cause everything is sync'ed so
#protection
lusty grotto
crude notch
Thanks fam
lusty grotto
well if you do sync runs that is
crude notch
Thanks cutie
torn gulch
Thanks fam
and it shows how garbage this season is and it just stemmed from the decision to introduce basically a new role in a mini patch instead of as an expansion feature as it was supposed to be introduced
lusty grotto
sometimes i feel im the only one that is happy auggies are in
daring marlin
Next season will be better, surely 
torn gulch
I am happy that aug is in but not in a x.x.5 and not by itself
lusty grotto
but its not THE issue
daring marlin
I don't dislike them. If I had a buddy that played one and I could just queue with them that'd be fine.
lusty grotto
mage rework, SP utility aligning with dmg and everything it negates
druid rework
pally rework
all of it landed on the same patch
daring marlin
Straight pugging has soured M+ for me. I don't have time to sit around for hours on end to make a good group.
crude notch
If they had released dungeon scaling nerf with God comp nerf we would've been fine.
daring marlin
Ergo I let my sub lapse and I'm doing other stuff.
daring marlin
If they had released dungeon scaling nerf with God comp nerf we would've been fi...
suggestion!
lusty grotto
all of it also landed on D4 release
crude notch
I'm still hoping for them changing the scaling per key to 8% from 10% either on next reset or 10.1.7 once TGP is over
Because that effectively adds 2 key levels to previous "max"
crude notch
The max is capped out now you weirdo
daring marlin
jeez
lusty grotto
i will tonight 
ok but explain it to me like im a sleep deprived crashing 5 y/o
pls jordan
crude notch
Basically 22s feel like 20s so on and so forth
lusty grotto
so keys would scale slower is what youre saying?
lusty grotto
do you want them to do that as a power gain instead of a dumb ring? just trying to figure out where youre coming from
crude notch
With DF they made it so everything past 10? Is 10% per level. What I'm proposing is 8% per level which is what it is before +10.
So yes it'd scale slower
lusty grotto
ok ok i see
crude notch
If they add a dumb ring this late into the PTR dear god
lusty grotto
lol
crude notch
Just make Annulet scale to 450 :).
(Don't do this)
lusty grotto
blizzard rn
daring marlin
lusty grotto
daring marlin
@modern brook
lusty grotto
i think i kinda get what youre saying
though i might be interpreting it on the premise that... keys seem to be requiring certain classes due to their scaling difficulty
crude notch
That part is to get people playing the game again.
lusty grotto
thats true
crude notch
As for the meta:
-
Increase CD on MD by 15 seconds for SPriest. Make anything with true sight immune to mind sooth
-
Nerf Mage another 10% in AoE.
-
Nerf Raze another 10%.
I know people want their 34 other specs buffed but be logical
lusty grotto
remove incorp mind control from priests, and leave it only for DKs (they should still be shackled)
thats the only thing i would add to that
everything looks good
and i agree
crude notch
No you don't have to do that stuff for 2 of 10 weeks.
lusty tiger
As for the meta:
- Increase CD on MD by 15 seconds for SPriest. Make anything w...
But do spriest get damage back?
crude notch
Yeah sure
lusty grotto
they should
lusty tiger
:shakabrah: all for it
mighty valley
the mind soothe is the gigabrain choice here
lusty tiger
It’s a hard nerf but kinda warranted
crude notch
Class utility on non-seasonal affixes never makes a meta.
lusty grotto
yeah its a needed change
daring marlin
@toxic pewter COME BACK
lusty grotto
hmm
lusty tiger
@toxic pewter we miss u brother!
crude notch
If a rogue or mage can't skip it with their AoE skips then no one should
lusty grotto
the reason i mention incorp is that while there are other classes that can solo it, they also gain the damage reduction
so its not only that they can double down it
it seems a tad bit strong for SPs, but yeah its a rotating affix
crude notch
Then make PWar unable to SR dargrul
crude notch
That I can get behind
lusty tiger
Or make ishout like 30 seconds on them
something
Scaring a ghost sounds funny thematically
lusty grotto
cinder storm
apb has become one of the main pillars that hold Skyhold together
we also lost a dog with a -season- hat
lusty grotto
i miss apb
sick sentinel
what if they had some event where orgimar or ironforge blew up so to speak
strong forum
https://tenor.com/view/piss-of-ghost-thor-ragnarok-korg-gif-11423629
best fucking scene
in the whole movie
sick sentinel
i think ppl would riot about org tho
thunderbluff maybe? cows already take alot of L's tho
cinder storm
they should, then have chromie come a few days later with some sidequest where she fixes things nagging about those pesky black time dragons
cinder storm
make things float as if they were stuck in a time paradox or some quantum stuff
lusty grotto
looks like you werent the only tank
that kitty was sure tanking the floor real good
sick sentinel
64 million sanguine
daring marlin
You guys ever hear of that doctor thst did a twinkie diet?
no I'm not making it up
lusty tiger
How did that go
lusty tiger
But what about qol
lusty tiger
We are lucky to live in the contemporary period of the yogi123
daring marlin
Not advocating for it. Just interesting.
