protection

[crude notch]

like there's no way of reflecting all 3 of those timings

He could've gotten 2 of 3, but mathematically it would've been like .2 seconds off of getting all 3.

[sick sentinel]

you cam but the timing is very tight

[crude notch]

In that very screenshot yogi

it was literally mathamatically impossible for him to get all 3

[sick sentinel]

best way ican sayit is if yiu have dbm count down for it you have to do the first one on like 4

[south zealot]

..

[crude notch]

YOGI

JFC

[sick sentinel]

hm

[south zealot]

LOL

[sick sentinel]

buff has to roll early i think and you catch it on 1s maybe was it

[crude notch]

The earliest Sense could've hit his reflect on the first cast is 27:11.164
It would've been up for the second one at 27:31.164
And it would've been up for the third one at 27:51.164

The third one happened at 27:51.026 which comes before 27:51.164.

[sick sentinel]

could be copium

[south zealot]

not reading allat

[crude notch]

LMAO

[south zealot]

just precast it

[kind urchin]

I could get all 3 on Area 52 with a 20 ping but on Lightbringer I'm at 70 and can only manage 2 out of 3.

[sick sentinel]

i dunno i just know i did a key like 2 weeks ago a month and i reflected like, 6 million or it was at least 3.6 i want to say

[crude notch]

I'm

Your amount of damage reflected has no bearing whatsoever on this conversation

[south zealot]

its not ping

its just sometimes you can do it sometimes the spell queueing says you cant

[crude notch]

Like this example it would be up every one even the one he took to the face

[sick sentinel]

yah i know whaf you mean is like get yo a megaman boss and some times is a gamble 50/50 boss goes aggro or does nithin, ssme boss, same attacks

[crude notch]

bruh

[lusty grotto]

jesus lol

[sick sentinel]

its to do the boss ai nvm ffs

only game, it stops being fun becomes job

[kind urchin]

I think I've had some not so good augs in a couple groups the past couple weeks. Had some really smooth runs but didn't time them and group damage was pretty low. Could be just all around not good pumpers I guess.

[crude notch]

Basically press it 5 seconds before the first one every time and you'll get every one every time unless a very rare blip in the queue'ing happens, I've looked at the top 20 logs and only 1 had timing off.

Or be this chad and spell block the whole thing.

Dude is unhittable capped

🙂

[lusty grotto]

of course of course

[crude notch]

At the risk of sounding completely stupid, how'd he spell block the whole hit?

Oh he didn't

919k is bloock

[lusty grotto]

yeah

he just mit'ed the rest

[crude notch]

gotcha

[charred gyro]

I thought of rewriting the 'bait bomb' wa from sark

[south zealot]

u always do

in game

[crude notch]

I always sound stupid??? Rude.

@south zealot there's like no way Echo loses tomorrow, right?

[south zealot]

i dont think so

other teams still have 29 vp to do right

echo can immediately try hoi

[crude notch]

I'm curious if this BH tech even gets you a 31 because if it doesn't there's no point in it.

except 'safety'

[south zealot]

they BARELY have enough time assuming they blast

actually no they dont have time

need to save a minute or so

i didnt see echos 30 but if it was super super clean its unclear whether the 31 is even worth trying

sidenote

stupid ass youtube comments holy fuck

[pallid quiver]

"bear tanks are losing aggro on lower level keys"

This sounds like there's some 600 ilvl geared DPS coming from a future expac blasting on some poor fresh dinged 70 or something

but it's probably a bear tank who has an average CPM of 2

[lusty grotto]

AHAHAHAH

[pallid quiver]

In other news, I love Youtube comments

[lusty grotto]

oh god lol

[south zealot]

i mena dude what

bears are losing agro now in lower keys???

what???

[crude notch]

yep spamming swipe

That was always my favorite thing in Dreamgrove "I'm losing aggro all the time" then you find out they're casting swipe more than any other button.

[modern gazelle]

just an 18 but felt good on the dmg, pumped 97k on 3rd boss

[south zealot]

HOLY MOLY TWO BUFFODILES

[crude notch]

your UI color coding is too happy

https://tenor.com/view/darkness-no-parents-batman-dark-metal-gif-16179621

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin is now 3/9

😄

[crude notch]

look at this legend

[lusty grotto]

excellent excellent

[crude notch]

keep up the good work @proper roost

i'm proud of you

[modern gazelle]

feelsgood when you finally get a competent group

20 BH

my dev dmg a bit low but util usage makes upf or it so im okay with that

[round cliff]

so if veng dh has to use their leap for dps
and one of our leaps goes further than one of their leaps
does that mean our mobility is superior

[lucid dew]

Jesus is prot war the highest dps tank now?

Im not even doing close to that on pal

@modern gazelle what trinkets did you use

[crude notch]

Nah pwar isn't the highest

[sick sentinel]

Yeah what are best pwar trinks for m+?

[lucid dew]

Im prob just bad then hav

[sick sentinel]

Ive been using oce and anvil but i have sandglass and dargul too

[lucid dew]

I feel like I do 80k dps overall on my pal

[modern gazelle]

beacon and anvil

[river creek]

Anytips on hitting the sunder in Nelths Lair?

Fast cast man

[south zealot]

no

[south zealot]

watching cast sequences

sometimes the only spell he will cast in the next 5 seconds is sunder

guarenteed reflect

he also generally prioritizes his other two abilities before sunder

but not always

[river creek]

Thanks its a tricky one

[violet flume]

man

had some ultragigachad group for neltharus +20, my last +20 remaining

[crude notch]

Woman

[violet flume]

chargath bugging out holy shit

3x in a row someone dies and we lose 3rd chain

and i think one time someone invul to remove it?

