Oh man foam rolling your back to crack 54 bones simultaneously, I'm pretty sure it's awful for that nerve cluster near your ass but hot damn is it ever satisfying
#protection
jagged gust
hushed cobalt
Sacrum cracks are great now, probably awful later
versed hull
Anyone know if we can mitigate as normal while d oing chains in neltharus?
like while we're channeling the chain
warm plinth
Looks like during the initial cast at least, you can. I don't see why that wouldn't be true for the actual holding the chain part?
warm plinth
I mean I didn't distrust you. I just think it's weird you can block during the cast but not while holding the chain
warm plinth
just don't die 4Head
lusty grotto
it do be like that sometimes
versed hull
I'm sorry im not too good at reading the above
can you explain what the U, M , etc stuff means? Or what im looking at
pls ^_^
warm plinth
U = Unmitigated (damage before mitigation), M = mitigated, B = Blocked, A = Absorbed
But yeah, tl;dr, you can't block or parry while holding the chain
Should be stated that unmitigated damage is not always exactly correct because some random stuff doesn't get excluded properly (e.g. rogue atrophic poison)
versed hull
So am I right in thinking between the chain activation and the ore elemetnal 1 melee is the channel of the chain here and we dont mitigate stuff but after the channel is complete we do?
lusty grotto
yes
versed hull
thanks for the explanation much appreciated o7
restive crown
healer scolded me for doing this pull in a 24 neltharus last night? is this too much for fort week?
proper roost
unless everyone is very good with defensives that is a very difficult pull to heal through on fort
lusty grotto
i did a bigger pull on a 24 on friday
proper roost
you could simply have split up the top hunters near the door
I mean
People do bigger pulls in higher keys
That's not the question
restive crown
unless everyone is very good with defensives that is a very difficult pull to he...
ah ok will just split into 2 next time
lusty grotto
the healer is smoking crack
lusty grotto
idk i did it with a pug healer too
proper roost
Only thing u can do is control slightly since chain pulls are really lenient nowadays
I dont understand what ur point is
So cuz someone does it in a 28 entire hallway, he should too, and change nothing?
Even if it bricks more of his keys than playing safer
lusty grotto
its a 24
proper roost
So is that what ur saying
lusty grotto
kanga the healer was blasting him
lusty grotto
thats not what happened
restive crown
cause i already tried 3 times, maybe i am doing it wrong too, so i am unsure lol
lusty grotto
he specifically said the healer told him off
proper roost
ok so u want him to just keep doing it
for a 4th time
Surely eventually a healer will be able to heal through it
lusty grotto
he should be comunicating the route beforehand sure
warm plinth
idk...that's a lot of hunters and I feel like even 2 hunters leaping on one person at that level is a death
proper roost
It is
Youre entirely dicerolling that dps can press defensives
and healer is simultaneously good enough
warm plinth
Its probably not a pull I'd do in a pug, at any rate
proper roost
Thats more spike dmg than a triple chargath stack
restive crown
ok noted, no wonder the "wtf tank"
proper roost
Its just pointless to say Ive done bigger
warm plinth
Thats more spike dmg than a triple chargath stack
you're a triple chargath stack
gottem
proper roost
Other ppl have done bigger
so fucking what lol
if guy is struggling on the pull u can split it up
warm plinth
MDI PEOPLE DID IT, I CAN TOO
lusty grotto
im not mdi people
proper roost
Thats not a tank pull anyway, tanks dont get to have input on how hard that pull is
None of them do tank dmg
its entirely on healer and dps
warm plinth
Yeah, all the tank damage there is avoidable besides melees
proper roost
So its stupid to make any judgements about its difficulty if u dont heal
lusty grotto
i think youre making too many assumptions
warm plinth
Like what
proper roost
Literally ur only job there is to hold aggro and not have healer die to threat because they have to do like 300k hps
lusty grotto
if the route was communicated beforehand
the healer should have said something beforehand
proper roost
Ok so maybe open with that then instead of being unconstructive
warm plinth
How does that help when a dps gets comboed by 2 of the 8 or w/e hunters in that pull
lusty grotto
KANGA
warm plinth
How do you heal through that
lusty grotto
THE HEALER WAS THE ONE TALKING SHIT TO HIM
proper roost
Obviously the healer did not know the route
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Yeah that sounds like an issue with the tank not communicating. Because he'd have no reason to "wtf tank" if he knew it was coming
lusty grotto
????
proper roost
Its extremely bad take to just go backwards and talk about something that clearly didnt happen
Yea so maybe ur first answer is "did u tell the group the route" instead of "I've done that pull ez"
Which is what u did
warm plinth
But again, I still think it's a very dangerous pull because it's too easy to get RNGed there
proper roost
which is utterly unconstructive
lusty grotto
because the way he was asking about it, it seemed he meant if it was doable
proper roost
Not your purview
warm plinth
idk, anyway
lusty grotto
jesus fuck
warm plinth
You can try it w/ communication
But if it still doesn't seem to be working then I'd trim it down some
proper roost
That would be a bad question and a bad answer even if that had been the question
Since "can u do it" is literally always yes
restive crown
oh problem is i am the one who died, i will link the log, thinking maybe there would b no problem if i did the pull right
proper roost
U can pull the entire hallway as a 430 tank almost none of them HIT you
restive crown
i keep dying after pulling the last 2 hunter near boss, when walking/leaping back through the corridor to the chain outside boss room
restive crown
ahhh cause my hp was dropping, should js wait and stay for heals first before going again eh
lusty grotto
yeah you should wait
proper roost
No I mean... ur kiting for the first 20 seconds
U dont take damage
u wall when you get the guys in chargaths room and come back because then ur walking back into like 20 mobs
lusty grotto
just take it slow just in case
restive crown
u wall when you get the guys in chargaths room and come back because then ur wal...
ok notedf
dont know if i should try it again, or timer is lenient enuf to split it into 2 pulls?
lusty grotto
what ive done is
on pull 1
try to pull as much as you can from the room
youre pulling miniboss so might as well grab a few packs
tell your dps to be patient
so you reduce the pull size when you come back
it doesnt work every time, certainly didnt for the 24 i did
but its a good idea
but i wouldnt split it
you gain too much time if you do it correctly
proper roost
The main problem with splitting is chain usage (as in they will be on cd)
Just tell the group ur doing it first
and dont charge back into 20 mobs with no cds
lusty grotto
if you can do something like this
restive crown
so the big problem is i dont have shield wall when walking back to the 20 mobs? or did i take way more backhits than i should too?
lusty grotto
into first chain
proper roost
does m+ augvoker take time spiral
warm plinth
Why don't you do pull 1 (smaller), then go to Magmatusk, then chain pull 2, then boss, then chain pull 3?
