#protection
lusty tiger
cinder nova
Just #protection things. Gotta love how hands-off this channel is. I've been in discords where even a whiff of non-pertinent discussion is stamped out.
cunning inlet
Do any of you guys have issues picking up all the lashers that spawn from the oaks as you go up the hill in BH? Any secret tech?
cinder nova
Do any of you guys have issues picking up all the lashers that spawn from the oa...
Just be aware of it and use revenge and TC
They don't spawn overly far from the source mob, all you gotta do is move a few feet, throw some AOE, pivot.
lusty tiger
Do any of you guys have issues picking up all the lashers that spawn from the oa...
2 sides of the same coin, u gotta be slick w picking them up and the dps have to be careful to not overnuke while you pull
team effort
cinder nova
It could also help if you had auras or timers that specifically alert you to it so you only need to think about it when it's happening instead of keeping your head on a constant swivel.
I dunno, the DPS can go whole hog on lashers.
They don't do damage anyway.
cinder nova
Do they?
warm plinth
yep
cunning inlet
Yea, bleed. Priest mass dispell and the cauldrons help a lot
cinder nova
Highest BH I've done is 22 Fort so I could be at the point where I don't feel it.
...cauldrons?
What cauldrons?
crude notch
kekw
warm plinth
This is the bleed average hit in a 20 I did yesterday
cunning inlet
There are cauldrons alchomists can open all around in there.
cunning inlet
Yea, very yummy stuff
cinder nova
What does it do?
cunning inlet
Dispells the bleed
cinder nova
Hmm... I dunno if you need it, but maybe you do if the keys are high enough like I said.
cunning inlet
You can tank hear them and dip in as needed.
cinder nova
Generally, though, I just kinda press W and AOE when they pop.
warm plinth
That's basically one stack so
cinder nova
Then go back to what I was doing.
cunning inlet
I pug mostely and people die all the time to the bleeds and breath
cinder nova
The... kickable breath?
warm plinth
This is 2 stacks
cunning inlet
Yes
cinder nova
I must be high, I've never noticed a bleed until now.
crude notch
lol
cunning inlet
lol
crude notch
tbf you also thought the totem spawning mechanic was a lie.
cunning inlet
People dont seem to see the totums.
cinder nova
Not a lie, skeptical because it didn't seem obvious how it oriented in the way Dargruul add or Ularog totems drop.
cunning inlet
so never kill them
cinder nova
But I also tanked it in the center of the room, which didn't help my perception of it.
Since it was easier to plant and get uptime than wander about.
cunning inlet
I mean totoms in the trash.
cinder nova
I mean, you're gonna get that even in 20 and up. People just ignore totems in all keys, for some reason.
warm plinth
Hmm, actually, looking at logs, it might be affected by armor weirdly enough @cinder nova
cinder nova
Probably why I didn't give a shit or notice until you guys pointed it out.
cunning inlet
hahaha
warm plinth
It hurt our clothies a lot but me and the shaman healer didn't take shit for damage from it
warm plinth
yikes
cunning inlet
When it stacks at 20 or so with no dispell, death becomes one.
cinder nova
Like that has any bearing.
cunning inlet
Will, see, I am pretty sketch at counting. Need help
warm plinth
LOL
cinder nova
Rot singer totems are easily overlooked if you don't have a thing that automarks them
They get lost in the noise since you can usually double or triple with a single rotsinger.
warm plinth
In lower keys (like, 20 or lower), it's generally okay to ignore them as long as people focus the rotsinger
cunning inlet
Yea
warm plinth
You're not gonna kill the totem before the first cast anyway and it takes a while for the 2nd cast to happen
So you can probably kill the rotsinger before there's a second cast
cinder nova
Yeah, i mean - that's the point. Some people just don't do mechanics and it causes keys to brick.
Never learn, refuse to change.
warm plinth
Yeah you basically have to either all focus the totem or all focus the rotsinger
cinder nova
The mechanic is kill the totem, not cleave like an ape.
daring marlin
23 I did with Kanga all the dps were good about it tho
warm plinth
But you have some trying to kill the totem and some just ignoring iit blatantly and just padding
cinder nova
Usually people doing 23s are doing 23s because they execute.
warm plinth
And then you have the tanks that have the pack 80 yards from the totem
cunning inlet
Speaking of people who dont do a machanics. Do you continue the key even if its over time ( and they get IO ) or do you stop?
cinder nova
I'm almost 2900 so I just leave keys these days.
cunning inlet
I find tone of people hahve respectable IO and know little to no machanics ?
cinder nova
Not worth the extra 20 minutes of my life to not get io and gear I don't need for a vault that doesn't matter.
My only upgrades now are mild secondary balances, which, ultimately, don't really matter, and 450s from Echo/Sark
Which I doubt I'll get since tank prio on gear is kinda low for CE
crude notch
🙂
cunning inlet
Seems keys in the 23-25 range are reasonable. Keys in the 16-120 range are complete shit shows.
cinder nova
I find tone of people hahve respectable IO and know little to no machanics ?
You'd be surprised the number of players that lack a more comprehensive knowledge of dungeon or raid mechanics. After a certain point there's just a small host of dedicated players that are bearing the weight of coordiantion and it's easier for people to simply obey direction with the bare minimum of awareness of a mechanic's function than know the entire thing front to back.
cinder nova
Seems keys in the 23-25 range are reasonable. Keys in the 16-120 range are compl...
