sure but most top m+ tanks prep all tanks
#protection
south zealot
maiden ravine
As someone who heals a lot I'm excited for it to come back to a prot warrior meta
south zealot
warrior meta is rare
strong forum
it was all basically just bandwagoning
maiden ravine
BfA is right there still. Fairly recent
south zealot
that was half a decade ago
crude notch
Bro calm down Legion keys were 5 years ago
south zealot
monk mets is even rarer
maiden ravine
It's only been 3 years since the end of BfA season 4, don't make it seem longer than it was
south zealot
but fuck em
crude notch
THe one monk meta was bc of a bug too lol
south zealot
It's only been 3 years since the end of BfA season 4, don't make it seem longer ...
almost half a decade ago
same same
crude notch
are you on the ganja?
strong forum
SL was 2020
crude notch
we were doing shadowlands keys less than a year ago
maiden ravine
COVID screwed everyone up
strong forum
but counting all of m+, i think BDK and pwar were meta tank the most
could be wrong tho
crude notch
well
strong forum
VDH also up there
south zealot
i thought it was bdk and bear
crude notch
are we counting legion?
strong forum
ye with legion
crude notch
it's bdk bear with legion
south zealot
im a genius
maiden ravine
That is inflated some by the fact pwar and bdk were both meta on last patches that lasted most of a year
south zealot
(i looked at jordans sheets)
crude notch
lol
strong forum
bear was good 2 seasons in legion, never in BFA, 2 seasons in SL and 1 season now iirc
charred gyro
crude notch
THEY DID MY CHANGE
south zealot
key scaling nerfed
maiden ravine
And hasn't bear only been truly meta since 10.1.5?
strong forum
And hasn't bear only been truly meta since 10.1.5?
it was already good before that
charred gyro
Cant wait to deplete 29s now 🤓
crude notch
yep that adds 2 key levels
south zealot
cant wait for reddit to switch up and say this is a bad change
for whatever stupid reason
maiden ravine
So keys now are 8% from 2-10, 10% from 11-20, and then back to 8%?
south zealot
what sucks is now key math is harder
maiden ravine
This is them just trying to mimic pvp rating inflation but can't nerf the challenge of achievement keys
maiden ravine
Doesn't make me wanna do more +20s on alts haha
charred gyro
i wanna do keys now
Same lf mage/aug/shadow and hpal
strong forum
This is them just trying to mimic pvp rating inflation but can't nerf the challe...
its to make up for exodia nerfs so people can still do 30s
and it lowers the diff between exodia and other comps
maiden ravine
I know it is, but it's also trying to create some rating increase cause NA cutoff didn't climb at all this week
primal crypt
is the class actually viable?
south zealot
depends what u consider viable
south zealot
they cant do 40s but can slam 37s easily
crude notch
Just need to have a bear for every other key outside of NL and a pwar for NL and you'l be r1
south zealot
i never know if ppl are trolling until 2nd or 3rd message 
crude notch
Just assume anyone with the stupid pepe as pfp is trolling
south zealot
Just need to have a bear for every other key outside of NL and a pwar for NL and...
bear got merfed they are dead
holy moly
strong forum
i never know if ppl are trolling until 2nd or 3rd message <:sadge:82020236335985...
yamo is a regular for years
plush tendon
VDH>Blood me thinks
strong forum
that was the giveaway 😉
plush tendon
VDH pretty solid this season
strong forum
anytime VDH is meta its cope imo
south zealot
i dont know the prot guys i only talked in here for s4 shadowlsnds
crude notch
Secretly I think Boomkin > Fire mage now
maiden ravine
I hate healing vdh
strong forum
or 5% magic dmg is required
strong forum
which ties into OP dmg output
south zealot
yeah its pretty much whoever does more damagine including their raid buff
plush tendon
honestly... true
maiden ravine
It can kite hehe
plush tendon
DH cant do afflicted
strong forum
or can they cage it
plush tendon
they can do Incorp
crude notch
they cage it ye
plush tendon
honestly really nice since imprison is instant cast
south zealot
but thats a damage global youre not doing
crude notch
Slot boomie for fire, vdh for bear. you gain the nerf damage back
maiden ravine
Only warriors can't do anything but kick incorporeal. Dks can control it but unholy don't wanna and you can't parry while casting I think
crude notch
ezpz
south zealot
warriors can shattering throw and menace intimidating shout
but both of those are dogshit options
plush tendon
all we need is some Wind Wanker buffs
bring back god comp of Prot War, WW, Enhace, Something, Something ❤️
plush tendon
a man of culture
south zealot
but dn
plush tendon
the rogue obviously
south zealot
windwalker obviously that class is dogshit
plush tendon
dont take my 5%
fickle ingot
pls buff ww
south zealot
ppal, disc, boomie, aug, fmage
copege
daring marlin
pls buff ww
plush tendon
i dont know about prot pal
late mesa
we’re back boys
plush tendon
but I like the adaptation XD too bad its still the same classes, just role swapped
big fan of their being different types of M+ group comps like there is in PVP so we can get some cool names
I want Turbo Cleave M+ Comp name ❤️
strong forum
i dont think disc is gonna see the light of day
plush tendon
what about MW
strong forum
MW doesnt have MD or mindsoothe
plush tendon
strong forum
nor does it have DR
south zealot
what about MW
lol
serene birch
I was recently coming back to prot warri after tanking some time on BDK and ProtPala and I am very confused. My damage output is abysmal, it's approx. 50% of DK and Paladin. That can't be correct, right? It has to be a me-issue?