Yeah I think Nim's pull is a lot more realistic, and a lot less hunters than doing that whole section together
restive crown
let me link my current route
warm plinth
4 instead of like 9
lusty grotto
ideally this is what you want
warm plinth
That's pretty much what I do
lusty grotto
with pull 1 being the 1st one, and green pull being after mamga
restive crown
splitting it into 3
warm plinth
Pull 1 is a really small chain pull
lusty grotto
yeah i mean
youre also doing commander
which you can skip
and snap lavabearers into bird, but that ones fucking risky
ive been thinking about it lately
warm plinth
You can also leave up a hunter or w/e in barracks and do the wardens/bird into the chain at the beginning after forgemaster
Still have to kill the bird but wardens still get hit
restive crown
ya trying to do a pug-safe way... but looks like i should take out some mobs out of pull 6 and bring to pull 1
lusty grotto
yeah
warm plinth
Doc hains still work on the lava guys? I assume not right?
restive crown
You can also leave up a hunter or w/e in barracks and do the wardens/bird into t...
ya i do that now
restive crown
Doc hains still work on the lava guys? I assume not right?
i dont think so
lusty grotto
no it doesnt
restive crown
thanks for the input guys
lusty grotto
if you can clear as many hunters as you can on pull 1
its way more lenient for the healer
warm plinth
Pull 1 is definitely safer to pull more hunters on too if you're using outside chain
lusty grotto
hunters are the real problem on chain pulls
warm plinth
Because everyone can los and then when the pull comes they pop their defensives
warm plinth
restive crown
Pull 1 is definitely safer to pull more hunters on too if you're using outside c...
ohh i usually use the inside one, cause sometimes the warden do the frontal on the corridor 🥲
when i am about to run back out
lusty grotto
you can do any of them
warm plinth
I don't pull wardens over to the first pull until after 1st slash; that way they do volcanic guard on the way over while I'm already inside gathering
lusty grotto
i do the outside chains tbh, but
warm plinth
Makes the timing a lot better imo
lusty grotto
it might be worth going inside
cause what happens usually is that people just send chains before the dumbass mini boss comes over so he doesnt die
restive crown
LOL
lusty grotto
but going back to lavabearers... they are my biggest peeve, they are in an awkward position
lusty grotto
if you skip commander, you have to snap em to make it efficient or just vanish/invis/meld skip em
or just do them and waste so much time upstairs
warm plinth
I think the last Neltharus I did (was like a 22 I think), the tank did the right flares w/ commander + lavabearers, then the other 2 flares w/ the 3 pack
Wasn't terrible
lusty grotto
i certainly have done commander + them and flares
i just have to check if you waste time or not
its a good lust spot too
warm plinth
I learned in that run that you can skip the last pack before final boss without any type of skip thing (shroud/soothe/etc)
I had no idea
warm plinth
Yeah we skipped that as well
He was like a 3.2k tank, super chill dude
We did like a 16 then a 19 with his DK and then he got on his druid for the 22 lol
yuge guardian
lusty grotto
nice
warm plinth
Better than the 3k druid I had the other day who was a huge douche
lusty grotto
the duality of man
warm plinth
And kept doing very pug unfriendly pulls and wouldn't give up even if we wiped to them
lusty grotto
i had one like that on a chipadin VP
guy wanted to pull this shit on a 20
i was like huh
warm plinth
Holy shit
lusty grotto
he kept saying "no kicks"
warm plinth
There is zero shot any pug I've ever been in would survive that
lusty grotto
no shit no kicks there's 4 casters what the fuck
this was on the previous fort week
warm plinth
big monkas
lusty grotto
guy was huffing some paint
warm plinth
We had a paladin tank in like a 16 (mage alt key) pull the 4 assassins w/ the 2nd dragon and then tank it all in the circle
lusty grotto
oh yeah
warm plinth
Assassins were legit still 100% HP after dragon died. Totally worth.
lusty grotto
that druid did that shit too
warm plinth
I have done the 4 assassins w/ the bridge pull if the group has proven good at CC til then though
lusty grotto
we finished the key, timed, but he was an asshole through and through even after the wipe on that first pull and the numerous random shit pulls he did
warm plinth
Yeah the 3k druid actually made me leave a fucking underrot of all things
violet flume
lol
lusty grotto
he chained those after the adepts were dead
lusty grotto
sorry thats wrong here you go
warm plinth
violet flume
why no kicks
warm plinth
Can we all agree that the servant charge is the most pointless mechanic in any dungeon this season though
lusty grotto
and blasting the group for no goddamn reason
lusty grotto
i was sweating it off on chipadin
violet flume
let the rallying cries go through
lusty grotto
you know that meme of the guy hitting keys sweating?
violet flume
more dps uptime for meters padding
warm plinth
yeah lol
lusty grotto
that was me, and i assume the other 2 dps and the heals
cause we still timed after all that garbage
warm plinth
I actually did a route once that skipped that 2nd to last pack. Was kinda nice
lusty grotto
oh i skip that usually
violet flume
id skip it but you need invis or soothe right
warm plinth
A lot of pug tanks skip the 2nd dragon
Nope
You go down the left side and hug the edge
lusty grotto
hug left or right yea
warm plinth
You have to pull the other 2 pack of assassins by 1st dragon and the 1st star pack though
To have enough count
lusty grotto
usually when i do VP i ask heals whats easier for him to heal and i present him the only 3 options: dragon, stars, or double adept
so depending on what they answer i adjust
warm plinth
Yep, that's exactly what I do when I tank. My normal healer much prefers the dragon to the other options lol
So we either skip the stars or the double adept
warm plinth
If you have priest you can also just dominate mind one of the adepts and do it w/ last pack
lusty grotto
and dragon can be absolutely insane in high fort
warm plinth
Gives free healing too
warm plinth
I did it once on my priest and would just take melees to the face as I was castinig dominate
lusty grotto
lol
warm plinth
But I only do like 20s at most on alts so it was fine
tranquil drift
As a healer main as long as you don't pull dragon + assassins at the same time I'm happy :D
stars I'm not sure, it feels like they can randomly fuck a dps depending on rng
I always have to pop a cd to make sure that doesn't happen
proud tide
jagged gust
I'm not good and pull very conservatively so I generally sit around 90k +/- 10 depending on dungeon
but even that is gonna fluctuate depending on auggies in the group
echo egret
Anyone has some videos of these enormous Neltharus chain pulls ? I’m genuinely wondering in which order you use charge/leap/etc. to avoid being hit.