[warm plinth]

The dying and losing chain part isn't a bug though

[violet flume]

i see what you mean but i cant believe blizz thinks its a great mechanic to say "one guy died gg you cant do the mechanic anymore"

if only the chain could linger

[crude notch]

solution: don't die

[violet flume]

if only i could control pugs deaths

blizz should let us cast ignore pain on other players

make the warrior class shout at a teammate to man up and tough it out

[lavish sphinx]

It’s probably the most punishing mechanic of the season

[median tulip]

Bring back Safeguard

[modern gazelle]

I would love to have a defensive we can use on a party member

I hate knowing someone about to die and having no way to stop it

[crude notch]

just use aoe shield wall, 🙂

[still oar]

Any tips for a new peot warrior? I feel like I'm AOE I'm overcapping rage even with liberal use of IP

Prot

[pallid quiver]

Press buttons faster

That's all we can seriously give without any sort of logs or anything to see exactly why you're overcapping rage. It's generally due to not just slapping IP to prevent overcapping, though, so you probably need to hit that more often

It's a good reminder that IP's main general use is to use it to avoid overcapping rage in general; the defensive benefit of it just happens as a result

Even if you gain no extra amount on the IP absorb, it's better to have spent that rage than to waste rage to overcap due to AM

[still oar]

Ahh makes sense. I might be building a decent IP barrier and tend to use it less and get into trouble with capping. Eating with IP makes sense even though you won't get defensive benefit (from IP) isn't something that I really thought of and I think will help

[pallid quiver]

It's good to remember that just sending IP is still a defensive benefit as long as you're using proper talents
Anger Management reduces the CD on Shield Wall with rage spent, and Indomitable just straight up heals you for rage spent

So ensuring rage is always being spent and never wasted without starving yourself is both a defensive gain and an offensive one, even if IP itself gets no immediate benefit

[still oar]

Thanks for the thought out answer. I think I should just keep running some heroics and low mythic and get comfortable. I'm still somewhat overwhelmed by the apm requirement of prot and get stuck in weeds

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's always worth it to go swing by training dummies before dungeons, too, just so you can make sure the muscle memory is being built in for the basic rotation without any pressure

[still oar]

Stuff off the gcd hurts my brain

Smooth brain

[pallid quiver]

Don't worry, I'm dumb as hell and I can do it; it's all just actually spending a bit of time practicing.

Which feels real bad if you're not used to it

[crude notch]

Apparently fire mage replacement is in fact being cooked up @warm plinth

The problem is

It's replacement is...

Frost.

[warm plinth]

Hell yeah

[crude notch]

@proper roost wake up babe it's LCK finals

[opaque quest]

I was expecting enh as a replacement for fire

But i guess WF doesnt do much when you got 2 caster dps

[proper roost]

Geng is so good

Sheesh

T1 thought it was lehends rakan smh

Peyz so good

also idk how doran goes from mid to even low tier top against anyone else

but against zeus he becomes literal god

[proper roost]

also my uluduar bpa is a 99.3 toc is just bad

[jagged pier]

Little wigs has a timer for it

He does spell queue a tad

But its pretty reliable

[proper roost]

i think random delays can be injected based on movement

but considering you basically never want to move him anyway if you can help it, it shouldn't be a big deal

as in, i've noticed when you are slightly out of range of him (like 3-5 yds out of melee range) while he has a molten crash off cd, he can slightly bug out and not do anything for a second

it's more noticeable on not prot warrior obviously since on pwar you just charge back in after landslides and he doesn't move

[hollow patio]

I press is about 3 seconds into the fight and then just on CD. Should net you 3 out of 4 sunders of the first phase. Then press it a few seconds before the add (that spawns the boss again) dies and after that just on CD again. At least that's what works for me.

[proper roost]

gm guilford

[daring marlin]

Got the femboy name lmao he's the best

[sick sentinel]

the less intry to think about waht people in my key ar named or are doing or are saying, the better, generally

all that really counts in the end is that they are on our side, and they showed up did the thing

[charred ivy]

is mastery very terrible for prot if i main fury normally for high stuff?

if go haste/mast mainly

[strong forum]

No it's not terrible

Just a bit less dmg output

[charred ivy]

ah kk. is mastery mainly defese? i see it add some attack power also

[proper roost]

every secondary stat adds both defense and tankiness for tanks

Just like every secondary stat for dps adds dps in some way

[sick sentinel]

mastery more offense, cuz you dont rely on mastery for blocked hits

[proper roost]

no lol

yogi if that were true everyone would gear haste mastery not haste crit

jfc

[sick shell]

It looks like he's just saying it's more of an offensive stat because the defensive portion isn't useful.. not that it's optimal for offense

[sick sentinel]

yogi: says anything
NO UR WRONG

JFC

BRUH

im not wrong about you dont use mastery for blocked hits

i was specificially yelled about about that

in the past, so how uno reverse.

[modern gazelle]

What?

[sick sentinel]

didn't try to say in my post

[proper roost]

read the second part of the mastery ya ding dong

[sick sentinel]

you use mastery

for offensive

over crit

and haste

and versa

[proper roost]

that's an incorrect take, since mastery defensively is good for crit block; like, defensively all the secondaries aren't really too far off from each other aside from on magic damage

[sick sentinel]

ya it grants % hit, %crit bloc (smaller number) and AP

what am i missing

im saying if you do take mastery, you take it for its offensive power, not its defensive power

[sick shell]

I know it's good for crit block but I didn't think it was prioritized for that

[sick sentinel]

but that other stats are beter at offensive, in general

WHY the fuck, do i have to re-iterated and re-explain every time i make statement

[wild sandal]

i thought stats is haste/vers for prot

[proper roost]

no

[wild sandal]

so wowhead wrong?

[proper roost]

it's not really about wowhead being wrong moreso little different prioritization standards

secondary stats don't really work that way for most tanks (or any tank, if you subtract one or two stats sometimes)

defensively they mostly tend to all be very similar and it's only different offensively, which changes a bit based on personal gear so simming yourself is the right answer. point is going for DPS is what most tanks are best served by gearing for

[wild sandal]

ok so i should go haste crit? im not smart

[proper roost]

sim yourself

[opaque quest]

kangas TL:DR is it doesnt matter just go haste crit

[proper roost]

it isn't, but sure

[opaque quest]

He obviously is new and even jakey said it doesnt matter

As a beginner hes good just going haste crit

[proper roost]

Saying any secondaries in a new player scenario is a bad take because if you're really new then it's just about ilvl

It doesn't matter if a piece doesn't have any haste at all if it's 10 ilvl upgrade

[opaque quest]

Ye tru

Pretty sure WoWhead has a section saying ilvl > all tho

[proper roost]

You press one button to sim

It's literally easier to sim than to yolo or anything else

[wild sandal]

sim sasys haste vers lol, could have said that from start

[proper roost]

It'll literally be different based on your current gear

Sighdge

[opaque quest]

Youll have to resim after every piece you get

But if you dont wanna do that: Ilvl > haste crit > vers > mas

Just use the droptimizer feature on raidbots. When you get the piece you farmed for hit it again

[still lance]

What embelishments are Prot Warriors useing these days?

