Yeah, I agree w/ Harrow 100%. It's nothing until you go to CC something and you're like oh right, raging
#protection
warm plinth
mighty valley
i think it's most shocking for DKs who are used to being able to grip whatever they feel like
modern gazelle
dk grip is like my favorite ability man i wish we had something like that
make whirlwind an aoe suck in ability for prot when?
warm plinth
Didn't we have a Torghast power like that
stark gull
how the fuck do you survive piercing shards in a +23 fort
warm plinth
Rotate CDs and clench cheeks
Remember the DoT is the dangerous part, not the initial hit
warm plinth
yeah, just saying don't pre-empt your CD too much
But it's really just the healer needing to heal you
stark gull
do othger people struggle with that? I was basicall ynot taking damage the whole dungeon then just getting WAPPED by those guys
warm plinth
Don't forget about impending victory. It's really nice for stabilizing after the first hit
stark gull
well i guess its nice to know other people also get hammered by that
warm plinth
It should be the only real damage the group is taking so like...they should heal you XD
The only other damage you have during those pulls is the shaper bolts
since you should definitely be avoiding avalanche on a 23
stark gull
yeah just bolts...and not even that really since they are all getting kicked
warm plinth
exactly
So just tell your healer to wake up and actually press a button on you for once
toxic pewter
Didn't we have a Torghast power like that
Yeah thunderclap pulled in mobs
At least for prot
warm plinth
Yeah I think it was whirlwind for fury maybe?
warm plinth
Oh yeah
warm plinth
Which i think is a talent now, except it's slam instead of shield slam
For fury anyway
toxic pewter
I’d be down for that ability
warm plinth
I never cared for that power much though tbh. It was pretty inconsistent
modern gazelle
speaking of avalanche
i had someone try to tell me that if no one is in front of the avalanche/frontal that it just targets a random person...
when i said you can side step it to avoid damage they said no, it will kill someone -_-
warm plinth
lul
toxic pewter
Pretty sure it’s a frontal and then some circles fall from ceiling
modern gazelle
what really happened is some dps walked in front of it and took the frontal
warm plinth
Honestly I don't know why anyone even moves out of it. I've never taken noticeable damage from it (the frontal, not the circle)
modern gazelle
yes, you can side step the frontal of avalanche
modern gazelle
Honestly I don't know why anyone even moves out of it. I've never taken noticea...
i do it just out of habit, it doesnt hurt bad though really but might as well its very easy to dodge
warm plinth
But I'm lazy
modern gazelle
the one that helped me was learning to dodge 1st boss shards, i was face tanking those for a long time
warm plinth
Not as lazy as the keybind guy
But pretty lazy
Oh yeah, razor shards slaps on higher tyr keys
modern gazelle
cause of the visual glitch i thought the razor shards tracked
so i alwasy face tanked them
warm plinth
Yeah, a lot of people still think that, it's understandable
modern gazelle
they gotta fix that lol
modern gazelle
HOI is another one with dragons, once you learn to just walk backwards away from them the packs get so much easier
warm plinth
Yeah, icecallers still slap though
lusty grotto
crawg too
warm plinth
Yeah, Cragmaw is another one I don't really bother with though; it's literally the only damage you take on the fight since Tantrum is physical
lusty grotto
i do it
warm plinth
It used to be spicy in BFA but it's kind of a joke now
modern gazelle
i just eat the cragmaw
modern gazelle
i didnt know you could dodge that though tbh
lusty grotto
so i just do it anyway
modern gazelle
its never done more than like 10% of my health
warm plinth
You don't have to leap at all to dodge it 🤷 You can but you don't have to
modern gazelle
thats...a lot of work
lusty grotto
shrug i do it but i did it in BFA so
warm plinth
You just start strafing away when he's about .5 sec from casting it and keep moving until it goes off
He roots himself around that time to prep for casting it.
Leap does make it a bit less brain power though, and why not since you have it
cinder storm
is yogi 2.5k?
lusty grotto
yogi is gaming
cinder storm
ok i sleep more then
toxic pewter
Yogi +2ing 18s and crap
He literally dungeon damage parses in the 90s for key level sometimes too
He owns hard
south zealot
how the fuck do you survive piercing shards in a +23 fort
shield wall
stark gull
shield wall
you think DPS can kill tha big bitch in 2 shield wall CDs? on 23 fort
not even close usually
strong forum
warm plinth
Why's that?
sullen valve
I don't hate myself
south zealot
do beast mastery
warm plinth
But you love me right? 
sullen valve
I love prot warrior
warm plinth
It's a good spec to love
modern gazelle
how many stacks did you guys take before taunt swapping on mythic zskarn?
ripe seal
how many stacks did you guys take before taunt swapping on mythic zskarn?
Taunt asap when your co-tanks stacks are off =)
But usually around 9-12
sand hound
which trinkets should i go with for m+ ?
warm plinth
The currently equipped ones if you want the lazy route. Dargrul+Anvil if you don't mind managing anvil
sand hound
tyty
modern gazelle
But usually around 9-12
any changes worth making for build?
warm plinth
You should release your spirit
modern gazelle
You should release your spirit
oh, should haha, no, never release!
ripe seal
Nah looks alright, i run double wall though cause i didn’t care about logs, just as long as i survived.