echo egret
Yes I’ve seen that one. He’s using a potion of gusts.
crude notch
ok?
jagged pier
he might be using because u cant do it with just charge leap
or its easier to gather all thos mobs with it
echo egret
Yeah I’ve reduced the size of the first chain pull and still it’s heavily RNG
warm plinth
Remember when we had skystep potions : ')
echo egret
So I was wondering if there was a perfect order for charge/leap. Especially for the first two wardens.
crude notch
I'm so confuse
you also have this.
Two different approaches for ya
And if doing what was done in a +28 or doing what was done in a +29 doesn't work for you... then well, I got bad news.
echo egret
Side note : that last pull doesn’t work anymore since the mobs on the left are immuned to chains now.
crude notch
Ok?
echo egret
I forgot to mention I’m almost exclusively pugging. A priest grip like that 29 is not possible 🙂
crude notch
Hear let's practice something
Repeat after me
"Hey priest, can you grip me back after I grab the mobs on the X side?"
Almost anything is possible if you community
What key level are you pugging this nelth?
jagged pier
im sorry if your trying to so that in a 20-21 range just stop
theres literally no reason
to do that
echo egret
I cut it in half myself
Not pulling anything from the room (bar the birds) or maybe the named guy if he’s in a perfect position
jagged pier
right okay let me rephrase, i cant sepak for 22-23 range but in 20-21 theres no reason to pull around the chains at all
as it timeable without chains
echo egret
I know that
(well try not using chains in any 20 pug, you’ll get flamed but hey)
But as w
crude notch
Bro at this rate, I'm not even sure what you're asking anymore, we're far from where we started.
echo egret
Ok, nvm then
crude notch
We started at "anyone has some videos for Nelth pulls" I posted videos, you didn't like them.
"I'm looking for what order to do charge/leap" which are in the videos, but you didn't like them.
"I'm looking for how to live this pull" which...
is also in the video
echo egret
I never said I didn’t like them
echo egret
Actually not as both of them go left first. But I give up.
crude notch
Here's what Sense did defensively at the start of that pull. #protection message
Here you go, here's someone that goes your way https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T3P9yFw1dVM8Zk2x#fight=1&view=replay
Nope nvm
That log is this week though
Here ya go. someone that does do half of what you have highlighted first then they go left. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WV39mwNrvfRGbJtp#fight=1&view=replay
This one also starts right then goes left for magmatusk. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mkD4Hvw6XyWNjA2g#fight=1&view=replay
That's all I'm willing to go over, I've looked through like 10 of them. Here's a list you can go through. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/34#boss=12519&leaderboards=1&class=Warrior&spec=Protection&affixes=767
@echo egret
Beyond 2 videos, a verbal explanation, and 4 logs though, I can't help ya
echo egret
thank you for that research
jagged pier
lavish sphinx
Stolen from Reddit btw
haughty sentinel
ello. returning player. setting up binds. Do i ever WW as prot?
jagged pier
no
haughty sentinel
ty
primal crypt
How good is prot warrior for keys
hazy bronze
Very
lime urchin
S-tier, just below druid
haughty sentinel
i mean i know tier lists are meme level content and everyone has own (often very biased) opinions. But just casual google/youtube/IV/wowhead has prot quite low down compared to other tanks.
thoughts?
just to claify tier lists have zero impact on what spec i have ever chosen to play
just interested
lime urchin
idk, just play whatever spec that sparks you joy
or play a meta spec to get insta invites in pugs
unless you gonna do +26s I dont think it matter much other than community perception and easy invites in pugs
haughty sentinel
indeed. my spec choice defined by fun factor + connection to character - just interested in why above people are saying S tier while the internet says C tier.
jagged pier
i mean depends how they get there information
most of the tier lists u see online are just popularity contest
literally just scrub logs
they give no insight past that
wowhead one is written by 1 person it looks like
might be knowledge able about all tanks in general but u cant play all at max lvl consistently u can play to a very high standard but things you'll think cant be done on some classes will actually be possible u just dont push enough to tell
youtube just dont ever trust that
99% of the time u can see form the footage they actually they are playing the spec wrong
like everyone saying warrior was bad in SLs yet all the footage they showed was of them overcapping rage and having 2 stacks of SB and definatly not playing the spec correctly
u cant trust tier lists is the long and short of it they are easy clicks for easy money
all tanks are around about equal for keys right now just damage and a few small things make druid a better tank than the rest
and all tanks have niches like warrior in tgp was subbed in for high NL keys because we are stronger there as spell reflect is a thing
haughty sentinel
interesting insight ty
jagged pier
yes there will always be a meta and therefore ppl think there is a best tank but thats literally a top .1% problem
but for some reason ppl think its effects their weekly 20
or 25
or 27
even tho all tanks have timed multiple 27s
and it only matters are the very very very top end
lusty tiger
Gm jakey
lusty tiger
My side of the earth has spun that far yet
lusty tiger
XD
waxen frigate
even though its afternoon
The fuck are you a time traveler?
daring marlin
https://tenor.com/view/hmm-yes-quite-right-xwolfian-gif-22072028
love this lol
sick sentinel
AND IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, I'LL KICK YOU OUTTA THE FUCKING GUILD!!!! - 50dkp minus guy
dont have reason to log on wow till tomorrow now, only things i can do is wq's and turn in obisdian key., maybe feast.
uneven mason
like everyone saying warrior was bad in SLs yet all the footage they showed was ...
