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#protection
strong forum
strong forum
in the grand scheme of wow classes, prot warrior is one of the fastest
dusky canopy
It’s great
median tulip
The thing to realise real quick is that many of your most important abilities - Shield Block, Ignore Pain, Avatar, Last Stand, Shield Wall - are all off the GCD
dusky canopy
median tulip
The key thing you need to leverage to play Protection Warrior is your talent Anger Management. Everything revolves around AM.
Protection Warrior is all about burning through your Rage as fast as you can while maximizing your Rage generation in order to spend MORE RAGE
If you do it right, Avatar stops being a 90s Cooldown and starts being a 30s rotational ability
plain lotus
i see
that is very cool tbh
i think this could be fun
ive never tanked before
is this faster than blood dk?
crude notch
definitely
median tulip
Yeah
echo egret
sick sentinel
is a crafted 447 weapon over a 441 huge deal for arms/fury
cuz, i feel really stupid about crafting pepe trinkets for ilvl
sick sentinel
when seemingly, the alch stone wont reduce hp pots and that would be stupid anyways
and then on idol of dreamer, i already have haste trinkets, and no point talking about rest really
maybe versa alch stone?
strong forum
is a crafted 447 weapon over a 441 huge deal for arms/fury
For arms yes
Fury not as much, but still quite important
It's your most important item
plain lotus
crude notch
sexy
plain lotus
can we not tmog two hand swords
crude notch
yes
plain lotus
o u have to stance dance as prot?
crude notch
not really. you spend 99.9% of your time in battle stance.
lime urchin
true, I tried to be witty 😮
grand veldt
Anyone else feel like revenge needs to be off gcd?
I dont know how to weave this ability in when I'm spamming slam, and clap for rage
kind urchin
On next melee like good ole heroic strike and cleave.
lusty grotto
i hope youre not correcting me
cause the toggle itself was off-gcd
and we already have devastator
it would be way too convoluted to apply it
if i wanted to play with HS and Cleave i would play classic
and im not
move forwards not backwards
warm plinth
Why would anyone want on next melee attacks back 🤢
lusty grotto
goddamn it
warm plinth
I love just sitting there for my swing timer to come back around. Exhilarating gameplay
crude notch
HC HYPE HC HYPE
lusty grotto
🚪 🏃♂️
crude notch
Unironically HC is the best thing to ever happen to classic, don't at me
loud osprey
Question, becuase of 4 set, do we use last stand defensively still or offensively?
lusty grotto
but its a good shakeup to nostalgia bs
lusty grotto
Question, becuase of 4 set, do we use last stand defensively still or offensivel...
offensively
on cd basically
because of the cdr
crude notch
i dont think i have the time for it
yeah I binged it on release day but just play like a quest hub a day now.
plain lotus
how much harder is it to find a guild as a tank compared to dps
lavish sphinx
There are more dps slots for guilds to recruit for, but every guild needs good tanks
I’ve found wow forums is a good resource for looking for guilds
lavish sphinx
how much harder is it to find a guild as a tank compared to dps
Just post “Tank LF guild <insert raid times or whatever>” and let them pitch themselves for you
warm plinth
This is fucking hilarious
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-uFliYijVh4 noob tank vs pro
plain lotus
is there anything a new tank needs to do to their UI or binds? coming from dps
south zealot
Unironically HC is the best thing to ever happen to classic, don't at me
holy
south zealot
just heroic throw them
strong forum
They're not linked with the group
plain lotus
Is tanking the easiest role in WoW
strong forum
Imo id say from a single perspective dpsing is easier in raid
urban portal
assuming if you want to reroll tanking is easier imo
because the raid is usually balanced around the weakest tank
crude notch
There's only like 1 or 2 examples in the last like 100+ fights, don't be cringe.
Normal people call those exceptions to the rule, not commonalities.
cursive prawn
Pointing out an outlier is not cringe
warm plinth
Pointing out an outlier is not cringe
HOW DARE YOU POINT THAT OUT! 😠
cursive prawn
modern brook
Imo id say from a single perspective dpsing is easier in raid
Less impactful maybe
Raid tank is snooze fest minus the 2 bosses you have go be awake for
crude notch
Pointing out an outlier is not cringe
Nah but linking murlok.io is pretty cringe
Back to the DPS channels for you little gremlin
cursive prawn
To be fair, it was okay to use in that specific context
He was making a claim about what the majority run, where aggregators are handy, not what's correct/optimal
crude notch
Homie is full of well actuallys
cursive prawn
sick sentinel
red names
crude notch
Poop names
sick sentinel
paying for discord nitro
warm plinth
what's wrong with Discord nitro 🤔
crude notch
what's wrong with Discord nitro 🤔
I guess if you only ever post in a discord that doesn't allow outside emotes, there's not much use for it.
sick sentinel
i mean, is true
plain lotus
wut
sick sentinel
blow brez bad time, when ur wipping, gg
release when rezzer is alive and you have to walk 2 minutes back and your a healer, gg
crude notch
i mean, is true
Tanking is hard in m+ because you don't know whether to release or wait?
modern brook
u can just like not die yogi
then the problems not there and you cant brick the key
crude notch
That's what you're going with yogi
sick sentinel
ya
sick sentinel
only so much i can do for kicks and point enemies away from party and pull stuff/hit buttons
hunter stands in cave in for billionth time, releases
like, not really my control
sick sentinel
like, well okay further on that road
if someone died to begin with
you probably fucked up as a tank somewhere
you didnt do something right so they got meleed
modern brook
if someone died to begin with
nonononononononno
your immediate reaction to a dps dying shouldnt be "i as a tank fucked up" unless its to something you can prevent
like if i guy gets pelted to death thats a them problem
but if you're hammering them with avalanche you're a dope
crude notch
Lol
I think a lot of newer m+ tanks would say routing. There's a lot of weight that goes into proper routing. To the point where it's often over thought because you really just need to only press W until like +23 anymore.