15s are harder than 20s and up from players just being dookie.
cunning inlet
16-20
cinder nova
There is such a thing as too much info.
kind urchin
Even some people in 20's don't have a clue.
warm plinth
It's more likely I'll leave due to the timer in a 21+ key but in alt keys I generally stay unless it's going to be like, wayyyy over
I really hate the no score bullshit in 21+
cunning inlet
On my bear I am recognising people now. Am trying to get my PWar geared and up and the struggle is real
warm plinth
such a stupid change
cinder nova
Unless you really enjoy the fantasy of Warrior, or simply enjoy having a full roster of tanks to pick from at your leisure, I dunno why you'd swap off bear besides it being boring as hell to play.
lusty grotto
23 I did with Kanga all the dps were good about it tho
cinder nova
Yeah it fucks.
NL is my favorite key. So much boss reflects.
My best NL SR overall was like... 13m damage.
cunning inlet
The last boss in their is so sketch on bear. War doesnt even notiec there is a boss.
warm plinth
It's definitely more fun now to play bear than it was, tbf
cinder nova
It's definitely more fun now to play bear than it was, tbf
2 x 0 = 0
Granted, I'm only 427 on my bear, but I couldn't stand it for more than a couple keys.
daring marlin
https://tenor.com/view/what-nani-marmot-squirrel-turn-around-gif-15557594
WE FUCKED THAT TOTEM
cinder nova
I was literally zoning out, and I hate that.
lusty grotto
WE FUCKED THAT TOTEM
cunning inlet
Nooo.. Bear is pretty fun. Long range moonfires, raze, changing into cat form while tanking. All good.
daring marlin
Nimchip is the 🐐
warm plinth
If you want long range sniping, just beacon from 50 yards away 🙂
Still blown away at the range of that thing lol
daring marlin
cinder nova
Yeah it's kinda wild.
cunning inlet
Have no beacon. No one loves me
cunning inlet
Right. The world is unfair I tell you.
daring marlin
Refer to my last image honnks
cunning inlet
lol
daring marlin
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/euu-gif-25682408
cunning inlet
Now I feel very sad. no beacon at all. Not even one.
torpid fiber
uldaman is the poop
sick sentinel
uldaman is the poop
uldaman is poop
FTFY
daring marlin
steak
opaque quest
Uldaman is my last 22/23 i need. Just thinking about crocs and sneks makes me wanna cut myself
lusty grotto
oh the chronic last boss leaver is back
daring marlin
lusty grotto
blocked messages lets go
crude notch
i've never heard of someone even being reported for leaving imagine how often you have to do it to even get banned
odd nimbus
should we still go all in for haste?like what is our goal for unbuffed haste percentage?
sick sentinel
i wouldnt mind a personal "block this user for 1 day or 1 week" thing
lusty grotto
hello?
sick sentinel
maybe i just don't want to speak to that person, at all, that week
lusty grotto
didnt you just see me type like 2 lines above?
opaque quest
Aye true. But a permanent block is fine. Some people just cant let shit go
Some will never grow up and will always be butthurt. Probably peaked in high school and still think of those days too
lusty grotto
as long as they keep leaving before last boss, and not keep their dumb tank ego in check, im glad im perma blocked
in fact i relish it
leaving before a last boss should never be celebrated
people like that shouldn't play period
they make the experience bad for everyone
keen epoch
yeah i leave before a 2nd boss or i dont
opaque quest
Same. Bad groups usualy show up on the first few packs
Some idiots just think me saying before final boss means right on final boss
lusty grotto
lmao
guy literally boasted about it
then said HE HAD BEEN BANNED FOR DERANKING
the guy is flexing being an asshole
blocked messages ftw
south zealot
you’re both childish and annoying
grow up
either communicate or dont
stop expressing how much you dislike the other person
modern gazelle
oh shit did the new episode of prot warrior soap start?
cinder nova
Nim
modern gazelle
thought that wasnt till next week
cinder nova
Do you have the sacred texts?
opaque quest
Holy fuck. I come back and see 11 blocked messages
crude notch
more importantly can either of you answer the question that was actually asked
sick sentinel
i went on a rabbit hole about ebikes and it lead me to something called quadra cycle and then i found this rediculous thing.
cinder nova
There was an old meme in SL of PWarr rotation being a stupid MS paint graphic
I need it
sick sentinel
2 adults 2 children supposedly
opaque quest
More like me and 3 drunk friends
modern gazelle
more importantly can either of you answer the question that was actually asked
seems that gets done less and less these days in this channel
sick sentinel
thats what the article says
crude notch
should we still go all in for haste?like what is our goal for unbuffed haste per...
Cap is 7100, so you're not reasonably gonna hit this season at least. alwways remember to go for ilvl first and foremost
lusty grotto
should we still go all in for haste?like what is our goal for unbuffed haste per...
see my name?
there
modern gazelle
should we still go all in for haste?like what is our goal for unbuffed haste per...
Basically all crit+haste, you can start simming it once you are basically geared out id say, but even with almost all crit haste gear it still sims the same as like mastery/verse for me does at this point, though mastery has started to sim better
sick sentinel
i would want something like that but it has a bit of a roof, and you can sutomize how many seats are in there
modern gazelle
unbuffed i have 32% haste and buffed im at like 45%, i also have 30% crit
opaque quest
Youre thinking about a golf cart
keen epoch
U should try to get to 250% mastery
sick sentinel
less weight that way
sick sentinel
well no, cuz a golf cart is too big has to be like 1-2 person
opaque quest
There are smol ones with the backseat and stuff removed tho
keen epoch
sorry about that (taylor's version) i'll only troll people asking fake questions from now on
odd nimbus
thanks everyone who answered
crude notch
yw, good luck
sick sentinel
1 seat in the front 1 in the back, exactly way it is now maybe skinnier, i just thought it waas a really pepega car thing and that i'd shar eit
modern gazelle
thanks everyone who answered
remember crit is a defense stat as well
opaque quest
Im all for goofy ah stuff
lusty grotto
kovok is another one of those guys
opaque quest
odd nimbus
remember crit is a defense stat as well
does it work good vs magic?
