but lmao
#protection
strong forum
proper roost
hits for ~280k on plate, their melees are special attacks so cant crit
strong forum
volcanic
warm plinth
yeah
proper roost
Kinda spooky if u get like two ig but u can easily live two or three melees in a row
or more if u just press a defensive simultaneously
jagged gust
Kinda spooky if u get like two ig but u can easily live two or three melees in a...
Imagine having a healer that can keep up two people simultaneously
sick sentinel
8.1 affix was the best affix
warm plinth
What a weird take. Like, SOMEONE has to be r1
jagged pier
well his point was u go back for ranks when u can do that fight or something like u play to live on prog i dunno
warm plinth
hm, I see
jagged pier
thing is
u dont die in prog
so what else are u supposed to do but learn to play the fight better and do more damage
🤔
jagged gust
What do you mean I have to do my rotation while learning?
how can I zug zug while thinking?
modern gazelle
theres always more room to zug
LIES
i use hekili, my rotation is flawless
cant be better
jk, dont roast me i dont use hekili lmao
jagged gust
Also speaking of learning, I got promoted to MT this week
Reservation dog is going mythic
jagged pier
like i dont know what some ppl are actually going, like my 1 zskarn kill is rank 67 because i was dead for 40 secs of the fight as our holy pala died before me and no other healers where healing
but how is that rank 67
how is it not last
its blue
its a 70% parse
i was dead
for 40 secs
like ppl just dont press buttons i swear
jagged gust
I had a ppal doing 40k on kazz a few weeks ago
warm plinth
This is a bit different ofc but I got a 97 parse my first and only kill of the first boss on heroic
Like, what else am I supposed to do on that fight
undone verge
and ive done it twice this tier
samsies
lusty tiger
uneven mason
shit was rough
Having a bdk cotank who is like "oh you aren't able to survive 14stacks, are you sure you're pressing buttons?"
undone verge
my bdk tank made us do it normal
warm plinth
I remember being in an Underrot like, 18 fort, and this bdk ended up having to solo a tick pack because some dumb hunter pulled it and killed us. Dude had 35 stacks by the time he killed them all and was completely fine until they died and he had nothing left to death strike 
jagged pier
i really wish sometimes i enjoyed bdk
ppl seem to have fun playing
it
and i just hate it
warm plinth
Yeah I'm the same way. I want to like it but I can't
I think part of it (for me at least) is that none of their abilities really sound/look good
undone verge
the healing of bdk is fun, like yoyoing your health, but actually trying to get dmg out of the spec is the worst gameplay experience
lusty tiger
It would be so fun
south zealot
the healing of bdk is fun, like yoyoing your health, but actually trying to get ...
what
wdym
lusty tiger
Yeah but deathgrip feels so nice
south zealot
playing for damage and playing to live are essentially the same thing
undone verge
i'm not saying playing for healing i'm just saying the aspect of watching your health go from 5%-100% is super satisfying, but dmg is just so clunky
south zealot
standing in dnd and is super dogshit
south zealot
eh thats fine to me
undone verge
iirc yeah
idr what its based on tho, I know boneshield gives flat armor no matter how many stacks, and you wanna keep boneshield above 5 stacks cause it reduces the cost of DS by 5 runic power, but idk if the haste is a flat value or stack based
uneven mason
Flat value iirc
Just 10% for having it
Like they have a lot of haste buffs in the tree
uneven mason
Yeah
south zealot
t
uneven mason
It's pretty easy to maintain 5
proper roost
for reduced rp cos
cos what?
south zealot
cos dn
proper roost
whats dn
uneven mason
lusty tiger
dreadnut
jagged pier
So glad i have it 
hollow patio
I am so bad. Thank God crit block and spell block owns. No need to be good. Just be lucky instead.
hollow patio
Wdym?
kind urchin
Was doing heroic alt raid this morning. I was on my bear and my co tank was on his warrior. He whispered me to ask why his single taget damage was so bad. I said "well first of all your build is trash". Then he kept dying to rashok and I checked logs. His vs my last rashok kill on my warrior. His shield block uptime was 56%. Mine was 99.97%.
warm plinth
why didnt u discharge your stack
Good double entendre right there
proper roost
is that not mythic rashok
warm plinth
It is, yes
proper roost
maybe I phrased it poorly
warm plinth
I think he was commenting on the fact that he took 2 flaming slashes in a row but still lived
sick sentinel
any of you guys to 1 million hp unbuffed yet? im 446 and 925k.
proper roost
but i feel like what I asked is pretty exact theres literally only one mythic mechanic change
Yeah for sure but also why he didnt drop overcharged
warm plinth
Oh idk what that mechanic is, so idk. Haven't done mythic
warm plinth
any of you guys to 1 million hp unbuffed yet? im 446 and 925k.
Nope. Not on war anywah
Anyway
proper roost
When he slams he leaves a dot on you that you drop by touching the center
warm plinth
Ahhh
proper roost
which is the overcharged dmg, idk why he wouldnt clear it insta as tank
I mean its not much but it adds up
kinda
sick sentinel
can you even reach 1 million hp before buffs?
sick sentinel
have to equip stamina trinket probably or gem stamina
warm plinth
Yeah
hollow patio
which is the overcharged dmg, idk why he wouldnt clear it insta as tank
It's not mythic, it's heroic
warm plinth
Just use ulda trink lul
crude notch
That's like 1.3k stam opop
proper roost
ghash lied
hollow patio
Would you be even able to survive that on mythic with a crit block?
strong forum
Yes
Has been done before
Also, what are we talking about?
Ima just spout some shit about what I think is going on
Rashok 2 hits of the same combo can be survived with crit blocks
A spell crit block is a 100% dmg reduction
A physical critblock is 85% dmg reduction, sense has survived the physical combo on mythic before
And 2x flaming slash can also be survived if you crit block the 2nd hit
Unless im missing some other component that's going on besides phat slap
hollow patio
If it's a 100% dmg reduction why did it almost kill me?
