protection

[warm plinth]

You can use Shield Wall basically on CD if you don't have any hard pulls/mechanics coming up. With proper play, it has around a 1 minute cooldown

[glass shuttle]

cause rn its 3.5 mins

[warm plinth]

Impenetrable Wall and Anger Management

[glass shuttle]

Ah, every 10 rage spent reduce my shield wall by 1 sec

[lusty grotto]

anger management is very important for all warriors

understanding it

and by all warriors i mean all specs

[glass shuttle]

Oh, I had a lot of fun with 80% Reck uptime

My most favorite talent by far

[warm plinth]

Reck and Ravager go brrr

[glass shuttle]

Shoulda had Reck on G, cause, you know...

[warm plinth]

[glass shuttle]

G is Gucci

[warm plinth]

That emoji really needs a resolution update

[glass shuttle]

Sure does, is that the Heroic Blackrock Foundry set?

[warm plinth]

I don't even know. It was made years ago, so it could be lol

[glass shuttle]

How. Do. I. Know. This..?

this is heroic

normal is green

Looks very similar to me

[warm plinth]

yeah, looks pretty similar. The emoji was made off of the owner's old profile picture but it's possible that their pfp came from that

[glass shuttle]

Everything could happen

Right, I'll go get my weapon and shield sorted out and read through the guide again

Thanks a lot for the help, you really did save me a lot of time

Much appreciated

[warm plinth]

No worries. Feel free to ask in here or shoot me a DM if you have further questions

[glass shuttle]

Damn, I went into pve M+ rankings and never found a single Pwar that follows the stat order from the guides

Weird

[lusty grotto]

you won't

their stats are different because they run high as hell keys

but look up Sense Tichondrius NA

hes in discord, and is one of the mods

[glass shuttle]

Well, there's the stat priority from the guide. Why don't they use it?

[lusty grotto]

because at that key level, theres more value in other things

when you get to their key levels, then you worry about it

since this discord isnt for the 1%, but the rest of us, the stat prio is correct

0.01% that is

and even then Sense is running the stat prio we have

[glass shuttle]

He's got 42% crit, 39% haste, 23% mastery and 5% vers

ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery

[lusty grotto]

correct

[glass shuttle]

This doesn't match up with the stat prio at all

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all

[glass shuttle]

1:0

[lusty grotto]

is the priority

if something has more ilvl it doesnt matter its stats

[cursive prawn]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mm+

[lusty grotto]

so it could cause disparity on the others

[cursive prawn]

they are literally matching the prio in the guides

[lusty grotto]

dont link that shit

[cursive prawn]

make me

[lusty grotto]

while the point is valid, that site is garbage

[dusky canopy]

We like Mwahi stuff here

Aka Iceyveins

[lusty grotto]

we just dont like aggregators

its context-less information

[glass shuttle]

Okay, I understand
So I gotta craft haste + crit/vers items, noted

[lusty tiger]

This is as close to 40/40/10/10 you can reasonably get if you’re using the haste weapon oil

[lusty grotto]

prio is ilvl all, if ilvl is higher, you go with that

[lusty tiger]

^

[glass shuttle]

Well, I need a sword and board rn, so I'm going to craft them with 424 sparks

[lusty tiger]

Huge gains

[lusty grotto]

i would suggest not looking at secondary stats until you're 440+

because, well, ilvl > all

[glass shuttle]

Question is, what stats do I slot.
Sword will have crit and haste, shield will take haste and vers

Both 424, both crafted

sounds... fine

[lusty grotto]

both crit haste

[glass shuttle]

but it says crit is equal to vers, no?

[lusty grotto]

higher or equal than

[dusky canopy]

Imo I would put Crit/haste on all crafted items

[glass shuttle]

Crit Haste it is then, thank you

[lusty tiger]

Crit is so pog

[dusky canopy]

Crit owns it also gives you better parry chance

[kind urchin]

But as always, sim your character.

[lavish sphinx]

In what situations would one be over using thunder clap and ignore pain? I use both very frequently

[lusty grotto]

there is no situation where over using thunderclap is a thing (read below)

but overusing IP, can be a thing

only use when youre about to cap rage

[lavish sphinx]

Okay, was referring to the bullet points pasted above

[lusty grotto]

in essence, if youre thunderclapping over SS by a huge amount

as long as you follow prio, there's no issue

[strong forum]

Over IPing is when you spend too much rage on it that you can't press revenge anymore to reset SS to keep the rotation flowing

Over TCing results in the same thing

If you send too many TCs over SS, you run into danger of not generating enough rage to keep the rotation going

[lusty grotto]

still i dont think its realistic to say you can TC over SS

at least in the current patch

that feels like something that would have been true in BFA

[strong forum]

You can by sending revenges cuz oooh many targets to hit

Cuz "oh big pull I only press TC and revenge now"

[lusty grotto]

that's true

at least in avatar windows

[strong forum]

You'll have to make a compromise between not sending tcs and revenges

To send out more SS

Most easily taken care of by always prioritising SS until you absolutely know better

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[sick sentinel]

did a 17 VP with 441 rokmora, this was the results

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XkGmbpwDqjFQCWf8#fight=last&type=healing&source=1

[lusty tiger]

2much ip spam yogi

[sick sentinel]

blocked hits sucks

[lusty tiger]

That trinket does not look promising

[sick sentinel]

yeah i didnt block anything

[round pendant]

god damn I hate this game

[sick sentinel]

why is that

did you die in a keystone/raid /didnt get the mount/gear you wanted

[round pendant]

misstimed a +18 VP by 45 seconds because everyone doing sub 80k dps (warlock doing 65k)

did a +19 with a better group, smashed it easy as fuck

[round pendant]

Just got blamed by two people for not holding aggro when I pulled 2 mobs and moved on to pull another pack

and they dps'd the original two mobs

after I leapt away

[supple path]

I had a group in a FH +16 complain to me about how everyone knows you can't do two packs at the same time before the first boss. It takes all kinds.

[round pendant]

What is up with the brain rot people in this game experience

how the fuck is it my problem that they bursted on 2 mobs after I leapt away to pull more

[pallid quiver]

Because the tank lives to be their bitch

They're not playing to go through a key; they're playing to enjoy ruling over other people

Or, they're the type that wants to complain so much that they will make the situation to complain about

e.g. Two Death Knights from back in Legion during my first time in M+ who were taunting with Dark Command and then bitching that I lost aggro

[kind urchin]

VP is the only key this season I have legit failed to not enough damage from the group.

[round pendant]

I'm so depressed

Friend still got points and got 2500 so I'm DONEEEEEE

but jfc.

(+20 HoI)

shp doing 70k dps overall lol

[jagged gust]

Was it the first pack? Always the same issue there for me

gotta communicate before you start, because after all they will know is zug zug

[round pendant]

or maybe just don't prejac on the mobs when the tank fuckin flies away

[violet flume]

personally i just establish as much threat as i can on the go, i prefer strafing and hitting mobs to leaping and waiting on group to catch up

the way i see it, giving dps 100% uptime on dps is better than 90% uptime while you round up stuff

[balmy canyon]

Falls into the same category as a dps beaconing and charging a raid boss then whining they got meleed

[kind urchin]

Or the first boss in VP.

[sick sentinel]

Lots of dying right after 1st boss

2 packs of 6 mobs = 6 bursting stacks x 2

Then an elite dragon

[jagged pier]

Yogi when u streaming hardcore?

