protection

[hardy snow]

you want lots of haste, mastery is also very usefull up to some point

you cant just go full crit and be happy

[crude notch]

Because ultimately it doesn't matter and the oonly people that care about stats are people that ask about them in class discords

[cunning inlet]

Most are running haste - vers / mast. Crit is low for most.

[crude notch]

so you're just gonna intentionally ignore sense

Bobas literally logged out in fury, so. there's that.

[cunning inlet]

I said majority. Thay is not the samas all.

[ionic fern]

All the stats are close defensively.
Haste is prioritised for obvious reasons.
Crit = more parry = more overall DR over the course of the dungeon. HOWEVER it's RNG DR. RNG is not something that tanks want in their survivability.
Vers = consistent DR, which also works for magic damage.
Now, will it matter which they go for? Not really, no. People are just defaulting to vers because it's easier to understand/read and they like the logic of "Consistent and it also reduces magic damage".

[hardy snow]

and also vers is better defensively in raid than crit

[warm plinth]

I know this is a crazy concept for some

But just because someone is on the top of the leaderboards does not make them infallible

Top players do dumb shit all the time

They're just really good at pressing buttons, and in the end, that's what's required to do high keys

We had top prot wars running Into the Fray at least half of last season despite it being the objectively wrong choice. It was only when Andy started playing the correct talent that people switched.

[ionic fern]

That's not entierly true either as history has shown.

[warm plinth]

well

yeah

[cunning inlet]

So you expect me to read here that crit is better, but the majority of the PWars on page one of the leader boards are not using a crit heavy builds. You know how that looks right.

[ionic fern]

It more comes down to that they are playing with people who they have been playing together with forever and who know their classes.

[warm plinth]

As a tank, it's not always true. But the tank can typically be carried harder than the rest of the group

[ionic fern]

Yes, we know. It's been a debate for countless expansions.

🙂

[warm plinth]

I don't care what you do

[ionic fern]

And we also know it's a useless debate..we are here just to provide information.

[cunning inlet]

lol

[ionic fern]

What you do with it is up to you.

[warm plinth]

Read here, read there, make your own decision. You're the one playing your character, not me.

I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to tell you what I would do based on the information I have. If you choose not to do the same, then knock yourself out.

[crude notch]

#1 Logged out in fury
#2 Favors Crit/Haste.
#3 Favors Haste/Vers
#4 Favors Haste/Vers
#5 Favors Haste/Vers
#6 Has a nice mix of everything.
#7 Favors Crit/Haste
#8 Favors Haste/Vers
#9 Logged out in Arms
#10 Favors Crit/Haste

Idk chief

Not as conclusive as you made it sound

He's picking and choosing.

[cunning inlet]

How many are running crit heavy ?

[crude notch]

Uh?

Did you not just read?

6 people of 10 aren't running haste/vers heavy or they logged out in a dps spec.

This almost further pushes the... "It doesn't really matter" case.

[warm plinth]

Yerp, which is why generally if someone has already made all haste/vers shit, we don't tell them to go recraft it. We say "it's fine"

[warm plinth]

that's pretty well-written

[cunning inlet]

Yup

[crude notch]

Deeper math

[warm plinth]

I just had my worst shadow priest performance of the season I think

I'm the best priest in the world, basically

[crude notch]

People like vers for one reason and one reason only and that's because reading "reduces damage by X%" triggers more in our simple brains than "increases your parry/dodge chance by X%"

[cunning inlet]

pfffff

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[opaque quest]

I like vers for bleeds but thats about it

[warm plinth]

That is the correct response Jawor

Bleeds can almost universally be parried, so you could also just parry it and not take damage at all, instead of take 10% less damage from it

[opaque quest]

Cant parry the NL bleed. Im running crit too just saying

[warm plinth]

NL bleed?

[opaque quest]

Vileshard hulk

[warm plinth]

That's not a bleed

[opaque quest]

Holy fuck its naturel ol

[hardy snow]

its similar to azure vaults shards

just different type of magic and smaller mob size

[warm plinth]

Kinda miss the NL hulks having counterplay 😢

[cunning inlet]

Leap

[crude notch]

If sense can live 30 fort hulks with 5% vers, you can live your weekly 20 fort hulk with probably the unnecessary amount you have.

[opaque quest]

American reading comprehension again

[opaque quest]

.

[crude notch]

that wasn't specifically for you mate

stop thinking everything is about you chief

[warm plinth]

hey man, it's not our fault education is our government's lowest priority besides helping people not starve 😭

[crude notch]

I also didn't learn how to read in America. lol

[opaque quest]

Thats fair i guess

[crude notch]

So nice try pumpkin

[warm plinth]

I think I am going to go lay down. You folks have a fantastic morning. Love you all.

[opaque quest]

gn gn

[mortal dagger]

Outrange

[crude notch]

yeah just outrange the 100 yd cast

[mortal dagger]

U don't have leap I see:)

[crude notch]

You can't leap 100 yds

Holy shit

If you're honestly trying to outrange by 100 yds you're full int'ing

[cunning inlet]

You dont need to. You leap and run about 5 steps. You can watch sence do it on youtube.

[mortal dagger]

Why u re arguing mate

Yes, it s not inting

[cunning inlet]

Are any of you aliance w/ blacksmithing ? Am trying to get a sword made.

[crude notch]

He leaped on the 3rd one because he was out of CDs, yes. I watched the video you nonces.

That doesn't mean suggest to people to do it.

[mortal dagger]

That's literally does

[crude notch]

That is literally only shit you have to do on 30+

[mortal dagger]

U never want to take nuke b4 hard dot on u

[crude notch]

Bro

The ONLY

ONLY

reason he leaped was because he was out of CDs and Sac was on CD

That's it

[mortal dagger]

????????

U ltrlty pooped urslf and thn wrote basic thing

[crude notch]

He Walled 1st, He Sac'd 2nd, He Jumped 3rd, He walled 4th and the shard never got 5th off.

And there's people that have lived it on +31s without leaping

[cunning inlet]

Point is, its a counter play.... and why resort to insults ?

[mortal dagger]

Why u still typing about it

[crude notch]

Because I can type all I want

Who tf do you think you are?

[cunning inlet]

Sheesh.... good luck to you

[crude notch]

The i can type all i want was to kaban

[mortal dagger]

🙂

[crude notch]

It's a counter play sure but don't go randomly thinking you need to do it in 99.9% of keys

Never doing the key is also a counterplay.

Playing with 2 HPals is also a counterplay.

What Ghash was referring to was you used to be able to stop it in Legion.

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[jaunty canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/evanandkatelyn-scared-run-away-scared-group-scramble-gif-12544863

[crude notch]

Oh y'know, swearing that sense is wrong for going 5% vers, but thinking you need to leap piecing shards in a +20.

[strong forum]

Git gud

[mortal dagger]

Ig it's better to die if u fked up ur cds in 20s thn leap

In ur opinion

[crude notch]

Or don't fuck up your cds?