[proper roost]

2x shadowflame

[still lance]

thx

[charred ivy]

i just asked about mastery cause i need more for fury play 🙂

[jagged pier]

youll be fine waering fury gear

[hazy bronze]

Just make sure to swap one of the weapons for a shield

I think that's the one thing most people would recommend here

[charred ivy]

maybe

xD

55% mastery haha

[opaque quest]

So salty we still dont have 2h prot tanking

[sick sentinel]

my predictions for TGP = echo today: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dI7icYoNr8w

[chilly brook]

Stats are literally the least important part about playing prot

All specs in general tbh

But prot specifically is press your buttons good 4head

Speaking of ya boi has made the commitment to come back to warrior for the raid team

[daring marlin]

hah loser

[chilly brook]

Sorry pink opinions are invalid

[proper roost]

hah loser

[chilly brook]

Rude

[sick sentinel]

fuck sanguine

i think i said that at least once this week

[blazing condor]

just move 4hed

[sick sentinel]

nah

literal protesting this week

doing 7 +2's and a 16

60 some sanguine healing one key, 55 the next, both failed to time, nope, im oout. i do 2's fill 3 slots i get 6 coins for a vault, take the spark

[blazing condor]

did u try moving

[sick sentinel]

nope

not going to

you cant make me play sanguine

[nocturne spindle]

Sanguine is like the one affix tanking actually gets to control

It's probably the only one you should like having since the pugs can't fuck it up lol

[sick sentinel]

shaman agrees with me

like, i totally understand the design behind necrotic, and when it works, its VERY fun

[tall tusk]

[sick sentinel]

sanguine can be the same, very fun, but it also has most probablity to swing backwards extremely hard

so, fuck sanguine, as the shaman says

[chilly brook]

Sanguine is annoying

I don’t find it enjoyable

But it’s also not bad, like if you’re not timing keys because of sanguine you got some problems

[real thunder]

Is BrutialVitality or FueledByViolence a better pick? Are they about the same? Is one better than the other for certain weeks/keys?

[hardy snow]

mostly personal preference, both dont give much

[real thunder]

Was looking at raider io for the top warrs and they are both used, just dont know if it's preference or one is better than the other for certain dungeons

[sick sentinel]

im not putting my self in a position to be taken advantage of by sanguine period

i refuse

[daring marlin]

Necrotic>>>>>Sanguine

I can get behind that

[sick sentinel]

necrotic IS fun though

[daring marlin]

bruh LMAO

taken advantage of by the pool

[south zealot]

no it’s not

[sick sentinel]

idgaf, whatever you say, you could not pay me enough to deal with sanguine

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-menacingly-spongebob-standing-there-gif-19452999

[sick sentinel]

you could pay me 1000$ to run a key, and i wouldnt do it

and i got less than 1000$ current

[daring marlin]

I'd take necrotic, especially the nerfed af later version, over 90% of the current affixes.

[sick sentinel]

im not even mad, im just not doing it lol

[daring marlin]

you sound mad yogi

It's just a happy little red pool man

[sick sentinel]

i just do not want to think about it, see it, none of it it all lmao

the more i think about it the more i get streseed about it

cuz, necrotic, if you die with necrotic stacks its because you are a dumb ass 99% of time

and you can chose when to kite and remove the stacks, probably really fun as a DH

random chatters even hate it! i know, i will message him and tell him to just move out of it

[daring marlin]

ok apb

[waxen orbit]

For whoever came up with Sanguine

[strong forum]

just bring back overflowing kappa

or teeming skittish bolstering necrotic explosive

[torn gulch]

wtaf

[strong forum]

im just making fun of the fact

that a large amount of affixes have been removed

[torn gulch]

and i am playing along

kekw

[strong forum]

cuz like

[torn gulch]

all of those were aids

[strong forum]

so many things that existed for years

[torn gulch]

in their past form

fortified teeming skittish motherlode

[strong forum]

affixes in general dont rly make sense anymore

cuz, the fact that keys scale is already the punishment and difficulty setting of it

aswell as now seasonally rotating dungeons to bring variety

[marsh sage]

i kinda like the fact that there are diffrent weeks

but sanguine in Uldaman can fuck off

[torn gulch]

we should be able to heal ourselves in sanguine then it is an affix that rewards good positioning

[grim pilot]

tbh I like the easier affixes rotating every week

it doesnt put that much difficulty to the dungeon and is a some sort of a variable

[valid finch]

this is probably a stupid question but is there a reason guides say craft the PM longsword over the obsidian one handers?

[crude notch]

No.

[strong forum]

obsidian?

theres something else besides primal molten ?

[proper roost]

just don't make the int weapons

[strong forum]

LMAO

[proper roost]

and ye gotta minmax transmog crafts :^)

[strong forum]

the obsidian is the int weapon

DONT craft that

for the love of god

[proper roost]

oop I hope he didnt craft it

[strong forum]

@valid finch

jordan doing an oopsie smh

[crude notch]

Oopsie

[proper roost]

i think there are maybe like obsidian maces or something idk

i remember having to be very careful on my shaman cuz it was agi mace right next to int only

[crude notch]

That's okay I crafted a 2h agi... Uh something that druids can't equip in season one.

