that there are only 2 bleeds or so in all of m+
#protection
strong forum
lusty grotto
as if there some magical skillful thing to do against bleeds
strong forum
yeah and im explaining the thought process
real thunder
makes sense
lusty grotto
just press stops
strong forum
also
strong forum
this is the dmg breakdown of senses 27uldaman iirc
of first pull
reducing the 60 something % of melee dmg
increases your EHP vs the bleed and other shit happening
by a significant margin
most of the time where you are struck by a dangerous dot, youre also fighting buttloads of enemies
by the sheer virtue of removing 30%+ of melee dmg beyond block
leaves you with more of a buffer to not die to said dot
lusty grotto
strong forum
people only look at dmg intake in a vaccum "yeah but this 1 thing"
its rarely ever just this 1 thing
especially in big pulls, the scary ones
lusty grotto
agreed
vocal nimbus
whats the best usage of spell block in mythic sarkareth?
lusty grotto
i think the guy is gone nome
wish i would have shamed more tbh, saying shit like "squishy = haste/crit"
strong forum
there still lurkers
strong forum
whats the best usage of spell block in mythic sarkareth?
whenever you eat tank debuff
real thunder
nope, reading a well though response
lusty grotto
we must be playing paper tanks
vocal nimbus
whenever you eat tank debuff
is it worth to go for two stacks?
vocal nimbus
kk
strong forum
youll kill your raid if you do
(wont literally kill it) but you'll create a properly scary scenario if your raid doesnt use any CDs for when your debuff pops
on mythic you will kill your raid, on HC and lower 2 stacks is liveable but absolutely no reason to do so
vocal nimbus
was doing that way but i wanted to double check in case there was a cheese or something
strong forum
no cheese
vocal nimbus
will be a fun progress with my bdk cotank doing 50k at most
strong forum
hc or mythic
vocal nimbus
mm
strong forum
vocal nimbus
i play on def stance all the time
strong forum
lusty grotto
smh my head
vocal nimbus
i upll aggro otherwise
strong forum
i hope youre annoying him about it
vocal nimbus
i hope youre annoying him about it
lets say that im in no position to annoy him
lusty grotto
mythic guild tanks have massive fucking egos
vocal nimbus
im around 105% aggro even on dstance
lusty grotto
and/or are part of leadership
strong forum
youre overaggroing him
you are in position to annoy him
because hes playing like ass
vocal nimbus
ye but ppl be ppl
lusty grotto
nah i get what hes saying
strong forum
yeah idk i wouldnt let that shit fly
vocal nimbus
with a 2 spot role per raid and playing warrior there aint many places where to go
strong forum
i ran such a guild, and literally on the first raid night i told my cotank if hes not gonna do dmg im not tanking with him
cuz on the very first raid night he played pillow build
and i was like nah fam
we dont do that here
lusty grotto
how it should be
kind urchin
I just rip aggro and tell him to play better. Not gonna hold back for a shitty tank.
lusty grotto
ideally you wouldnt
lusty tiger
thankfully my last cotank actually asked for my talents and opener when i was ripping threat
lusty grotto
but if the other tank is the lead/officer, and this is the only guild thats on your schedule, youre kinda fucked
and/or if you dont have time to look for alternatives
they will do mental gymnastics too
if you say what nome is saying
undone verge
My offtank was doing callouts on echo so when I complained about ripping aggro it was my fault and the raid leader agreed with him
lusty grotto
"this is progression, we're not parsing" or some bullshit
modern gazelle
chilly brook
lets say that im in no position to annoy him
Wdym you’re in no position?
modern gazelle
how are you guys pulling this area of nelth lair?
im not pulling it all at once, just wondering
chilly brook
Fucking tell him to press his buttons
modern gazelle
cause i cant even live when i do hulk+2pack on left
chilly brook
Like he or anyone else would accept a dps or healer not pressing their buttons…..
He doesn’t get special treatment because he’s a tank
chilly brook
What
lusty grotto
read what i said
chilly brook
Zero tolerance for that shit anymore
chilly brook
It’s not acceptable to dictate that someone else has to sandbag just for you to be able to sandbag
lusty grotto
he should 100% be trying to get into another guild
but you know full well tank recruitment isnt really something that happens
undone verge
its so weird, like no one ever looks at tank dps as an issue, like my guilds other team had a 200k wipe on mag and one tank was doing 45k, like no ones gonne look after the pull and say, well if the tank just did 5k more dps the boss is dead. If the tank didnt die, theyre gonna look at the dps
crude notch
getting real Gromnak Blas0n wannabe vibes from Griff
undone verge
in fact they look at healer dps before tanks
lusty grotto
unfortunate
crude notch
its so weird, like no one ever looks at tank dps as an issue, like my guilds oth...
Because you can use that "if the tank did 5k more dps" on literally anyone else in the group
undone verge
Yeah but your tank could be parsing 10s and still no one would care. With dps, no mythic raiding guild is gonna even trial a dps that low
crude notch
that's a lie
south zealot
recruiting a tank is hard
so u dont shit talk the tank and hope they just do better
for lower level guilds
lusty grotto
nah
recruiting a tank isnt hard at all
its the fact that tanks usually have seniority on these guilds
so if a new person comes a long and challenges on anything
crude notch
most tanks are also egotistical idiots that will find any excuse ever
lusty tiger
execute phase in slands
undone verge
yeah its hella taboo to recruit a tank
lusty grotto
500% power trips
south zealot
recruiting a tank isnt hard at all
hmm anecdotally it was very hard to find an even remotely competent recruit
but that was a while ago
lusty grotto
well it depends on a lot of things
timing of the season/tier, and your schedule amongst other things
crude notch
Bruh don't compare imperative to your random w1k guild
south zealot
true
crude notch
that's not reasonable
south zealot
no this was before i joined imperative
cinder storm
I wonder if jdot woke up and decided to burn bridges today
lusty grotto
what'd jb do
south zealot
world 1600 guild 
cinder storm
crude notch
that's called copy pasta fam
lusty grotto
yea
crude notch
he literally got it from his chat
cinder storm
Ah, fell hook and sinker
lusty grotto
lol of course they did
sick sentinel
south zealot
i love the copy pasta bc what the fuck is "game deficit"
sick sentinel
average tank player
south zealot
i cant even imagine what its supposed to mean lol
vocal nimbus
dont overthink what i said about my cotank dudes
he is just bad
like not a bad person
just a bad player
so wahtever
crude notch
Like I hate to break it to ya but like 95% of tanks are gonna do shit dam and get away with it.
cinder storm
vocal nimbus
i've been tanking since legion i know
cinder storm
Like I hate to break it to ya but like 95% of tanks are gonna do shit dam and ge...