Triggered by memories, thanks.
sick sentinel
i must have deleted my SL videos
uneven mason
i must have deleted my SL videos
Pretty sure we've all taken steps to delete SL from our memories
sick sentinel
like, i literal had recorded and uploaded a video of PF
far as i remember
no idea why its deleted
dusky canopy
Do bears shit in the woods?
uneven mason
Bears shit where they want
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXoWTyK5MA&list=PLh8JbyYtwSXD2tZxVgdgUTHEl5fcBYlJu this is 2 free holds i did one right after the other, has a link to log in description.
ran one, then like, 5 minutes later, ran the other
sometimes, not always, like to put some audio behind it, some 30 minute youtube video or AI presidents, or random weird music
dusky canopy
The cartman ai voice is pretty good
dusky canopy
Your upload time?
sick sentinel
yeah, the name of the yt video look at it
how the fuck (i changed the video titles to properly reflect what they are)
sick sentinel
FH good cuz non linear-ish and good amount of challenging
it never has an absurd amount of difficulty
daring marlin
FH slaps it’s grown on me this season,
Missed a 23uld yesterday by 13 seconds
broooooooooooooo
That's some shit!
dusky canopy
Roughly the dps was like this:
I did 216k
Spriest did 150k
BRM did 110k
Aug did 40k
Hpal did 18k
We had 5 deaths I think?
modern brook
We had 5 deaths I think?
5 deaths no wipes?
sick sentinel
im just cookin dumb ass shit here, but should an outlaw or sub rogue be sort of like a "support" type spec
modern brook
No
sick sentinel
like, rogue doing things helps melee players, dunno what you'd do for magic users, probably mage but warlock and priest woudl also want it too is what im saying
lime urchin
How the fuck do you not time by not enough dps
Maybe smoll pulls
haughty sentinel
does intimidating shout always flee? or is there a way to make it root mobs in place?
sick sentinel
it root fears your main target and chaos fears everything else
haughty sentinel
ty
sick sentinel
its perfect if you only have 1 target that can be hit by it and needs to be
jagged pier
no
the perfect scenario is stopping multiple casts with it
as the fear instantly breaks with dps
so mobs dont flee anyway
haughty sentinel
aha - wait do i take menace tho?
modern brook
does intimidating shout always flee? or is there a way to make it root mobs in p...
menace will make them not move; the reality is that unless your dps are asleep the fear will be broken instantly anyways
so whether they run or not is pretty moot
sick sentinel
no, not really, it should be way better and less expensive to take menace than it is
haughty sentinel
so its basically an aoe interupt
haughty sentinel
im a returning player looking at the wowhead cheat sheet - trying to work out why certain talents are taken
sick sentinel
i still dont like the ability, i prefer tauren ability or possibly high mountain tauren, may swap to that.
haughty sentinel
intervene was my jam. no way i can take it?
modern brook
you can drop IV (not rec), a CC, or pain and gain without minding too much
sick sentinel
like, i have an ability that is intimidating shout but its a stun, so they never attempt to run to begin with
lime urchin
I saw sense using intervene in a few keys I think
But it didn’t look mandatory really
haughty sentinel
im a simple man. i like go woosh
sick sentinel
no intervene no intimidating shout from me
lime urchin
Just press thunderclap and revenj and go swoosh
haughty sentinel
blood and thunder means i can remove rend from my bar?
lime urchin
Yes
sick sentinel
yes
lime urchin
Even more swoosh
haughty sentinel
ty all
sick sentinel
remove whirl wind, rend, and REGULAR slam from your bars and forget they exist entirely
shield slam is the complete opposite, only button that really matters
fervent ferry
Can you intervene brackenhide first boss?
stuck basin
like, i have an ability that is intimidating shout but its a stun, so they never...
but stun is on dr with other party stuns like shami totem monk sweep wl stun etc ... so you can only stun 3 times any pack aoe and fear is another aoe disrupt ignoring that stun dr
haughty sentinel
ty im sorting my bars and this is all very helpful
sick sentinel
but stun is on dr with other party stuns like shami totem monk sweep wl stun et...
true, i just learned in 2004 that fear is not a reliable cc, ever
i never ever trust fear as a cc
not in a billion years
haughty sentinel
q=ss
e=TC
r=reveng
f=Execute
tab=block
caps=Ignore Mechanics
thats the core right?
sick sentinel
last option period for me besides mc, mc has potential to go horrible if it gets loose later
i would use ANY cc period before mc and fear if i have control
strong forum
pretty much the core
obv lots more buttons
besides just core rotation
idk how to feel about rebinding tab tho
unless you absolutely never utilise or want to tab target
jagged pier
yer thats a yikes
haughty sentinel
i tab target with mousewheel.
strong forum
aight
haughty sentinel
forward and back
jagged pier
your poor camera
haughty sentinel
ss on q, block on tab. its not the craziest setup right
strong forum
Keybinds are a demon everybody has to deal with on their own
sick sentinel
your poor camera
i don't like my camera moving, so i have it set to uhhh i think its uh shift + numpad -key is zoom out and ctrl is zoom in
strong forum
It's just something that you just wing
sick sentinel
i hate camera doing crap i don't tell it to
strong forum
You can have a method to it, but most people just gradually build their own piano as they need more buttons over the years
Muscle memory takes care of the rest
hazy bronze
i tab target with mousewheel.
Clever
dusky canopy
5 deaths no wipes?
No wipes just a tank death on a trash pull that resulted in 3 deaths total and then used 2 BRs on fire boss
Tab target is so good honestly
It’ll tend to smart tab to a cast if there’s only one cast
blazing condor
If it works it works
Its very hard to have objectively bad keybinds
As long as you can move around its good
plush tendon
one thing I know some people do is swap their movement keys from WASD to ESDF; its super awkward at first, but it opens up a couple of more easy to hit keys
chilly brook
Reached act 3 last night @strong forum
Man Act 2 became a roller coaster
I’m loving the damn game man so good
soft ermine
Does anyone have any good macros for prot warrior?
jagged pier
if your looking for macros to reduce keybinds
that arent any
if u want useful ones
there are a few
strong forum
primarily the ones linked in the pins
sullen gust
Does anyone have any good macros for prot warrior?
If you run intervene I'd recommend making a macro with it and charge, if you're targeting an enemy you charge, if not you'll intervene to your friendly target. Saves a keybind and there's no downside. I think not many people are running it atm but hey better to know for if it comes in useful. If nothing else it's fun to use for spell reflecting chain lightning effects like on Asaad.