Like Nome said

git gud

I beg you to do that in a pug and film the results

[mortal dagger]

But ig if u re doing 20s u re not the best in pressing buttons

[crude notch]

Please don't leap in 20s.

If you're doing 20s as PUSH and you're not the best at pressing buttons, why are you gonna suggest people to leap out of range?

[mortal dagger]

Basically to survive??????

[crude notch]

You know what's gonna happen in a pug right?

[trim bay]

Hahaha

This is how good I am. Didn't even know you could leap out of piercing. I would leap into group and then press rally

Have done it higher than a 22 but it's slightly uncomfortable.

[pine storm]

I believe the point here is: rather then trying to implement key level 30 tactics to fix your opsies in 20s, try to actually fix your opsies in the first place 😄

[lavish sphinx]

That was a fun read lol

[crude notch]

If Naowh doesn't leap out of it and he uses a rotationbot, a gigachad like myself doesn't need to leap out of it.

[mortal dagger]

Ye but how u can fix opsie in key if alrdy did it, they point is to not deplete the key if u fked up

[strong forum]

That's why the depletion system is garbage

You only get 1 shot

Unless you spend an ungodly amount of time spamming keys

[mortal dagger]

TR FeelsGoodMan

[hardy snow]

thats main reason why I dont like pushing further than +20

[jaunty canopy]

holy shit, someone else besides me said something like this? lol

[strong forum]

Lots of people think that

[mortal dagger]

Lots of lot

[hardy snow]

it would be much better if you could just practice and push your key, and deplete at will if you decide its too high

[mortal dagger]

Homework is shit

[jaunty canopy]

When ever I bring it up from time to time, I usually hear the opsite, how it would take everything away from m+, but its like, this one shot to time the key, is what causes a large amount of the meta focus. Why would you take the class barely anyone plays? its an unknown, they may do great but you wont risk it.

[crude notch]

I've never heard anyone fight FOR the depletion system

[opaque quest]

But then you dont pay a sub to push your key up again for 10 hours a day

[hardy snow]

I dont do that anyway, I know there are people that likes to hardpush keys, but without this stupid depletion they would be able to push anyway, they wont lose anything.

[opaque quest]

Me neither but i guess there are ppl. Probably a dps problem

As a tank we get invited anyways

[lime urchin]

Where do I sign up for this?

Oh wait I don’t play anymore ☹️

[lavish sphinx]

Keeps depleting is Blizzard keeping us on the treadmill

[crude notch]

Really isn't

[prisma phoenix]

How about instead of deplete, you get a point breakdown after each completed dungeon, similar to torghast? More points for specific trash mobs, points for not getting hit by boss mechanics, points for using utility, etc. And what if all 5 players had different points at the end of the dungeon based on their personal performance

[median tulip]

random vault option question: Inexorable Resonator is bad, right?

[strong forum]

It's the worst trinket in wow history since m+ came out

[median tulip]

Wow, worse than Bladedancer's Armour Kit? That's really going some. Thought as much, thanks for confirmation.

[strong forum]

It has stamina and an effect that is worth less than 1k dps and hps

Blade dancer had str

[sick sentinel]

Tank trinkets that attempt to heal tanks are weird

[jaunty jacinth]

Hey, i'm a BDK main and been playing on my prot recently and i seem to have trouble surviving bleeds. Pretty sure i'm using my buttons good enough. Should the healer handle it or is it a me thing?

[sick sentinel]

Cuz if you need healing is extremely binary

[median tulip]

Is this in the context of the Chomping Basilisks in Ulda?

[jaunty jacinth]

Last time i struggled on the bleeds from NL's first pull

[jaunty jacinth]

The scorpions and the frontals from the big guy

[median tulip]

You can skip that big rock dude

Bleeds are generally unpleasant for us. Either bring an Evoker to remove them, or be a Dorf

[jaunty jacinth]

So you mean Prots cannot tank that shit? 😄

Yea thats what i';m wondering

So it's normal to struggle on bleeds and count on ur healer as prot then?

[median tulip]

I've never had a problem staying alive during the fight. What usually kills me is that the enemies die and then I keel over because I have nothing to Rage Gen on for Ignore Pain, nor use Impending Victory on

[median tulip]

Yeh. It's only a puill here or there. Ulda is the worst, with the Basilisks and the Refti

[jaunty jacinth]

Those two are easy to handle, u just side step. but the ones that are not skippable hurt.

Kinda sucks to rely on a healer to survive such situations :<
pugs would be a nightmare as prot

[median tulip]

pugs are just generally a nightmare no matter what

[jaunty jacinth]

Agreed.

[lavish sphinx]

Gotta kite the shit out of ULD and pull out all the stops/ stuns

[opaque quest]

When i pull crocs i just run back to the entrance

Ppl wont use stuns for me

Dont rely on it. Pointless

[median tulip]

16s are probably harder than 21s, because of the people

When I was crest farming I had one really good party in like 20 dungeons

That party did this, though:

[sick sentinel]

17s are the best key to run imo

chance at hero track gear

[median tulip]

I don't care about gear that can't be 447

[sick sentinel]

true, but you cant force 447s out of dungeons end of dungeon

only 441

[median tulip]

I was getting crests to craft my last 447

The only slots I don't have 447 in are my trinkets (Anvil/OCE)

[sick sentinel]

yeah in ohnest to god in same boat

minus that i could save 4 and get two 2h weapons for fury

so, max id need 6

[median tulip]

I don't like Fury

I don't like Arms either this expansion

[warm plinth]

Not liking fury 😢

It's so fun though!

I will give you some of my fun, then you can like it

And I'll still have plenty

[dusky canopy]

Arms gamer

[sick sentinel]

next week

i will likely take another spark, and then that'd be 2 447 trinkets, so i'd be 447 equipped i guess is a thing

[dusky canopy]

I’m missing trinkets, 1 ring, & helm myself

Crafted gear can’t be used at catalyst right?

[sick sentinel]

not for set gear last i checked

[dusky canopy]

Rip

[sick sentinel]

would make too much sense and be fun and or overpowered

CANT HAVE THAT

[opaque quest]

Same boat here. Spamming raging blow is beyond stupid

[median tulip]

I was always Arms when I had to DPS. But in DF... IDK man, it's just not fun. I especially don't like the complete railroad into Bladestorm, which is a skill I've always hated.

[dusky canopy]

Bro try the skull splitter build for M+

Don’t rune blademasters torment

Run the reck talent

[sick sentinel]

HEY PAUL!!!