Dis is me
crude notch
Because the sad truth is, as long as you know how to position a boss and you aren't dying, the rest is whatever.
No matter what class discord andys tell ya
modern gazelle
can anyone give advice on nelth lair?
this area i always struggle how to combo pulls, ive tried hulk+2pack and i got obliterated
flat hatch
can anyone give advice on nelth lair?
Pain, lots of pain
modern gazelle
so i usually pull pelter+2pack to walkway by LOS then start hulk and maybe group that with geode, then do breaker+peleters
but its a bit slow
south zealot
this area i always struggle how to combo pulls, ive tried hulk+2pack and i got o...
you kinda have to do that pull
it fucking owns
use defensives often and well
use dstance there
timber nest
what trinkets are everyone using?
warm plinth
For what content
timber nest
m+
lusty grotto
timber nest
right now ima run anvil/dargrul
warm plinth
It's a good combo, though you gotta make sure you maximize anvil
jagged gust
I've taken to using gems to get my vers/mastery above 1k rating
pallid quiver
Damn
I got got by the no external emotes though
I went to post one of my favorite fighting game ones and I just forgot
warm plinth
we already have the best emote in this server
is so popular I've had to add it to two other servers
lusty grotto
im partial to 
lusty grotto
stop being a fraction
lusty grotto
jagged gust
nice dad joke
no you're nice
strong forum
<:keks:936231610850897992> is so popular I've had to add it to two other servers
Glad you like it
crude notch
modern gazelle
use defensives often and well
i died with dstance+wall up
golden tartan
is there anything to counter totems in brackenhide?
during level boosting
as a prot warr
i know druids can solo
lusty grotto
yes, group up
golden tartan
since i cant heal myself when i pull 10packs and theres 6 totems on the ground
im boosting my alts
nokhud i can solo
lusty grotto
yes, group up
turns out world of warcraft is a massive multiplayer online role playing game
lusty grotto
ok then, have you tried the multiboxer discord?
golden tartan
my question was if i can counter totems in bhide as a prot warrior solo
im not multiboxing
lusty grotto
well if you find out let us know
golden tartan
if i was multiboxing then i wouldnt be doing this, id be farming something else
lusty grotto
ok my mistake, i misunderstood "i am boosting my alts"
lusty grotto
ok so i didnt misunderstand, youre effectively multiboxing
if so, have you tried asking multiboxer discord?
golden tartan
multiboxing essentially means mirroring ones movement between multiple boxing
"multiboxing"
this is just having different wow clients opened at the same time
controlled by alt+tabbing
lusty grotto
oh my mistake, have you tried asking multi client discord then?
golden tartan
manic?
lusty grotto
i have no idea if theres any, im not an alt booster
crude notch
did you not do research on level boosting in the brackenhide zone beforehand?
strong forum
thats 400 rage spent in 14 seconds on ST
hazy bronze
Almost 40 a second waow
strong forum
generally
we're at 1k rage per minute it looks like, bit less
atleast when you can perma blast without downtime
hazy bronze
im partial to <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
I joined this server for this one
sick sentinel
healer died 3 times was only problem in that key
warm plinth
Did you ask him if he's tried not dying
sick sentinel
nah, i just threw on d stance whenever stuff got dicey cuz i saw him die at least once.
figured if it lets him focus on group, probably good thing
uneven mason
Imagine dying as a holy paladin
cinder storm
I think yogi is so close to doing a 20 now
sick sentinel
he died to rushing winds twice, and wind bolts, all 3 times (combination of them on first 2)
lusty tiger
mad drip on the priest
violet flume
did yogi even do any +20 last season
i remember he was doing only 16s
do it yogi +20 it up
theyre not hard to time you just need to not wipe, even then you can probably do it
violet flume
fair but i just want to elevate him to higher levels
crude notch
no you want to force him to higher levels
violet flume
right yogi come do +20 keys with me you cant say no
lusty tiger
gz
lavish sphinx
So I'm torn between what to craft - I have 441 in all tier except legs (447 legs); legs is what's typically swapped out so should I craft legs and wait for vault to fill up the other slots? or craft another slot now?
Overthinking it?
warm plinth
ilevel matters more than stats. There's no reason to fixate on one slot being worse or whatever. If anything I'd make another slot now just to have another 447
lavish sphinx
Is there any hierarchy for must have tier slots?
warm plinth
I'm sure someone somewhere has made an arbitrary one but it literally does not matter
south zealot
infinite stacking ability haste, all items on super low cd, increased shielding power
idk if anyone plays arena but holy moly
marble ingot
is there a good wa for the tier set procc after last stand?
warm plinth
Just use a template and track Earthen Tenacity
marble ingot
will do, thanks chief
muted crown
as prot in dungeons do i still want to stance swap with the buffs to def stance?
lavish sphinx
How do you guys fit Beacon in your rotation? Just use on cd?
opaque quest
Depends on the dungeon. I keep mine for shit like totems otherwise just burn it
sick sentinel
I'm curious if any of you guys find yourself using defensive stance more now that it's only just a 5% dmg nerf
More often, not majority of key
hazy bronze
How do you guys fit Beacon in your rotation? Just use on cd?