urban portal
counting calories is op
daring marlin
he just counted calories
Correct. Hence me saying deficit. lmao
daring marlin
skinny bitch
strong forum
counting calories is op
lusty tiger
LMFAO
lusty tiger
Not especially… they’re weak
daring marlin
hah
lusty tiger
I don’t do much abs
daring marlin
I do cuz I was a fat guy for a long while.
sick sentinel
still got my buffs from last run
chilly brook
I don’t do much abs
technically you don't need to do "abs" to have visible abs
lusty tiger
My calves are zzz
chilly brook
it's more of a body fat % equation
lusty tiger
I have em they just don’t pop
jagged gust
Abs are like, possibly the most important muscle to have developed
well core in general
daring marlin
Partially true. My buddy has a good body fat % he just has no abs built up so he's flat.
It's hilarious frankly
chilly brook
well core in general
core is 110% the building block of everything
weak core is just bad news bear no matter if you wanna be super fit or not
jagged gust
You cant really 'have' abs until you're at like 8% bf
chilly brook
nah
jagged gust
unless you got that hgh gut lol
strong forum
having good core str is also just healthy, means less back issues 
lusty tiger
The joe rogan abs
chilly brook
you can def be like 10-15% and still have visible abs
not everyone is built the same
daring marlin
you can def be like 10-15% and still have visible abs
<<<<
jagged gust
Alright well I definitely cant have abs until 8% bf lmao
daring marlin
I have good muscle inserts for abs imo
lusty tiger
Also right now I’m attempting to bulk
strong forum
look at eddie hall, dude is defo not 10-15% bodyfat but still has visible abs
not at his peak*
daring marlin
look at eddie hall, dude is defo not 10-15% bodyfat but still has visible abs
FACTS
strong forum
currently
sick sentinel
here goes again, 16 fh, don't need no loot, maybe can use the aspect on alt later
strong forum
hes chill
chilly brook
most body builders don't sit at sub 10% and they have visible abs and no I'm not talking about the sauzzle bois
sub 10% just really isn't good for you
jagged gust
aaaabbbbsss of steeel
strong forum
thats his peak, like i said, not at that point
jagged gust
just playing though, I would love to be built like that
shut summit
Protection
Defensive Stance’s reduction to damage dealt reduced to 5% (was 10%).
Spell Reflection’s damage reduction increased to 25% (was 20%).
Vanguard’s increase to stamina increased to 35% (was 30%).
jagged gust
Maybe not to that point, but the barrel chest is sexy asf
strong forum
```
Protection
Defensive Stance’s reduction to damage dealt reduced ...
we take those
jagged gust
look like the kind of person who rips trees out of the ground and uses them as a club
south zealot
ngl sense i thought that was a meme
i double checked to see if a blue post happened
jagged gust
holy cant catch a break lmao
strong forum
well
jagged gust
i mean
chilly brook
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/eddie-hall-11095.jpg...
honestly I'd be happy with a Will Tennyson build
daring marlin
MORE
strong forum
chrome falcon
oh man guys i'm not gonna lie
if it's only like 7%
i might just afk in def stance until the day i die
daring marlin
honestly I'd be happy with a Will Tennyson build
He looks good.
chrome falcon
i might be a big coward
chilly brook
I really need to get into fitness again and lose weight man
jagged gust
I'm not gonna feel so bad for not realizing I sat in d stance for the past 20 minutes of a key anymore
strong forum
7% is like 10k dps in m+
chilly brook
looking at my shoulders and chest I'm legit wasting potential
strong forum
thats still a considerable amount
strong forum
nobody with a brain is gonna be mad over those nerfs
proper roost
i wonder if the spell reflect stuff will work for fury/arms or prot only
daring marlin
Biggest gains I've had recently have def been lats and shoulders in general.
strong forum
the larger issue they wont tackle is that the max keys are only getting harder and harder to be re-timed
without compensation making it still the exodia comp
daring marlin
we gettin' yuge
chilly brook
like if I lost weight my shoulder to waist ratio would be real good
strong forum
if they want people to play other classes, they need to keep exodia in line but also nerf keys accordingly
so others get a chance to also play the game at that level
south zealot
kinda weird they made prot tankier but brew was untouched
proper roost
speedrunning!!
south zealot
but fuck it we ball
proper roost
kinda weird they made prot tankier but brew was untouched
monk devs 💀
chilly brook
kinda weird they made prot tankier but brew was untouched
brew not gonna get buffed until they fix their damage
jagged gust
the bg3 sex% run is down to 4 minutes
I don't want to have sex with shadowheart, I wanna make looooove
jagged gust
But I'm gonna guess it's with Laezel, that lady basically looked at me and was like, we gunsta fuuuck
jagged gust
oh god yeah, he basically sticks his fangs in you the second night
proper roost
south zealot
brew not gonna get buffed until they fix their damage
their damage isnt even that good though since the nerf right?
proper roost
mild act 1 spoilers
chilly brook
their damage isnt even that good though since the nerf right?
