time 3k was still top 1%
now it's a lot wider
lusty grotto
i dont think it matters
crude notch
People are so cringe man
proper roost
i'm just doubting myself cuz I could push more if I wanted but idk if I want to
like it'd be cool to have title but i don't really feel a need to prove that to myself namean
and i feel like
at some level
title is highly dependent on what spec you're playing + if you got lucky finding a group or not
proper roost
like if I was playing healer at the start of s2 and I had had a group, and then rerolled to hpal and pushed with them - maybe i'd be really high rn
it's just that 3k is kinda low
idk
lusty grotto
i dont think 3k is low
proper roost
it's a weird issue of being surrounded by title level players
namean lmao
like
anything "good" is low
compared to your friends that are all hof ce
lusty grotto
well
proper roost
just second guessing myself
lusty grotto
you dont have to do it in a particular season
proper roost
I mean I wiped my raid straight up with a bunch of really dumbass mechanics on m echo
so i've been really secondguessing my mechanics based on that recently
idk 
it's just at the same time, sitting in LFG queue for 1h to get 3 io sounds godawful to me
lusty grotto
it is
proper roost
but i know that's true for like, most people trying to push io
and its easier for a meta spec (like hpal)
so complaining is kinda dumb when i'm already on meta spec
lusty grotto
i dont think its dumb
sometimes taking a break off game is just the best thing
not completely i mean
FOMO is kind of a bitch
proper roost
yeah idk
i keep telling myself i'm gonna try hard at start of s3 but i dont' know for sure
if both hpal and rsham aren't good in s3 i'm not sure lmao
crude notch
That's like I really want to play MW right now but I don't want to deal with the social aspect
proper roost
it's very disheartening to tryhard in M+ if your spec isn't meta, because it just means it'll add 30 minutes to your queue time, namean
like that's why i just didn't do keys on my warrior in s2 at all
I just did vault keys and that was it
as dps (the most viable spec imo)
lusty grotto
yeah my pally is pretty much done outside of getting anvil
so i just do 1 key
do 7 heroic bosses and 3 mythic ones
thats it
once i get anvil, ill probably try to get another alt up maybe idk
crude notch
I'm curious to find out how many title holders got it without a group.
The problem with that project is like looking at 2000 profiles.
lusty grotto
thats just the completionist in me, because, honestly if i get anvil and stop playing, then whats the reason to get it? 🙂
crude notch
if both hpal and rsham aren't good in s3 i'm not sure lmao
Get the MW ready on God
proper roost
nah idk
the only healer i really don't enjoy is rdruid
because of how many fucking buttons they have
proper roost
I'm curious to find out how many title holders got it without a group.
The prob...
the wild thing is
3 of those characters are my classic GM
💀
if there's a random new BrM in title range next week
it's him
Unironicallyt
the guy has been grinding like fucking crazy man, the guy is insane
crude notch
Are all 3 tanks or what
proper roost
No
Brm
Spriest
Prevoker
All three are in title range (brm soon, not yet)
He is insanely cracked man
it actually is pissing me off
how good he is
lmfao
meanwhile irl he has a good ass job and shit too, it's not like he's some asmongold esque mongoloid basement player
i'm so mad at him
crude notch
The Brew is higher than his Evoker
proper roost
ye but
he will push to title on his prevoker
it's disgusting man
look at the last keys he did on his prevoker
He just hasn't played it in a while
💀 i'm so mad man
bringing up his brm just
makes it insane
his spriest
actually makes me so mad lmao he's too fucking good at the game
AND HE'S A GM OF A MEH TIER CLASSIC GUILD
THE ENTIRE TIME
AHH
drives me so wild man it's not fair how can some people just be so cracked at the game
proper roost
dude
but it's not just time and practice
he plays less than me overall and he only resubbed last season
he is literally just 1000x better and it's frustrating
💀
and the biggest fucking triple whammy is he's been straight up invited to a bunch of hof CE guilds because of how insane he was in S1 and he declined all of them
lusty grotto
kanga he has 3 alts
lusty grotto
err 3 toons
proper roost
I HAVE THREE TOONS
lusty grotto
its time and practice
lusty grotto
look at the amount of keys hes done on each
proper roost
ALL OF THEM ARE 2800+
lusty grotto
and this is completed keys
lusty grotto
right
proper roost
PER EACH
lusty grotto
this guy isnt magically better
lusty grotto
nah youre wrong
this is all practice
youre not a bad player
he just has more practice
thats it
plain lotus
do we ever use shockwave
lusty grotto
if you had the same amount of runs that he has, you would be better, i guarantee it
of course we do use shockwave, its a stop
plain lotus
what does it stop
lusty grotto
its a stun
lusty grotto
yes
proper roost
do we ever use shockwave
Yes, Shockwave is so good that even DPS warriors go out of their way to lose 2-5% of their overall DPS to take it
plain lotus
oh ok
proper roost
in keys
lusty grotto
or just to stop an ability from going off
plain lotus
so can be like
proper roost
i don't agree nim, he's just way better than me and it's really frustrating to see
plain lotus
the interruption?