Also bear in mind no blocking while casting
So if 30 mobs are rocking you I would reconsider at that moment
lavish sphinx
I'm curious if any of you guys find yourself using defensive stance more now tha...
More because it’s a Fort week, I just pop Def Stance before pulling a tough mob rather than when a tank buster comes
hazy bronze
Using for Enforcer on the first pull of FH won’t be it then
The cast time is quick so you can either use to pull or round everything up, Shockwave and use quickly
lavish sphinx
Also a good point. Thanks
hazy bronze
I, personally, find it to be annoying and just use anvil/dargul 
lavish sphinx
I’ll just have to get more practice in
jagged pier
On cd and use it to pull if ucan
lavish sphinx
Big range?
jagged pier
If not just shockwave and cast if your afraid of dying
Of sw and cast
Well its what 30yards i think
lavish sphinx
That’s pretty good
jagged pier
So on bosses try to use on pull or during damage increase phases
sick sentinel
I, personally, find it to be annoying and just use anvil/dargul <a:huggies:80081...
I currently use hourglass +whatever
sick sentinel
More because it’s a Fort week, I just pop Def Stance before pulling a tough mob ...
i've been using it on start of pulls where i have to go get another pack ahead, and because bursting, when bursting stacks appear (for the healer sake of sanity)
crude notch
@daring marlin is your name from the town in CT?
lusty tiger
Guilford is busy eating 2nd breakfast
dusky canopy
3rd* probably
opaque quest
I just rolled a 1 on 2 cloaks that dropped on sark. Pls hold me im falling ill
Unluckiest person award goes to me baby
blazing condor
Shouldnt have played bdk
strong forum
skill issue detected
modern brook
Have you tried rolling higher?
blazing condor
U know u can cheat by writing /roll 100-100 right
brittle owl
clever use of game mechanics wdym
plush tendon
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/trigger-warning-unsub-post-layers/165738...
Whats the trigger warning for?
ocean finch
Hello guys! I've just resubbed after a long break, havent touched anything this season. Played Prot/Arms warrior last season and planning to come back and take the tanking spot in the friend party. How bad/good are prot warr atm for M+?
I've seen that bears are dominant before the nerfs atleast, but is prot warr okey to play if you arent the very top 0.1% or are they so bad that I should look for another class?
mighty valley
Every spec is playable if you're not trying to hit the top keys possible
The bigger challenge is getting accepted to groups as a non-meta spec because the community is silly
But if you make your own groups, play what you want tbh
ocean finch
Yea true, but its not like I will make our M+ time complete awful time cause I cant take certain packs etc?
plush tendon
not at all
mighty valley
no, you'll be fine if you play well
chilly brook
BG3 was awesome, last 1/3rd or so of Act 3 was a little bit of a let down though
lusty tiger
Score! Got an extra dumpling!!!
tired grove
i have this weird timer on a bunch of different boss encounters (m+ and raid), probably some broken wa
anyone know what that might be from?
("Add in 798281")
lusty tiger
Do you have a m+ weakaura pack?
tired grove
yaa
tired grove
i just got the latest version of it and now there is a voice saying "nice cock" every time i close my wa config window
i feel like im being trolled
lusty tiger
nice cock
you need to take a look at your weakauras and clean em up
surely you have too many considering you are at "virus having" level of random WAs
uneven mason
i mean if a guildie links it i get it
My 9 year old knows not to click random links
jagged gust
On the logic of using lust in m+, if a pack of mobs will take the full or near to full duration of the buff is it always worth it to use it on trash packs as opposed to the boss?
supple path
Depends if the boss is dangerous and lust reduces your odds of wiping.
But you typically never want to time it such that you're holding it long enough that you get one less lust in the run overall.
jagged gust
Yeah I guess that's the smartest way to think about it
jagged gust
Depends if the boss is dangerous and lust reduces your odds of wiping.
I'm just struggling to think of an encounter where with a competent crew that's gonna be the case
and if so ripping lust in an aoe situation is always going to be the fastest clear time
I'm talking purely for premade group play, can't always trust pugs of course
supple path
With a competent crew carries a lot of weight, yeah. Main case there would be higher keys and avoiding certain abilities where you may not have the CDs to handle another wave, but that's outside of my experience.
lusty tiger
lust helps smooth out big pulls that have high risk/reward
it minimizes the risk so you can nearly guarantee the reward
south zealot
bosses take the longest
lust bosses if timings allow usually
some trash you need to lust though like double enforcer
if you skip 1st pack to do after lust in freehold
lusty tiger
hell yeah
uneven mason
Doing the heavy lifting
polar crow
Ok quick question..... Onyx Imposters (BiS) at 437 Champ or Bloodied Wedding Ring at 441 hero?
uneven mason
uneven mason
I mean, within reason
sick sentinel
im told a socket is worth 13 item levels
so, if you have a socket ring, DONT VENDOR IT
polar crow
No socket on either
uneven mason
Right, depends on the gem
But like generally you're not going to sacrifice much ilvl regardless of the secondary
polar crow
crit haste on onyx and vers mast on bloodied
sick sentinel
versa is a cult
sick sentinel
Confusing?
polar crow
Ok so keep onyx then. Thanks guys
sick sentinel
wiat i know, contradictatory
uneven mason
crude timber
Hey guys , please help me, how we get to 40/40/10/10? My haste goes around 40% with consumables ,but my crit its 33 full socket crit/haste , ring crit, all crafted crit haste. Versa 7% mastery 22%... but crit not even close 40% at 445. Its the flask? Are we using crit flask? Or we go for some kind of trinkets for that?
M+
crude notch
Hey guys , please help me, how we get to 40/40/10/10? My haste goes around 40%...
40/40/10/10 means 40% of your stat budget is haste and crit each and 10% of your stat budget is mastery and vers each. It doesn't mean actual character sheet 40% haste 40% crit 10% vers 10% mast.
lusty tiger
🤔
uneven mason
40/40/10/10 means 40% of your stat budget is haste and crit each and 10% of your...