Kill > logs
modern gazelle
did you swap d stance ever?
or not need it much
i used it a lot on rashok still early on pulls for this so testing limits still
ripe seal
Yeah i swapped, no need to sit in Dstance 24/7, you can play in battle stance when you’re not tanking and when your stacks are ramping up, then just swap back to Datance when dots start to hurt =)
modern gazelle
👍
ripe seal
You always wanna actively swap between battle and defensive stance
modern gazelle
yeah i have been on other fights just not familiar enough on this for when its worth
i have a WA that yells at me ever 3s im in d stance to remind me to swap back lol
sick sentinel
did the talents change
ripe seal
Well, you sit in battle stance 99% of the time
sick sentinel
we don't take shockwave? or this is for raid
modern gazelle
raid
sick sentinel
k
ripe seal
And if you know you’re gonna take a lot of dmg then you swap to Dstance
modern gazelle
Well, you sit in battle stance 99% of the time
yeah it yells at me every 3s if im in d stance to go back to b stance
ripe seal
Ye sounds good
broken kite
do uh, the pins need updating
broken kite
broken kite
surely a 447 would be ahead with the nerf?
mighty valley
diurna's is still wildly good
crude notch
Diurna still slaps
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
yeah I still use my eranog ring
lusty grotto
sim
because eranog isnt good for keys
hasnt been since season started
for ST, sim
for keys, no
uneven mason
Eggnog ring
warm plinth
🤔 really
toxic pewter
unless I am doing it wrong.. set it to like patchwerk 5 targets
lusty grotto
i find that hard to believe
broken kite
idk seems like extra secondary stats would be a bit better but i guess it's ahead
lusty grotto
it s houldnt be
toxic pewter
yah nvm then its breakeven in m+
lusty grotto
no apb
toxic pewter
i misread the results
lusty grotto
it shouldnt be break even
toxic pewter
hmm
lusty grotto
check patchwerk numbers again cause that doesnt sound right at all
toxic pewter
how long i did 3 min or does it matter
lusty grotto
1.5
broken kite
5 usually?
mighty valley
1.5 no bloodlust is the go to
toxic pewter
ok
lusty grotto
1 min or 1.5 mins no BL yea for AOE/keys (5 patchwerks)
mighty valley
bear in mind that if it's only a tiny bit ahead, the defensive benefit of actual stats does matter
lusty grotto
3 mins, 5 mins and BL for ST/raids (1 patchwerk)
toxic pewter
im redoing it
broken kite
bear in mind that if it's only a tiny bit ahead, the defensive benefit of actual...
yeah even in ST where it's 0.3% ahead for me i'd prefer the def value of stats
toxic pewter
still sort of breaks even damage wise with 2 447 rings and sockets
but yeah im gonna stop using it in m+ thats for sure
mighty valley
apb doxxed
broken kite
change timing to 5m for ST
lusty grotto
thats not ST
thats aoe
2k dps less with it
are you simming with full buffs ?????
toxic pewter
i think so
lusty grotto
208k dps?????
toxic pewter
do i get rid of those
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter if you dont have OCE equipped
toxic pewter
oh ok
mighty valley
don't think windfury is default, mystic touch is the only other one that matters, so be honest about how often you see monks
lusty grotto
im not in game so re-using older sims
☝️
lusty grotto
i was about to ask, isnt forgestorm better than 447 basic wep?
not for AOE
mighty valley
i was about to ask, isnt forgestorm better than 447 basic wep?
forgestorm varies wildly, generally better st, ehhhh in aoe
broken kite
ah ye just simming now
mighty valley
at least last I saw
toxic pewter
can you look at this one
mighty valley
it's a very mild diff
toxic pewter
yeah its 5 targets
toxic pewter
yah but we talking about in m+
broken kite
use dungeon slice right
mighty valley
no
broken kite
no?
mighty valley
dungeon slice hasn't been optimized for prot afaik
toxic pewter
actually says if i unequip my eranog i lose dps in 5 targets..
i must be missing something
urban portal
dungeon slice is probably ok
toxic pewter
i wouldnt trust his sim
why not
toxic pewter
ok i dunno i dont remember changing it
lusty grotto
though i dont think it'll matter too much
toxic pewter
didnt change
pretty sure nome also uses it in m+ too I even asked him about it one time
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine
toxic pewter
nah i have two 447 rings with sockets
broken kite
in the sim
lusty grotto
my sim will be lower cause i still havent gotten 2x 447 pieces of tier
seems accurate
the sim is good on apb's part
lusty grotto
and also i use some versa now
the 200k + one was the one that threw me off
but this one looks good
either way i wouldnt use eranog for HIGH keys, nor sark cloak
or mythic prog for that matter
broken kite
neither
wonder if it's beacon making crit super valued thats indicating it's still better for aoe
undone verge
crit has been valued over verse for like 2 expacs now
broken kite
i meant for his sim
undone verge
are we talking about forgestorm?
warm plinth
no, he's talking about eranog ring
broken kite
sorry, confusing line of messages lol
lusty grotto
apb at that point i wouldn't use eranog, thats within margin of error
rather have the stam
if you need any extra points
toxic pewter
why tho
warm plinth
I'm just glad I'm not the only one that did this
broken kite
lmao
warm plinth
Yeah
toxic pewter
yeah i was in an awkward stage where i didnt have 1
and I missed it lol
so i put it on my neck as i used forgestorm
warm plinth
Yeah I have it on cloak and ring for my paladin. Not for any reason though; I'm just dumb
toxic pewter
we just really like pockets.. of flavor...