Then you have random pugs that think if you don't do those TGP routes in their +17 you're a shit tank.
plain lotus
That makes sense
sick sentinel
plain lotus
I think i really like this
sick sentinel
here ill let you guys fight over this log
i didnt check anything, we did have 2 transforms go off
modern brook
what am i fighting over
crude notch
I think i really like this
The job of tanking itself is easy in m+, the job of most groups depending on you to be the leader, baby sitter, and communicator is the more detailed part that scares people off.
plain lotus
So you basically are a parental figure
crude notch
Pretty much
crude notch
what am i fighting over
I dig the new pfp, Bull.
modern brook
animes for losers
sick sentinel
cartoon
crude notch
LMFAO
sick sentinel
is like say koth is animes
modern brook
the replay kinda fucked up but as best i can tell this is a) you're charging a grub to cc it which moved everytthing over there and ruined your sp's positioning and b) you SP didnt want to move and just took the L cause u were there for like 4 seconds
EAAH tbh
happens
sick sentinel
what are we debate in picture, rip prieat?
sick sentinel
hes probably a dumb ass priest in melee
urban portal
What makes hard in m+
you can always pull bigger
modern brook
1 is cc'd so its why hes off in bumble - but this is where the pull started
sick sentinel
why wpuld you do that as priest, no scene it can help
plain lotus
I want to pull whole dungeon
modern brook
you move into where the priest is to get a grub that you can just have a rogue stun
like watch 15:45 to 15:55
that pack does not stay still at all
and then yeah one transforms and you wipe
so you're like moving the pack around a bunch and not ccing the grubs so like why bother
modern brook
1 is cc'd so its why hes off in bumble - but this is where the pull started
upon further investigation I've decided this puill is ur fault
1 is stormbolted
which means you didnt have it for the grub
lusty grotto
which means you didnt have it for the grub
did he have shockwave up?
modern brook
didnt cast it so
lusty grotto
lol
modern brook
actually i dontremember i didnt look for it tbh :/
but if memory servres the only cc cast on a grub was blind
shockwave might not have shown up with how i was looking
lusty grotto
welp it is what it is
lusty grotto
tbf with a rogue that shouldn't be needed
but well if you wanna babysit pugs, you gotta babysit pugs
modern brook
im going to blow my fucking brains out dude
lusty grotto
why
modern brook
i keep thinking "oh i like wow i want to play wow"
and then i start playing it
and i remember "oh killing heroic assault is somehow still prog for like fucking everyone
lusty grotto
do those on tuesdays
modern brook
2 hours ago i wanted to get 5/5
dusky mica
tanking for pugs gives you brain damage
lusty grotto
if you want to reliably pug, you gotta hit it on reset days or wednesday nights
anything other than that and the odds will be against you
modern brook
i just want to justify 15 dollars a month without jepordizing my health tbh
modern brook
been on a break since aug ruined the game
lusty grotto
eh
dusky mica
play with A friend, at least you have someone to vent to in these pugs
modern brook
nims my friend hes who i vent to 🙂
lusty grotto
i love augs
lusty grotto
i disagree
its the other required classes that irk me
their toolkit is just so needed
warm plinth
The biggest problem with introducing aug is that it was mid-tier. The second biggest problem is that it benefits some specs more than others, which enforces a very strict meta.
And the third is that it's the only spec of its kind
lusty grotto
and because they risk cLaSs IDeNtItY there's really no way to reliably balance around toolkits
dusky mica
It would not be difficult to make Enhancement Shaman perform a similar role for melee comps
warm plinth
In what way would you make sure it was only affecting melee, or affecting melee more?
dusky mica
Physical damage, increased melee attack speed
warm plinth
The vast majority of melee have at least partially non-physical damage, with some being completely non-physical.
And if you do it that way, then enhance, if that's the spec you used, would be completely shit if any ranged dps were in the meta
Or in the group I should say
dusky mica
Who cares, they could play Aug instead then
modern brook
good news im free
dusky mica
there needs to be more comp choice, not funnel into one comp
modern brook
The biggest problem with introducing aug is that it was mid-tier. The second bi...
it takes a lot of balls to look at the hate PI and WFT get and say "yeah but what if it was an entire class?"
thats the biggest problem with aug
I cant be mad at Shadow preist
modern brook
if its horse shit just give it to next patch when it gets reworked again
and mage is mage
lusty grotto
you gotta look at these things as a whole
not individually
i mean, with SP's exception because like i've said before, the stars aligned for every fucking dungeon to have a mass dispellable big fuck you dot plus affixes, plus soothe
and last but not least PI
i still disagree with blizzard nerfing their damage
modern brook
Yeah MD now is basically control undead in BFA
modern brook
imagine if every dungeon was as reflectable as lair 
lusty grotto
right
modern brook
warrior would get so much hate lol
lusty grotto
well at least HoI is a big reflectable one
other than the select bosses
in the others
modern brook
hopenstly my problem with aug isnt even the meta warping shit that happened as a result
lusty grotto
but that's not taken into consideration anyway
modern brook
its that it absolutely BABY MODES people
lusty grotto
wdym
modern brook
like
If a progression key for someone is lets say a 16
just running with an aug lets them numbers through up to around an 18
thgey learn nothing
think they're hot shit
then end up in my fucking keyt
and im doing a hoi some how dying to elemental whatevers
warm plinth
Where they carry you because you can only do 14s
modern brook
EXACTLY
modern brook
its different
plain lotus
what prot warrior u guys reccomend watch come first tank
warm plinth
I'm interested to see what changes will be made in the next season regarding aug
modern brook
what prot warrior u guys reccomend watch come first tank
Nom and sense
lusty grotto
hmm i never thought about it that way, but i know how support classes work
modern brook
idk if nom has a lot of real stuff this season tho
modern brook
hmm i never thought about it that way, but i know how support classes work
if im being objective im probably just complaining about pugging but with in a new flavor
lusty grotto
no i mean
modern brook
but i stg since aug dropped the avg iq has dropped along with it
lusty grotto
in comparison with the typical pug
i know how support classes work
in other games etc
so its not me thinking OH SHIT IM DOING 180k AND ITS ME
modern brook
Nom and sense
and Plka
lusty grotto
so thats why that perspective is something that i hadn't considered
dusky mica
Plka streams are cringe
crude notch
modern brook
@plain lotus all of those guys are in this discord and should have their twitch/other forms of vod availble in their profiles
only thing about plka thats cring is he still wont tell me if its PEE-ka pee-KA or PLLL-ka
crude notch
Nim, it's another one of those
modern brook
probably the latter
lusty grotto
lol jordan
crude notch
well they don't do beginner content so, no.