I don't think it was a normal block right?
strong forum
Cuz you didn't crit
Or you don't have a good ilvl shield
What ilvl is your shield
hollow patio
447
strong forum
Then you didn't crit
hollow patio
11m normal block? Shouldn't the rest of the damage just flat kill me then?
strong forum
I think
You got a critblock whilst having 4 stacks of bfi
That's the only thing I can think of
For it not being 100% reduction
crude notch
yeah you had to have had a crit block there that wasn't 100%
hardy snow
for overcharged dot on Rashok we have second wind, it does good job there 
strong forum
Around the time where you got hit by the 2nd slash
And only had 4 stacks of bfi
And not 5
Hm no that's also not it
You lost your 5th bfi stack at 3:03
But took the hit at 2:57
So that's not it either
Yeah im at a loss
Why you took any dmg at all from that hit
Ah I think I know why
Prolly cuz K value
Earlier in the fight you critblock another flame slash, but that one was only 94.12% mitigation
Yeah okay so I guess in raid K value is too high, so critblock spells aren't 100%
@hollow patio
hollow patio
Hmm okay. So I guess in mythic you will die even with a crit block as 94% probably isn't enough right?
strong forum
It's even lower in mythic
hollow patio
Okay
strong forum
But if the phys hit is liveable on mythic
With just SW + critblock + LS + Max hp + Max IP
Maybe the magic hit is aswell
proper roost
strong forum
Dunno if sense had demo shout up for that aswell or not
hollow patio
Yeah I guess I could have used more. I just used SW. Could have been in dstance+reflect
strong forum
Well that also helps
Stacking as much shit as possible for the 2nd hit, but ideally
Just don't take it
Makes it alot easier
Other than for science, just play the fight correct
hollow patio
Don't blame me. I am just an idiot healer main that just presses random buttons and tries to make it work
strong forum
Not blaming anybody
proper roost
also not taking two slashes in a row is ideal but wcyd
hollow patio
Probably tilted my tank mates cause I press aoe taunt accidentally like every fight
jagged gust
any of you guys to 1 million hp unbuffed yet? im 446 and 925k.
With priest buff I assume?
undone verge
any of you guys to 1 million hp unbuffed yet? im 446 and 925k.
what are u running double stam talents or something?
hardy snow
on mythic you can use spellblock for first two combos and then SW for third, cycle repeats each phase
also if you have resto shaman and use spirit link for some raid mechanic that occurs right before tank combo - tell your tank to go outside of s.link
it can halve his hp right before tank buster hit, which is bad
jagged gust
Must be double stam talents, 445 and I'm sitting at 890k, unless he's running stam gems?
You know what, I bet we could break 1mil with bad gems and talents
hardy snow
Yeah I guess I could have used more. I just used SW. Could have been in dstance+...
use d-stance for every combo, it cost nothing to swap for a moment
and use impeding victory if you are going to receive 2nd type of hit in combo
to heal up after first one
and we dont even need block for phys hit to survive
crude notch
You know what, I bet we could break 1mil with bad gems and talents
1 sip of yogi-aid and this is what happens folks
sick sentinel
what are u running double stam talents or something?
i think one is a boots enchant maybe
jagged gust
Not even with gems 😢
strong forum
Just equip the best trinket in the game
hardy snow
codex? 
strong forum
It's such an insane trinket
Get ready for a stat that doesn't provide any offensive benefit
Mixed with a trinket effect that does less than 100 dps or hps
!!!
The best of both worlds
hardy snow
the only thing that can make it better
strong forum
100% hypothetical ehp
strong forum
jagged gust
Okay now either my hp or my ui is bugged, because I removed all my stam gems and my hp is still sitting at 930k
strong forum
?
warm plinth
Mixed with a trinket effect that does less than 100 dps or hps
I'm a firm believer that inexorable resonator is the most literal garbage that ever literal garbaged.
strong forum
I'm a firm believer that inexorable resonator is the most literal garbage that e...
yeah probably
atleast since m+
its the worst trinket ever created
crude notch
honestly it just needs to add a slow to you
lavish sphinx
Shit son... Heroic Beacon is the move right?
jagged gust
Well I was at 892k, then stam gems and Enduring Alacrity brought me up to 967k, but I removed both gems and talent but I was still sitting at 930k
lavish sphinx
447 Gloves are a direct upgrade too but easier to get hey
jagged gust
Probably just a ui error, but might be funny to regem several times just to see my hp go brrr
strong forum
yeah but you still have enduring alacrity
jagged gust
Sorry, dropped that too
lavish sphinx
Sim is telling me 441 Beacon > 447 Heart of Thunder, is that right? Other trinket is 441 Mark of Dragul
Both single target and dungeon sims
warm plinth
We don't use dungeon slice but that's not surprising.
lavish sphinx
What's the go-to for aoe simming again?
warm plinth
multi-target patchwerk
Generally do like 1 target w/ lust for 3 min, 5-8 target w/o lust for 1.5-3 min and just use your best judgment between the two
lavish sphinx
Is Heart of Thunder not considered that great?
warm plinth
ahahahaha
mellow bridge
Is Heart of Thunder not considered that great?
It's not, no
warm plinth
It's middle of the pack
strong forum
yeah but MD, PI and phat damage?
warm plinth
PI is less important if the meta swaps off fire mage I guess
Even if it's frost instead of fire, frost doesn't benefit nearly as much from PI as fire does
MD is still relevant regardless
strong forum
less important doesnt mean its still not OP
strong forum
25% haste for 20seconds on a 2min CD is disgusting
shroud is now potentially situationally stronger than mind soothe
as they affect the same targets, when prior mind soothe worked on pretty much everything
sick sentinel
could be cool if shamans do 20% mastery, paladins do crit, druid does versa
similiar PI, not the same
crude notch
no
warm plinth
Hmm, do warscourges see stealth in BH?
