being tanked in an alley is just bad tank positioning
#protection
lusty grotto
its a literal single pack, you chain it with downstairs and the trapper
super inneficient if its done solo
warm plinth
If you pull it at all. There are routes that skip it too. Either way you do have to kill one on last island
proper roost
I hate that alley
and people who tank them in it
It's like they want everyone to die
that's my test of whether or not the tank has ever played a nontank before esp a melee dps
sick sentinel
what alley
proper roost
All tanks should be forced to play melee DPS so they learn how fucked tanks can make melee DPS lives when they dont think about where the dps need to position
sick sentinel
already did
crude notch
Can feel it so much on MW. Like homie if you don't pull these mobs right I cannot heal
ebon geyser
you should not be able to join a m+ group until u go tru a proving grounds that is all about interrupts
and use of cc
like in mop
crude notch
That won't teach tanks how to pull
toxic pewter
O_O
lusty grotto
I hate that alley
thats why i never pull shit into it
toxic pewter
the smooth brains of the party
I am not smooth brain and I will not sit here and be spoken down to like that
lusty grotto
plus again, if youre doing that pack ALONE, youre being inefficient
modern brook
I am not smooth brain and I will not sit here and be spoken down to like that
๐ด <--- ur brain lmao
strong forum
ebon geyser
sorry mate , dps need to learn how to interrupt
most are shitters until high keys
and this is froma shitter but i do interrupt
south zealot
most players in this game are shitters
toxic pewter
not me
crude notch
Also why should I interrupt. The healer is here to heal.
chilly brook
interrupting as caster is dps loss
Nah just play warlock lmfao
Canโt lose DPS when you can do it mid cast while not interrupting yours
ebon geyser
everytime i think about gearing my war ...ugh
south zealot
or can all warlocks do it
cerulean tusk
All tanks should be forced to play melee DPS so they learn how fucked tanks can ...
To be fair - it is only warrior and... I cant remember anyone else, that is affected by tanks doing weird things. Most can reach anyhow.
So no biggie if tanks forget that is a thing
south zealot
even as rogue with extendo its still annoying for dumb shit to happen in melee
ebon geyser
also im in terror about gearing and doing the last boss in dawn since 98% of the player base die there and i can solo on my druid but idk if war can
cerulean tusk
War can, you got this
toxic pewter
wat u guys even talking about
ebon geyser
War can, you got this
we have no self heal like frenzy regen
lusty grotto
i cant believe we're restarting shit takes from this morning
especially coming from a red name
ebon geyser
read what i said jordan jesus
lusty grotto
im fucking ashamed, how do i cancel my red name
toxic pewter
ill take ur red name
ebon geyser
@jagged pier brudah give me strenght and motivation to gear my warrior since the gearing system is shit
toxic pewter
wtf? can get full set of gear in like 3 hours
cerulean tusk
One HC run, and you are all set
ebon geyser
One HC run, and you are all set
you gonna pay it for me
toxic pewter
... pay for it? wtf are you talking about?
south zealot
buy a boost
toxic pewter
???
ebon geyser
modern brook
yeah
cerulean tusk
A boost would be what - around a million, for full 30/30 raid with full VIP?
toxic pewter
why would anyone need to pay gold for heroic? its like 45 minutes to do at this point
lusty grotto
EU likes to abreviate heroic as HC
cerulean tusk
The new thing, where you die your char gets locked
cerulean tusk
HC = Heroic, indeed
south zealot
i realized that after i said hardcore mode
south zealot
A boost would be what - around a million, for full 30/30 raid with full VIP?
would be more
lusty grotto
do you have proof? so we can point and laugh at the carry buyer?
toxic pewter
just pug the raid lol
cerulean tusk
Then you dont have full loot prio tho
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ im disgusted
toxic pewter
for once i am actually exiting the conversation
lusty grotto
dont worry apb im with you
cerulean tusk
Solution is to go with yer guild, get the gear. All free, everyone happy
lusty grotto
"melee should be forced to do kick training" "oh let me buy my gear"
ebon geyser
i try my guild or the one i had and WOW was rougher than pugs and i was on my main
like zero concept of mechanic or dps or anything
cerulean tusk
Ah, the best kind of guilds
ebon geyser
no wonder they are stuck 3/9m
cerulean tusk
I love em raids, as long they are fun
jagged pier
cerulean tusk
no wonder they are stuck 3/9m
If they 3/9 mythic, they clear HC in what - 1h 30m to 2h?
They can fix you up for sure 
ebon geyser
If they 3/9 mythic, they clear HC in what - 1h 30m to 2h?
They can fix you up f...
That's the joke...they struggle
In H
We didn't kill sark for 2 weeks
After that I left
Done
cerulean tusk
not sure if you are joking or not
ebon geyser
Now I raid with a chill community when I can
But not mythic
Just heroic and m+
But I need to be 420 to go into their heroic runs
cerulean tusk
Don't you get full 420 from crafted items and some timerifts?
cerulean tusk
Ye, crafted gear is 424 too, that is 8? slots done
ebon geyser
I like an idiot swap and went pally because I was a flavor of the month enjoyer
lusty grotto
you still are
ebon geyser
I'm a bear main but I started playing him when DH was meta
cerulean tusk
Ah, so you are going back to bear?
ebon geyser
I reach my goal on him
So I'm bored
So I have a lock that I play and I still want a tank
cerulean tusk
Well - druid does give you the 3 role options. So enjoy I say 
cerulean tusk
Time to go warrior then, if you go arms - you will become fully commited to the death
ebon geyser
Also community I play with is almost silent because ppl are balls deep in baldurs gate
What crazy to me is we have one full patch before season 3 and ppl are burned out already
cerulean tusk
A break from WoW is only good for all, so this be a good thing
proper roost
i mean we are like week 14
and augs kinda ruined the season
New game always makes things quiet
Its not unique to this season at all
Not even aug, certainly not the new games
Just kinda sounds like a you issue tbh; my pally got to 430 in literally one week
ebon geyser
Just kinda sounds like a you issue tbh; my pally got to 430 in literally one wee...