modern brook
whats beginner content in your mind?
plain lotus
i dont mean vids of them doing beginner content
i mean
them talking over stuff
"content" reffering to the content they produce and release
(in my sentence)
modern brook
I dont think they've done like vod review stuff no
crude notch
on pwar itself, your best bet is to read icy-veins for beginner stuff
dusky mica
I would just search youtube for relevant things
modern brook
I would not
crude notch
i also wouldn't
lusty grotto
most OTP Pwars aren't into teaching like Elles does
lusty grotto
your best bet is to stick around in here and pick up on things
and/or read the guides
like they suggested
plain lotus
ie: look at wowhead
wowhead is not good info?
modern brook
its not uhhh... optimal
crude notch
It's spec dependent
plain lotus
i see
modern brook
the writer for wowhead prioritizes different things
plain lotus
writer is arch right
modern brook
for prot i believe its llarold
lusty grotto
for prot? no
plain lotus
ohy i see
lusty grotto
arch does fury/arms only
crude notch
the writer for wowhead prioritizes different things
you're aware that llarold's talent builds are quite literally copy pastas from the pins, right?
modern brook
i havent looked at wowhead for prot war since 2018 tbh
plain lotus
when paly fury i used to watch critcake
lusty grotto
did he update?
crude notch
yes
lusty grotto
nice
modern brook
i know they were originally different from noms
plain lotus
do i need to bind back up
dusky mica
yes
plain lotus
ok
modern brook
do i need to bind back up
i like having backpedal bound but you can technically just strafe insetad
lusty grotto
crude notch
Critcake is also a cutie
plain lotus
yes
plain lotus
is quazii good person to watch
lusty grotto
for general tanking sure
crude notch
actually that's a good "beginner" guy
dusky mica
never watch dorki for warrior takes
lusty grotto
quazii for more starting out stuff
dorki for more advanced stuff
but none of them are one trick pony warriors
so keep that in mind
they multi tank
lusty grotto
naowh too
crude notch
Dorki is a known anti-pwar player so you won't really gain much pwar knowledge from him.
modern brook
dang quazii really benefiting from that open ai
plain lotus
Dorki is a known anti-pwar player so you won't really gain much pwar knowledge f...
why he no like?
lusty grotto
cause people like different things lol
crude notch
different strokes for different folks
plain lotus
fair
if full swap tank do u need to multi tank if u want to join decent guild or doesnt matter
shouldnt matter right
lusty grotto
depends what you consider decent
crude notch
It doesn't matter, but guilds are cringe and make it matter. >_<
modern brook
^
dusky mica
It's usually hard to join good guilds as a tank
plain lotus
true
violet flume
last time i joined a guild as a tank they ended up telling me to go boomkin kek
plain lotus
lol
violet flume
"actually guardian sucks this patch we got another tank but you seem to have good boomkin parses"
i ended up tanking an expansion later but still
crude notch
Like Pumps has been Top 30 world on arguably the worst raid tank for the last 3 expansions, but then you get ^
plain lotus
well dang
dusky mica
isn't he the GM?
crude notch
I think the point here is you can play what you want.
modern brook
it took too long cause i couldnt spell spetmeber
violet flume
tbh i think most guilds wont care too much once youre in
plain lotus
lol
violet flume
they might recruit a meta tank for their current tier
but most wont nerd out so hard they want you to swap to meta on a raid basis
modern brook
i mean ultimately the raid tank experience is like
10 pulls of learning what you're supposed to do
and then 90 pulls of watching the same 4 dps fuck your progression over - you being the meta tank will not suddenly make them not fuck over your progession
violet flume
10 pulls is generous when most are taunt swaps
granted i havent raid tanked in a long time lmao
plain lotus
Lock down browser have to go to phone 😦
crude notch
The 10 pulls isn't about taunt swaps, it's about positioning the boss so that your crayon eaters can get uptime.
dusky mica
tanking and healing in raid is dogshit
plain lotus
So i will prolly have to dps?
crude notch
You have to climb the ranks. You'll tank some find out you hate raid tanking swap to a dps then get high enough then spill the beans that you used to tank then be forced to raid tank.
modern brook
You have to climb the ranks. You'll tank some find out you hate raid tanking swa...
this is uncomfortably true
crude notch
plain lotus
Loool
fluid beacon
guys, any tips about what to do to not lose my settings and layouts when i swap from tauren to dwarf?
violet flume
you should lose nothing? i never noticed anything when race changing
fluid beacon
last time i faction changed was many years ago and from i remember it messes with a lot of your UI etc
plain lotus
I faction change 2 days ago i didnt lose anything
violet flume
oh never faction cahnged
modern brook
are you using an addon?
