t is my mount button
#protection
south zealot
toxic pewter
Never actually tried it either I dont like the cast time
south zealot
y is avatar pot and racial button
just different icon than normal because other keybind has /use 13 in it
toxic pewter
Can’t wait to tank in this set
Imagine my little Vulpera ass running around with beer lmao
torn gulch
have you guys used withered healing potions with full full potion+decayology alchemy build?
potion is broken heals for like 400-500k net healing
lusty grotto
im not alch so no
toxic pewter
What’s the downside again
torn gulch
under 100k damage
but it does 400-500k net healing
320k base+20% of your hp as a dot
toxic pewter
Yeah gonna pick some of those up
torn gulch
if you have full potion build
toxic pewter
Yeah I am
torn gulch
so you need full frost potion+full decayology to reduce your damage by 50%
the dot is reduced to like 18-20k every 3s for 15s which is like 100k
damage
but you get 320k base heal+20% of your maximum health healing
looks like it is superior to a normal hp pot
normal pot does 160k+20% of your maximum health
all of this at rank 3 pots
lusty grotto
sounds interesting
torn gulch
it's not much stronger but the dot it's like it does not exist in combat with passive healing
i'll have to test this more
the downside is that these potions are significantly more expensive i guess
on my AH hp pots are 4g and these are 96g
lol
nvm the price difference is pants
but if you don't care for gold
toxic pewter
Yeah dang. Cuz need to go to altar of decay in brackenhide. Pain in the ass
torn gulch
i'll just take the altar out if i need to craft
put it in my pocket
so i tested both
withering potion has about 100k more net healing plus the dot is not as bad in a combat situation with passive healing like leech indomidable
but with how expensive they are and how much of a pain in the ass they are to craft it's probably not worth it
still a very interesting interaction
conclusion is that being an alchemist makes HP pots a VERY powerful cooldown
lusty grotto
well tbf youre also supposed to be using pots on runs
but having the extra healing power is nice if youre alch
i always have 200-300 r3 on me for keys
sullen valve
Can someone help me make sense of this shield charge resource change event?
Player had Unnerving Focus and last stand active
Player had Champion's Bulwark
So like
Shield Charge = 20
Champion's Bulwark = 20
Unnerving Focus = (20 + 20) * .5 = 20
But the event.. shows 59
torn gulch
oh yeah if you're not using hp pots in raids and m+ you're trolling
lusty grotto
where are you seeing this
sullen valve
as in
A cap to the rage it can give?
lusty grotto
does wcl report gain if their rage bar is capped?
or just the amount it capped with?
lusty grotto
hmm
well there's also a weird IP interaction
but not sure if he was IP'ing at that moment
there's a... weird interaction where IP generates more VO stacks than it should
so that could be affecting the rage gain
sullen valve
:monkas
toxic pewter
Shield charge does 20 baseline. 40 with bulwark
lusty grotto
either way yes it does not look like its accurate in the log
sullen valve
I'm in shambles
lusty grotto
or at least its showing us that Focus isnt affecting it
toxic pewter
Could be just a rounding error
sullen valve
I'm just trying to make a nice and pretty rage tracker that breaks up all the things
toxic pewter
59 pretty close to 60
sullen valve
It would be float... but i'd be shocked if there is a rounding error
sullen valve
50% says the talent
lusty grotto
yeah, it probably isnt affecting it
let me check
uhh
it does 60 in live
or at least with Nome's WA
it shows 60
with unnerving
so the 50% from unnerving isnt factoring into it
#1
sullen valve
Maybe just a weird one off
sullen valve
computers sometime beep when they should be boop
lusty grotto
yeah
like i would agree with Apb that it seems like a rounding error but those are static amounts without any percent calculations
so 🤷
toxic pewter
Do you guys ever run unnerving focus in m+
lusty grotto
no
toxic pewter
Grats
lusty grotto
nice choco!
sullen valve
Y'all wanna see some new tech I'm working on?
warm plinth
Y'all wanna see some new tech I'm working on?