still good
south zealot
i thought it was like 5%
sick sentinel
Prot buffs
south zealot
isnt crane kick and black out kick like 40% of their damage now
chilly brook
if they buff monk say goodbye to bear lol
south zealot
i havent played brew at all this season so i may be 
proper roost
if they buff monk say goodbye to bear lol
motw
chilly brook
how much does motw bring
simple drum
RIP D-stance
strong forum
its not even 25%
strong forum
RIP D-stance
they buffed it, not nerf it
youll still barely sit in d-stance
wont change a thing except you only lose like 7% dmg instead of 13-14 for its short usage
karmic plinth
i could see bear holding on still just because of the combo of after the wildfire + dream of cenarius + combat res
simple drum
they buffed it, not nerf it
Read that blue post VERY wrong lol
karmic plinth
could delete ursocs fury and it woukd still be fine
strong forum
it would make a dent
south zealot
Read that blue post VERY wrong lol
dont worry ur not the only one, someone in my guild thought hpally got buffed
strong forum
but bear literally didnt play UFR before 10.1.5 iirc
and bear was already capable of doing 30s
south zealot
https://i.imgur.com/OfPa8zF.png
o yes i was very wrong
karmic plinth
but bear literally didnt play UFR before 10.1.5 iirc
it sucked to path to
turbid hemlock
strong forum
no its just moonfire bear
karmic plinth
its still an option now even
proper roost
they did wym
strong forum
well its always an option, but its just worse rn
proper roost
oh ok
daring marlin
🙂
proper roost
i wish ud hit me again
daring marlin
oh baby
proper roost
huhwha
strong forum
mage will still pull like 380k overalls
south zealot
ok britney spears
karmic plinth
does being more damage than the thrash side does but its harder to minmax and ur squishier
daring marlin
mage will still pull like 380k overalls
Hence me saying again!
strong forum
like
all these mage nerfs did
was nerf mage from the 450k? (pre all nerfs details dps)
to 380k (details dps)
they lost like 20% dmg and are still ahead of alot of classes
south zealot
take away another 20%
daring marlin
Mundo file
strong forum
"ohno we got nerfed by 8%"
OHNO
okay that log might be pre- all nerfs
thats from this week
FH 28
lavish sphinx
Where did the nerf to Def Stance come from? Prot Warr did nothing wrong lol
vestal moat
Maybe just be lazy and we stay in d stance now lol 5% doesnt seem like much of a penalty
strong forum
its defo better, cuz losing shitton of dmg in d-stance was just awful
but you still wont just sit in it
lavish sphinx
7% relative to battle stance right?
wooden radish
Why did they nerf d-Stance 😡
strong forum
strange lintel
isnt this a buff
wooden radish
10% to 5% is a nerf. The number is now lower!!!!
vestal moat
someone make a pin already
strong forum
someone make a pin already
i was considering it
verbal hill
How do you pull 3 seperate packs? What do you cast on each?
strong forum
but i would also lose more hope in humanity
charge -> TC pack 1 -> leap -> revenge/tc pack 2 -> heroic throw on 3rd pack maybe walk in range to TC/revenge -> charge back to pack 1 if far away and drop ravager once mobs are close enough
lusty grotto
ye
thank god they didnt touch SP again, i was about to flip
but again they didnt touch utility
so eh
lusty grotto
strong forum
its right there
but blizz refuses to do it
nobody likes it
but selfish non-priest players
this 1 simple trick opens up potential class choices alot more
vestal moat
So this stamina buff will also increase the max size of IP right. thats good
strong forum
and also buffs indomitable healing
vestal moat
oh yeah i like the synergy
urban bane
strong forum
its fine for priests only
doesnt hurt anybody
but as external buff its just...
25% haste for 20sec on a 2min CD
those numbers are just
WAY TOO BIG
daring marlin
or make the external healer only
strong forum
so... shadowlands?
strong forum
yeah
in raid
spriest was forced to take play double PI leggo
instead of the leggo that made them do more dmg
cuz 2 PI > 1 PI
south zealot
stam sockets bis?!?
HOLY MOLY
latent pier
south zealot
they arent
strong forum
Class Tuning for August 22nd
-
Defensive Stance’s reduction to damage dealt reduced to 5% (was 10%).
This is a buff. -
Spell Reflection’s damage reduction increased to 25% (was 20%).
-
Vanguard’s increase to stamina increased to 35% (was 30%).
kind glen
fickle ingot
Why did they nerf defensive stance?
lavish sphinx
Hahahahaha
south zealot
lol
lavish sphinx
Can some explain Vanguard? It’s a passive aura but what is it procc’d by?
south zealot
its just your passive tank spec buff
lavish sphinx
Right
sick sentinel
ya
dark leaf
It’s active at all times
round cliff
15% damage reduction for 5% less damage done?
blizz isnt doing a very good job of convincing me to just defensive stance always
modern gazelle
how many trinkets does it take to break final bos on nelth shield?