undone verge
doing 90k without a monk buff on mag this insane
lusty grotto
😎
toxic pewter
wat the deal with mages that mage portals and then leave group immediately lol
uncut thunder
sick sentinel
always has been mage portals leaves group
xhould be, mage portals and leaves group the portal stays open 2 mpre minutes still usable then it closes
sick sentinel
i suppose a mage wanting to brick a key could drop a portal to stonard near small use door and leave group
what about vote to surrender key after 15 minutes or toxic, thats from league, (up to) 40 minute games: key and match
hazy sinew
can i use this trinket on myself? or is it just for party/raid member?
toxic pewter
can use on self for sure
hazy sinew
ty. the on use description is confusing/misleading.
toxic pewter
ya
lusty grotto
yeah you can use it on yourself or others
if youre targetting mobs it'll go on yourself
self cast etc
if youre targetting group members then it'll go on them
hazy sinew
got it. thanks.
median tulip
FUCK YEAH
lost nymph
Damn Dawn you're geared to the teeth Jesus
modern gazelle
Damn Dawn you're geared to the teeth Jesus
need sockets and ill be complete outside of myth trink
brazen yarrow
legalize nuclear bombs
lusty grotto
velvet stirrup
I have four trinkets that I am not sure which to use - Treemouth Fest Splinter (447), Zaqali Grpanel (441), Iredius Fragment (441) and Enduring Dreadplate (441) - any advice?
lusty grotto
sim
iriduous is bad for us since the str buff goes away fast
since different ability use
enduring is good for only aoe situations
treemouth is a defensive trinket so shrug
velvet stirrup
I only really run M+
lusty grotto
what key level
velvet stirrup
18 minimum but more 20-22+
lusty grotto
so the lower the key, the less enduring will be valuable
if you can consistently break it, then its ok
velvet stirrup
So Grapnel and Splinter ?
lusty grotto
if you want pure dmg its dreadplates and grapnel
treemouth offers nothing offensivewise
modern gazelle
I have four trinkets that I am not sure which to use - Treemouth Fest Splinter (...
if you mainly run m+ just farm a dargrul+grapnel for now, though youll want a beacon/anvil. You can also do megadungeon and get the hourglass, it is decent
median tulip
I run Anvil/OCE, for the most part
modern gazelle
I run Anvil/OCE, for the most part
oce is good if group is using it but i tend to swap it out for M+
median tulip
Most of my guild have OCE now; we've been quite lucky on that.
modern gazelle
i run OCE for raid but not for m+ most of the time
median tulip
I only really do M+ with guild
modern gazelle
better that way, unfotunately i have to pug most of the time
median tulip
I had to pug to fill the last M+ slot in the vault this week and oh boy and there some real special people put there.
Last week, rather
modern gazelle
yeah...its a roller coaster
median tulip
The shit players are always the ones with the worst attitude.
Like... Dude, you can't moan about other people's play when you parsed sub-tank DPS and died to avoidable damage 8 times.
ionic fern
Ofc they can.
modern gazelle
i wish i could help all these people from being brain washed into thinking you cant do a 22 without god comp
if i wasnt feeling lazy i would just form my own group and run my own key but im too lazy right now lol
restive scroll
Someone that didn't seem to know much about war tank told me that Sporecloack could be good (in a 25)
Thinking about it, since we drop very little, I thought it could make sense.
Any thoughts on that ?
Running 23-25 atm
modern gazelle
gotta page the 🤓 for that, im zug zug and just listen to their wisdom
restive scroll
if i wasnt feeling lazy i would just form my own group and run my own key but im...
Tell me about it, takes me an hour to find a group :p
median tulip
I have a flavour pocket on my cloak TBH
modern gazelle
i legit dont even know where the cooking things are or when they spawn so i have yet to get a flavor pocket
median tulip
I have 8 level 70 characters and 6 of them exist purely for doing the soup every week
modern gazelle
lol, how many pockets you get?
median tulip
Average of one a week, at a guess
modern gazelle
dang thats good, 80k per week
median tulip
If you have all the characters logged off in Iskara you can do 5 or 6 of the quests in a single soup event
The timer is on the front page of wowhead
warm plinth
I can do 7-9 per feast with all the improvements they've made to it
Also you only have to be level 60 to do the feast, so any last expansion alts you have laying around can be useful too
median tulip
Huh. That is useful. I have a lot of level 60 Alts
warm plinth
Me too
south zealot
what is one for every spec
opaque quest
So i just checked the sticky. Is crit really ahead of vers? Im only playing 23s and some 24s for 3k IO
Most Warrs on IO run vers on every crafted piece
south zealot
crit is more damage
opaque quest
No chance you guys know how much deff ill lose right
Got 7 crafted items on all got haste vers rn
I'd switch all to haste crit so i can offspecc arms
opaque quest
Aye true
toxic pewter
lol
proper roost
3 out of our 6 healer roster was MIA today so i had to fill on m echo prog on my hpal @south zealot 💀
literally raid healed like, once ever on my hpal
south zealot
shits free
proper roost
we still got p3 prog somehow though
south zealot
i almost wiped the raid on sark
proper roost
well
its really lucky that hpal just counts as melee on echo
cuz i definitely was not gonna do well if i had to learn how to count
modern gazelle
i need to start logging my m+
me and this rogue just carried a 22 nelth lair, people did not know how to dodge avalanche, and healer kept dying to random stuff then releasing when we had an evoker to rez
like 18 deaths and still timed it by 40s luckily
warm plinth
No chance you guys know how much deff ill lose right
Vers as a defensive stat is overrated. All of our stats provide survival to some extent, and the vast majority of the damage you take in keys is blockable (with melees being the biggest contributor). And since melees are parryable, crit is extra valuable in M+.