proper roost
"natural talent" owning me
proper roost
the interruption?
yup, this is a big big reason it's good - if you don't have kick up, and no one else is getting it, and it's a mob that can be stunned, you can shockwave
for a priority kick
For example the mobs at the start of Halls of Infusion, if you see an Expulse or Demoralizing SHout about to go off and your kick is on cd
Aoe stun is a very good option
aoe stun is really powerful in a lot of other contexts, such as if you suddenly want to start kiting
or need to ensure that some mob abilities don't overlap
Here's a good example: you ever had someone get oneshot in freehold because you pulled a harpooner + ogre together, and they do an unavoidable harpoon -> ogre aoe
lusty grotto
the guy is leveling
proper roost
You can shockwave the harpooner during the ogre's big aoe to prevent a harpoon
oh
fuck
lusty grotto
its fine, its a real example
proper roost
i'm very drunk mb
lusty grotto
feels like hes extremely new to the game
so i'd say its worth helping out
and real examples are good cause then he can apply them to those situations
when and if he gets there
lusty grotto
lol
dont worry i wish i was drunk too, but friends cancelled tonight
i forgot it was a holiday weekend lmao
cause my fucking project managers have been blocking my PTOs until oct because they fucked up on hours
proper roost
rip
Wait
the halls of infusion examples were relevant
i'm pretty sure that's a dungeon you get while leveling
south zealot
people are fuckign slow to push
south zealot
esp if u play aug or spriest
south zealot
i mean dude how are u not 3700 as aug or spriest
south zealot
choco please carry my hpal to title range
i play a warrior
south zealot
still invited to every key
proper roost
😔
choco is like
"yeah i always 100% pug i never play with friends"
and hes the one who chooses to 100% always pugs
typical man...
south zealot
id play with a consistent group
crude notch
people are fuckign slow to push
this week is definitely not a push week it'll go up like 200 point in the next 3 weeks.
proper roost
don't tell that to choco i need to have him as my consisitnent tank
south zealot
this week is definitely not a push week it'll go up like 200 point in the next 3...
every week is push week
ppl are cope
esp for like 28s
lusty grotto
the problem i have with pushing past 23s is that there's no room to practice
that only happens if you have a team
south zealot
don't tell that to choco i need to have him as my consisitnent tank
i play arms in keys
lusty grotto
well i guess that applies to every key level
lusty grotto
people want to go +1 on a 1 up key on the first try, and at some point i feel like rerunning to optimize is better, its just not something that happens while pugging
at least optimally
proper roost
toxic
but yeah anyone have tips on how to play the game when you feel constantly overshadowed by ur own fgucking gm
crude notch
Because this is the first tyrannical week
crude notch
with the new scaling changes
proper roost
choco u have any tips
crude notch
you monkey
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
😱
crude notch
son of rat
lusty grotto
proper roost
i make no mistakes ever
is that why ur afraid to ever do keys with the same people
:peepode
crude notch
son of rat go watch any pro player noone take left way more damge for noth u are just animal on pc
proper roost
detective
modern brook
🦍
proper roost
peepodetective
south zealot
just want to pug title
proper roost
coward
south zealot
whats ur io pussy
lusty grotto
😱
south zealot
proper roost
choco wants to eky wtih me
but he's too tsundere
to admit
that teamwork could make the dream work
south zealot
ive applied to like 60 26s today and got invited 0 times
lusty grotto
wheres my no japanese cartoons emoji
crude notch
homie playing arms -_-
south zealot
i had a 27 and depleted it to a 23
crude notch
what a loser
south zealot
unironically
lusty grotto
whats that star wars show that just started
crude notch
yo wtf
proper roost
ya cuz bad healers
crude notch
whats that star wars show that just started
ahsoka
lusty grotto
hell yeah i did it!