[dusky canopy]

Double blade storm build sucks balls

To much spinning

Not enough winning

[opaque quest]

I want heroic strike back in place of IP at least

With no CD

[dusky canopy]

As a way to prevent rage cap I’d be ok with that

[median tulip]

I just really dislike abilities that remove my control of my character

anyway, not the dicussion for this channel

[opaque quest]

Most of the discussions here are pointless anyways. One more doesnt matter

[dusky canopy]

It doesn’t matter we literally talk about food and exercise here

Just don’t let mwahi catch us he’ll crack the whip sometimes LOL

But we like mwahi

[median tulip]

I think I've DPS'd one key and 3 HC bosses so far in DF, total. Easy enough to stick with tanking

[opaque quest]

Im dpsing in raids and tanking keys so far

[median tulip]

Oh that gif is too fast and hurts my eyes

[opaque quest]

No bladestorm in raids = good

[median tulip]

thanks

[dusky canopy]

I will admit though legion arms was the absolute best

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVlLOtE5qfw am become time lord

[dusky canopy]

Hopium we get closer to that again someday

[sick sentinel]

7200 haste with crit weapon rune

[opaque quest]

I see a phial for 800 haste tho

[median tulip]

I got up into those numbers and ended up switching my OCE into Vers, because my sims were screaming for more Vers for DPS

[sick sentinel]

also up to 80x8 haste stacks additional 640

[opaque quest]

80x8? I dont get it

What am i missing

[sick sentinel]

hour glass trinket gives 80hatex8 stacks (says 100 but DR's)

[opaque quest]

Was it stacked? I dont see the buff on your bar

[sick sentinel]

it wasn't i should lol

[opaque quest]

Time to hit a dummy

[sick sentinel]

8 stacks

[opaque quest]

Neat

Ofc ma holy pala has an anvil before my warrior f me

And i dont even play ret but nobody wanted it

sadge

[dusky canopy]

Man I got to experience Rashok last night for the first time with my guild doing re clears of the first 7 bosses and I must say.. I super dig that fight, It is so good!

[lusty tiger]

🤔

I was thinking echo

Mb

[dusky canopy]

Nah homie the whole Rashok fight

It’s totally my favorite so far

I still have to experience sark as well

But I’m betting Rashok wins for me

It’s super good

[lusty tiger]

It is cool

It has a dope thematic

[dusky canopy]

@dooteranopia Whoever this guy is, he’s such a cool dude!

[tall tusk]

[waxen frigate]

Easily best fight of the tier

Not quite sludgefist tier but same concept executed well

[opaque quest]

Wtf just happened

[gloomy vortex]

Looking for a decent route for NL around 22/24 mark, both fortified and tyr.. any suggestions?

[uneven mason]

Press W

Hope your clothes can sidestep avalanche

[sullen gust]

Not home rn so can't post my usual route but I skip the first section and grab some crocs to make up count

Big pull at the start and then basically follow the basic rule of don't pull more than 1 breaker at a time and don't pull more than 2 throwers

[warm plinth]

[echo egret]

Including the Hulk ?

[sullen gust]

No sorry I should have been clearer

I hate the hulk cos of the bleed

I pull all the trash up to there and the basilisk on the left

Or croc whatever its called

Then skip the hulk by going through the river

[median tulip]

There are 3 of the basilisks in the water

[sullen gust]

The one on its own on the left just before the hulk

[strong forum]

yeah thats old NL route

where you pull most of the beginning but skip the hulk and instead go into the water

[median tulip]

The Hulk is kinda inefficient. It's not unkillable though

[strong forum]

it is a hugely efficient pull

but not needed on middling keys

like you can time prolly like up to 26 without that pull

maybe even higher

timer on NL is really not a contraint

[warm plinth]

Why do people think piercing shards is a bleed 👀

[strong forum]

does it matter

i guess it does for spellblocking the initial hit

but people usally only talk about the dot portion

[warm plinth]

Yeah but you can remove bleeds with certain things

Not so with that

[strong forum]

ye ig

[echo egret]

Uldaman tyrannical.
When do you hero ?

Trash+hero, boss1, boss 2, boss 3 with hero
or Trash, Boss 2 with hero, boss 1, boss 3 without hero

[dusky canopy]

We don’t hero?

[strong forum]

imagine not using hero

smh

[warm plinth]

first pull, snakey boi, emberon, last boss probably?

[dusky canopy]

Nomes playing 11.0 warrior that has bloodlust

[strong forum]

11.0 warrior waiting room

[dusky canopy]

“Vigorous Rage” if you will

That’s our lust name

[echo egret]

Is there 10 mins between Talondrus and Emberon ?

[warm plinth]

Probably not but you would potentially get lust back for the end of Emberon depending on the key level

Getting lust anywhere during that fight is probably for the better since if you can skip an intermission, it's a big time save

[strong forum]

below 10% hp i think he doesnt enter intermission anymore

10 or 20%

cant remember

[warm plinth]

If you don't do that, which on anything but a really high key you probably couldn't anyway

Then I guess you could do like

first pull, Talondras, Deios?

You'd lose a cast but idk how ilke

first pull, Talndras, Deios?

Okay discord

thanks for repeating that for me

[echo egret]

And is hero on Emberon worth not having it for the trogg guy ?

[warm plinth]

Well you definitely want lust on Talondras

I guess you could do Bromach>Talondras>Deios

But I don't see how you don't lose a lust on tyrannical unless it's a giga high key

unless you just use it in shit places

That assumes you're doing Bromach as first boss ofc

[echo egret]

Well you only do him 1st if you hero him

[warm plinth]

right, that's what I mean

[echo egret]

Or if you want to check your pug fast 🙂

[warm plinth]

Bromach>Talondras>Deios only works if you do Bromach first

Otherwise it won't be back for Talondras

If you lust Talondras, which you obviously need to do on tyrannical, I don't think you have enough time to get another lust in before Deios without not having it for Deios

[echo egret]

I never thought Talondras was such a pain actually

But that's from my tank point of view ofc

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, you take 0 damage on that fight as the tank XD

[quick garden]

chat i just got 4pc when am i supposed to use last stand

[warm plinth]

It's the group that's getting wrecked

On CD

[quick garden]

just off rip, instantly?

[strong forum]

ye

[quick garden]

alright

ty

[strong forum]

4pc is one of your biggest dmg buffs

you want to have it as often as possible

[torpid fiber]

That fight is a healers nightmare on tyran

[sick sentinel]

only downside to giga sized mouse pointer its opaque 😦

cant read text behind it

[undone verge]

alright bois, and gals, and everything in between, we're recrafting gear again going back to fury 🫡

[lusty tiger]

🫡

[long bone]

Why? What happened

[crude notch]

I left the wrong discord

I back

[tropic gorge]

fyi guys, armored core 6 is fucking awesome

carry on ❤️

[kind urchin]

So, my guild is progging mythic experiments right now. I'm doing fine tanking it but anyone got any pointers for that fight overall so people don't die so much?

[cinder nova]

Yogi there's a screenshot button on every OS you could use

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

Also, don't upload phone photos onto the internet... there's EXIF data people can use to dox you

[warm plinth]

It took your boost role color D:

[sick sentinel]

thats where you are wrong sadly

hold on

it doesn't capture my cursor by default

[warm plinth]

Yeah, WoW screenshots and snipping tool don't capture your cursor

[crude notch]

😮 how are people supposed to remember I'm superior to them?