Always
toxic pewter
Ya
sullen valve
Hold up. I just broke it in the process of adding more
When I get it re-stitched up, I'll show
lusty tiger
dusky canopy
sullen valve
I couldn't find one log that had all 3 talents
Heavy Repercussions, Impenetrable Wall, Unnerving Focus (I didn't look hard)
Ignore the UNKNOWN spell
@ionic fern I hope this is a fine design with you for showing rage increases
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> I hope this is a fine design with you for showing rage inc...
Yesssssssssssss. ❤️
sullen valve
With this setup I have now... even tho its ugly
it allows me to handle stuff much more flexibly
so if there are others
I can add them semi-easily
I should note
This works with the typical wow event amplication processing
(base + additives) * multipliers
With the decisions to do to handle HR before IW
So those numbers are semi-changeable
ionic fern
so if there are others
I can add them semi-easily
Ngl, there probably are some things i missed..especially since i used a more or less "fine" log as and example run-through.
Are you implementing them on prod as you go or making one big push once everything is done?
ionic fern
Nice.
sullen valve
When I make tier imma go sicko
ionic fern
Then i'll run another log through later today.
south zealot
what order are you doing the specs in
ionic fern
To see if i missed something.
south zealot
sullen valve
I'm only going to do prot warrior and holy paladin
I don't want to expand and burn out again
south zealot
fair enough
sullen valve
I might do a base implementation of others but like
Nothing more than that
sullen valve
I'll add War Machine tomorrow since that should be super easy
Also as a general note for everyone
If you want something added to wowA let me know
restive scroll
Also as a general note for everyone
If you want something added to wowA let me k...
Can you add reflects? (I don't think it's in atm)
Nobody wants to show it to us :(
Otherwise everyone would see how great war is!
(Sounds very difficult to implement though...)
sullen valve
WDYM?
Like how much damage you reflected with spell reflecet?
restive scroll
Yeup
sullen valve
Isn't that just directly in logs?
sullen valve
Get me a log and I'll figure it out
sullen valve
Is there a current boss I could check for that :)
warm plinth
Last boss of nl
sullen valve
Is there a raid boss... 😢 there are so many events in m+
timber terrace
amalgamation P1 you can reflect
restive scroll
Isn't that a deflect?
restive scroll
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3b6vyB81KYmP9wNM#fight=1&type=damage-taken&...
warm plinth
Lava bolt on assault can be reflected
torn gulch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FPCyAk324ZbYjtr6#fight=7&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=252
I think here you can see that molten crash got reflected 5 times for 900k each
sullen valve
Let me sleep on this
Its probably do able with some weird reverse wcl query... since I have to some how be specific about who's spell reflect did it
torn gulch
but i might read it wrong
restive scroll
Let me sleep on this
Its probably do able with some weird reverse wcl query... ...
If you can do a query like "mob hits mob", that should be fairly easy
If not, that's another issue entirely
restive scroll
Or a dps war that taunt/reflect
sullen valve
then you're gaining their spell reflect damage
yeah
I gotta put my thinking cap on for this one
sullen valve
yeah
torn gulch
so on dargul you'll see molten crash damage and you know that is your spell reflect
sullen valve
the issue is how do I pair it with YOUR spell reflect
torn gulch
i don't think that is happening
sullen valve
That is what we want to happen
that is what I'm going to try to solve
The goal is to solve that issue
torn gulch
i have a feeling that it cannot be done because there might be no way to separate spell reflect damage on the same target from multiple warrs
restive scroll
i have a feeling that it cannot be done because there might be no way to separat...
It can, but it involves significantly more work, as you need to check the timeline too
if we were able to see how much reflect was done, by any war, that'd be a damn great partial solution @sullen valve
sullen valve
hold up hold up
Imma sleep on this
I think I have a good path forward... maybe we get some fire soon
torn gulch
if we were able to see how much reflect was done, by any war, that'd be a damn g...
so individual reflect damage?
or total reflect damage?
sullen valve
Last important question
Have you ever been able to reflect dots
nvm
I can see you are doing that on Primal Tsunami
torn gulch
Last important question
Have you ever been able to reflect dots
was the eye boss in kharazan reflect a dot?
sullen valve
No clue
I can see its possible with a previously posted log
Time to think since I should be able to get the first event decently easily
idk about follow up events for dots
sullen valve
Channeled ability
Dot
Same thing
torn gulch
fair enough
sullen valve
Non singular hit spell
restive scroll
Last important question
Have you ever been able to reflect dots
Yes we can see that on 4th uldaman.