How
cerulean tusk
My aug got to 434 in 2 days 
ebon geyser
I feel my druid was easy but shit I'm struggling
proper roost
What do you mean how
Megadungeon literally drops 437
You have 8 crafts this week all of which are 447
ebon geyser
U need aspects
cerulean tusk
Do Mega, farm some 16s for aspects and you are there
proper roost
Just do 16s? not hard at all
cerulean tusk
Just farm your way to 16 with your key - you will get enough sparks to get full 424 (basically), then upgrade them as you do 16-18 area over and over.
proper roost
Timerift drops 402s, weekly quest gives 415s (both valdrakken and loam), base crafts are 424
modern brook
torpid fiber
and augs kinda ruined the season
Still canโt believe they dropped a new spec half way through a season
south zealot
its the best time to do it
cerulean tusk
I enjoy Aug's addition to the game. Don't mind it coming mid season either.
I can understand the 0.1% pushers feel a bit iffy about it tho.
south zealot
Timerift drops 402s, weekly quest gives 415s (both valdrakken and loam), base cr...
fuck all that shit
timber terrace
Buying a hc boost is the best way to kickstart an alt if you don't want it to take ages
cerulean tusk
Mokoo take as per usual
proper roost
fuck all that shit
fuck dn idiot lol owned
south zealot
whats idiot
proper roost
deez nuts lol
south zealot
holy moly
cerulean tusk
that fell flat
proper roost
Play with friends who do heroic runs challenge
People play mmorpgs as mmorpg challenge
(impossible)
lusty grotto
still part of the problem bull
proper roost
modern brook
still part of the problem bull
no see its not a problem when i do it cause i need gold
theres no problem to be apart of
crude notch
why is it a problem at all?
proper roost
imagine thinking u need to buy a heroic run when we give a full heroic 4set to rat alts every single week in guild run
lusty grotto
no see its not a problem when i do it cause i need gold
oh true true
proper roost
and also in friend casual heroic run
modern brook
also i tihnk you have like 6 catalyst charges at this point
plush tendon
boosting is a part of my RP
cerulean tusk
Well, Kanga, the obvious solution for our friend here; is to do what so many of my alts do.
I create a HC run, call it "Aberrus HC - Fresh Alt Run", then I fill it up with OCE farmers and go through assult.
Ez gear, ez life
lusty grotto
thats why they have wild takes as "DPS SHOULD TAKE INTERRUPT LESSONS"
crude notch
y'all think kanga is unhinged in here you should see him in AG
lusty grotto
what about in DN
cerulean tusk
I just want to see the Mokoo take, ngl
timber terrace
Well buy it or get boosted by friends but hc is a good way to get a few high lvl tier pieces+ a vault and crests to turn your char from useless to can hold its weight in 17s and farm
cerulean tusk
What about just making your own group?
plush tendon
hc also nice for crests
proper roost
I hit 430+ on my pally in a week without entering raid
plush tendon
early on
lusty grotto
lol
proper roost
crude notch
Don't let them gaslight you mokoo, I get funneled on the weekly on different alts
sick sentinel
im never gettin that damn hour glass
plush tendon
almost like megadungeon is easy
very true
cerulean tusk
Next week, Yogi, for sure
plush tendon
so easy to get gear
sick sentinel
only reason i go now, quit after second boss
plush tendon
its just tedious and not as much fun as a raid reclear imo
crude notch
almost like megadungeon is easy
can't get a beacon from megadungeon dummy.
plush tendon
i love reclear with the bois
sick sentinel
it needs to be split into 1/2 for mythic +
proper roost
can't get a beacon from megadungeon dummy.
Beacon dn
timber terrace
It's all about time,if you sell boosts you can also afford to buy some and that's still more efficient than trying to make a scuffed pug group you'll pay with your time
crude notch
so why even make that statement
crude notch
no
cerulean tusk
It's all about time,if you sell boosts you can also afford to buy some and that'...
what if you don't make a scuffed group on purpose?
plush tendon
It's all about time,if you sell boosts you can also afford to buy some and that'...
its kind of how classic works
GDKP aint a bad system
timber terrace
that's how retail works for a lot of ppl too
plush tendon
well.... thats assuming you think its a problem
crude notch
what's the problem?
cerulean tusk
Don't need to justify it, really. But meh.
plush tendon
E=MC^2
south zealot
i think selling title is bad i think selling gear and shit like ce/aotc is not bad
cerulean tusk
What if you sell title with the gear?
crude notch
People that think boosting is a problem are just too poor
lusty grotto
this is the state WoW players are in where carrying/boosting is normalized in such degree that there's no problem
south zealot
selling anything thats limited on spots is bad
south zealot
why does it matter if some dogshit player buys aotc
cerulean tusk
I been boosting since the day I could back in vanilla - doing SM runs.
It has always been part and normalized in WoW.
proper roost
i think selling title is bad i think selling gear and shit like ce/aotc is not b...
doesnt ur guild just let u buy hof title with gray parses
lusty grotto
its just a problem
proper roost
(this is a huge chatting moment)
lusty grotto
how normal is it to do gdkp on classic realms?
cerulean tusk
What is the problem, just so we know what the issue is?
lusty grotto
because it is pretty fucking normal
timber terrace
I think boosting is toxic to the game in the way it makes pug worse by making good players not want to play for free and hard to filter players because buying aotc is ultra cheap,I pugged sark last week and we had to cycle like 15 players that didn't clear their debuff in p1
crude notch
what is so problematic about me buying the time of 4 other players so I can get a tusk?
instead of farming it 40 times?
cerulean tusk
I think boosting is toxic to the game in the way it makes pug worse by making go...