Never paid attention
Just curious if this is going to fuck cage skips too
sick sentinel
MDI displays all that information
warm plinth
MDT is not 100% accurate
sick sentinel
it tells you what CC they are weak to as well
warm plinth
Even the health of the mobs is not always correct in MDT
strong forum
Hmm, do warscourges see stealth in BH?
i think so
crude notch
i gotchu one sec
but i think so as well
also spriest having "phat damage" is cope as hell anymore
lusty grotto
long chasm
could be cool if shamans do 20% mastery, paladins do crit, druid does versa
What does warrior get?
strong forum
also spriest having "phat damage" is cope as hell anymore
smth smth meeres doing 414k dps when gingi did 413k
yes its details dps
point still stands
a good spriest will still destroy the meters
crude notch
I'm not saying it's sin damage bad
torpid fiber
Spicy dwarf or vanilla dwarf?
warm plinth
I believe reg dwarf is marginally more damage overall
And their heritage armor is better, so there's that
uneven mason
I'm not saying it's sin damage bad
Ur famous, that's your sheet that Bellular pops up right?
sick sentinel
What does warrior get?
well, warrior isn't a hybrid class
so we don't really lose alot to begin with
crude notch
huh
sick sentinel
Someone earlier was asking why i had 925k hp
i got a leg enchant and a boot enchant that gives stamina i think it is
131 stamina + 131 = 262 bonus
warm plinth
@crude notch playing Dark Souls at work, what a life 
limber vine
Should i stand in D.stance now or should i be swaping for damage?
asking about the buff that hit today on D.stance
strong forum
nothing changed how you treat d-stance
you just feel less bad about being in d-stance than prior to the patch
but still bad
jagged gust
It's a 5% damage boost for when I forget I'm in dstance half the dungeon though
strong forum
more like 6-7%
warm plinth
It's a 5% damage boost for when I forget I'm in dstance half the dungeon though
Pfft, what an underachiever. Real players forget for the entire dungeon
limber vine
so when should i swap to D stance?
im like looking at certan adds that do a load of magic damage that cant be reflected like the big rocks on NL
uneven mason
so when should i swap to D stance?
im like looking at certan adds that do a loa...
its just like any other CD
Know your damage profiles for the pulls your doing, but tbh you won't "need" it outside of some extreme keys or if you're gigapulling
and generally with Giggapull its the DPS that need defensive stance
because stray casts won't chunk you, but they're going to flatted that poor HDH
uneven mason
unless you take like five casts at the same time
I love when casts happen at the same time
pallid quiver
It's a god damn blessing it's on a 25s cd
uneven mason
I remember doing Hyjal back when spell reflect was first a thing, and realizing that if multiple casts hit you at the same time, they all get reflected
pallid quiver
Otherwise the DPS would be trying to get me killed at all times
uneven mason
Because I heroic throwed at a mob with that 7 Necromancer pull
and hit SR, and bounced all 7 shadowbolts
Then I got fucked the next attempt and died to all 7 because 1 went off 0.1s early
pallid quiver
Though the worst feeling is when the casts aren't exactly the same time; one is staggered just early enough to drop the SR and then the other four just s
Yeah that
That exactly is pain
uneven mason
I was like LOOK AT ME GUYS.fuck no, stop looking, AVERT YOUR EYES FROM MY SHAME
lusty tiger
I have done that exact same thing tanking hyjal
At first I was a god
Then they all pointed and laughed
warm plinth
It's a god damn blessing it's on a 25s cd
Only a 20 sec CD for prot 🙂
uneven mason
they eventually replaced me with a holy paladin
Because Holy paladin tanks in TBC was a thing
lusty tiger
Tbf I have saved more tanks healing on my prot pala on fights that didn’t need a prot pala tank than our healers have
pallid quiver
Only a 20 sec CD for prot 🙂
It's like a 30 min cd for Prot in pugs if you're trying to reflect something and not just mitigate it
Only time people will ever interrupt
jagged gust
I remember doing Hyjal back when spell reflect was first a thing, and realizing ...
God progging hyjal was the absolute worst, wipe on a boss? Go back and farm 10 waves of mobs for 20 minutes you scrubs.
As a hunter "Go kite this mobs for 2 minutes collecting all the npcs, then repeat for 50 waves"
crude notch
@warm plinth that took long https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantEntertainingHornetHassanChop--qBppnwKmVkOF_u-
sick sentinel
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> that took long https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantEntertaining...
Ikr, quality nerf
lavish sphinx
Did they sac the tank and res further down?
warm plinth
And tbh you don't even need wyrnstone because they could just mass rez the tank
lusty tiger
no he wyrnstoned
What’s that
crude notch
What’s that
auggie v tech
lavish sphinx
So I just had a FH key blow up at the first boss because mobs from downstairs were getting pulled. I think the Pally was hitting them with Divine Toll but he was saying another mob was calling them up - is that an ability they have or he just coming up with excuses?
dusky canopy
<@255696891000389633> that took long https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantEntertaining...
Lmao
violet flume
yeah i dont think anything can call the mobs from below. I dont think divine toll hits mobs out of combat either? could be wrong on that
probably a fat finger
dusky canopy
So I just had a FH key blow up at the first boss because mobs from downstairs we...
The mobs can still be pulled from above them so if anyone gets to close to the "ledge" it can aggro them
warm plinth
So I just had a FH key blow up at the first boss because mobs from downstairs we...