lusty grotto
that has nothing else to do but try to start shit
keen epoch
ah the red names are mad
lusty grotto
now hes claiming the badge of "trolling"
sick sentinel
thats what i mean, no, i don't want golf cart
too much roof
just like a taller windsheild really
keen epoch
Ay man he beswtowed
modern gazelle
does it work good vs magic?
it increases parry, we don't have a ton for magic unfortunately besides IP and spell reflect (20% reduction)
odd nimbus
thanks guys and gals
lusty tiger
i used to ride a tandem bicycle
crude notch
like why is it such a hard ask to not troll people actually looking for help?
Why is that turned around as us being "mad"?
modern gazelle
correct me if im wrong @crude notch but i dont believe magic damage can be parried, in which case crit doesnt help with that @odd nimbus but the main source of damage in any dungeon is melee/physical usually with the exception of Ulda and Neltharus where you can take spell block if needed
opaque quest
Might be able to cut the roof 😄
lusty grotto
dont worry i had an argument with Belthazzar the other day concerning it
its wrong and yes they shouldn't do it
this is not a tight nit circle where every meme is recognized
new players not in the know come in here all the time
and we have enough lurkers as it is
even if they dont ask the questions
modern gazelle
this is not a tight nit circle where every meme is recognized
im here every day basically and i dont even know what you guys are talking about half the time, you guys send like 300 messages per 10min
lusty grotto
yeah
sick sentinel
Might be able to cut the roof 😄
golf cart
modern gazelle
sometimes ill think of a question, alt tab to do something in game and come back a few min later having to scroll a hundred messages up...
lusty grotto
so yes red names mad @keen epoch, what's the problem with that again?
lusty tiger
the worst vehicle in "just cause 2"
daring marlin
lusty tiger
:3
sick sentinel
the worst vehicle in "just cause 2"
nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not even close
lusty tiger
nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not even close
???????
lusty tiger
whats the worst one yogi
sick sentinel
there was some huge huge huge dump truck or missile truck u can get in, those suck to drive
0.00000000000000000001 mph
sick sentinel
its like a tower
crude notch
I'm not mad, just disappointed.
sick sentinel
i cant remmber
crude notch
🙂
lusty tiger
because you could tether other vehicles to it
opaque quest
Just drive the nasa thing that brings the rockets
lusty grotto
lol they can call it however they want jordan
crude notch
I'm disappointed that no one can answer the simple question I asked
neither kovok or belt answered it
lusty tiger
I'm disappointed that no one can answer the simple question I asked
🐔 🍝
crude notch
lol
daring marlin
no
lusty grotto
apparently we're in the year 2000 and "U MAD?" is still a thing lmao
crude notch
we're onto 🐔 🍚
daring marlin
It's fuckin' STEAK TACO NIGHT
sick sentinel
get rekt
crude notch
oh is it?
sick sentinel
100% completion
lusty tiger
It's fuckin' STEAK TACO NIGHT
hUGE
sick sentinel
i actually 100% beat that game all except 2 there is a water tower, and i cant remember the other item
but they don't spawn in cant edit them to spawn in to be killed on console
so you get stuck 99.98%
............... i have it on steam, and i got like .... 30% done right now..... but i don't wanna 100% that again
crude notch
is your console name really xlordkarnagex?
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rtTz3gYgqM thus the name
opaque quest
The X`s tho
sick sentinel
cuz base lordkarnage was taken
opaque quest
Makes sense
sick sentinel
XXT3NTACIONLUVERGANGSTAXX49
opaque quest
It took me longer than it shouldve to read that
sick sentinel
SN1P3WULFBEAST
daring marlin
had a buddy in halo 2
He ran around with the missile icon
and a name similar to bin ladin
since, you know, had to be different
Had some funny friends in Halo 2 tbh. I was 14/15 and played with a 42 year old Sgt stationed over in Iraq. Dude was hilarious. XBL was a trip.
Hope that guy is still gamin
lusty grotto
theres a guy in battlefield that does combat voice over
i think he does it in warzone as well
there's a few videos of him doing it
warm plinth
dang the voice actor for Dale in King of the Hill died
warm plinth
He wasn't that old either, only 64
lusty grotto
🇫
daring marlin
dang the voice actor for Dale in King of the Hill died
ye sadge
Twitter
Is this hyperbole?
warm plinth
Maybe not intentional but it seems like it to me lol
lusty grotto
but i havent seen healer dps meters
warm plinth
They were significant but I certainly don't think it was that bad
lusty grotto
like they should be in line with other healers now
which was the intention
but look
lusty grotto
🤷
sick sentinel
is rdruid really that bad
warm plinth
Well, to be fair, this is only one day of data.