lavish sphinx
You trade off convenience for ~8% less dmg
modern gazelle
cause for 2 weeks now my groups seem to not know what a damn trinket is
lieterally if im not casting 4 trinkets we arent breaking shield
modern gazelle
well apparently literally no one is doing it then
lavish sphinx
That happens a lot
modern gazelle
lmao looking at logs my healer literally didnt pick a single one up
then alt f4'd
south zealot
It’s free DR
its not free, you lose a lot of damage
modern gazelle
after 2 wipes
lavish sphinx
Before I forget to mention it - Beatles stance tanking = faster keys
fickle ingot
its not free, you lose a lot of damage
Tank dam doesn’t matter
modern gazelle
Tank dam doesn’t matter
xD
south zealot
can you link your logs for me
strong forum
Tank dam doesn’t matter
fickle ingot
can you link your logs for me
Is that in my adventure journal? Idk how to copy and paste that
south zealot
ok just boring meme
south zealot
you did
fickle ingot
Ya it was a lil too extra
south zealot
Is that in my adventure journal? Idk how to copy and paste that
this is too noobie of a question to also say tank damage doesnt matter
strong forum
all i did was bonk
fickle ingot
Bonk
fickle ingot
this is too noobie of a question to also say tank damage doesnt matter
Damn :/
south zealot
bonk me uwu
strong forum
ive removed the FAQ pin, itll be updated in the actual FAQ
too much clutter in pins
lavish sphinx
What other buffs does Prot Warr need to be meta competitive?
plush tendon
They really trying to make defensive stance a thing
south zealot
needs to do the most damage
sullen valve
Meta competitive is such a scam of an idea
south zealot
including the damage given by 3% vers from druid
plush tendon
sullen valve
You just need to be good while nobody is great
strong forum
to make pwar meta, you need spriest and mage to be nerfed and rogue and another melee dps buffed
plush tendon
I want WW to come back
strong forum
smh
plush tendon
My 5% phys damage ❤️
south zealot
are you talking m+? Thats a minigame
holy moly
sullen valve
Raid is also a minigame
lavish sphinx
Battle pets is where it’s at
sullen valve
WoW is a game of minigames
strong forum
tmog is the endgame
sullen valve
BATTLE PETS ARE THE REAL GAME
strong forum
wish dot com pokemon
sullen valve
I think making simplified version of other things can be valuable
ionic roost
Silence Ruck
sullen valve
Don't you have fields to harvest?
ionic roost
It's August
strong forum
I think making simplified version of other things can be valuable
wow summed up in 1 sentence
sullen valve
Can make it more appealing for people to play
sullen valve
I think making simplified version of other things can be valuable
blizzard games as a whole
sullen valve
Exists is very strong word for starcraft
strong forum
has existed
modern gazelle
Warrior buffs?!! Lit
plush tendon
So like… what’s the reasoning behind the d stance thing. Is that for like top keys you can just sit in d stance?
waxen orbit
Def stance is back on the menu boys(?)
strong forum
cuz we got a few friendly people fighting our war on dumbass design
strong forum
Def stance is back on the menu boys(?)
its still a 10k+ dps loss in m+ to permanently sit in it
sullen valve
OMG
TANKS SHOULD TANK
strong forum
youll use it just as you used it before
sullen valve
STOP CARING ABOUT DPS
strong forum
sparingly in mega pressure situations or as short CD
waxen orbit
sparingly in mega pressure situations or as short CD
Agreed
strong forum
dont listen to abe
waxen orbit
Sounds about right
sullen valve
If I'm casual, I worry what y'all are
plush tendon
Uber casuals
waxen orbit
I'm casual now
kekw
Earned my mettle last expac
Not doing that to myself again
It's D4, lifting, and raidlogging now
sullen valve
Imagine not continually pushing yourself to new heights
strong forum
Imagine not continually pushing yourself to new heights
i still break r1 logs out whenever i do m+
thats my height
sullen valve
you're 1m tall
waxen orbit
I'm 5'8
sullen valve
? what is 5'8? I only use good units
waxen orbit
Play dwarf IRL and in-game
strong forum
5'8 is ...
waxen orbit
172 cm
sullen valve
SHORT
waxen orbit
Ye
sullen valve
Do you feet dangle when you sit in your chair to play wow
strong forum
people are way too conscious about height
idk why that has become a thing over the past 5 years
waxen orbit
Do you feet dangle when you sit in your chair to play wow
Yeah I actually had a kid's stool underneath my desk for the bit when I used to stream
south zealot
i get r1s too bc they are keys too low for noner
waxen orbit
Hold up let me find the pic
south zealot
nomer
daring marlin
remember lads
south zealot
daring marlin
Tom Cruise is 5'7
sullen valve
Remember lads
daring marlin
and more successful than any of us will ever be
strong forum
wanna know why alot of stars are short?
daring marlin
womp womp
sullen valve
I'm also 5'8/5'9 :kekw
strong forum
cuz its easier to film
waxen orbit
sullen valve
Tom Cruise isn't more successful than me
waxen orbit
Back in December
strong forum
chad af footrest
south zealot
yeah tall ppl suck to film with
waxen orbit
You gotta lean into the bit
sullen valve
My view of success is impact on wow community
strong forum
thats really hard to rate
lavish sphinx
sullen valve
All I know is tom hasn't done shit for us
daring marlin
All I know is tom hasn't done shit for us
median tulip
I'm 6'4" - getting clothes that fit well is a pain. Manufacturers seem to think people stop at 6'2"
lavish sphinx
Dratnos saying just sit in D Stance lol
daring marlin
I'm 6'4" - getting clothes that fit well is a pain. Manufacturers seem to think ...