I've tolled there dozens of times and never pulled anything down there. It's literally just people riding the edge for no reason
uncut thunder
Armor or stam on pants? i think the gen rule is stam but im simming armor
heavy valley
So tonight, I had a few people whisper me that I was a fury warrior dressed as a prot. Saying they don't understand my fury shield. Did I craft this wrong?:
heavy valley
Oh the pic not showing up?
lusty tiger
👮what’s going on here
sick sentinel
im too lazy to source and image
lusty tiger
Have you taken any drugs tonight?
heavy valley
I guess that means I totally screwed up?
crude notch
no you didn't
we're curious why people said say something is a fury shield when well, fury doesn't use shields
heavy valley
I thought it was cause of the stats or embellishment I chose
crude notch
nope everything on that shield is correct
heavy valley
Thanks for confirming!
crude notch
my guess is it's another vers idiot
lusty tiger
The only issue is it isn’t 447 yet 🦾 keep grinding
heavy valley
The only issue is it isn’t 447 yet 🦾 keep grinding
Some day!
crude notch
i believe in you
vocal laurel
In halls, the add at the end of the hallway before last boss (Infuser Sariya) can you LOS her AoE ability "Inundate"?
warm plinth
No, you cannot
vocal laurel
Just had a group fall apart because it one shot half the group..
warm plinth
On what key level?
lusty tiger
What key lvl?
warm plinth
Because that uh
vocal laurel
20
warm plinth
Should not happen
Yeah, no shot in hell
It's literally the only damage on the pull
lusty tiger
Was everyone 425ilvl?
warm plinth
And it does not 1-shot
lusty tiger
Or was it pulled with the dragon?
vocal laurel
Heh, nah avg was 440. I pulled, and it killed two people. We reset, tried again and then one died instantly, then left.
Nope, by herself.
vocal laurel
I don't, but I can try and go back into details
sick sentinel
is it even worth it for talking the armor armor kit for 4% of 141 armro
warm plinth
Yeah check the deaths because it's definitely not just inundate killing people
sick sentinel
to convert into like, what, 7 str, vs some stamina
warm plinth
I use fierce armor kit
Also, pro strat is that ranged dps can stand at max range and move out for inundate, because it has a 40 yard range.
But it shouldn't be required by any means on a 20
sick sentinel
less than that even
may even be as low as 5 if it rounds 5.64 down
i'd use lambent if the stats were competitive (155vs 177) and i was doing raiding (versa)
lusty tiger
are the homies standing in the knockback circle?
uncut thunder
armor gives strength
Thanks.
jagged gust
idk I've had some real funky business happening in hoi before, so far I've had hailstorm kill through an ice barrier, rumbling earth not indicating, and ice shards from the trash hitting for well over 500k in an 18 on tyr week
violet flume
dying through ice barrier happened to me but i was standing further back to heroic throw spam
i figured that was my mistake so i just hug iceblock now
jagged gust
We were thinking it was just being too close to another ice barrier when it popped but happened two pulls in a row
steep condor
do prot warriors generally open vault as prot or fury?
uneven mason
fury unless you have a good 1h, then arms
steep condor
ooh ok thx
uneven mason
if you need a shield you open it as (go craft a shield)
steep condor
haha well yeah i crafted a shield and a 1h.. just working on getting crests to upgrade them
i'll op[en as arms. then
uneven mason
arms then, smallest loot pool
steep condor
thx ❤️
is there any advantage in upgrading shield before 1h? I have 424 crafted 1h and 437 shield from a drop but i also have a 424 crafted shield. Would it be better to upgrade the 1h first? The shield has my shadowflame patch on it so i wanted to upgrade it but it's less of a gain than the 1h.
south zealot
shield is #1 prio
nocturne spindle
blazing condor
Only piece that gives block value
modern brook
neat blaze
good morning warriors! I often see warrior protection with very high crit and versatility below 10% and sometimes warrior tank with crit below 15% and versatility above 25%. What is the correct setup? I can not understand
hardy snow
good morning warriors! I often see warrior protection with very high crit and ve...
both stats are fine, you can sim for dmg if you want more specific details in your case
jagged pier
its almost like your secondary stats dont matter
neat blaze
thx 🙂
blazing condor
How much vers do i need for gold race medal
jagged pier
umm at least 7
brittle sandal
Strange question, maybe, is prot warrior hard? Recently started tanking for the first time on a bdk at its super fun and not too hard.
If I go make a prot warrior will i have a harder time or similar?
jagged pier
well warrior plays completely different to most tanks as its not reactive at all.
however it is the easiest state its been in for as long as i can remeber
lone crane
is there a way to sim a prot warrior on survivability?
jagged pier
nope and shouldnt need too
brittle sandal
So I shouldnt really have an issue?
jagged pier
simming for the most dps gives u the correct stats and gear to survive
as it comes from play not gear
brittle sandal
I mean in so new, I only just started tanking 10s
jagged pier
So I shouldnt really have an issue?
well not if u learn it correctly u shouldnt have issue no
brittle sandal
Thank you for the quick answer!
steep condor
Thank you for the quick answer!
I found the 'quazii prot warrior' guide on youtube to be helpful in picking things up a bit faster.
hardy snow
offensive stance is standard way to go
use d.stance for some tank busters etc.
just as another defensive CD
brittle sandal
I found the 'quazii prot warrior' guide on youtube to be helpful in picking thin...
Ill look into it!
uneven mason
With 430+ i lvl do u still wanne go battlestance tanking ? add week
You'll use battle stance most of the time, defensive stance should be treated as a CD
merry lake
yea i understand but feel like paper some time`s on add week just started tanking on this warrior but for 16+ and 430 ilvl i take alot of beating while in battlestance
opaque quest
As long as you dont die and your heal doesnt complain just stay in bstance
south knoll
You'll use battle stance most of the time, defensive stance should be treated as...
Isn't it only 5% reduction to dmg anymore?
merry lake
k thanks so u go for haste crit aswell now not haste vers like s1 ?
south knoll
Might as well sit on def stance all the time and save the hassle
karmic plinth
its more like a 7-8% reduction because of the crit from bstance
uneven mason
Isn't it only 5% reduction to dmg anymore?
7%ish but that's still quite the opportunity cost
karmic plinth
haste / crit or haste / vers are fine
a lot of people go crit because its our best offensive stat and parry is a really useful thing in m+
uneven mason
k thanks so u go for haste crit aswell now not haste vers like s1 ?