The only option above that is a week and that would put us before reset
But it's not different from the week one anyway so
crude notch
i don't think he was talking about damage tbf
and you don't have to change it to one day because the partition
they are at the bottom of the healing charts now
lusty grotto
yikes
well
that goes with what ive been saying all along, blizzard is approaching class tuning very wrong
lusty grotto
at least these last few changes have not been well thought out
crude notch
wait until you find out what holy nova does on priests now lol
lusty grotto
yeah i saw the flash heal thing
sick sentinel
HN for priest used to be huge pepega
lusty grotto
idk why they insist on nerfing everything instead of buffing everything up to those edge cases as a base
sick sentinel
drama farming
crude notch
because nerfing 1 outlier is easier than buffing 6.
daring marlin
idk why they insist on nerfing everything instead of buffing everything up to th...
jordan gonna hit you with the 36v5 argument
crude notch
Same thing happens either way
daring marlin
which is based
crude notch
Also, if you buff 6 healers to "be on par" with hpal, someone still gonna be overbuffed or underbuffed.
lusty grotto
but regardless there will always be a meta
lusty grotto
why you baiting guilford
crude notch
And lastly, with this weeks tuning (not trying to dogpile i promise), they did buff 2 healers.
daring marlin
crude notch
People only see the 6 specs that got nerfed, they don't see the 9 that got buffed
crude notch
oh that did remind i wanted to look at MM in raid last night because their sims are nuts
daring marlin
smh my head bros
crude notch
who's THE main ST boss. I know there's a few but
Kazzara probably the best for garnering who's strongest in ST, right?
lusty grotto
kazz is good for hunters though
south zealot
rashok is 5-6 minutes which is good
lusty grotto
well except for uhh surv
modern gazelle
Clearly at the bottom
shamans go brrr???????????
south zealot
i am genius trust me always
crude notch
dang warlocks
well auggie v and dev looking similar but that's ignoring all the non-damage related stuff that auggie v brings
those SPriest ST nerfs
yikes
crude notch
imagine being below feral
modern gazelle
whats healing looking like this patch for the specs?
lusty grotto
thats why i was raging at the changes
crude notch
i fucking feel bad for them
they're gonna get nuked over and over until they do no damage AND still get brought
lusty grotto
yeah
modern gazelle
also only a few more 7% overall damage increases for us and maybe we'll be up there on the charts xD
lusty grotto
i wouldnt doubt it at all
crude notch
Like idk how you miss the boat so hard on that
lusty grotto
its been what ive been saying all along
crude notch
It's pretty flipping obvious why they're brought
turn on one TGP weekend and you'll see it mentioned numerous times
sick sentinel
tTHE RAVAGER REEEEEE
daring marlin
hah loser
crude notch
what am i missing about UH?
It's killing it in ST, it's killing it in AoE. What's it problem? Can it not do both in an M+ setting?
crude notch
ignore me I had "damage to bosses" selected for every raid fight lol
strong forum
crude notch
LEAVE ME ALONE NOME
strong forum
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
:chatting:
daring marlin
outside the cds tho they just do dam with kisses
toxic pewter
i do big dam
south zealot
It's killing it in ST, it's killing it in AoE. What's it problem? Can it not do ...
no
obviously u were on damage to bosses but their aoe is only okay
crude notch
ye i see that now
south zealot
they can shine in MASS aoe but even then are beat out by others
they also lose a lot of st to do so
crude notch
what cheese is happening here????
daring marlin
bone shatter
crude notch
nerf blood 🙂
toxic pewter
IM IN BABY
IM NITRO'D UP REAL GOOD
feel like I just drank a nitro cold brew
IM WIRED
warm plinth
daring marlin
crude notch
5% off bear. 5% to PWar, 10% to BDK, everything solved, right?
south zealot
5% off bear. 5% to PWar, 10% to BDK, everything solved, right?
throw like 3% to vdh and yeah
looks about how i personally would balance it
crude notch
huge DRW
plush tendon
its why blizz is so scared to buff em XD
crude notch
love bdks doing bdks
south zealot
bdk does good aoe
they just need deathstrike damage buff
an aura buff would be a mistake imo
plush tendon
we at 41% aura buff on blood
crude notch
plush tendon
my biggest complaint about blood is the talent tree.... but that aint getting solved with a rework
which I doubt theyll do this expac
but a man can copium
south zealot
yes blood has the worst spec tree ever
plush tendon
theres a lot of WTF talents
daring marlin
my biggest complaint about blood is the talent tree.... but that aint getting so...
tell them your idea
The 5 target suck
BLOOD DRINKER
plush tendon
blood drinker suck
south zealot
a third of your talents have literally 0 potential use cases, another third are taken because its slightly worse than fucking nothing and the other third are solid
imagine if consumption wasnt a dps AND hps loss
plush tendon
the consumption/blood drinker row should be a interesting choice node for blood players
daring marlin
bro
plush tendon
one for cleave/aoe the other ST or lower target counts
but noooo, they are just terrible
plush tendon
then we got these stupid ass DnD talents with crimson scrouge.... but we hard DnD
and never actually use crimson scourge or else we lose 6% damage, 5% DR and 5% haste for some stupid reason
daring marlin
Because...!
plush tendon
and then we got stupid trap talents like rune tap
but i digress
the spec is playable
and will always be the tank I play for raid since its usually required for one fight and generally busted for the final fight
south zealot
grips fuck on a statistical average
plush tendon
when a grip is needed for a fight, its legit the most important thing
daring marlin
I remember arguing with Griff(shocker) in here about bonestorm in S1 BFA cuz he said nobody pushed with it
...common griff L...
plush tendon
well, you couldnt I dont think
crude notch
DF S2 doomed, PoE patch notes cursed.