crude notch
@south zealot
south zealot
lol its a wip
crude notch
Bru
south zealot
i depleted the 27 and 26 bc the spriest and augs were super dogshit
depleted the 25 bc a dc
proper roost
the funny thing is i might have playe dthe worst in nim's groups
proper roost
i don't recall a single key i did well in nimchip's groups, when i was on my healer
south zealot
and was gonna 2 chest the 24 and then the tank ego left bc the spriest was dogshit and doing no damage
proper roost
very tragic moment
proper roost
honestly idk why choco didn't try pushing as arms earlier
lusty grotto
i don't recall a single key i did well in nimchip's groups, when i was on my hea...
lol wat
south zealot
what dungeon
proper roost
dps warrior is more meta than tank warrior all of s2 lmao
lusty grotto
w8
south zealot
oh dude
i did that with some of the homies
kiliran was my healer in s4 group
and the other guys are kilirans homies i played with a few times
lusty grotto
proper roost
man this conversation is making me want to key on my healer on retail again
south zealot
yes
proper roost
but the biggest issue is
south zealot
dude id love to key on my warrior
south zealot
it would be wild if i could GET INTO A GROUP
crude notch
Maybe be more affable
proper roost
kind of aids and cool at the same time that you have to be playing at 110% to play S2 m+ keys
proper roost
instead i am playing league on philippines server with egirl
yooo lets go
nice
gl buddy
just say gz jordan
be nice to the guy, choco is like 18 dude
south zealot
eta gg
proper roost
he aints seen online booba yet
cinder storm
online booba is the first thing I downloaded in napster
south zealot
ok lets run some keys after pussy\
south zealot
excsuess
south zealot
my jungler bought corrupting potion first item
proper roost
it's not too late your game will be over in 10 minutes when your botlane su rrejnders idiots
south zealot
not a sentence
proper roost
sen tence dn
my pally has missed so many weeks that i got a 20 BH
classic
the last key it did was like a 24
proper roost
wash dn let's GO budd
we're not doing it for your score idiot we're pushing my key
+3 20 BH
south zealot
in game nerd
south zealot
hav e dn tank
proper roost
dn dn
south zealot
holy combo
proper roost
holy i didn't play for 3 weeks and i still got a free socket on my helm
this game owns
south zealot
get some hoes
south zealot
whats dm
proper roost
deez muts
south zealot
@crude notch will u key with us
proper roost
you're missing out on me absolutely owning choco
in a +20 BH
i'm going to own this 14 year old or however old choco is
south zealot
im 30
proper roost
yeah 30 in dog years idiot
me patiently waiting for choco to lose his 1000 mmr league game
south zealot
we will win
proper roost
:starege:
south zealot
meowge
proper roost
more like throwge from your garbage aphelios or w/e he picked
south zealot
seraphine
south zealot
proper roost
i hope u suffer
south zealot
am unkillable
proper roost
god i can't believe choco is a support main
on league
it literally doesn't make sense
sullen valve
Why are y'all playing league? Do you just wanna be toxic?
proper roost
@lusty grotto accept invite
its a BH 20
it's illegal to decline because i am very drunk
south zealot
open ur eyes pussy
south zealot
i ahevnt play dh in 3 weeks
crude notch
23 LP BISHES LETS GO
proper roost
i haven't played retail in like 6 weeks @south zealot
south zealot
eta gg
beacon after pull get oneshot
tank die i get agro
if my tank would STOP SPAMMIN G THRASH WHE WOULD HAVE AGRO
???