[sick sentinel]

Thing with me about streaming is

TLDR, i'd make a fool of my self somehow

also microphone arm, and dont feel like spending cash quite right now. prefer wait a day or week

might not be as easy as just get the first link on amazon, so i'll go to legitimaste music store, thought about going today, probably woint till monday if i do

[jagged pier]

Again u need noe of that just stream the gameplay

[strong forum]

its as simple as just broadcasting the gameplay, you dont need to go all asmongold on it with cam and mic and stuff

[waxen frigate]

Depends on your goals

[sick sentinel]

sure, its just the same way i like to be geared going into dungeon/raid, i dunno, i don't much REALLY feel like it.

and i don't feel very confident about streaming, im fat balding man, i dunno how exciting thats gunna be

[remote portal]

Are the trinkets from the time rifts any good for a starter prottie ?

[jagged pier]

no

[remote portal]

Thanks. I'll avoid them like the plague.

[sick sentinel]

see what happens i suppose

that or start alts, start 20s or somethin else, kinda spinning my tires on wow multiple ways

[remote portal]

"im fat balding man" get a non hard-front lace mens hair piece, a top down angle, and a positive attitude!

[sick sentinel]

i think, in terms of HC, i would prefer it was, there was a hardcore but less hardcore mode

so, once a week you could get rezzed by a player or effect, and at end of week if you were dead you could come back to life again.

perma death is typically too steep for me

and then, in that mode, the only way you can PERMANENTLY die banished in yugioh, exiled in mtg, etc, is if you makgora, or you fight some boss that he like eats you beacuase its a raid boss dragon

[jaunty jacinth]

How do Prots deal with magic/physical bleeds?

[sick sentinel]

that could be me

in about 2 minutes

no glasses, not that bald, but, i mean, its not too far away lul

[waxen frigate]

Yogi is the stereotypical prot warr

[sick sentinel]

warlock/priest player (iin classic, cuz there is no monk in classic :S, in this game they are literal monks)

[torpid fiber]

That’s the fun part. Ya don’t.

[waxen frigate]

you have your aug dispel it

[jaunty jacinth]

Just started playin it, barely surviving the bleeds on first big pull from NL

Guess it's the healers not pumpin enough, idk

[jagged gust]

I missed making a top 100 parse on Mythic Kaz last night by 500 dps

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fX3VdGB1qy4xZzkQ#fight=last

too much tc

was eating alot of backhits, 47% from servants of assad

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-even-mad-thats-amazing-gif-11382871

[urban portal]

Yogi taking back shots like a man

[lusty tiger]

🤔

[trim condor]

first time I did last boss of Lair on my alt prot warrior. I read something about using reflect little sooner than its cast. It worked! and its so fun to see this

[charred ivy]

last boss?

[trim condor]

Yeah, Dargrul

[cerulean tusk]

[warm plinth]

Bob Barker died 😦

[sick sentinel]

i don't really see the hype behind american pyscho

[strong forum]

ohno

[sick sentinel]

good moviekinda weird by todays standards

[strong forum]

yogi is going down the sigma rabbit hole

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

me going through the mall pretending to be mysterious thinking every girl is in love with me

[lusty tiger]

Yogi says this this movie is weird by todays standard

[sick sentinel]

well, there is alot of movies that are super culturally important

that i have yet to watch

[lusty tiger]

I think it is less weird by todays standard

[strong forum]

its not culturally important on a meaningful level

[lusty tiger]

^

[strong forum]

just a meme

[sick sentinel]

IM ACTUALLY VERY ANGRY ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE THE KILLER GOT AWAY LIKE IN NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN 😠

JUSTICE

[strong forum]

woah dude spoilers

[lusty tiger]

Yogi spoiling every movie for me smh my helm

[sick sentinel]

psoiler 50 year old move, yeah okay dude

its not good movie when bad guy gets away imo

[warm plinth]

SPOILER

[lusty tiger]

He’s coming for you yogi

That’s why he got away

[sick sentinel]

is what is

[warm plinth]

50 years old? Christian bale isn't even 50 years old sir

[sick sentinel]

every healer i have dies to rushing winds

[jagged pier]

Me in public listening to 'I'm just Ken'

[mighty valley]

at the end of the movie it’s not even clear if he actually killed anyone

[crude notch]

I guess I don't have to watch that movie now

[sick sentinel]

you do

[mighty valley]

yogi: this movie is kinda whatever
yogi: you have to watch it

[sick sentinel]

1984, the matrix, forest gump, truman show, flash gordon and they live to name a few, 007, blackhawk down

those are must watch movies imo

but i also enjoy any holly wood action movie, some horror

[warm plinth]

Clockwork Orange is one of the biggest wastes of an hour and a half of my life ever.

[sick sentinel]

thats fair, i can replace it with 1984

[mighty valley]

don’t let your list of essential movies get swayed by popular opinion so easily!!

What do you mean by 007

Which one

[cursive prawn]

Gonna go out on a limb and say Goldeneye probably

[lavish sphinx]

Shrek and Shrek 2

[sick sentinel]

literally any of them

its fucking james fucking bond

super duper spy man with rocket launchers and planes and guns?

[mighty valley]

guess I can’t argue with that

[sick sentinel]

shrek 1 was good at least

i don't remember shrek 2 very well

shrek was stupidly huge in NA cuz it was "world first DVD" and "HD CGI graphics movie" for alot of ppl

[warm plinth]

Shrek was not the first movie on DVD 🤔

Twister was the first movie on DVD and it came out like 4 years before that lol

[grim pilot]

Clockwork orange is HUGE

I fucking love the music there

[mighty valley]

we’re building out the prot warrior criterion collection

[warm plinth]

I'll build you out, if you know what i mean

[lavish sphinx]

First of all, Shrek is excellent and Shrek 2 is the watermark of quality that all sequels must work to achieve

[warm plinth]

What about the Godfather part II

[lusty tiger]

Tru

Fire

[lavish sphinx]

Meets the watermark

[lusty tiger]

Definitely a different vibe from shrek through

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-someday-service-don-corleone-godfather-gif-24740431

[lavish sphinx]

Across the Spiderverse is another rare, quality sequel

[sick sentinel]

xmen movies are sometimes good

usually

[mighty valley]

more bad xmen movies than good at this point

[sick sentinel]

they were better back then i think

[warm plinth]

I haven't even seen all of them

[lusty grotto]

days of futures past was amazing

[warm plinth]

I think I've seen the first 3 and then origins?

That's as far as I've gotten

I actually liked origins, despite the god-awful deadpool representation

[lusty grotto]

well the top 2 are Days and Logan

the first 2 are probably the 2 second best ones

well and first class

all phoenix adaptations have been terrible

[grim pilot]

Imo first 3 are good movies overall

Better mcu type of stuff

[warm plinth]

I haven't seen days or logan sadly

Maybe I do x-men marathon today :think:

[grim pilot]

Logan is overrated imo

Good movie but overrated

[cursive prawn]

Logan is a masterpiece

And very different from the usual offerings in its gore/violence

Did the wolverine character justice imo

[lusty grotto]

nah third xmen is garbage

all phoenix ones are bad

first class is good, days is great, apocalypse is garbage, dark phoenix is garbage, Xmen 1 and X2 are good, Logan is great, last stand is garbage, origins is meh

the wolverine is eh

well its decent i guess

[sick sentinel]

half life is a required game too

you can choose the rest, but half life is require, non negotiable

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/yamotha-fields-gif-19781264

[jagged gust]

Logan was such a let down imo

Like I'd probably put it behind the original trilogy

[lusty grotto]

disagree but alas

[jagged gust]

Yeah I'm definitely in the minority there

[austere lava]

haste or crit ring enchants?