Maybe I buy BG3.
plush tendon
cause it was on a talent tree with purg
daring marlin
They certainly did tho
plush tendon
and for pushing.... purg is kind of nice
plush tendon
last resort I would say is in a even shittier spot for DHs
south zealot
it was busted then dogshit then busted again
plush tendon
the fiery brand talents and fragility are siq mechs
and losing one to take the cheat is such a feels bad
south zealot
yes its worse for dh bc they have good talents
plush tendon
theres so much cool stuff with the VDH tree... there just aint enough points
but I guess prot war is not much better with our tree... its pretty static across the board
warm plinth
VDH tree and DH class tree both suck so fucking bad
plush tendon
but its mostly the capstone talents on the right prot side which are sadge
warm plinth
They have so much bloat of unnecessary talents and a lot of the cool shit in the class tree is not reachable
plush tendon
warm plinth
How are you gonna have like 5 talents modifying the absolute worst tank mitigation spell in the game
plush tendon
and their tier set this tier is really cool
warm plinth
and it's still the worst
plush tendon
gonna be sad whens its gone
daring marlin
They should put Gorefiend's in DK class tree
warm plinth
That would be cool
plush tendon
im fine with that
daring marlin
So FDK and UDH can never take it
plush tendon
blood never takes it unless its like actually needed
daring marlin
plush tendon
or abom doesnt cover it
warm plinth
Yeah, it's somewhat hard to get to right?
because you're giving up a good talent no matter what
plush tendon
its not terrible to get
warm plinth
I just mean from what you're giving up for it
plush tendon
its just a nuisance
south zealot
hemostasis
plush tendon
prob more so in M+
warm plinth
right, that makes sense
plush tendon
fucking love hemeostasis
daring marlin
A tree update for blood would be neat
warm plinth
That's the increased death strike from blood boil right?
daring marlin
Like they did for FDK.
plush tendon
yea
south zealot
at a point u take so much damage u dont need
plush tendon
at a point u take so much damage u dont need
its also extra death strike damage
warm plinth
I need to find one of those huckster chiropractors that do that y strap thing
Just pop my head off rq
warm plinth
Yeah it's like 20% per stack or something
plush tendon
8%
warm plinth
At least it was in the past; it might've been reduced
plush tendon
goes to 40% extra damage
warm plinth
ah yeah
My BDK knowledge is mostly from Shadowlands and BFA
Still quite significant though for sure
plush tendon
it really hasnt changed much since then
minus SL season 3 and 4 when it was degenerate
toxic pewter
do you guys swap any talents for dungeons with sort of lower mob counts per pack (like VP perhaps)
or nelth lair
warm plinth
Nopers
opaque quest
Nop
cinder nova
Only talent I drop/take is Splock
And honestly, I just default it now
It's not really hampering my damage any and it's clutch af
warm plinth
Did you guys know that the pictures you see of the blobfish are an unhappy blobfish 😢
warm plinth
This is what they look like in their natural environment
The pictures you see are them out of the water and not under the normal pressure levels they live in
daring marlin
lusty tiger
analog lantern
holy shit...I had no idea that spellblock can be used to mitigate blazing slash from the wardens in Neltharus
What does it do exactly?
uneven mason
Reflect?
analog lantern
so it literally just complete negates all of the damage?
uneven mason
No I mean
toxic pewter
well yeah thats one of the main dungeons we use spell block in just for that
analog lantern
well yeah thats one of the main dungeons we use spell block in just for that
so does it completely prevent all the damage of the blazing slash?
warm plinth
It's not 30% less
It's the same amount you'd block a normal attack, which is closer to 50% (depending on shield ilevel). It can also crit block like normal blocks, and spell block is not held to the block reduction cap of 85%, so if you crit block, you could theoretically mitigate all of the damage.
opaque quest
Makes sense. Still 30% minimum
daring marlin
It's the same amount you'd block a normal attack, which is closer to 50% (depend...
Can confirm, have had it happen on Hyrja blast before.
urban portal
warm plinth
Yeah, it's literally based on your shield's block value
(which is modified by some talents as well)
analog lantern
OK...I figured spellblock worked like a 30s spell reflect which isn't consumed. For example in the first pull of Uldaman, there are a couple of casters there, I pop spellblock and don't get hit my any of their bolts...but is that just because I have spell block + shield block up? bit confused.
warm plinth
[How Block Works](#protection message) This might help
analog lantern
just what I needed! Thanks
warm plinth
Yeah, plus I'm fairly certain those mobs cast on random targets anyway, so only the initial ones are guaranteed to go on you (assuming you get into combat first)
opaque quest
There is always someone that interrupts the first shit when i charge in
warm plinth
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah, big sadge huh yogi
tranquil drift
Really not a fun week for prot warrioring
toxic pewter
wat u mean
warm plinth
It's great for prot warrioring
lusty grotto
yeah idk what you mean its push week
warm plinth
We just ignore the mechanics
tranquil drift
I mean if you want to get invited to groups :D
toxic pewter
yeah thats not because this week though
tranquil drift
I don't know, my acceptance rate seems at an all time low
tranquil drift
nah I mean because of afflicted
lusty grotto
nah
tranquil drift
I mean you can get a druid that can heal, is invulnerable, can handle the affix
daring marlin
yeah idk what you mean its push week
Always is 
tranquil drift
vs a prot warrior
lusty grotto
that doesnt change due to afflicted
tranquil drift
I guess we can stun good 
lusty grotto
uhhh what does stun have to do with afflicted?