But I boost on certain chars, I still carry on my alts - when they need gear. So I doubledip, that must be a good thing no?
plush tendon
I think boosting is toxic to the game in the way it makes pug worse by making go...
well, tbf, good players dont want to waste time wiping to sark
proper roost
Ok uncalled for. its 85 degrees in my office right now and im sweating
south zealot
my logs are kinda shitty
proper roost
its not my fault its hot
plush tendon
at least you can pay em to do it for you
crude notch
tell me nim
south zealot
i have a 77 on sarkareth
cerulean tusk
Ok uncalled for. its 85 degrees in my office right now and im sweating
Get some icewater, stay safe lovedove
crude notch
how do i negatively impact anyone's gameplay experience by skipping running 40 Underrots myself
cerulean tusk
You skip 40 runs of being part of the community
crude notch
i skip 40 runs of wanting to shoot myself in the face, true true
cerulean tusk
Toxic, indeed. True.
lusty grotto
You minimize group participation, because in the time you go do the content, youre also grouping with different players. You're contributing indirectly to RMT. You're contributing to wild economy curves.
timber terrace
well, tbf, good players dont want to waste time wiping to sark
Well I have 8 geared chars I can't run everything with guildies or friends, was just trying to get a beacon on my 5th alt
proper roost
lusty grotto
different context
south zealot
bad argument\
lusty grotto
no
cerulean tusk
Sure, but now you are pushing the box like Nim usually does.
cerulean tusk
Boosting is normalized.
south zealot
its either i boost for gold, i buy gold, or a i farm gold
toxic pewter
nim is spot on, as usual
cerulean tusk
Nim is a bit unclear, as per usual. But meh
south zealot
why would i ever farm or buy gold when i can help ppl get gear
im just a nice guy
idk man
lusty grotto
listen to you all trying to defend boosting, because its normalized
plush tendon
part of my ERP is that im a mercenary that gets gold by helping people kill things, and then I gamble it all away during raid cause I have a gambling addiction
modern brook
i dont need gold rn so yeah its kinda sickening to see this
lusty grotto
by definition that's how normalized boosting has become
timber terrace
I mean boosting used to be confidential you had to pm the good guild on your server for it, but now with cross realms and communities it's just a service in the game
south zealot
its normalized because its fine
cerulean tusk
In my head - doing services for gold, is a natural part in a system that contains gold as a currency.
lusty grotto
thats a leap choco
toxic pewter
its pretty wild how much denial occurs around boosting too lmao
south zealot
boosting aotc or ce does nothing
toxic pewter
its objectively bad for the health of the game in basically every metric
lusty grotto
i mean all in all, its just fake achievements that do nothing in RL
so yeah youre right
crude notch
You minimize group participation, because in the time you go do the content, you...
Except I'll play more after I'm geared
lusty grotto
sure you will
timber terrace
boosting aotc just hurts pugs a lot, boosting ce doesn't do much because you can tell if someone got boosted
plush tendon
to be fair, ya gotta be a big whale to get the CE achievement
toxic pewter
lol why would i want to party with some dude who bought everything and doesnt even know what button to press
plush tendon
cause he'll pay you
toxic pewter
i am solo anyway
plush tendon
crude notch
like i'll play the game more if i'm geared than if i'm ungeared
it's the same gripe that mwahi has with alt gearing
south zealot
play dn
plush tendon
like i'll play the game more if i'm geared than if i'm ungeared
hard agree on this
ya boi just wants geared toons
south zealot
i like gearing my main and maybe a second character, gearing any other character is a chore
plush tendon
the work to get there is bleh
timber terrace
I often boost my alts on week 1 then I just pug or play with friends and guildies normally on it
doing low keys to go from 400 to 420 ilvl isn't really exciting
toxic pewter
the most important and almost unmentioned aspect of it all though... self-respect. You actually harm that game and community as a whole, that is true. Worst of all, though, you actually are harming yourself when you buy boosts.
modern brook
toxic pewter
and bringing yourself lower
crude notch
So you have me:
Willing to pay gold that I earned for runs so I can play more endgame, once I get there I'll play more.
Then you have Mwahi:
Willing to play alts more if there was a better gearing system for alts, but since their isn't he's not playing more.
Who's more hindering to your "group participation"?
toxic pewter
When you purchase fake progress and achievement
lusty grotto
sorry jordan i just dont buy it, thats why you have alts of every spec right?
toxic pewter
it is bad for you
lusty grotto
if not more
modern brook
the most important and almost unmentioned aspect of it all though... self-respec...
you sound like my dad when i pay some guy to do the tire rotation cause i dont fucking want to do it in the summer heat
lusty grotto
its a non issue carry on with the echo chamber
crude notch
you don't buy what?
lusty grotto
"its ok guys boosts are normal"
crude notch
that I play the game more if I'm geared?
toxic pewter
you sound like my dad when i pay some guy to do the tire rotation cause i dont f...
Your dad sounds like a wise man
maybe if you listened to him more you would do less boosting related activities
modern brook
lmao cunt
i pay my mechanic to do my rotation cause i can afford to
same with people boosting
crude notch
idk how you can tell me i don't play more when I'm more geared
plush tendon
I dont like to call it boosting; im merely offering a service at the fair market rate
crude notch
in fact when I was in gallywix i used to gear alts so I could join in on more boosts
toxic pewter
Sure I guess I should of prefaced it with boosting for fake achievement/progress... I guess menial tasks are one thing..but then again its a slippery slope
fuk there I go justifying it
XD
plush tendon
also, the amount of people who can afford achievements like glad and CE and the amount of people who can deliver it is so small
lusty grotto
how many of you have done Heroic Sark after you've gotten beacon?
or whats the reason to do it?
modern brook
gotten beacon
crude notch
That can be true in the non-boosting world true though
plush tendon
AoTC and dip is a play
modern brook
yeah
plush tendon
though reclearing mythic has been fun
modern brook
it is
south zealot
how many of you have done Heroic Sark after you've gotten beacon?
i do it to sell boosts
plush tendon
just getting CE is a pain in my ass
but redoing the raid on Mythic once a week.... is a good time
lusty grotto
ok how many Sarks did i have to do to get beacon? how many players got their AOTC because me, or someone similar to me that still needs a piece, is contributing to the group
and/or other gear?
plush tendon
idk, nor do I really care
lusty grotto
so thats how it limits group participation
plush tendon
they could also just join a guild
crude notch
hwhat
lusty grotto
im not talking to you Augusto
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
To be fair, most boosters would not PuG anyhow.
Most boosters do steal boosties tho. So you could argue removing boosties from the pool, makes it harder to get a normal/HC group going. I guess.
crude notch
Okay but if I get gear, then go do keys and help people get KSM, how is that any different?
