Not one of us noticed til then
#protection
daring marlin
lmao
cerulean tusk
Leave it to the zugzug master to go... "Wait... brain not recieve correct amount of dopamine. DPS too low! Why no zugzug?"
warm plinth
lol
daring marlin
proper roost
im BUSY!!!
lavish sphinx
I'm starting to rack up Sparks but I don't see any immediate craft needs. Anything you guys would recommend? Or go for off-spec?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/thetoddtime
daring marlin
im BUSY!!!
wtf I want a divorce NOW
crude notch
I'm starting to rack up Sparks but I don't see any immediate craft needs. Anythi...
basically anything that can be upgraded to 447
tranquil drift
no
lavish sphinx
Okay so that means basically crafted boots, cloak and (head or chest or hands) then
Thanks
tranquil drift
oh damn, a heart of thunder 447, give :D
jagged gust
That dude has an incredibly punchable face
median tulip
Just had a really weird bug. The Blacksmiths shield in Neltharus just fired off once a second for as long as we were in combat - fire everywhere, mobs & the final boss getting hit over and over.
dusky canopy
Sick!
crude notch
about time
sick sentinel
hopefully tomorrow's vault is a bust
then i can take a spark again and be back on track
warm plinth
🤔
daring marlin
nah fam your vault is gonna be BANGER
warm plinth
But then couldn't you just...do the weekly and still be back on track?
dusky canopy
Ghash, he's out of sync by taking vault sparks
sick sentinel
yeah, and i only have ring and hands or trinket to get really
proper roost
wtf I want a divorce NOW
warm plinth
Ghash, he's out of sync by taking vault sparks
Sounds like a him problem!
sick sentinel
warm plinth
amirite
sick sentinel
that game is a shit show to get running but its very fucking good considering it takes 1 hour to beat if you dont die
lusty grotto
yeah just gotta eat then ill post key and let you know
warm plinth
👀
dusky canopy
I better go sit on the target dummy
lmao
I was about to warm up in some randos 23
sick sentinel
maybe i'll give some other character a go, doubt it lol
dusky canopy
2nd warrior?
opaque quest
I started playing my holy pala again. Im being taken into 22s with 2200 IO while my Warr gets declined for 23s with 3k. Feelsgood/bad
lusty grotto
I better go sit on the target dummy
you ready?
dusky canopy
yee
dusky canopy
I wont lie I have never streamed before
Could do disc though
I can do that ofc
like the disc stream
daring marlin
@lusty grotto stReam
dusky canopy
Were busy having people leave once they see me in group xD
dusky canopy
Joins group
looks at not only one warrior but two in the group
Leaves group
daring marlin
bruh I think that ramen is my new favorite dinner wtf
I made it with the bone broth and some milk and tossed my beef and broccoli in
oh man
lusty grotto
ive actually never had somoene leave when they see me tanking
lusty grotto
i mean fury slaps now
daring marlin
people are dumb
lusty grotto
even more than it slapped before
dusky canopy
lmao in this case its definitely the 2995 arms warrior in the 24 group
haters hating
daring marlin
he's all crit/haste
dusky canopy
I do the crit haste arms gaming
lusty grotto
hmm well this is gonna be interesting
dusky canopy
I do not enjoy fury anymore now that ive learned arms
daring marlin
arms owns nim cmon bro
dusky canopy
Hes throwing his key away becuase its HOI and also monday
Were going to own this until we overlap a kick and get a bomb to go off
xD
modern gazelle
whats your favorite healer to play with?
idk why but i love monks man they just keep everyone up and their big cds feel good
lavish sphinx
Paladins or Priest for the utility
median tulip
Shaman. The totem effects are good if the Shammie knows how to best use them, and you get Lust and an extra short-CD interrupt as well
sick sentinel
paladin has brez plate armor and utility
median tulip
Also Poison Cleansing Totem this week is absolute Gold
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
warm plinth
did you thank them for the carry Nim?
lusty grotto
ty brew for the carry @dusky canopy
crude notch
How much did you have to pay?
lusty grotto
60k kissies
dusky canopy
daring marlin
Let's see the breakdown
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
buncha nerds tbh
they all played pretty well i thought few obvious goofs but aye i didnt play perfect either
Miss aligned cds and had a few pulls that suffered from it
(Nim, dont mention how i charged into swirl and popped)
crude notch
dusky canopy
cerulean tusk
Something something if you were firemage you wouldn't be dead, something DPS, +3 something
lusty grotto
goes afk before 2nd boss
dusky canopy
yeah the lust alone was big int
lusty grotto
dies on last boss gauntlet
we could have done all 4 casters on boss easily, not sure why we held back
dusky canopy
Yeah I was trying to read that and the first round it seemed like doing them seperate was intended
lusty grotto
and the hpal didnt freedom once on the first pulls for beams
lusty grotto
and also he died on big pack lol
dusky canopy
and the hpal didnt freedom once on the first pulls for beams
tbf i dont think alot of people know you can do that
but that hpal is also in a 24
should know that by now
lusty grotto
bro?
