eggs tho
#protection
daring marlin
lusty tiger
had a 10pm lift last night
proper roost
I have eggs!
daring marlin
I have eggs!
eat them and get MORE
proper roost
no
sick sentinel
watching an #ad for some racing move about cars
"my heart was racing" quote
proper roost
maybe
sick sentinel
i cant
opaque quest
Dude is a true racist
lusty tiger
?
sullen valve
TANKS TANK
HEALERS HEAL
DAMAGE DEALERS DPS
ITS THE NATURAL ORDER
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
everyone dps s
sullen valve
They shouldn't be
DPS IS BAD
dusky canopy
Brooooss btw.. more 2% wipes on mag last night
avjvjtbkakxbwkebcjksnbbfj
lusty grotto
ok who shit on Abelito's oreos
lusty tiger
Brooooss btw.. more 2% wipes on mag last night
avjvjtbkakxbwkebcjksnbbfj
magtheridon? magister's terrace?
lusty grotto
wait
werent you joining an echo prog guild?
did they deprog?
or did it not happen
me confuzzled
lusty tiger
<:medge:869468644743200829>
dusky canopy
That guild disbanded man smh….
lusty grotto
ah fuck
dusky canopy
It’s all good though the guild I’m trialing with now is like any pull is a mag kill then I’ll be back on echo
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLrpsJPNXw i think nomes trick is on display here
grim pilot
It’s all good though the guild I’m trialing with now is like any pull is a mag k...
How many pulls youre into mag
Mag is kinda easy
Just a dps check and small heal check
dusky canopy
This guilds way cooler too they’re range heavy witch is the polar opposite of where I came from witch was melee heavy
AND windfury + monk
I’m bing chillin
lusty tiger
cant ask for much more
lusty grotto
well i guess it worked out
dusky canopy
How many pulls youre into mag
I don’t know the total for this group as My first night with them was yesterday
We did 30 pulls last night with multiple sub 10% pulls
sick sentinel
i am not bing chilling due to sanguine
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
might be a zero key week
proper roost
That guild disbanded man smh….
lol wtf
dusky canopy
well i guess it worked out
Yeah homie so far it’s good! Super cool group
daring marlin
yogi this week owns
sick sentinel
worst affix by far
proper roost
had that happen a year ago
joined a new guild was pogging for a couple weeks good atmosphere
died out of nowhere
daring marlin
Brew is the grim reaper meme...
proper roost
rl gave up
daring marlin
dusky canopy
4 people including a main tank were poached to HoF pushing guild supposedly I can’t say how true or not that is but it’s what they claimed
And then the rest of the guild disbanded
dusky canopy
Yeah I thought it was humorous as well
proper roost
Heard that one before
sick sentinel
entire group is at 20% hp, elite is at 40% hp> monsters die > sanguine >everyone starts casting something and doesnt move > nonelites now up to 50% hp, elite up to 75% hp
lusty tiger
just be a brm
sick sentinel
repeat 5 - 10 times per dungeon anddddd your key is dead
not to mention it hurts to sit in sanguine
lusty grotto
yeah kinda weird if a main tank gets poached
dusky canopy
Brew is the grim reaper meme...
I swear! I’ve got this bad juju man.. 3 dead guilds so far I’m on my 4th trial since I started shooting for a decent mythic raiding guild
lusty grotto
seems odd
daring marlin
I swear! I’ve got this bad juju man.. 3 dead guilds so far I’m on my 4th trial s...
bruh got the touch of death
holy moly
proper roost
Yikes
daring marlin
@toxic pewter come back I miss you
lusty grotto
i miss apb too
proper roost
lusty grotto
😢
dusky canopy
@toxic pewter LY fam
proper roost
at least not for this long
cerulean tusk
Literally progged with them one week and they disbanded…
You were the straw 
sick sentinel
this is how i picture death or the grim reaper
daring marlin
this is how i picture death or the grim reaper
No that's @dusky canopy
proper roost
tbh I only joined guild to try and get mythic gear to push easier
and now its like
mythic gear is kinda pointless with how the gear system is setup
dusky canopy
You were the straw <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Nah the raid lead said they liked me and wanted me to join official after two nights but then disbanded like 9 hours later or whatever
proper roost
and i didnt want to push on my warrior anyway
dusky canopy
Lmao
cerulean tusk
He cant keep getting away with it!
dusky canopy
I hope not these dudes are super cool
proper roost
if the gear acquisition, particularly crafted, is the same next season
gonna have to rethink mythic raiding i think
sick sentinel
i don't use the name death if i don't have to, but this is where it stems from
dusky canopy
Supposedly the officers all went to college together and they’re all multi CE players some with 11 CE titles together
daring marlin
Wish costco was closer than 20 mins away
sick sentinel
cuz, death is, extreme edgey boy or somethin
proper roost
thats the opposite of stable
daring marlin
I'd crush a rotisserie chicken
proper roost
how long have they collectively raided in that guild
Thats just asking for huge ego clash const
dusky canopy
BFA iirc
daring marlin
i don't use the name death if i don't have to, but this is where it stems from
I am become Death, destroyer of worlds...