You're also statistically gonna die sooner than someone shorter than you.
sullen valve
I've done a ton
daring marlin
...how unfortunate
south zealot
I'm 6'4" - getting clothes that fit well is a pain. Manufacturers seem to think ...
so hard to find shirts that are long enough
that arent triple xl
sullen valve
You could argue
I'm the shoulders people stand on
waxen orbit
6'4 is def cheat code but prepare for 2 years in the gym to put on noticeable muscle despite being stronger than 70% of the people in there
strong forum
i already struggle with that and im only 6'1
daring marlin
6'4 is def cheat code but prepare for 2 years in the gym to put on noticeable mu...
gotta fill out more lad
but can you squat four plates?
or bench 3?
sullen valve
people are way too conscious about height
But also I blame the dating apps and the internet for this
daring marlin
if not cram it nerd
strong forum
i would have the perfect body if i was just 10cm shorter
waxen orbit
Nono dude I'm 5'8, I stand in the gym for 30 minutes and I just absorb the radiating testosterone and suddenly bench 245
median tulip
When I was growing up there was a phase where my leg bones were growing faster than my leg muscles could keep up with
daring marlin
choco "son of fat" two
waxen orbit
But also I blame the dating apps and the internet for this
That and TikTok
Shit's sad
median tulip
That was kinda painful
south zealot
holy moly
strong forum
But also I blame the dating apps and the internet for this
pretty sure its just an internet hoax
daring marlin
sullen valve
Just be short
strong forum
ive never heard of anybody IRL being rejected cuz of height
strong forum
maybe its an US thing
south zealot
maybe its an US thing
yes
uneven mason
so hard to find shirts that are long enough
I feel you, 6'3 and 52 in the shoulders but only a L at the waist so I look like I'm swimming in any uniform unless I dump cash into a tailor
waxen orbit
ive never heard of anybody IRL being rejected cuz of height
There's a sizable portion of very young men and women who do care about that, but people gotta remember that those people are mad insecure themselves and fueled by vanity and if you give them like 4-5 years to mature, they're going to grow out of it
strong forum
I feel you, 6'3 and 52 in the shoulders but only a L at the waist so I look like...
one piece looking ass
sullen valve
She dead ass said you're really nice and caring but I can't see myself with anyone shorter than 6ft
waxen orbit
It's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be tho
daring marlin
She dead ass said `you're really nice and caring but I can't see myself with any...
LMAO
fuck that hoe
waxen orbit
She dead ass said `you're really nice and caring but I can't see myself with any...
Nah see like there are people like this, just gotta remember they're fueled by vanity and insecurity
strong forum
She dead ass said `you're really nice and caring but I can't see myself with any...
that sounds so fucking american
waxen orbit
It is
daring marlin
she belongs to the streets
waxen orbit
Americans are like
SUPER fueled by vanity
Because of social media and beauty companies pretty much controlling social media in the country
and advertising
sullen valve
Nah see like there are people like this, just gotta remember they're fueled by v...
On god tho
Better off without them
strong forum
be like me, get rejected for REAL reasons, not for vanity height bogus
uneven mason
one piece looking ass
Got some Marching ass going, 38 belt but a 48 glute
strong forum
sullen valve
I don't even talk to them anymroe :kekw
strong forum
Got some Marching ass going, 38 belt but a 48 glute
if i knew my measurements i could say the same prolly
waxen orbit
On god tho
Better off without them
Telling you, you are. May only be 20 but dated my share of people like that. If it isn't height, it'll be something else. But the connection will never be real because they just aren't in the mental headspace to be emotionally open for something serious like that. Keep your head up king
uneven mason
if i knew my measurements i could say the same prolly
Be best man at a wedding, gotta get measured for them tuxes
waxen orbit
strong forum
Be best man at a wedding, gotta get measured for them tuxes
i have a tailored suit, but forgot the measurements
i remember a 52
but dunno where
waxen orbit
Watch The Pharmacist
strong forum
prolly shoulders
sullen valve
52 = dick size
waxen orbit
That shit go hard asf
uneven mason
but dunno where
Your mohawk
waxen orbit
Holup we got the Nomehawk era?
strong forum
tailor said i have very broad shoulders for my slim body type, but idk if thats cap or not
uneven mason
tailor said i have very broad shoulders for my slim body type, but idk if thats ...
Sounds like, same deal for me
sullen valve
It would be like saying Mwahi has very smooth head for a bald person
waxen orbit
tailor said i have very broad shoulders for my slim body type, but idk if thats ...