tranquil drift
I mean in general about what warrior brings to the table :D
toxic pewter
I guess we can stun good <:sadge:820202363359854633>
a well timed stop can beat out their random after the wildfire overheal any day of the week
warm plinth
I mean
warm plinth
It's really obnoxious for guardian to try to take their dispel too
I don't take it on mine
You have to spend like 3 or 4 useless af points
to get it
daring marlin
healer/hybrid affix
tranquil drift
I'm still gearing up so I do 16-17 for crest, earlier I had a group where everyone could in theory handle the affix but me
and only a warlock handled it
daring marlin
If you have either that don't deal with it you're gonna have more glaring issues TBH
tranquil drift
there was a mistweaver healer, a priest, a warlock and an evoker
when there were 2 it automatically went through lol
toxic pewter
i had a healer earlier be like i am having issues with the affix and cant dispel... never seen a group disband so fast LOL
and the group had 2 warriors in it too LOL
tranquil drift
I mean for dps warrior it must be way worse I guess lol
All this makes me want to level up another healer
warm plinth
ffs
tranquil drift
on my shaman I get invited like that snap
warm plinth
3 specs that literally lose nothing to take their dispel
Shaman is the goat for afflicted. Poison cleansing totem is bis
warm plinth
plus curse dispel is basically useless this season so they have a free dispel that they don't have to worry about holding for something else
It does
Afflicted is on a 30 sec timer, incorp is on a 45 sec timer
I assume incorp is longer because a lot of CDs have a 30 sec cooldown
crude notch
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warm plinth
CCs*
tranquil drift
it's a bit obnoxious, incorp spawn rate feels right
warm plinth
3232qqq11qq1qqq11
Nailed that rotation
modern gazelle
i never thought id get rejected more in anything than on tinder
then i started signing up for keys as prot warrior
warm plinth
Idk but it looks flawless to me
crude notch
So this video is 1h10m long and I'm already at WoD 22m in. Goes to show how much they've done with the last few expansions.
warm plinth
sheesh
modern gazelle
So this video is 1h10m long and I'm already at WoD 22m in. Goes to show how much...
most people skipped that season
warm plinth
Wrathgate cinematic was pretty iconic though
modern gazelle
nothing important happened anyways
warm plinth
I don't think I've seen that one either. I skip a lot of cinematics even if I haven't seen them
lusty grotto
that one happened after you did the quests in draenor nagrand
i remember it
his body is still there
crude notch
yo is it?? I was like damn Thrall just left his ass there.
lusty grotto
yea
toxic pewter
@lusty tiger just ate a bunch of chinese food
effectively drunk/in a coma right now
crude notch
Legion had so many good cinematics.
warm plinth
I just had youtube randomly recommend me a cataract removal video and holy shit I never realized how thick those things can get
toxic pewter
sounds awful
crude notch
ok nvm this video sucks it skips all but two legion cinematics wtf
crude notch
Literally went from starting one to voljin dying then bfa
warm plinth
Booo
cerulean tusk
No better than Gul'Dan, it is known
crude notch
Thrall cheated, smh
not his fault that garrosh is just a 
thrall was enhance and then swapped mid-combat to ele, kekw
warm plinth
cerulean tusk
He was losing, so he decided to cheat. Draenor elementals got no honor and let it happen
warm plinth
And then was like fuck enh I'ma just say ele
crude notch
he realized something we all realize eventually, being melee sucks.
warm plinth
True
It's why dps war feels like ass compared to rogue or ret; that zero range extension is just big sadge 😢
warm plinth
Yeah that's probably true
brazen yarrow
I just had youtube randomly recommend me a cataract removal video and holy shit ...
thick cataracts seem like forgotten contact lenses
crude notch
lliterally only watched this to watch the WoD/Legion cinematics I missed and it doesn't have them -_-
It's half BfA/SL and half the rest of the game
warm plinth
thick cataracts seem like forgotten contact lenses
You ever hear those stories of people who think they left a contact lens in and can't get it out, and it turns out they were trying to remove their cornea?
brazen yarrow
you ever hear of those stories of people leaving in 40 50 60 contact lenses?
warm plinth
wait what
crude notch
omg i've seen a video on someone getting a bunch of them removed
warm plinth
How do you even manage that
warm plinth
I can't do contacts. I don't have a problem putting my finger in my eyes, but for some reason my finger never wants to let go of the lens
Last time I tried to do it, the doctor got impatient and just put them in for me 🙃
opaque quest
Why use contacts in the first place too. Glasses make me look smart
warm plinth
Can confirm, much smart very wow with glasses
opaque quest
dont care is my favorite explanation for this
crude notch
I'm now a holy priest main
who does a million damage with holy nova
get rekt nerds
brazen yarrow
i identify as a warrior who can cast holy nova to do 2 million damage
daring marlin
@crude notch Garrosh was done dirty
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AquadZb63c i identify as a tank
sick sentinel
the ratte was a total fiction blue prints only, but the mause was quite real
daring marlin
kept it simple
sick sentinel
2 were created
opaque quest
What level is the question?
crude notch
@south zealot 👀
lusty grotto
ah ha
jagged gust
Interesting palette of classes there
sick sentinel
i joined into the solo ret leader as a solo pug
and he chose to invite those people
lusty grotto
thats actually not a bad setup though
Naraxas dies faster with multiple warriors
since SR is a thing, and fury/arms can also use it during it
well SHOULD be using it, i should say
sick sentinel
only real negative is drums lust and stun dr
yeah, i just throw on defensive stance for entirety of the 3 pulls involving green rock men
im sure i could survive with battle, but im just not winning like that, end up dead,
s8nce they knoco back you have to go back in melee range and that may move him or turn him risking party gets hit
modern gazelle
You ever hear those stories of people who think they left a contact lens in and ...
ever see the video of someone who had 27 contact lenses in their eye cause they never took them out?
they thought they just disolved or some shit, left them in while sleeping and they would slide to the back of their eyes
warm plinth
Yeah someone mentioned that earlier. Grody
modern gazelle
lol just saw, tabbed back to this channel and it was on your message didnt read the chat
golden tartan
this shit even good?
what trinkets should i aim for as a prot
atleast from dungs
ionic fern
this shit even good?