this motherfucker SP wouldnt shut the fuck up
on a 24 FH
goddamn
how do you become such an insufferable idiot with such garbage numbers
our boomie was even dead on the whole phase 2 of kragg cause we got RNG'd shots into pally and then to him
teen dancing straight into blacklist
lusty grotto
arent you sleeping
proud tide
how do you become such an insufferable idiot with such garbage numbers
lmao tell us how you really feel
lusty grotto
i just did
proud tide
again
lusty grotto
nah no encores
daring marlin
lol this goofy cat
daring marlin
Has multiple beds she could lay in
but opts for the fucking luggage bag turned over
goofy af
daring marlin
correct
daring marlin
what an absolute giga chad
proud tide
he also stood in 2/2 charges before we wiped
crude notch
I made the mistake of unknowingly closing my cat in my room.
proud tide
lmfao
crude notch
She was freaking the fuck out
proud tide
i get 2 cats i adopted this thursday
jagged gust
had one pulling 70k ST in a 22 undr
What has their ST been like post adjustment anyways? They've been lagging behind on the meters lately, but not sure if that's a class issue or skill issue
lusty grotto
they are behind a bit of mages and other classes
but they still pull considerable numbers
crude notch
In ST they're def bottom 3rd rn
lusty grotto
yea
proud tide
so how is this possible
ur a gigachad
high aspen
am i just doing alot of damage
or are they just doing little
maybe both
i dont play prot often so im not sure what a normal dmg range is
urban portal
both
high aspen
isnt prot warrior like not the greatest damage wise in keys
besides nelths lair that doesnt count
urban portal
tank damage scales with how big you can pull
high aspen
true
so i guess warrior probably really good that way
but higher keys you probably cant pull bigger since warrior feels kinda squish, need good cd management or you die instantly
druid just looks at enemy and lives
high aspen
ig this was a 17, still getting warmed up to prot warrior, i think ive got the damage part down, but i feel like i mess up my defensives, id figure at 446 and 445 ilvl you would know how to do damage
ionic fern
Ilvl means nothing.
In the sense that ilvl != skill.
Same as r.io != skill.
Just farming 17's for the gear and crests you can craft / upgrade your gear to 440+ pretty fast.
Just from pugging i've found very few DPS players who actually knew what they were doing.
Not trying to downplay your DPS. It's just that don't be too surprised. As you pug more and more you will see how often it happens.
😄
high aspen
yeah im a fury main, have not had anybody out dps me ever, besides a cracked ench shammy in my guild
fury damage profile is pretty good so it makes sense
probably will be trying prot in keys for now though, its super fun controlling the pace you go at
south knoll
Until you get a healer who can't heal when dps can't find their interrupt button 😉
ionic fern
In the 17 area you as a tank are pretty self sufficient.
So you just watch the DPS get clapped.
And continue.
high aspen
yeah thats what i was doing lmfao
going for some monka pulls too is fun
pulling 150k hps on myself LMAO
south zealot
maybe both
both, you did good damage
crude notch
No you!
marble ingot
curious question, it seems like i dont get to cast revenge that often since i try to dub my rage into my ignore pain for it to not fall off, i guess thats not right?
lusty grotto
you dont care about IP uptime
you use it to not cap rage only
its a rage dump, treat it as such
above 80 rage and about to hit SS or TC? use it
or any rage generators including demo, etc
IP uptime does not matter at all
so dont even look at it
spring rose
Hi there! Can you give me some advice what I should craft when I got my first 4 aspects? I'm thinkin about embalishments, but not quite sure wich one to pick.
ionic fern
curious question, it seems like i dont get to cast revenge that often since i tr...
Sounds to me like you're not actually pressing SS/TC enough.
In m+ scenarios you should have more than enough Rage for both.
marble ingot
Sounds to me like you're not actually pressing SS/TC enough.
In m+ scenarios you...
im pressing SS on every procc and off cd aswell as TC 😄 maybe i just dont have enough haste yet
modern brook
lusty grotto
ionic fern
im pressing SS on every procc and off cd aswell as TC 😄 maybe i just dont have ...
That's what they all say.
dark lark
Pushing 24s, starting to find that I'm getting my shit pushed in if I'm not permanently in D Stance (or at the very least, switching to B Stance at the end of the pull). Does that sound about right?
dark lark
Was in perma battle stance up prior to that point
I thought raging doesn't increase damage anymore, just uninterruptible
lusty grotto
yeah
ionic fern
Sorry, was in the sense of casts going off that usually wreck us.
dark lark
Uldaman 24 was painful, but what killed the key was the snake boss
ionic fern
Can always just stance/dance if you want to min-max.
lusty grotto
i dance a lot in 24s
dark lark
And dps just exploding
lusty grotto
im never in perma dstance... yet
dark lark
I'm watching Sense's vods and he's in perma dstance in like 28s and stuff
dark lark
So I'm just trying to feel out where that threshold is
lusty grotto
25s probably
i havent seen it happen yet
i did a 25 FH earlier, and i was still not in perma dstance
well attempted cause we had a slight problem pulling left after captains
void hamlet
Hi. Im new to prot warrior. May I ask what kind of stats I should be aiming for in m+?
void hamlet
So not bothering too much about vers?
jagged pier
Nope not really its a preference between that and crit but u cant get to any mount of vers that will do anything
And crit will actually mitiagte more damage for u over a key as parry completely stops damage and ver just reduces it
void hamlet
I see
jagged pier
Also due to crit actually just plain stopping damage it means your IP does more against bleeds and magic which is where we struggle the most
median tulip
Hi. Im new to prot warrior. May I ask what kind of stats I should be aiming for ...