[lusty grotto]

do you have to ask?

given the stat prio in the pins?

[lavish sphinx]

Haste. You’ll find it impossible to have too much of it

[austere lava]

gotcha, thanks

[austere lava]

i did, i just really really wanted to inconvience you to answer

[jagged gust]

Finally did it, broke 100k dps (Please ignore the auggie)

[austere lava]

all sarcasm aside, i didnt think to look at pins and just wasnt thinking in general

apologies

[modern gazelle]

closing in on 3k, need 22 ulda and 22 nelth for all 22's this week at least. So hard to find a consistent group, im pretty sure if i had one i could do 24/25's

[jaunty canopy]

~~ shadowflame can proc off a dot, and pull a target that is your curent target, even if its not in combat? I think ive had this happen twice today but ive never noticed it before today. That seem correct?

[latent cargo]

Uld 20 Chompers are kicking my ass. Any advice?

[lavish sphinx]

Kite them

Hamstring, shockwave, intimidating shout. Also Dwarf racial, cauterise, healer externals and other peoples stops and slows

[latent cargo]

Thank you

[kind urchin]

Dstance and wall too can keep you in the fight a little longer before having to kite.

[halcyon pasture]

hello. Returning player. Where is Warrior on the list of tanks?

[hidden linden]

In the top 6

Easily

[polar crow]

Unfortunately last / second last behind BM Monk not many of us lol

[polar crow]

😂

[halcyon pasture]

😥

[warm plinth]

That is not to say you can't play the spec. It's not weak by any means.

It's just not placing well in the popularity contest right now.

[jagged pier]

Imagine looking at tier lists kek

Warriors what 1 key lvl behind druid

My god

Unviable

Completely

[warm plinth]

I just get blown away at how community perception in this game works. We've literally gotten nothing but buffs since we were meta, yet we're now "trash" to so many people lol.

[jagged pier]

Thats how it works

[warm plinth]

Absolutely unplayable, to be sure.

[jagged pier]

If warrior not top

Its last

Never was top

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/vk4l.gif

[jagged pier]

Paladin was better in S1 even before the buffs only andy saw it tho

[warm plinth]

Oh I know. We weren't the best realistically, but we were meta anyway FACTS DON'T MATTER. ONLY FEELS.

[jagged pier]

Based

And true

[blazing condor]

Pwarr always number one in my heart

[lavish sphinx]

PWarr is doing just fine. Maybe less carry potential than some of the other tanks and not flavour of the month

Our party buff doesn’t benefit the top dps (casters) so we’re not meta

[crystal igloo]

how do we deal with basilisks at uldaman

[uneven mason]

Don't let them bite

[crystal igloo]

what like perma kite them?

[strong forum]

pray for parry RNG, coordinate stops if possible

otherwise kite, also phat dps

[hazy bronze]

Bleed clears (stoneform, cauterize from evoker) also act as a get out of jail free car

[supple plinth]

Also BOP from paladin but have cancel aura macro ready and spamming

I was thinking that maybe pulling everything before those 3 basilisks + those basilisks could be solution, as that will give you to of targets for rage and bleed leech, potentially offsetting that bleed damage by brute force,

But I have not tried this on higher keys, so not sure

[sick sentinel]

sometimes is funnier to just leave bop on and take no dmg and laugh as ppl gain giga aggro

[supple plinth]

Btw how does prot war currently stands compared to other tanks dps wise?

It feels like we have pretty decent aoe burst

[jagged pier]

m+ fine behind in raid

[sick sentinel]

keys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoMI_Cx6YU
raid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oELUNHlzuM

[south zealot]

kite them

[uncut thunder]

Anyone have any guides or good reads on completing 20s? I’m nearly all 19s and whatever I seem to do when I join 20s they go to shit

[grim pilot]

19's and 20's are basically the same, as long as you're not dying, you're just unlucky

[warm plinth]

I second this. You shouldn't even really notice a difference between the two as far as your personal survival

[uncut thunder]

I’m far from great but people are really bad

[warm plinth]

I imagine 20s probably have a fair amount of people "pushing" for portals

So you might just have a disproportionate amount of worse players

Hard to say though

You can always log and post in here for review though if you wanna be sure it isn't you

[grim pilot]

Generally good players are either pushing high keys or doing weeklys with guild/premade at this point in the season

[warm plinth]

We don't bite, I promise

[uncut thunder]

Yeah I wanted to try for the goal of portals. Which I have never done.

[warm plinth]

It's a good goal

[uncut thunder]

Yeah you guys have been helpful with logs. I’m far better with CPM now. Not over doing it on IP

[warm plinth]

hell yeah

[uncut thunder]

I have my IP only set for wheel up and SB is not macroed

That has helped and not tripping out and dumping into IP when not needed

[warm plinth]

big pog

[uncut thunder]

That and I have audio q for when SB and IP will expire

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah you're the mousewheel IP guy, I remember now

[uncut thunder]

Yup. I guess I’m the only one. Well I got it from Quazii so not the only only one.

[warm plinth]

I am too much of a control freak to give up my camera zoom

So I can't use mousewheel for binds

[uncut thunder]

I use arrow keys for zoom for just in case moments but k realized I zoom very rarely

[sick sentinel]

discussion with some random mage

[warm plinth]

Why do you need a priest

[sick sentinel]

"need" as in need a 4x4 f150 or some sorta of truck to get through the muddy river

can do it in mazda miata, but it might not be a fun exeprience or go well

[warm plinth]

Well, I would say you're overestimating the skill of the average priest. Just because they HAVE mass dispel doesn't mean they're gonna use it. It is a healer affix, in the end. It's the DPS' job to manage the stacks and application of the stacks, but it's going to have to be healed at some point. There are just quite a few healers who suck at it, and even more DPS who suck at it.

[grim pilot]

Priests won't use it at 14 dw

[sick sentinel]

whats the cd for paladin remove magic dispel? i think they can remove it? if no what else

mage and shaman i know can if talented, i know dk can self prevent it.

[proper roost]

All healer friendly dispels are 8s cd

and all healers, and only healers (except mass dispel) have a magic dispel by default

[warm plinth]

Mage and Shaman cannot cleanse magic.

Shaman healers can

But not shaman in general

Also, it is very rarely worth the global to dispel one person of bursting. It's better spent just healing it.

If that was your thinking

[sick sentinel]

for me its turning into "don't hit rally until combat is 98% over" game

basically.

[proper roost]

i think you are just wildly misinterpreting how bursting works

bursting up to 6-8 stacks depending on the spec literally cannot kill a dps from full hp

[sick sentinel]

its a bunch of bullshit

[proper roost]

it doesn't do that much damage

[sick sentinel]

thats all i really need to know lol

[proper roost]

And 6-8 stacks is like an insane amount of stacks

[warm plinth]

You're an insane amount of stacks

gottem

@ionic fern hi ily

[south zealot]

holy moly

[ionic fern]

Hi Ghash, ily-.

[sick sentinel]

still no heart of thunder 441 😦

[lime urchin]

What’s that

[sick sentinel]

but 441

instead of 437

[lime urchin]

Vers! Gross!

Haste where?