sick sentinel
I am become Death, destroyer of worlds...
i am dead and i am death.
proper roost
just farm parses
cerulean tusk
Whirl is gonna seduce all of them, then the guild battles to the death
proper roost
for apps
proper roost
hi choco
plush tendon
idk, a guild that has that many CE titles together is pretty damn stable
regardless of how it formed
dusky canopy
Right right
south zealot
hi kanga
proper roost
Also not even sure 11 is possible? I skipped only bfa and sl but im pretty sure its only like 12 or 13 in total
dusky canopy
Basically college buddies that all raided separately came together to make there own CE focused guild
proper roost
unless u double count some like
10/25 used to be separate ces
for mop
Would be super disingenuous
plush tendon
the way I usually look at it; a guild with more then like 3 congruent CE titles is stable
less than that, and its a little dicey
dusky canopy
I’m just repeating what they told me they could totally be full of shit afaik
lusty grotto
why you poopin on brews parade kanga
daring marlin
me am gr8
proper roost
Im not, he should just be wary
daring marlin
kanga based and real
proper roost
if he keeps picking dying guilds its his prerogative to look better
cerulean tusk
Why, Kanga? He aint worried. Guilds die when he wants them to. Not before
daring marlin
brew, aka grim
proper roost
u learn to spot red flags
sick sentinel
I am become Death, destroyer of worlds...
wait, no i misquoted the ramblings https://youtu.be/OZ4NLbIxzQ4?t=1738
"i am broken. my hope is eradicated...."
proper roost
and if this guild has 11 CEs but hasnt killed magmorax yet
daring marlin
how many guilds fell prey to him in SL...
proper roost
then its very worrying for the state of the guild
daring marlin
the horror!
lusty grotto
yeah im just playing
proper roost
means theyve likely been infighting recently for poor prog this tier
dusky canopy
It’s cool guys I actually appreciate Kangas perspective, or actually most of the regulars here perspectives sometimes you guys lead me onto something I completely over look
Bing chillin
lusty grotto
youre probably right to take notice of that
daring marlin
nim is such a boomer
plush tendon
yea, Kanga bringing up based points
daring marlin
love that guy
proper roost
also struggling for ce this tier means
they really struggled in voti most likely (prob didnt get ce?)
any harder tier
daring marlin
solution is simple
proper roost
this is a rly easy ce tier so v worrying if stuck on mag rn
daring marlin
don't raid 
cerulean tusk
Raid don't
plush tendon
well being stuck on a boss this tier seems fairly easy tbh; I know lots of players just getting burnt so some guilds have been dealing with turnover
proper roost
And if they DID get ce in voti but this late rn, u need to look at roster
dusky canopy
My goal is completely personal I just want one CE title I don’t care if it’s the easiest or the hardest and I’m not going to buy it I want to play for it
proper roost
means they might have lost some key really good players
plush tendon
or the Rashok wall
dusky canopy
So I’m strapped in for a wild ride
plush tendon
dont know if Zskarn is a wall anymore
proper roost
My goal is completely personal I just want one CE title I don’t care if it’s the...
ya for sure ce is a ce but many guilds die chasing it
plush tendon
but Rashok can be rough for some of the lower end CE guilds
proper roost
and being in dying guilds a lot hurts ur future apps
If guild is very fast to accept u
cerulean tusk
My goal is completely personal I just want one CE title I don’t care if it’s the...
If you really want to push for CE. Kanga's advice is actually quite important.
If you just meme'ing and getting as far as you go, don't sweat it.
proper roost
is sometimes red flag
proper roost
If i had to guess ur just not experienced with apping to a lot of ce chase guilds so youve been happily taking guilds that insta accept ur app
plush tendon
CE is getting overrated
dusky canopy
Yeah I get that but you guys also have to consider that I’m going at this with NO prior CE exp so I have to farm my way up the ladder the hard way
proper roost
but the reason theyre doing that is cuz theyre dying
plush tendon
Im ready to be a heroic andy
dusky canopy
It kinda is what it is
proper roost
i'm aware, im literally in the same situation
I havent raided since nighthold
and no one cares about 3 expansion old ces
but u can still be picky
if ur logs are good
daring marlin
logs are such a meme now
proper roost
u must be picky, if u care
daring marlin
It's gr8
dusky canopy
Yeah I’ve been being somewhat picky
plush tendon
I think the play right now for you is to feel out where you are now, but dont hard commit to anything and always be on the prowl for a better opportunity
dusky canopy
I’ve been fortunate enough to be getting 15+ people shooting me offers whenever I upload my post in the discord
daring marlin
Can still see you know your shit despite them being a meme tho
south zealot
2 or 3 dn
dusky canopy
They really do
dusky canopy
Case in point someone like me with little to no Mythic raiding EXP avoiding them
Lol
plush tendon
so its basically get CE quick or do heroic
proper roost
I mean u should be applying to guilds imo and ignore anyone but 9/9 guilds that dm u
at ur current prog
any non 9/9 guilds that dm u are gonna be desperate and falling apart
plush tendon
Case in point someone like me with little to no Mythic raiding EXP avoiding them
well its both yall and people who could be Mythic raiding but have decided its not worth and just stick to heroic
the pool of raiders be getting smaller and smaller each tier it feels like
proper roost
and any that are 9/9 will be stable and looking to shore up their roster generally
dusky canopy
I only have 3/9M kills but I also have logs for close kills on EXP/Zskarn/mag so it’s kinda bad looking
Kinda not idk
sick sentinel
ugh, what kind of effort do i gotta put in if all i want is spark parts
can i just dso 8 +2's
strong forum
16s to get aspect crests
crude notch
🟦
proper roost
and 441 in every slot
16s let u upgrade to 447s when u get the vault items yogi
just do 16s
sick sentinel
don't want to with sanguine being a thing
proper roost
bruh
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> Square sent me an e-mail for 14 days free
like free trial or just to reactivate?