One point to add to what Jakey said: If you are ever faced with the option of a higher ilvl Shield, ALWAYS take the Shield. Block Value is king. Ideally you should get a 447 Shield crafted ASAP.
void hamlet
One point to add to what Jakey said: If you are ever faced with the option of a ...
Yes. I have 447 shield crafted
median tulip
OK you're good to ignore me then
haughty sentinel
Not OP but am about to ding 70. Can I craft the 447 shield straight away?
It needs the 2 part crafting mat thingy?
opaque quest
Also due to crit actually just plain stopping damage it means your IP does more ...
Who struggles vs bleeds? 
opaque quest
Not OP but am about to ding 70. Can I craft the 447 shield straight away?
You need 4 aspects
median tulip
Not OP but am about to ding 70. Can I craft the 447 shield straight away?
You need 4 Aspect Crests (minimum of 5 timed +16s) to make a 447 item. Without crests you can immediately make a 424. A 437 requires 3 Wyrm crests.
opaque quest
You need 4 Aspect Crests (minimum of 5 timed +16s) to make a 447 item. Without c...
3 not 4? For 437
median tulip
4
haughty sentinel
Aha. And like in S1 these are recraftable later?
median tulip
Oh for 437, 3 Wyrm. I think. It's a long time since I cared about Wyrm crests
haughty sentinel
Ie I can craft the lower one first.
opaque quest
yeah same thats why im asking
median tulip
Aha. And like in S1 these are recraftable later?
Yes, you can make a 424 and later upgrade it as many times as necessary
opaque quest
Thought its always 4
median tulip
You want Haste/Crit for sure.
Embellishment... shrug
I put Shadowflame Patch on mine, you might not want to
I checked. 3 Wyrm Crests:
opaque quest
I put Shadowflame Patch on mine, you might not want to
Im using 2 shadowflames too
stuck basin
would not use wyrm crests for crafting on fresh char
jagged pier
yes if i had them
proper roost
yeah wyrm crests wasted on crafting is not the play
unless you really arent gonna do 16s
which maybe ig
my warrior is the only character getting a vault this week 👍
lavish sphinx
Was OP thinking the lock was in the wrong here?
blazing condor
warlock should reroll tank and play his own routes
even if its pulling too small its only a 20 so does it really matter you can just W anyway
lavish sphinx
For some groups yeah. For most groups, nah
jagged pier
no ppl think route matters in a 20 when thats just incorrect
i timed all mine months ago by pressing W before u had these TGP/m+ or streamer routes
that ppl think u must do to time keys
like i timed a 20 nels before chains were a thing
then had ppl insist it was required
daring marlin
my warrior is the only character getting a vault this week 👍
Coulda did keys with me smh
proper roost
i decided to sleep instead i was tired
daring marlin
like i timed a 20 nels before chains were a thing
same bro lol
proper roost
because i drank two beers oldge
daring marlin
I just woke up
proper roost
then i woke up at 4 am and did a key so i would have like
a 1/60 chance at a 447 chest
daring marlin
so...same? just minus booze cuz gross
daring marlin
sadge
proper roost
my friend loved it but I think i overvinegared it
idk
Kinda just yoloed some apple cider vinegar in at the end cuz it needed a little acidity and it was too much
but thursday probably! gonna make some pulled pork
should own
anyway more importantly we watched the menu, gr8 movie
marble ingot
wait we go for haste crit? damn i crafted a 447 haste vers shield and ring 😩
remote venture
That is still fine imo
marble ingot
yey ok ty haha
proper roost
Also you can always recraft
Doesnt really matter
what u originally statted
People recraft for stats all the time
proper roost
good news i'm finally done bg3 so i can push again this week @daring marlin
Just in time for tyr volcanic sanguine week
Free week
lusty tiger
Gm kanga
sick sentinel
sanguine? you mean hold back pedal?
proper roost
you should never backpedal out of sanguine
it is literally the worst way to deal with it
lime urchin
my chili con carne didn't turn out as well as I'd hoped
Add beans!
sick sentinel
well i cant drop block, and i cant put mobs in sanguine
proper roost
You strafe to move them out faster yogi
Tanks who backpedal out of sanguine suck
And dont understand mob movement mechanics
sick sentinel
SOME enemies not all
proper roost
All mob movement in wow is predictable you just dont know enough to understand it
sick sentinel
typically giants do it
proper roost
Nope all of them do, it just depends on hitbox size
sick sentinel
no, some will pyshically back up if you get too close others just sit there and mele you to death
modern brook
Will more often back up
proper roost
ok yogi
modern brook
Because the hitbox is larger
sick sentinel
like regular humanoids
proper roost
You know everything yogi
modern brook
So you walk into it more????