[trim condor]

:(, went to pug on my healer, this is what I got in key

[south zealot]

whats so bad

[lime urchin]

Aww what a cutie

[south zealot]

oh

there is no shield block lol

i was gonna say hes obviously not playing great but nothing was super bad until i saw that

[warm plinth]

84.5% uptime on Def Stance, 0% uptime on Shield Block

Was this one fight or

[sick sentinel]

18

17

(no im not going to do this for 16 more keys)

[trim condor]

start of the key, until I leaved, because he died 7x times

[warm plinth]

ah

[sick sentinel]

yeah, nothing to kill the hype for a key like someone dying 14 seconds in with blood lust

[trim condor]

I was okey to continue, but then he stated he never played war and joined +16

and he pulled with heroic throw, pulled double ticks

[warm plinth]

I can't fathom how people feel like it's okay to join 16+ keys when they've never played their spec

[proper roost]

me when hpal

[strong forum]

May I introduce my weekly 21cos on my prevoker on my like 3rd key after not having played healer in 11 years

[warm plinth]

okay but to be fair

A 21 CoS is like a +12 of any other key

[sick sentinel]

all i know is that in like cata i think or panda

shaman was really good healer

andf for extremely brief time i tried it, enjoyed, understood it

except fuck totems, wtf is a totem

plank from ed edd and eddie?

[jagged gust]

Huh, just noticed that the wowhead guide has changed their stat prio for us to ilvl > haste > vers > crit > mastery with an addendum at the end saying they're all relatively close.

"Increasing your item level is generally the highest priority, then focus on Haste and Versatility."

[tall tusk]

wowhead and icy veins writers are notorious for gate keeping specs. try looking at it as more of a general guideline to work from and adapt to it as you learn the spec

[crude notch]

Almost all tank guides have said secondaries are close

People just don't read that shit

They read the mandatory Formatted secondary rankings and live only by that snippet.

[warm plinth]

Please explain what you mean by "gatekeeping specs"

[tall tusk]

I mean literally the paladin ones for a fact have posted trash builds to keep people from performing well

That’s just one example

The arms one is not at consistent with the current meta

[crude notch]

What

How is that gatekeeping from performing well?

[tall tusk]

????

Telling people one build is optimal when it’s not so people are playing the subpar build and parsing lower?

Focus less on my comment about the gate keeping. That’s a personal opinion .

[warm plinth]

I can pretty much guarantee you that that is not happening. And if it is, it certainly isn't something you can generalize.

[crude notch]

Ya

[tall tusk]

Focus more on the fact that the builds are general baselines to work from

[jagged gust]

Yeah that's the part that I'm worried about

[crude notch]

And yet here you are focusing on other things. 😕

[trim condor]

First mistake is to take them in group. Dunno why key holder invited him. You cant fake it on prot war like on priest healer. I had priest joining my key, I checked good rio, Plaguefall +20, shoul be alright. Then healing was disaster, like he couldnt keep with nothing and later, I found out, rio was for holy spec :(.

[lusty tiger]

It’s not like you play differently with haste/crit and it makes having things like beacon more feast than famine

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I wouldn't have invited them haha

[lusty tiger]

So it is somewhat suspicious seeing “worse” stat priorities on the guides because they’re “close”

[crude notch]

Yeah I hate to say it but talent builds and secondaries 99 times out of 100 aren't what's gatekeeping you from performing better.

It's your hands

[lusty tiger]

Yea but why not suggest the best one instead of slightly worse because of being close

[trim condor]

I mean, sometimes people can do wonders on new alts, for example, I enjoy leveling tanks/healers from zero a joining high keys on very low ilvls, but I would never join my first key to +16. I always start with my 300-350ilvls toon on +2 and trying to climb up, until I hit a wall

[lusty tiger]

Just lowers the quality of the guide

[warm plinth]

The guide is certainly not written to prevent others from performing better. It would be a very flawed plan in the first place considering I'd say a not insignificant portion of the player base gets their builds from subcreation anyway, regardless of whether it's advised or not.

[jagged gust]

It's actually been kind of good for me, I've had a big influx of wars getting me to recraft their gear to haste/vers recently, was wondering why that was happening

[warm plinth]

It should also be said that some guide writers update more often than others.

Warlock guides, for example, tend to be damn near useless if there are mid-patch changes

[lusty tiger]

It doesn’t matter what the excuse is at the end of the day the guide is giving worse info than what exists

So I think it is valid to be unhappy with it

[crude notch]

Eh

[trim condor]

I mean, maybe its mind game thing. I always feels 50% more tanky on my tanks, with like 5% versa more haha

[warm plinth]

I'm happy to consider that perspective if it can be shown to be an actual thing 🤷

[lusty tiger]

Gatekeeping is much more subjective

On the other end of the gate keeping spectrum I could say those people are gatekeeping themselves by not checking the class discords or chatting with high end players

[warm plinth]

I'm not talking about gatekeeping. I'm talking about a guide giving worse info than what exists. Gatekeeping implies that they are intentionally providing incorrect information in order to prevent people from playing better, which is just not true. But I can acknowledge that a guide might give misleading information, if the writer is bad at updating it.

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means-gif-9201569

[tall tusk]

that’s what I was exactly trying to point out. I apologize for my poor choice of words.

[warm plinth]

No guidewriter is setting out to make sure other people perform worse than them. The absolute closest you might get is Azortharian not sharing a bug that accounted for like a .5% damage difference

[tall tusk]

basically just trying to say “think for yourself” at least a little bit instead of relying 100% on what someone else says is good. they might be doing different content than you so it’s important to adapt to what you need

[tall tusk]

that’s just not true though, the Holy paladin discord writer Clarius was using a wildly different build than what he had written up on wowhead.

[warm plinth]

I can agree with that, to a point. Questioning is always good, even if it's just to ask why or offer perspective.

[tall tusk]

granted it may have just been padding talents but still there was no mention of those being flexible

[lusty tiger]

You are not doing 100% of required information gathering unless you’re talking to high end players

[warm plinth]

That still doesn't say he was intending people to perform worse. Should a guide be the generally acceptable build or should it be here's the parsewhore build

You just said yourself that you should think for yourself and not trust guides blindly, but then you seem like you're upset with the fact that the guy didn't share a parsewhore build on wowhead

[tall tusk]

I totally agree with this and what’s important is applying their knowledge to the level of content you are doing.

[warm plinth]

Guides need to provide a general build and maybe a few alternatives, not edge cases

[tall tusk]

No not at all upset because I had 2 eyes and could read my talent tree

But newer players being told “this is the best build” when it’s not is just strange don’t you think ?

[crude notch]

Uh

[warm plinth]

Is that build being used outside of people trying to pad/parse though?

[tall tusk]

Yeah at the time it was

Pretty poor example I’m using to behonest

Hpal was not okay at all

Propbably talking in circles at this point but I’m just saying people should always cross reference high end players advice with what they are actually doing

[crude notch]

If you're looking to parsewhore you're inherently going to do more research than just look at WH

[warm plinth]

I can agree with that, as long as we're also not just using high end players as a reference.

[tall tusk]

exactly this. it’s always good to see why/what talents high end users are running but we will not always see the same value

[south zealot]

what we talkin about

[warm plinth]

Or you have e.g. S1 pwar running ItF in keys when it was objectively the wrong choice, and they only changed when one of their own changed, even though it was causing them to die at times.