We never went haste vers, you sim for improvement
The only reason the guides have stat priority is because wowh and iv require it in the guides
jagged pier
yea i understand but feel like paper some time`s on add week just started tankin...
if you feeling like paper at that lvl of key with that ilvl u are most likely doing something wrong with your gameplay and d stance probably wont actually help
cant tell without logs tho
merry lake
Fair but i`m useing SB on cd and spend rest in IP
lusty tiger
Wb ss, tc, and revenge usage
jagged pier
if i got money for everytime someone told me that then i looked at a log and it turns out that not happening
i might be able to afford a mortgage
lusty tiger
Jakey would be $$$
strong forum
well for the ilvl increase yes, but dont you have aspect crests to upgrade you crafted weapon to 447?
sick sentinel
well for the ilvl increase yes, but dont you have aspect crests to upgrade you c...
i didnt crafted anything yet
i have 3 crests of aspect
saving for shield
im selling my computer chair, any takers
strong forum
barely used
sick sentinel
that is aretty nasty looking chair
so should i get the axe over a crafted sword?
sure okay
why u delete
strong forum
cuz i thought you asked about diff between axe or sword crafted
but yeah if youre short on aspect crests
and wont get enough to craft weapon anytime soon
then take this from vault
sick sentinel
well, something less to craft!
sick sentinel
i got 5 sparks
strong forum
up to you how much aspect crests you wanna farm
sick sentinel
up to you how much aspect crests you wanna farm
i want to have everything crafted and the 4pc lol
like
the torc
crafted rings
boots pants and waist
and wrists
oh and cloak
and ofc the shield :3
pallid quiver
Vanguard, the tank passive for prot, did get an increase iirc
jaunty canopy
30% to 35% more stam
hazy bronze
imagine not using sparks for tmog
Don't forget the free 5 s1 sparks from alts
uneven mason
imagine not using sparks for tmog
That's what my alts sparks are for
uneven mason
Don't forget the free 5 s1 sparks from alts
Legitimately leveled 3 of my warriors just to abuse this during the XP buffs
sick sentinel
excuse me whille insert this SD card into the side of my head.
lusty tiger
excuse me whille insert this SD card into the side of my head.
Yogi OS
sick sentinel
lookin into shock mount and pop filter, cover, supposed to take good care of microphone im lead to believe
also been told can just literal put a sock on mic too
Just speak clearly and you do not need pop filter
im gunna just go big dick and get the arm and shock and whatever
cars outside, train, etc
want to eliminate some of the nuisance noise
Set up noise eq/threshold limit so when you speak it only activates, easy enough done within obs itself tbh
the one i have has "vertigan" whatever the fuck that is, i think its supposed to pick up low tones easier
like, asmr, apparently
I got some $40 microphone from amazon
1 tip
Use compressor
uneven mason
Imagine yogi whispering into the mix during keys to calm his group
modern brook
" hey guys this pull is just like doom"
sick sentinel
actually, yes, doom pulling mobs does apply to wow
uneven mason
STRAFE FOR YOUR LIVES
sick sentinel
simple exmaple, if you hide behind a wall or a corner where they cannot see you
and they are not infighting
they make a bee line to you in order to start attack, which can group them up
same shit works in wow
silk pine
lusty tiger
Dam how am I ever gonna play the game now
modern brook
Don't think hekili falls in that umbrella
I'd imagine that's addons that literally play for you
sick sentinel
Imagine being so bad at the game you need to have a bot play for you
modern brook
As opposed to suggest next globsls
sick sentinel
yah i know
silk pine
Rotation bot is like, u only need to move and dont press any other button
sick sentinel
yeah, hekili only OFFERS you the next "BIS" input
silk pine
atleast I believe that
sick sentinel
and then you still have to do that thing ur self
Yeah i was joking
But imagine being so bad you need a bot
so i doubt hekili will get nerfed.
strong forum
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/15yz5j5/massive_banwave_on_rotation_bots_t...
the best part is, yeah lets just screenshot some decent parses
thats the proof
and some whacky discord
sick sentinel
Needing a bot for 80 parses 
strong forum
afterall, doing your rotation is truly the pinnacle of difficulty in wow
silk pine
the best part is, yeah lets just screenshot some decent parses
maybe u are right and its a fake still would be funny if that happen 😄
silk pine
its 4 hours ago the post
silk pine
nah I remember the banwave from mage tower
modern brook
U mean the one from several years ago
sick sentinel
I got banned in classic for receiving gold from a GDKP in a massive banwave
silk pine
mage tower is like 1,5 year ago
jagged pier
^
strong forum
its just funny that some discord messages and parses are the proof this guy is providing
especially the higher you go, the less likely people are using bots
pallid quiver
Damn, this is the good kind of funny to wake up to
strong forum
cuz it aint that hard
sick sentinel
are u guys playing holo cure as well?
pallid quiver
I don't care whether this is true or not, it's funny
sick sentinel
i only did a few rounds of it so far, but its good
pallid quiver
That being said, I wouldn't doubt at least a few of the higher rated people on boards would be using these based on past experience in other games
sometimes people just gotta cheat, even if they legitimately have zero need to cheat
strong forum
That being said, I wouldn't doubt at least a few of the higher rated people on b...
in pvp there are notorious bot users
but in pve?
never heard of anyone using a bot for pve, let alone for rotations
hardy snow
in several years
Blizzard does it on regular basis, recently they even started to post information of how many acccounts were punished.
silk pine
its just funny that some discord messages and parses are the proof this guy is p...
we will see it in the upcoming hours probably days, if there is no info about that u are probably right 😄
uneven mason
Maybe by rotation they mean the hunter/boomkin farm bots that rotate in place pulling everything in range
jagged pier
i hope they are gone
but they wont be
same with the 40 druid bots that are stealth next to a node
and insta mine it when it spawns
plush tendon
is hardcore live?