So like rating
crude notch
yes
crude timber
40/40/10/10 means 40% of your stat budget is haste and crit each and 10% of your...
Oh ratio from total stats ok makes sense now. And crit flask is playable for +23 keys?
cinder nova
Not missing out.
Cloak is big simbait. Garbage in keys, garbage in raid.
No idea why they made it shit.
crude notch
Oh ratio from total stats ok makes sense now. And crit flask is playable for +23...
you could literally play no flask in +23 and be fine, so yes
crude timber
cinder nova
Yeah, the dot from crit is pretty pithy and the damage you take from it is far, far eclipsed by both the DPS gain and parries.
Guarantee you'll still get grief from pugs not wearing tepid vers, though. Even in DF S2 I see people deep-throating vers in M+ like we're in the last patch of BFA.
crude timber
Guarantee you'll still get grief from pugs not wearing tepid vers, though. Even ...
Amazing. Ty
crude notch
99% of people won't even care enough to look. You're letting the 1% get to you, grow up.
cinder nova
Damn jordan out here doing the full pscyhoanalysis again
crude notch
Nah fam, it ain't that deep.
south zealot
Cloak is big simbait. Garbage in keys, garbage in raid.
is it garbage in raid
its just free damage
crude notch
Not garbage in raid
cinder nova
Absolutely is garbage in raid.
It's just a parse tool, on a good day.
There's no guarantee you'll even get a proc over an entire fight because of how stacks shake out between pulls.
The glaring inconsistency is laughable, uptime is worse, and generally it's a huge loss in stamina that can make certain M prog kinda sketch.
austere lava
Guarantee you'll still get grief from pugs not wearing tepid vers, though. Even ...
Pithy? Explain
cinder nova
The word or the statement?
cinder nova
Pith is like... the stuff you see in plants, for example the white fibrous spongy shit you see in bell peppers.
cinder nova
But the statement is more or less that people will see a crit flask on a tank and assume they're throwing. Doesn't happen often, but if someone raises hell about it, probably best you just drop the key before it starts anyway.
People like that tend to be pretty outrageous and aren't worth your 20-30 minutes of effort.
I dunno, I disagree. If I see people trying to micromanage something they got no clue about on another player, it's a huge red flag for me and an extremely strong incentive to either urge the bastard kicked or find a new key.
There's a difference between constructive help and just outdated knowledge thrown in the most arrogant self-assured way you can imagine.
And yes, the... irony is not lost on me. #protection message
Cloak sims fine, but in practice it's kinda poo. You can play it, but don't expect much for it.
Like... if I ask:
Hey, aug can you take cauterize and overawe for this ULD? Lots of bleeds and it's raging, so you'll get a lot of mileage. Does that ruin anything in your spec?
As opposed to:
bro why aren't you running cauterize wtf respec
It's better to ask to understand than presume something you might not have a complete picture on, then come off looking like an ass.
south zealot
i dont tank raid so this may be 
take
but like the cloak is free damage so if ur not getting blasted u just run it
urban portal
Stamina kekw
sick sentinel
more hp = live longer
crystal igloo
what can I do as a tank for bursting?
primal crypt
What dungeons you play spell block in @strong forum
cinder nova
but like the cloak is free damage so if ur not getting blasted u just run it
It's really not "free" damage when you aren't even getting 1 proc per fight.
Plus the actual output is gonna have a lot of swing based on when it actually drops.
And if you have CDs, or if you have uptime, or if you aren't having to move the boss in position, or if you have lust.
It looks good on paper, but simbait isn't a new concept.
Losing even a second or two uptime on the one proc you'll get every 2nd or 3rd pull is basically a huge loss on the actual value of why you're wearing the thing.
cinder nova
What dungeons you play spell block in <@192743144276623360>
Pretty sure the default is ULD/Neltharus.
Neltharus for the... well, there's no shortage of stuff it's good for. Flaming Slash comes to mind immediately.
Uldaman helps for Tyr on last boss to smooth out breath damage, but I think they nerfed it? Might not be as crippling now.
You could probably justify it on Fort/Tyr HOI if you really want to play it safe.
cinder nova
lol it's not if you aren't even getting 1 proc per pull
You're just wearing a worse cloak unless it's 450
cinder nova
I'd like to see that log
Because after 2 weeks of prog wearing it, never went off in any way that seemed to matter, and entire attempts it never went off at all.
warm plinth
Yogi wants all the trinkets
sick sentinel
is good enough and automagical trinket
warm plinth
We don't ask questions
primal crypt
south zealot
i could just have above average luck so far
sick sentinel
south zealot
its like 20 pulls with 28 aprocs
sick sentinel
i have these trinkets
primal crypt
warm plinth
lol yogi you still have your raid trinks from last season?
Wait you have a grieftorch
cinder nova
its like 20 pulls with 28 aprocs
What's your average uptime over the night
sick sentinel
which one?
strong forum
What dungeons you play spell block in <@192743144276623360>
is covered in the faq
but tldr is neltharus, uldaman,
can be good in hoi and bh
warm plinth
which one?
south zealot
was 6%
warm plinth
Isn't that from s4 SL? lol
strong forum
no thats grieftorch
warm plinth
Yeah I thought grieftorch was from SL
warm plinth
Oh
sick sentinel
warm plinth
I'm dumb then
sick sentinel
i also have these ones
warm plinth
I was using grieftorch on my hunter for a while at the start of this season so I should have known
strong forum
used to be in the pins
cleaned up the pins and updated faq
primal crypt
cleaned up the pins and updated faq
it's beautiful
I want to be a big prot warrior guys
huge even
primal crypt
standing by
primal crypt
still holding
primal crypt
...