[warm plinth]

Idk 😦

[warm plinth]

I will spread your legacy

[crude notch]

There

bow before me peasants

[sick sentinel]

the point of taking a physical picture of it was to showcase it, i could have done it in outplayed i guess tioo

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-erratic-schizophrenic-mood-swings-gif-24784582

[sick sentinel]

im still way more afraid of the gman

in any form, you see his likeness in other movies and games, the lawyer from american pyscho could be considered one

[tranquil drift]

am I the only one that think Rallying cry should get a 5 man content buff?

It's the only way I have to help people and it's so weak :x

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

[tranquil drift]

[strong forum]

as a defensive group CD

its literally the most useful out of any tanks

[crude notch]

[lusty grotto]

while i dont disagree

mark of the wild is pretty damn good too

strictly speaking group wide

[crude notch]

Tanks bad kekw https://vxtwitter.com/bansheeirl/status/1696828744919371939?s=20

[lusty grotto]

cause sac is a thing

[strong forum]

sac aint a group CD

[lusty grotto]

😱

yeah thats why i said

[strong forum]

like BDK and VDH straight up offer practically 0 group defensives

[lusty grotto]

strictly speaking group wide those are i guess the only 2?

motw and rally

[strong forum]

motw is not a cd

:squint:

its... just a 3% vers buff

[lusty grotto]

right

[strong forum]

the only group CDs tanks have

are AMZ, Darkness and Rally

Darkness and AMZ are laughably useless for an overwhelming amount of time

[crude notch]

Yeah but whatshisfaceonsubcreation uses darkness

🙂

[lusty grotto]

🙃

[strong forum]

its better than nothing, but also not much more

and idk how much you need to sacrifice to get it

if you specifically want group saving properties or generally have more support properties

[lusty grotto]

i do miss safeguard though

[strong forum]

youd need to look into other classes cuz warrior just aint a supportish type tank

never has been

safeguard was half of sac on a 20sec CD

actually 75% of sac

on a 20sec CD

slightly broken

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i can see why it didnt make the cut

[cosmic vapor]

whats the good uptime % for dungeon overall for shield block?

[strong forum]

100%

realistically speaking however, 99%

[lusty grotto]

💯

[strong forum]

true 100% is almost impossible

[cosmic vapor]

lol thats nice we can do that much

[strong forum]

cuz you need to have SB up when the key already starts

yeah our talents give use SB uptime till no tomorrow

you need 3 out of the 4 SB talents to achieve 100% uptime without gaps

if you only play 2 of the 4 talents, even with current tierset, you will have mitigation gaps

[opaque quest]

I got something between 92 and 96 for most dungeons. If youre above 90 youre good

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

go for 90% +

[crude notch]

go for 120% or bad

[hollow scroll]

Critical shieldblock uptime ^

[kind urchin]

I do miss safeguard. It was so good.

200% or you're bad.

[cinder nova]

Imagine not having infinite block uptime in and out of combat

absolute dogshit players

[sick sentinel]

i got another rokmora shard

no 441 talisman ever

[timber nest]

how good is sandglass 😄

[strong forum]

One of the better trinkets out there

[sick sentinel]

is a health potion a combat potion

my assume is yes

[sacred urchin]

Health pots and combat potions have separate cooldowns

[crude notch]

Health is separate from combat

[sacred urchin]

So no

[sick sentinel]

well, someone said mana potions work on alch stone

figured maybe they share same potion type, and then hp gets affected, be good to have hp potion every 4 minutes instead of 5, or power potion less than that

[crude notch]

Mana pots are shared with combat pots.

[austere lava]

both thunderfury bindings just dropped for me on an alt

think i need to change my undies

[sick sentinel]

im goin up in there

[strong forum]

I hope this is out of context

Or a misunderstanding

[lavish sphinx]

Do you only get the quest once both bindings are looted? I just got the right-hand one

[strong forum]

Uuuh

I think so

[austere lava]

yes

[austere lava]

who, me?

[strong forum]

No I mean yogi

[austere lava]

oh, ok

lol

[strong forum]

You said you gotta switch your undies, and he said he's going up in there

[austere lava]

LOL

[strong forum]

Either funny coincidence, or really weird

[austere lava]

well, it is quite messy......

[sick sentinel]

no bindings

[austere lava]

stay persistent friend

[warm plinth]

Knowing yogi it is 100% out of context

He has his own conversation in here; we're just bystanders

[austere lava]

i was running out of hope, then they both dropped on my BM hunter of all my characters

[strong forum]

Yeah obv, but he meant going up into mc

That's the missing puzzle piece

[austere lava]

https://youtu.be/i3CelstYe5A?si=f6yG2jpLCrPEYTq6

[lavish sphinx]

Thanks mate

[austere lava]

np, hope linkin that isnt an issue with the powers that be

[warm plinth]

Links are fine as long as it's relevant to the discussion. Just can't randomly promote your youtube/twitch channel

Or if you're yogi, random doom videos

[austere lava]

lol, gotcha, now, catch me on my twitch @

🤣

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AkIfgioA4

this is the video that "im going up in there" come from

[jaunty canopy]

Anyone ever mess with using Sudden Death on Tyran weeks in keys?

[urban portal]

execute too nerfed for that

[warm plinth]

Yeah, not worth

[jaunty canopy]

Yeah could see that, I did some rough maths, and granted it was 23 freehold, but woulda been around 3% of my dmg from the talent, based on the ppm and the dmg it does, not factoring in the dmg loss from the other talents youd give up for it or missed procs during aoe. Like a 5% ish single taget gain

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think the main issue w/ it is that it basically doesn't do anything on trash

Though I guess youc ould use it at low target counts or as a prio button

[urban portal]

its still a dps loss vs revenge even at 2

is the main problem

[modern gazelle]

so on mythic echo, im having trouble with breaking walls cause they arent formed by time i get struck

i know HOW to position but the dps are breaking the wall and its still reforming by time i get hit so i end up having to go to a shitty spot and it drags me along wall

in the videos i saw dps didnt break walls, is that noraml?

[south zealot]

depends on the strat you use

dps dont have to break walls anymore

but if dps are breaking walls for your strat you break the wall next to it

[jaunty canopy]

I think your forgetting its free, 40 rage execute, I dont think its a dps loss vs 2 targets when revenge does,my took tip values 9k per target, so 18k (no 30% extra as it didnt hit 3 targets) for revenge vs 50k execute), woud be 4-5 targets where it breaks even no? /shrug

[urban portal]

revenge applies deep wounds and has other talent interactions

and it doesnt cost a talent point

and execute doesnt spend rage for AM

etc etc

[jaunty canopy]

Talent isnt really great, I agree with that 100% but your statements there seem like very non issues, and other than the talent points. I really dont see how execute is worse then revenge at 2 targets when its free.