serene birch
Phew
strong forum
the only tank that does like 10-20% more dmg in m+ than other tanks is Brew
everyone else does roughly the same
maybe pally bit less, havent seen alot of them
serene birch
No, but i'm glad to hear that. I'll check my stuff again, will create some logs and if it's not getting better, I'll come back 🙂
south zealot
sick sentinel
DOTI. Deios breath damage
Spell block didn’t feel great
Reflect / IV and alternate last stand?
strong forum
It's got like 60% uptime on the dot
You cant really rotate stuff
Just use everything you have all the time try to have DRs up for the initial hit of it as that hits 3x as hard as the dot itself
The hit is like 500k and the dot is 130k per tick per second
You can also apparently leap out of the frontal
plush tendon
You can also apparently leap out of the frontal
😮 thats some tech
pallid fox
So will prot still use battle stance, or just lazily stay in dstance now
south zealot
only use dstance when you need it as a defensive cooldown
lavish sphinx
Battle stance gets keys done quicker
south zealot
generally sit in battle stance
pallid fox
the only tank that does like 10-20% more dmg in m+ than other tanks is Brew
Doesn't brew kinda jump to the lead now when paired with aug?
pallid fox
I'm also thinking about their armor gain with aug
south zealot
still remains the squishiest tank
but yes they do gain the most defensiveness from aug
warm plinth
tranquil drift
Hmm 5% damage reduction from defensive stance now, that's nice!
crude notch
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
People are really struggling with conceptualizing why this is actually a big change. On it's own it seems silly because it extends everyones cap so why does it matter, but paired with even more meta comp nerfing it lowers the new cap for the meta comp while only being an overall increase for non-meta specs.
I'm obviously almost 100% positive this doesn't change the meta at all but I for one as someone who tracks week to week changes, am curious to see how it changes OTHER things.
warm plinth
Yeah, it's a good change
dawn canyon
the 1 slot really in danger is the mage i guess
crude notch
yea
crude notch
If mage loses out to boomkin though then Bear is also effectively in danger.
In short, boomkin.
tranquil drift
Too bad the disc rework is not here yet or we could have a swap of the holy paladin for a disc priest, then we could have a melee comp with something like warrior + rogue + aug?
crude notch
What do you think are the potential replacements?
My super secret OP actual meta comp if people were willing to swap 3 of the 5 pieces in the puzzle is PPal, Disc, Aug, Boomie, Mage.
tranquil drift
aug there forever now though lol, at least for the rest of the exp
crude notch
I think aug gets gutted end of S3 or replaced by the new definitely worst kept secret support Disc Priest.
tranquil drift
support disc priest, really?
crude notch
Mark. My. Words.
tranquil drift
I'm no admin or I'd pin this :D
tbh it'd kinda make sense as disc has always been so hard to balance as a healer
crude notch
I'm feeling bold after correctly predicting how they'd give this season the juice.
tranquil drift
still not seeing meta prot warrior though, are you? :x
crude notch
At no fault of PWar, no. Your meta tank is gonna be literally only brought for either Mark, Devo Aura, or Chaos Brand.
In the current DPS landscape, Brew and PWar suffer from not bringing a desired buff and not being noticeably ahead of everyone else (Brew kinda there with their damage).
tranquil drift
I mean if you start thinking about a melee comp they do bring a desired buff :D
crude notch
Hence my opening qualifier
"In the current DPS landscape"
Not to mention usually your mage player isn't really a melee Andy.
brittle owl
crude notch
Lol
civic moon
My super secret OP actual meta comp if people were willing to swap 3 of the 5 pi...
Arms might also be a competitor but its ST lacks
Furys problem is being capped
civic moon
I think aug gets gutted end of S3 or replaced by the new definitely worst kept s...
Well i think replacing aug with wnother spec increses ur overall damage?Its good cuz it helps with other stuff not just dps so if healers get massive buff it might not be as good
crude notch
Arms might also be a competitor but its ST lacks
Arms????
jagged gust
Never heard of him. Does he not play well or something?
mortal dagger
civic moon
Hes one of the best warrior players imo
civic moon
Never heard of him. Does he not play well or something?
Hes almost 3.5k rating but he plays mainly with ougs
Pugs
plush tendon
my understanding is that arms are playing this SKS build for prio damage now
but I bet you could do big aoe dam with the bladestorm build; still, there are probably better classes/specs to consider if you want that sort of damage profile
lavish sphinx
Is Ulduman the worst dungeon this season or is it just me?
grim pilot
that I can agree about
maiden ravine
Underrot is the hardest easy key ever.
They really shouldn't have made the frontal cone easier to see when there's multiple mobs, and those kicks are horrendous if you don't coordinate
sick sentinel
Its still haste versa best stat for prot?
jagged pier
nope never had been that being said it doesnt make much of a difference at all
so if u like vers go vers
sick sentinel
I just returned playng warrior and soemone told me hast versa its not "normal" now compared to S1 warrior it was versa/critc this meta stat priority
jagged pier
well thats wrong
it also wasnt haste vers S1
its ilvl
haste
crit >= vers
mastery
sick sentinel
so any crafting now, should i aim for the haste/critic "scroll" for crafting?