proper roost
u right buddy
proper roost
Yes its almost like its tied to hitbox size buddy
sick sentinel
yeah, but if i go stand on a regular sized humanoid, im pretty sure they just sit there
proper roost
Which means it is consistent, you can simply do it to all enemies by appropriately using their hitboxes
No
Wrong
All nonscripted mob movements behave the same way in all circumstances, hitboxes and what the enemy's default attack is are the only thing that change your interaction with them
and occasionally server lag
sick sentinel
hmm interesting
maybe the hitbox on giants is so large that it causes it to happen more frequently and its easier to see because its giants
but i recall watching some "how to be a better tank" video a year or 2 or 3 ago, and this was one of his points, forcing mobs to back up walk away from you
and i seem to recall he was definitely showing big monsters being done that to, and i cant remember exactly what he said about the smaller mobs.
strange lintel
is brutal vitality working properly ?
proper roost
no it's terrible
wait
i'm thinking of BSV, sorry, not BV
BV is fine, it's very similar performance to FbV
basically just take whichever you prefer but generally BV is preferred
neither affect how you play really so it doesn't really matter
proper roost
I don't know anything about that but probably, like half the prot spells have bugs
Having something be bugged doesn't make it inherently bad, however it works atm makes it perform slightly better than fbv on average. that's all that matters
shield charge is hopelessly bugged and it's like prot's best GCD cost ability fullstop
having a bug or not is wholly irrelevant
sick sentinel
vidoe is super old, but i was watching it in either 8.2 or 8.3
hardy snow
i recall it being bugged at one point so i was making sure
it still works same way, but I have no idea whether its still clasified as "bug" or as "working as intended" 
proper roost
Yogi it's almost like I literally said
MULTIPLE TIMES
the hitbox size has 100% to do with it
sick sentinel
proper roost
Can you hit a human from the same range as a giant, no, the hitbox is different
Christ almighty man
You fucking tunnel vision ass motherfucker
sick sentinel
thats where i got the information from and i was viewing it in bfa
strange lintel
okay uhm thanks ill leave you guys to it ... o/
proper roost
As long as you work the same way in the hitbox the mob movement mechanics work the exact same
I truly do not understand if you have zero reading comprehension or what
What part of that statement do you not understand
strong forum
the mobs hitbox isnt always indicated by the highlight cirlce on the floor
it varies from every single mob type
some mobs you gotta literally sniff the feet before youre actually in the hitbox of em
sick sentinel
hes talking about moving the enemies back a little bit by running into them and he says "this only really works with enemies that have a large hit box"
strong forum
and some you can attack from lightyears away
like last boss in uldaman, his hitbox is gigantic
sick sentinel
granted, its old video
proper roost
Yes the point is that is wrong. It works literally the exact same for every mob in the game, large mobs have no special rules
They never have
strong forum
^
proper roost
It's just easier because the hitbox is larger
Which is literally what I have said like fifteen times now man
sick sentinel
i thought we both said it 15 times
well shit, games down for like 5 hours probably
soft ermine
is there anything that you can cast before the key begins?
hardy snow
is there anything that you can cast before the key begins?
LS to proc tier bonus
left basalt
i think i did 1 mythic this week, F
sick sentinel
i think i did 1 mythic this week, F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJ6N6xSECQ no floppy tacos will be coming to you
happy hosetown vault everyone 🙂
strange lintel
i think i did 1 mythic this week, F
did 4.... by asking my shadowpriest friend to quene with me and i was allowed into em at the last minute 
modern brook
some mobs you gotta literally sniff the feet before youre actually in the hitbox...
if i cant sniff mobs feet idk why im playing wow tbh
proper roost
You ever notice that Rashok has no shoes on
Rashok foot fetish was one of our healer's details name during prog
modern brook
"you ever notice the sky is blue" uhhh YEAH I've seen those grippers
proper roost
Giant wigglers
median tulip
You ever notice that Rashok has no shoes on
I mean, he's been stuck in that torture device for 10,000 years
Cut the guy some slack
sick sentinel
TBF doesn't have pants or shirt on either
strange lintel
thos feet havent been washed for 10k years
sick sentinel
just gloves or bracer, belt, and shoulders/back
IMPRISONED, FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS
BANISHED FROM MY OWN HOMELAND
strange lintel
why does blizz like the 10k year like so much
feels like theres at least 4 -5 named mobs that have the same " 10k years "
modern brook
feels like theres at least 4 -5 named mobs that have the same " 10k years "
because a bunch of shit happened 10k years ago
like the wow timeline is
proper roost
bad
modern brook
"trolls n shit -> illidan stops the burning legion -> 10k years -> present"
strange lintel
eh
proper roost
well of eternity kind of an important plot point
and also they keep adding more shit
to what that caused
modern brook
i replayed wc3 campaign with the understanding that all of arthas's anakin ark was the jailers plan
ACTUALLY hang on ima take this moment to really dive in here
strong forum
Pretty sure jailer is already retconned
lusty tiger
Hell yeah
strong forum
Like all of shadowlands just pushed under the rug
modern brook
Arthus is literally anakin skywalker. That whole arc is just starwars episodes 1-3, then wrah of the lichking is literally just epsidodes 4-6. Its absurd how hard episodes 7-9 continue that with the addition of the Jailors plan.