Deep wounds doesn't have application dmg I don't think? I could be wrong, if it does then plays a part in its damage. If it doesnt, 15 sec long debuff, your not spamming execute, im sure the buff wouldn't fall off due to a random execute proc in small scale aoe, so deep wounds application seems weird to even mention for a reason why its better?

The rage also seems like a non issue for AM, as IP has its own gcd, if your raged capped you IP so unless your in mass scale aoe, for Bloodsurge to funnel rage to the point where IP isnt enough, and in this case you wouldnt be using execute anyways, as its not small scale aoe, so I dont think AM plays a part either.

The other only interaction I know off is resetting Shield slam but both skills do that

[warm plinth]

Could just sim a 2t patchwerk and see if it's casting Execute w/ sudden death talented

[violet flume]

wondered why my protpal did shit dps in m+.. had healer annulet ring and healer weapon kek

[warm plinth]

lolol

[jaunty canopy]

It does cast at 1 and 2 targets, and at 3 it stops, however Im not sure how much of a dps loss it would be, would have to write a sim override for it to see

[warm plinth]

I think you could also make a case for pressing it at 3 if it's like...for example the first pull after frog in HoI where it's a dragon + 2 others. Obviously dragon is higher health, so you could prio damage the dragon w/ procs

But I'm really not sure how much of a difference it would really make in the grand scheme of things

[ionic fern]

Nothing too fancy. Just copy the Execute lines from generic action list to the AoE one, which turns on at >=3 targets.

[jaunty canopy]

@ionic fern Thank you! thats very helpful 🙂

[primal rain]

Is stance dancing a thing?

[jaunty canopy]

In general, most poeple stay in battle stance and swap to defensive for big tank busters or if they feel they are in danger. However play what you feel is best for you.

[modern gazelle]

only for tank busters, huge pulls, and ulda i just sit in defense stance tbh for most of the dungeon

[modern gazelle]

what do they do if not break walls? just aim at the environment wall?

[south zealot]

yes

[modern gazelle]

is there any reason for them to break walls?

[south zealot]

depends on the strat you use

i think its just easier to break them

[modern gazelle]

mainly its just the first wall, i ended up acclimating okay, issue i noticed was just dps standing with short peak in mid rather than tall peak, so they break 4 walls

when that happened i just started breaking the corner instead

walls after that were easy

[jagged pier]

I dunno we used dps to break walls in P1 worked fine, but we killed it 2 night before the changes so i have no clue if that changes anything

[modern gazelle]

dps breaking wall is fine, i got used to it just had only seen the other strat before i started tonight so wasnt ready for their strat

its just the first wall we have dps breaking 4 casue they stand in wrong spot so its hard to position right to not slide along wall when i break. So now when they break 4 i just break the corner wall instead, makes it easier

[jagged pier]

just pull the boss to a spot so if the dps are perpendicualar like they should be they can only ever break one

[modern gazelle]

i started doing that and it helped most pulls, though sometimes they were standing like right int he middle of a short wall which always breaks multiple

either way though its not wiping us or anything i was just trying to get it perfected cause it is easy to replicate if done right

no sense waasting extra heals on extra walls broken

[hardy snow]

they should break wall in point where they have taller spike closer to the middle, so they will break only one, leaving you next one to break

and if they fuck up, best solution for tank is to break wall closes to the outer wall

you can try break something closer to middle, but charge is clunky and leap requires perfect timing

[modern gazelle]

Yeah they have that pic in their discord and I explained it again but some people don’t understand I don’t think. I did break the wall closest to the actual wall on the outside whenever multiple got broke cause otherwise it got wonky

[cinder nova]

Tell those apes to put their back up against it at that point.

It's so finicky if you don't line it up JUST RIGHT, but if you're already touching the collission of the wall it alleviates a lot of the sliding in that fight.

[hardy snow]

well, if dps players arent doing their mechanic properly, you cant do it for them, as tank we can only help with boss positioning (in this case move boss closer to wall that they should break, so they can easily position knockback perpendicularly to wall), but they still have to do their job 🤷‍♂️

[remote venture]

Sometimes you feel like a babysitter as a tank for the dps

[jagged pier]

ive asked to go dps so i can afk brain and let the tank carry me through fights

it probably wont happen

[long bone]

What do we set our loot spec for? On my BDK main I always set it to Unholy

[jagged pier]

depends on what u need

if u need a shield and 1hander prot

[long bone]

Prot = 1handers + shield - Arms = DPS trinkets?

[jagged pier]

if u need a 1 hander and dps trinkets fury

if u need dps trinkets arms

[long bone]

Nice - thanks

[sick sentinel]

The problem with protexecute build is there is in total 2 or 3 execute helping talents, my opinion is 80% execute suit should be deep in warrior main talents

Arms likes execute too, but if you ask me part of being q warrior is execute something

[hardy snow]

well, our talents for execute sucks, sudden death isnt that strong, juggernaut replaces punish, so its not worth taking, and massacre replaces enduring defenses, which can also end pretty bad if you drop that (maybe not with current tier and bolster, but still its some risk for not that much gain)

if only we could have proper condemn

[strong forum]

Execute talents would be good for raid if sudden death had higher proc rate

[sick sentinel]

condemn in the dead middle of warrior main tree

[strong forum]

So you could stack juggernaut up to max stacks before execute phase with just sudden death

then it'd be a potential dps gain

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnxO6s41Gc8 i also want it for the violence aspect

rip some heads off, i feel like its things all warriors want to do

[opaque quest]

Peace is the noblest of aspirations. I only rip heads if i have to

Or for some loot cause loot

[hazy bronze]

Both execute and shield slam have satisfying sound effects

Ka-chunk, and hitting a lunch tray against a wall

[sick sentinel]

wtf is a diamonds

in att

clearly isnt 100%

[hazy bronze]

Means a currency

[sick sentinel]

fuck ok

[hazy bronze]

I think their word for it is "dynamic group?"

[median tulip]

I think this means my stats are in a good balance

[pale roost]

why do all say prot warrior are so bad? are they realy? was thinking of picking mine up from last expansion. but friends tells me they are the worst atm

[strong forum]

cuz its not #1

if its not #1 its trash

[pale roost]

ah ok

[strong forum]

aside from bear being meta pick rn, theres borderline no difference between the rest

[jagged pier]

only 2 key levels behind druid same as all the other tanks

must be garbage

and all we've had are buffs this season

from when we were apprently rank1

[sick sentinel]

further more, we could be second place, and we would still be "garbage"

[jagged pier]

yes

SLs season 3&4

[strong forum]

^

or last season

[median tulip]

The people who say those kinds of thing as usually the people who play the meta pick but don't actually know how to play the class

[sick sentinel]

i never ever want to run legion kara keys again

either one of thme

all of the bosses

the entire thing, screw it, hated it

[jagged pier]

no worse they are ppl that believe tier lists

[median tulip]

I didn't mind Kara keys TBH

[sick sentinel]

they gave me the most trouble by far

[median tulip]

I'm reserving all of my "Why the fuck did they bring this fucking key back" for the inevitable future return of Plaguefall