Meanwhile vers requires more rating per % even for damage, and twice that for DR
warm plinth
All this being said, vers isn't bad either. It's just a very common misconception that you need to stack it at the expense of all else
opaque quest
Aight good to know. Think ill roll some pieces to crit haste for arms offspecc. Thanks ❤️
modern gazelle
crit haste for EVERYTHING
modern gazelle
i legit spent hours doing diff gearset sims and the difference is negligable you can legit do crist haste on everything and basically be max dps
remote venture
All this being said, vers isn't bad either. It's just a very common misconcepti...
Is this from the time for Wrath? I remeber you had to got some def stast so you were able to raid
modern gazelle
i did do one of my rings as vers/mast cause it was like a .7% increase, otherwise just be lazy and go crit haste for all gear
opaque quest
Eh i dont need max dps for 23 and 24s. Sure dps quality is still shit in those "low" keys but wether i do 100k or 110k overall is wayne
modern gazelle
crit is giving you defense too
median tulip
I run my OCE as Vers because a) it Sims higher damage and b) in my regular guild M+ group that gives us all 5 colours
modern gazelle
i do verse for my guild as well, no one uses oce as verse usually and it sims the same damage basically as all the others
warm plinth
Is this from the time for Wrath? I remeber you had to got some def stast so you ...
Nah vers didn't even exist in Wrath. You're thinking of defense rating
warm plinth
I mean think about this. It takes you 5400 crit rating to get 30% crit. It takes you 6150 vers rating to get 30% vers (which is then reduced to 15% DR)
remote venture
Nah vers didn't even exist in Wrath. You're thinking of defense rating
Ah, yes. Does people thing that vers is the new defense rating? I just want to understand what this mindset comes from
opaque quest
How much more parry is 5300 CHC
warm plinth
Put simply, high key players do it and they obviously are right
opaque quest
5400*
All the high key players i locked at in the EU run full vers
And some crit vers
looked*
warm plinth
All the high key players were also running ItF last season and we had to fight against it for most of the season until Andy started playing Heavy Repercussions and then they all followed suit, even though it was the right choice all along.
median tulip
For the vast majority of people stats make essentially no difference. Correct play matters 100 times more than stats.
timber terrace
Vers isn't just dr it's a very good damage stat and it buffs your healing, overall stacking Crit of vers will just provide you less value than splitting because their benefits multiply
median tulip
Almost everybody should quit overthinking things, slap on the highest ilvl they can, and focus on learning the class, spec and dungeons
jagged pier
^
opaque quest
100% right. Optimizing is still fun
If i wasnt thinking about playing some dps as offspecc i wouldnt touch my stuff
median tulip
I'm willing to bet I could time 20s with a full Vers/Mastery set on
jagged pier
of course u can
restive scroll
Someone that didn't seem to know much about war tank told me that Sporecloack co...
Any thoughts on that ?
=]
median tulip
Might try it just for giggles
jagged pier
its garbage
timber terrace
well you could time 20s with a 420 ilvl team in the first week so doing it with suboptimal stats and 25 more ilvl isn't really a challenge
median tulip
Any thoughts on that ?
=]
At any point where the healing might be desirable, you're probably taking too much constant damage to be recieving it reliably. And the absorb shield is a substitute for a cheat death, and I generally prefer to avoid dying by murdering my enemies and being too angry to die.
opaque quest
Also stone scale exists
If you feel like you need heal
Just run that
- i dont even need ignore pain all the time. I just spam revenge with thunder clap lmao
warm plinth
Almost everybody should quit overthinking things, slap on the highest ilvl they ...
The Church of Zetakya
median tulip
You don't use Ignore Pain because you need Ignore Pain. You use Ignore Pain in order to avoid capping on Rage.
restive scroll
At any point where the healing might be desirable, you're probably taking too mu...
Well that's rhe thing, aside from very few drops, my health doesn't move much.
So i though i could compensate for that little bit.
I've been running sark cloack for ilvl so far, only got 441 backup with good stats
restive scroll
And in 25 i took a random OS from landslide that i wouldn't have taken with another cloack
warm plinth
restive scroll
Well, random buffs are still interesting, when you don't need the stam
warm plinth
Where was your defensive sir smh
restive scroll
Although the prox rate is garbage
median tulip
Ignore Pain as a button is a means of proccing Anger Management and Indomitable; the actual Ignore Pain absorb shield is merely a pleasant side effect.
restive scroll
Where was your defensive sir smh
On cd :D
warm plinth
So I'm assuming Landslide actually hurts war?
jagged pier
well yer doesnt mean its not 'wrong'
warm plinth
I've only tanked NL with bear and ppal and both of them don't really give a fuck about Landslide
restive scroll
Well on average it was 600 or something, so i could mitigate that easily
That 840 came out of nowhere
Probably didn't have Ignore pain anymore, randomly
warm plinth
LANDSLIDE does that much damage?
jagged pier
ppl say IP is a throw away thing its not throw away its just we have enough rage to have it up alot u dont need to think about it that much, its actually fair strong just not legion levels of 90% strong
restive scroll
ppl say IP is a throw away thing its not throw away its just we have enough rage...
^
opaque quest
God i want legion IP back
warm plinth
Oh, I guess it does hit kinda strong; idk why I never feel like landslide does anything haha
opaque quest
Why must you hurt me in this way
restive scroll
Oh, I guess it does hit kinda strong; idk why I never feel like landslide does a...