proper roost
i fell off bridge 3
2
and had to suicide
alright good times buddy @south zealot
south zealot
proper roost
dude
i am actually so blasted atm lmfao
idk if you saw me
jumping
off
the fucking bridge
LMFAO
south zealot
twice
proper roost
good time
this is the biggest problem with retail tho
if i play while slightly not at 100%
south zealot
too many bridges
proper roost
i'm literally -1 key level
crude notch
I don't think I've ever keyed drunk
proper roost
have to try so hard man
yea it sucks
LMAO
I have no fucking idea what happened
in this BH
nr
rn
crude notch
tbf I can't remember the last time I was drunk at all though
proper roost
can't believe that shit though
we actually missed
timing my pally's key
by 0.1s
because i jumped off the side of the bridge
and missed like 90% of the afflicteds
crude notch
washed up
proper roost
skill diffy
tall tusk
modern gazelle
officially the highest m+ rated warrior on mal'ganis, feelsgood
now just to push for title hopefully
cerulean tusk
Cutoff is likely to end around 3.7-3.8, I believe in ya 
lavish sphinx
Grats Dawn
modern gazelle
Cutoff is likely to end around 3.7-3.8, I believe in ya <:okayge:917646812519739...
yeah, its gonna be tough lol, need to get a consistent group going im still like half pugging everything
modern gazelle
Grats Dawn
ty
paper valve
hey guys, any tips for the 4p? I feel like im not getting full value out of it, whenever LS ends the pack is almost dead
urban portal
Play a higher key level
paper valve
Play a higher key level
my warr alt is still shit geared only doing 20-22s, idk if its tyran but is it worth using it a few secs before a pack dies to have it up and ready for next pack?
lavish sphinx
You could also do bigger pulls. I would still send on cd if you’re pulling back to back
It’s a good problem to have tbh
paper valve
guess i have to get used it, just got 4p y'day. Thank you ^^
long bone
Any tips on tracking Ignore Pain? I have a tracker that tracks the amount on it, but not the TIME. So i often end up losing a full bar of IP cause the buff runs out and I do not refresh it in time xD
grim pilot
Get a different tracker
hazy bronze
You can probably just add a text line for it in your current one as well
strong forum
I don't track IP time 🤷
It's practically impossible for me to not press IP for 12 seconds straight unless im outside of combat
lavish sphinx
I use the Luxthos WA for all my toons. Tracks key resources like SB and IP
lavish sphinx
Just re-read the question, pretty sure Luxthos tracks time left on both SB and IP too
opaque quest
It does. Im using luxthos on everything aswell
long bone
Luxthos looks amazing. I’ll try that one
frigid solstice
Anyone have the max dps prot warrior build for retail wow?
jagged pier
polar crow
Hey I have a question on rend as a prot warrior. How and when do you apply it in rotation?
strong forum
Thunderclap applies it automatically via blood and thunder talent
polar crow
Thunderclap applies it automatically via blood and thunder talent
Awh ok. Just felt like I was lossing a lot of threat in a 20 I just did. Was thinking maybe I wasn't applying it lol
hazy bronze
I dont think rend will rectify threat issues
median tulip
Rend, just like Whirlwind and Slam, does not need to be on your bars as Protection Warrior
sick sentinel
lose aggro = didnt press buttons (correctly) and or something went horribly wrong
but, losing aggro isn't really a massive issue as long as ppl don't really die to it, ,happens often due to way threat is
dps deals more dmg, they gain more threat, same with healrs, same with tank
pallid quiver
Awh ok. Just felt like I was lossing a lot of threat in a 20 I just did. Was thi...
If you're losing threat, you either have DPS that are actually pressing their buttons and you're not pressing buttons, or the DPS are swinging at things that you're not swinging at (because you're gathering multiple mobs or something)
median tulip
The only time someone gets threat off me is if they are focus targeting the wrong thing (i.e not the mob I'm Shield Slamming)
sick sentinel
have to find tricks to get them to all bunch up
so dps can nuke them effectively at one spot for say 20 seconds
mage gets to keep everything inside his blizzard
median tulip
Frost Mages freezing things in the wrong place are a pain in the arse
sick sentinel
yes, but no, cuz they were at last spot they got froze at, like looney tunes cartoon
works for me
hunter ice trap is perfec example of looney tunes logic
median tulip
They're just anathema to doing big multi-pack pulls in M+
sick sentinel
is like anything really, is like "im gunna drive to work, man i hope i dont crash my car today"
hazy bronze
Ok camus
sick sentinel
couldnt wouldnt shouldnt, did, cuz someone invoked it
polar crow
Ok so I'm probably targeting the wrong mob
pallid quiver
They're just anathema to doing big multi-pack pulls in M+
Friendly reminder to keep your mages on a leash and spayed a neutered like a proper pet owner.