[south zealot]

is jordan wrong

[tall tusk]

once again me using the term “gate keeping” was a little harsh and definitely generalizing, so I apologize for that

[south zealot]

[warm plinth]

Just having a relatively civil discussion in Skyhold for once

[crude notch]

Goes without saying that blindly following either WH or SC or your favorite streamer is bad practice

[south zealot]

holy moly

[tall tusk]

thank you for being patient with my absurd comment

[warm plinth]

Personally I only listen to Naowh. If Naowh says it, it's gospel.

[crude notch]

Honestly this is like the first conversation I've had in here since my brother passed on Monday so.

[south zealot]

especially his tier lists

[warm plinth]

I'm sorry for your loss Jordan 🫂

[tall tusk]

literally just biased from other shitty class discords

[south zealot]

oh

[warm plinth]

Yeah imagine trusting any resource besides Naowh tier lists

[tall tusk]

For the record, y’all here at Skyhold are the most human I’ve seen so far

[lusty tiger]

Condolences

[south zealot]

ive been called a son of a rat idk if im human

[warm plinth]

There's a reason this is the only class discord I don't have tucked away muted in a folder.

[tall tusk]

ain’t a damn thing wrong with ratting

[lusty tiger]

🧀

[tall tusk]

someone’s discord bio said “the true art of DPS is looting the boss without doing mechanics”

[crude notch]

Here

[tall tusk]

FLOOF

[modern gazelle]

is there a way to not have other peoples quest progression shown when on echo of nelth? I see the entire raids quest progress on the books when i hover nelth and it covers so much of my screen, super frustrating

[tall tusk]

ban alts

[warm plinth]

Big floofies

[tall tusk]

homie is begging for a brushing

[warm plinth]

For sure

[tall tusk]

actual chad

[crude notch]

You should see how floof he is after a brush

[warm plinth]

Jordan can we come over and brush your pupper

I will offer cuddles as payment

[tall tusk]

I look forward to the day that comes and you tag me

[tall tusk]

IM IN

Obligatory pet pics are GO

[warm plinth]

I do not have pets

I can't take care of myself a lot of the time

I will not subject a cute pupper or kitty cat to that

[tall tusk]

do you care for you mouse and keyboard

we accept those

[tall tusk]

Oh my GOD

dat SNOUT tho

[lusty tiger]

Op snout

[tall tusk]

Another furball

[tall tusk]

do they have some Wheaton terrier in them??

[lusty tiger]

No she’s a golden doodle

[tall tusk]

oh wow!!!!

[lusty tiger]

And certainly acts like both

[tall tusk]

those are such a loving breed

[lusty tiger]

She is 11/10 sweet

[tall tusk]

oh for sure she looks like it

[warm plinth]

He passed back in '06 but here's a floofer for you

[tall tusk]

any kids in the house? they’d love them

[glass shuttle]

Hey there everyone! Wanted to quickly check in with a neckl question, please 🙂

Is Elemental Lariat still good in S2? shows as recommended in Wowheads guide, but want to double check.

[warm plinth]

No. Double shadowflame patch or shadowflame + frostfire belt

[tall tusk]

very majestic floofs

[warm plinth]

His name was Pepsi

Purebred chow chow

[tall tusk]

im sorry for your loss, I hope you can look back on your time together fondly and appreciate it

[glass shuttle]

I got Frostfire pants that give haste rn and shadowlame patch on boots, is that fine?

[warm plinth]

Frostfire pants are very mediocre.

[crude notch]

Not to be toxic, but considering you can only have two embellishments how the hell did you get that it's recommended at 3rd?

[tall tusk]

mods bro

[glass shuttle]

I might be not understanding your question

I was playing Fury and switched to Prot

I crafted 2 embelishments for fury

[crude notch]

It is 3rd on the wowhead list. How did you get that as recommended?

[glass shuttle]

?

[crude notch]

3rd

[tall tusk]

is that without max sockets or what

why is that a thing listed

[crude notch]

It's 3rd on the list and clearly says you can only have two

[glass shuttle]

It's sort of a good point

Sort of

[tall tusk]

right so what makes you decide that the first two are out of reach?

mat prices?

[glass shuttle]

But if it's there, it's there for a reason

Hence the question I asked

[glass shuttle]

Should I replace my pants with the belt then?

And should be good

[warm plinth]

I would, yes.

[glass shuttle]

Boots with the shadowflame patch are fine too, right?

I can go for 447 with those?

[crude notch]

The question you asked implied you're somehow reading over 1 and 2.

But why are you reading over 1 and 2

[glass shuttle]

Is it important for you?

lol

I'm just trying to get my items sorted out

Is all

[tall tusk]

Why is it even listed at all though is the question

[warm plinth]

yeah which slot doesn't matter

[glass shuttle]

Thanks a lot!

[warm plinth]

I do think it's weird to list more than two on the guide, tbf.

[tall tusk]

like if you had it last season and wanted to recraft?

[warm plinth]

Like w/o gems it's really bad

[glass shuttle]

Well that's what got me confused in the first place

[warm plinth]

so idk why you'd even keep it that long

[tall tusk]

Yeah there should at least be special notes for #3 and #4

That goes for any spec with embellishments

[crude notch]

The special note is beforehand where it says "You can only have two"

[tall tusk]

[crude notch]

The reason there's more than two listed can (and probably is) be because off speccing, Wowhead Formatting (I feel like a broken record continuously bringing this up at this point), because when fully socketed it is most likely 3rd best after Shadowflamex2 or Shadowflame+Belt.

[glass shuttle]

Could I ask you to take a look at my items and give me a recommendation on what I should craft or what should I recraft to 437?

Cause I'm completely lost at this point with my gear

Had a plan in mind and it sort of didn't work out

[warm plinth]

Sure

Though you can also just run droptimizer sims for ST and 5T patchwerk and get a good answer

[glass shuttle]

Could you elaborate?

I am not familiar with this

[glass shuttle]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/eu/gordunni/убилстолб

[warm plinth]

There's a droptimizer sim option on raidbots that basically sims all crafted items w/ a certain stat combo

Against what you currently have

And tells you what the best option would be

Shield 100%

Shield is always your top priority for increasing ilevel on

Followed by weapon

[glass shuttle]

So I should make my shield 437?

Then its weapon, then its trinkets, but they cant be crafted, and then it's everything else

[warm plinth]

Yes

[glass shuttle]

I found the website, but it requires premium for simming all M+ dungeons

[warm plinth]

There are craftable trinkets but you're better off farming for some

[glass shuttle]

I got a good one just now

Need a 2nd

[warm plinth]

eh, neither of your trinkets are anything to write home about

[glass shuttle]

Well, the dmg blocker one is sorta fine?

Shalamein is to be replaced later

[warm plinth]

It's ok but we don't really need defensive trinkets

[glass shuttle]

I see

I'll have to read about simming, thank you

And will recraft my shield rn

I was thinking I should maybe craft a neck

Got 4 sparks...

[warm plinth]

You can craft w/e with the base sparks, just go for lowest ilevel pieces that aren't tier slots

But upgrades should def be shield>weapon>other

[glass shuttle]

Base sparks?

[warm plinth]

Yeah like w/o the crest

[glass shuttle]

Are Shadowflame Sparks considered base?

[warm plinth]

the base 24 item

424

[glass shuttle]

Ah, ok

Okay, I think I got it, thanks a lot. Let me copy this to notes

[austere lava]

Are we not supposed to pull with herroic throw?