I'm still participating
timber terrace
I don't really get how a hc guild could keep people going these days the raid just flops in hc and there is absolutely no upgrades for anyone a few weeks in
crude notch
I'm participating WAY more than if I never got that gear in the first place
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say KSM and Sark are interchangeable
plush tendon
I don't really get how a hc guild could keep people going these days the raid ju...
trinkets really
toxic pewter
i got my beacon may 15th and have been killing sark each week since lol
modern brook
i wouldnt say KSM and Sark are interchangeable
:whuh:
crude notch
the point isn't what's interchangeable
south zealot
I don't really get how a hc guild could keep people going these days the raid ju...
people are really really bad and just play to have fun with their homies
crude notch
The point is group participation
modern brook
value of the acheivement isnt the point
cerulean tusk
i wouldnt say KSM and Sark are interchangeable
That is fair - if you mean in difficulty rating
plush tendon
the raid trinkets are significantly more appealing then the M+
crude notch
you can't move the fucking goalposts
lusty grotto
im not, you are
cerulean tusk
Nim always does, tho. Just work around it.
lusty grotto
im talking specifically about Sark
modern brook
yeah but like you cant
lusty grotto
and out of left field comes KSM
crude notch
what?
crude notch
bro what
lusty grotto
of course its not bull
but you cant just go into a meta perspective before looking at specifics
timber terrace
I mean sure but apart from chromatic essence which is dumb because literally everyone needs it there isn't that much that gatekeeps gear
crude notch
not to mention like i said earlier gearing those toons through boosts made me boost more
and made me engage in gaming
and made me play whatever
modern brook
"engage in gaming" 
crude notch
Like I don't get how that's so hard to conceptualize
proper roost
If you like gaming so much why didn't you marry it
cerulean tusk
Well, he is engaging in his sphere of influence.
They just disagree with what engaing entails.
lusty grotto
im conceptualizing it as justification for normalizing it, so im good
toxic pewter
this is why i actually foresee wow becoming a loadout game eventually
toxic pewter
torpid fiber
Donโt forget thereโs a whole community that finds the most enjoyment in making gold.
cerulean tusk
deeze nutz
plush tendon
Donโt forget thereโs a whole community that finds the most enjoyment in making g...
yo, those guys are crazy
crude notch
Do you have the same viewpoint of profession sharks as well because they're making fat stacks while doing ZERO group participation
timber terrace
I mean it's different if you buy a boost to gear up in a content you'd smash with gear or if you buy a boost in a content you're clueless to get fake achievements
torpid fiber
Thereโs lots of ways to enjoy this game beyond the accomplishment of raiding
plush tendon
100%
lusty grotto
jordan, whats the % of players that are goblins compared to the rest?
plush tendon
much like im the back to back Tmog Trial of Style Champion
lusty grotto
lets compare goblin % of players to people that tackle content
lusty grotto
like why are goblins even a point
torpid fiber
Whatโs the percentage of mythic raiders? Point is, everyone should be allowed to enjoy the game how they see fit
torpid fiber
Donโt shame people for doing it differently than you
lusty grotto
lower because people like you boost and dont participate in pugs?
south zealot
AHHHHHHHH
cerulean tusk
We would not particupate in the pugs anyhow
lusty grotto
Donโt shame people for doing it differently than you
what the fuck are you even talking about
torpid fiber
Oh ya, let me just pug mythic sark quick. Lmao
crude notch
Alright, here's my final question on this.
Would you prefer I did what Mwahi does and not play the game at all as much because of how shit the gearing alts system is (it's far better than in the past, yes).
cerulean tusk
He would not care
lusty grotto
thats not for me to decide
torpid fiber
what the fuck are you even talking about
If people want to pay for a boost and enjoy doing so, why do you care so much? Theyโre having fun so stop being a gatekeeper on how to enjoy wow
lusty grotto
If people want to pay for a boost and enjoy doing so, why do you care so much? T...
what
bro you joined way too late for this garbanzo reply
crude notch
Also, to be 100% clear I mostly buy heroic for the sparks anyways, I very rarely get gear out of it
cerulean tusk
what
It is the:
Family man got no time to play game, yet he still wants to feel he participates in the game.
He buys boost, and gets the feeling of winning. You can argue if he did or not, but he feels this way.
Man is happy, booster is happy. Win/win
lusty grotto
since when is an opinion gatekeeping? lmao
do you think i scan people to see if they boosts or something
what the fuck
cerulean tusk
If you do tho, tell us how it ends
torpid fiber
You genuinely seem like a very unpleasant person
lusty grotto
shut the fuck up
daring marlin
cerulean tusk
Nim, it is true tho. You are fairly crass. But I am sure you are cool to talk to over a beer.
torpid fiber
Thanks for proving my point
lusty grotto
you're welcome
timber terrace
I think mythic raiding is like keys past 20 in a way, a lot of people that could do it are just not willing to engage because it's not worth it to them,the barrier to entry is less the skill level than the willingness to try
Realistically mythic kazzara isn't harder than heroic sark and prolly has 10 times less kills
dusky canopy
The only real barrier is time (assuming youโre a capable player)
crude notch
Like I don't know how me buying boosts to play the game more than I would if I didn't buy said boosts is a bad thing for the community
idk
cerulean tusk
Nim dont get that point. That you would not engage in that sphere of content anyhow.
crude notch
My group participation is far higher on geared toons than ungeared toons
cerulean tusk
Dont worry about it, Jordan.
lusty grotto
let the echo chamber go round and round
torpid fiber
Itโs not. This guy is just angry at life. An old man yelling at kids playing near his lawn type of situation
cerulean tusk
Nim, you are usually the echochamber machine. So round it goes.
cerulean tusk
Why?
dusky canopy
Imo a solid argument against boosts in general is that they lower the feeling of accomplishment for people who earn naturally what is being offered in boosts
cerulean tusk
There is no discussion to be had. Your one naysayer, just uses the "It doesnt matter what you say, I dont care" line.
modern brook
prot needs buffs so we can go back to telling people to press sb more
dusky canopy
Lololol bull
cerulean tusk
Imo a solid argument against boosts in general is that they lower the feeling of...
interesting. But why?
What you achieve, compared to others - I guess.
But if I get lets say Curve, I dont care if Joe B got curve and bought it.
crude notch
is earning sparks that greta of an accomplishment?
timber terrace
Idk when I see people paying thousands to get an achieve I got by playing the game it's more flattering than disminishing it
cerulean tusk
Mokoo got a mokoo point
dusky canopy
interesting. But why?
What you achieve, compared to others - I guess.
But if ...