[strong forum]

i enjoyed SL s3/s4... 5tank was fun

[sick sentinel]

wasn't even remotely close, workshop can be complicated but its fun at least

[jagged pier]

i miss 5 tank

and i barely joined them

[strong forum]

i tried to get some peeps back but to no avail

[sick sentinel]

if they ever put back in plague fall i am quitting for the entire season or not running that dungeon

[jagged pier]

u didnt ask me (even tho im not a m+ player)

and 2 warriors is kinda meh

[sick sentinel]

i will never ever again run PF

[jagged pier]

5 tank only time outside of legion where i enjoyed m+

[sick sentinel]

sanguine depths kinda sucks too

[strong forum]

well i'd obv ask the main peeps first

[dusky canopy]

Yo totally off topic, any AMD users by chance?
I’m curious how well the Smart Access Memory boosts fps in wow

[median tulip]

Sanguine Depths was a dungeon that would violently reject DPS that didn't know how to Defensive, but it wasn't particularly hard to tank

[long bone]

Guys lets say I drop down Ravager and pop Avatar, will my Ravager increase or stay the same cause I cast it BEFORE Avatar?

[sick sentinel]

if blizzard puts PF and SD back in the game, i will not play, period. end of discussion. I refuse. my money, my time, my choice of game.

i hate them so much

[jagged pier]

ye im only playing but i would come if u asked far more intersting m+ that way

[jagged pier]

it will increase

u should drop it before

[long bone]

Thank you 🙂

[jagged pier]

u will miss 1 tick without the damage buff

[median tulip]

There's no snapshotting anymore

[sick sentinel]

the end of SD on fort was a nightmare

[jagged pier]

which is sad

snapshotting was fun

[sick sentinel]

it was so horrible trying to get down that long hallway

[strong forum]

miss snapping

[sick sentinel]

and the trash at the bridge

huge no from me

[jagged pier]

yer snapping i dont actually like a gameplay thing

[long bone]

The wowhead guide says to use Avatar first though

[jagged pier]

snapshotting buffs and stats great run

[median tulip]

It was only an issue on Sanguine or Bolstering weeks IMO

[sick sentinel]

the ghosts made it bad too

lots of affixes that made that key not enjoyable, necrotic

[jagged pier]

of course it does because guides are a starter point and dont go into the min maxy stuff, and just gives u the base of information to get started with

[median tulip]

There's literally no reason not to push Avatar on cooldown

[sick sentinel]

necrotic wake wasn't a very fun dungeon to run either

i didn't think so at least, those caster dudes after first boss

[median tulip]

The Miniboss that everyone just skipped?

fuck that dude

[sick sentinel]

i didnt enjoy that key at all

[median tulip]

Best SL keys were ToP and Streets

[jagged pier]

no

[median tulip]

yes

[sick sentinel]

spires was good, sometimes

no not SD is that one im thinking of halls of attonment

that place is far worse

[median tulip]

Halls was just dull

[sick sentinel]

i didn't like running those dungeons lol, but that's jsut me

[median tulip]

DOS was basically "Did you survive the first platform? OK, free key" on Fort weeks

Mists was murder on Tyr

[sick sentinel]

dungeons were just over tuned in general is my opinion

way too much dmg

[waxen frigate]

And then on tyrannical you were literally fighting god

[waxen frigate]

Halls was one of the best keys in SL

[median tulip]

It was boring AF

[waxen frigate]

ToP Aintnoway

[sick sentinel]

i hated it so much it gave me lots of trouble

[hardy snow]

I liked ToP as well

[waxen frigate]

Y’all are masochists top sucked

[median tulip]

ToP was great. Entire key that couldn't touch me.

[sick sentinel]

theatre was hard due to people not knowing and not asking about release vs wait on rez for platforms section

[median tulip]

The biggest problem in ToP was ensuring that your party stood in melee for the little jumping bastards

[waxen frigate]

Streets had its moments but I didn’t like the bosses

I preferred gambit

[sick sentinel]

the hard part about theatre was just having group with brains

[median tulip]

Opposite for me: I disliked the gambit bosses (esp the Dragon)

[strong forum]

best SL key was lower kara post fixes

[sick sentinel]

final boss of gambit destroyed our groups many times

thats all i remember

[strong forum]

mists was also good

halls was dogshit, SD was dogshit

[median tulip]

Mists on Fort was great. On Tyr it was horrid

[strong forum]

NW was dogshit

PF was dogshit

dos was dogshit

top was boring af

[sick sentinel]

if i HAD to run 2 dungeons from SL taht wasnt mega, theatre or spires, it would be SD or PF

DOS, NW, halls, nop,e im quittin

[median tulip]

@strong forum Spires?

[strong forum]

whack

also not a fun key

[jagged pier]

mists

[sick sentinel]

no way, spires was really good

pain in the ass key sometimes

[strong forum]

theres no big pulls you could do besides first pull

and then its just 1 pack gaming

😴

[median tulip]

The thing I didn't like about Spires was that 3 of the bosses were really very samey. Not a lot of variety going on in that key.

[lusty tiger]

Pf should be deleted from the game

Frick that dungeon

[sick sentinel]

second boss of spires is a complete and utter joke to me now

i would never ever wipe besids a 20 key

tyranical

[lusty tiger]

Spires was a PITA

I liked top

[strong forum]

halls pretended to be an open dungeon where you couldnt do less than 60% count before even spawning first boss, you proceeded to get 83% count before even going to 2nd boss and then it was 3 bosses back to back to back almost

whilst also skipping immense amount of trash between 1st and 2nd boss cuz its just bad trash

[median tulip]

1st, second and last were all "this boss dashes someplace, and puts some dangerous stuff on the floor"
The last had the safe place mechanics on top, but otherwise they were pretty much the same fight

[sick sentinel]

halls had the enraging hunter bears that did a bleed

fuck those guys

[median tulip]

Yeah, that's what I disliked. Nokhud Offensive is the same gameplan.

[lusty tiger]

I just hated the”dodge things in the ground/kite dogs packs” in halls on the inside parts

On sanguine weeks it was total cancer

[lucid holly]

Halls was a lot more fun the higher key lvl you went up to. Trying double shard first pulls or some of the giga strats made that place a lot more fun to me. But as soon as you got to first boss it just sucked. None of those bosses were enjoyable

[lusty tiger]

kyrian bdk kinda owned in halls

[echo egret]

I finally got a Mark of Dargrul 441. Other 441s are Anvil and Grapnel. which of them do I replace ? M+ mainly.

(I don't have any 447 and I have a 437 beacon)

[crude notch]

Unless you got dragon*

[plush tendon]

Mark and Anvil. Can replace either for Beacon when needed (Beacon good for last boss BH or wherever you need on demand damage).