plush tendon
100% gonna give it a go
sick sentinel
maybe yogi streams it 1% chance doubt it
strong forum
now thats content
sick sentinel
aint got my mic arm or a green screen or a DAC is about only thing i'd be missing at this point
sick sentinel
green screen is literal i can buy an over sized gree/blue/whatever bedsheet, pn it up lol
jagged pier
doesnt matter just wall background
plush tendon
gonna be a human warrior me thinks
sick sentinel
what do they do about bubble hearth on official HC
plush tendon
and brave the fargo deep mines
jovial steeple
20 % mastery still ok?
jagged pier
yer fine
jagged pier
u can do
jovial steeple
^^ ok, ty
dusky canopy
I’d go with more hit chance imo
sick sentinel
Help am banned
cinder storm
There was a scripting ban wave recently, Blizz rarely bans people who were not scripting/botting
south zealot
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/15yz5j5/massive_banwave_on_rotation_bots_t...
fucking dogshit players
LMFAO
strong forum
Help am banned
gg queue next
cinder storm
3.4k player scripting gg
sick sentinel
Yes me scripter
dusky canopy
Scripter? What are ya, a league diamond player?
sick sentinel
Diamond 2 no scripts shaco support ez clap
lusty grotto
get fucked
lusty grotto
im personally glad they did it since kick bots are dumb af in pvp
cinder storm
It goes to show Blizz is like the IRS, they know who is cheating they just don't act until they have all data
south zealot
grizzled nova
It goes to show Blizz is like the IRS, they know who is cheating they just don't...
bans generally happen in waves to cast the widest net possible; no reason to ban early and often when all it accomplishes is alerting cheaters that it's detected and needs to adjust.
south zealot
It goes to show Blizz is like the IRS, they know who is cheating they just don't...
ofc
as thukker said
if u ban 1 cheater who only uses 1 program
that program clearly has a detectable issue so the developer can figure it out
if u ban a shit ton of people who may use different programs its hard to know what is detectable
cinder storm
True, but my point was more so those who were banned wouldn't be able to argue back about it either way
lusty grotto
lol nnoggie with the troll
grizzled nova
saxaman, run sellers continuously mass report him for raid leading free aotc kills.
languid smelt
Dusted off my Prot this weekend for the last few weeks of the season. I was able to catalyst 4 piece and piece together 400 ilvl and just began grinding the hell out 7s last night. I know that I can't get to 445 ilvl via the vault due to time left in the season so my goal is to get to 420 ish and then grind 11's and 430 ish and then grind 17's to farm crest for 447 weapon, shield, frostfire belt, embilsh boots and eng wrist for brez tinker. My end goal would be to get all portals/2500+io. My question is, have I lost my damn mind and do you recommend one dungeon over the others to grind for potential drops that can help me along the way?
From just natural drops?
strong forum
Well you can always upgrade gear, you'd best craft all spark items instantly
You can be 420ilvl in a few minutes
By just crafting gear
languid smelt
So the 5 free sparks would be 424 correct?
strong forum
Yes
languid smelt
That will help
languid smelt
No raiding M+ only. Dawn run might be in the works
strong forum
You can hit 445 ilvl in no time
Don't do any keys below 11
Straight up waste of time
If you can*
languid smelt
Thanks. Tonight I will craft some items and just do 11-15's
strong forum
Yeh pmuch
languid smelt
God yes. I am swimming in them on my Bear
plush tendon
prob wont happen, but a man can dream
well, for me its the big limiting factor for my guild/friends to not play alts
languid smelt
You can sell a stack of 50 for 250G. I can't bring myself to vendoring it because then the tradeable announcement will happen
plush tendon
uh, my dude, just cause they havnt touched the toon this season doesnt mean they dont know how to play it
they just dont want to deal with the time sink of going into a heroic raid or spamming 16s to get their toon up to snuff when most have limited time already
well, its either 'do the grind on a alt in 16s and heroic' objectively not all that fun if you have already done that or just doing literally anything else
some people just want to log in once or twice a week raid and do a key or two
its especially not fun when you look at your main and you are like I got 30 of these aspect crests which I can literally do nothing with
aint no one caring about IO when you playing with friends
means literally nothing when you got people to play with; but why even have to get carried when youve done the content already
I dont want to carry my friends, they dont want to get carried, they just want to slam some keys with the bois
and not be a 'carry'
they still need to get the gear to turn into tier, theyll still need trinkets and stuff
but at least they dont have to look at their bags and be like 'welp, time to od dungeons to max this item out"
lusty grotto
yeah idk i would play more alts if i didnt make myself do raids for them too
weekly reclears kill me
but thats a just me problem for going for the trinkets etc
lusty grotto
dont get me wrong, i like raids in wow
plush tendon
well not forced.... just those trinkets are pog
lusty grotto
but thats a just me problem for going for the trinkets etc
yeah this
im confused by ur point
reading comprehension
plush tendon
I like min maxing my alts
limpid ruin
Nah trying to get gear in a item based rpg doesn’t make sense to me.
limpid ruin
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modern brook
Gear in wow is a crutch used by bad players to excuse poor progression
Real gamers clear mraid in questing greens
lusty grotto
thats generally true, but i wouldn't apply that to regulars here
lusty grotto
no, on the contrary
modern brook
Maybe they didn't wanna wake u
U were busy I heard
You had to help me with car troubles
lusty grotto
ur grandma was on fire
modern brook
Yeah that was the car trouble
lusty tiger
Fish was having a seizure
tall tusk
napping til s3
blazing condor
@ me when we are S tier so i can finally do a key again without dying
sick sentinel
You need to actually be invited first
blazing condor
Just push my own key
sick sentinel
@ me when we are S tier so i can finally do a key again without dying
is it normal for me to die even tho im spamming ignore pain and popping cds?
lusty tiger
is it normal for me to die even tho im spamming ignore pain and popping cds?