Good times

[south zealot]

damn dude echo already did 30 hoi

ggwp

[crude notch]

It's joever

[south zealot]

every team needs a 29 vp and 30 hoi just to tie

[proper roost]

tie this

🖕

boom

[south zealot]

nas last hope is so close on this dungeon

6:30 for asaad is rough

[proper roost]

that moon guy is strugglin

he just asked in fury chat to craft the onuse weapon

embellishments were a failure

[strong forum]

TGP is over

echo already won

like

theres no chance for them not to win

theyre faster in every single key by a minute+

• have 2 keys higher

and both of em being super challenging

they can spam ulda until 29/30

[valid finch]

there is a obsid 1h axe with str

[strong forum]

then do FH31 until end of day

and mega GG

[strong forum]

ye but you asked about long sword

[south zealot]

yeah echo owned

[valid finch]

i know im a scrub

[south zealot]

kanga is bad too

don’t worry

[valid finch]

i asked is there a reason guides recommended the longsword over the other 1handes is all

[strong forum]

if its between all str 1hers, then it doesnt matter no

its just the first on the list that pops up

most common

no actual performance difference

[south zealot]

as long as it has strength it doesnt matter

[south zealot]

damn

[crude notch]

Holy shit

[south zealot]

na is deadge

two last second depletes in vp

well last 5 second wipe

[crude notch]

OMG

This is tragic

[valid finch]

thanks for the help. hopefully no more stupid questions today 😄

[strong forum]

questions are questions

🤷‍♂️

if you dont know something just ask, nobody will kill you for it

same applies to real life

only idiots/assholes make fun of people asking a question

[crude notch]

Is pika tall or is bunten really short? https://twitter.com/plkatv/status/1693330057241166156?t=AlUbQR7LumeYMLa4H1bmSQ&s=19

Plka (@plkatv)

They say to never meet you heroes but those people never met @thebunten ! Thank you and @dyrubs for being the best guides ever ^.^ 5 star yelp review!

Twitter · Aug 20, 2023, 6:32 PM

@patent osprey which is it?

[patent osprey]

Im asian, so do you think i could really be that tall?

[crude notch]

LMAO

[real thunder]

Is DefendersAegis the default pick at higher key levels? Also thought i saw in the pins that SpellBlock was most useful in Neltharus and (forgot the other dungeon) but i can't find it in the pins anymore...could be that i'm blind.

[strong forum]

plka easily 6'9

[strong forum]

it is not

defenders aegis is rly only the play in NL because of hulks

[patent osprey]

Also depends on your key level. The higher you go, the more useful defenders aegis is

[strong forum]

oh sense didnt even play it in NL

[patent osprey]

For instance neltarus the large chain pulls, its pretty beneficial

[patent osprey]

Yeah but naowh did for the +30

It can be beneficial

[strong forum]

obv

hulks is the only relevant thing there

[patent osprey]

Cause all that matters in most keys is the tank survivability

[real thunder]

ty both for the info. what were the keys you recommend spell block for? Neltharus and?

[strong forum]

Uldaman Neltharus primarily

[real thunder]

ty ty

[strong forum]

you can pick it in BH aswell when you have no confidence that the casts will be kicked between 1st and 2nd boss

[patent osprey]

So 99% of the time

Kek

[crude notch]

[strong forum]

idk sense only ate 4

but its senses group

😄

[patent osprey]

Yeah ur gonna recommend to the normal player base that everyone plays like sense group

[crude notch]

LMAO

[strong forum]

hence the caveat

[patent osprey]

Lol

[crude notch]

Wtb senses group

[patent osprey]

Wtb senses group

[strong forum]

he did play spellblock there regardless

but i wouldnt play it outside of ultra keys

pad brain too strong

[mellow bridge]

Wtb senses group

[south zealot]

lol dude i eat 4 a pack

thats not fair

[crude notch]

[south zealot]

Wtb senses group

[strong forum]

it is wild

if you compare sense logs to anyone else

takes like 30% less dmg than everyone

[south zealot]

blaming every deplete on my groups now

thanks

[crude notch]

ezpz

[strong forum]

a good group

[crude notch]

#nevermyfault

[strong forum]

makes an INSANE difference

in tank survival

[crude notch]

Maybe that's what it is, I've been too hard on myself, when I could just blame the other 4 people.

[south zealot]

i could tank 28s with a good group

[crude notch]

I could win TGP with a good group

[strong forum]

its moreso that alot of people who switch classes alot that then blame the class for shortcomings

instead of good coordination

but obv its the best

to look inward first and see what you couldve done different

but the same goes for your group

[sick sentinel]

that requires being honest though

and most arent willing to be honest

[kind urchin]

I've saved countless lives with intervene. I pretty much always run it now.

[jagged pier]

logs

[crude notch]

I looked inward and I'm a God.

I never play wrong.

[south zealot]

[strong forum]

ive never died in a video game

[crude notch]

game was bugged

(:

[sick sentinel]

is this gear any good?

and changing calamity for crafted shield

[strong forum]

id replace mark of dargrul with pocket anvil and forgestorm with crafted weapon

and necklace also with crafted neck

[sick sentinel]

torc right

[strong forum]

ye

alternatively

kagnis necklace from raid also really good

or bromach necklace from uldaman also really good

cant go wrong with those

if you wanna save a spark and have 200k gold, you can buy the boe boots from AH

for "free" 447 boots, theyre on myth track

they have 400 haste and 200 mastery, you can also convert them to tier boots which are 400 haste and 200 vers

but the 200 mastery on em are recommended to have unless you already have an alright amount of mastery (~1.5k)

[strong forum]

looks good if those are your highest ilvl pieces

[lusty grotto]

fury mains 🙂

well no, thats a bit low for fury mains

[proper roost]

arms main

[lusty grotto]

get crafted shield

and crafted weapon as soon as possible, but shield first

[proper roost]

and upgrade the grapnel

[lusty grotto]

yea

well all around upgrades really

[strong forum]

arms has like 40% crit on gear

[cobalt seal]

why is there a talisman in trinkets now

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

because

i got it from vault

[proper roost]

tfw i need to recraft everything for arms

soon..