Since critic its = to vers
urban portal
Underrot is the hardest easy key ever.
That’s the most true statement I’ve heard all day
jagged pier
so any crafting now, should i aim for the haste/critic "scroll" for crafting?
if u want as i said it makes a very small difference if u like vers just go for vers
sick sentinel
Alright, gonna give it a go. Thanks
proper roost
LCK semifinals is kind of a banger
crude notch
Silver Scrapes Telecom wars baby
proper roost
wtf
they played silver scrapes back to back
LMAO
anyway I literally tuned in in game 3 right as T1 started losing
so i am bad luck
o7
fuk man that ryze was literally unkillable
proper roost
Bruh
ebon geyser
Looks like warrior is back in the menu bois
Finally I can stay in def stance all the time 
proper roost
is aiming insane on zeri or what @crude notch
robbed tbh better adc by a lot
dodged so much shit entire game
crude notch
Weird prio on zeri this series, she's so glass cannon now
proper roost
actually so insane
kiin robbed
aiming robbed
good thing ill actually watch worlds gauntlet now
since i care about kt
crude notch
KT flukes once again
Like how do you steal baron twice and steal elder and lose the game. Frauds.
proper roost
keria is so cute
wait what's this uproar about a $200 chroma @crude notch
is that real or a meme
crude notch
Nah it's real
proper roost
jfc lmao
crude notch
It has a 1% droprate from 750 RP capsules you buy but you are guaranteed it after 30 capsules
proper roost
Lmao what the actual fuck
THERE WAS A LOUIS VUITTON + LEAGUE COLLAB? lmfao holy fuck
actually getting squeezed so fuckin hard
crude notch
yea qiyana lv skin is dope
crude notch
It's wild how dogshit that team was without him
crude notch
why were you up early enough for this series?
crude notch
d'aww
median tulip
I love how they've nerfing the thing I already don't use because it's too weak to care about
cerulean tusk
It is a buff 
strong forum
median tulip
IS it not a reduction to the effect?
strong forum
Does it say damage reduction
median tulip
Am I Englishing bad?
strong forum
Or damage dealt reduction
sick sentinel
its blizzard englishing bad
strong forum
2 very different things
median tulip
Oh
strong forum
It's the dmg penalty being lowered from 10% to 5%
median tulip
So the defensive part is unchanged but it doesn't nerf DPS quite as much
strong forum
Going about buffing negatives is not always easy to phrase
cerulean tusk
Ya got it
strong forum
Cuz people only see bigger number get smaller
median tulip
Right
strong forum
And obv big number better than small number!
median tulip
Yeah, plus I sometimes English bad
sick sentinel
sadly it will never ever get used due to 5 % less shieldslam dmg
hardy snow
im losing faith in humanity when I see how many people read this changes and thinks its nerf to d-stance
sick sentinel
im losing faith in humanity when I see how many people read this changes and thi...
i lost my faith in humanity many years ago
wooden radish
why did the number on defensive stance get smaller 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
cerulean tusk
I will use dstance to reduce busters, and you guys can't stop me! 
south zealot
faker is good on azir
his entire career couldve ended if he didn’t become insane on azir
proper roost
easyhoon'd
solemn current
Am I crazy to think that if the shield wall talent change from beta was live currently where your shield wall DRs the party it wouldn’t be considered broken like we thought originally? When you compare to what something like bear or even pally offer in terms of group utility now.
Tuned obviously
dusky canopy
why did the number on defensive stance get smaller 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡...
They are reducing the damage penalty when in d stance
It is a W
Albeit a small one because we don’t really sit dstance ever
strong forum
Am I crazy to think that if the shield wall talent change from beta was live cur...
it would be
8sec of 20% group DR with 2 charges with ~1.5min CD
is not okay
youd just be another piece of exodia
hence why we hard pushed for it to get removed
strong forum
sorry that we dont want blatantly overpowered and toxic game design in practically every scenario on our class tree
🙏
south zealot
Am I crazy to think that if the shield wall talent change from beta was live cur...
reducing damage before it happens is always better than healing it after the fact
dusky canopy
I dont think youd really want your own major defensive tied to group wide defensive anyway
because you want to use that for your own living
and if it was group wide youd be forced to use it when it made more sense for the group to live
not good
strong forum
more often than not
when your group needs the buff
you yourself dont need it
and vice versa
e.g. Uldaman trash or bosses
hazy bronze
Group utility is one of the things that makes games like these fun imo
strong forum
thats fine but blatantly overpowered unique stuff is not a fun reason to be brought
strong forum
same as its hella annoying that pwars main reason for being played in some dungeons is
"hurr durr SR go brr"
thats not a fun reason
strong forum
everyone brings whats "Overpowered"
yeah and i cant stand people who cry about being nerfed when clearly overpowered, thats insanely selfish and disingenuine
but thats just a personal thing i guess
i dont like overpowered things and people who only play for the reason of playing the most overpowered shit
hazy bronze
Well yeah I was just being humorous
dusky canopy
Couldn't agree more. feels really shit not being brought only for lacking "overpowered" design
solemn current
8sec of 20% group DR with 2 charges with ~1.5min CD
Hence why tuning is possible. 20% feels overturned, but we insisted it be removed because it seemed like providing group utility in itself would never be balanced as a tank so it needed to go, but the amount of group healing bear and pally provide (among other group utility) while being no less tanky and providing more damage is pretty obnoxious. Having to choose between party survivability and our own is simply a situational decision.