Tsunami is a canalized actually=]
Ideally thay should be implemented in warcraft log, that'd make your part significantly easier, and that'd make more sense
lusty grotto
was the eye boss in kharazan reflect a dot?
yes
it was
the hit and dot
like they mentioned primal tsunami has 2 reflects, knockback and the dot right after, and emberon has the slam dot
sullen valve
Maybe I'll figure it out
Maybe I'll complain to someone else to figure it out
lusty grotto
ideally you only want to reflect the dot not the knockback but just mentioning it just in case
torn gulch
ideally you only want to reflect the dot not the knockback but just mentioning i...
yes the second reflect is significantly more damage
restive scroll
You sure it's a dot and not a canalized spell?
sullen valve
I can pair events
I can't think of wcl query for it
restive scroll
the NL reflects arent dots so mentioning it just in case
Even the third boss?
torn gulch
channeled abilities and dots behave the same if i am not mistaken
it's damage event every x time for y time
lusty grotto
yes even wormy
restive scroll
I can pair events
I can't think of wcl query for it
That's why i was thinking of a partial solution which'd be great
lusty grotto
you only reflect the hit on captain worm, not the stack of poison
restive scroll
yes even wormy
👍
restive scroll
channeled abilities and dots behave the same if i am not mistaken
That sounds right, but in general, canalized can be interrupted, like dot may be dispelled
But a reflected dot has less chances of being dispelled
Idk if the distinction is important in any kind of way though (in this context)
proper roost
gusty stratus
Any quality of life addon a for m+ I may have missed that you guys like to use?
valid hinge
Why does the boss with the chains in neltharus sometimes not get stunned after breaking three chains?
spice rivet
is there a decent spec setup thats way more braindead then the current one reccomended for tanking
spice rivet
just a weekly gamer and want to help guildies with minimal effort
ionic fern
is there a decent spec setup thats way more braindead then the current one recco...
Talent setup?
spice rivet
ye
spice rivet
im just the retard that wants to actives
and all passives
but thats not really how tanking works rn
ionic fern
What key level?
spice rivet
damn furry got hands
ionic fern
I mean..Ravager/Dragon Charge/Thunderous Roar are all big for us.
I wouldn't give up any of them.
I suppose those abilities are the ones you are reffering to considering all the rest are baseline?
spice rivet
i guess its more the defensives like the 20% dr shout/Last stand ect
im honestly a lazy dps brain so i tend to want to macro those things
spice rivet
maybe i just need to change up my keybinds tbh
since you dont really use a lot
i might have useless buttons so having the better buttons on more useful positioned buttons
am i having a brain anurism what did i just type
jesus
ionic fern
Just don't pick Bolster.
If you're lazy.
It will gimp your DPS pretty hard.
But. 🤷
Then you won't have to cast LS.
Ideally you would still cast it on CD for the 4p.
spice rivet
i think its an issue on my keybinds maybe
is what it looks like currently
avatar is kb into sslam atm
jagged pier
spice rivet
its p dog i know
jagged pier
dont run bloodbourne
spice rivet
my dstance is a swap between battle/d
spice rivet
so its just perma 4
ionic fern
You faceroll a 20 in bstance.
warm plinth
People really need to embrace the MMO mouse smh
ionic fern
Sorry, can we start again..so your issue is that you have too few binds for buttons?
Or your issue is that you don't want to use that many abilities?
spice rivet
the honest issue is im not bad im just so goddamn lazy
and by design i prever passives to actives but tanks just have way more actives then dps
ionic fern
Just run the default build..and don't press LS.
ANd use HR instead of ITF:
To cover SB.
Ggwp.
You WILL gimp your damage.
But it is what it is.
ionic fern
You don't need LS/DS on 20's to survive tbh.