jagged pier
let him cook
modern brook
so really the Jailor retconn is J J Abrams' fault
modern brook
cause some guy at blizzard didnt want to let the analogy die
wait
forgot who directed 9
Sorry mr gun 😦
proper roost
i replayed wc3 campaign with the understanding that all of arthas's anakin ark w...
wow this is so cursed
hardy snow
Sorry mr gun 😦
8 wasnt directed by J J neither 😛
modern brook
8 wasnt directed by J J neither 😛
I didnt watch 7 or 8
strange lintel
i replayed wc3 campaign with the understanding that all of arthas's anakin ark w...
do the actually put the jailer there at any point ?
modern brook
just 9 cause palpatine was back and i had to see that trainwreck
strange lintel
or mention em
modern brook
no its just there in the back of your head, ruining a solid story line
strange lintel
ill always laugh when they said this was a 3 part story
sick sentinel
literally delete shadowlands
strange lintel
and im like.... didnt ff14 just said they were a 3 part story a few weeks ago too
sick sentinel
completely pretend like it never existed
modern brook
when do we get to part 1 :^)
proper roost
What does "being a 3 part story" even mean
strange lintel
part 1 was wc3 i guess
part two was all of wow minus shadowlands
part 3 was shdowlands lol
proper roost
Every story can be 3 parts they got a beginning a middle and an end?? Huh??
modern brook
surely the last 2 expansions has been episode one of the wow shonen where we have to sit through character introductions for 22 minutes
proper roost
Tf is it supposed to mean
sick sentinel
blizzard chose to make dragon pcs look bad, mechagnomes to look bad, and for all of shadowlands to be bad
they actively chose to do these things
modern brook
dragon pcs look bad?
sick sentinel
playable characters
modern brook
dragon playable characterss look bad?
strange lintel
dude i legit was hoping for arthas to like flip tables at some point. ill never forget how they did him dirty lol
sick sentinel
some of the dragon npc models look pretty good, better than pc, id prefer to look like one of those buff dragons in the city
proper roost
yogi is a furry, and furries are the opposite of scalies
strange lintel
playable characters
you mean how we got multiple npcs able to race change to other races and we are stuck on like an ugly woman and a fucking elf?
proper roost
(all his characters are tauren)
proper roost
ok what race is your warrior
sick sentinel
hes literally the only taurene character i have that i can think of
proper roost
ok what race is your dk
proper roost
you've posted your dk before it's also a tauren
modern brook
convenient
proper roost
The first step to fixing your problem is admitting you have a problem
not that being a furry is a problem, I don't judge
sick sentinel
i do not roll elves and gnomes and worgen is my thing
proper roost
but not recognizing you are a furry is a problem
sick sentinel
or goblin
proper roost
be true to yourself. live your truth
sick sentinel
i will never ever play one of those races for any reason period
modern brook
thats 3 non furry races and worgen as a red herring
sick sentinel
i also dont normally play as goat either
daring marlin
furry yogi
tbh we need a bear race
idc make one
@uneven mason This guy would agree
strange lintel
time to dragons dogma till servers up ~_~
south zealot
thats not how tier lists work
sick sentinel
um, how you mean
lusty tiger
yogi that is a poop tierlist
south zealot
tier lists are supposed to follow a bell curve
lusty tiger
and forsaken are bottom
lusty tiger
male draenei shouldnt even be allowed on the list
modern brook
tier lists are supposed to follow a bell curve
are u dense?
proper roost
LMAO
sick sentinel
new tier list
south zealot
ill accept it yogi
proper roost
damn he literally demoted tauren because he was afraid to admit he is a furry
Yogi why is your warrior, the character you play 99.9999% of the time, a tauren then
if it's only A tier at best
sick sentinel
wait, my mage is mechagnome, lol, i mean, i want to like mecha gnome
south zealot
panda is dope
proper roost
pandaren actually have nice melee animations
sick sentinel
cuz human and dwarf is better but alliance only
human remove stun is the best ability in the game bar none
south zealot
human remove stun is the best ability in the game bar none
is it really
proper roost
Also cross faction everything exists now you could just play dwarf, what's stopping you
sick sentinel
yeah, cuz whenever you are stunned, typically dying
its wrong again
no panda, no gnome, no vulpera, no goblin
modern brook
Also cross faction everything exists now you could just play dwarf, what's stopp...