hazy bronze
😩
median tulip
Ok so I'm probably targeting the wrong mob
Or your DPS are
sick sentinel
bandaid fixes are, person with aggro does aggro reducing/removing thing, (priest fade, rogue vanish), and bandaid fix from you is either of your 2 taunts, or a heroic throw or 2 (out of range targets)
frigid solstice
Hekili is like the best addon ever
sick sentinel
Carrier has arrived.
polar crow
Curious Elementium Pocket Anvil @437 8/8 or Screaming Black Dragonscale @437 4/5?
sick sentinel
train 5 chickens
3 are dps 1 is tank 1 is healer
could be monkies some smart animal, let them play any game really
crude notch
Curious Elementium Pocket Anvil @437 8/8 or Screaming Black Dragonscale @437 4/5...
Anvil
sick sentinel
im just interested to where some animal gets to the point that it works with its family members to complete a video game mission
figure, if theres more of them in same family group they would get more involved.
serious talk generaly speaking bad to equip oce, even if there is a compatible oce in m+ group eh?
modern gazelle
neltharus is such a weird key dude
its so easy, but either chains get messed up or final boss trinkets get messed up so often
you would think at this point in the season people know the dungeon
sick sentinel
keystoning in general is weird if you've never attempted a speed run or hate races
modern gazelle
i used to speed run destiny 2 master nightfalls when they came out during shadowkeep
my group was fast af
modern gazelle
never really speed ran much of anything else i dont have the patience to sit there and find all the glitches and stuff
charred ivy
the ticks in underoot how do u deal with them? on the boss
4+ stacks and its super painful
crude notch
You uh stomp them before they become ticks
crude notch
Not much you can do once you've failed the mechanic. Except what you've already said and pressing CDs.
modern gazelle
defense stance, shield wall, last stand, pray to god you live
is the chain damage it deals to you magic or physical? does spell block work on it?
south zealot
4+ stacks and its super painful
leap/stun and let stacks fall off
crude notch
Leap stun dn
south zealot
whats leap
crude notch
Leez Nautsp
south zealot
holy moly
modern brook
the ticks in underoot how do u deal with them? on the boss
red circle is boss, you're green, blue is everyone else. this will contain the ticks to an area that doesnt require a lot of tick hunting - as first tantrum goes out high mobility classes should go far to get those ticks and everyone should be focused on tapping them and getting back in time to re stack. often the first charge will go to the center of the room which sucks but should be recovered after the first
charred ivy
ye its the tantrum we get too many ticks
maiden plume
Guys quick question, I'm tanking for the first time as prot and I saw the rotation that u gotta use shield slam/thunderclap on cd and spend rage on def when u need it.
There is some situations that I have full rage and thunderclap or slam out of gcd
Do I ignore rage and press those 2 or use revenge?
Better way to put it, revenge does more dmg than thunderclap/shieldslam in aoe M+?
cerulean tusk
4+ stacks and its super painful
Also, after 2nd charge, bringing the boss towards the middle will smooth out the transition and lessen the DPS loss for melee. Make ticks easier to reach. Basically aim to have tantrum start in the middle. You move back during tantrum towards green
cerulean tusk
Better way to put it, revenge does more dmg than thunderclap/shieldslam in aoe M...
You use IP to drop the excess rage, it is off GCD, so you should never reach that overcap point 
maiden plume
You use IP to drop the excess rage, it is off GCD, so you should never reach tha...