Good compared to what? It's solid if you got nothing better.
Mark of Dargul - NL
Accelerating Sandglass - Dawn
for example.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
@warm plinth hellooo, how are you on this fine evening?
jagged pier
I'm doing well, almost my weekend and I have a date <a:LETSGOOO:7707415308057968...
😮
HUGE
crude notch
POG DATE
warm plinth
golden tartan
Good compared to what? It's solid if you got nothing better.
Mark of Dargul - NL...
i have 441oce and 441anvil
had beacon but sold it
jagged pier
then recover it
jagged pier
oh
crude notch
how much?
golden tartan
60k cuz i didnt care
warm plinth
oh dear
crude notch
oh my
jagged pier
fairs
crude notch
I've seen people pay way more for far less
crude notch
LMAO
golden tartan
anyways
crude notch
wtf
jagged pier
anyways
crude notch
Yo @blizzard check his dice
jagged pier
your trinkets are fine
better than heart
yes heart shows on the damage meter but u loose strength from other trinkets
golden tartan
idk i tanked heroic and my hp wasnt moving
+18s also hp doesnt move
i use fury gear
crude notch
:masterystackers:
jagged pier
no u dont need vers
warm plinth
Mine is 46% because fury YUGE CRIT BLOCK CHANCE
sandglass+anvil though, big trinkies
crude notch
every discord should have :masterystackers: don't at me
jagged pier
shield will be biggest single upgrade
vocal peak
So we don’t stack Vers anymore?
jagged pier
we never did
jagged pier
u can go vers if u want
but it doesnt make a difference
sceondary stats apart from haste
dont really change much at all
vocal peak
Might aswell use something else besides vers then , so I can play dps if needed
jagged pier
all in all they are around the same mastery slightly behind but not by much but your suvivability is like 99% your play
vers is fine its consistent damage reduction but it never really get strong
u need to be able to get a lot of ver for it to be good
like in bfa S4
like u need to get to that lvl of vers for it to be like u have to take it
jagged pier
if u look at crit right now it generally will actually do more damage reduction across a key
than vers
because parry
just stops melee damage completely
yes its rng a bit
but u take a lot of melees
and due to this
it means your ip will stop more damage from magic and bleeds what we actually struggle with
vocal peak
Makes a lot of sense then
jagged pier
u can also parry some boss mechanics (like searing blows in S1) etc
and yes vers does increase damage
but crit gives more damage in general than vers
also u need the most amount of vers to gain 1% compared to the rest
so u can get higher % of other stats easier
like mastery for instance we recommend getting around 23% because it increases your crit block chance by a fair margin for having like 2 low mastery pieces cause thats all u need to get there
vocal peak
My stats are all over the place as of now
Played prot in s1 and only the start of the s2 and then rerolled 😀
jagged pier
Well thats more min maxy stuff in general if your are wearing your highest ilvl strength pieces and have haste on rings and neck your doing perfectly fine
vocal peak
Idk why prot warriors are not played as much this season , but I hope that it will change in s3
jagged pier
Because if prot isnt seen to be the best its the worst
vocal peak
Kinda funny but true
timber terrace
Melees are off meta and no bres on tank sucks
jagged pier
If wasnt even best last season but ppl thought it was cause easy block time, then ppl started gearing paladin
Before the changes
Something me and nome were saying since week 1 paladin waz being slept on
timber terrace
Last season rogue and enhance were meta that made warrior more appealing
jagged pier
And in second week of raid well week 1 actually ppl realised bdk was far better in the raid
Because ams literally stopped all boss mechanics
vocal peak
Hard to compare m+ and raid tanking I think
jagged pier
Well the blanket statment was warrior was best for both
Which is why everyone was playing it
When in reality it was good just not the best
vocal peak
Yeah I can see that
timber terrace
well death advance cancelling most of the raid mechanics was a bit too strong,dk isn't shining too much in aberrus,it's ok but you can't do anything special
Just like spellward being op in this raid will influence people in saying prot pala is s tier next raid while it might not get any value on relevant bosses
vocal peak
Kinda enjoy the tank specs that use shields
Just trying to prep most of the tanks for next tier, but will most likely end up playing with Warrior, cuz it seems more fun
jagged pier
And thats how it should be play what u want
ionic fern
Idk why prot warriors are not played as much this season , but I hope that it wi...
Why do you want it to change?
Shouldn't affect you one bit if it's played by others or not.
crude notch
Because some people like to get invited to keys.
hardy snow
its easier to make good parses if there is no competition
timber terrace
My problem with shield tanks is you quickly hit a ceiling on what you can do defensively, basic mitigation and basic cds,can't really have fun ways to deal with things
jagged pier
What are the others doing thats more fun
jagged pier
They literally mitigate less and just heal the damage back
Or your druid and u stack IF up 7 times
crude notch
Eventually when you play all tanks enough they all just feel the same.
jagged pier
^
median tulip
Whereas if you play a healer then DK tanks are heart-attack inducing, especially when compared to Bear, Prot Warrior and PPal
jagged pier
Oh fuck tho its mokoo and if your not mokoo your wrong and last
ionic fern
PPal is also spiky af.
timber terrace
you can stand in stuff to have bigger death strikes and blood shield on a bdk,turn your back to force the next hit to be a dodge on brew, purposefully get low to get a 2 million healing regen on a guardian, it's giving more ways to deal with mechanics than pop a dr and heal
warm plinth
I feel pretty stable on ppal, at least as far as I've gone (+22)
ionic fern
Warrior is fun cause we got like 20 offensive CD's to press on fairly short CD's.
crude notch
When I play healer I just ignore BDK, if they die they die. I'll throw out a PS or Bark on pulls I know that are spooky at the start, but beyond that
ionic fern
So we can pretend to be DPS'ers.
crude notch
Just let them do their thing
ionic fern
warm plinth
When I play healer I just ignore BDK, if they die they die. I'll throw out a PS ...