Currently I macro last stand with Avatar too because why not, lines it up if I've forgotten to cast it separately tho idk if thats a recommended thing to macro
waxen orbit
First 29% P3 pull on M Nelth
And I end the pull with a 100 parse doing the same damage as a brew with 73 parse
Bring it back
mighty valley
just give us a 1pt talent called "banner, i guess" that just gives us 24% strength
steel bramble
Quick Question how good is Protection Warrior against the bombs on Zskarn?
modern brook
pwar prob worst bomb tank
waxen orbit
P bad because it’s all fire dam
But I also haven’t tanked the fight so that is purely bro-science speculation based on similar encounters I’ve done
steel bramble
P bad because it’s all fire dam
are you sure? I though its physical
sand drum
<:whyisthisgood:742631092229767220>
would be more fun been thinking about it too :<
mighty valley
yeah the dot is v bad. overall, worst pwar fight in a hot minute
waxen orbit
Banner was the closest thing to spec Darwinism we will ever get
steel bramble
yea then a drud is better?
steel bramble
easy thx for your feedback^^
waxen orbit
That’s not saying FOTM reroll because play what you enjoy but bear does just do everything other tanks do but better rn
steel bramble
i wont reroll XD we need a backup tank and we have the option between a drud and me
waxen orbit
Depends heavily on skill but bear requires infinitely less to be a solid option
Really up to you and your decision of what is better for your comp and what you contribute more on
If you can do solid, high damage on a DPS spec, that's probably gonna contribute more to the group, from a purely clinical perspective, if you got a bear tank to step in
crude notch
Why are we saying Druid is best raid tank right now when that's totally false
waxen orbit
But again, really just up to you
You can play p much any spec in raid
And still get CE
If you just play it properly
daring marlin
Why are we saying Druid is best raid tank right now when that's totally false
gm jordan
crude notch
gm how are you?
chilly brook
i hate finishing good things
Well then you get to start a new play through, it seems SUPER reactive in terms of how much freedom you have
jagged pier
i already have plans for more playthroughs
but imma take a break when im done with playthrough 1
timber terrace
Why are we saying Druid is best raid tank right now when that's totally false
If bear was in the current state at the start of the patch we'd probably have seen some in the rwf, they're overtuned for the raid too even if they don't have spellward and could force you to run a non tank monk
crude notch
No.
strong forum
Well then you get to start a new play through, it seems SUPER reactive in terms ...
im not very good in replaying games, huge part of the fun is exploration for the first time, if i know whats happening or coming its not nearly as interesting and will just turn into combat speedrun
but yeah the game has 17000 different endings so
yeah
chilly brook
im not very good in replaying games, huge part of the fun is exploration for the...
Well in fairness that's kinda where stuff like The Dark Urge comes in
plush tendon
If bear was in the current state at the start of the patch we'd probably have se...
yea naw; maybe you see one, but you ran Prot Paladin cause of their util is invaluable and brew cause monk buff is hard to get with MW and WW not being all that strong
no space for a bear in RWF
strong forum
Well in fairness that's kinda where stuff like The Dark Urge comes in
my run is already half of a genocide run, all of act2 we had to do without traders to sell shit or quests cuz uhm every NPC was dead
timber terrace
echo ran a mistweaver and balance druid was a mediocre spec too
crude notch
Bear would not have been brought.
plush tendon
what does bear provide in the raid?
crude notch
Stop it.
plush tendon
that helps kill bosses
chilly brook
I already know there's like at least 3 other ways to go about Act 2 that I'm interested in
strong forum
tank choice for RWF is as following:
- raid buff (bshout / mystic touch / chaos brand)
- cheese potential /utility (Grips/AMS/Spellward/Bubble/Bop/roar(every druid brings that))
- dmg output
- survivabiltiy
in that order usually
timber terrace
it's insanely tankier than the rest of the tanks and it does more damage, just on sark it would have saved top guilds a lot of pulls where the tanks just die, overall in every raid for decades the strongest tanks specs have been brought the utility has been a secondary factor unless it's something really mandatory like spellward in this raid
the top guilds brought double prot warrior in voti early on
plush tendon
100% agree
blood felt much better in VoTI
but I love my warrior so we played that till I got all-totem
strong forum
bear being tanky doesnt matter, bear dmg can only be done if you outgear the content or dont actively tank alot
plush tendon
strong forum
when you can have BDK being ENTIRELY self reliant + able to ignore 90% of raid mechanics + grips
plush tendon
ignoring broodkeeper debuff was wicked strong
strong forum
bear, just like pwar (except rally/bshout) will only be brought if its BROKEN
which is uh
plush tendon
though, I will say.... bear does bring a raid buff
strong forum
unlikely
crude notch
And "insanely tankier" is full cap
strong forum
yea
crude notch
Raid is not m+
timber terrace
they just realised too late bdk could piss on the raid but still the point is top guilds bring the strongest tank
strong forum
which is baffling
plush tendon
raid teams bring the tanks that can deal with the mechs the best; this raid its prot paladin
and brew/blood to a extent
but thats only for RWF.... at this point, can play whatever you want
timber terrace
bear has insane tools for raiding too if you look at the tree it's not a raze /maul spam spec that can't do anything else, you have baseline over 1m hp, can have short cd regens that heal for twice your hp, a 34 seconds 30% dr, perma high stacks of ironfur
strong forum
surv is exceedingly rarely a thing in raid tanking
and bear isnt that insane in a raid environment
crude notch
bear has insane tools for raiding too if you look at the tree it's not a raze /m...
You're aware you had most of that at the start of the tier right?
timber terrace
i'd argue it's always the thing for rwf, like every top guild brought a prot paladin early on in sepulcher and swapped to bdk because prot pala just wasn't tanky enough
crude notch
Lol
strong forum
they swapped off of paladin cuz the neat thing called BDK tierset hotfix came through
which made BDK do 40% more dmg than other tanks 🙂
crude notch
🙂
plush tendon
Heres a scenario; mythic nelth p3 tanks get the debuff that makes them take insanely more phys damage... bear has their defensives, but a prot paladin can literally divine shield the debuff off or bop themselves or thei cotank
daring marlin
honk honk
strong forum
tank balance next patch is entirely based on tierset power yeah
crude notch
Yep
strong forum
or general balance
plush tendon
they swapped off of paladin cuz the neat thing called BDK tierset hotfix came th...
wasnt Jailer early on like impossible to tank without DRW blood or even a prot warrior
I remember dem melees trucked like a mofo
daring marlin
prot pally tier this time around was a pretty big downgrade compared to last tier tbh
strong forum
wasnt Jailer early on like impossible to tank without DRW blood or even a prot w...