Have logs?
lusty tiger
Most of warrior survivability is from having a good rotation
sick sentinel
Most of warrior survivability is from having a good rotation
conro https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/902780348172218399.gif?size=48&name=troll~1&quality=lossless
lusty tiger
a couple hoursa go
Start logging
sick sentinel
IP just rage dump
crude notch
Spamming ignore pain is probably where the problem lies
lusty tiger
Logs logs logs
crude notch
You're a log
lusty tiger
No point in speculating
sick sentinel
I'm taking a log
lusty tiger
Zzz
Context dn
Ip spam is one of many potential issues
And cannot be fixed without them being addressed first
crude notch
I know reading is hard for you jeree but she said she's spamming IP
sick sentinel
I'm spamming logs
lusty tiger
^
blazing condor
is it normal for me to die even tho im spamming ignore pain and popping cds?
Normal yes but ur probably doing things wrong
Need logs tho
Usually ppl have too low block%, too low CPM, too must wasted rage
sick sentinel
LS > Shield charge > thunderclap > Shield block slam spam go ham twiddle dam
gunna look at gettin a microphone arm this week
then people literally telling me that i self heal too low are worng? 😭
like i always have shield block up
lusty tiger
like i always have shield block up
This is proven with logs
lusty tiger
then people literally telling me that i self heal too low are worng? 😭
Self heal is a bad metric for warrior tank
sick sentinel
dang
sick sentinel
Self heal is a bad metric for warrior tank
wdym
lusty tiger
I mean your self healing tells very little about your gameplay quality
sick sentinel
then they are wrong?
lusty tiger
Yes
strong forum
healing meter is not a relevant metric
sick sentinel
then opoeple were blaming me for no reason and telling me i was the worst tank ever because 5"healer sshouldnt have to cast a speell on me" are wrong?
lusty tiger
It might be your fault still
sick sentinel
i mean some stuff
lusty tiger
But we won’t know without logs
sick sentinel
yea
strong forum
well
strong forum
they should cast some spells on you
but not frequently enough for the healer itself to notice that they have to actively heal you
lusty tiger
When tank is tanking a pull that does spikey tank damage they will need more frequent heals
sick sentinel
but not frequently enough for the healer itself to notice that they have to acti...
i mean he never fell down from half mana
impending victory and wall helps me a lot
lusty tiger
Yes two op spells
lusty tiger
🤔
lusty tiger
Are you using m+ talents in pins?
sick sentinel
m+
strong forum
pretty sure sense never uses double SW talent
lusty tiger
Hmm
sick sentinel
whats easier this week, vp or lair under a 20, but at a 17 or above, i was gunna put something other than lair but still no 441 talimsna
strong forum
VP is easier than NL on low keys
sick sentinel
Vp fast
lusty tiger
m+
Try logging a key with the pinned m+ talents and we can grow your skill much more easily from there ^^
sick sentinel
vp only 1 loot for me 😦 trinket i have to tonk loot spec into
only reason i goin now
i got the mount even
mighty valley
this might be the problem. but we can help with that, hopefully
sick sentinel
this might be the problem. but we can help with that, hopefully
dang
lusty tiger
crude notch
Harrow bully
sick sentinel
TF is crashing stone
lime urchin
Aoe damage in VP
sick sentinel
it nuked 2 of my boys
lusty tiger
it tends to do that
median tulip
Yeah, those guys are unpleasant. People tend to focus the Adepts (healer), but you should actually kill the Executors first, just interrupt/knock/CC the Adepts
tropic marsh
DPS should treat the Executors like Enforcers during fort weeks yeah? Focus down 1 of them and personal the first overlap? They shouldn't 1 shot right, just 2 shot on overlap?
lusty grotto
its fort week, they should be using defensives
but yes 2 overlapping kills you
but that's rarely the case
there's other damage going on anyway
getting charged, not running into the force field, eating the explding force field, getting smitten, etc
well not having avoidance enchants might do it without overlapping
tropic marsh
Are people taking intervene in VP for the last boss to combo with SR? We can reflect the chain lightning but we need intervene to prevent the damage to the target right?
tropic marsh
Doesn't the damage still go through when you reflect it by walking in?
lusty grotto
on you? no
tropic marsh
On your friend
tropic marsh
Ah
lusty grotto
chain lightning is magical
tropic marsh
Didn't know it had to be phys
lusty grotto
read the tooltip
tropic marsh
Says attacks
lusty tiger
aka not spells
tropic marsh
All attacks are phys out of curiosity?
lusty tiger
typically single target physical damage dealing abilities are attacks
tropic marsh
Cheers
lusty grotto
just one of those things where blizzard put ambiguous wording on
lusty tiger
i cant think of any magic damage attacks, maybe arcane shot
lusty grotto
generally attacks are attacks, but wow likes to put magical into "spells", depending on the context (i.e. "all melee and ranged attacks against them")
crude notch
Then you have the rare cases of AAs that are magical. 🙂
lusty tiger
ye but it is safe to say all melee attacks are able to be soaked by intervene wether they do magic dam or not
idk maybe "single target abilities that require a melee weapon or bow/xbow/gun"
(fists are a melee weapon (:)
lusty grotto
what about them
they are magical
go into a bg and see if you can intervene them
you probably cant
lusty tiger
they are melee and ranged attacks
lusty grotto
they are magical melee and ranged attacks
warm plinth
Physical attacks = melees and "shots", e.g. Eudora powder shot, that are physical.
strong forum
magic attacks that can be intervened are far and few between and niche cases
warm plinth
If it works on any magic ability, it's rare enough that it doesn't matter. I can't think of any right now
warm plinth
rip safeguard though 😢
lusty grotto
kinda miss when you could intervene reflect
lusty tiger
strong forum
yes
lusty grotto
when intervene first came out, you could
warm plinth
"Ranged attacks" generally refers to gunshots, arrows, and the like.
strong forum
but it doesnt affect almost all magic things
lusty grotto
i could reflect sheeps reliably with it
strong forum
it basically works on all things you can also block without spellblock
lusty grotto
yea
warm plinth
The real lesson here is that Blizzard's tooltips are shit and will probably always be shit.
strong forum
except some aoes
lusty tiger
thats why i said abilities that need a melee weapon or bow
strong forum
no
lusty tiger
except some aoes
like in karazan lmfao
warm plinth
There are a lot of magic attacks that need a weapon or a bow
lusty grotto
and physical attacks too
like fixates
so "requiring a weapon" is not really needed
lusty tiger
fists are a weapon
lusty grotto
youre overcomplicating it
warm plinth
It's really not
lusty grotto
☝️
warm plinth
You're making it complicated by focusing on the absolute edge cases that are irrelevant.