sick sentinel
not blocked meeles
but im not entirely sure beyond that
was first death of that pull
primal crypt
how come you didnt just live
sick sentinel
166k melee so unblocke do rsomethin
primal crypt
should have used your face
warm plinth
Okay but can we talk about the hunter who is still using a spirit beast
sick sentinel
we timed DW i didnt fail any of those 8 VP 17s i showed
bunch of them are 2 chest
every single one except that was a 2 chest
strong forum
gaming
sick sentinel
heart, i dont know the full mechanics on it
but it can go off like, i think 5 times
and it doesn't really seem to have a CD and it can crit
crits for 130k on 437
sick sentinel
welll, am saying for sure, i went to zaralek and i fought a bunch of mobs, it went off alot more than twice a minute
feels bad to equip 437 trinket over 441 for me
grim pilot
ayo am I that shit of a tank or does this pack slap cheeks hard
compared to other packs
warm plinth
Is that the third pull in VP?
sick sentinel
thats VP before first boss?
warm plinth
idk, it's more group damage than tank damage, but you do have some hard hitters in there. Mistral and gust soldiers both melee fairly hard
grim pilot
like I had 3 packs on me before and it was all good
warm plinth
You could've gotten unlucky with wind bolts maybe
sick sentinel
they do triple melee's
grim pilot
and then I went here
shield wall full shield block full IP
and I got assblasted in few seconds
warm plinth
On what key level 🤔
warm plinth
Yeah that sounds...not right
Do you have a log of it by chance?
Maybe you got hit in the back or something
grim pilot
I mean I was trolling hard that run overall but ye I can show u the log
undone verge
man you pull 2 packs in Freehold and all of a sudden your group turns into a bunch of monkeys on typewriters
undone verge
I dont generally have problems, but that pack definitely hurts a bit more than the others
is that the 5 pack right before the bridge?
grim pilot
g5
warm plinth
Yeah you took an absolute buttload of melees to the back
grim pilot
wtf
warm plinth
like all these were to the back
grim pilot
oh ye
XD
idk what I did there
maybe started running away from aoe shit or sth idk
warm plinth
Well you gotta be careful of the gust soldiers because they charge away then come back
So maybe they just came back to the back side of you
undone verge
to be fair as well looked like the healer was afk for a while while you sat at 30% hp, not excusing taking the dmg in the first place, but it definitely didnt help
crude notch
...
undone verge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bnxdRQXv7YMWKL8N
other stuff im seeing is you rage starve yourself a bit before your death at 2:25, casting IP at 40 rage which caused a 15 second window where you didnt get above 50 rage before spending it on IP, and your cpm is a little low which=less rage=less IP
crude notch
12 natty AAs to the face "but the healer was AFK!!"
undone verge
yeah cause 20k hps as the group dies is real good
crude notch
Except he was asking about his own death
undone verge
yeah and all I said was the healer wasnt doing the best then literally provided reasons for his own death
crude notch
Taking 1 million damage in .2 seconds the healer could be God that boy ain't living
sick sentinel
hunter in 17 vp early packs says "life is flashing before my eyes"
have to stop basically every pull for healer mana when no priest
those gust soldier on fort are no joke
grim pilot
other stuff im seeing is you rage starve yourself a bit before your death at 2:2...
I mean I was just curious about my death
I really dont care about prot or how it works
I just try to keep sb and ip up
and fuck around
mighty valley
fucking around is how you find out
undone verge
Taking 1 million damage in .2 seconds the healer could be God that boy ain't liv...
100%, was just an observation, dps seemed shit too with standing in stuff and lack of cc so maybe I'm wrong, Im not a disc priest expert and analyzing the healing to prove my point
crude notch
BROOOOO
That doesn't matttttterrrrrrrrrr
in the context of the question being askeddddddd
crude notch
warm plinth
Did you already see this?
crude notch
Yeah
warm plinth
sick sentinel
Did you already see this?
asmongoldbitchingvideo.exe is loading
that man is an npc for this type of headline
warm plinth
I think the only bad part is the bonus tender for the heroic/epic versions
Because you were either going to buy the expansion or you weren't. If you weren't, then the tender doesn't matter, and if you were, you just get free tender
sick sentinel
if he wants to be sly about it he can call the video "no more free tendies?", or another variant of that, with like, stonk memes or somethink
warm plinth
what
noble viper
hunter in 17 vp early packs says "life is flashing before my eyes"
I mean had a spriest and augment die to dumb mechanics in a 18 vp… and their mains were 2500 +
modern gazelle
can someone who runs 24+ vod record an ulda for me? on fort week
im struggling with surviving even with spell block, think i need to know when to kite better
sick sentinel
i wonder if all the tenders going into bundles mean the tendies are well recieved or the opposite
or if they don't matter at all lol, could be any of 3
jagged gust
can someone who runs 24+ vod record an ulda for me? on fort week
Look up Sense's youtube, has high key runs of everything.
modern gazelle
Look up Sense's youtube, has high key runs of everything.
he has one run but not sure if its tyr or fort
jagged gust
its fort
modern gazelle
oh nice
lavish sphinx
If you’re talking about the Basilisks, I noticed Sense skips that first pack of 3
warm plinth
You can't spell block chomp anyway so I don't think he's talking about that. In fact, what do you even spell block in Uldaman now that I think about it 🤔
lament plank
Last boss sand breath
lavish sphinx
The frontal on Emberon, stone spike and chain lightning casts. Hails of stones too I think
warm plinth
Didn't think any of that was particularly dangerous other than sand breath. Chain Lightning needs to be kicked anyway because it's savage.
lavish sphinx
Just realised Fissuring Slam and Thunderous Clap and spell blockable
That’ll be handy
round pendant
I just want to say "I told you so" regarding tenders
median tulip
If you’re talking about the Basilisks, I noticed Sense skips that first pack of ...