Jailer was borderline impossible to tank on tanks other than BDK with tierset, brew with tierset or pwar
daring marlin
especially in m+
strong forum
yeup
timber terrace
Heres a scenario; mythic nelth p3 tanks get the debuff that makes them take insa...
i mean it's hard to argue agains tprot paladin this tier but the best thing monk is bringing is not having to bring another monk spec, and this tier balance druid wasn't too hot neither so that's not a great plus over guardian
plush tendon
bdk coming through
you got my copium up
daring marlin
timber terrace
could also argue a bear with incarn up 10 stacks of ironfur spamming raze shielding himself for 300k per second is more likely to live the adds than a brew
strong forum
irrelevant
crude notch
10 stacks of ironfur AND spamming Raze.
Tell me you don't know how Bear works without telling me you don't know how Bear works.
timber terrace
that's easily doable during incarn and just because it's not necessary against normal damage doesn't mean it wouldn't be against adds that live abnormally long like they did in the rwf and caused a lot of tank deaths and wipes, but yeah whatever not feeling like talking to a wall
lusty tiger
crude notch
Jeree
lusty tiger
Yes?
haughty sentinel
Am I stance dancing between battle and def?
waxen orbit
Prot warr was goated with banner
Legit probably my favorite iteration of prot ever
Even with reprisal
I liked reprisal for the rage gen and constant ebb and flow of motion and action
200% mental engagement
I just hated
How it meant repositioning
Constantly
jagged pier
Am I stance dancing between battle and def?
no
waxen orbit
Got reminded because jailer talk
lusty tiger
Banner owned
lime urchin
My wrists still hurt from banner
hazy bronze
I miss banner
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
Can't be mokoos anymore
lusty tiger
torpid fiber
jeree, buy vegetables
crude notch
i stg i'm getting chinese this week.
south zealot
Jailer was borderline impossible to tank on tanks other than BDK with tierset, b...
and even then he still fucking owned
there were a couple clips of brews and dks getting oneshot on pull if they didnt get mitigation up immediately
was pretty funny to watch lol
south zealot
that's easily doable during incarn and just because it's not necessary against n...
the VAST majority of guilds that killed nelth early on ran a prot pally because you need 2 paladins in the raid and you didnt run a ret
well you COULD run a ret but most didnt and ran paladin
tank
u also had holy paladin bop so u could bop the first 2 in p3
crude notch
there were a couple clips of brews and dks getting oneshot on pull if they didnt...
shit like this always has me rolling. Like when Method pulled Orgozoa for the first time and Sco just got one popped off the rip
crude notch
what about your mommy?
sick sentinel
NOBODY: (says nothing at all)
bosses on tyranical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNms5rOaGlk
crude notch
:uwu:
lusty tiger
what about your mommy?
yes
lusty tiger
NOBODY: (says nothing at all)
bosses on tyranical: https://www.youtube.com/watc...
true and real
lusty grotto
Im convinced jeree has like 10 pictures of the same plate of food and just posts one or the other everyday, don't @ me
sick sentinel
nah, he AI's his food
lusty tiger
what would be the point of that?
sick sentinel
Kappa
lusty grotto
Well what's the point of posting the exact same food every day?
lusty tiger
i have received good feedback
lusty grotto
I see
lusty tiger
the people enjoy it
lusty grotto
Understood
lusty tiger
nah, he AI's his food
ai food photo bot 🤖
im a soothsayer of food craving and i predict you want: chinese food
lusty grotto
I'll snap a pic next time of the kinds we got here
lusty tiger
oh yea 😋
crude notch
jeree's daily chinese food pictures remind me I need to get chinese when I can next
thanks
daring marlin
eating out smh my head
He's perma bulking cuz he was a beanpole
our lad is gettin' thicc
daring marlin
How tall are you again?
lusty tiger
6'1
crude notch
same bestie same
modern brook
eating out smh my head
Shaking my Smh head
torn gulch
hm developer preview tommorow
10.2 announcement?
it's time too if they want to launch end of october beginning of november
dusky canopy
Nah wow 2 announcement
torn gulch
copium
dusky canopy
Bfa/SL timewalking probably
torn gulch
it's a video developer preview that is normally patch announcement
dusky canopy
crude notch
Ah yes let's release end of October. 3 days before Blizzcon. 
daring marlin
Prolly a week or two after blizzcon.
balmy canyon
Why not? If blizz is gonna insist on sticking to a week of no raid and no m+ after each patch I don't see why that week can't happen during blizzcon. That way we roll right into RWF
crude notch
...
daring marlin
🙄
crude notch
Why not? If blizz is gonna insist on sticking to a week of no raid and no m+ aft...
You're aware that the most played period of a patch is the start of a patch, not the start of a season, right?
torn gulch
they have to start ptr early otherwise we're getting a mess again
daring marlin
You're aware that the most played period of a patch is the start of a patch, not...
No 
crude notch
they have to start ptr early otherwise we're getting a mess again
Early? It'll just be normal timing for the rest of DF if it starts this week
torn gulch
was the 10.1 ptr that early?
crude notch
Yes
torn gulch
i remember it was under 2 months
south zealot
wdym again
daring marlin
Cadence been gr8
crude notch
i remember it was under 2 months
What was under 2 months?
lusty tiger
crude notch
10.1 hit ptr Mar 9th hit live May 2nd.
November 28th 10.0
Jan 24th 10.0.5
Mar 21st 10.0.7
May 2nd 10.1
July 11th 10.1.5
Sept 5th 10.1.7
Nov 7th 10.2 (Calling it)
warm plinth
Yeah I second that. Nov 7 patch, Nov 14 season/tier start
sick sentinel
its pretty cool when you see a name you recognize from the past
swear i've seen them at least 2 times in my groups
crude notch
Unless they plan on being giga ahead this week's Dev chat isn't 10.2 ptr
sick sentinel
this week dev chat should be rogue reworking i 10.1.7 Kappa
crude notch
?
rogue rework is 10.2
are you hyped for rogue rework ghash?