[south zealot]

worst key was lower kara pre fixes

[strong forum]

it was so overtuned

[south zealot]

first 3 weeks were incredible

im pretty sure one of the first 3 weeks noone even did like an 18 or higher

[dusky canopy]

Still to this day for me, I think the coolest MDI pull was triple shard in SL Halls

[south zealot]

definitely the coolest but wasnt it literally equal speed as double

[strong forum]

Was no time gain at all cuz the setup took so long

And just riskier

[crude notch]

Hmm... I'm trying to think what would be the coolest MDI pull in history.

[lusty tiger]

Obv the kings rest 2x udk 1mil dps snap pull

[crude notch]

• The AD stuff with Rezan was pretty sick even if it was just snapping.
• Triple shard
• Watching teams 4-person FH would've been hilarious albeit eventually boring.
• Big fan of the pulls onto pig boss in WCM because of UHDK

[south zealot]

ye rezan and the fat guy in wcm were pretty cool

[lusty tiger]

Ooo the WCM one is sick

[south zealot]

the trash just gets OBLITERATED immediately

[crude notch]

I'd have to go back and rewatch Legion MDI. I forget mostly all of it.

Except the reverse sweep

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=903Vv0B1p0g

ZUG ZUG

nerf frost mage

[south zealot]

@crude notch

[crude notch]

Lol

I was curious what the others thought.

[strong forum]

Deswinds legacy still living on with the atal pull

[lusty grotto]

[crude notch]

"Method NA doing lower kara pull onto Attumen" that's gonna require the old YouTube MDI vods

[strong forum]

Back when that room wasn't dangerous at all for some reason

And you just balaast everything

[crude notch]

Oh I remember it now yeah

"WCM Courtyard snap" is that the one where people would sneakily pull Soulbound without the two witches and then pull basically everything else in the courtyard plus some hallway stuff?

[lusty grotto]

well the fountain had a snap point too

but yeah

so it could be either or

[crude notch]

And the MW would stand in the fountain spinning so that nothing jumped

I just remember JB standing in a fountain spinning. I don't remember the actual pull. Me dum.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

its interesting how snapping was everywhere in BFA and then it kinda stop being a thing

i remember SL snaps were very few, NW had the one people used in MDI

[lusty tiger]

Snapping made tanking actually fun

[lusty grotto]

i suppose we still kind of have a snap now in Nelth

but its not the same heh

[lusty tiger]

I want it everywhere like in bfa

[crude notch]

Yeah a lot of mobs will just reset now. They did it intentionally.

[lusty tiger]

Typically blizzard killing our fun

[crude notch]

It's the whole entry barrier thing.

[lusty tiger]

No waay

[lusty grotto]

i guess it makes sense

[lusty tiger]

The entry barrier is so much higher now

[south zealot]

i dont like snapping

[crude notch]

I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying the reason they did it was because the difference between snapping and not snapping was pretty wild in BfA

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that's true

[lusty tiger]

But you could say that about so many other things in the game, like enchants, correct embellishments, correct secondary stat priorities etc

[crude notch]

...

[lusty tiger]

Correct boss or mob positioning(85% mobs having cleave in df s1)

[crude notch]

You didn't just compare snapping to correct enchants

[dusky canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/crusty-crawler-mount-september-2023-monthly-reward-for-completing-travelers-log-334764?webhook

[lusty tiger]

I did

[dusky canopy]

Fuck yes dude

[south zealot]

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[crude notch]

The difference between a bad enchant is no where near the impact of snapping v not snapping.

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been wanting the crab forever just couldn’t be bothered to do all the requirements for it

[south zealot]

that is probably the only thing you couldve said in that position to make me 100% convinced you have 0 clue what youre talking about

like not even a little idea

[lusty tiger]

It’s literally jumping on a piece of terrain, you learn to do it just like you learn to need to be fully enchanted

[lusty grotto]

but i have nazjatar mount 😢

[dusky canopy]

The red is still better don’t worry

At least I get something

[lusty grotto]

[crude notch]

Yeah nim your crabs is still better than getting it from the trading post

[long bone]

For embellishments: Frostfire > Shadowflame Patch > Lariat, yeah?

[dusky canopy]

Why are we debating snapshotting

Someone give me the tldr

[lusty tiger]

I just don’t think it’s that big of a barrier to entry

You find where and when to do it just like any other part of the game

It is not complicated

[crude notch]

We were having a friendly discussion about best pulls in MDI history

[dusky canopy]

Oh word the thing I started

[lusty grotto]

theres no better than its either 2x shadowflame or 1x shadowflame + unstable frostfire

either is fine

[crude notch]

You'll go frostfire + Shadowflame or double Shadowflame...

Dangit nim

[dusky canopy]

So it’s derailed into enchants how?

Lmao

[crude notch]

Jeree thinks snapping and enchants are the same

[lusty tiger]

@dusky canopy

[long bone]

OK cool. Ditching Lariat 😄 I do have Frostfire, so does it matter if i put Shadowflame on my shield?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

[lusty tiger]

Ok gaslighter lol

[crude notch]

Despite you know snapping actually breaking code

[lusty grotto]

shield is fine

[long bone]

Thanks!!

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

I never said they’re the same I compared them

[dusky canopy]

Man’s wildin

[lusty tiger]

Because it’s just learning things about the game that make it play more smooth

[dusky canopy]

Can’t wait for my snapping enchant

[brittle owl]

can't break something broken already

[lusty tiger]

Well the thing with snapping is it is free

[dusky canopy]

“All mobs snap to you if you have this enchant on your main hand” only active for tank specializations

[brittle owl]

snapping is a crutch

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

Snapping is a crutch that’s why it is so fun

[crude notch]

Uh

You never been on crutches, ain't nothing fun about it

[dusky canopy]

Snapping mobs is cleaver use of game mechanics

[lusty tiger]

I have…

[dusky canopy]

Where you been bro?

[lusty tiger]

No reason to remove snapping because of a barrier for entry level players

Is my case

[crude notch]

Yeah that's the discussion the difference of snapping and not snapping in BfA was wild.

Then Jeree said it's the same as enchants.

[lusty tiger]

No I didn’t

[crude notch]

You literally did

[lusty tiger]

RIP your nonfunctional brain

[dusky canopy]

Hmm, I’d have to give it more thought to give a thorough opinion however my initial thought right now would be no snapping would be better over all imo

It is kinda goofy tech

Albeit cool to watch in MDI for example

When they snap 40 things onto a boss

And Jeree

It is in no way related to enchants

[crude notch]

Just in case you forgot what you said

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[lusty tiger]

I compared them

I never said they were the same

[crude notch]

Naowh was showing JB all the stuff admins told them they couldn't do for TGP.

I think TGP should be a no rules anything goes spectacle.

[dusky canopy]

To my understanding, the intent was:
Snapping vs not snapping

Correct enchants vs incorrect enchants

Yes?

[crude notch]

You likened snapping to correct enchants.