crude notch
It's tied to names
crude notch
WAs won't change
modern brook
was shoudnt change yeah
fluid beacon
keybinds etc neither?
modern brook
i mean I dont think any of that should change tbh
modern brook
but theres a file in your install directory thats just the ui like...settings?
you can back that up to be safe
crude notch
you can just select the profile in edit mode
fluid beacon
the WTF folder?
ok
let me make sure my profile is saved in the edit mode, good idea
modern brook
IDR where exactly but i had to restore stuff in there before
lusty grotto
you dont lose shit when you faction change
modern brook
google should help you with that better than i could
lusty grotto
i faction changed at the start of the season
modern brook
but yeah i dont expect any of that to break froma faction change
lusty grotto
everything was 100% like it was
you will lose argent coliseum progress though 
if you care about that lmao
fluid beacon
ok cool thanks friends
crude notch
Default UI settings are account wide though so all you have to do is pull it
violet flume
i put so much time in argent coliseuum
fuck losing that 😦
i farmed it.. twice
before achievements and stuff was account wide
modern brook
more like fartgent coliseum
violet flume
did my daily trial of the crusader lmao
lusty grotto
meh not a big deal
modern brook
(i have no idea wtf it is)
violet flume
its the argent crusade stuff in north of icecrown
dailies and the 5man dungeon gives crusader seals
lusty grotto
like you dont lose pets or anything
lusty grotto
but you will need to buy another harness
luckily
i had farmed exalted in both alliance and then on horde
so now that im back in alliance, i just have to go over and buy the thing again
only reason you do it is for the squire, and that isnt really needed anymore
because the pets and mounts just stay with you
or with your account
violet flume
still use squire for the bank
lavish sphinx
I realm changed and everything was fine
crude notch
some of you are playing with like zero addons i can tell.
lavish sphinx
ElvUI profiles are very helpful for this kind of thing
uneven mason
Imagine using elv in 2023
lavish sphinx
What’s wrong with Elv?
crude notch
Nothing ikari is just 80 and doesnt know how to use technology
lavish sphinx
lol
plain lotus
I use atrocity elv
uneven mason
Nothing ikari is just 80 and doesnt know how to use technology
I used elv when it was better than the base UI
It's no longer that
crude notch
LMAO
warm plinth
I think the base UI looks a lot better, but I still hate the unit frames
kind urchin
I use Elv. I like it.
warm plinth
The loot window is super good though
crude notch
It's no longer that
I respect those that choose to use the base UI and do think the upgrades make it a lot better as a whole, but there's still a plethora of people that use elvUI or anything that's not default. And so randomly attacking people that are "using elv in 2023" is pretty weirdge.
Also, as long as default party frames only track a certain number of hots it's pure int'ing to use at least default Blizzard party frames as a RDruid.
"there's an addon for that"
yes there is but if your company's developed UI for your very own game doesn't display all necessary info for one of your specializations, you've failed at UI design 101.
dusky canopy
Hard agree with that sentiment, base ui should display all relevant information clearly and efficiently.
Ui Addons should be for flavor and fully optional
brittle owl
what's relevant information depends on how you play the game though
jimmy that likes to gather flowers doesn't want that much on the ui compared to timmy doing pvp or jeff doing high keys
lucid holly
and then 90 pulls of watching the same 4 dps fuck your progression over - you be...
True AF
crude notch
what's relevant information depends on how you play the game though
Not being able to track all your hots as a resto druid with the standard UI is a failure of your UI period.
warm plinth
Almost time for 3-day weekend 
Do they not all track on the raid-style party frames?
I haven't used those in forever but I thought I remembered some kind of indicator on them
crude notch
There's a max
crude notch
right
jagged gust
Remember to not bring an aff lock so dots dont start falling off
warm plinth
Actually didn't they change that in classic so you could have more? Even though it wasn't faithful to the original?
jagged gust
Couldn't tell ya tbh, I just remember that shit stuck around for an xpac or two
Like how you gonna design a class that inherently breaks down in end game lmao
warm plinth
Yeah, I never raided in classic and didn't raid much in TBC either so I didn't experience it
Or if I did, I never would've noticed
crude notch
Pretty sure classic vanilla had it at 16 which was the 1.7 change. It was bumped to 40 in TBC
jagged gust
I feel like it was still problematic even in tbc but that was when I was just a wee lad raiding sunwell and spamming a one button macro who didn't need to concern himself with things like "thinking"
crude notch
40 was still problematic yes because it's a debuff cap not just a dot cap
warm plinth
oh
crude notch
The debuff cap went from 40 to uncapped in 3.0
jagged gust
better not knock off my expose weakness bruh
crude notch
Pallies weren't able to drop consecrate lol
Apparently exclusively for Classic Vanilla they did have it at 24. LOL
warm plinth
Yeah it looks like they removed it for season of mastery too
Which tbh I don't really know what season of mastery is/was
crude notch
Apparently in 1.11 (not classic) they coded debuffs like sunder armor above something like serpent sting which did like nothing
warm plinth
Oh so some debuffs actually replaced/took precedence over others?
crude notch
yeah in 1.11. Before that though like dumb shit could remove important shit
warm plinth
Yeah that would suck lol
crude notch
Like 40 wouldn't be horrible today but like with a 40-man raid, you can't have a shadow priest
jagged gust
Imagine a dot that did less damage than an auto attack removing sunder lmao
warm plinth
8 debuffs in a 40 man raid like...tf
Though I guess at some point it was like a technical limitation or some shit
crude notch
yea
jagged gust
The original concept was to run 40 warriors and nobody take any bleed talents clearly
crude notch
yeah no rend pls, thank you
warm plinth
Who needs DoTs when you have 4 sec auto attacks right
jagged gust
Just taunt after every auto attack and use spirit to regen hp
crude notch
warriors alone had what, thunderclap, sunder armor, rend, demo shout,
warm plinth
yep lol
crude notch
vanilla things still sound so funny to me sometimes.