strong forum
pally in m+ spec loses ALOT of single target which one of the reasons why its less popular, they do legit like 15-20k dps less on bosses than other tanks
bear often doesnt even play their group healing talents
and if you "tune" group wide DR
to say 10%
its not gonna be relevant enough
but even 10% in WF keys will make a difference, but not in lower keys
i understand the sentiment
but i cant see it playing out well with having that talent
hence why it just got removed cuz if its too weak youre just gonna ignore it, if its too strong itll be the sole reason for pwar to be played
south zealot
something like safeguard is more balanced and easier to use properly
strong forum
safeguard was also insane, but yes
south zealot
would make more sense to make safeguard a talent instead of group wide dr on shield wall
solemn current
Gives a way to compete with the provided group utility. And just because some tanks have decided it’s worth giving up AtW and DoC doesn’t make the talent any less powerful. It’s simply a result of how broken Aug + holy pally have been. Remove those and those bears would likely be back running it lol.
Yea I’d happily take safeguard back instead. Especially if intervene was baseline.
strong forum
there just arent alot of raw healing checks this season, only on a few bosses like hoi 3rd boss or NL 3rd
strange lintel
is the defencive stance buff going to allow us to use it more prominently?
south zealot
still used in the same times and places you use it
strong forum
most other bosses, as long as they dont oneshot you you have infinite time to heal back up
dusky canopy
Total shot in the dark, off topic question.. I can not figureout where the blue text on the target frame is coming from.. does anyone by chance recognize this?
strong forum
looks like a "time to die" weakaura
south zealot
correct
dusky canopy
it updates in real time based on me pressing abilities
alright now i hunt my WAs
thanks guys
south zealot
safeguard was also insane, but yes
yes definitely strong but more manageable than groupwide since its only one target
strong forum
yes
but imagine how hard the community would cry
about how OP pwar is cuz it has group DR
when they already cry whenever SR can reflect a single spell
solemn current
most other bosses, as long as they dont oneshot you you have infinite time to he...
As a person who healed up to 23s as a shaman (haven’t pushed anything on him since 10.1.5) as much as it feels like this it isn’t so much that in practice. Definitely don’t have forever and there are plenty of pain points throughout an entire dungeon. My tank I usually healed had played bear the whole season and his AtW was a godsend for those moments.
dusky canopy
HAH found that little bastard. lol thanks guys!
strong forum
thats cuz people arent using their defensives
dusky canopy
its been driving me nuts
dusky canopy
finally decided to fix it
strong forum
cuz a) accidental dmg just kills you
a mistake just kills you, cant heal 1shots
in low keys, you can heal mistakes cuz it doesnt 1shot
hardy snow
its been driving me nuts
thats what you get, when you install some shit packs without checking whats in the pack
dusky canopy
Naowhs packs are not shit home slice
strong forum
and b) people use defensives at the correct moments
dusky canopy
just some things in it i do not prefer
grim pilot
the less healers have to heal
Healers have the hardest time in low-mid keys
On top notch keys tank suffer the most
grim pilot
U have to rotate defs correctly too, yes
strong forum
and not stand in shit, CC the correct shit
tanks do that all the time anyway
shit gets a bit more scripted
grim pilot
Idk outside of stuff like apparatus I dont feel that much pressure
grim pilot
But then again I never tanked above 23
strong forum
im merely assuming
solemn current
23 not a low key though lol. It’s higher than what most players are clearing especially before exodia came along and carried people through a few key levels. It’s not like anything below a 28 is not relevant to how something should feel. The real truth is 99.9% of players are going to make plenty of mistakes and not use perfect utility. It doesn’t make the point any different.
strong forum
its not low, but low enough for mistakes to not 1shot you
solemn current
Most mistakes still one shot you
grim pilot
Whenever I see my tank pull half the dungeon I always have a thought that he will get oneshotted anytime
I cant imagine myself doing that
strong forum
a key that can be +3'd i wanna say can be considered a low key
dusky canopy
I'm happy doing 23s/24s becuase I can make a mistake and still time the key
south zealot
shit hurts more the higher you go but people get better with defensives and group utility
dusky canopy
cant say the same for anything much* higher
strong forum
but thats just my take
strong forum
youre obv free to disagree
whats considered high and low key depends entirely on the person
grim pilot
To me “low” are keys u can outgear
Aka up to 20
440 party shouldn’t struggle with basic knowledge
Of dungeon and class
strong forum
to some people 20s are high keys
grim pilot
U dont need to pull half the dungeon nor pump dps
grim pilot
dusky canopy
I have wow friends who can barely do 10s
same with 15s
and 20s
people over estimate the skill level of the average player in this game
we sit in a bubble doing our 20+ keys
strong forum
just had to tell a friend that hes in a bubble when he thinks KSM is just a participation trophy
dusky canopy
KSM is literally end game level for the vast majority of players along with heroic raid
and even at that
solemn current
But top end keys aren’t the basis to how keys are going to feel to the usual above average player. There’s also just the blatant fact that the same mistakes people felt they can get away with in a 23/24 now weren’t the same mistakes they could get away with before the exodia comp existed. You didn’t have that utility to fall back on you won’t always have that utility to fall back on in the future. A 24 now feels like what a 21-22 key felt to me pre exodia.