But they both increase your DPS and reduce your damage taken.
spice rivet
is DS just for rage regen or is there another talent that effects it as well
warm plinth
Booming Voice makes it cause mobs to take increased damage
frankly prot war is probably not the tank for you if you want to be lazy. We're one of the highest APM specs in the game
spice rivet
i play fury so im basically up there anyway
its less the buttons and more the amount of active presses.
jagged pier
fury isnt close
spice rivet
im probably overly pressing stuff like IP
jagged pier
ramapage inflates the CPM
spice rivet
which is wastful
ionic fern
Easiest thing is..
Play the build that we have pinned.
But don't press the buttons you don't wanna press
warm plinth
Yeah, rampage and hack and slash both overinflate fury's cpm
ionic fern
.So the times you do press them..they actually provide something.
jagged pier
easiest thing is to play druid u can just press swipe gg
ionic fern
You won't gain anything significant when you swap them for something else.
warm plinth
Druid doesn't even really press swipe tbh lol
warm plinth
Swipe is literally the bottom of the priority list for guardian
jagged pier
yes i know, but dont underestimate FoTm rerollers
and to do 20s u can for sure probably press 1 button
spice rivet
how worth it is tough as nails
spice rivet
gotcha
jagged pier
but u need to get to punish somehow
and u dont want to press buttons
so dont take bolster
cause youll have to press LS more
jagged pier
ah yes lets macro it into our top orio button
so we can pop it at the end of packs
:nodders:
when its not needed
ionic fern
Okay
jagged pier
but eh
spice rivet
i mean i should have just started with
ionic fern
warm plinth
Just play druid and have less buttons you need to press on a regular basis
ionic fern
Just play druid and have less buttons you need to press on a regular basis
My issue with this is "I need to gear ANOTHER alt".
That's why im lazy and play fury
jagged pier
i wouldnt even give this to my worst enemy
warm plinth
But do you just macro all your shit together or do you play the spec properly
jagged pier
what about
spice rivet
the main thing is at least for me theres never enough tanks esp early on in new tiers so i was hoping there was some braindead shit to roll with
ionic fern
what about
jagged pier
HOLY FUCK MWAHI I DIDNT EVEN REALISE HES NOT GOT REND AND IS RUNNING CRACKING THUNDER
warm plinth
you gave him like 2 more buttons to press Jakey smh
jagged pier
hey i didnt make that build
jagged pier
I found that in lfr
warm plinth
oh rofl
spice rivet
is he running bb too
warm plinth
hey we found the one guy running this talent
spice rivet
i can kill mythic sark but killing bad habits is harder
warm plinth
huge
ionic fern
HOLY FUCK MWAHI I DIDNT EVEN REALISE HES NOT GOT REND AND IS RUNNING CRACKING TH...
Hooooooly.
Crap
That's true.
😂
jagged pier
that setup gets worse the more i look at it 
spice rivet
poggies
ionic fern
We used to be able to right click LS off and get the 4p instantly.
But blizz to likey.
So they made it so we can't right click LS off.
jagged pier
the 4p is up for the next pack
well yer true
u dont loose much by it happening well u can if u have to run far
its just a bad habit to mecro defensives and stuff together with active abilities
warm plinth
but he's lazy
jagged pier
and we do try and encourage not doing bad habits
ionic fern
If i were lazy i would just copy/paste the build.
And not press the buttons i don't wanna press.
That's what i do on all my alts pretty much.
warm plinth
lol
remote venture
With alts, I have the button there but slowly learning to use them
remote venture
Isn't pressing lot of buttons fun?
spice rivet
we are getting there
jagged pier
Isn't pressing lot of buttons fun?
for a lot of ppl no
jagged pier
well its ither not fun or they cant do
warm plinth
my brother in christ
warm plinth
spice rivet
fun fact it works
warm plinth
LOLOL
jagged pier
that also works
spice rivet
HELL YEAH
warm plinth
tbf at least he'd use wall more than the average person who comes in here
ionic fern
True.
ionic fern
Just make a rotation macro and bind everything to 1 button.
spice rivet
i just tried to put ravager Tror and DS into the sslam bind
they dont work when on cd 😔
jagged pier
yer that wont work
jagged pier
might as well make rav cast at player as well
spice rivet
oh i do
jagged pier
he already is that lazy
warm plinth
Well, from the convo earlier, that sounds like the right choice since it ticks one less time if you're not in melee 🙂
warm plinth
It is
ionic fern
I'm legit not sure if it's trolling at this point.