[lusty grotto]

talisman is a good defensive trinket

shouldn't need it but

[chilly brook]

I blasted in a key in arms last night ngl

[lusty grotto]

if they have nothing else

[chilly brook]

For only being 426 I was impressed with myself

[strong forum]

was about to say

[lusty grotto]

plus they are not ilvl capped anyway

[chilly brook]

Blood boi blasted tho fr

[sick sentinel]

im broke

[strong forum]

bdk aoe dmg is really good

[lusty grotto]

keep spammin keys

and do heroic

[strong forum]

like BDK is 1 buff away from being absolutely disgusting in keys

[lusty grotto]

full clear if possible for wyrms

[sick sentinel]

i would do it in dps

[chilly brook]

Aspect crests are the bane of my existence

[sick sentinel]

wanna know the catch

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter how you do it on

but heroic is easy as tank

[sick sentinel]

yeah unless you do it in dps

[lusty grotto]

just do whatever you feel will get picked

[sick sentinel]

this is the catch

[strong forum]

shouldnt rly matter

[sick sentinel]

people kick me for doing low dps

[strong forum]

heroic raid is easy enough

[chilly brook]

Just do the raid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

.

[grim pilot]

ye but bdk got buffed like 10 times and it's still 4th or 5th dps on st

[lusty grotto]

so do it as tank

[grim pilot]

kekw

[strong forum]

emphasis on ST

[grim pilot]

kind of like nerfing sp 50 times and still blasting in keys

[sick sentinel]

never did raid as tank

[lusty grotto]

time to learn

[chilly brook]

Press mortal strike on cooldown and profit

[grim pilot]

then it needs a rework if it has insane aoe and dogshit st

[chilly brook]

BDK has always had some crappy single target tbh

[strong forum]

nah they just are only getting aura buffs

all they need is a ST dmg buff

not aura buffs

[sick sentinel]

im arms as dps adn my gear isnt ecxactly good for arms

[chilly brook]

But they could easily buff the single target only

[grim pilot]

I haven't ever played bdk outside of cata privates so I dont know shit but something is wrong when it's like that

[chilly brook]

Don’t matter, press your buttons

[chilly brook]

People focus too hard on whether their gear is optimized when they don’t press buttons properly

[lusty grotto]

yea

[torn furnace]

Too bad bdk is still trash cus it just flops vs real pulls

[lusty grotto]

thats true

[river creek]

I just applied for a PUG BH 20 and the lead whispered me he wouldnt let a prot spec warrior tank his kids M 0

Shits getting tough out there

[lusty grotto]

either way gotta do the content to get good at it, practice is not something thats non existent

[strong forum]

yeah BDK just doesnt translate well design wise into M+ unless they have like 80% parry

[torn furnace]

Bdk might do dmg but thats irrelevant when you speedrun any % dungeon enterance teleport

[lusty grotto]

ignore and move on

[strong forum]

its a 20

[lusty grotto]

if you have a blacklist, blacklist the fuck outta him, thats kind of harassment

[crude notch]

same

[strong forum]

this dude has no clue

nothing to sweat over

[grim pilot]

wdym u need guardian for 20

pwarr cant tank it

[river creek]

Yeah, problems in BH arent usually Tank related

[strong forum]

full vers corruptions for my weekly +16 bro

otherwise no invite

[crude notch]

shoulda said "damn your kid is THAT bad?"

[river creek]

Yeah, I was just floored. Tanks are the most scrutanized PUG members

[grim pilot]

I would say just leave and let him deplete his keys but getting invited to +20 as off meta might be harder than timing the key

[torn furnace]

Nah all roles are atm

[river creek]

Due to affix ?

[grim pilot]

due to pug mentality

[torn furnace]

Game is in a shit state & idiots believe comp matters under 28s

[river creek]

Tough out thtere for DPS warriors

[torn furnace]

Which it doesnt

[south zealot]

on the brightside they do solid damage

[river creek]

They really do

Had a group of 2 witha good Aug

[south zealot]

hunters do bad damage and dont lice

[river creek]

Shit was hell to keep aggro

[grim pilot]

solid but enha is better and that's just from melees

[torn furnace]

But ye this season might be the worst offender in regards to meta slaves

Is kinda cringe

[grim pilot]

nah I'm rerolling meta from now on

I cant get invited to 2 key level lower dungeons than I have done

[torn furnace]

I mean if you wanna play wow you do this every season

[grim pilot]

It's my 2nd season and 1st actual push season since I had to learn the stuff in s1

[torn furnace]

Unless you have a premade fine with you playing non meta

[grim pilot]

I had to learn the hard way

[south zealot]

the meta has literally never been this bad

[river creek]

id the meta chasing a by product of bad balancing?

[south zealot]

you dont have to reroll every season

[south zealot]

no

[grim pilot]

I have a premade but we played only on weekends so during the week I was legit unable to play keys I needed

last time I was invited to something that gives me rio was pre 10.1.5.

[crude notch]

Yeah people still had the problem of getting in groups last season and that season was statistically the most balanced season we've had

[grim pilot]

[lusty grotto]

i havent had any problems

[crude notch]

not on the same level as this season***

[lusty grotto]

lately

nothing out of the ordinary at least

[grim pilot]

idk last season felt harsh for me being arms warrior

[south zealot]

everytime i logged on my warrior every single key already had a tank

[grim pilot]

I remember having all 23's and I was waiting 4-5 hours straight in lfg simulator to get invited to hov 22

I was genuinely surprised when I heard it was a balanced season

[lusty grotto]

as a dps you need to run your key

or have astronomically high io

[south zealot]

everyone wanted a rogue/brez/lust for hov

[grim pilot]

why rogue specifically

blasters?