dusky canopy
heroic raid is very challenging for alot of people
strong forum
But top end keys aren’t the basis to how keys are going to feel to the usual abo...
and a 26 will feel like a ~24 after next weeks change 
we're gonna see 31 and 32s timed starting next week
solemn current
~24.8 key*. 2 key level difference doesn’t hit until +30.
dusky canopy
Yeah I found the scaling change to be quite humerous.. blizz acts like no other class outside god comp was pushing score as well
strong forum
Well
If you didn't play exodia, Bar say 1 maybe 2 classes
You didn't have a chance at title
They closed the gap between exodia and non exodia
dusky canopy
Thats fair, the way I look at it is they nerfed god comp and also made the keys easier.. so god comp will still be the best and it will still be the only comp run
kinda redundant imo
dusky canopy
itll allow other comps to climb witch is great but you will only see god comp doing 30s* for example
strong forum
The title cutoff will rise, but not as much as it would've without the nerfs
So more classes will get a chance
grim pilot
~24.8 key*. 2 key level difference doesn’t hit until +30.
a true 2key diff no but 28 is just barely above what current 26 is
strong forum
Cuz more people will play
solemn current
Na you had that right with the 20s. Pugs still ain’t gonna invite anything but the meta lol.
grim pilot
cutoff predictions?
3550 imo
with current exodia state
maybe 3580
with 3.6 you should be safe
strong forum
Yeah that's where my pre-nerf prediction was
But now with the nerfs + io injection
It'll be like 3600ish
Imo
grim pilot
imo it wont hit 3.6
coarse star
will the upcoming mage nerf open other dps options?
strong forum
Kinda but not rly
grim pilot
few days ago was first day in history when cutoff actually fell down
by 0.1 but still
grim pilot
I think that it will open some other dps options
strong forum
Only by 10%
grim pilot
mage is probably still the best true
but enha/boomie/fury might be viable option
then again if people go boomie they might grab pwarr instead
strong forum
Mage still has mass barrier
grim pilot
its crazy how much they nerfed godcomp and its still the best
strong forum
Boomy enha fury dont
grim pilot
true but fury has spell reflect value and is better in 5 targets than mage afaik
also enha giga pumps
strong forum
Yeah but dmg isn't what's limiting keys rn
It's surv
Only key where dmg is limited is VP
grim pilot
ye I wanted to say about vp
that dmg actually limits it
and bh too
totem is the only reason we havent seen +30
grim pilot
SR?
strong forum
spell reflect
grim pilot
oh
dunno I'm just happy they did something about it, if it was a bit earlier we could've seen some varities in tgp
in terms of mage vs something else
we only saw enha but it didnt qualify to the finals
strong forum
you wont ever see proper variety in MDI or TGP
people will play whats the best
the only time when you see variety is when people havent figured out whats the best yet
aka fresh xpac
it always takes a few months before people try out enough specs to see whats actually good and not just bandwagon onto 1 thing
grim pilot
Im not even talking about proper variety, just meant ANY
Seeing literally 1 comp everywhere is tiring
Same 5 specs
grim pilot
It is yes
strong forum
better than any comp ever before
south zealot
you wont ever see proper variety in MDI or TGP
idk why people havent figured this out yet
strong forum
previous comps were largely based on "who does biggest dam" which left a bit more of an open end in some ways
south zealot
its so fucking absurd to see people upset tgp and mdi dont have “diversity”
strong forum
but MDI and TGP will always be dominated by that 1 comp
unless its dungeon specific abuse
like spell reflect
grim pilot
Nah I understand that part choco, but as far as I recall mdi had different specs in different dungeons and there was some variety
south zealot
rarely
grim pilot
Not god knows how much but there was some difference
grim pilot
I meant df mdi, I havent played retail before df
strong forum
in BFA 8.0 it was BDK + sub rogue + uhdk + cant remember + disc
in 8.1 it was pwar + 2-3x outlul/uhdk +rdruid
then it was pwar + 2-3x outlul/uhdk + hpal
then it was brew/pwar + 2-3x outlul/uhdk + hpal
then it was pwar + 2-3x brm/firemage + MW
coarse star
Moba esports has good variations in their choices. I know its different genere.
Just wondering what would it take to get variety in wow too? maybe realease 30 more specs? lol
south zealot
as nomer said, only time there was “real variety” was in sl s1
strong forum
Moba esports has good variations in their choices. I know its different genere. ...
moba has 6 buttons per character and no time investment to jump from hero to hero
and 100++ champions
south zealot
Moba esports has good variations in their choices. I know its different genere. ...
its pvp
there is always variance in pvp
south zealot
would it be cool if there were 10 or more viable tgp/mdi specs? sure it would be cool
strong forum
the only time youre gonna see variety is
a) early xpac when nothing is figured out and
b) someone playing their main spec for the fuck of it
south zealot
but thats basically impossible
strong forum
which was the enha this TGP for example
strong forum
was just people playing what they main, not whats better whilst knowing they have no chance to actually win
grim pilot
which was the enha this TGP for example
For a moment I thought they might be r1/r2 when they oneshotted ulda but then reality kicked in 
kind urchin
it always takes a few months before people try out enough specs to see whats act...