Sure I'm using it
I mean in situation that I wanna deal more dmg
Is not worth to spam revenge over those 2 skills I guess?
lusty grotto
they are not comparable
cerulean tusk
If you got infinite rage, your bleeds are up, then you use revenge for pure AoE damage and IP at the same time 
maiden plume
I know what it means
lusty grotto
it means you can use it in between gcd windows
maiden plume
I mean in a situation that I have 100 rage and I already used IgnorePain and I have it up and my Thunderclap is out of CD
Do I press revenge or Thunderclap deals more dmg
I just wanna know which one deals more dmg tbh
That's all
lusty grotto
you press revenge
pallid quiver
At a quick glance, you appear to not fully understand the class; you press both
maiden plume
Thanks
lusty grotto
thunderclap generates rage
pallid quiver
Your first goal is to not overcap rage
lusty grotto
either way
maiden plume
Your first goal is to not overcap rage
Ye using block/ignorepain
I don't usually cap
I was just confused in terms of which one deals more dmg
Clap or Revenge
maiden plume
Gotcha
pallid quiver
You spend rage on IP to avoid overcapping even if you have IP
lusty grotto
well of course nome
pallid quiver
So if you're at 100 rage, you technically messed up in the rotation
cerulean tusk
It's fine, Lue. He talking about an infinite rage scenario
maiden plume
sof stands for?
maiden plume
It's fine, Lue. He talking about an infinite rage scenario
ye
maiden plume
So if you're at 100 rage, you technically messed up in the rotation
100%
pallid quiver
You'd press IP still then
maiden plume
I got what you mean here
pallid quiver
And then another button
lusty grotto
sof stands for?
show of force
maiden plume
show of force
ty
pallid quiver
Revenge refreshes SS CD due to Sword and Board
So it's your go to rage spender
You prefer to spend rage on Revenge over IP,
But we generate enough rage that you press both
maiden plume
Ye I know
Ok, u guys helped me a lot
Thanks for it
Sorry if I made it confusing
cerulean tusk
sick sentinel
i found more pepega vehicles
lusty grotto
if youre managing rage correctly, that is
crude notch
Hi Nim. You're looking pretty cute today, hope you are having a good weekend
crude notch
Back to work this weekend after taking the last off. Actually it was nice returning though. Yeah this heat is something else we're supposed to get record highs all week, end me.
true dome
In Nelths lair is it possible to reflect every magma cast? I feel like I’m a few seconds off
true dome
Do I do it right when he does landslide?
sick sentinel
it really really hurts if you get hit by it
ebon wren
there a list of boss abilities that are reflectable?
drifting lance
In Nelths lair is it possible to reflect every magma cast? I feel like I’m a few...
atleast 4 in a row are possible
lavish sphinx
there a list of boss abilities that are reflectable?
Sense posted a Google sheets breakdown which is in the pins
ebon wren
ty
modern gazelle
finally doing big boy keys
undone verge
grats!
strong forum
Moving up in the world!
lucid pasture
finally doing big boy keys
okay verelix you are pymping
twilit stag
Hi, noob warrior here, Do You use Barbaric Training in key 16-20?
strong forum
No
twilit stag
Ty
strong forum
You're making revenge a less efficient ability to use which can result in less shield slam resets, less IP usage and a worse rotation
maiden nimbus
Anyone have advice on handling triple crocs pack in Uldaman (17). I pull from entrance up to that croc pack and get busted from the bleeds thru my CDs. I can handle them on their own, but when part of the first big pull they get me. My group didn’t have skip…am I better off just pulling them by themselves? Feels like that slows things down though.
lavish sphinx
Yeah, they should not be pulled with any other packs really. Keep threat but kite (with slows, stuns and stops) while the dps kill them
You can skip with Rouge shroud and sap
echo egret
Try to desync the chomp cast by stunning or or two early. The goal is to avoid 3 stacks at all cost.
maiden nimbus
Thanks that gives me a few different ideas of how I can handle them
stuck basin
you can also go straight up to the other side and skip the 3 crocs with para + ring of piece
south zealot
Anyone have advice on handling triple crocs pack in Uldaman (17). I pull from en...
kite them back and forth
pulling them with other stuff is best so you have extra shit to attack
echo egret
My first pull includes the two casters of this room, but not more.
Then 2nd pull is the brute pack in the roll + 3 basilisks
south zealot
just pull all the way to basilisks with lust
@proper roost holy moly customer ordered deez nuts
what do i do now
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto TR OWNS