Those things are fkn horrible is why
lavish sphinx
Yeah, skipping them is awesome
jagged gust
Damn, so close but so far, I think with swapping the Primalist Gem and getting the chest/gloves to 447 we can finally see an unbuffed war break 1mil hp... Might need a 450+ cloak for the finishing touches though
marble ingot
forgestorm or crafted weapon?
marble ingot
ty !
twilit stag
Hi, noob prot here, do I ever use Whirlwind?
little ermine
twilit stag
Thanks!
crisp fractal
Finally killed Sarkareth-Mythic last night ... and one of the first things i get to hear "Next Raid you better play a real Tank" ... all fun 😉 Realy had Fun this Tier as ProtWarri even or precisely because it was more challenging! 😄
warm plinth
Congratulations friend
sand pebble
stealing that, covered names, going to troll aug discord on blp
median tulip
Ye Gods, the gauntlet in Halls of Infusion is a real pain on Storming
lavish sphinx
Fucking oath
wooden radish
@strong forum long time fan. question - how much melee dmg does prot warrior do
noble viper
crafted for m+
Curious why? Crafted for M+ and not forge
strong forum
we got buffed like 2-3 times
hardy snow
Curious why? Crafted for M+ and not forge
it gives more dmg in aoe
strong forum
so we get more aoe dmg out of stats than flat dmg the forgestorm proc provides
and forgestorm is HEAVILY rng dependant
noble viper
I see I see, I’ve been holding off crafting it just bc I thought forge was the go to. Thanks
strong forum
that being said
if you dont regularily pull 120k+ overalls, forgestorm is likely slightly better for you
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
<@192743144276623360> long time fan. question - how much melee dmg does prot war...
mwahis cat youre back
blazing condor
Whats he sayin i dont speak broke
merry pond
imagine running heroic on a weekly basis with 8 alts....
lusty tiger
sounds torturous
lusty grotto
not this shit again
opaque quest
imagine running heroic on a weekly basis with 8 alts....
I have a friend that does that. He buys a boost on all his chars to get 9/9 then ruins other ppls HC runs on all his chars by doing no dmg xd
Saw this further up. What addon is that? Bigwigs?
strong forum
hazy bronze
Does require a boss timer iirc
remote venture
I have a friend that does that. He buys a boost on all his chars to get 9/9 then...
I never understood that kind of gaming
opaque quest
Does require a boss timer iirc
Ye i got DBM anyways. The WA also says it hijacks DBM/BW
opaque quest
I never understood that kind of gaming
Me neither. He has no idea how to dispell an afflicted add but flexes all his HC loot. Its weird
This is him in a 14 with his 440 DH tank that he boosted 2 days ago
lusty tiger
ur friend is cringe
opaque quest
ik ik
uneven mason
This is him in a 14 with his 440 DH tank that he boosted 2 days ago
Isn't vdh like, more unkillable than even bdk in current content
opaque quest
Yeah but hes a retard that doesnt learn classes and just buys HC vip boosts then has 440 after 1 run
modern gazelle
How many crafted pieces can we have by now?
I have a full set except tier/trinkets. But I have people saying they still need 3 crafted and they are “up to date” on sparks…
modern gazelle
Not sure I started late
uneven mason
16 weeks so that's 9? Sparks
Or 8.5
Seems like they're aiming for all but 4p and trinkets as crafted?
modern gazelle
That’s what I said. We can have all but 4p/trink crafted by now
Somehow they have 3 more pieces to craft but say they are caught up
uneven mason
If we have only 8 sparks than we'd be 3 shy still
17slots?
Tier and trinkets are 6, although no reason to do rings or cloak
uneven mason
As prot
lusty tiger
Ah
uneven mason
But yeah I guess I'm just content with my crit haste Ring
lusty tiger
Does it have a socket?
uneven mason
Yes
lusty tiger
Yea gucci
uneven mason
Because vault was poo
lusty tiger
):
uneven mason
Haven't reupped my sub in a bit
Got ksm on all my tanks, aotc 443 and was contented , Aug and September are poggers for game release
Got starfield landing in 6 days
Bg3
Has been consuming me
lusty tiger
Got starfield landing in 6 days
This looks kinda fun
uneven mason
Skyrim in space, count me in
I had a good laugh, because no man's sky is trying to get some attention
And it's like, bruh, timing fail
lusty grotto
well tbf, no man sky has become really good
lusty tiger
They had their time in the spotlight
lusty grotto
and their free updates are always great
uneven mason
well tbf, no man sky has become really good
Yeah but announcing new features and shit when Starfield is a week away
lusty grotto
its smart for them to market
in case people dont wanna dish out 70 bucks
and get NMS for like 10 or idk
topical marketting
lusty tiger
Starfield is xbox exclusive?
uneven mason
It's like when Vanguard released literally 2 weeks after the Burning Crusade
lusty grotto
they would be stupid if they didnt do it
lusty tiger
uneven mason
jagged pier
make thunderfury great again
we amazing tanking with it during the stat squish in wod pre patch
uneven mason
jagged pier
same with bluwark and the armour buff being way to strong during that time as well
jagged pier
if tank damage doesnt matter why not use that it slow attacks
and spreads pretty well
strong forum
that was my thought process aswell
but iirc the atk speed slow didnt really work anymore
jagged pier
tbf i wouldnt mind a tank leggo, but not an item or like a healer leggo or range dps leggo etc works like a token gives u a leggo for that spec
yes some will probs be better than others
but could be fun
🤷
more imprtantly tho
let me tmog leggo cape that porc effects please
🙏
lusty tiger
😻
crude notch
Tank leggo would be beans. We all know it.
chilly brook
Got starfield landing in 6 days
I’m so hyped man
I finished BG3 so I’m ready for it
trim bay
Be less on HC. Imagine wiping then lvling again. I would suicide
uneven mason
I finished BG3 so I’m ready for it
Wife wants to play co-op so I have to move at the pace of not-gamer
chilly brook
Wife wants to play co-op so I have to move at the pace of not-gamer
Hey I mean kinda pog that your wife wants to play
uneven mason
She plays wow as well, but like
Let's just say those world content gearing paths are made for players like her
round pendant
Do we know when 10.2 is?