Why do you think standing on a mailbox with hard to get appearances was a thing in previous expansions?
plush tendon
prot needs buffs so we can go back to telling people to press sb more
as soon as prot is meta, we can go back to the good ol days
south zealot
Idk when I see people paying thousands to get an achieve I got by playing the ga...
common mokoo W
W
plush tendon
some ol goodies like 'how much vers do I need?'
dusky canopy
If everyone can just buy the โhard to get appearanceโ itโs no longer exciting or โcoolโ
modern brook
as soon as prot is meta, we can go back to the good ol days
i remember when the good ol days was responding viable to everything ๐ฆ
daring marlin
Bull always viable
crude notch
If someone's out here buying CE for multiple millions of gold, I clearly did something cool enough
daring marlin
cuz Bull have brain
modern brook
Bull always _viable_
pwar was viable in keys
cerulean tusk
Why do you think standing on a mailbox with hard to get appearances was a thing ...
I see your point. Yet it kinda fails to hold ground.
As AoTC is only a time issue. Not really skill.
I do get where you are coming from though.
daring marlin
I see your point. Yet it kinda fails to hold ground.
As AoTC is only a time is...
MF you can apply that to anything
cerulean tusk
More or less
dusky canopy
Like donโt get me wrong I capitalize on boosts being in the game also
But I personally would prefer that it doesnโt exist period
modern brook
Like donโt get me wrong I capitalize on boosts being in the game also
i mean that was nims entire point fwiw
dusky canopy
If you canโt make the time or have the skill to earn something you just should not* have it
timber terrace
I mean your achievements aren't worth anything by themselves, what makes them worth something is the work you put to get them , and that's something a bozo can't buy with gold or money
dusky canopy
^ yea
south zealot
idk man my take is still the best
daring marlin
I haven't bought a boost before but don't really care that people do. I sold M+ boosts in BFA even. Can't be fucked recently as it's so saturated and I don't really play with friends anymore. ๐
daring marlin
I mean your achievements aren't worth anything by themselves, what makes them wo...
wtf? W
south zealot
boosting is fine for anything that isnt limited on the number of ppl who can obtain it
cerulean tusk
Fair points. But what if you want that AoTC, but you don't have time to play. Without AoTC you don't get to join groups as easily in your limited timeframe of play
Is it really wrong to invest gold to make the time to wait to play shorter?
crude notch
What if I get a boost without paying gold, is that suddenly acceptable?
daring marlin
I've found my interest in this game has dropped substantially without enjoying it with buddies tbh.
south zealot
What if I get a boost without paying gold, is that suddenly acceptable?
mount for a mount holy moly
crude notch
Because 95% of my boosts on my rat alts are free.
proper roost
I've found my interest in this game has dropped substantially without enjoying i...
then why do u never ask me to do keys
๐ฅบ
crude notch
And if I go boost a buddies toon and he doesn't pay
dusky canopy
Thatโs friends helping friends witch imo is different
daring marlin
then why do u never ask me to do keys
you don't respond to DMs bitch
south zealot
real?
crude notch
is he a hinderance on group participation?
cerulean tusk
What if I get a boost without paying gold, is that suddenly acceptable?
Yeah, most here argue
"boosts" as in boosting community. Not friendly boosts, or boosting as a term.
That is at least what it seems
crude notch
like
dusky canopy
We debated this weeks ago
daring marlin
EAT YOUR SPICY PICO
dusky canopy
Boost is a service, carry is from friends
modern brook
then why do u never ask me to do keys
he asks me to do keys then ignores me when the time comes to do them :/
daring marlin
he asks me to do keys then ignores me when the time comes to do them :/
OH THIS IS WEIRD
dusky canopy
Common kanga strat
proper roost
i'm scrolling and i have literally never donowalled your DMs
crude notch
Like if I give my friend a free boost through heroic on a rat 380, he's not actually gonna participate, it's just free so it's acceptable?
crude notch
Starting to sound like we're getting to the crux of the argument
Y'all boost haters are poor.
modern brook
mf logged on STARCRAFT II
what part of being in starcraft 2 seems like its time for keyz?
crude notch
L
daring marlin
You logged on it after hoe
cerulean tusk
Like if I give my friend a free boost through heroic on a rat 380, he's not actu...
by their logic pattern: Yes.
It is not a community boost. He could pay you a million gold, and it wouldnt matter. It is not a community boost.
Hope that clears it up.
Nim and Co, are fighting the boosting community system. And its effects.
modern brook
(also i didnt see that because you're trusting BLIZZARD FUCKING CHAT)
south zealot
kanga is a hater holy moly
cerulean tusk
Kanga always leaves you on read
dusky canopy
Iโm down to key whenever Iโm on
plush tendon
and have to be "social" and "not a degenerate"
dusky canopy
crude notch
by their logic pattern: Yes.
It is not a community boost. He could pay you a m...
Yeah instead people get scammed on the daily because advertisers are saying they're selling for X guild and so they yoink their gold. Real great counter to boosting communities, good job team.
south zealot
real words or scam
dusky canopy
Kanga doesnt key with warriors so goodluck
lusty grotto
jordan, let me ask you this: if raid gear acquisition wasnt such garbage, would you still participate in boosts?
cerulean tusk
I have actually never been scammed ingame, as that is a bannable offence of the scammer.
dusky canopy
Arms push is way more flex
cerulean tusk
Oh, you are confused, that is arms
proper roost
i hate all warriors
cerulean tusk
we all do
daring marlin
even his own
south zealot
kanga keys?
daring marlin
I gotta go burn off this apple fritter later nerds
south zealot
jk i cant rn im eating mcdonalds and watching valorant get owned
modern brook
jk i cant rn im eating mcdonalds and watching valorant get owned
whos playing
im wage caged
dusky canopy
How much damage have you seen a fury do in FH first pull?
south zealot
old video
dusky canopy
south zealot
so i dont have to deal with breaks or anything
crude notch
jordan, let me ask you this: if raid gear acquisition wasnt such garbage, would ...
If gearing was more deterministic and we had a seasonal dinar system, I'd definitely not boost.
south zealot
watching navi vs drx
lusty grotto
If gearing was more deterministic and we had a seasonal dinar system, I'd defini...
ok then we've reached the root of the problem
crude notch
drugs and alcohol
south zealot
i love drugs
lusty grotto
one that solves both perspectives
or at least tries to, because obviously boosting is never gonna go away
dusky canopy
I donโt really care if people boost Iโm just saying imo if we could flip a switch and have the whole idea just gone permanently it would be better overall
lusty grotto
and that is this: raid gearing is fucking terrible and outdated
proper roost
kanga keys?