it's like "this is the game that revolutionized mmos?"
jagged gust
Honestly the community was a huge part of what made the game at the time, that level of cooperation and communication was unheard of
the forums were actually a really fun place to be before they went full authoritarian with the moderation
lavish sphinx
God I remember when that South Park episode came out, every realm was dead cause people were watching it
My lil Dwarf Hunter was trying to get Warr gear cause it looked cool
It was so immersive back then
jagged gust
I remember being pissy about it, I was like "THATS NOT HOW THE GAME WORKS" /rage
lavish sphinx
Didn’t matter cause a group of night elves and I had to go raid the Tower of Azora
And you don’t get moments like this anymore
halcyon pasture
is WW and Revenge (unpowered) the same damage?
crude notch
Being forsaken and trying to go east from Tirisfal
That was my "Welcome to WoW" moment.
median tulip
is WW and Revenge (unpowered) the same damage?
No. Take Whirlwind off your bars.
halcyon pasture
is WW and Revenge (unpowered) the same damage?
im tracking that ww is slightly more damage and can hit behind you
jagged pier
yes but it costs more rage
median tulip
You never, ever, EVER want to cast Whirlwind
median tulip
and doesn't inflict the bleed
remote venture
it's like "this is the game that revolutionized mmos?"
Sometime you forget that WoW is 20 years old and a lot has happen since then.
halcyon pasture
You never, ever, EVER want to cast Whirlwind
thanks!
jagged gust
Slamwinning just doesn't sound as good
crude notch
@south zealot
opaque quest
<@413532942762246144>
I had a stroke trying to decipher this post
warm plinth
I'm assuming this is talking about the left route in HoI?
opaque quest
I tried left route because someone said they are herb dude. I didnt feel much difference to right. Im only doing 23/24 tho. Probably doesnt matter unless its 28+ or smth. Ppl need to chill
opaque quest
Ye but you can still go left/right and somebody wanted left left
So i said fuck it have it your way
ionic fern
warm plinth
oh you mean left as in not the froggie route
opaque quest
I always go left for engi then right on frogs
The dude wanted left for engi then left again for herb
warm plinth
ahhh
orchid pewter
Hello Guys, our tanks have some trouble to survive on mythic experiments. I see on the first sight that they alwayse have high stacks. So its 8 stacks for a prot Warri so deadly? i mean the stack should be clear by 5 around? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CPFkLxwJ7YnHRm2y#type=deaths&boss=2693&difficulty=5 But is there any tipps for our Prot Warri?
jagged pier
yer he can play correctly
across your 7 wipes
he pressed ignore pain 40 times
for context on the last kill i did of experiements which was a long time ago
i use it 56 times
its magic damage it needs to be mitigated correctly
gloomy vortex
I found stacking slows from lock, rogue and DK helped a lot here
gloomy vortex
I also found using a WA for when to clear helped a lot
This fight is the worst out of the first 5 for me as a prot warrior.. magic damage is the worst
jagged pier
Hello Guys, our tanks have some trouble to survive on mythic experiments. I see ...
well stack should be clears asap
so the moment the raid debuff drops
your warrrior also just isnt playing correctly, like really playing incorrectly
so let list out the issues
his CPM is horribly wrong its top cast should be SS yet it below both TC and revenge, this means hes literally missing out on a tone of rage like a tone of rage over a fight which he can use on IP, as i said above his IP usage is horrendously low.
another point like all of his CD useages like any cd hes not using it shield wall has a 1 min ish cd he used it twice in your 7 min long kill he used LS 2 times which is also a min cd and should be used on CD unlike SW but tbh on that fight because of the magic damage u use SW pretty much on CD, so both should be around 7 ish casts he used ravager once its a 45 second cd that gives rage and damage once in a 7 min fight shield charge 4 times its also a 45 second CD TR 3 times also a 45 second cd all these things are more damage and more rage for IPs and revenges and SS rests and more rage to use into AM so more avatars (also low on casts)
hes also running spell block which does nothing on that fight
so its a pointless talent
cerulean tusk
Is all that one sentence?
jagged pier
he also not managing his outburst stacks
he spend more outbursts on TC than SS
which is terrible
the general TLDR is, press things on cd because hes not
and dumb rage into IP as well as revenge
orchid pewter
Thank you!
sand drum
curious if anyone has done a tank dummy test in a while 😄 how many stacks should I reach ? usualy get to about 60 stacks (10 min fight) 😛
warm plinth
🤷 It's not something we test lol
cerulean tusk
I used to do it back in legion, it is some good fun to do when you got some time to kill
jagged pier
^
got to 125 back then
also did proving ground really high back then
but now
we raid log nowadays
starfield out next week so even less need to log in
pallid quiver
damn, i can't yell at jakey to catch these metal hands
It's funny, because I completely forgot about Starfield until like everything around me's just like "YO STARFIELD'S COMING OUT NEXT WEEK AREN'T YOU HYPED~!?!?!?!?"
and i heard no hype about it before like, yesterday
jagged pier
well its bethesda theyve been quite for ages because they dont want more heat after the last few ummm not good things
so if starfield sucks it can be swept under the rug
but by next we will know from early access if good or no
pallid quiver
Hello Guys, our tanks have some trouble to survive on mythic experiments. I see ...