I should get a rogue ready
warm plinth
I'm...apprehensive
crude notch
rogue meta coming 10.2. We are so back.
warm plinth
I'm concerned about outlaw getting too much of its playstyle changed. I don't care about rtb but the rest is so much fun right now
Rtb probably needs to be overhauled or removed
crude notch
yeah if they could make outlaw same but better that'd be ideal.
modern brook
I'm concerned about outlaw getting too much of its playstyle changed. I don't c...
Rogue straight up doesnt need a rework it needs a 2nd pass at its talent trees and like some slight tuning
and assa needs a real aoe solution
thats about it
south zealot
sin needs to do more than tank st damage in their aoe build
crude notch
ye
warm plinth
I don't care either way. They're getting one so :shrug:
south zealot
they can do solid aoe but when they hit a boss they do fucking 90k damage
modern brook
I just think callingit a rework is setting bad expectations
sick sentinel
i just want outlaw to be a little bit more not what it is right now
warm plinth
I play outlaw right now
modern brook
no rogue is sitting on rogue like "wow cant wait for my dog shit ass spec to be fun to play"
like fire mage was
warm plinth
Tell that to foreverguy on Twitter lol
crude notch
Well rework has meant anything from what ret got to what mage got
Which are very diff
modern brook
('cept sin)
crude notch
Hell people even called Guardian's moving of 4 talents a rework.
warm plinth
Yeah I don't care what they do or don't do. But they already said they're doing something so
modern brook
Only reaosn im apprehensive on it is cause ive seen peoples ideas
warm plinth
I just want it to not change the core of the spec I love
modern brook
crude notch
make shroud a choice node with mass vial. 🙂
modern brook
Realz did a great job with the first pass though, very much looking forward to what he outputs on round 2
crude notch
new design idea, trust
warm plinth
The HO build has been the most fun I've had with outlaw other than kyrian shadowdust
modern brook
HO double CTO is a blast yeah
probably the best iteration of the spec since its rebranding
sick sentinel
make shroud a choice node with mass vial. 🙂
yeah, sounds good to me
alterinative to warlock cookie and mage mass invis
gives them reasons to be invited
warm plinth
Rtb just needs balance/consistency. No one likes having your damage determined entirely by a random button every 20-45 seconds
Who would have thought extra combo points or increased ss procs would be better than...energy regeneration
sick sentinel
crude notch
PWar is on the rize
For the first time this season, PWar is not the least represented tank in title range.
warm plinth
Brew?
crude notch
ye, it's brew-5, ppal-6, pwar-7
sick sentinel
protection warrior players tend to be ... persistant
crude notch
when you're in single digit title holders that's usually the "persistent" ones as you call it.
no matter the spec
proper roost
persistant
daring marlin
kanga cute
proper roost
i'm making texas style chili con carne in an hour and watching whiplash with my friend
come over
crude notch
oh snap
lime urchin
i'm making texas style chili con carne in an hour and watching whiplash with my ...
What makes the Chili con Carne Texas style?
proper roost
big ol half inch chunks of beef instead of ground beef and no beans
lime urchin
No beans?!
warm plinth
A half inch chunk of beef is what I'm working with too
daring marlin
big ol half inch chunks of beef instead of ground beef and no beans
but black beans own
warm plinth
I like putting fritos in the bottom of my chili bowl and smushing them
crude notch
based ghash
daring marlin
I got some ground beef with broccoli waiting for me at home
gonna cook up some ramen with bone broth and toss it in
torpid fiber
I like putting fritos in the bottom of my chili bowl and smushing them
same but instead of fritos theyre my hopes and dreams
warm plinth
Well that's...dark
lusty tiger
yum
modern brook
"Add more bones" my man said
sick sentinel
the 50k guy got on asmongold💀
daring marlin
"Add more bones" my man said
Brooooo I always cook my rice with bone broth
modern brook
Gotta have my bone rice
lusty tiger
Brooooo I always cook my rice with bone broth
like mixed with water or 100% bone broth?
lusty tiger
that's some expensive rice
lusty tiger
never seen cheap bone broth
lusty tiger
true
modern brook
I make veg stock a lot cause veg scraps are easy to make and I don't eat alotta bone in shit anymore
Literal bin juice
sick sentinel
isnt this the group that it was completed in 55 minutes or something
so it was way over time to begin with
daring marlin
yes
sick sentinel
so, what are the arguments for the paladin being in the correct, if any at all.
daring marlin
The person complaining was also a warlock wearing a str trinket and 418 ilvl despite juicing their ilvl with useless garbage
So they were basically getting a carry without conveying that?
idk whole thing was susge
sick sentinel
well, is he new to the game? its a bit on warlock there, but im not upset at him,
sick sentinel
mistakes happen, there are things you have to learn hard way
daring marlin
I think they're also a dick but maybe I'm the dick for thinking that
lusty tiger
it is
sick sentinel
that he can literally go get in 3 minutes
even if its a 3 minute cd for something that sucks dick to cast
lusty tiger
str trinket does nothing unless it is a stat stick secondary one
sick sentinel
it still hampers his dps by alot
lusty tiger
well the point is if it's only strength then it is as good as not having a trinket
sick sentinel
the minimum i would say is have a "please check your spec and equipped gear and group comp" once all 5 zoned in
crude notch
It ain't that deep
lusty tiger
yea the guy was lazy and wanted a carry
crude notch
The pally was a bit of a dick too, he tried to clap back on twitter.