Same, until yesterday:D
modern gazelle
Landslide? Is that supposed to hurt?
restive scroll
Especially because it was like the 5th one or something, i wasn't prepared
warm plinth
I am looking at a 20 I did on my druid the other day and it was hitting for 391k on average
modern gazelle
All I know is landslide > charge > keep killing
warm plinth
w/ crash hitting for 466k
opaque quest
All I know is landslide > charge > keep killing
Landslide > charge > victory rush > keep killing
warm plinth
But I guess when you have a mil HP, it doesn't really feel that bad to take a 391k hit
restive scroll
Not blocakable, afaik, so druid is better to mitigate it, righr?
modern gazelle
w/ crash hitting for 466k
Hits boss for466k when I reflect it lmao
warm plinth
Landslide is nature damage
restive scroll
Landslide > charge > victory rush > keep killing
Talking about oneshots thzre
median tulip
So I'm assuming Landslide actually hurts war?
Is that the thing that the second boss does that can be spell reflected?
restive scroll
Landslide is nature damage
Oh always took it for physical.
Good to know ;)
warm plinth
No, it's the thing that knocks you back on the last boss
modern gazelle
Is that the thing that the second boss does that can be spell reflected?
It’s the knock back
warm plinth
Happens before molten crash (most of the time)
median tulip
Oh that
modern gazelle
Crash and sunder causing reflect to do like 7% of my overall damage during NL haha
restive scroll
Anyway, thanks for the feedback
warm plinth
median tulip
Stings a bit. That boss is one of the few I use DStance for on Tyr weeks
opaque quest
Crash and sunder causing reflect to do like 7% of my overall damage during NL ha...
If we talk spell reflect we need to talk about last boss in HoI
restive scroll
Crash and sunder causing reflect to do like 7% of my overall damage during NL ha...
And the higher the key, the more damage !
warm plinth
I just wish it was easier to do the reflect on the last boss of HoI as a fury war lol
modern gazelle
If we talk spell reflect we need to talk about last boss in HoI
First boss on VP and UR
warm plinth
You have to take the squall buffet hit now in order to be able to reflect the deluge
modern gazelle
Also I need a way to disable all other players interrupts when I’m reflecting
opaque quest
First boss on VP and UR
Still good but last boss in HoI is on average 6 mil reflected over the whole fight
modern gazelle
so is first on UR
median tulip
I did a 3 Warrior run into Vortex Pinnacle yesterday. Do much spell reflect damage on the first boss
opaque quest
Everytime i SR in vortex ppl just interrupt
restive scroll
so is first on UR
Harder in pu, but true
opaque quest
Cause F me
warm plinth
Also I need a way to disable all other players interrupts when I’m reflecting
My entire group ran a WA that put a massive red text on their screen when I had reflect up back in SL
They'd still kick
modern gazelle
Lmao
opaque quest
They'd still kick
Based
modern gazelle
I’m considering macroing /say reflecting to my reflect
ionic fern
No one will notice it.
modern gazelle
So that people at least see it
opaque quest
Theres a WA for that
warm plinth
Imagine reading chat in keys
ionic fern
^
modern gazelle
It pops up over head when it’s /say
ionic fern
Yes, no one will notice it
warm plinth
Pfft, who uses chat bubbles
ionic fern
80% of people are looking at their action bars.
warm plinth
They get in the way
ionic fern
20% of people are looking at things to avoid.
modern gazelle
Looking at action bars lmao
ionic fern
Jeah, you laugh.
opaque quest
Imagine having action bars active
ionic fern
But it is what it is.
modern gazelle
If you are doing 20+ and staring at bars you got problems
warm plinth
I have a WA that says LUST NOW on my screen (on lust toons) whenever someone says lust in chat; that's how much I don't look at chat
median tulip
Make your action bars invisible in combat. It is the way.
modern gazelle
I just don’t use WA and instead put my action bars there to see cds
warm plinth
I know all of my keybinds intimately but take away my action bars and I'm a blubbering idiot
modern gazelle
WA for abilities bug me cause you can’t have keybind shown and I just like having the keybind shown
warm plinth
well, you CAN have it shown
warm plinth
But yeah I'm actually currently just swapping over to mostly action bars with a few choice WAs for each toon
Instead of having the WA suites that I don't look at 90% of
modern gazelle
i try to limilt WA cause they are the biggest pain to update out of everything
less is better
median tulip
I don't even look at my weakauras; I have them play a sound when something comes off cooldown. I have a reaction like Pavlov's Dog to the "Avatar is off Cooldown" noise
warm plinth
opaque quest
I had to force myself to use WAs instead of bars
warm plinth
I have a WA on my rogue that calls me an idiot when my blade flurry is about to drop
opaque quest
I turned the bars off and struggled a week
median tulip
I have a WA on my rogue that calls me an idiot when my blade flurry is about to ...
My Rage bar calls me an idiot if I accidentally cap Rage
warm plinth
As it should
median tulip
Indeed so
warm plinth
I have the same thing when I am about to cap on Judgment charges on pally
It says stop capping judgment charges asshole
modern gazelle
i have a WA that yells at me if i sit in def stance
warm plinth
What have we learned here
modern gazelle
every 3s it goes "protected" really fucking loud
warm plinth
That we all like being yelled at
warm plinth
I have an urge to share my party buffs WA to every single fucking person who has one
Because I swear to god pugs will not use that shit unless you ask them 5 times
median tulip
I also have one that turns the screen into an enormous battle shout symbol if I'm dismounted and don't have battle shout up
modern gazelle
i wanta to force everyone to use quazii plater profile
so people know what and when to kick
instead of kicking the stupidest shit and then not having it for important abilities
opaque quest
I also have one that turns the screen into an enormous battle shout symbol if I'...