apparently stormblood is becoming part of the free trial
soon
thats 2 expansions literally for free
sick sentinel
i don't like sanguine, never have
lusty grotto
shitton of story content
sick sentinel
always skipped on that week or minimal effort
dusky canopy
How’s raiding in FF nim?
grim pilot
Sanguine is fun to play if you think youre good enough to manage around it
lusty grotto
i like it
grim pilot
Then reality kicks in
lusty grotto
its different than wow
proper roost
nim wont let me join his ffxiv static
lusty grotto
cant really compare
proper roost
he doesnt know how good i am on my au ra paladin
daring marlin
like free trial or just to reactivate?
14 days of playtime
lusty grotto
nice
daring marlin
May as well catch up on story!
lusty grotto
ill say this though
wow gearing is, right now in S2, miles fucking better than ffxiv gearing
if it was any other season
then it'd be a toss up
daring marlin
One nice thing about XIV raiding is there is a clear BIS and over time you WILL have it.
daring marlin
As long as you're clearing the encounters.
daring marlin
Books own.
proper roost
why arent we playin that
daring marlin
idk I stopped a couple months ago
proper roost
keying sucks I literally have negative desire to key rn
sadge
Someone inject me with a desire to key again
im so burned out of this season idk why
daring marlin
Cleared first 4 savage and second savage up to last floor
Had a falling out with someone and group fell apart
sick sentinel
TGP going now
crude notch
A wise kanga once said playing while burned out... actually I have no idea what else you said
sick sentinel
just 3 more minutes
daring marlin
I liked P4S more.
lusty grotto
yeah p4s was great
sick sentinel
idk i said this
already there
lusty grotto
p3s can suck my balls though fuck that orangey fight forever
proper roost
i have done two m+ in the last two weeks
i rly need to do more on my pally for gear but eugh
daring marlin
P7S owns
proper roost
just really dont feel like it
daring marlin
lmao
lusty grotto
i mean i hate it cause i was BLMing
same reason i fucking absolutely hate p7s
hated*
cause then i SAM'd and i was just cruising
theres just something rage inducing if for a good parse you have to BET ON MECHANIC PLACEMENT
daring marlin
i mean i hate it cause i was BLMing
proper roost
i would be a good white mage
lusty grotto
tbf, i feel like this tier has had way too much choreographed dances and limit cuts
proper roost
daring marlin
No, Kanga.
lusty grotto
thats why i love p10s
proper roost
😦
daring marlin
You would be the best WHM. 
proper roost
lusty grotto
just remember ur rotation
lusty tiger
do healers do damage in ff?
lusty grotto
glare
glare
glare
glare
uhh yea youre expected to dps
if you dont, youre a shitter
daring marlin
They're incredibly basic dps wise but yes.
lusty grotto
group disbands without anyone saying anything
daring marlin
Funny enough
lusty grotto
but you know why it did
crude notch
idk i said this
This was what I was thinking lol
proper roost
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1129828635579...
yeah tbf i literally havent been, i got a single vault slot last week
i even only raided one day last week I think
Felt kinda guilty about that one but oh well
lusty tiger
i still havent checked my vault this week
proper roost
We have like 26 person mythic roster and last two weeks has been 21 people logged on lol
Nah raiding is still fun i just dont feel like keying
daring marlin
Healers expected to DPS is more of a western thing. JP judges way more harshly if you let people die cuz you're dpsing too much. 
proper roost
uh
fun*
*reprogging p1 echo is not fun
lusty grotto
Healers expected to DPS is more of a western thing. JP judges way more harshly i...
youre not wrong
but enrages are a thing
so you absolutely need to
sick sentinel
Healers expected to DPS is more of a western thing. JP judges way more harshly i...
i must be japanese then
proper roost
dont u just press healing cds when healing parts happen and dps otherwise lol
like SL healing
sick sentinel
i tend to think in more traditional terms broadly
lusty grotto
i dont think western raiders let you off the hook if you let someone die to a bleed cause youre parsing either ngl
daring marlin
so you absolutely need to
Absolutely. Just don't tunnel!