[lusty tiger]

No

They are equal in terms of a barrier to entry

As in

[crude notch]

That's likening

[lusty tiger]

Jordan

[crude notch]

You literally used the word equal

[lusty tiger]

Shut the fuck up you little shit

[crude notch]

Look at what Brew said

And look at what you said

[dusky canopy]

Hard agree with that, it’s fun to watch that sort of thing in tournaments

[lusty tiger]

I will never believe you are “the nicest person” irl

You’re a piece of shit

[crude notch]

You took the equal sign from Brew's statement

[tall tusk]

[crude notch]

And made it the actual word

[dusky canopy]

Fact: you’re older than you were 5 seconds ago
Fiction: Snapping is equivalent to enchants

[sick sentinel]

caption: when dps learn to kick in keys

[dusky canopy]

I think I get what he’s trying to say
Just having fun

[crude notch]

Yeah he's trying to say they're both just barriers of entry. But like not even remotely on the same level.

[dusky canopy]

Lol true true

[crude notch]

Like bad enchants aren't preventing you from timing a 30 AD. Bad snapping will.

[dusky canopy]

Bro pepo’s got a total babe in the whip!

Let’s goooo

[crude notch]

I love you @lusty tiger

Fun fact, my high school mascot was "the irrigators"

COME BACK JEREE

I miss you

[dusky canopy]

Man this Buffalo chicken and broccoli prep has been 🔥 this week

[crude notch]

Sounds so good

[opaque quest]

Priest is op again. Just had a shadow do 600k dps on iridikikron with the mc'd pet

Cant wait to have priest be mandatory again next season

[lusty grotto]

lmao i stepped away for 1 second

dunking on jeree

jeree where da chinese food pics

[lusty tiger]

my ass

[crude notch]

Jeree where my lunch

[lusty tiger]

up ur butt and around the corner

[crude notch]

https://vxtwitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1697035990609658292?t=97xflI-xdFfMzgY4OQ9pug&s=19

Bruh

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck lol

[crude notch]

@sick sentinel here you go. This is random enough for you

[lusty grotto]

did you see the poop

[crude notch]

Lol lol lol

OMG

Shit on his window

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ lol

[jagged gust]

wait you mean the trash the boss summons?

[opaque quest]

Na

In the tunnel before

The wyrm thingy with timexxx

[crude notch]

That'll be abused on PTR and get fixed. Grow up.

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYi24D9lHqc @crude notch

im not sure what magic he used

[lusty grotto]

jesus

even if it was real

how have you not heard of wax?

[sick sentinel]

it seems like the beard part is the door

and he put some kind of frame and did it with his hair?

[lusty grotto]

and wax

[sick sentinel]

something funny going on there DEFINITELY though

[lusty grotto]

this is not magic lol

[jagged gust]

oh sweet, thanks dude

[opaque quest]

Its the big yellow one with 2 yellow daggers

[crude notch]

Now stop talking about it so I can exploit

[crude notch]

"... Other things that comes to mind was motherlode first pull with lust and like 6 peacekeepers. Always a nailbiter"

[dusky canopy]

Motherload first pull was wildin

[crude notch]

I knew I'd get good responses on the Twitter

((I've gotten some bad ones and some meme ones too but we'll ignore those))

[dusky canopy]

Decided to pull the trigger on a 7900xtx should be a nice bump up from my 1080ti

My friends response (he’s a wow hater)
“Let me know how it is, now you can play wow at 1500 fps instead of just 1000”

[devout echo]

hello team!!!

is it ok to macro shield block into like thumnder clap?

or smthng like that

[dusky canopy]

Negative

[devout echo]

[dusky canopy]

You want to be able to control when you use shieldblock

[devout echo]

ok :(

ty

[dusky canopy]

Takes a little practice learning new keybinds but you can do it!

[devout echo]

not necessarily a keybind issue

im just lazy :3

[lime urchin]

Go play bear then

[strong forum]

That's a bit rude innit

[crude notch]

You also shouldn't macro ironfur either so your point is a miss

[jagged gust]

Speaking of bear, are most m+ users able to keep 2 stacks rolling most of the time? I struggle to keep a rotation rolling alongside a single stack most of the time, but my haste is abysmal as I just started it

having more than 1 defensive is more than my zug zug brain can handle apparently

[lusty tiger]

Same minus LS and SW and IP and taunt and SR

[strong forum]

Taunt on SS letsgoo

[lusty tiger]

Lol

Truuuu

I don’t have the new tierset yet

Ye

I did a +17 at 413ilvl and it was super chill- uldaman

[jagged gust]

I honestly wish Anger Management either didn't effect Avatar or had thunderlord tied into it so I could tie it into Demo shout

[lusty tiger]

Even better

Demo needs to be off gcd

For real

[jagged gust]

At that point I'd have Avatar, Demo, LS and trinket tied into my SS lmao

[lusty tiger]

: D can only dream

[crude notch]

In keys with current talent build and tier you should reasonably be able to keep up 1-2 stacks at all times (start of pulls being dependent on pooling per usual).

"Squeaky bat" is the most important part

The difference between me and Sense isn't skill it's the squeaky bat

[jagged gust]

Appreciate you jordan

[crude notch]

See jeree I'm affable

[lusty tiger]

Ur crinj

[jagged gust]

I like you cuz I can get a no nonsense answer most of the time, also being a swiftie doesn't hurt

also I dont get butthurt when you call me dumb for being dumb

[strong forum]

5

for taunts its 5

so its not as punishing

its not rly of any importance to know

just dont spam taunt on CD

the only reason why taunt DR exists is to avoid taunt pingpong

[median tulip]

Occasionally I still have to explain to new tanks how Taunt actually works

[strong forum]

its wild

how few people know that taunt is a threat multiplier during its duration

like breh

its not just a fixate

you use it to build threat on pull

build

[meager vigil]

Does the multiplier apply to aoe or only the target

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[strong forum]

taunt debuff

you can only taunt 1 target

[median tulip]

TBH that part isn't hugely impactful in modern wow, because our threat generation is thru the roof anyways

[meager vigil]

Not with Challenging Shout?

[strong forum]

tell that to beacon

and tanks who dont have it

[median tulip]

I just pull with Beacon >_>

[strong forum]

challenging shout applies taunt

[median tulip]

Let's see you pull hate off that, fucker

[dusky canopy]

Ive had pug tanks laugh at me when I DM them asking if I should watch my threat

[strong forum]

yeah... or ykno

pull with bacon + taunt

[dusky canopy]

And then mid fight I rip and it causes issues

[strong forum]

and have infinite threat

[plain lotus]

do we just caste revenge thunder clap and shield bash over n over?

[strong forum]

shield slam > thunderclap > revenge is your basic rotation

then you have your dmg CDs like avatar, shield charge, ravager and thunderous roar

[plain lotus]

this shit is fun

[dusky canopy]

It helps if you press shield block too

You’ll live longer

[plain lotus]

i mean im lvl 62 only

[median tulip]

GCD priority is Shield Slam > TClap and then either Revej or Execute

[plain lotus]

but

[strong forum]

ah leveling is nothing like endgame

endgame just gets faster and faster

[plain lotus]

high apm?