Also, I'm like half an hour late, but your prot war should also remember to press IP more because they're wasting a lot of rage, so even if they did fix their base priority issues, they'd not get much use out of it if they're just not pressing buttons faster
pallid quiver
well its bethesda theyve been quite for ages because they dont want more heat af...
I think it was Siliconera had a review that said it was their best game since Fallout 3.
which, considering I don't value base Fallout 3 real good, is a backhanded complement
pallid quiver
Hoping Starfield's good for you, then; I've got no reason to want the game to be bad, so I'd rather you have a good time
jagged pier
blazing condor
hazy bronze
Todd deffo needs more blood boys for TES6
lavish sphinx
What now?
hardy snow
so they can only use warlock
why they cant use rogue debuff if they have one rogue?
jagged pier
because the other on is better for the raid
opaque quest
New chair just arrived. Swapped from gaming shit to a herman miller aeron. Starfield needs to be good so i can sit on the char for 15 hours a day for 2 weeks
opaque quest
Where do i find spell reflect dmg in logs?^^
pallid quiver
Damage done by an enemy to itself it should be
opaque quest
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fGXKCv2Rqg6mV1WD#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=159&target=197 Any chance you can figure it out?^^
opaque quest
Sweet thanks
strong forum
sense has a query pin for reflected dmg to get an easier overview but i havent rly bothered to make one myself
opaque quest
Ive never analyzed tank logs and its weird
strong forum
waxen frigate
but by next we will know from early access if good or no
From what I’ve heard it’s oblivion in space
strong forum
this is your full reflect dmg
strong forum
hazy bronze
Can I set up a silicon valley libertarian utopia?
strong forum
if you try hard enough!
opaque quest
this is your full reflect dmg
Perfect ❤️ Thanks again
strong forum
yeah put that into enemy dmg taken filter expression
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778
i prefer the original cnc gold, but thats just me
sick sentinel
nope
opaque quest
This is not a discussion
sick sentinel
fuck yo tanya, commando dude is better
opaque quest
I only played korea. I think they had the bomber thingies
opaque quest
Oh yeah i remember that one
sick sentinel
the only reason red alert was any good was cuz booba tanya and stalin acting
plus that the combat loop was ... OKAY...
wait, what was the overall TLDR of ppl yelling at my log
i tried to read it but i was too tired to both read and understand it
opaque quest
the only reason red alert was any good was cuz booba tanya and stalin acting
And yuri being a weirdo
But im probably biased because i played it with my brother for hours when we were kids
sick sentinel
ra2 jumped the shark
first 2 missions as russia MISSION 1, DESTROY/CAPTURE PENTAGON, MISSION 2, ATTACK/CAPTURE TWIN TOWERS AND SET UP WORLD RADIO
yes really, and also pre 9-11 ofc
opaque quest
I was to young to really remember anything
I just remember cool harriers from korea
Just some story snippets here and there from yuri turning people into minerals
sick sentinel
i always found the tiberium story way more fascinating until it turned to "alienz yo"
opaque quest
I never played tiberium. I really should. So many ppl hype kaine
sick sentinel
kane and nod are extremely fascinating to me
(by tiberium i mean any of the games that are GDI vs NOD instead of more or less real faction vs same but different country
opaque quest
Are the Nod games in the remastered collection?
sick sentinel
that one contains HD cnc gold (first ever command and conquer, gdi vs nod) and red alert nato vs russia + remastered cutscenes, sfx, gfx, and " " DLC " "
dusky canopy
How’s armored core 6?
lusty tiger
I want pizza so badly today
sick sentinel
requirements is its armored and it has a large gun, 95% have tracks
sick sentinel
this one on EA is EVERY (might have missed 1 , doubt it) cnc, but legacy games, more crashes etc cuz they for win 95/2000
proper roost
you know what other mediocre game is on gamepass, starfield
strong forum
you mean space skyrim
proper roost
apparently it's not very similar, aside from having all the bethesda rpg things
The reviews are kind of perplexing
They're like "it's just like a bethesda rpg" but also "the exploration universally sucks, you're just stuck warping between small points of interest"
Which uh? Hmm??
strong forum
Love it "this game doesn't have exploration when I use fast travel for every single second of my gameplay"
proper roost
i'm actually very curious as to how it's getting good reviews given that literally like the #1 draw of most bethesda rpgs is missing
well I mean the point is more that there IS nothing but fast travel in this one
because space empty
urban portal
Love it "this game doesn't have exploration when I use fast travel for every sin...
100%
i so agree with this
im a fast travel abuser myself
proper roost
anyway it's on gamepass so i guess i will try it out in a few days and see why it's even getting good reviews 🤔
very curious though
strong forum
I consciously stop using helicopters and fast travel as much as I can in say ghost recon breakpoint forcexample
Cuz playing it too efficiently just takes the fun out of it
urban portal
well ubisoft games dont put a lot of effort in their games
so i dont mind it there
not the greatest fan of bolivia either
opaque quest
well ubisoft games dont put a lot of effort in their games
Anno 1800?