Possibly. It's more common for dudes at this height
Less diameter so the shoulders spread like Miguel O'hara
modern gazelle
What’s our thoughts on warrior buffs?
strong forum
they sure are buffs
waxen orbit
Imo good, but likely not enough to actually make a difference
Not until they get their heads out of their asses and fix Ignore Pain
uneven mason
waxen orbit
That's the core issue imo
strong forum
doesnt make a difference yeah, nice to haves
waxen orbit
Sort of been the problem since SL
strong forum
im fully expecting to have a broken ass tierset next patch
waxen orbit
Banner and the subsequent buff to IP made us legit good asf
strong forum
and then get some nerfs along those lines what we got as buffs this patch
fucking bet
median tulip
Banner and the subsequent buff to IP made us legit good asf
HashtagBringBackBanner
hardy snow
I guess our current 2p will be nerfed, so we are forced to drop it for new 4p
modern gazelle
feelsbad about title this season though
like how is anyone supposed to match title level if you didnt abuse god comp for the 2 weeks
sullen valve
If you want title go play the meta class
thick summit
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensive stance, i just feel like in +17 and above im always getting my ass kicked without it, but if i use it, it lowers the dps so kinda slows down the key, what is the proper way to use it
waxen orbit
My first act as president will be to mandate Blizzard add back in Banner or they face a $231,340 fine for the psychological pain and suffering of warriors suffering from Banner withdrawal
uneven mason
Who's looking forward to Nighthold being a tw raid and chasing 
modern gazelle
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensiv...
post logs, what is your shield block uptime?
charred gyro
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensiv...
If you die you die
waxen orbit
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensiv...
SB uptime, CPM?
SW usage?
Whole lot of factors at play
strong forum
when you and your group are playing well, D-stance is nowhere near required even in 26+
modern gazelle
SW usage is helping me a lot in the 20+ keys ive been doing too, i basically spam it on CD now lol, shits up so fast honestly
uneven mason
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensiv...
Got logs?
south zealot
im fully expecting to have a broken ass tierset next patch
you mean like codex right
hardy snow
any big boi prot guis here, im kinda noob and need advice on how to use defensiv...
treat it as your defensive CD, use for some bigger tank busters etc. and swap back to b.stance after hit
south zealot
thick summit
i dont really log stuff but maybe there is something here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/75901434?zone=34
south zealot
need rdm again
strong forum
TLDR is yeah, use it as an additional defensive CD for big tank busters, dont default to it, use it when shit hits the fan, its the closest thing to an "oh shit" button we have
south zealot
that was a good passive trinket
strong forum
shush
south zealot
uneven mason
thick summit
What was your most recent key <@124921100315394059>
16 hoi i think
strong forum
there you can already see a large discrepancy in whats happening
uneven mason
What did you screen cap that on nom a ti-85?
waxen orbit
Can't see that log but Nome confirms a big problem there
CPM
Need to get that up drastically
uneven mason
Pixilated as shit
waxen orbit
For everything
hardy snow
What did you screen cap that on nom a ti-85?
whats wrong about this screenshot?
strong forum
sounds like a you issue ikari
thick summit
For everything
so just mash buttons nonstop or what D:
uneven mason
Wasn't loading properly, NM
strong forum
its not just "mashing" buttons
sick sentinel
so, people in 424 gears can kill group?
strong forum
theres a logic to it
waxen orbit
Obvi be selective about what you press
sick sentinel
we had less sanguine healing this time, not alot less
strong forum
SS > TC > revenge
treat revenge as your SS reset button
dont overcap rage, press Ignore Pain at 60-80 rage for the sole purpose of dumping rage
waxen orbit
TC prio in 5+ targets, rev as filler AOE/ST while other shit is on CD and to dump rage if you're not gonna overcap (if you're gonna overcap, use IP), SS in under 5 targets, SS off CD no matter what still though.
strong forum
dont sit on buttons, press buttons
waxen orbit
SR off CD unless a pack has ST casts or tankbusters
waxen orbit
SS > TC > revenge
treat revenge as your SS reset button
dont overcap rage, press...
This p much
strong forum
your opener is also wrong
strong forum
thats just the casts tab
lavish sphinx
What problems do they need to fix with IP?
strong forum
on your first pull in your underrot, you didnt use ravager for a solid 34 seconds
thick summit
wat, i usually use it asap D:
modern gazelle
What problems do they need to fix with IP?
IP is better than people give credit for, but when you cant gen rage it kind of hurts us bad
strong forum
thats what you think youre doing
but what we think what we're doing but what we're actually doing are very often 2 different things
thats why logs are so important
for example, you instantly open with shield charge
when shield charge should be your 5th button
not your first
lavish sphinx
So it’s really the rage cost that’s the problem?
uneven mason
on your first pull in your underrot, you didnt use ravager for a solid 34 second...
Broken the cardinal rule
thick summit
why is it bad to use 1st?
lavish sphinx
I definitely feel it mitigating flame claws on Sark
strong forum
you lose dmg
this is your opener
you send SC first, then thunderclap th en Shield block etc
south zealot
What problems do they need to fix with IP?
i dont really think theres a problem with it
south zealot
why is it bad to use 1st?
want to use charge to engage, demo roar, and other damage amplifying effects because shield charge does a lot of damage
strong forum
when gathering mobs on underrot first pull
uneven mason
thick summit
want to use charge to engage, demo roar, and other damage amplifying effects bec...
got it
waxen orbit
@thick summit Here, I have two custom WA's, the first part which @cinder nova created the base for. It helps track all of your CDs with audio and visual cues. It'll remind you on everything in your toolkit without being intrusive. Give it a shot.