[trim condor]

One by one And waiting for mobs to come closer? Yeah, maybe new MDI 😁

[warm plinth]

Idk I pull w/ heroic throw if I want extra mobs/packs

[jagged gust]

I used to spec into Titanic Throw, which I thought was nice until I pulled 2 extra packs and a boss in Neltharus by accident

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

titanic throw is only used for snap agro, after you're geared you dont really need it

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't like how it targets

It doesn't appear this way, but it actually targets like chain lightning/avenger's shield

So if you throw on a mob, it's basically "chaining" to the other mobs; it just doesn't have a visual like those spells do.

That's why it spreads so far

[austere lava]

Exactly what I do. Don't just pull aggro on a pack with it. Lol

[warm plinth]

Nah I'm charging my ass in there for sure

purely an additional pack puller or getting threat on a ranged mob that's being stubborn

[lusty grotto]

theres no incorrect way to use heroic throw

honestly

[warm plinth]

What if I use it on a CCed mob that's CCed for a good reason

lawyered

[lusty grotto]

you'd have to be really special, like what that other guy is describing, to use it incorrectly

ghash, what is this? classic?

😎

[austere lava]

My ma always said I'm a special boy

[lusty grotto]

im talking about what weretui007 described

because if you pull ticks YOU ARE special

in a bad way

and if you do it 1 by 1 with heroic throw, then even more

[sick sentinel]

cGG

world first yogi 19 and heart

[lusty grotto]

nicely done yogi

[warm plinth]

Good job yogi

This is why my nickname in details is yogi123 skills

[strong forum]

yogi actually on the natty progression

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TxVAjzW91bdtXmDK#fight=last

tis is log

[strong forum]

need to work on outburst usage

yours is 50-50

it should be closer to 80-20

[jagged gust]

Speaking of VP... 1 chest is the norm, and 2 chest is often attainable, but I'll be damned if I can ever understand how people manage to 3 chest anything above a VP 20. I think that's the dungeon I need the most work on, regardless of how straight forward it is

[strong forum]

VP is the tighest dps check in all of the season

no tricks

no nothing

just raw dps

[warm plinth]

I don't think 3 chesting it is that common tbh

[urban portal]

just get more gear

or play a lower key level

[jagged gust]

I did manage to pull 100k in VP for the first time ever this week, pretty proud of that

[sick sentinel]

3 chest involves low keys or alot of headache

goes for almost all keys

[warm plinth]

VP just doesn't have a lot of opportunities to pull that big sadly, which is why multi-chesting it is difficult on higher keys

And the big pulls you can do are often really scary and not pug friendly at all

[sick sentinel]

rushing winds loves to kill casters it seems

[jagged gust]

Yeah watching TGP groups do those big double group pulls was inspiring but I'm already struggling at times with just one

[lusty grotto]

its doable but you need a prepared team

a lot of tgp strats are not doable by the common wow player

so disregard them

either way there's not a lot to gain from 3 chesting

[jagged gust]

My burgeoning team fell apart a few weeks ago, so I'm just a solo andy these days

but yeah, as long as I finish I'm happy, but you can't deny the serotonin from a 3 chest

[lusty grotto]

i dont really get seratonin from 3 chesting

so idk

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-zuck-zuckerberg-mark-awesome-didnt-laugh-not-funny-gif-16808961

Nim after parsing 100

[lusty grotto]

its just you dont gain shit

you dont need the extra loot

and you can make the io on a higher key

so whatever

[jagged gust]

Kinda sad isn't it?

[trim condor]

This wasnt extra pull, this was pulling like ranged tank. He didnt press single charge or SHIELD charge or anything really 😦

[lusty grotto]

[trim condor]

He stated later that He played only.ranged dps So far. Which kinda makes sense, with heroic throw pulls one by one

[warm plinth]

I wonder if this is the same guy my friends played w/ the other day. Dude yelled at them for aoeing instead of focusing one target because he couldn't hold aggro on multiple targets. Told my friend to read a guide and learn how tanks work

idk I don't think that's an excuse though because as DPS you obviously see how people pull

Like that's straight up intentional ignorance

[trim condor]

I was helping my friend today with lower keys on my healer And today was tank cursed. Had paladin in +11 HOi, pulled 4 or 5 packs before 1st boss, had 2 interupt And after a while, all.died to expulsion casts. He started blaming small dps, I said, we missed interupts more tho And dont overpull please. Then He started, that we were missing heals aswell (I did 90k Hps on my mistwear) . Some people still playing like Its shadowlands

[jagged gust]

How do you find the ability usage that triggered outburst?

oh wait I think I found it

source aura filters

[strong forum]

yeah

[trim condor]

Not sure where to ask
Is bursting still capped to +15 key or scaling higher?

[warm plinth]

It is still capped at 15.

[strong forum]

bursting should be capped at 15

spiteful capped at 20

[warm plinth]

[hazy bronze]

Nothing like carrying a friend through a 20 and two stacks of bursting eat them

[warm plinth]

How is that even possible

[modern brook]

It's not

[warm plinth]

Are they 200 ilevel or something

[grim pilot]

isn't bursting hp relative?

that's what I always thought

[urban portal]

flat

[warm plinth]

It was % HP until Shadowlands

Anywhere from 5-14% max HP per stack

Depending on what patch

[violet flume]

122k dps overall feelsgoodman

guess its cheating with augvoker tho

[sick sentinel]

how is this healing for a monk, is that good

i cant tell

[hollow finch]

for key, good hps but ancient teachings should be your top heal and you should be doing like 25-45k dps

most of your heals should be from fae line+sck

[sick sentinel]

paladin did the best, didnt die a single time, 4th on healing taken from healer

[south zealot]

using the wrong build

[warm plinth]

He's pretending fistweaving isn't the only build.

[violet flume]

man trying to play anything else than tank is frustrating

17k dps prot warrior with people pulling aggro left and right when i healed

not a fun experience

10% shieldblock uptime

[warm plinth]

Shield Block is a crutch

[ionic fern]

It's usually frustrating for me because i do less DPS as a DPS than i do as a tank.

[modern brook]

Mwalow lmao

[lavish sphinx]

Wake up babe, new Sense videos have dropped

[nimble flume]

Why do prots sometimes drop instantly?
seeing it in 17's as well as 27's, experiencing it myself on my 436ilvl. Life gud, then dead.
is there a general answer or just always situation-specific?

[south zealot]

casts go off and you don’t have defensives up

[crude notch]

Getting smacked in the back of the head

Not having SB up

Thinking you play better than you do

[warm plinth]

Short answer: no idea
Long answer: give us logs and we will tell you

[lucid holly]

I do feel that the main culprit is either dropping SB or just usually getting hit in the back during a gather or storming or whatever

[ionic fern]

I'd say that's about any tank class when they don't have defensives up.

😂

[jagged gust]

That's a good 90% of my near death experiences

"Oh let me just run over real quick and grab this next pack"

Proceeds to take 5 unmitigated attacks to the heinie

[crude notch]

If you play wrong you tend to live less than if you play right.

Thanks for coming to my Tedtalk.

[nimble flume]

I play all tank classes (m+ hero last season on it) and I asked because the punishment for a misplay of a certain kind (turning back / SB down / casts) punishes warrior way more than other tank classes.
I think it may feel even more so because some other tanks (BrM) can quack in more situations so it's not such a surprise, whereas pwarr is super super strong.... unless above and pays for it instantly.

Like, on Brew you take a lot of damage from every source, therefore you cover it with defensives.
Pwarr you're super fine without any defensives, EXCEPT if...