Kinda like bear at the start of the season. All the tier lists had it almost dead last but people started playing it to prepare for the rework and realized it was actually already really good.
strong forum
yeah bear was already competetive pre-talent shift
and for example the VDH hype early on
was full on copium if you ask me
grim pilot
I played with bear before 10.1.5. and it seemed like a solid pick
grim pilot
kekw
strong forum
you can see it so often
naowh does something "offmeta" and people will start to copy
same goes for andy when hes r1 or close to it
coarse star
the only time youre gonna see variety is
a) early xpac when nothing is figured ...
Early expansion tournaments would be cool too tbh.
You go into new dungeons with gears from previous tier but with differnt talents balance changes from new tier and then compete.
kind urchin
I hate those stupid tier lists that people make. It makes it hard to get in pugs on a spec that is actually good but people think is bad because tier list.
strong forum
I hate those stupid tier lists that people make. It makes it hard to get in pug...
hence why andy refuses to make them
dusky canopy
3k F tier gamin bb lets goooo
strong forum
you cant possibly give enough of a nuanced and knowledgable answer
dusky canopy
strong forum
on multiple specs
and still be accurate as a lone person
at BEST theyre guesstimates
but reality is theyre just cash grabs
kind urchin
They do get views.
strong forum
Early expansion tournaments would be cool too tbh.
You go into new dungeons wit...
wont happen cuz of raid
DF s1 we had MDI relatively shortly after RWF
but at that point the overwhelming majority of players is still progress raiding
not having alot of time for MDI unlike RWF players
south zealot
Early expansion tournaments would be cool too tbh.
You go into new dungeons wit...
could be interesting but conflicting events already happening
strong forum
not to mention that MDI and TGP is only really accessible by players who have insane amounts of hours to pour into the game
and actually compete seriously
so MDI and TGP are only the culmination of the highest end of players, you dont have low ranked tournaments where people play more whacky choices or comps cuz the overall skill level is lower
which further just enforces the use of whatever is best
south zealot
also for people that want to play other specs
lot of insane gamers only play one thing
south zealot
isnt the pay for global finals pretty good
strong forum
the TLDR is
south zealot
so if youre one of the top 5 teams its worth
strong forum
MDI and TGP is only worth it
if you get 1st or 2nd
outside of that, its not
its not just "hurr play the tournament get money"
coarse star
They could hold the tournamet before the new raid release at the end of season. Just release new dungeons 2-3 weeks before. Make the dungeons drop no loot. So ambitious people will prepare for the event gearing up 2-3 toons of their choices
coarse star
just random idea
strong forum
They could hold the tournamet before the new raid release at the end of season. ...
at that point top end players are already preparing for next raid
south zealot
They could hold the tournamet before the new raid release at the end of season. ...
then you have 2-3 weeks of doing fucking nothing
coarse star
i means at the end of season, we usaully doing fucking nothing as always
south zealot
nothing fun i should say
strong forum
the last 2 - 3 weeks of season
is actually quite a race
for "alot" of people
cuz its the last push to make title cutoff
so people crank out alot of keys to quickly get into cutoff range
coarse star
alright thats fair. scratch that idea.
south zealot
i think your idea is a cool ides just too hard to find a good time
would be a fun watch imo
strong forum
the biggest downside of tournament play is just time investment
cuz its so very different from the normal game
you cant just say yeah ima practice this class for a few games and learn it
learning a new spec let alone class is some serious effort compared to mobas
where you can learn a character in a few games
if requiring any practice at all
cuz you learn it already by seeing what other people do
you dont have that in wow cuz its alot more than 6 abilities
south zealot
that name lol
opaque quest
If your char names arent funny what are you doing in wow 
opaque quest
I got holy pala as dispelerella and DK as necrofeelya. And Hunter is bowjob
tacit haven
there's no real difference in drop chance of forgestorm, for fury/prot loot spec right?
opaque quest
Count the items
Off the top of my head i know theres a shield for prot and a 2h for fury
tacit haven
yeah, I mean, it's either shield or 2hander,
opaque quest
na
tacit haven
thanks
daring marlin
this rice ramen owns
uncut thunder
What 447 should I craft next? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/hyjal/fedaaykin
latent jasper
what embellishment do we put on the craft 447 shield?
daring marlin
What 447 should I craft next? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/charact...
Legs would be better stat distribution.
You know, since zero haste on tier legs.
sick sentinel
What effort do i have to put in to get 6 vault coins
can i just run 7 +2's now that i run a 16take the myth if its good? no desire at all to play sanguine
daring marlin
do raid finder and kill 7 bosses
grim pilot
isn't raid finder full of wipes because people can't handle most basic mechanics?
I remember wasting a lot of time on that in s1
blazing condor
daring marlin
idk I was doing raid finder for mog on an alt pally and it was a breeze
lucid dew
Why is defensive stance change a buff?
Because now it’s never worth going d stance ha
And we can be dps gods?
urban portal
Why is defensive stance change a buff?
because instead of losing 10% damage going into it
you only lose 5% damage
its a 5% dps buff for bad players essenitally
lucid dew
Ohh I misread
It’s not damage reduction dealt to you
So you can sit d stance and do only 5% less damage
strong forum
It's like a 10k+ dps loss to sit in d-stance perma
Assuming you do 130k on average
Obv less in NL
crude notch
Nome, what do?
strong forum
focusing on not dying
crude notch
Based.
coarse star
Based again
lusty tiger
i sit on dn stance and it hurts ):
lusty tiger
: D
daring marlin
I sit D Stance so I can take the D.