Normally it's one healer that focuses more on healing and the other on damage.
lusty grotto
yes kind of kanga
but there's bleeds this tier
and theres also this one thing called harrowing hell
proper roost
i see
lusty grotto
well not this tier, this entire expansion has had bleeds
its just raidwide dots
so big dam, then big dot
strong forum
i mean i hate it cause i was BLMing
okay you mean black mage
cuz i was confused for a sec
lusty grotto
ye
proper roost
LMAO
daring marlin
BLM owns
lusty grotto
i love it, but betting on placement is just ass
dusky canopy
okay you mean black mage
daring marlin
Conjuring stars to obliterate your foes? GOD
crude notch
LMAO
lusty grotto
and then suddenly you realize the boss has a huge fucking hit box that covers the entire arena, and no positionals
sick sentinel
crude notch
Nome not even American and first thing he thinks of
lusty grotto
so you say fuck it ill go SAM and dnace around the room
sick sentinel
cool looking medals
strong forum
Nome not even American and first thing he thinks of
there were riots here about that aswell
which is really weird
proper roost
dusky canopy
YO that KAT is nice
sick sentinel
its not my final fantasy to play that game
lusty tiger
yogi has kids suddenly
sick sentinel
nahh lol
lusty tiger
u sure because that had some big time dad joke energy
sick sentinel
i like single player final fantasy, but i would never play an anime mmo
daring marlin
@lusty grotto also gearing off jobs is fuckin' great in xiv
I have buddies that have 3-4 characters even
sick sentinel
thats what my brother told me like 15 years ago
lusty grotto
yeah
sick sentinel
and it stuck
sick sentinel
it stuck really hard forme
lusty grotto
thats actually not false
daring marlin
One dualboxes stuff
lusty grotto
the fact that the same character is its own alts
daring marlin
crude notch
"anime MMO"
lusty grotto
ok yeah thats fucking sweaty, fuck that
daring marlin
yogi you play wow
crude notch
That's a term
daring marlin
pretty fucking anime bro
sick sentinel
closest thing is pokemon series 1 and yugiho series 1
crude notch
No Guilford, wow isn't animated, it's real life bro
lusty grotto
but i play ffxiv cause i like savage raiding
sick sentinel
when i say anime mmo, i mean, anime i dunno how else to put it
daring marlin
Story was a banger.
lusty grotto
yeah the whole story is amazing
daring marlin
lusty grotto
by far one of, if not, the best, FF story
and thats right up there with FF6
and kefka
lusty grotto
emet selch is the goat
daring marlin
I think Emet Selch is one of the best characters they've ever had. Scene stealing mofo!
south zealot
holy moly dude tyran vortex pinnacle for tgp
lusty grotto
zenos is great too, at least after this expansion
daring marlin
💯
lusty grotto
alright let me tune in
ill be 5 mins behind choco cause i cant fucking watch that shit on twitch bad quality
sick sentinel
PEBKAC
grim pilot
kind of a rookie question but I never delved into it - def stance makes prot uncrittable right? That's what I heard somewhere
lusty grotto
mob crits dont happen in retail
thats a classic thing
it hasnt happened in a long long long time
mobs just cannot crit you
grim pilot
meant the bosses
strong forum
kind of a rookie question but I never delved into it - def stance makes prot unc...
tanks cant get crit in retail
grim pilot
oh
lusty grotto
meant the bosses
it doesnt matter
strong forum
the only way to get crit is by sitting down
grim pilot
because I was wondering if that also would apply if I used def stance in arms/fury
lusty tiger
I never played an xpac that dstance made you crit immune
lusty grotto
it didnt make you crit immune
south zealot
even if it did, it wouldnt alter how u played/when u used dstance
crude notch
Just get defense cap bro wym?
(This is a joke)
sick sentinel
WTF you dont have 440 defense rating?
south zealot
dude i keep getting ubereats email but i cant use the promo code
sick sentinel
gtfo my guild
south zealot
im pissed
lusty grotto
defense rating was a thing for CRUSHING blows, not crits
lusty grotto
you could be unhittable, which is what people did for anub on the coliseum, idk if thats still a thing nowadays with the classic iteration though
strong forum
physics
sick sentinel
sounds like some bullshit to me
lusty tiger
There were no crushes in wrath
sick sentinel
i equip an umbrella IRL i don't start taking drowning dmg during rain
lusty tiger
And one of the things defense did was make you crit immune
strong forum
sounds like some bullshit to me
theres an arm and body connected to the shield that still gets hit by force of the blow
crude notch
Nimchip more like nimrod
strong forum
same as when wearing a bulletproof vest you can still break a rib when you get shot
sick sentinel
i seem to recall it was a paladin tank on ulduar, and he didnt have 440 cuz he didnt have some item equipped and he got crit for double dmg causing a wipe
lusty tiger
Crush immune was that “104%” total avoidance standard because any time you did not: get missed, dodge, or parry, you would block(which you cannot be crushed or crit on a blocked hit)
crude notch
same as when wearing a bulletproof vest you can still break a rib when you get s...