im scared of trying to find stuff in stormwind
sick sentinel
no, its the complete opposite for me
until mid bfa
wasnt horder
so fuck org
and fuck undercity
modern brook
yogi is just a fountain of bad takes
.
cinder nova
Org is certified lame ass. It's harder to get around in than SW by a pretty wide margin, and it's in a wasteland.
strong forum
OG is terrible
modern brook
L opinion havers
round pendant
org sucks but the portal room in stormwind is the worst thing ever invented
cinder nova
How? You go up the mage tower and you're there.
proper roost
org is extremely easy to find anything in, AND the spaces are wide open so you can fly around easily
also yeah the horde portal room is a million times better than ally portal room
cinder nova
You can fly around easily in SW what lol
sick sentinel
WRONG
proper roost
L opinions smh
round pendant
org is like 5 feet from being able to mount up, mage tower is walk to portal -> walk out tower -> mount
sick sentinel
fuck teldrassil
modern brook
OG being open? It's all literally stuck in a valley
what is a valley if not a natural bowl
are bowls closed 
sick sentinel
the goat place city wasnt all that bad besides its hard to travel tto
strong forum
Yeah to get to a different part you gotta fly through obstacle course
modern brook
u fly up
modern brook
everything in org is literally in the first 3 steps
sick sentinel
SW has actual streets and houses and stuff
modern brook
if you're leaving the main area you're literally playing classic
modern brook
YEAH like any good hub should be
sick sentinel
of all the horde cities though, origmar is the best far and away and its not even close
strong forum
My opinion > your opinion
uneven mason
tbh we need a bear race
They just need to add some grizzly/Blackbear skins for pandaren
cinder nova
And they say we got L takes.
Imagine seeing obsolescence in 90% of a subzone and saying that's good
Yeah true nom is orange
uneven mason
Ironforge is best town
Can't get lost in a circle
cinder nova
I do like me some IF
cinder nova
What killed it anyway
strong forum
sick sentinel
my reasons for ironforge being the best city is that it was literally impossible to raid in 2005
cinder nova
Shatt?
modern brook
Mountain City > rest
"its closed "
strong forum
IF used to have all portals
daring marlin
Org is certified lame ass. It's harder to get around in than SW by a pretty wide...
fax
Orgrimmar sucks
strong forum
I never said its too closed
uneven mason
If really is best town
Let's review capital cities that have never been sacked...
- Ironforge
- ...
strong forum
I said OG isn't open
daring marlin
Org is like the OG Shattrath
sick sentinel
back in my days, ironforge had the only auction houses
daring marlin
garbage
round pendant
Most of the wow races are pretty good
proper roost
obstacle course part of orgrimmar is actually what makes it really fun to fly through
they should make a dragonriding course through org
cinder nova
Ban em
daring marlin
IF is clearly the best city
proper roost
and u get shot at if you try to do it as ally
round pendant
I tried to make my tier list but it's all heavily weighted towards S and A tier
daring marlin
SW owns too
strong forum
Nah my tierlist would cause riots in here
sick sentinel
SW owns too
round pendant
dranei are S tier
sick sentinel
also this
strong forum
Cuz all horde will be listed below B tier except troll
sick sentinel
and the IF one,
round pendant
As are Dwarf and Trolls
sick sentinel
part of what made them so great
round pendant
Cuz all horde will be listed below B tier except troll
even Taurens? I'd say they're A tier at least
strong forum
Tauren are F tier
round pendant
but why
strong forum
Hate em
lusty tiger
any other future manari eredar enjoyers?
bis
round pendant
tbh I end up not really enjoying them when I play them
strong forum
Too big, ugly tmog, ugly animations
strong forum
Idc about concept
sick sentinel
unforunately, its the abilities and embodiment of a tank the cow race
strong forum
Except for dwarves
sick sentinel
a literal giant bully
round pendant
I guess most of the races are pretty dope conceptually
daring marlin
Orc is the biggest disappointment
round pendant
Just some work well ingame and others are just crippled, especially with transmog
daring marlin
They got the upright non peon stance but when you go into battle you hunch right back over like a peon
lame af
round pendant
Orc is the biggest disappointment
they need to scale orcs up 30% and fix the shoulder clipping
and fix the combat hunch
lusty tiger
combat hunch is the best part
round pendant
Arms Orc looks fucking stupid with the hunch
uneven mason
and fix the combat hunch
Get outta here combat hunch defines orcs, fix the clipping
modern brook
biggest orc issue is that its chest is so large
modern brook
that every chest piece looks like its your middle school tshirt and you really need to go shopping
daring marlin
male draenei have the best 2H animations
They stand up straight like giga chads
with barrel chests
round pendant
POSTURE CHECK
round pendant
I just don't like the hooves
modern brook
male dnaenei
round pendant
weird ass backwards legs
uneven mason
YÀaaaaa
strong forum
The update of character models removed a bunch of good stuff
Like old orc, old dwarf
They had better animations than they do now
strong forum
Idk why they removed the old model option
proper roost
prob things like armor design and clipping
sick sentinel
i would prefer race to be a much bigger choice and more impactful than 0.5% dps gain
doesn't have to be orc warrior gets a special quest and weapon rewards (a choice between 2 axes, because orcs use axe primarily)
strong forum
more impactful?