👀
lusty grotto
dn
sick sentinel
apparently some hurricane gunna hit NWpennisula mexico/cali border
crude notch
Yerrrrr
lusty grotto
fuck hurricanes
crude notch
That seems like a bad idea
sick sentinel
san quintin area is gunna get hit what i saw
lusty grotto
dont worry yogi i dont know the specific name either
ive been to cancun but that's atlantic side
i think
crude notch
I keep it simple and say, aye the west coast getting their first hurricane in like 90 years
Meanwhile here we had a record low morning
crude notch
Only 55 so it's funny to me
lusty grotto
nice nice
crude notch
Was quite nice.
But then it's supposed to hit freaking 98 tomorrow so means fuck all.
I JUST WANT TO WEAR MY HOODIES.
mighty valley
i just bought a house in california and i gotta say, was not expecting to have to prep for a tropical storm
crude notch
i just bought a house in california and i gotta say, was not expecting to have t...
Stay safe cutie.
lusty grotto
ye
mighty valley
thanks! it might be overblown but LA sometimes kinda crumbles under even light rain
crude notch
Yeah it's definitely not setup to handle any level of rain.
It's like when people bash Texas for shutting down when it randomly gets hit with a winter storm.
lusty grotto
yeah that's just weird
but like they arent ready to face those temps without power so its not really one sided
crude notch
Yep. It's a weird thing I had to get used to when I moved here because almost everywhere I've lived has been used to multiple feet of snow every winter, but here we get like 6 inches one time and the whole town was shut down for 3 days because they just don't fund that stuff because it's pointless if it only happens once every 20 years.
lusty grotto
yeah
mighty valley
we’re not in a flood watch zone thankfully but we’re still planning for how water should flow etc
lusty grotto
cool
thats a relief
gotta be careful with flooded drains though
err
cluttered drains
mighty valley
Our yard has like no drains, it just all flows downhill out to the street
Which is also a slope
mighty valley
So I think we’re good??? But we’re clearing anything that could cause water to build up
lusty grotto
yeah
and any potential proyectiles while youre at it
but that depends on hurricane strength really
and also if its LA, winds might actually not be much of a problem? idk
im just saying things off my mind, because ive gone through quite a few of them 🙂
including a super cat 5
mighty valley
It’s helpful, thank you
Neither Scotland nor LA have prepped me for strong weather lmao
lusty grotto
well scotland has blizzards at least, right?
i could be wrong
i dont really know haha
oh yeah idk how the water situation goes, but you might wanna buy a good amount of bottled water
as in LA i mean
crude notch
Just step out in the rain 4head
lusty grotto
lol
mighty valley
yeah we're gonna fill up every big vessel we have with drinking water tonight
lusty grotto
yea good idea
mighty valley
and we have some big emergency camping jugs
mighty valley
well scotland has blizzards at least, right?
i lived in the lowlands where i had like one serious snowstorm in 20 years there
lusty grotto
oh
mighty valley
but that one was pretty bad, stuck in the house for a week with no power
lusty grotto
jesus
still, like jordan said, stay safe, and remember material things are replaceable
you seem to be prepared enough
crystal igloo
why does blizzard buff us like this, why do they want us to be always in dstance
mighty valley
thanks nim, also feeling lucky that we even have a home to be worried about
but we locked in home insurance just a month ago
suckers
mighty valley
why does blizzard buff us like this, why do they want us to be always in dstance
i don't mind it, might as well enjoy being penalized less for the times when it's smart to be in it for more than a gcd
lusty grotto
its a good buff
they dont really want us to be perma d-stanced
its just we get penalized less for any swaps to it
like harrow said
crystal igloo
I guess 5% is still some dmg
mighty valley
hmm, is the %DR on spell reflect buff for prot only
lusty grotto
kinda seems like it should be prot only
but we will have to see
i dont think SR has split actions per spec, so im assuming its for every spec
which will make arms and fury tankier, which is good
crude notch
something similar happened in Monk's notes, so we'll have to wait for spell data
mighty valley
yeah it's an identical talent rn, just the note is listed as "protection"
lusty grotto
right
mighty valley
neat little splash buff if it's universal
just quietly chugging along as one of the best defensives
lusty grotto
yeah dbts/ER and that plus IP (for arms), both specs are very tanky now
hardy snow
and they can also use d-stance for some big hits in raid
lusty grotto
thats true also
covert aurora
With new "nerfs" balance changes upcoming, I see prot getting more dps in def stance ... how much does this help us? I seem to spend more time in battle stance for dps than def stance .... is that a high keys balance thing ?
lusty grotto
for the most part yes
strong forum
It's just a thing to not make your hate your life as much when sitting in d-stance
lusty grotto
steep condor
There used to be a wa that told you when to spell reflect but the author quit wow and stopped updating in January I believe. Is there anything like that which is current?
steep condor
I don’t
daring marlin
Weird ass discord
lusty grotto
crude notch
nome loves the sun you weirdo
daring marlin
lusty grotto
crude notch
[It is time to learn](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_e...
Ghash, the first time you did that with your understanding block thing, i was like wtf that's so cool
APBBBBBBB
lusty grotto
crude notch
I SEE YOU TYPING
steep condor
[It is time to learn](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_e...