I have that for boomkin form
jagged pier
u dont need an addon for that
sick sentinel
I agree warriors are idiots with anger issues
jagged pier
u just need a 🧠
opaque quest
modern gazelle
u just need a 🧠
are you expecting pugs to have this?
jagged pier
no which is why i save all my stops for the big stuff
sick sentinel
Don't inv casuals simple, stop blaming pugs ect
median tulip
u just need a 🧠
My brain told me to make a weakaura for it. Checkmate.
modern gazelle
no which is why i save all my stops for the big stuff
i do as well but sometimes there is multiple and they cant be ccd
sick sentinel
Tank mentality "this group of players suck"
modern gazelle
Don't inv casuals simple, stop blaming pugs ect
not everyone can have a consistent group my guy
opaque quest
This
sick sentinel
I think I do know
ionic fern
It's human mentality.
Even the crap DPS in your group is thinking "This group of players sucks".
opaque quest
Its always the others
modern gazelle
It's human mentality.
Even the crap DPS in your group is thinking "This group of...
hahahahahahahahahaha thats funny
opaque quest
Tho when you have 3ppl insta clear chains on 2nd boss in nelth, then yes, its the others xd
median tulip
In my experience, the worse the DPS the more likely someone is to blame everyone else
sick sentinel
Tanking is easiest job
opaque quest
the problem with dps is that they think: its a tank/healer affix
median tulip
Tanking is easiest job
Shush, don't let people know that!
ionic fern
Tanking is easy indeed.
Tanking well is not that easy.
modern gazelle
the problem with dps is that they think: its a tank/healer affix
not prot warriors saying that to half the affixes cause we cant do shit about them
sick sentinel
Bad tank leads to bad group so reflect
modern gazelle
cough cough afflicted cough cough
sick sentinel
opaque quest
not prot warriors saying that to half the affixes cause we cant do shit about th...
Last week i played like 8 keys cause i wasnt invited into 22s with 2.90k
Cause F us and incorp
Now its aff
warm plinth
Everyone out here complaining about not being able to do incorp or afflicted on war and I'm just over here chilling because it's someone else's problem
opaque quest
And it will be the same 😄
jagged pier
Everyone out here complaining about not being able to do incorp or afflicted on ...
THIS
opaque quest
Everyone out here complaining about not being able to do incorp or afflicted on ...
Thats great with a static group but pugs just dont take us warriors
ionic fern
Everyone out here complaining about not being able to do incorp or afflicted on ...
I'm hexing one of the Incorp dudes. And the rest of the group targets the same mob.
median tulip
90% of the actual skill of tanking isn't anything to do with buttons; it's everything to do with how you compensate for the rest of the party
warm plinth
Yeah that can be a bit awkward
opaque quest
90% of the actual skill of tanking isn't anything to do with buttons; it's every...
Pulling 14 packs so you can barely make it
median tulip
Everyone out here complaining about not being able to do incorp or afflicted on ...
You can stun and fear afflicted
warm plinth
I know
sick sentinel
Pugs aren't in comms and nobody checks who is targeting what no one, so just don't expect it, simples
warm plinth
Incorp you mean
warm plinth
Afflicted are the dispel bois
median tulip
Incorp yeah. The one from last week
warm plinth
Technically you can fear one enough that it's taken care of, if you run the talent
opaque quest
Or we just shatter it. EVERY THREE MINUTES
sick sentinel
Incorp just interrupt and stormbolt it if no one ccs it then the packs normally dead at that point if it casts when packs dead who cares
warm plinth
How you gonna give priest a SECOND way to CC them, and give DK a great way to CC them, and then give us...that
opaque quest
Because blizz devs play warlock
warm plinth
They should 100% have put that on wrecking throw
modern brook
Let other classes Simp mechanics
warm plinth
Because then we can do 1 per wave
sick sentinel
Bdk no cc incorp wasteful completely wasteful
median tulip
Warlock has FOUR applicable CCs for Incorp
sick sentinel
No
opaque quest
Dude its 2 adds
sick sentinel
I play bdk
opaque quest
You can MC both you know
median tulip
Best is Priest Mind Control
sick sentinel
It doesn't stack YOU KNOW
opaque quest
Dude you dont have a priest every run
warm plinth
How does warlock have 4? Generally the only CCs anyone cares about are the ones that shut them down the entire duration.
modern brook
Lmao chill
sick sentinel
CU only usable on boss
modern brook
It's not even a real affix
warm plinth
Which is just fear and banish
median tulip
How does warlock have 4? Generally the only CCs anyone cares about are the ones...
Fear, Banish, Enslave and the one I forget the name of that horrifies and heals the lock
warm plinth
Oh, enslave, can you even take that realistically
modern brook
Mortal coil
warm plinth
And mortal coil is only like 2 or 3 seconds
modern brook
Not that I play lock
opaque quest
Isnt mortal coil only like 3 seconds?
sick sentinel
Because I get called out on what I play
modern brook
Literally no one's talking to you
warm plinth
Who called you out on what you play
sick sentinel
Read up
opaque quest
Told him control undead is bis if you dont have a priest
But since belte thinks every player has a static with a priest he thinks CU is bad
warm plinth
Literally no one said shit about what spec you play
sick sentinel
It is cause it doesn't stack "stupid"
opaque quest
He still doesnt understand that not every grp has a priest
modern brook
warm plinth
Idk he's just being rude for no reason, I don't get it
sick sentinel
Oh what's meta?
modern brook
I'm glad eu skyhold is basically the same thing as na skyhold
sick sentinel
Idk he's just being rude for no reason, I don't get it
When I get called trolling and stupid first?