In a game with large time investment and multiplayer aspect
Having something as simple as race play a role is no longer okay
And shouldn't play a bigger one that it does in certain parts of the game
If you want races to be properly impactful play classic
Different races get different bonuses for certain weapon types, tauren also get larger melee range
proper roost
even worse in vanilla tbh since leveling is giga time consuming and race changes dont exist
modern brook
vanilla worked cause orc was good
lusty tiger
with windfury
proper roost
i don't know from any first hand experience myself, i wouldn't play vanilla even if a gun was pointed to my head
lusty tiger
vanilla raiding is a cult addiction
sick sentinel
the cult never dies
like in rise of the triad, we thought oscuro was dead..... twice..... nope.....
2023 remake few weeks ago..... hes alive.....
strong forum
even worse in vanilla tbh since leveling is giga time consuming and race changes...
But also mattered less cuz the content is a fucking joke
proper roost
i mean
jagged pier
tell that to classic players
lusty tiger
melee need weapon skill one way or another
proper roost
I dislike the content and everything around it, but I think that's a fairly disingenuous take at best
people are valid for liking what they like
🤷
plush tendon
we need to clear 1 second faster
have you seen my trash parses?
proper roost
and it is obviously way different from what most retail players like and thats fine
strong forum
we need to clear 1 second faster
Classic is way more competetive than what retail make out of it
Cuz there's nothing else to do
lusty tiger
damn I did league arena as garen without his ult
why ):
strong forum
Besides speedrun raid
sick sentinel
garen = arms warrior fantasy
daring marlin
why ):
I got the power that boosts you without ult
giga dam and cdr
I just went full lethality and crit
melted hoes
jagged pier
oh i know my bad ass guild in classic started to require world buffs to clear content we had already cleared
jagged pier
so i insta quit
proper roost
i mean i just think its weird to bash them about it
daring marlin
full crit jeweled gauntlet is super fun on garen too
proper roost
so u dont like that gameplay so what lol
jagged pier
i do like classic i was enjoying
proper roost
i don't like retail pvp but i don't invalidate people having fun w it
lusty tiger
you cant require wbuffs but you should want to get them for the big city crittys... nothing like rend on an orc warrior w windfury in a hunter feral group
proper roost
idk
jagged pier
i dont want to waste 4hours of my day getting world buffs
to then not play my char
because u waste the buff times
to clear content
we had already cleared
lusty tiger
you shouldnt have to, but it does make it a lot more fun when you do
uneven mason
you shouldnt have to, but it does make it a lot more fun when you do
Wasting 4 hours is fun
jagged pier
and again the guild was a casual guild or thats what they said
lusty tiger
Wasting 4 hours is fun
doing more damage than the t5 warriors was
crude notch
Are we flaming people for having fun in a video game again.
uneven mason
i dont want to waste 4hours of my day getting world buffs
This right here is why I noped hard on classic, because I couldn't find any guilds that were not drinking this idiotic koolaid
proper roost
Are we flaming people for having fun in a video game again.
yeah but classic players so it's legal i think
(i don't think this is legal but i'm not gonna bother dying on this hill today)
lusty tiger
it worked a lot better during the height of covid
jagged pier
This right here is why I noped hard on classic, because I couldn't find any guil...
well yer thats why i joined them even asked will i be required to get world buffs when they come out they told me no then 1 week into world buff patch
uneven mason
Yup
jagged pier
announcement in discord 'you are all now expected to get world buffs'
plush tendon
it worked a lot better during the height of covid
I miss Covid... that April 2020 was a magical time
lusty tiger
there was no traffic where i live for like 2 years
plush tendon
so many keys
strong forum
Covid changed nothing about my life
strong forum
Not in the slightest
proper roost
kinda same but it made my work commute easier
plush tendon
there was no traffic where i live for like 2 years
bro, I need people to start going back to working from home
plush tendon
just clear the roads my guy
lusty tiger
i turned in every project for college 1-2 weeks late
strong forum
I went to work like normal, woke up like normal. Slept like normal
jagged pier
i got a job so i couldnt play games all day 
jagged pier
that was literally me XD
sick sentinel
only thing it changed for me is had to wear mask for year or 2 didnt care to
strong forum
I wouldn't classify this as change in anyone's life
sick sentinel
only part of covid that can fuck right off imo is they started putting all the 1 way arrows in shops
like, what, i have to go this one direction only and then be in a mask and then be 6 feet behind, like, a bit arbitrary
lusty tiger
i dont get it
lusty tiger
to be fair places had occupant limits that were way lower so it was probably much easier for the worker to see
strong forum
also less chance of smelly people
lusty tiger
ur smelly
strong forum
i aint
lusty tiger
: D
strong forum
prisma crane
like, what, i have to go this one direction only and then be in a mask and then ...