uneven mason
She about had a panic attack when I dropped in a +16 UR for her vault
sick sentinel
Let's just say those world content gearing paths are made for players like her
if it serves the intended players, its done it's job
jagged pier
probably november
uneven mason
Well get 8 weeks of 1.7
round pendant
This season was not fun for me at all
sick sentinel
HC HYPE!
uneven mason
So jakey is probably spot on
sick sentinel
azamous is a really funny streamer
uneven mason
That 2 week window because they won't want to drop it after BlizzCon
Probably a few weeks before
jagged pier
Ill we dont even have a list of dungeons let alone testing for them and the raid for next patch yet
uneven mason
So yea 6 weeks of 10.1.7 and we have the rwf wrapped up before BlizzCon
jagged pier
Reckon it will be after
So they wont have to giga nerf the raid if they have to get it done in time for blozzcon
uneven mason
Ugh 10.1.7 looks a bit shallow for more than 8 weeks
jagged pier
🤷
uneven mason
I mean 10.1.5 is pretty shallow for 2 weeks
jagged pier
So?
uneven mason
On par with 2.2
crude notch
It's not about the length of 10.1.7, it's about testing 10.2
sick sentinel
all im doing in 10.1.5 is farming out random 17s i need for IO and 441 gear
uneven mason
It's not about the length of 10.1.7, it's about testing 10.2
You're not wrong
crude notch
No.
jagged pier
Pure speculation but if u got by how lone 10.0 was it was around 6 months, so that might be cadence they are looking for nov to may, may to nov, now to may, may to new expansion.
But again
They could just drop the ptr for 10.2 on monday
uneven mason
I suppose I can really count anything after November 3rd as 10.1.7 content,
jagged pier
Or later today
uneven mason
Because there's going to be a lot to chew on
warm plinth
I do not know what your'e asking
lusty grotto
pretty sure that if it was possible, nobody would do it cause you need the percent
sick sentinel
its at the start, paladin died to something, run back took forever
healer got boss to like 0.1% hp and then died
its pretty much have to have a priest week
warm plinth
which boss
sick sentinel
well, im talking about the start of VP
that they died to bursting isn't really so much the problem but that they almost immeadiately release and spend 1 minute each walking back
they don't understand resurrection standards
kind urchin
I love when people release after combat has ended and we have someone that can rez them.
warm plinth
To answer your original question, there is no skip in VP if you haven't killed a boss yet. The skips unlock after each boss
crude notch
Alright here are some dates.
10.0 Nov 29th
10.0.5 Jan 24th (8 Weeks after 10.0)
10.0.7 Mar 21st (8 Weeks after 10.0.5)
10.1 May 2nd (6 Weeks after 10.0.7)
10.1.5 July 11th (10 weeks after 10.1)
10.1.7 Sept 5th. (8 Weeks after 10.1.5)
So 10.2 sometime between October 17th and November 14th using those numbers, although I'd lean Nov 7th or 14th.
strong forum
Twitter
knotty venture
8 weeks puts it at Oct 31st, Blizzcon is that weekend, raid would open the tuesday after more or less
quick garden
chat which one do i replace
strong forum
you replace the crit/vers ring
lusty grotto
can also sim
quick garden
idk how that shit works ngl
knotty venture
10.1 was adjusted due to d4 release conflicting with raid. 10.1.5 was longer to put things back on schedule
lusty tiger
simming is very easy nowadays
lusty grotto
versa andies 🤷
lusty tiger
just /simc -> copy -> paste into raidbots topgear
glass shuttle
Greetings! Picking up prot warrior and reading through guides, I am puzzled a bit: Prot has bloodletting or smth like that, applies a DoT effect on the enemy for 15 seconds. It's not shown in any rotations. Am I not supposed to put a dot onto the enemy?
I take it has to do something with rage spending and its value
warm plinth
Greetings! Picking up prot warrior and reading through guides, I am puzzled a bi...
If you mean Rend, it's because the Blood and Thunder talent in the class tree makes Thunder Clap apply it.
glass shuttle
If you mean Rend, it's because the Blood and Thunder talent in the class tree ma...
Different language lol
Probably rend, a 15 sec bleed
warm plinth
If you mean Deep Wounds, your auto attacks and Revenge apply it
warm plinth
That is Rend, yes
You don't need to cast that because the talent makes it apply. You shouldn't even have it on your bar
glass shuttle
Okay, so Rend is replaced by Thunder Clap, which you already cast off cooldown
glass shuttle
I'm trying to set up my bar rn, a little more buttons than I have on Fury 🙂
warm plinth
Yeah for sure haha
glass shuttle
Thanks for the quick reply!
warm plinth
No problem
glass shuttle
Damn, I had to use CTRL-row as well
warm plinth
glass shuttle
Sheesh, that's a step up after pressing 6 buttons as fury
I am unsure if I can wield such power
warm plinth
Can you show me your bars
glass shuttle
Ofc
I'm still working on it
I left all the leftover buttons from fury as they were
So I don't have to re-learn the whole setup
But all the new buttons I shuffled in
I think my shift-row need a tiny bit of work tho, there's slight inconsistency there
Basically, my thought process was that all of my rotational defence abilities (shield block, ignore pain) will be easily accessible with Q and E respectively
warm plinth
I assume you're not actually pressing e.g. shift-0?
glass shuttle
Gaming mouse
I only press shift with 1 finger and press the respective button on the mouse
hardy snow
mouse with calculator under the thumb is great
warm plinth
You can move hamstring to a less used bar
glass shuttle
mouse with calculator under the thumb is great <:okayge:917646812519739433>
big kekw
warm plinth
You should have it bound but you won't be spamming it or anything
glass shuttle
You can move hamstring to a less used bar
oh yeah I never use that shit
Plus, 6 for me is too far away
Little fingers
So I don't use that anyhow
xD
warm plinth
I would say you want your demo shout/shield charge/ravager/thunderous roar all in comparable places
Because you will use them at the same time
glass shuttle
Thunderous roar and Ravager are buttons from Fury
I am used to them on muscle level now
I know that ravager is G cause ravager is Gucci
warm plinth
lol
glass shuttle
And roar is just comfy on my mouse in the end
But demo shout and shield charge, let me see
Shield charge is the opener, right?