No I'm busy playing a good game rn
toxic pewter
If gearing was more deterministic and we had a seasonal dinar system, I'd defini...
yeah like they should just let us customize and equip various weapons, items, abilities, cosmetics, or other elements to create a personalized setup for our characters for a gameplay experience that suits our preferred playstyle, strategy, or objectives.
toxic pewter
lol wat
lusty grotto
apb there's middle ground
toxic pewter
i agree with u
dusky canopy
Iโm tryin to get gems and enchants on every item slot
cerulean tusk
Man, that system sounds good Apb, tell me more.
dusky canopy
south zealot
yeah like they should just let us customize and equip various weapons, items, ab...
this HAS to be a copy pasta
toxic pewter
wat u mean
dusky canopy
Gems/enchants reforging
crude notch
this HAS to be a copy pasta
he chatgpt'd "perks of loadouts"
dusky canopy
Letโs gooo
toxic pewter
lol well I mean think about it.. maybe loadouts just make the most sense for modern day wow
dusky canopy
Absolutely not
lusty grotto
hard disagree
toxic pewter
how is it different than boosting though
dusky canopy
south zealot
what
crude notch
alright this is my exit
toxic pewter
like boosting and loadouts are effectively the same step
purchase items for gear that you didnt earn and equip it
just give the people the gear in a loadout
like cod
dusky canopy
Boosted bis gear vs equipping bis gear from a loadout menu?
toxic pewter
ya
cerulean tusk
Selling boosts for gold in World of Warcraft is a great way to earn some extra income while playing the game you love. Here are some of the benefits of selling boosts for gold:
You can use your skills and experience to help other players achieve their goals, whether itโs clearing a raid, getting a high PvP rating, or obtaining a rare mount or achievement. You can also share your tips and tricks with them and make new friends along the way.
You can earn a lot of gold by selling boosts, which you can use to buy items, mounts, pets, or services that you want in the game. You can also trade gold for real money on trusted platforms like G2G1, where you can find thousands of buyers and sellers.
You can join a professional boosting community like DAWN2 or Overgear3, where you can find reliable and high-quality boosters and customers. You can also enjoy the benefits of management, support, and security that these platforms provide. You can also get discounts, bonuses, and rewards for being a loyal booster or customer.
You can have fun and challenge yourself by boosting different types of content and characters. You can also learn new strategies and tactics from other boosters and improve your own gameplay. You can also set your own schedule and prices and work at your own pace.
As you can see, selling boosts for gold in World of Warcraft is not only profitable, but also enjoyable and rewarding.
toxic pewter
funneling gear to people is like a poor mans loadout
lusty grotto
you do know you have to unlock weapons to have them on your loadout in CoD/warzone right?
crude notch
Selling boosts for gold in World of Warcraft is a great way to earn some extra income while playing the game you love. Here are some of the benefits of selling boosts for gold:
You can use your skills and experience to help other players achieve their goals, whether itโs clearing a raid, getting a high PvP rating, or obtaining a rare mount or achievement. You can also share your tips and tricks with them and make new friends along the way.
You can earn a lot of gold by selling boosts, which you can use to buy items, mounts, pets, or services that you want in the game. You can also trade gold for real money on trusted platforms like G2G1, where you can find thousands of buyers and sellers.
You can join a professional boosting community like DAWN2 or Overgear3, where you can find reliable and high-quality boosters and customers. You can also enjoy the benefits of management, support, and security that these platforms provide. You can also get discounts, bonuses, and rewards for being a loyal booster or customer.
You can have fun and challenge yourself by boosting different types of content and characters. You can also learn new strategies and tactics from other boosters and improve your own gameplay. You can also set your own schedule and prices and work at your own pace.
As you can see, selling boosts for gold in World of Warcraft is not only profitable, but also enjoyable and rewarding.
toxic pewter
wat is this wall of text
cerulean tusk
toxic pewter
like people want to just get items and equip them without work.. so blizz should just let people buy items straight up
cerulean tusk
From the store?
cerulean tusk
Geti'Ikku, 447, 5 dollars
toxic pewter
from there
crude notch
Geti'Ikku, 447, 5 dollars
sold
toxic pewter
why is this idea so farfetched and frowned upon
cerulean tusk
Gavel, 451, 20 dollars
toxic pewter
lol boosting ok
cerulean tusk
I dont know man
toxic pewter
items from store BAD
cerulean tusk
sounds like he would make bobby happy
toxic pewter
LOL
plush tendon
I meanโฆ they should let us buy items from M+ dungeons with those M+ coins
toxic pewter
I am just pointing out the cognitive dissonance occurring
cerulean tusk
If you are comparing boosting services, to directly buying it from the ingame shop... Oh my.
toxic pewter
like you all are pro boosting, then I say just sell items from store and you berate me
LOL
lusty grotto
๐ #protection message
plush tendon
But rmt for items from the blizzard storeโฆ naw fam
lusty grotto
you know how you unlock weapons? by playing
dusky canopy
Hmm, Iโd probably support deterministic loot over the rng loot system weโve always had
cerulean tusk
you know how you unlock weapons? by playing
tell me more
toxic pewter
if you are pro boosting then you are pro item shop
like why deal with actually doin the raid
cerulean tusk
Nah, item shop would make my gold... wait a sec...
I can convert gold into bnet currency...
Carry on
cerulean tusk
Hear hear!
dusky canopy
Like the legion artifact weapons were so sick and that was deterministic power gain
cerulean tusk
Abp for blizzard president!
toxic pewter
because you have to have people be able to boost the raid
? what do you care? u just want ur items
cerulean tusk
because you have to have people be able to boost the raid
easy fix, it is locked till Hall of Fame is unlocked
modern brook
I loved spamming maw of souls for 65 ap
south zealot
easy fix, it is locked till Hall of Fame is unlocked
still a dogshit fix
dusky canopy
Bull it was cringe but you know itโs true
cerulean tusk
After HoF is unlocked, gear no longer matter
south zealot
"fix"
dusky canopy
It was deterministic
cerulean tusk
To the store we go!
modern brook
I loved legion but there were exactly 2 problems with it
The artifact power system was one of em
crude notch
๐ https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/113962497...
thank you, lol. I'm like clearly apb doesn't know how COD works.
cerulean tusk
It didnt have long enough execute phases?
torpid fiber
I loved legion but there were exactly 2 problems with it
Our lame arms artifact weapon?
dusky canopy
Gear always matters!
thatโs something I hard disagree with when people say otherwise.