when scrutenized after the fact, nearly all of the decisions were arbitrary
dusky canopy
crude notch
Something something right wing nutjobs the sequel something something
crude notch
<:ratge:890357732543168594>
GM BREW HOW ARE YOU SWEETIE PIE
dusky canopy
Todays a good day
It’s like a breath of fresh air I don’t feel the need to push score anymore
crude notch
Poggies
dusky canopy
Hmm I’m thinking I’ll start hunting for a Sunday/Monday guild to trial in this week
How is your day Jordan?
fierce cradle
Neltharus, Wardens, HOW TO?!
cycle cds and not dead after that time, after that starts bringing in 700k slashes
modern brook
Find better dps
modern brook
If you're finishing a cd cycle and they're still alive the pull was either absolutely scuffed in some way or there isn't enough dps going out
Or u didn't actually cycle properly
fierce cradle
is there timers for those? cause my addons inst showing, so i kinda have to keep cds cyclin almost from start
my dbm and weakaura pack doesnt show
dusky canopy
Yes theirs a WA that puts a mobs spell cooldowns on the nameplate
Search “spell cooldowns on nameplates” on wago
I’m mobile or id link you to it
modern brook
Smh mobile users
strong forum
is there timers for those? cause my addons inst showing, so i kinda have to keep...
you can SW -> spellblock -> spellblock -> spellblock -> maybe SW again
but they should never see the light of dawn to get to a 5th cast
let alone 4th
can also rotate demo shouts and spell reflects
blazing slash CD is 18sec
fierce cradle
okay, thanks!
fierce cradle
i think he ment spell reflect
remote venture
🧠
strong forum
or was it 12sec CD
fierce cradle
well spell block is 30sec so neither ways theres going to be only 2 slashes
strong forum
not sure on the CD part
proper roost
i am using my brain
crude notch
Smh
proper roost
U can always kite anyway
proper roost
the first pull, u should be kiting - only cds u need are during the chains
strong forum
sometimes delayed cuz of spellqueue
proper roost
then its inefficient to hold them still to kill so kite them into next pack
south zealot
kiting is for noobs
proper roost
Second time u pull wardens, unless its bolster week (even if it is tbh), its inefficient to facetank the wardens by themselves after bird dies
south zealot
i face tank everything
strong forum
you kill em with chains anyway in high keys
proper roost
so just go next pacj
strong forum
you pull first wardens to the right, do chain pull
2nd wardens with bird you stack up, go to chain and blow up there aswell
and just kill bird
daring marlin
I miss Covid... that April 2020 was a magical time
disgusting
proper roost
knotty vortex
are we going haste crit. or haste verse all the way
proper roost
generally haste crit is preferred for keys but you can sim yourself, dps is p much the only thing that matters to optimize for with secondaries
sick sentinel
on 3rd try for crafting ring, keeps coming up as 443
proper roost
it has taken me no more than 3 tries for any item
good people are blessed w good rng
🙏
modern brook
good people are blessed w good rng
floor buff is real tho
easiest way to craft is send the request then jump to your death
has not failed me yet
crude notch
I
proper roost
i obsessively stand next to the mailbox to resend the request tbh
sick sentinel
if you go to the work order platfrom
and summon molle
it disspears within like 3 frames
rrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
have to actually walk to mailbox causing the order screen to close
toxic cloak
Anyone got the simc text to verify which resonance to go with?
plush tendon
Prob if by yourself haste
If other people have it, coordinate to maximize buffs, with like haste>crit>vers>mastery as your prio
torn gulch
It seems that the so-called developer update was this
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23988132/wowcast-developer-chat-a-look-at-classic-hardcore
what a joke
crude notch
No one that did the math expected 10.2 stuff this week
strong forum
huh
crude notch
You have no one to blame but yourself if you expected 10.2 news to come this week with the Dev update.
strong forum
ah
yeah nah
nobody would expect 10.2 news lol
we get 10.2 news once it hits PTR
not before
and that wont start until 10.1.7 is live
plush tendon
I would imagine not till after labor day
people prob taking the last bit of summer for some time off
plush tendon
Summer is my busy work season
crude notch
Nah we'll still get the PTR before 10.1.7 drops
plush tendon
the faster we get into the fall winter the happier I am
crude notch
Just like we have every other patch this expansion
plush tendon
New England Fall is goated
crude notch
We've consistently had two patches on PTR this expansion
lusty tiger
No more summer too hot!
strong forum
it was pretty sad for the past 2 months yea
lusty tiger
it was pretty sad for the past 2 months yea
Don’t be sad be mad at blizzard for screwing up d4
strong forum
another year in early access
plush tendon
move to Florida
strong forum
for the weather yes, everything else? no
modern brook
plush tendon
or I guess the European equivlient
crude notch
We had 0 snow here this past winter and that fucked my mental so hard
plush tendon
lack of snow was whack
proper roost
climate change is cool 😎
crude notch
The only white powder I had this winter was the cocaine
proper roost
yo nice name but u r an enchanter support player?? wtf lol
proper roost
choco is a certified bottom lol