Pt. 1 of it
Pt. 2
It'll help enforce what they are explaining
thick summit
<@124921100315394059> Here, I have two custom WA's, the first part which <@14572...
i already have SB/IP WA's, is this different?
strong forum
the general order of spells on the opener is
Ravager -> Avatar + charge -> TC(for threat) - > demo shout -> thunderous roar-> shield charge in m+ for damage
waxen orbit
i already have SB/IP WA's, is this different?
Yeah, tracks outburst, stacks of outburst, major CDs, empowerments, ravager, etc.
thick summit
the general order of spells on the opener is
Ravager -> Avatar + charge -> TC(fo...
ok ty
daring marlin
chedmech owns
strong forum
how to generate threat and a few tips
charred gyro
Make thunderclap apply rend to everything 🙂
thick summit
also about talents, which one is better, Fueled by Violence or Brutal Vitality? One heals other adds shield to IP
strong forum
brv is generally recommended
but doesnt really make a difference which one you pick
waxen orbit
?? it only goes on 5 targets??
Wait-
strong forum
both are marginal
waxen orbit
Oh
daring marlin
read the talent bro
thick summit
k got it
charred gyro
I support the notion
We all drunk from rio infusion dw
strong forum
its funny how this pwar section of the guide basically turned into a pwar crash course
waxen orbit
its funny how this pwar section of the guide basically turned into a pwar crash ...
Because pwar is basically
south zealot
is it a cooked take to say brv is better the more leech you have
waxen orbit
"What are all the things I can do wrong super easily"
south zealot
and the deep wounds healing is better the less leech you have
strong forum
kinda
strong forum
"What are all the things I can do wrong super easily"
yes
and yet
alot of people still do it wrong
waxen orbit
It's easy to get wrong I'll admit
That's not me saying
It's ahrd
But compared to the other tanks where most of them sort of like
Rectify your mistakes automatically
strong forum
thats why pwar is so unpopular
strong forum
theres no recovery from a mistake
waxen orbit
Ever since vanilla
lusty tiger
ackshually its only a 162k dps run
hah how come?
strong forum
augvoker
waxen orbit
Aug voke
daring marlin
augvoker
waxen orbit
Low key high DPS sorta
south zealot
my 168k dps run was natty
waxen orbit
Gimp
lusty tiger
send log my buddy needs to be reborn
waxen orbit
Respectfully
south zealot
(but also a low key where i was top dps)
charred gyro
Nextback is that you
south zealot
ive tried to watch recently but has been on bear everytime ive opened stream
strong forum
nextback does alright dam ye
charred gyro
Dmg doesnt matter when you cant regrowth your team mate rn 🙂
south zealot
strong forum
Dmg doesnt matter when you cant regrowth your team mate rn 🙂
hardly anyone actually plays that these days
or ATW even
only good in a few keys on very specific bosses
with how broken the defensive capabilities are of the exodia, you barely have to heal
charred gyro
If you are pugging it can decide keys
strong forum
well pugging is a diff story
waxen orbit
Idk if can really say like, pugging isn't the M+ norm
strong forum
it is, but the higher you go the less required comms become, arty pugged his way into 28s without comms
only around 29 and 30s he started using comms once he was playing with a more stable group
hardy snow
https://youtu.be/9TzMDph2SJU?t=767
which toy transforms you in such elemental?
strong forum
dunno
charred gyro
@strong forum do you reliably get most/all spellreflects on 2nd boss nl?
thick summit
<@192743144276623360> do you reliably get most/all spellreflects on 2nd boss nl?
2nd that question, how tf u reflect 0.5s cast time spell
strong forum
timers and spellqueuing
gotta be ready for it
but ive not done that key in almost 3 months
so i cant say the actual rate of how many SRs i get
but sense reflects most of em
this was from his 28NL
modern gazelle
first boss HOI, do dps drop pools on boss or on edge of room?
like what benefit is there to dropping both directly on boss rather than just putting it on edge
strong forum
hpal can heal
if you drop on boss
while you run away stacked
that would be my guess
modern gazelle
just seems like more effort than its worth in a pug
modern gazelle
had a dps drop on boss and say thats the way to do it, but then again they are rag so...
thick summit
also anyone getting their ass kicked on deios, last boss of mega dungeon? or im noob
chunks hard
strong forum
that boss is anti-pwar
has to be changed to be doable for pwar in m+
the dot isnt blockable and the adds arent interruptable
thick summit
like i saw bears just chillin saying its easy
modern gazelle
also anyone getting their ass kicked on deios, last boss of mega dungeon? or im ...
use spell block and double shield wall
thick summit
when im sweating like idk
modern gazelle
i was able to tank the last 10% of its health without a healer when i ran it this week
me and one DH finished him
strong forum
bear is also only not sweating as long as they have CDs
thick summit
use spell block and double shield wall
i do, still hard
strong forum
double SW wont be good for actual keys on that boss
modern gazelle
i do, still hard
are you swapping to defensive stance?