Vouching for this statement.
Just get resilience.
lusty grotto
the fuck i remember wrath, its been a decade
i remember the unhittable set simply because the farm for that set was ass
lusty tiger
I also don’t think there’s enough gear to be hit immune by togc (maybe if you gemmed all dodge?” I’ve never tried
lusty tiger
I know for ads people do a block set to tank all 4
I’ve been told about that on warmane
Well block value set does not mean hit immune
lusty grotto
again i dont know about classic
but there was
100% there was an unhittable set
and yes it was to tank all adds
lusty tiger
I think you are confusing it with block value
lusty tiger
So they nerfed all the gear in the last patch? Or did one tank spec get a free 40% avoidance (maybe DKs?)
lusty tiger
Since dk gets avoidance based off str
lusty tiger
But you also cannot explain it
daring marlin
hello I was also there
lusty tiger
And you said wrong things about defense rating
lusty grotto
its been a decade
crude notch
All I know is this is still saved in my macros...
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(5.6-((GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*.04+GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_CRIT_TAKEN_MELEE)),1,0.5,0)
lusty grotto
do you remember shit that happened in the womb?
daring marlin
Black value made the adds do zero damage to you basically
lusty grotto
jesus
lusty tiger
Black value made the adds do zero damage to you basically
Which is different than being unhittable
strong forum
all i remember from wrath is chain heal go brr
crude notch
Black value!!!
"I was there"
Technically I was there in my mom's womb, but I don't remember that shit.
crude notch
"unhittable" was 102.4%
lusty grotto
yes
crude notch
Ya
daring marlin
For the purpose of the block value set block was included
You're arguing semantics
lusty tiger
Well that’s not unhittable that’s having enough block value to fully mitigate the damage
lusty grotto
block value was part of the calculation
lusty tiger
They are very different
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ
lusty tiger
THEY ARE
crude notch
They're not
lusty grotto
im done trying to explain this classic andy
lusty tiger
On illidan in tbc you can be hit immune
And same with bis sunwell gear against other bosses
They cannot hit you
crude notch
I'm gonna hit you
lusty tiger
Ofc for a bv set to work you need to push all non blocked hits off the table
lusty grotto
why the fuck do you even need to be hit immune for illidan, just press SB for shear
lusty tiger
I said you can
lusty grotto
and i know that for a fact cause thats how i got the Shearchip nickname
back in the day
daring marlin
good thing we're talking about a different boss in a different expac that was incredibly niche and required gear from the original game
lusty tiger
I’m just saying hit immune ≠ bv full mitigation
daring marlin
I'm agreeing with you chipbro
lusty grotto
youre an idiot jaree
daring marlin
JERRY
lusty tiger
Hit immunity is a different thing
daring marlin
YOU ARE ARGUING SEMANTICS CEASE LOL
lusty tiger
Why do you think we look at the “hit” column when looking at %blocked hits
crude notch
Block dn
lusty tiger
Sorry this is so hard for you to understand
lusty grotto
no its hard for YOU to understand
blocking has a cap in retail
it caps out at 60% damage reduction
block value is only gained by shields
lusty tiger
But you have to have a melee attack actually HIT you to be able to block it is my point
lusty grotto
that was not the case back then
semantics
if you block 100% of the hit, youre effectively not getting hit
thats it
lusty tiger
But you are
crude notch
Jeree is there a point to you saying this?
lusty tiger
That’s how you’re able to block
lusty tiger
Because hit immune means the enemy cannot land a melee swing on your character
crude notch
You're that guy
lusty tiger
And there are specs that have interaction with blocking hits like Paladin and warrior
So a blocked hit is different than an avoided one
They function differently
crude notch
That part is technically correct which is part of why I hated the term "unhittable".
But still
For the definition of unhittable that was used back then, it didn't matter what your block rating was except on one boss.
lusty tiger
There’s a lot of definitions from back then we don’t use anymore
daring marlin
@lusty tiger The fact is block was counted as unhittable because fully blocking the hit was essentially the same as dodging or parrying because if you fully blocked the hit you didn't get the debuff.
lusty tiger
The warrior in the video you posted was getting the debuff
uneven mason
<@193453212500623360> The fact is block was counted as unhittable because fully ...