Ok
Resd
opaque quest
Are there 2 skyholds?^^
warm plinth
I think he just means these hours
modern brook
Just by the clock
opaque quest
Makes sense
modern brook
I had to peepee real bad and now I cant sleep so here I am
Setting myself up for a shitty wednesday
median tulip
I'm always amazed by how DPS players don't fucking know what their spells do. Like Warlocks not knowing that they can banish Aberrations
opaque quest
Im a baker. Im always awake at 4 am wether i work or not
opaque quest
Its a zerg unit
modern brook
What's an aberration
Me, Physically
opaque quest
That spawns 2 banelings when it dies
modern brook
Zagara user alert
ionic fern
I picked up hots again.
modern brook
Abathur zone only
ionic fern
Freaking amazing.
ionic fern
Idk.
modern brook
Hots 2.0 was dope
opaque quest
I was rank 1 for months then Hots 2.0 placed me in bronze
That hurt
I mean dead compared to lol. When i queue in low masters high dia i wait 30 minutes
modern brook
Just pick butcher and random q
opaque quest
Oh yeah quick play queues are instant
modern brook
Its basically the same thing as betting on black every spin
opaque quest
Problem is im a healer main and quick play as heal is pure pain
ionic fern
Problem is im a healer main and quick play as heal is pure pain
Wdym.
Just play LiLi and /brain afk.
opaque quest
I can feel my braincells dying just by reading the name
modern brook
Bro that's not fair
modern brook
All the healers in hots are braindead except whitemane
opaque quest
I was a WM main until they reworked her
ionic fern
As well.
modern brook
Lucio u legit just walk in a circle
ionic fern
I don't heal tho.
opaque quest
Haha
ionic fern
I run around in wolf and bite people.
ionic fern
Or just play Tyrael and charge the back line healer cause it's QM and no one is peeling for them.
opaque quest
modern brook
I run around in wolf and bite people.
Mwahi when his team is mad they're not getting chain healed
ionic fern
Agreed.
ionic fern
"Ah, sorry, i forgot i'm playing Reghar..i thought i'm doing the Graymanes wolf build".
ionic fern
Who'se WM?
modern brook
Whitemane
opaque quest
Whitemane
ionic fern
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
opaque quest
With rainbow skin and rainbow unicorn 😄
modern brook
ionic fern
The ninja monk dude healer is chill.
modern brook
Whuh
ionic fern
I like healers who are not healers but DPS'ers.
opaque quest
Man those hips dont lie
modern brook
The monk from d3?
ionic fern
Yes.
opaque quest
Kharazim
ionic fern
Maybe, i can't remember the name.
ionic fern
I honestly don't know what his other ult is.
Or whatit does.
I always go for the damage one.
opaque quest
SSS
ionic fern
😂
modern brook
Cheat dn
opaque quest
Put it on someone, if they die with buff up they get back to 50%
All the metas play 2 tank or tank bruiser so SSS is the meta anyways
ionic fern
Went HoJ build on Uther yesterday. Did almost no healing, the team lost..but i did get mentioned in the end-game screen for a lot of stun time.
So..worth it.
opaque quest
modern brook
The weeb angel from d3 is my favorite healer to play
opaque quest
Auriel
ionic fern
Don't have her. 😦
modern brook
She has big clap and line slap and owns and her health does damage and the best part is its reliant on your team go be able to do something for the heal to actually heal
opaque quest
Worse
Much worse
Auriel gets energy to use on her heal when someone else with a buff from her does dmg
modern brook
So thay way when ur getting absolutely dumpsters in healing done by the opposing malf you can just blame them for being useless it's literally perfect
opaque quest
Just put your crown on a valla
ionic fern
But vallas all dive in and die.
modern brook
Also she adds to hat comp
ionic fern
VAULT>MISS STUN ULT>DIE
modern brook
opaque quest
Thats fair
modern brook
Combos true
opaque quest
Nobody can
modern brook
Death wing is ass bro
opaque quest
Death wing is mega broken in QP cause nobody reads Telegraphs
modern brook
Alright I should probably pretend to sleep. Mwahi I love you. Enjoy baking rooach.
ionic fern
BReaths in > side step and kill him.
modern brook
Have a good day yall
ionic fern
Wjhile he channels.
opaque quest
Roach doesnt bake today. Or tomorrow. Cause roach has chill for the rest of the week
ionic fern
Know what else i like..Zeratul.
I domn't know what i'm doing on him at all.
But i still kill people and look cool teleporting around.
opaque quest
Do i want to stop at 30% CHC then go into vers? Or just keep going chc for deepz
warm plinth
Nothing wrong with having a bit of everything, but you don't need to hard stop at 30% or anything
opaque quest
Sweet thx
bright acorn
hi guys just checking logs and i see lots of warriors are going crit haste
why is crit being prioritize? thx
opaque quest
DAMAAAAGE
jagged pier
nope not because of just damage
opaque quest
I swapped from haste vers to haste crit 2 hours ago did a 22 and it feels the same but my dmg increased alot
Well its parry too
But mostly dmg
jagged pier
the TLDR is
stats dont really matter
vers is only good if u can get to high levels
which u cant atm
crit actually even tho it is rng
will do more damage mitigation than vers over a key
so your IP can stop more magic damage
its also more damage
but
if u want to run vers
your more than welcome
will hardly change anything to a point where u wont notice it really
but u will probs do less damage
opaque quest
Going crit haste also lets you easily play fury as offspecc. I just checked droptimizer and my biggest upgrade would be 161 dps
Or Arms. Also needs crit haste
Dunno how much it matters to most ppl but being able to chill a key as dps is dope
latent jungle
Finally got 447 forgestorm 🥳
bright acorn
will do more damage mitigation than vers over a key
thx bro really aprreciate it
warm plinth
Finally got 447 forgestorm 🥳
Congratulations friend
ionic fern
Going crit haste also lets you easily play fury as offspecc. I just checked drop...