I looked at that but it’s hard enough to remember the basics of tanking - I need my bandaid
lusty grotto
APB COME BACK
crude notch
is this APB's new form of bait?
daring marlin
@toxic pewter love you
crude notch
where he continuously gets us with typing?
warm plinth
Tl;dr, reflect on CD whenever there's any magic happening. Just because it's on the sheet doesn't mean it's worth reflecting but why not get the DR 🤷
People just overthink spell reflect
chilly brook
I like the sun but I don’t like the sun when it’s like this
crude notch
i prefer APB baiting us with his actual words.
warm plinth
It's a 25% DR too which is incredibly strong on a 20 sec CD
steep condor
Tl;dr, reflect on CD whenever there's any magic happening. Just because it's on...
How do you know it’s magic though…
lusty grotto
i prefer APB baiting us with his actual words. <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
ye ye
nooo apb, please hit enter
😢
daring marlin
I like the sun but I don’t like the sun when it’s like this
idk man I like triple digit heat
Doesn't happen often here
Did a couple times last year. It was amazing.
crude notch
actual nutter
daring marlin
If I'm out enjoying the sun along with it? I don't like it INSIDE!
crude notch
actual nutter
lusty grotto
guilford baiting
chilly brook
idk man I like triple digit heat
I don’t think you understand
It was like 23 days of triple digit heat last month
crude notch
no he wants that
daring marlin
I mean it when I say I like it.
crude notch
that's what you don't understand
lusty grotto
chilly brook
Insert you think you do but you don’t
daring marlin
Great weather to ruck in too
crude notch
why do you struggle with him saying he likes it
daring marlin
idgaf
crude notch
Griff: I know you better than you
chilly brook
crude notch
griff taking over apb's job
daring marlin
Impossible
south zealot
idk man I like triple digit heat
dude what
torn gulch
lusty grotto
daring marlin
Why are the loudest ragers in League always the worst players?
big oof
"look at your build" fuck yeah bro I'm owning
lusty grotto
the problem with it, its contagious
so you piss off other people, and then they tilt too
crude notch
Yeah someone gets tilted and rage and it effects everyone
lusty grotto
yup
crude notch
Meanwhile you just payphoning it up in top lane as garen hoping you can get that two item spike before everyone booms. Then you singlehandedly carry one fight and everyone fine again.
daring marlin
I went straight lethality
I was a menace
lmaoooooooooo
love to see it
fuck 'em
crude notch
Nice last... minute save by legendary
lusty grotto
yeah
daring marlin
Having multiple ults in team fights was pretty hilarious.
lusty grotto
hope last minute sticks around, i like how they performed
crude notch
Plebs never ever respect the damage of garen it's funny
heavy valley
opnion, upgrade normal shield, or wait to get a heroic version and upgrade that
lusty grotto
neither
craft it
youre not gonna get a better shield than a crafted 447, unless you raid mythic echo
and shield is one of, if not the most important piece to get high ilvl on
heavy valley
Oooo, That is news to me! Thanks
crude notch
did you see the brackenhide tech?
lusty grotto
they mc something right? and it speeds up cds
so boss doesnt do 2 totems per phase
or im not exactly sure how its done
crude notch
you don't need to mc
crude notch
just pull two warscourges on boss let it put the buff on him, kill the mobs then you get 1 totem per phase after
crude notch
People are fussing but honestly this is truly a "clever use of game mechanics"
lusty grotto
blizz okayed it
crude notch
ye
lusty grotto
or so i heard like twice from tettles and meeix
crude notch
Blizz also okay'd Plaguebearers but that was a bug.
This isn't a bug
This is quite literally just 5head'ing
This is what I love about TGP v. MDI because you can get some silly stuff.
sullen trellis
hey guys question - are prot warriors good for mythic keys ? ? been thinking about trying tit
sullen trellis
ok thanks
crude notch
there are no bad tanks
👋
sullen ginkgo
best embelishment for prot warriors?
undone verge
can monks deal with durress on sark?
south zealot
can monks deal with durress on sark?
yes with diffuse
crude notch
yee
lusty grotto
best embelishment for prot warriors?
should be here #268491842637660160
undone verge
dope
hollow patio
Am I dumb or is it just not always possible to reflect every molten crash? It feels a little bit random from time to time
here for example
lusty grotto
thats certainly strange
hollow patio
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
south zealot
never seen that before
lusty grotto
thats not normal
but...
SR lasts for 5 secs
you would have it up until 18.46
so
you didnt have it up for it
so yes, its normal, you didnt reflect it
south zealot
oh
hollow patio
wdym? I am talking about that i couldn't have it ready for the third one. Earliest i could have done the first one is 18:19.091. So for the third one 18:59.091
south zealot
yeah thats normal i forgot sr is 20 second cd for tank
lusty grotto
thats normal
hollow patio
which is after the third molten crash
lusty grotto
you have to play with cooldowns
orchid mural
u can spell reflect all 3 of the first rotation. just gotta precast 🙂
south zealot
he did precast
hollow patio
most of the times it looks more like this
south zealot
the first was precasted maximum time and second was immediately on cd
the third crash was just really fast that time
hollow patio
yeah as i said even if I precastet exactly 5 seconds before the first one and did the second on CD I still couldn't reflect the third
lusty grotto
yeah just wall for third
and/or spell block if you run it
spell block alone is enough
hollow patio
Yeah I do. Just for safety if spell reflect is not ready. I was just wondering why it only works sometimes
lusty grotto
its rough for 3rd, can get server ticked
crude notch
Sometimes not even pre-casting can save you it's all about spell queue'ing