But ye apart from that i agree
sick sentinel
i do generally enjoy cnc out of that, starcraft and warcraft rts
opaque quest
I havent touched warcraft since refunded
sick sentinel
cuz its just like, you build based, build units, tell them to attack, they attack
not much thought about it beyond protect harverster
starcraft takes alot more thought than im used to, figured i should beat last 2 3/rd's of protoss missions
urban portal
cuz its just like, you build based, build units, tell them to attack, they atta...
thats because people dont play multiplayer cnc
cnc multiplayer is just as deep as starcraft
sick sentinel
not really, you just build tanks and whoever gets the most tankst the fastest wins lol
urban portal
you can push enough advantage to win before tanks even come out
this is literally every day yogi noob speak
sick sentinel
race to the finish line every time i play cnc, that, or it turns into turtle wars
nah, tanks come out fast and soviet tanks have double barel by default
urban portal
ok yogi
sick sentinel
if your the EU you build rocket men to blow up the russia double barrle tanks
eu has shit 1 barrel tanks with less dps and hp
strong forum
not the greatest fan of bolivia either
breakpoint is pretty good
wildlands was better initially
but breakpoint with the right settings is 
strong forum
wildlands you also got way too OP
with a crew and all the instant summons + mortar strike and whatnot
breakpoints you turn off as much help as you can, turn hud off and stuff like that
and its real nice
strong forum
yes, like any shooter should be lol
thats why i extremely dislike shooter RPGs like fallout
tall tusk
yeah I hate when a fallout game plays like fallout
strong forum
no i meant division
fallout idc, played it once for 10hrs and never touched again
bethesda games just arent for me
tall tusk
oh yeah division was pretty bad but like okay for what it was
that RPG shit did not fit in at all
I totally agree it should have been more hardcore
like all the scavenging you did
strong forum
to this day the original dayz niche hasnt been filled
tall tusk
But for what
strong forum
instead we got BRs
strong forum
mye
strong forum
im a graphics whore
tall tusk
will we have anything to fill that dayz hole though
strong forum
didnt hit like dayzmod did
tall tusk
or is it because it was so new and exciting is why we had so much fun
tall tusk
hunt showdown was nice for that, especially paired with the sound whoring
tall tusk
its not
you want to level your character up by exiting hunts safely, that’s where the sense of danger comes in
should you just leave the firefight that just broke out or risk losing your character you’ve invested so many hours in to
strong forum
so like tarkov
tall tusk
I woulda just said that
strong forum
i dont like the whole extracting meme
strong forum
yea
strong forum
i seem to recall that they wanted to go open world like dayz in early development
tall tusk
Pubg degenerates
strong forum
but maybe that was just wishful thinking
tall tusk
yeah I think that was wishful thinking
south zealot
<@413532942762246144>
opaque quest
Talking about bad games. Volition is dead. Rip saints row
proper roost
volition dn
balmy canyon
Anyone know if spellblock works on experiments debuff? I'm looking for a little more tankyness since we lost our dk and now we're getting 6 - 7 stacks per clear which is rather unpleasant
urban portal
press it on cd for the DR
jagged pier
Anyone know if spellblock works on experiments debuff? I'm looking for a little ...
It does nothing
To the dot
crude notch
Gm uggos
proper roost
🥹
proper roost
you're a party animal lol gottem
misty flax
Been playing for a long time, but have never taken on the tanking role. Warrior is the most appealing to me in class fantasy but is it a new tank friendly class to start with?
crude notch
I think the only one that others would classify as not new player friendly is Brew because of buttons.
For me personally I'm just numb to any difference between them so IDK.
proper roost
yeah all of the tanks (except brm for some weird reasons) are inherently easy rotationally
strong forum
this spec plays itself once you select the correct talents to quite a successful degree
proper roost
the difficulty of playing tank is generally not rotational, it's more on setting up the situations and learning pulls
like 10:90
strong forum
and you actually press buttons without going afk between globals
proper roost
ratio
jagged pier
Pressing buttons fast enough is the biggest herdle now
I mean that alqays was a factor but u had to manage everything else now if u press your buttons it pretty simple
I swear if they nerf SB uptime even im gunna struggle
proper roost
i mean tbf the "difficulty" of tanking has always been just how you do positioning and all of that
Can see that well enough by looking at the logs of how shitty almost all of the top 10 tanks in raid play
strong forum
the difficult part of tanking isnt playing the spec, its playing the role
crude notch
Can't miss a global if you never log in
strong forum
tropic gorge
based
jagged gust
Welp, just started mythic prog, took over main tank role and was given raid lead while the GM is moving across the country for the next month
jagged gust
A LITTLE BIT YEAH
lusty grotto
what about the officers?
jagged gust
One's his wife, one is currently on a safari in australia, one just got demoted and another is literally a mute
They're a fucking legend but making callouts is a little rough when you can only communicate through soundboard lmao
Not a shit show at all
lusty grotto
rough
fair temple
im a fury main, but switching to prot for mythic nelth prog cause tank problems, if I dont change anything (don't recraft to haste/verse) I should still be good right? even if im itemzed for haste mastery and like only 10% verse?
crude notch
Willy out here in the Wild Wild West of Guilds.
crude notch
im a fury main, but switching to prot for mythic nelth prog cause tank problems,...
Correct you'll be more than fine. Secondaries are mostly inconsequential as Prot beyond haste really.
fair temple
yaa... I still plan on crafting a 447 shield but other than that.
i read main thing is keeping up defensive
jagged gust
Honestly I swapped a lot of my gear to mast to make switching to fury easier lmao
jagged gust
Willy out here in the Wild Wild West of Guilds.
We're a little rag tag bunch to be sure
fair temple
another question, in M+ im primarily in battle stance and just make sure ignore pain and shield block is up, in mythic raid, should I still be in battle stance and switch when its bad?