thick summit
are you swapping to defensive stance?
yea
modern gazelle
whats your ilvl
thick summit
440
strong forum
also how good are your dps xd
modern gazelle
hmm, i just use SW, then i do Reflect+SB, repeat
thick summit
yeah i think SB blocks initial hit but not the dot
strong forum
correct
modern gazelle
it definitely sucks but you can live it, like if i can live with no heals for 10% of the boss health in final phase its doable
wasnt even losing much health really tbh
charred gyro
Final phase without adds? 🤔
modern gazelle
Final phase without adds? 🤔
i mean if you are dying during first 2 phases with healer up you just arnet playing your defensives right is what im saying
if its possible to survive without a healer during final phase for 10% of his health which is like 17mil dmg then you can easily live witha healer up
you also dont need to tank the adds, let someone else tank them
like if you are comfortable sure but they wont kill someone if its only one add on them
sick sentinel
75% of players don't do dragon racing
strong forum
well its hard to notice
when they only way to notice is acidentally checking calendar
and then wondering where the fuck the NPC for it is
and googling it
cuz i sure as shit didnt know where to find the NPC
modern gazelle
lmao never heard of it
i dont even do the daily gold ones though tbf
too much effort
maiden ravine
I'm only doing it cause transmog set
strong forum
i only did it for the trading post points
sick sentinel
Once u told me it's on the map gg
Make them do the expand/retract glow animation around them
red otter
Will it finally be worth it in a majority of key levels to stick with defensive stance in most cases?
sick sentinel
They ate easy to find but you really have to look and know what you are looking for as is
charred gyro
Will it finally be worth it in a majority of key levels to stick with defensive ...
If you dont die why you go defensive stance?
modern gazelle
Will it finally be worth it in a majority of key levels to stick with defensive ...
if you can sit in bstance why sit in d stance?
maybe in high high keys yes
but not in anything less than 25's i would wager
red otter
If you dont die why you go defensive stance?
Its easier
modern gazelle
but how often do you feel d stance would make it easier?
health rarely even goes down much in most cases
charred gyro
Its easier
Sure just remove battle stance from your bar then noone stops you?
strong forum
Will it finally be worth it in a majority of key levels to stick with defensive ...
no
"hey this isnt hurting, lets make it not hurt even less but i do 10k+ dps less"
doesnt sound really appealing
charred gyro
I remember last tier sitting in acadamy keys for 80% of the time in d stance but now thats basically only in lair/uldaman first pull the case
red otter
I suppose but I've just never been a fan of stance swapping.
strong forum
you dont have to
charred gyro
You can make a macro that its only 1 button
strong forum
its the only skill expression we have left
sick sentinel
I still believe 3% crit should be fury stance bonus
sick sentinel
And then ???? For battle
strong forum
i dont stance swap for almost anything cuz theres no reason to
only when shit hits the fan
or if i say "nah i dont wanna take this tankbuster kinda naked"
modern gazelle
when i swap to def stance im usually so fucked regardless of what i do
like i only use it on fort weeks for the hulks in nl most of the time
charred gyro
i dont stance swap for almost anything cuz theres no reason to
glares at cauterizing flame not being used
south zealot
Will it finally be worth it in a majority of key levels to stick with defensive ...
no
strong forum
laughs in dwarf
maiden ravine
Blizzard just doesn't realize any tank wants to give up dps just to be slightly tankier
This isn't PvP on an arms warrior
sick sentinel
Defensive stance should be no damage reduce outgoing and then healing taken more with whatever % drin we got/get
strong forum
theres such a thing as overkill tanky
"i survived this but i can survive even harder"
doesnt really make sense
maiden ravine
I'll die on the hill that stances got removed for a reason m
maiden ravine
Thank the light they didn't give DKs presences back
strong forum
we got the least bad version of stances
if you got stances back with limited spells, youd just macro it
and essentially remove stances again
which is exactly what happened
maiden ravine
I mean dstance has a solid role for dps specs, but having a dps stance is useless
maiden ravine
It was for a long time
Or rather defensive toggle
It had a hefty cd in pvp I think
thick summit
i heard prot war was op in s1, what exactly made it op? what did they nerf so its at the bottom now?
maiden ravine
They nerfed all tanks and then it turned out tank survival was fairly low priority season 1 and then buff other tanks no?
charred gyro
i heard prot war was op in s1, what exactly made it op? what did they nerf so it...
You always have a different meta at the start of tier than at the end - this season its been dh into guardian, last tier was prot warr into prot pala
south zealot
idk i also think prot was never really op in s1 it just was the best with shitty gear
sick sentinel
It's really simple what I want, you play fury you got fury stance you can take and it's generally the best stance to go
strong forum
pwar was overhyped in s1
prot pally was better after its bugs got fixed
but people were fixated super hard on pwar
and it took 2 r1 tanks to come up for people to realise pally offered more
maiden ravine
Pwar was kinda nuts in beta soloing keys and all no?
strong forum
no
well kinda
but its fucking beta
we got nerfed 7 times in beta
has no meaning for the real game
maiden ravine
A lot of people did decide to swap and prep warrior during that time though.