It was because you could push "hit" off the combat roll table, not because of reducing damage to zero - just saying
lusty grotto
yes
yes yes
i remember those exact words being used
in EJ because that was the go-to back then
ion's fucking guild
and wodin
and idk if tankspot was up and running by then with Lore
uneven mason
Yes
lusty grotto
kind of, its all fuzzy
daring marlin
Ciderhelm was the goat back then
lusty grotto
oh yeah cidehelm
uneven mason
Tankspot was the originator of tracing the combat roll system
Rather explaining it so plebs like me could understand how it worked
lusty grotto
yeah
crude notch
Bunch of old farts arguing about mechanics from 15 years ago.
uneven mason
lusty tiger
Just put on a documentary for them and go game
proper roost
I have to train someone tonight which means less time gaming
train me
lusty tiger
A local Dino
uneven mason
Don't fuck with the tail
crude notch
bruh is unhittable you can't catch him
lusty tiger
: D
chilly brook
So uhhh
Got an ashkandur on my warrior last night
I think blizz is trying to tell me something since I can’t get the Lego
uneven mason
Go arms be like Nim
uneven mason
You must be new to Griff's luck
chilly brook
its week 15 and its not a rare item
What are you on about? The sword?
proper roost
ya weve literally given like four to transmog rolls
chilly brook
It’s the second time I’ve actually taken the warrior to the raid
Meanwhile Lego has dropped for an alt and now the other evoker
proper roost
last week i think someone brought their rat alt
and they got full 4pc
because they got traded 3 curios
lmao
crude notch
proper roost
i'm busy trying to set up a dnd game in my one remaining free time day
daring marlin
triflin' ass hoe...
proper roost
i'm not sorry i actually hated playing ffxiv
animation delay ass game
gcds not lining up with cds frame delay ass havin
strong forum
animation delay ass game
casts that dont have a running animation so you just slide over the floor
🙂
uneven mason
2.5s GCD
blazing condor
youd think the global cooldowns wouldve helped global warming by now
lusty grotto
yea the gcd is kind of a departure from wow, but it fits nicely with ogcd weaving
its just that it feels like absolute ass when youre low lvl
lusty grotto
yeah the reason why its so big in comparison is that it has console players
or i should say long
but yeah weaving makes it feel a lot better
its def not for everyone coming in from wow though
uneven mason
Wow for Xbox 
lusty tiger
whats the average rotation amount of spells in ff?
south zealot
banger
crude notch
What's the average apm? I know I could look it up on fflogs, but hoping you know fof the top of your head
lusty grotto
like a BLM full rotation has 7 gcds on astral fire, and 2 gcds on umbral frost.. a SAM has 3 different combos with 3 gcds for 2 of them and 2 gcds for one of them
but rotations can vary
instant casts, applying dots as finishers, etc
hmm apm is limited for sure
sick sentinel
yesterday in a freehold
lusty grotto
youre effectively capped
depending on your skill speed or spell speed
higher skill speed and spell speed makes double weaving a no go cause you clip gcds
lower (or slower) can double weave
you cant triple weave though, its always a clip
sick sentinel
i would still be extremely interested to see 5 or howmany ever is a typical raid players, as robots
1 iteration where they are haste specs, 1 where they self decide
lusty grotto
i think its around 40 CPM on average jordan
crude notch
interesting. ty qtpie
proper roost
what is triple weaving
crude notch
idk what happened to me but eventually at a certain age I just stopped exploring other games.
lusty grotto
there are classes that are outliers cause they have so many ogcds
proper roost
ur old lol
crude notch
I say that as I only picked up PoE 2 years ago
proper roost
poe is a giga boomer game tho
lusty grotto
weaving is just using ogcds in the gcd window
proper roost
the only people that drool over poe building and crafting and trading bs are all boomers
proper roost
sus definition of weaving
lusty grotto
thats how its called in xiv
double weaving is just 2 ogcds in the gcd
triple is 3
etc
if you do it incorrectly you clip the gcd, which means your entire rotation is delayed
because your gcd starts later, by a short amount of time but adds up
it happens in WoW too
its just insane min-maxy to do on a game that has lust
sick sentinel
proper roost
if you do it incorrectly you clip the gcd, which means your entire rotation is d...
wait
wtf
is this what was happening with my paladin gcds
because theres an ogcd 30s cd ability and a gcd 15s ability
and u wanted to line them up every time
but i would have it desync slightly over and over
lusty grotto
the problem is wow doesnt really have a lot of damage dealing ogcd
proper roost
and it drove me mad
lusty grotto
its mostly cooldowns as in buffs
proper roost
or maybe it was the other way around idr exactly but it sucked
lusty grotto
yeah thats uhhh trailing
proper roost
i'm even more mad now
How tf do u even know thats a mechanic
if u dont follow some bs tc
Wtf
😡
lusty tiger
poe is pretty good
strong forum
yeah im spinning right now
lusty tiger
i loved my pre reworked discharge build
crude notch
this finals is so stacked
lusty grotto
what are your predictions for class tuning
strong forum
firemage -3%
south zealot
+3% damage for blood dk
strong forum
and PI
lusty grotto
and mind control
aug evoker will now be a dps class and will be called dev.... devas
correction: divas
strong forum
theres no fixing aug unless they are legit a detriment dps wise
lusty grotto
i legit hope they dont touch them
i like them as a requirement
the problem is its just that one class
strong forum
they just need to be quick with releasing other supports
south zealot
who is this
dusky canopy
Wonder if they’ll do a support that favors melee
south zealot
@proper roost
lusty grotto
i will die for a fellow baconator enjoyer
daring marlin
...fat
lusty grotto
ur mom
daring marlin
luv u
south zealot
Turboitzchocotime: I LOVE WENDYS BACONATORS WITH EXTRA BACON NO CHEESE NO KETCHUP NO MAYO ADD BACON
lusty grotto
is this dungeon stats thing new? maybe i havent been paying attention, i dont remember it
they seem to change screens fast after it shows up when the key is completed
strong forum
ye is new
lusty tiger
https://www.wowhead.com/news/out-of-game-overlays-the-future-of-raiding-in-world...