warm plinth
Nah you open w/ charge
You want to use shield charge after you've used demo shout so it's buffed
glass shuttle
And after im melee I press shield charge again?
warm plinth
we don't ever use shield charge as a closer
warm plinth
It buffs everything
w/ booming voice
bottom of the spec tree, left side of the middle
But you have to apply demo shout first, then use your CDs
glass shuttle
God help me, I hate having to communicate in one language while the game is in another
glass shuttle
Yeah okay that's booming voice
Found it
20% dmg buff to the targets of demo shout
ok
warm plinth
So that's why we never open w/ shield charge because you would never be able to buff it w/ booming voice
warm plinth
Yeah, though you don't necessarily need to taunt ofc, especially in aoe
just use taunt as needed
But the rest is correct
glass shuttle
Do I only use taunt reactively upon dropping agro?
warm plinth
Yeah, or when you're opening on a boss, or if you need to pick up an add that just spawned or something
glass shuttle
Okay, another question. Any addons that help me track aggro or tell me when I'm losing it?
warm plinth
Should be noted that in aoe scenarios, you are probably going to have to drop a thunder clap and/or revenge before you use your cooldowns
Because Demo costs a global, and you don't want to not hit anything for a GCD when dps are going ham
I just use plater, which changes nameplate color if I lose threat
glass shuttle
Right, because that helps keep... me as a target for mobs?
warm plinth
Well, damage x like 5.5 or something = threat. But whatever lol
I forget what our modifier is rn
glass shuttle
I just use plater, which changes nameplate color if I lose threat
I've got elvui, I think it shows mobs red when they are aggroed and green if not
I'll check
warm plinth
As long as you're pressing buttons on shit, threat shouldn't be a problem
Yeah, elvui nameplates do it as well
Pretty much all nameplate addons should
warm plinth
So if you see a red nameplate, that means one of your friends is getting their face beat on
glass shuttle
Currently reading my wowhead guide
glass shuttle
So if you see a red nameplate, that means one of your friends is getting their f...
A green one, I think
Means someone is getting slapped
For me it's red when aggro is on, green when its off
warm plinth
I would probably check that because oftentimes it's different for DPS specs
glass shuttle
its inverted for tanks
Ohhh, it's inverted by default when you're tank specced?
lusty grotto
as in someone has agro thats not you
warm plinth
Yeah because it's supposed to be like, red = danger
glass shuttle
Wow
lusty grotto
yeah red = bad
glass shuttle
That is smart af
warm plinth
So if you're DPS, red means oh fuck run
glass shuttle
Woah
warm plinth
But as a tank, red means oh fuck someone's getting wrecked
glass shuttle
So, pretty much still danger
warm plinth
right
glass shuttle
But as a DPS, you only care about your ass, while as a Tank you're a big kindergarden teacher
warm plinth
I would also suggest taking a look at the spell reflect sheet in the #268491842637660160 channel. You don't have to memorize it but there are some juicy reflects that you can do on some bosses
Tells you what you can reflect/block/spell block
glass shuttle
DBM is also needed, I think
For tanks especially
Gotta grab it, unless I want to do a reading on all the mechanics in the dungeons
warm plinth
#protection message this is a good read too, not that I'm biased or anything
glass shuttle
Cliff notes? What does that mean?
warm plinth
Oh, it just means it's condensed, bite sized
glass shuttle
Never heard that combination of words used before. The more you live, I suppose...
warm plinth
Cliff notes is a brand of study guides for students in the US, so we kinda use it as a phrase for summarizing something
glass shuttle
Cliff notes is a brand of study guides for students in the US, so we kinda use i...
That's cool!
Never heard about it, but then again, I'm not American
Cliff notes, huh, I'll remember that
glass shuttle
hes not NA
Certified EU moment
warm plinth
south zealot
Certified EU moment
sorry to hear that
glass shuttle
sorry to hear that
It aint that bad, y'know
warm plinth
Better than being American these days, that's for sure
Anyway, yeah, if you're new to tanking, it's gonna be a wild ride but stick it out and it's very satisfying.
glass shuttle
I shall do my best
Just a quick one here, I'll paste the common mistakes and go over a few questions, if you got the time and willingness to bear me lol
warm plinth
Sure, shoot
glass shuttle
Getting hit in the back. Do I take more damage in the back from mobs?
warm plinth
You can't block, dodge, or parry if a mob is behind you
And our primary mitigation is blocking
glass shuttle
Solid logic there by Blizz, no questions asked
So all packs should ALWAYS be in front of you, noted
And they should be turned with their backs towards my team
I think that too?
warm plinth
Kinda? I mean, it's not really your problem to make sure they're in the right place as long as you're facing mobs with frontals away from the group
If they wanna get themselves killed, that's on them
Default behavior should always be to face the mobs/boss/whatever away from the group, but beyond that, you can't play their toon for them
glass shuttle
Violent Outburst on Shield Slam nets me more damage, hence why I should use it on Shield Slam in solo target, while in AOE Violent should be used towards Thunder Clap, is that correct?
glass shuttle
Default behavior should always be to face the mobs/boss/whatever away from the g...
Noted
lusty grotto
it depends on target count
warm plinth
You still use outburst on Shield Slam unless you have like 5+ targets
glass shuttle
So Outburst is ONLY used on Shield Slam, UNLESS I have 5+ targets?
warm plinth
Right, though there may be times where you're forced to use it on Thunder Clap, because you don't sit around and wait for SS to be available.
and that's okay
Just use it on SS as much as you're able
glass shuttle
Uh-huh...
Damn, I think I'm getting into the little details too quick here
warm plinth
Yeah honestly, violent outburst is pretty low on my list of things that I'd tell a new pwar to focus on