It's all just stinky really
sick sentinel
like asmongold is talking about afk greifing this and that, and invite another player and :S wth i don't agree with any of this
modern gazelle
bruh, neltharus is the bane of my existence
just had the cleanest group ever, literally god tier chain usage, i changed my pulls and we had SOOOO much time
sick sentinel
maybe 1 time per dungeon, time out, 2 minutes, timer freezes, everything freezes solid, cannot be canceled.
modern gazelle
then people but pull 2 packs, but whatever, and then on final boss they wiped 4 times
how do you wipe on final boss of fort in nelth???
sick sentinel
and you have to 4 out of 5 person vote to time out
crude notch
that sounds dumb af and is quite the egregious overreaction to an anecdotal situation
sick sentinel
then you can stop and explain something to the healer, or the tank, what they have to do, or they can go get pizza at door,
lusty tiger
having a timeout fir m+ would be dope
get a 2min break each keystone incase internet/pizza/piss
crude notch
then people but pull 2 packs, but whatever, and then on final boss they wiped 4 ...
they wiped? were you not in the key too or?
modern gazelle
they wiped? were you not in the key too or?
i mean yeah i wiped after all of them died and i lived for another 10% of boss health...
modern gazelle
the tank can hold multiple gold pile thingys
i always get 2-3
they kept dying to the adds
lusty tiger
are u CCing the ads?
modern gazelle
i told them to bring adds to boss so i can cc and to focus adds on the last one and they finally did
they did not cc at all
lusty tiger
u have charge tho
modern gazelle
it was excrutiating lol
lusty tiger
you can cc the ad for a while
modern gazelle
i mean yes, but its better to cc on top of boss
lusty tiger
if you charge it it will be CCd ontop of the boss
modern gazelle
if i want to long range stun i just storm bolt anyways
boss moves slow af, usually stun is over by then
lusty tiger
charge then stun since the root from charge is op
modern gazelle
i have never even seen people die to the adds, like legit
lusty tiger
also if u have melee you can step away from the boss in the shield phase to keep swirlies away from the melee zone
modern gazelle
it was straight up adds
we had 3 up at one point i think cause no one dpsing them
lusty tiger
that is impressively bad
modern gazelle
and they were kiting them across the entire room
yes...i didnt think i needed to tell group to focus adds in a 21 nelth
but aparently i did cause after that we killed it first try
daring marlin
The pally was a bit of a dick too, he tried to clap back on twitter.
lmao what'd the pally say?
Seemed like a gathering of trash from my pov
jagged gust
yes...i didnt think i needed to tell group to focus adds in a 21 nelth
The key level required for assuming competency keeps rising, Was doing a 20 nelth and the group didn't know we had to CC the Thaumaturges in order to, y'know, not die
Even this week had 13 afflicted go off in a single 19 ulda with 3 decurses in the group
marble ingot
we go for primal molten defender shield craft right?
modern gazelle
The key level required for assuming competency keeps rising, Was doing a 20 nelt...
thats next level incompetence lmao
modern gazelle
we go for primal molten defender shield craft right?
yes it should be your first craft
with shadow patch embelish or whatever its called
jagged gust
I put mine on my belt/legs for offspeccing DPS
modern gazelle
I put mine on my belt/legs for offspeccing DPS
traitor
jagged gust
The RL is obsessed with DH/Pal raid tanks 😦
So I spineth to wineth
I've raid tanked once this whole month
modern gazelle
when i joined my guild i said i expect not to be swapped for bosses
or be benched at all
wasnt looking for a gulid that would do that
marble ingot
yey got a nice 447 primal molten defender with flavour pocket 😄
warm plinth
pog
strong forum
completely forgor
south zealot
nice one noob
warm plinth
Don't you mean X?
mighty valley
don't you dare
proper roost
https://twitter.com/XerKS_wow/status/1690747080942178305
holy lmaoo
guy showed up w receipts
crude notch
problem is his receipts show that his pally friend had 0 kicks.
So he's shit talking the warlock but outting himself.
crude notch
That's right in the wheel house of the conversation we keep having with other's 'you're in the elo/io range you belong in'
warm plinth
I'm assuming the peeps in the replies are the other guys?
crude notch
Husani is the warlock, Xer is Palshay supposedly
warm plinth
gotcha
daring marlin
husani, the 3k mage main looking for a carry on his rat alt
though the pallies were idiots too
warm plinth
Random question since she popped up on my twitter. Snowmixy is the hpal that everyone gave shit to for being multi glad as a girl saying she was carried?
daring marlin
why join that shit?
proper roost
warm plinth
or am I confusing her with someone else
daring marlin
They prolly saw their main was 3k and thought surely they'd be good
warm plinth
why join that shit?
A paladin invited my rat mage alt to a vortex 16. We bricked finished it but wrecked timer
I did better than I thought I would at 407 ilevel though
daring marlin
but were you wearing a str trinket
proper roost
powderful
daring marlin
or no trinket at all???
proper roost
everyone declines my warrior despite my main io
crude notch
his buddy was wearing pod
proper roost
daring marlin
like everything in that key was shit
fax tho
proper roost
everyone sucked
crude notch
ye
proper roost
crude notch
Glass houses
proper roost
everyone in 16s sucks except me
crude notch
But
proper roost
who owns
daring marlin
I just think airing that to twitter for sympathy was cringe
proper roost
speaking of which i need to blast like eight 16s tonight
crude notch
At the end of the day, only one of the things done was reportable
proper roost
Lets go
tranquil drift
maybe he was demanding 50k dps :D
People can be such assholes sometimes, I remember one thing, when I was gearing up a holy paladin to test the rework, I joined a very low freehold, sub 10 for sure, probably 2-5. I saw one of the guys in there has more hp than the tank, fully geared, hmmm weird maybe he's helping out a friend or smth. The key started, the tank charged and got one shot, and then I died and the 3 other people left
turns out the key was a 19 and it was some sort of prank?
like wtf
dumbest shit I ever experienced
daring marlin
speaking of which i need to blast like eight 16s tonight
take me with you
cerulean tusk
dumbest shit I ever experienced
I done that ppl join for a 11 key, I forgot and put in my 21 key instead of friends 11.
Always fun time, and most PuGs find it hillarious and hey - we completed it too
tranquil drift
pretty sure it was premeditated as they left as soon as the tank died~
cerulean tusk
left the key in shame
mighty valley
was the tank their friend...?
tranquil drift
I don't think so
daring marlin
@proper roost RESPOND
tranquil drift
pretty sure it was just a random pug like me
warm plinth
I done that <:keks:936231610850897992> ppl join for a 11 key, I forgot and put i...
The other day, we intended to do a 21 Uldaman and we got about 2 bosses in and were like, man this is really easy. Turns out a 19 had been activated instead
cruising, all good
warm plinth
Yeah, the fury war was like wait, this is a 19. I was wondering why it was so easy