This is a game designed around character progression
cerulean tusk
That it did end removing all our cool stuff? Making classes feel gutted for years after?
THAT IT KILLED ODYN'S FURY WHEN IT ENDED?!
toxic pewter
thank you, lol. I'm like clearly apb doesn't know how COD works.
the example of game provided is of little import. The point I was making is, there is little to no difference in effectively purchasing a boost to get a set of items and just paying activision blizz for a loadout. So cod still works even, as you just pay the dev directly instead of the middle man in both cases
and effectively it is the end result of any pay for loot situation
cerulean tusk
Abp aint talking lies. It is a bit twisted logic, but it is sound.
So - Geti'Ikku in stores near you soon
lusty grotto
but that's not how loadouts work
south zealot
lol
toxic pewter
well then forget loadout terminology, can call it blizzard wow shop item purchasing store extraordinaire
Iam against wow item shop
dusky canopy
His argument is that thereโs no difference between buying a bis loadout from a blizzard shop and being funneled bis gear from a boost or two in game by players
crude notch
that's a mouthful
lusty grotto
do you have any other examples apb? because the amount of games that let you buy non-cosmetic power gains are limited only to mobile due to community uproar
cerulean tusk
So, we can pay for full gear packages - like the Fury Warrior Gavel bundle loadout.
crude notch
We should kill any and all boosting, paid or unpaid, no trading loot at all,
That'll get people to play more, surely.
crude notch
Community participation will be at an all time high!
daring marlin
Ok I'm between sets
cerulean tusk
"So why are you doing this again? You are fully decked out and maxed at all fronts."
"community engagement! "
daring marlin
weird elitist gear jannies making hyperbolic arguments against boosts still?
crazy
toxic pewter
do you have any other examples apb? because the amount of games that let you buy...
i asked chatgpt and it mentioned 6 pc games with pay to win in it right now
cerulean tusk
Nah, it just rolled back
dusky canopy
Ultimately I think a lot of anti boost people have the rose tinted glasses on and wish the game felt the same way it did in 2007 but unfortunately nothing we do will ever bring that back.
lusty grotto
ok and which are those?
jagged gust
i asked chatgpt and it mentioned 6 pc games with pay to win in it right now
chatgpt also thinks 3*2=5
cerulean tusk
Bejewled
crude notch
Ultimately I think a lot of anti boost people have the rose tinted glasses on an...
But there was boosting back then
cerulean tusk
What do we define as pay to win btw?
crude notch
Bejeweled is mobile
dusky canopy
Not even remotely equivalent to what we have now though
cerulean tusk
No, first we need to define what is pay to win ._.
modern brook
do we tho?
modern brook
can we not just like talk about anything else
cerulean tusk
Or Jordan will talk about A, and Nim about B, then never agreeing as they never can
crude notch
Nim and I agree on a lot of things actually
jagged gust
What do we define as pay to win btw?
Hero, I know you'd like to play another dungeon, but you're out of energy! For only 5000 crystal shards you can rejuvenate your soul!" (Shards only selling in packs of 4500 and cost 5 dollars a pack)
crude notch
I wasn't the weirdo flinging poo like you and augusto
dusky canopy
No, first we need to define what is pay to win ._.
Any challenging service provided to you for a currency in exchange is a boost. With exclusion of crafting because that is a trade service with a time investment associated to it not a skill
modern brook
is there a way to boost crafting?
cerulean tusk
if so WoW is very pay to win
modern brook
like i want to power lvel my blacksmithing - can i?
toxic pewter
many do consider the wow token p2w
cerulean tusk
is there a way to boost crafting?
you can buy all the mats, and skill points, getting them farmed for you in raid.
toxic pewter
cuz it increases convenience
dusky canopy
No but I added that little bit at the end because Iโm sure it would have been tossed out there otherwise
crude notch
I feel like @lusty grotto and I were having proper discussion, that doesn't mean we have to agree with each other in the end, we both literally asked questions that were information seeking and were getting to understand each other's point of views better.
lusty grotto
i would say we reached a good common point
crude notch
I'll still kiss the homie gn later
toxic pewter
yes, agreed
modern brook
many do consider the wow token p2w
wow tokens p2w cause u can spend 20 dollars and then buy 447 gear off the ah
toxic pewter
we are in a good place of understanding
dusky canopy
I feel like this is a proper discussion/debate for the most part
crude notch
apb no one will ever understand you
modern brook
nothing to do with convenience
cerulean tusk
So WoW is already pay to win
torpid fiber
like i want to power lvel my blacksmithing - can i?
Itโll likely take you months to catch up to people who started at the beginning of the xpac
crude notch
you're too big brain for us
daring marlin
Funky might
dusky canopy
Nothing wrong with a crowd of people having varying viewpoints
toxic pewter
apb no one will ever understand you
wat u mean, just had multiple people agree with me
daring marlin
They're both sociopaths
toxic pewter
O_O
daring marlin
cerulean tusk
I can understand what you are saying, I simply don't agree to all of it
cerulean tusk
But, if by definition, p2w is the abilty to be boosted through something for currency. Then I guess anything is P2W
crude notch
is friendship a currency?
cerulean tusk
I presume it is
crude notch
Because without my friendship to someone else I wouldn't get half my "carries" as you weirdos nitpickly call it
toxic pewter
it is considered social currency
dusky canopy
Apb lmao
crude notch
Time is money friend, so any "carry" is in fact a boost.
jagged gust
like i want to power lvel my blacksmithing - can i?
There's about 120 points available immediately with about 1-2 hours of farming, which will get you to max craft for ~2 pieces of armor or 1-2 weapon types of the same sub-class.
dusky canopy
This convo cracks me up
cerulean tusk
Time is money friend, so any "carry" is in fact a boost.
but not every boost is part of the boosting discussion
modern brook
There's about 120 points available immediately with about 1-2 hours of farming, ...
is there a guide somewhere for this
i assume wowhead actually
I'll just google it
dusky canopy
Bull the google master
modern brook
Bull the google master
it owns
dusky canopy
Weโll have answers in a second
modern brook
it has every answer ive ever needed
jagged gust
wowhead kinda but the info is disseminated across several guides, I wrote a tldr a few weeks ago
cerulean tusk
I'll just google it
Go the raid, if alchemy, kill the slime boys. Repeat.
crude notch
If google don't have the answer, I don't want it.
modern brook
wowhead kinda but the info is disseminated across several guides, I wrote a tldr...
any chance i can get a link to that tldr?
dusky canopy
If google doesnโt give an answer do you just forget about it and move on?