[crude notch]

Only Bear isn't hard punished for getting hit in the back (Still punished but not as bad as others).

And well if you're comparing tanks when they don't have their AM up that's incredibly silly and actually pretty pointless.

And it sounds like what you're describing there at the end is frankly just poor CD usage.

But as multiple have said, can't tell without logs.

[nimble flume]

sure
it's misplays
I'm a noob at pwarr as it's 4th (or so :D) alt
but I find the answers very helpful, because now I know what to work at preventing 👍 ty!

and generally, we're people and make misplays, therefore taking perfect play as starting point is rather impractical

[crude notch]

No one is talking about perfect play.

M+ hero is the title though so it's not impractical to expect a title range tank to avoid getting hit in the back of the head no matter the tank.

Ugh I forgot 2500 shares the same achievement now.

Welp

There ya go.

[lavish sphinx]

Yiew - first timed 20s on Nelth and HOI. Both 97 parses too

Ya boy is growing up

[crude notch]

Umm

[ionic fern]

Tbf, Prot is super easy when it comes to SB up-time rightnow.

With all the crutches.

[lucid holly]

I def feel the pain of gathering on my prot war rn compared to my Druid. Been doing some 25’s this week on warrior and there are specific pulls which feel much more difficult to set up like BH river pull compared to Druid or even just chaining stuff in UR. You can absolutely get away with just turning on bear and now I gotta break that habit as I bring my other tanks up

[modern gazelle]

neltharus is so easy if people do chains right

why can no one do chains right 😢

[lucid holly]

Just reps, practice, and communication. If you let people know before key how you want them to do chains and to let priest go first this week for mass dispel it helps clear things up

But also if I was doing a pug 20 I’d seriously limit the chain pulls and not expect anyone to do it perfectly

[modern gazelle]

im doing 22-23 and i link my route and explain it before we start 😦

think im gonna do smaller first pull

instead of

[lucid holly]

I think splitting pull 7 is probably your best bet. Or, tell them to wait until you gather stuff on the chain which is what we do in 27/28. But honestly for 22/23 that pull can be super lethal if people don’t press all their buttons and you don’t group it fast so probably worth doing half and half. Do first half with cds. Next half with chain

[echo egret]

For pugs where most dps can’t behave, I found taking Titanic Throw really helps building ranged aggro on a whole pack.
It costs me bounding stride though. And sometimes you pull stuff you really didn’t want.

[lucid holly]

I def like war tank though and think I could mostly do the same pulls I do on bear with a few alterations and obviously key lvl dependent. I’m only 443 so missing 3 ilvl but I did all 30% on a first pull NL 25 today and felt fine. Think some of the neltharus grouping would be scarier than BH but just needs reps to get used to it

I desperately need trinkets for my ST dmg though cause it feels real bad rn compared to my Druid

[hardy snow]

there is no need to do such massive pulls on 22-23, especially on pugs, you can easily split them

[modern gazelle]

7 is honestly the easy one, that one doesnt fail usually

its pull 1 that always fails

FINALLY A DECENT GROUP LMAO

[ionic fern]

[crude notch]

Grats

Also maybe set your bar a little lower for "decent" considering it was a 28 io gain for you as well.

[modern gazelle]

all 22-23's for this week finally, might work on some 23/24 tomorrow before reset, except ulda fuck ulda lmao

i mean i feel totally comfortable tanking it, problem has been people literally not using chains, not mass dispelling after chains, or dying to using chains

takes forever to get accepted to a group too so been rough this week

[hardy snow]

you know you can create your own group, and you can choose people which will go with you?

[modern gazelle]

i kept getting ulda keys and i was sick of running ulda lol

i almost exclusively run my keys usually

[echo egret]

The cost of a bad pug that ruins your key is too steep imo

[lavish sphinx]

People can look good on paper and absolutely flop your key too

[crude notch]

So can you. (:

[blazing condor]

Pro tip is to only pick non meta classes

Those dudes are infinitely better at the same rio

[lime urchin]

Pro tip: make frens and play with them

M+ is no pug content

[weary saddle]

chains in ulda? you mean Neltarus

[median tulip]

Yeah, but you kinda need a Priest this week

[hollow patio]

Guys did it ever happen to you that the bleed guys that buff themselves in ulda (refti custodian I believe) randomly do their bleed on melees when you kite? Am I doing something wrong?

[blazing condor]

I wouldnt know i havent played since january

[hollow patio]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8w9dBAL3fxaVhYcv#fight=1&pull=5&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24126995599.0.0.Monk%24false%24377732&target=1.3
Here for example the monk got clapped even though I did like 3 times his damage to the mob and he didn’t taunt. So there is no way he got aggro but he still got slapped.

[lavish sphinx]

I believe they target the next closest if you’re out of range. Can’t remember specifics but I heard that somewhere

Also, stuns remove the empowerment - shockwave and bolt

[hollow patio]

Really? Isn’t it common in higher keys that you kite them to the boss and just run away all the time while fighting the boss?

[median tulip]

They do that if rooted sometimes

[hollow patio]

He wasn’t rooted. I am not even sure if these classes even have any roots except for myself and I didn’t use it on that guy.

[lavish sphinx]

I can’t find anything on Google about it hitting other people. But I’m pretty sure it’s mentioned in Tactyk’s advanced ULD video

Maybe that monk wasn’t standing behind the mob

[hollow patio]

That shouldn’t matter right? It’s not a frontal afaik

[lavish sphinx]

Struggling to find anything to back up what I’m saying. I’m pretty sure it’s mentioned around 11:00 in this video https://youtu.be/9Rpxxa4IK48?si=L_VbPy72xOGDP2UI

It’s not a frontal but it’s a “V”-something strike if I recall which means it hits something if the tank isn’t in range

Obviously it doesn’t seem to be consistent with just that rule though

[crude notch]

We've had metas without mass dispel, you really don't need it.

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sweating-i-need-it-dry-water-gif-8038646

[hollow patio]

Isn’t the whole idea behind kiting these mobs that their cast doesn’t behave like fervent strike? So you can just outrange it and they will recast or kite them and they won’t hit melees?

[lavish sphinx]

I’ve kited and not had them hit others so yeah

I heard it acts like a fervent strike but I can’t find that statement backed up anywhere either

Does anyone else know? Cause now I’m stumped

[broken kite]

Frontal if tank out of range

[lavish sphinx]

This would make sense

[sick sentinel]

im not sure what this is trying to say, but im sure it fits into wow somehow

[hazy bronze]

I'm gonna guess some Jesus thing

[sick sentinel]

you mena priest things?

sounds like priest tings, maybe paladin, to me

[remote venture]

Priest of Jesus Christ

[dusky canopy]

Yo why can’t I @ guilford

Did the homie get themselves banned???

[proper roost]

he's still here your discord is just bad

[dusky canopy]

SMH

@daring marlin

Gottem

Check out this sick centaur concept my dude

[strong forum]

[lusty tiger]

spooky

[blazing condor]

New worgen travelform

[lucid holly]

It’s the stairs. The ability bugs out if they are not on an even X axis. So if they cast on stairs it’ll fervent melee. If it’s in open area it’s fine

[sick sentinel]

lucio can be fun on ow2 for me

im struggling to find characters i can stick with that arent overpowered or cringe or bad

keep trying to make it stick cuz i heard OW is good, never sticks

somethin like that or i want to run 20 VP, 19 FH, 19 lair

[urban portal]

Ow is not good

[rapid plover]

I'm having trouble with a couple of tank busters on my prot warrior that I just geared up. Blazing slash in neltharus (think I just didn't spell reflect it like I should) and fissuring slam from runic protector in uldaman (both on 22 keys). They absolutely demolish me where nothing else really has to that extent. Is there any trick to them I'm missing other than try to spell reflect the slash?