This is exactly how I "heal" bdk as well
throw an external at the beginning of a nasty pull but other than that they're on their own
jagged pier
we dont stand in things because theres no use to
u shouldnt be standing in things as a tank
thats literally bad play
ionic fern
This is exactly how I "heal" bdk as well
If you healed me like that on my BDK
jagged pier
one reason why vengance wasnt the best thing
ionic fern
I would die in 3s.
warm plinth
median tulip
My fave to heal are actually bears. Mostly I just put Guardian Spirit (when on HPriest) or Blessing of Spring (when HPal) on them and then ignore them
crude notch
you can stand in stuff to have bigger death strikes and blood shield on a bdk,tu...
Force dodge really isn't a thing this expansion, there's nothing worth force dodging really.
timber terrace
On diurna on a dk it was the thing to do to get bigger blood shields and be safer
crude notch
lol
median tulip
But in general a healers job isn't to heal the tank; the tank should have enough self-sustain to not need the healer. The healers job is to save dumbass DPS from the consequences of their own stupidity
crude notch
Just get in high enough keys that as a healer you don't even have to worry about that because the dps get one shot. EZPZ
ionic fern
you can stand in stuff to have bigger death strikes and blood shield on a bdk,tu...
That has to be one of the dumbest things i've read in a while.
"I'll take damage on purpose so i can justify pressing a button that i would otherwise not press".
timber terrace
I'm just saying it's less mind numbing to have tanks that have options other than maintain mitigation press defensive
ionic fern
I'm just saying it's less mind numbing to have tanks that have options other tha...
I mean
crude notch
Your idea of fun is intentionally taking more damage?
brittle owl
Your idea of fun is intentionally taking more damage?
sometimes yeah
crude notch
Channel that beacon baby
brittle owl
channel dn
median tulip
If you are finding Prot Warrior tanking insufficiently stressful for you, then you aren't pulling big enough and/or doing high enough keys
brittle owl
you're welcome skyhold
timber terrace
Your idea of fun is intentionally taking more damage?
If I can take more magic damage I'll heal up to build more blood shield to be safer overall instead of avoiding the damage and being less safe it's good
warm plinth
dn has died everywhere but this channel
It still survives in MPF general chat as well
jagged pier
monka
median tulip
dn?
warm plinth
also we're giving away ukraine pet packs in MPF so go join giveaway
ionic fern
If I can take more magic damage I'll heal up to build more blood shield to be sa...
Okay, SO..
You can take less damage by not purposefully standing in crap and spam IP to build up more Ignore Pain to be safer overall.
Is
Is that it?
jagged pier
this is as dumb as mokoos take that ppl doing 25s are casual players
ionic fern
Did i do it right?
timber terrace
Taking more damage is irrelevant I'd you can heal it back yourself,which makes it more of a sandbox
jagged pier
Did i do it right?
yes
warm plinth
I have a good way to take damage as a prot warrior actually
crude notch
Unequip your shield?
crude notch
LMAO
Was that first part a charge?
I heard the noise.
Then you tried to back out of your oopsie and got yoinked, sadge
warm plinth
Yeah the first part was a charge
lavish sphinx
Any Prot Warrior YouTubers you’d recommend to improve around the +20 level?
jagged pier
snse
lime urchin
lavish sphinx
Thanks both
rough hazel
Man I wish people not playing top 5% would stop meta whoring 
ionic fern
"+15, Gdruid".
It's good that people put it like this tho. Then you know which groups to avoid. Chances are if you get invited to one such group, you'll out dps at least 2 of the DPS players.
cerulean tusk
I mean, why would you bring a comp that got less of a success chance in a PuG 
Combine that with warriors at that keylevel don't bring SW or inti, then things start to make sense
ionic fern
What is "that key level"?
No key level was mentioned.
Top 5% is probably around 20-22
ionic fern
Where you can just faceroll.
20-22 area is depleted by people thinking they are the best player in the world only to do sub-optimal DPS and die to avoidable damage.
cerulean tusk
I PuG and invited warriors, they usually just die and shitz I don't know how
Warr stonkz, but if that is what ppl see... I can't blame em
ionic fern
That's true about any tank.
🤔
If the player is bad..they die.
I've seen Gdruids fall over in a +16
Like it's nothing.
🤷
cerulean tusk
Not my xp, can only base it on what I see 
lavish sphinx
I healed a G Druid in a BH 18 the other day and he was super squishy. Bricked the key by butt pulling mobs and then asked what I thought about healing him cause he’s “super buff”
cerulean tusk
Anyhow, spread the word to make sure pugs bring AoE stops
ionic fern
I healed a G Druid in a BH 18 the other day and he was super squishy. Bricked th...
FOTM rerollers.
lavish sphinx
For real
cerulean tusk
Wonder if I rather have that druid, or a warr that don't bring SW 
Leaning towards the druid
ionic fern
You do you.
I lean away from FOTM classes.
Mostly because FOTM rerollers
People who don't play FOTM have a higher chance of actually being good at the class.
lavish sphinx
How does a warrior not bring Spell Warding?