Did they fire a gun/bow at me, or did they swing their weapon at me? If yes, probably intervenable
lusty tiger
Did they fire a gun/bow at me, or did they swing their weapon at me? If yes, pr...
thats what i said originally
warm plinth
But if it's magic, no
strong forum
"shoot" you can intervene, arcane shot? likely not
judgement you cant intervene, auto attack? you can intervene
crude notch
Are we onto the unhittable thing again?
warm plinth
Nah, we're just overcomplicating Intervene
crude notch
Jeree you get bored the same time every day
warm plinth
What is this taylor's version thing btw
I've seen like 4 people w/ that on their username
strong forum
||it was jordan every time ||
lusty tiger
i just like discrete problemsets and have a burning desire to figure out how to specify things about them
strong forum
the simple ruleset you can apply to intervene is
warm plinth
That would be admirable if there were actual consistency in this game.
strong forum
if it has a dmg school that isnt physical or unknown
you prolly cant intervene it
if its fire, arcane, shadow, nature, lightning, cosmic, chaos or any of the magic schools, likely not intervenable and needs to be tested case by case
crude notch
What is this taylor's version thing btw
Basically it's people waving their Taylor flag. I do it whenever she announces a new Taylor's Version album which is her rerecording her older albums so that she can have rights to her old music.
strong forum
just like we have to do with Spell Reflect, Shield Block and Spell Block
gotta test practically every single attack/ability/spell case by case
warm plinth
Basically it's people waving their Taylor flag. I do it whenever she announces a...
Ahhh, okay
strong forum
to see what works
strong forum
if youre experienced you kinda know ahead of time what should and shouldnt be blockable/reflectable
and if youre better than experienced, you have a floating combat text when testing it live to see it instantly and or log running to find out after the fact
lusty tiger
really it is the reflect/deflect that always trips me up almost seems completely random
strong forum
basic ruleset for raid: can reflect/deflect nothing useful
crude notch
Get on it Nome, Sense has enough to do
it's probably what one or two things every dungeon set that make no logical reasoning behind being intervene'able but is.
strong forum
basic ruleset for m+: single targetted spells are often reflectable, dot applications sometimes reflectable/deflectable (but this more rarely), for aoe it doesnt reflect or deflect
strong forum
extremely niche case
warm plinth
But an important one. Let's go Cathedral M+ v2
lusty tiger
those are the ones sense finds for us
warm plinth
strong forum
and heres the ruleset for AMS, get ready:
raid? works on everything and prevents magical debuffs
m+? works on everything and prevents magical debuffs
warm plinth
lusty tiger
warm plinth
That's why we have no consistency; they gave it all to BDK
They're giving us heroic Dawn in 10.1.7? That's interesting
Kinda cool that we'll be able to see what's in the split version before it's M+ though
strong forum
im ready for the 70% nerfs dawn will get for m+
lusty tiger
hell yeah
strong forum
cuz currently its on the level of a +15ish key
warm plinth
strong forum
ya i only did it once on week1
i basically forgot everything except the dumb illusion boss being dumb and last boss needing actual CD usage
lusty tiger
i need a WA to mute chromie
warm plinth
I think Morchie will have to be nerfed quite a bit as far as her spell timings
The adds get freed way too often
Super psyched to see people fuck up the illusions and insta-die in M+ though
kind urchin
I hate Morchie.
broken kite
why
lavish sphinx
Is Dawn worth running? I still haven’t done it
strong forum
only rly for the cosmetics
if you only care about performance, nothing truly noteworthy
real thunder
Do you stack haste/verse or haste/crit for M+? I see a good split between high IO prot warr for each case.
sick sentinel
haste trinket for an easy 441 proc trinket
real thunder
wonder how much more squishy id be if i switch to haste/crit
sick sentinel
not the best trinket we have, but is okay
lusty grotto
wonder how much more squishy id be if i switch to haste/crit
wdym, we all run haste/crit
sick sentinel
ya, hes right, in keys, mostly, crit rating = parry = you dont take any dmg
real thunder
just nervous about when i pug and poeple dont kick stuff....and bleeds when they land....F it...i'll pull the trigger and see how it goes
lusty grotto
what are you running?
versa?
cause that aint helping much
for bleeds
all basilisks can be stunned
and you can stutter step snakes
there's lots of ways to manage them
and there's literally
how many bleeds?
real thunder
currently crit 26%, haste 34%, verse 23%. im in ~23level keys.
yeah f it, i'll give it a try
lusty grotto
sense does fine with literally non existent versa
real thunder
oh yeah, well we should all be as good as sense...lol
real thunder
again, he's really good
lusty grotto
so be better
lusty grotto
you dont need to be sense good to do 23s
or less than
sense is also not his entire team
no excuses, just do better
sick sentinel
all of my versa comes from set chest/hands/1 socket with 33 vers
real thunder
be better is a useless comment from a simple mind. again we all can't be like sense. it's all relative. like i said giving it a try
strong forum
the overwhelming majority of dmg taken in m+ is parryable
lusty grotto
okay then
real thunder
thanks for the info