I don’t get it
dusky canopy
I don’t get it
Blizz doesn’t like WAs solving mechanics for you so they broke them
Internet dudes making “overlays” to circumvent this
lusty grotto
pretty sure they havent broken echo auras
its the internet dudes going around any potential fix, to show the "dangers" of overlays
auras are technically NOT overlays
lusty tiger
hmm
lusty grotto
this is in response to the WCL overlay announcement
dusky canopy
I’m all for it, blizz should just design fights that don’t need WAs etc
This will encourage that
lusty tiger
ya every mechinic in the game should be specified
lusty grotto
I’m all for it, blizz should just design fights that don’t need WAs etc
see that was their goal, but then they fucking created echo
or at least im pretty sure it was their goal
morgan day couldnt say they were against or were ok with the echo private auras on the max interview a few weeks ago
he said it was a "grey area"
for that particular fight
im interpreting that as they knowing they fucked up
lusty grotto
they def shouldn't make fights without clear indicators
it could work for smaller raid sizes (ffxiv does it)
but its just hell and promotes aura use on higher player count
lusty tiger
id like to see more mechanics going on top/bottom dps and healers i think
lusty grotto
and even xiv has been moving into trying to make mechanics more easily distinguishable
lusty tiger
some angle like that
dusky canopy
id like to see more mechanics going on top/bottom dps and healers i think
This would be to easily bated
Someone would always get cucked and be the mechanic slave
lusty tiger
yea but thats somewhat interactive
well that happens anyway
and its not very fleshed out
i dont think its a magnificent idea
but something that gives you more control over the mechaics
lusty grotto
i think echo is a good fight honestly
the only problem are the aura requirements for the aoes
daring marlin
@lusty grotto You know what'd be sick? An enemy target list like XIV has.
lusty grotto
the whole break the wall concept, and go attacking the adds is fun
daring marlin
lusty grotto
oh
kind of
ffxiv needs it cause their nameplates are trash
id say it would be great for huge pulls in wow though
dusky canopy
When blizz talked about liking “lists” are they referring to the mrt note?
daring marlin
I'd like it in M+. Could make it so you can configure certain mobs to appear on it, for example...
lusty grotto
yeah i think so brew
dusky canopy
Glad they like that because the Note and WA that goes with it makes a world of a difference for me
lusty grotto
yeah its good, its part of management, i dont really see any issues with MRT lists
lusty tiger
good lineup
dusky canopy
I guess it could be argued that the note/WA combo takes the thought out if it
lusty grotto
the problem is the micro map private aura
dusky canopy
However at least someone has to setup the note and timings
lusty grotto
but the aura itself is not the issue, the problem is the fight being designed that way
because it goes against making shit clear
jagged gust
Anyone have any experience with running the timewalking BT raid? I haven't done it since... 2008. I'm guessing it's a lot easier than it used to be
dusky canopy
It’s fairly easy yea
Illidan isn’t a push over however
But still easy
If you want a super sleeper time in there you can try to get into one of the timewalking twink discord runs but idk if they’ll allow that if you’re not mostly in the twink gear
jagged gust
Honestly it took my guild like 2 or so weeks of prog to take down illy, he was always kind of on the easy side in terms of final raid bosses
I actually still have a 60 hunter in full sunwell gear on area 52 still, I abandoned that guy at the end of tbc, idk what that level is converted to, maybe 30? Is that even high enough to run with twinks?
proper roost
If you want a super sleeper time in there you can try to get into one of the tim...
wouldnt they just be able to carry anyone
dusky canopy
Oh shoot there’s one boss in there that does this wave thing and if people don’t do it right you’ll be hard stuck I can’t remember the name
proper roost
why would they gatekeep people smh
dusky canopy
Witch is why they mostly require the gear
dusky canopy
It’s been a while lol Idr what they all do
But they host competitions every timewalking event for speed clears
And give out prizes
jagged gust
First boss had splinters, second had fixate, third wasn't even a boss it was just adds, 4th was just run out of raid if you're about to die, gurtogg is probably gonna wipe us a few times, same with RoS I think interrupts are gonna get us, mother is gonna be fine so long as you can still cheese her, council was barely a boss fight as well
It's just gurtogg and illy im worried about
proper roost
wtf lol
dusky canopy
I think that’s the one I was trying to say “gurtogg”
lusty tiger
First boss had splinters, second had fixate, third wasn't even a boss it was jus...