Probably the play right?
cerulean tusk
If google don't have the answer, I don't want it.
maybe Bing can help? 
jagged gust
bro watch reservation dogs, its great
modern brook
oh thanks
crude notch
i can't find it beyond that pls hold
crude notch
cerulean tusk
google sreally not helping tn
try Bing
crude notch
i'm so good at this game
jagged gust
your googlefu is unmatch senpai
modern brook
its not loading for me t-t
crude notch
I searched "willy" got the date and then searched 447.
jagged gust
also go back a couple comments for what you need to put your skills into
jagged gust
go get em tiger
modern brook
I have been in loam for exactly 1 forced campaign march
proper roost
I don't even think Loamm was out in March. Bit sus
proper roost
you think i can perform this mid naturally?
not sure how you google so fast.. as your web browser isnt much diff from mine, also... your google search history.. was this AI generated or did you play?
jagged gust
i think for bs it's loamm, the horse people and the accord
so that's 30 points you're gated behind depending on your sitch
still enough to max out 1, and then another on weekly reset
jagged gust
jfc, you just didn't touch any quests did you lmao
modern brook
I had to get an ogrimar tabbard to get to revered with ogrimmar on my orc warrior who's existed for 12 years
jagged gust
hitting 14 is the first tier of knowledge books, second at 24, but 14 is basically doing the quest chain of each zone
cerulean tusk
I had to get an ogrimar tabbard to get to revered with ogrimmar on my orc warrio...
"Ah, Zugbar, the Champion of Azeroth, Slayer of the Alliance, Chainbreaker and Famed Slayer of Zo'val...
... I think I have seen you around here before... who are you?"
cerulean tusk
That... is actually relatable
proper roost
Cannot relate
daring marlin
kanga never jungled before smh
daring marlin
๐
toxic pewter
how much damage should a disc priest be doing these days
proper roost
Wow what a great and not loaded question
Apb must have gone through a software update
uneven mason
how much damage should a disc priest be doing these days
n > 0
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
Wow what a great and not loaded question
wat u mean how is it loaded
people ask questions like that all the time
proper roost
toxic pewter
yeah I guess now with aug cant ask it anymore now that you mention it
proper roost
He's still talking to himself
daring marlin
proper roost
toxic pewter
not sure why you guys are trolling me, just asked a simple question
toxic pewter
wat u mean
sick sentinel
me vs game mechanics
toxic pewter
hmmm
daring marlin
Shoulders deadge
modern brook
Shoulders deadge
send me an atlas pose selfie please
crude notch
|| with a speedo only||
modern brook
with a speedo only
crude notch
wtf
modern brook
good call
lusty grotto
๐ค
lusty tiger
Guilfordโs atlas poses are reserved for my DMs only
toxic pewter
how hard is that to understand?
it is true.. sometimes I have trouble nailing down specific/very minute details.. just another 'symptom' of my way of thinking, heh
appreciate the feedback
crude notch
you make me wish my mother aborted me.
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
O_O
lusty tiger
sick sentinel
mods coming to break up fight between X and Y
crude notch
012345678
crude notch
You said name every number on my credit card
toxic pewter
jeree need money to support his chinese food addiction
lusty tiger
Yea your cc uses every digit 0-9?
crude notch
nah just 0-8
lusty tiger
Tru
toxic pewter
visa always start with 4, amex always 3, master card 5, discoer 6
crude notch
false
modern brook
Or someone listing ccs and numbers and hoping for the best
sick sentinel
in reality, i dont know alot of people with more than 1 or 2 credit cards
urban portal
maybe thats just the ppl you hangout with
at least 1 for food, 1 for gas, 1 for traveling
rest is whatever
toxic pewter
i have 7 credit cards
toxic pewter
i am a jersey mike fan myself, hell I even enjoy subway
lusty tiger
i prefer the train
crude notch
i prefer doms
lusty grotto
i miss quiznos carbonara one
lusty tiger
quiznos 
frozen rose
confirming....all of sark's tank hits...its just phys damage upfront, right? the debuff is all magic dmg after
lusty tiger
hot sandwitch >>>>>>> cold sandwitch
lusty grotto
confirming....all of sark's tank hits...its just phys damage upfront, right? the...
correct
shouldnt have any issues with checking spell block with him lol
because that hasnt changed
(unless it has)
frozen rose
word thx. im reading...1.9mil phys dmg hit initial, i didnt notice my hp bar go down at all. prot war life i gues
@lusty grotto can you clarify, the block prevent the debuff if I have it up on/prior to the cast? or just DR after the cast goes out
frozen rose
word for DR, yup that's what im doin'
daring marlin
I don't eat cold cuts unless I visit new york
none of these "subs" are worth a shit
sick sentinel
crude notch
daring marlin
You could time a 20 with 5 prot warriors
crude notch
log innnnnnn
sick sentinel
5 prot warrior key sounds like hell
crude notch
ye
sick sentinel
you don't get invites as a rogue
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> can you clarify, the block prevent the debuff if I have it...
ideallly you should use it on casts so it covers the entire thing, if you're talking about void slash
daring marlin
you don't get invites as a rogue
wat
sick sentinel
its true
lusty grotto
its yogi
daring marlin
the enigma
toxic pewter
just had an illidan dh compliment me
lusty grotto
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daring marlin
Meh. D3 was a much bigger turd on launch. It eventually got super fun.
lusty grotto
well from what ive heard so far, i agree
i played d3 on launch so
ill buy d4 eventually when it goes down in price
warm plinth
What's going on with d4?
jagged gust
D3 was just a years worth of beta testing, then they released the full game and called it an xpac
lusty grotto
i heard the story is much better this time around.. d3's was dogshit until the expansion
toxic pewter
d4 story was cool
toxic pewter
i beat campain and just stopped playing
lusty grotto
yeah it was