I thought Fury wants mastery.
opaque quest
I thought Fury wants mastery.
Up to 45% yeah then you go crit
opaque quest
😄
bronze lantern
opaque quest
Na theres no breakpoint but usually crit pulls ahead around 45%
Simming is more precise ofc
hardy snow
vault as usual 
hardy snow
im using vault to get lfr tmog
if you need armor parts - you can get veteran 1/8 from time rifts, they can cover lfr and normal tmogs after upgrading
jagged pier
yer i not doing time rifts
opaque quest
Also the drop chance from rifts is abyssmal
hardy snow
first rift of week (or quest for it, dont remember exactly) gives guaranted coin to buy armor piece from vendor 
opaque quest
8 weeks for tmog tho
sly shadow
hello
does anyone have any suggestions for certain trackers for people who don't like to use class specific weakaura packages (i mean the ones that show every single cooldown) I'd like to freshen up my ui a bit. I have a shieldblock tracker and a last stand tracker for my tier set but i cant think of any others
I mainly use hotbars to track all of my ability cooldowns and seperate weakauras to track important buff cooldowns etc
ionic fern
If you don't need anything else, don't get anything else.
sly shadow
yep i just cant think if i m missing any important buffs
opaque quest
Whats the procedure on bleed debuffs? Reroll dwarf or die?
jagged pier
get healed
opaque quest
Get healed sounds fun. Especially when i got 120k hps in NL while the healer has 55
ionic fern
Healer HPS only matters if someone is dying.
opaque quest
Well i am dying
ionic fern
I'm almost always doing less HPS than the tanks on my rshaman.
ionic fern
Well i am dying
Je, then it's a issue.
opaque quest
Ye but not 50k while the tank dies after exhausting 3 deff CDs
sly shadow
how are you doing 120k hps?
opaque quest
Last stand impending victory and IP spam
Its not overall or smth. Its on the first huge pull with the shard hulk thingy before first boss
sly shadow
i wondered if i was doing something wrong, I am not I've just never seen it that high
opaque quest
What key lvls are you playing?
sly shadow
opaque quest
Wait until you do 21s 22s. Shit starts to hurt bad after 20
sly shadow
yeah my warrior is very new, I feel like some stuff even now smacks but im sure it will get better the more loot i get
opaque quest
Dont worry. Im not judging. My warr is 3 weeks old now
Still learning too
I feel like switching at least 1 dps trinket to a def trinket for now
brazen yarrow
i dont think
sly shadow
might not be a bad idea
chromatic essence is my only useful trinket atm, I have a darkmoon deck craft for my other one
sly shadow
my only other trinket is gnoll flare
opaque quest
Have you done the mega dungeon?
sly shadow
on my other characters
opaque quest
Sandglas and stone scale feel good
sly shadow
not on my warrior yet
opaque quest
Just go for it. Apart from final boss youre gonna breeze through on prot
sly shadow
honestly the quality of people trying to pug dawn of the infinite is the biggest turn away
you always have some high ilvl high io "gigachad" try to ego the mechanics with there ilvl and die
i do it with my friends when they are available
opaque quest
I NEVER join a doti group without everybody having the achievement. I rather not do it or wait
Just open a grp and have ppl link achi before invite
sly shadow
not a bad plan
lol i need a battle shout tracker that insults me
for my paladin in wotlk i had one that said TURN ON RIGHTEOUS FURY NOOB
opaque quest
Got a wago link?
sly shadow
opaque quest
Sweet ty
sly shadow
opaque quest
chilly brook
Mythic mag <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I’m sure tanking with your cotank doing less than half your DPS is real fun
sand drum
hey guys sorry for a silly question
do I loot prot for Forgestorm or do I loot arms for mythic anvil ?
chilly brook
Yes I also realized it’s not actually less than half, it’s early leave me alone
sand drum
hey guys sorry for a silly question
do I loot prot for Forgestorm or do I loot a...
playing Sandglass and Beacon rn
chilly brook
hey guys sorry for a silly question
do I loot prot for Forgestorm or do I loot a...
Which one is a larger DPS upgrade?
chilly brook
Do you care about raid? Etc.
chilly brook
Ask yourself if you need the dps for your raid
You always need the DPS
sand drum
hmmm, I mean both are about same dps difference is about 50 🤷♂️
opaque quest
Sure. But how much do you need it
chilly brook
Doesn’t matter if you’re full of blasters
undone verge
I’m sure tanking with your cotank doing less than half your DPS is real fun
I actually didn’t really rip aggro surprisingly, I’d tanked with him before in a heroic pug and apparently was ripping aggro before his taunt was off cd lol
sand drum
agree w griff
opaque quest
Depends. Are we talking about progress or farm. In progress it matters way more. If everythings on farm just loot for w/e you want more
sand drum
Doesn’t matter if you’re full of blasters
will sim 1 more time to make sure whats highest dps
chilly brook
If you’re in a group of blasters and you can do 96k instead of 80k you’re pushing the boss faster which is almost always better
sand drum
yep yep