teron ghosts are the downfall
jagged gust
My guild was either second or third on the server behind Vicarious back in the day, I still have that raid fucking memorized lol
dusky canopy
That’s sick!
lusty tiger
ive run an embarassing amount of BTs
lusty tiger
jagged gust
We started giving alts warglaives back in the day
Those things dropped like fucking candy
dusky canopy
I don’t understand things like this ^
lusty tiger
feels bad
dusky canopy
I have farmed the shit out of glaives and Thunderfury
lusty tiger
never got even close to a glaive or thunderfury
jagged gust
Like we had 2 rogues and a fury war with either full or partial sets, then the left one dropped so often we ran out of people who could equip them
lusty tiger
the offhand?
jagged gust
Honestly I can't remember, but one had like a 5x higher drop rate than the other for us
warm plinth
who has the sim string for oce
proper roost
who has the sim string for oce
copy=Bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/emerald/obsidian/ruby
copy=Emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/obsidian/ruby
copy=Obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/ruby
copy=Azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=bronze/emerald/obsidian/ruby
copy=Ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=azure/bronze/emerald/obsidian```thanks boo
warm plinth
and you put this in the advanced sim input or w/e at the bottom?
or just below your char info
proper roost
advanced sim below checksum
dusky canopy
It has be done in advanced because of the copy line
warm plinth
gracias
proper roost
i was gonna say just save it to a personal disc but why bother when u can just get one of us to do it
warm plinth
Yeah I don't need it anyway; it was just for a friend
dusky canopy
I just have a copy pasta tab in my disc where I keep all the useful stuff we discuss here haha
Comes in handy
proper roost
ya same
most useful thing
(literally stopped needing this the day after i made it)
dusky canopy
Can’t screenshot the whole thing but I’ve got this from aagaard in mine lol *ofc mines build related
It pretty much sits there to be shared lol I memorized it now
I never made one for what drops where I guess I was lazy
lusty grotto
😄
i only use that shit as a todo list most of the time
or an easy to way to copy shit from pc to mobile and vice versa
sick sentinel
i wonder if VP this week if idiot proof or not
i need to get in a dungeon a monkey can complete on a 16
17 if im doing VP
lusty grotto
tyrannical week, vp might be hard
sick sentinel
i want idiot proof in terms of sanguini
lusty grotto
anything thats not uldaman basically
jagged gust
We're supposed to be using Skullsplitter? 😬
sick sentinel
anything thats not uldaman basically
i don't think im ever running that key again lol
dusky canopy
We're supposed to be using Skullsplitter? 😬
Yee sks slaps
dusky canopy
daring marlin
muh personal discs
lusty grotto
minimalist
crude notch
I don't remember this pasta at all
... then one fuckwit just decides he's going to interrupt all of this by arguing pointless takes and arguing with the experts constantly
Whenever new people come in, all they see in this library is this guy being argued with by the staff, and they think to themselves *"man, this place is pretty toxic, guess I'll leave*", and the knowledgeable think *"fuck me this is draining, why do I have to put up with this, guess I'll leave*" and all of a sudden the place falls apart```
lusty grotto
daring marlin
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
daring marlin
@lusty grotto d4 when bby
lusty grotto
nevar
daring marlin
why do you lie tho
lusty grotto
maybe when it goes on sale and i have nothing else to do 🙂
torn gulch
jordan that new graph of yours looks very good
twin pilot
Just switched from prot pally to Prot warrior. How do you guys deal with losing threat to beacon? I’m 421 item level at the moment but I’m running 15-16 keys no problem until someone uses beacon lol. I can deal with it fine on my 444 prot pally. It’s probably just an item level thing but wanted to see I could get some input. Thanks
lusty grotto
upgrade your weapon asap
but yeah youre being outgeared
you might wanna use challenging the second you notice it
in the meantime
twin pilot
Will do, thanks 😊
lusty grotto
ARR
did coils
took a break
resubbed for HW
played a bit, did some alexander, took an extended break until ShB
resubbed, fucking did all the story and couldn't stop
did savage bozja, and decided to go back into raiding
daring marlin
Didn't even see the horrors of 1.0...
lusty grotto
nah
daring marlin
Were you aware people want a classic 1.0?
torn gulch
Didn't even see the horrors of 1.0...
NIGHTMARE
lusty grotto
im a 2.0 andy
daring marlin
LUHMAO
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
idk about that, from what ive seen
torn gulch
yoship was ready to puke laughing when he was asked about classic ff14
daring marlin
lmaoooooo
torn gulch
straight under the table
lusty grotto
i think its funny cause the only thing they can "classic" is 1.0