I guess I can check logs to see
figure I ask first
lusty grotto
another question, in M+ im primarily in battle stance and just make sure ignore ...
ignore pain uptime doesnt matter
and yes stances are the same on both types of content
fair temple
ignore pain uptime doesnt matter
oooh interesting... so I can be pusing even more DPS!
lusty grotto
ignore pain is just our way to not cap rage
off-gcd way
also known as a rage dump
strong forum
the secret sauce to doing good dps
is using IP alot at the correct moments
if you wanna do good dps, dont overcap rage, ignore however much ignore pain absorb you have, just send it to avoid overcapping
at peak rage generation times, youll press ignore pain 8 times in 10 seconds
fair temple
sweet thank you guys!!!
south zealot
nomer do u take overwhelming rage
jagged gust
I was actually struggling to stop from capping even with overwhelming rage on lusted pulls, unnerving focus takes some getting used to after so much m+
strong forum
ignore pain is your most abused button during LS in when Unnerving is talented ye
jagged gust
Also I tend to swap P&G for Bounding >.>
strong forum
Well yeah pain and gain hardly does anything
proper roost
reporting back, I now know why starfield is being rated highly
you can make paul blart (space) mall cop in it
lusty grotto
report dn
south zealot
you can make paul blart (space) mall cop in it
can u get some bitches in it
proper roost
probably but the only interaction you can probably have with them is dumping a bunch of random shit in their inventory so you don't have to carry it
first bug 6 minutes into my favorite streamer's playthrough
🫡 let's go
crude notch
Yogi is your favourite streamer, right?
lusty tiger
Yes
sick sentinel
if i have a streaming set up and i never stream am i still a streamer
crude notch
yes
lusty tiger
Does a yogi shit in the woods…
strong forum
first bug 6 minutes into my favorite streamer's playthrough
Im hearing alto of mediocrity about the game
proper roost
yeah his computer is ok but the npcs look like
pretty much remastered skyrim levels
still pretty potatoey
sick sentinel
when 5090
lusty tiger
420
sick sentinel
80 gb of vram
lusty tiger
Never have I played a game and wanted rtx
But I also don’t care for single player gaming much these days
sick sentinel
i would argue that rtx would make single player games better if done by someone who give a crap
proper roost
Im hearing alto of mediocrity about the game
ok so the companions in this game
have "haha funny asides" that they say when you're talking to other npcs
Except every time they do this the camera hard cuts to a front face shot of the companion making the joke
:starege:
It is uhhhhh jarring
idk what's with the facial animation in this game
it's ME Andromeda esque in how bad it is
jagged gust
Sounds like a jim pan from the office
Also it's a bethesda game, having a bug every 5 minutes is an intended feature, gotta wait for the community patch to fix what the devs couldnt
proper roost
ya that's literally what the streamer said
he was like "if you're gonna do jim pans, the character can't just be staring dead eyed into the camera" lmao
sick sentinel
so, we are figuring at least start of october for 10.1.7?
sick sentinel
like, what 2 of these are "the least worst"
since its totally for ilvl at this point, even arms weapon even when its bis (likely never ply it)
if there was a way to get 6 spark 4 for 2 2 hnd weapons and 2 pepega trinkets, fully suited
sick sentinel
i ran the numbers, if it hit all targets for listed dmg at 447, 13 times, it would deal 393k
warm plinth
if what did
sick sentinel
oh right, so it hits 6 or 7 times i gues
warm plinth
Generally I believe you use the modifier that makes it roll only odd cards and then you only use it on 7 or ace
sick sentinel
crafted trinkets are so lack luster
warm plinth
I used dance box quite a bit last season and tbh it was fairly mediocre despite the numbers on it
sick sentinel
maybe alac alch stone is good if i use enough combat potion
median tulip
The Jewelcrafting Haste trinket is better than you might think from the reports; but you definitely need to have the right gems socketed for it
warm plinth
I have it on my druid
at 447
though tbf I just got it because I had an ass trinket for forever
and I haven't actually looked at the efficacy yet
jagged gust
Somehow the darkmoon deck sims insanely well for outlaw rogues
Not sure if that's a case of raid horn sim bait or otherwise though
warm plinth
It does sim very well, but my performance with it was less than great
I play outlaw on my rogue so I was using it as outlaw
crude notch
Your performance with ....
Nevermind, I'll be nice
warm plinth
It also sims kinda weird because you can't sim the sigils
crude notch
I love you ghash
warm plinth
Hey don't be publicizing my poor performance in some areas
crude notch
Lol
jagged gust
plain lotus
I wish they would remove crafting
Feel like it makes so hard to catch up
I just wanna m+ zombie
lusty grotto
such a weird take
no idea why someone would say that crafting makes it hard to catch up
crude notch
Yeah I don't think adding another form of catching up actually makes it harder to catch up. 🤔
jagged gust
Just doing your weekly vault nets you 2.5 447 crafts plus whatever loot the other 4 people with 445 ilvl carrying you dont need
unless its a money thing
urban portal
You can get fully geared 441 by paying 15 bucks in wow gold
jagged gust
even then just mindlessly fish for an hour in the azure span where you get infinitely respawning fishing holes to cover your weekly needs
crude notch
You can get fully geared 441 by paying 15 bucks in wow gold
huh?
sick sentinel
i made the gem thing like half an hourt ago
crude notch
Does Wyrms get you 441?
sick sentinel
probably never see use out of it, but
they get you gear in upgrade system to 437 i think
then its aspect to 441 and beyond
warm plinth
Nah crafted w/ wyrm is 437
crude notch
thought so
sick sentinel
oh right, enchanted, my logic was (i know you need an aspects from 437 > 441, and he said "get to 441" which is where hero track gear stops. like i might get some drop and wan to get it to 441
dusky canopy
What’s up my dude
dusky canopy
I send it right after CS
That seems to be the most common
I sifted through lorgs to see what was most common
lusty grotto
ive been doing that, just trying to see where i can optimize
my avatar isnt aligning with cs though
dusky canopy
They’re kinda all over with the opener but yeah CS>TR
lusty grotto
or unsure if its better to align with ToM
south zealot
or <@413532942762246144>, though idk if you play arms
YES
dusky canopy
Hmm I think it’s supposed to align fairly close mine varys though it really depends on rage management
south zealot
do you want to troar in ToM or during CS?
doesnt matter
dusky canopy
Whatcha looking for