[strong forum]

spellblock the slash

you cant reflect them

reflect itself is just 20% mitigation, but not reflection

[modern gazelle]

No? The chains in nelth. I said I kept getting ulda keys so I didn’t run mine.

[gloomy vortex]

Fissuring slam is the aoe from first golem?

[rapid plover]

runic protector

4 packs after talondras

i suppose thats the first golem

absolutely does nothing to my paladin

wrecks my warrior

[gloomy vortex]

Yep, completely destroys me so what I do is keep moving when you see it’s about to cast.. it’s a ground effects

[rapid plover]

casts where you were standing or where you are?

[gloomy vortex]

Where you are

[rapid plover]

is the debuff only as long as you are on the ground?

[gloomy vortex]

So if you are moving then usually don’t get hit too much,

The damage is inflicted when you are on the ground effect

[rapid plover]

ya but theres a +damage taken debuff too

can't confirm if its only while youre standing on it or not

[gloomy vortex]

Yeah but that’s fine to take, tbh that only@comes from@first golem if I’m not mistaken

You have a lot of frontal damage packs there too so I just kite tbh

[violet flume]

i thought the runic golem slam does damage only on the initial hit, the ground just increases damage taken no?

[rapid plover]

all i know is i was pumping 90k hps in that room

and barely living

[violet flume]

yeah its rough

i figure its not blockable but its reduced by sotr

[gloomy vortex]

I find the initial damage is ok, it’s the ground effect that screw me on a 22/23

[violet flume]

ya well keep moving just to be safe then haha

[rapid plover]

that and blazing slash were the only wtf moments on my warrior so far

blazing slash is spell reflectable right?

[gloomy vortex]

Blazing slash is not

[rapid plover]

so just gotta take it?

[gloomy vortex]

You should be spell blocking it

[rapid plover]

ok

[violet flume]

ya it sjust damage taken increase

slam is 70k damage

[rapid plover]

i spell blocked the first one of the dungeon but the last 2 packs together wrecked me before last boss

but ya thats the debuff

i was talking about

[gloomy vortex]

Tbh the lst pack should be skipped on high keys

In my opinion

[rapid plover]

pugs dont take invis potions

[gloomy vortex]

You can skip without invis

[rapid plover]

right nm

was thinking about 2nd to last

[gloomy vortex]

You can walk between the pack and the single guy on the right

[rapid plover]

ok back to debuff

says it lasts 30s

but i was pretty sure it didnt last if you stepped off it

[violet flume]

ya it doesn

the zone stays for 30s i guess

[rapid plover]

ok

[gloomy vortex]

Yes it’s three area you are in that causes the debuff

[rapid plover]

tooltip threw me for a loop

[gloomy vortex]

Tbh the routes say skip that group but I have never been able too

[rapid plover]

same

but if i tank a 23 i will try

gonna have to practice it

maybe mind soothe

[gloomy vortex]

Tried that

[rapid plover]

just feels bad that some of these tank busters barely affect my paladin

and paladin is an easier tank imo

[gloomy vortex]

Same with bear

[modern gazelle]

25% now

[rapid plover]

ya bear is more egregious but being able to keep up sotr so easily feels bad. maybe i still need to improv eon warrior though, only my second week of max level

i definitely enjoy it more than pally

thanks for the help

[violet flume]

maybe its just me or my pally is too low ilevel but i feel like i generally get slapped harder than on my warrior

[rapid plover]

I heal it back on pally

and i have a cheat death

[violet flume]

yeah WoG is crazy good

[rapid plover]

and a bubble

and ardent defender and the aoe damage reduction

[violet flume]

its like you take more damage but got more emergency tools which isnt too awful i guess

[rapid plover]

its got so many tools

[gloomy vortex]

I don’t like that one mistake with a warrior and you can’t recover

[rapid plover]

just not as fun for some reason

one of them being the mana cap

[violet flume]

turned your back to mobs while grabbing more mobs? gg

[rapid plover]

yep

pally can recover

warrior has to pray to heal god

[violet flume]

i took the battle scarred veteran pill tbh

4% dps loss worth it

[rapid plover]

i did too for my 22's

but no one else does

[violet flume]

i saw most prot wars at high keys take it too

[rapid plover]

not what i saw

they dont take it at the highest levels of prot

cuz you got a good group to back you up

pally healer guarantee backup

[violet flume]

seems to be dungeon dependent

and some tanks just use it all the time

[rapid plover]

its a pretty strong cd

but hmm. must have missed that

[modern gazelle]

It’s not though. It bugs out and procs when you are full health

[violet flume]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/34#class=Warrior&spec=Protection

theres a bunch

but neltharion's lair and neltharus seems like its super popular for that talent

[rapid plover]

23% on uldaman

[violet flume]

i never noticed dawn

[south zealot]

yes bc the damage isnt really needed, esp in nelths lair

[violet flume]

it always seemed to proc appropriately for me? never at full hp

[south zealot]

u just need to live

the chain pulls in neltharus and the first pull/2nd hulk in NL are insanely hard

[violet flume]

at any rate i just do +20s so i dont need to ultraminmax haha

[south zealot]

especially on fort

[modern gazelle]

Nelths lair is so free

[rapid plover]

do you guys do the whole pull in NL?

[violet flume]

i can see that, i feel its definitely the easiest one

[rapid plover]

with hulk?

im too afraid to not split it

[modern gazelle]

Ideally you only do one hulk and skip 2nd

[gloomy vortex]

NL I get laughed at because I don’t mass pull including the hulks at 23

[south zealot]

u cant do only 1 hulk

[south zealot]

yes

[violet flume]

how do you skip 2nd hulk he pats around the boss

[modern gazelle]

You can

Oh wait I’m dumb

[south zealot]

well i havent done the guys after the hulk

[modern gazelle]

Forgot boss one

[south zealot]

well the 2nd hulk is the one u mind soothe

i meant the one around boss yeah

[modern gazelle]

I skip the one by pelters

[rapid plover]

2nd hulk is second boss

[violet flume]

ohh the 2nd yeah, i was thinking of the 3rd hulk

[gloomy vortex]

The first pull I usually just skip the hulk haha

[rapid plover]

im talking the first gauntlet before first boss

for this week im skipping him

[modern gazelle]

Then you have to do pelters?

Which is infinitely harder

[rapid plover]

you go left after first boss

also i dont know what key you guys are talking about 22/23 double pelters is fine.

[gloomy vortex]

I don’t enjoy pugs for higher keys because I don’t trust them.. that first pull is insane if they don’t know what to do

[modern gazelle]

If you have competent dps

[rapid plover]

ya

[gloomy vortex]

So I usually take the simpler route tbh

[modern gazelle]

First pull is fine to me. Never fails. It’s pelters that brick keys

[gloomy vortex]

Do you pull entire room?

[rapid plover]

i tried a 23 twice a few days ago. first group failed on pelters and i had our shadow priest mc one. key still failed. next group we didn't cc and they went down fast.

[modern gazelle]

Depends on group and if I have mind soothe

I ran it as a 24 last night and we only didn’t time cause 3rd boss bugged out and did fervent strike