[south zealot]

vanish on fenryr

[grim pilot]

oh

[south zealot]

it was a balanced season but even when it is, people only want what they believe is absolute best

even if its only marginally best

[grim pilot]

ye I tried running my own key afterwards in s1 but ended up depleting around 50 runs in 1 week

fastest deplete was before we even got to mobs

[strong forum]

didnt last long :smh:

[grim pilot]

people broke stealth due to quaking and tank left

[strong forum]

tbf

this season really is the worst offender for not playing meta

by a landslide

[crude notch]

ye

[strong forum]

its usually not this bad

[grim pilot]

ye like I said from now on I'm gonna be meta slaving hard, I do want to play the game

[strong forum]

okay FAQ is now slightly updated

[south zealot]

yeah even s3/4 of shadowlands your third dps could be literally anything and while u wanted bdk/hpriest you can slot them out for other options

now u want ur 3rd dps to be good with pi and blessings

[strong forum]

ah fugg forgot a part

[lusty grotto]

its mostly because this season, survivability is more important due to heal checks, and just about every pick helps out in some form (this is only speaking for ultra high keys though, but this snowballs down)

[crude notch]

smh

We are currently one of strongest offensive tank in raids and Mythic+

at least fix the grammar

[grim pilot]

community follows top logs

they dont even know why

[torn furnace]

[grim pilot]

they just see specific comp and take it

[torn furnace]

Heal checks

[lusty grotto]

yes that hasnt changed in forever

[torn furnace]

Theres 2 heal check in the entire dungeon pool atm

[lusty grotto]

group surv

well

[grim pilot]

hoi and?

[lusty grotto]

and time constraints

[torn furnace]

VP last

[grim pilot]

isnt naraxas painful though

[chilly brook]

I mean I wouldn’t say that’s accurate

[torn furnace]

Nah

[chilly brook]

People aren’t playing healers for a reason

[grim pilot]

I havent healed above 11 so i cant speak I just heard its giga

[torn furnace]

Killed it on 29 tyra with him eating an add at 70%

[strong forum]

is being worked on

[torn furnace]

Snakebros chill

[grim pilot]

tbf add only adds to tank damage no?

or it affects throws

[crude notch]

people never play healers

this isn't new

[strong forum]

fixed

[torn furnace]

Affects all dmg he himself does, so poison & rancid, doesnt affect rockthrows

[grim pilot]

I thought its only physical damage

[south zealot]

the poison is dispelled insta, hard part is rocks which isnt buffed

[chilly brook]

This is an entirely new level of not playing healers

[crude notch]

@torn furnace what's the diffy in healing like Khajin without a bear and with a bear?

like feeling wise

[grim pilot]

Thought as a dps I didnt delve into some mechanics too much so idk

[torn furnace]

The 25% frenzy is phys, eating add is all dmg

[grim pilot]

oh

[torn furnace]

Irrelevant

[south zealot]

i dont understand healer complaints. ppl ask for healing checks ppl say healing checks are bad. some healers want to do damage some want to always be healing

[torn furnace]

Most wow players are turbotrash & dont know what they want

[south zealot]

fair enough

[crude notch]

even the good ones don't know what they want

[south zealot]

but even at the high end healers seem to have wildly differing opinions

[crude notch]

yep

[strong forum]

well yeah people are different

perfectly normal

[south zealot]

not sure how you could make healing more enticing to the average gamer

[strong forum]

same way you cant make tanking more enticing without pissing some people off

[crude notch]

yep

[daring marlin]

Alchemist healer

healy juice!

[torn furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1137020502867718184/image.png

[crude notch]

Just like the change off the defense caps was to make tanking more approachable but it pissed off a lot of people that were already tank.s.

[torn furnace]

29 tyra HoI 3rd boss

Bear healing on grp is w/e

[grim pilot]

my tank popped 110 hps there on 27 tyra

[crude notch]

ye figured. just thought i'd ask someone who knew firsthand

[strong forum]

tanks are being dumbed down, people want more engaging gameplay
tanks do damage? dps players will complain
tanks too squishy? everyone will complain
healers not heal enough? some healers will complain
healers heal too much? some healers will complain

[grim pilot]

and disc had like 195

[modern gazelle]

earthquake golems on Ulda do reduced damage through walls right?

or am i remembering wrong

[strong forum]

isnt it just straight up 0

cuz line of sight

[south zealot]

i think to get the most ppl playing tanks or healers they have to be wildly op

but obviously not great for the game

[torn furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226301753086181377/1137532764565024778/image-4.png

[grim pilot]

240

ehh

what the fuck

[daring marlin]

yes

[crude notch]

yes

[grim pilot]

not even 190

[torn furnace]

That was our 1st timed run, on 2nd run i did 233, on 3rd ~245

All 29 tyras

[south zealot]

what kinda dogshit comp is this

[grim pilot]

kekw

[strong forum]

its based af

wdym

[south zealot]

no monk

bad

[grim pilot]

we played that pre 10.1.5.

except we had ret premade

instead of augi

[south zealot]

revival the dragons

its good enough

[crude notch]

homie played auggie pre-10.1.5 nice

[torn furnace]

But ye idk ppl who go "bear carries HoI 3rd" are clueless

[crude notch]

haxxor

[torn furnace]

Bear does jack shit there in the grand scheme of things

Could spec out of Wildfire for all i care

[south zealot]

arty do u make vdh apl

[lusty grotto]

its because of mark of the wild

[crude notch]

...

People aren't talking about mark for one boss nim

[lusty grotto]

sorry im doing a key so not paying attention

[strong forum]

not OP, just engaging and rewarding for said engagement

[torn furnace]

No thats topple & meyra atm, i stopped doing anything VDH related months ago

Only time i go near vdh these days is when Andy wants coaching/advice

[strong forum]

issue comes from tanks and healers being mostly related to having more responsibility on lower levels

[south zealot]

oh ok

[strong forum]

that in itself is offputing for most

[torn furnace]

Why do u ask

[south zealot]

bc a guildie of mine said the vdh apl used to suck

and i wanted to know if i could make fun of you for it

[torn furnace]

It still probably does

I used to beat the sims by ~10-15%

[daring marlin]

fuckin' choco lmao

[crude notch]

not nearly as bad as munkyy days lol

[south zealot]

yeah he was saying the same

[torn furnace]

But no thats topple & meyra afaik

I cba vdh anymore

[strong forum]

i remember munkyy saying "i cant quit cuz none of you fucks have any idea"

[crude notch]

lol

I remember that

[south zealot]

what was bad about munky

idk who that is

[strong forum]

first VDH TC

idk what was bad about him either

i was mega cashul in legion

[torn furnace]

Living happy life as healer main these days

Tanklife is behind me

[south zealot]

i heard on reddit healing sucks

is this real

[torn furnace]

Healing sucks if you suck at wow

[sick sentinel]

depends who you are healing

[crude notch]

thoughts on the theun video?

[torn furnace]

Not watched it

No clue what its about

[south zealot]

can’t wait to spam this in competitivewow thanks

[strong forum]

reddit is

its not about whats right

its about what most people agree with

[torn furnace]

Competitivewow is funny, for being a subreddit about being "competitive" at the game, they do suck an awful lot

[daring marlin]

muh updoots

confirm my bias pls

[torn furnace]

Stop bitching & git gud

Ty

[strong forum]

reddit is more an echo chamber than class discords

and im trying real hard not to be one

[daring marlin]

a souls fan hmmmmm

[torn furnace]

Idk my approach to wow is "git gud, complaining wont help"

[south zealot]

surprised i for upvoteds with this comment

[strong forum]

oh yeah absolutely, im moreso trying to be open about stuff ive made my own mind up on already

[grim pilot]

->competitive wow

->discusses +20

[torn furnace]

But ive also learned that alot of ppl dont play wow like me

[proper roost]

healing owns this season tbh, if hpal giga buff didn't happen it would have been pretty good

[strong forum]

i miss disc priest

i like disc priest

[grim pilot]

overall this season felt much better to me than s1

pre 10.1.5. that is

[strong forum]

always happy when disc priest is good

[torn furnace]

Pre-10.1.5 this season was a banger

[proper roost]

seems like hpal is in an ok place in terms of numbers now but u have insane agency over entire key as healer atm

[daring marlin]

A good disc is a god

[grim pilot]

I started playing s1 in like w8-w9 so idk how it was early but it was giga balanced in s2

[torn furnace]

10.1.5 turned this into the worst season ever

[proper roost]

people are just whiny that they cant roll heals and get carried anymore after SL

[torn furnace]

Healing isnt even hard atm

Git gud press buttons

[strong forum]

in the first 2 months not much happened aside from people complaining that pwar was OP and then Pally taking over despite no relevant nerfs or buffs happening 🙂

[proper roost]

its just held accountable

[proper roost]

people hate that

[strong forum]

eurobeat starts playing

[crude notch]

Here's the healer one for keks

[strong forum]

im surprised that rsham was this popular

ngl

[torn furnace]

Rsham isnt bad

[strong forum]

cuz rsham legit only offers dmg output

[south zealot]

then pally got a rework as well

[torn furnace]

It just isnt hpal

[strong forum]

like its the VDH of healers

pure numbers

with 1 or 2 other things

[torn furnace]

Hpal is dumb atm tbf

[strong forum]

yeah absolutely but i'd expect some other healers pre-10.1.5

and not so many rshams

[daring marlin]

Poor MW lmao

[strong forum]

its MW

when was MW ever good outside of MDI in BFA s4

[daring marlin]

Pwarr+MW holding hands

[torn furnace]

Issue with hpal atm is that you're permanently under some form of CD

Which is insane

[strong forum]

pwar is actually among the most prominent m+ tanks throughout m+ history iirc

[daring marlin]

Historically 100%

[crude notch]

rip mw for sure.

[grim pilot]

lmaoooo

mw actually coming back slowly

[daring marlin]

Nobody likes that trash spec!

[grim pilot]

I saw 1 mw last 2 months and now I'm seeing them every other day

in friends' runs

[grim pilot]

stun, fastest kick in the game

[daring marlin]

Should lean into fistweaving and make it stronk

[grim pilot]

and solid heal

[strong forum]

like i said

VDH of healers

numbers + 1 or 2 things

the lack of external or groupwide DR can become detrimental real quick

[warm plinth]

phew, 2 weeks from vdh meta to overwhelming guardian meta, that's gotta be the biggest fuck you a meta spec has ever received

[strong forum]

prevoker druid or hpal exist

[crude notch]

There is no more leaning into it.

[strong forum]

i guess pre-10.1.5 key levels werent high enough

for that to matter

[warm plinth]

Isn 't fistweaving literally their main healing source now?

[crude notch]

yeah they hate it when you say "fistweaving" anymore it's literally just playing mw

[strong forum]

just like in SL s1 when people played the fuck out of rsham cuz numbers but would run into issues later on and hpal taking massively over with ashen

[daring marlin]

Make it do more dam

idk I don't play that shit

[strong forum]

bfa s4 MW was goat

spin for 200k dps

and infinite HPS

[daring marlin]

also kitelord on last boss in mdi

[strong forum]

legit a constant lay on hands spam on entire group

[daring marlin]

lmao wtf

goofy af

[strong forum]

if you didnt get 1shot youd be topped within 0.1seconds

best timeline

[daring marlin]

BFA S4 owned yes

[strong forum]

it was great until people started the whole vers bullshit

[crude notch]

[strong forum]

then tanks played on literal autopilot

you didnt have to play well

to do well

cuz lmao 90% vers

nothing does anything

[crude notch]

Still dealing with the vers amp mentality 7 seasons later

-_-

[daring marlin]

Just hope the dps didn't stand in shit

[strong forum]

until you reached a key range when dps started using vers amps

thats the most doomed shit

[daring marlin]

Except vdh/rogue just slappers/vers stack

tanky leather hoes

[crude notch]

Growl using vers amp triggered the shit out of dreamgrove

[strong forum]

final moments of FH31

[grim pilot]

5 mins

ye was about to write

[strong forum]

its funny how all of TGP is just echo now

[grim pilot]

they are just soooo far ahead of every other team for the whole finals its insane

[strong forum]

for the past hour or so

[grim pilot]

day 1 was FAIRLY balanced but since day 2 it's just echo basically

and when they locked in that hoi 30 today it's gg

[strong forum]

echo was ahead on day 1 with doing the 30 UR

[grim pilot]

nas last hope getting cucked hard though

[strong forum]

and +2ing the 29 fh

[grim pilot]

with its 29 vp

yeah that +2 was insane

[strong forum]

from that point on they were smoovin

start of day2 just being 2hrs of depletes just further cemented that

[grim pilot]

ye unless they somehow die now

it's ez fh 31

with like 30 sec left on the timer

they got lust and 100% damage increase with all cds

[crude notch]

i turned it off, it's joever

[grim pilot]

it really is

[south zealot]

damn dude perplexed shit on echos vp time

30 vp is so free now

[strong forum]

echo can literally afk now

[grim pilot]

perplexed was giga insane with their timer

they had like 3 attempts at last pack

every time with incredible timer

[crude notch]

tell that to NA LH

[strong forum]

1.5min is not enough for a keylevel

[south zealot]

oh no they didnt get the 29

[crude notch]

EU > NA

[south zealot]

yeah i was just memein

[grim pilot]

idk how cocky they are

[south zealot]

asaad just takes too fucking long

[crude notch]

missed first one by 5 seconds, second one by .003 seconds

[grim pilot]

but they can just write x3 tgp winners in their bios now

[south zealot]

literally a fourth of the key on a 30

[grim pilot]

[strong forum]

fyi

echo only ever lost 3 times

in the past 6? years

[crude notch]

yeah no you don't live 30 asaad aint no wayyyyyy

[south zealot]

they shouldve just did the 31 freehold yesterday

with the 2 chest

[sick sentinel]

echo timed 30 fh?

[strong forum]

31

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[grim pilot]

30 was like with 4 mins left

[blazing condor]

difficulty is in the name

its free

[sick sentinel]

world first 3 hold 31?

[south zealot]

what do u even do for 180 points

[grim pilot]

keep in mind they nerfed godcomp by like 20% or more

[south zealot]

30 uldaman?

31 brackenhide actually i think

[sick sentinel]

if thats world first that would make a great video breakdown by dratnos

the 31 fh

[grim pilot]

it is

[strong forum]

world first 31 fh, world first 29vp and world first 30hoi

[crude notch]

31 BH

surely

[south zealot]

its world first for this expansion

[grim pilot]

ulda 30 cant crack so only bh 31 maybe

[south zealot]

oh wait its world first for bfa too they only did 29 then

[grim pilot]

but I doubt they can pull off 31 bh tho

[strong forum]

just improve the time on VP

but prolly 30 ulda

[grim pilot]

nah it's not doable

too tight

[south zealot]

redoing 29 vp just do get a faster time would be so chad

[strong forum]

according to arty it is doable

[lusty grotto]

this is what i meant when i said heal checks @torn furnace: well that and surv checks, looking at 28-31s, the pulls you need to do to time require specific tools which the comp basically has. This obviously has absolutely 0 relevance to anything lower than. But these picks snowball into lower keys which is nothing new. This is basically the same problem that versa gearing has.

[sick sentinel]

group yelled at me tannnnkkk in say cuz i was watching them fight sweed 10% while doing the VP final boss on low key

[south zealot]

@torn furnace is it doable

[grim pilot]

they had 90 sec on timer with clean run

[strong forum]

mh

[crude notch]

not counting prepatch ye

[grim pilot]

like the only thing they could do in ulda

is grab 1st pull into 1st boss

like perplexed(?) did it in 28

[south zealot]

ye

[grim pilot]

they saved a minute on that

but still doubt 2:30 is enough for a key level, imo 3min+

[south zealot]

i think 31 brackenhide is easier than 30 uldaman but i havent actually watched that much

so may be a chatter

[south zealot]

generally its 10% of the timer

assuming 2 equally clean runs

[grim pilot]

I think none of those are doable with the time they have left and should just fix timer on vp to flex

[south zealot]

they are in bh

[grim pilot]

[torn furnace]

30 uldaman is doable esp with those affixes but the pulls are cursed

[south zealot]

180 is so much cooler than 179

[crude notch]

FF if no 180

[torn furnace]

The required pulls to do 30*

[grim pilot]

if that bh cracks they will be literally x2 key levels ahead of one of the other teams

and break the world record twice in 1 weekend

[strong forum]

tbf TGP regularily breaks world records

[grim pilot]

yeah but twice is huge

[torn furnace]

Heal check refers to hps checks tho, generally

[strong forum]

thrice

[grim pilot]

I meant twice 1 record

29 into 31

[south zealot]

yeah, keys are technically doable higher on live bc avoidance and shit

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats true

[south zealot]

but getting the keys and spamming attempts is obviously easier on tr

[crude notch]

29 BH wasn't a wr

[torn furnace]

Group having to survive stuff that 1shots it isnt a heal check

[grim pilot]

no but 30 was

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[torn furnace]

It's an ehp check

[crude notch]

30 wasn't wr

[grim pilot]

it was

afaik?

I think

[south zealot]

someone 100p it

right now

[blazing condor]

tgp > mdi

[torn furnace]

Like, in terms of actual heal checks this season has 2 (3, kinda but not rly)

[crude notch]

wait are ur nelt the only 30s on live.

well damn

[torn furnace]

It has alot of ehp checks tho

[lusty grotto]

right

i meant the latter

[crude notch]

magmatusk was before nerf D:

[torn furnace]

Magmatusk prenerf would be fun with current patch

[grim pilot]

magma going from hardest boss in s2 to a joke is still funny

not even hardest in the dungeon

[south zealot]

shit was easy prenerf

[torn furnace]

Eeh

[south zealot]

ppl are just bad

[torn furnace]

It is

[south zealot]

(i only did +12 neltharus before 2nd round of nerfs)

[grim pilot]

well I havent done 30 I tried it on 27 max and it felt much easier than 3rd boss

[torn furnace]

30 tyra magmatusk is spookier than any other boss in Neltharus

[crude notch]

LMAO

[grim pilot]

though we're not using invis on blacksmith and our healer is disc so idk

[torn furnace]

"This boss is hard cus we're doing nothing to make it easy"

[grim pilot]

we cant really make it easier unless we use race swap or change classes

and im not gonna pay 30 euros for 1 boss

[south zealot]

na's last hope is gonna get second

lets go