warm plinth
But at least he can use a bug as his reasoning instead of laziness
for that particular choice
spice rivet
No im 100% not memeing. im trying to condense tanking into ats few buttons as possible
i normally never come in here i stay in fury/arms chat
tbh prob wont have to worry too much since itll prob be a few months before i dip in here
jagged pier
I mean we are trying to help u while also telling you its a bad idea and the wrong tank to do this with
The issue with warrior is u have to make choices alot of the time
So u cant condense stuff down
spice rivet
yeah. just thought id ask aboout lazy shit since most of the time i just wana make the weekly key or starter patch stuff easier for guildies
but unfortunately its probably better to just stick to being the dps man
crystal igloo
Is defensive stance for pussies?
ionic fern
Is defensive stance for pussies?
No, it has a place and time for use.
spice rivet
dstance saves my ass on rashok for fury
jagged pier
U use it more as dps than we do as tanks
spice rivet
remote venture
dstance is an defance cooldown
spice rivet
can you keep my nickname like this though i think its pretty funny
warm plinth
I mean, you can change your nickname in here :p
ionic fern
can you keep my nickname like this though i think its pretty funny
After reading what you've written it's more likely that if you change it at some point i'm going to force change it back.
spice rivet
I also didnt mean to waste your guys time though. actually hoped someone had something lazy and decent, just doesnt seem like the tank for it since all i like to play is warrior
so i do appriciate the time however wasted on me it was
crystal igloo
Is 1 more alt really that bad?
spice rivet
less about the alt more about the effort required to gear it
crystal igloo
Gearing is super fast now
spice rivet
generally at patch start its all about the main
and by the time im ready to potentially gear an alt my guild has stopped heroic runs
so the effort required to reward significantly decreases at that point
crystal igloo
Gear through m+ and mega dungeon
jagged pier
epend if u want to grind crests on alts
spice rivet
the amount of time spent pugging vs doing a heroic a week is very dif
crystal igloo
My only issue gearing alts is the 100k+ gold ccost on shadowflame gear
ionic fern
epend if u want to grind crests on alts
Je, this is the worst.
Lemme transfer crests.
Ffs.
spice rivet
they just need to let main crests be used on alts
like i already earned them
i did it
jagged pier
Lemme transfer crests.
True.
spice rivet
the main issue is people almsot exepect high gs a month after the patch
so any new alts regardless of main score have to deal with the 11s into 16s
instead of just 16s
like at least let us transfer these
then you can go right into 16s no issue
spice rivet
that legit just from weekly heroic
remote venture
This system is new and I like it. But it can imporve with things like this
spice rivet
idk people keep saying its alt friendly and it is more then it has been
but it still feels oddly restrictive
crystal igloo
Havent played since bfa so this system seems a lot better for alts for me
spice rivet
main thing is all effort should apply to your account
account prog vs character prog
alright i return to fury never again to disgrace the shield
crystal igloo
But u miss the shield slam sound effects
warm plinth
I have almost 6 toons at 440+
jagged pier
you have a char for every spec tho
warm plinth
Si
ionic plank
because there's 6 tanks...
warm plinth
Only two are tanks
ionic plank
o
warm plinth
Ppal, bear, spriest, outlaw, bm hunter
And fury war
Working on a baby 402 fire mage right now mostly because I've never put in much effort to learn it and it'll be a fun project
remote venture
BM Hunter are easy mode
winter marlin
i feel you my alt adhd is wild this season
this season specifically i have a priest (holy & shadow), mage, hpal, prot/fury war, the first two at 435ish war & pal at about 433, then i have my enh /resto shaman & veng dh about 430, then my main evoker pres/aug at 443-444
had to start from scratch unexpectedly at start of s2 so
bout to get a druid up again rq but dilly dallying on it
ionic plank
my warrior is 447 but all my other characters are 430-435
I kinda lost interest in spamming 17s quickly I guess
winter marlin
precisely
hardy snow
im playing two alts
winter marlin
i can get a char 1-70 & about 425ish in a weekend and one reset to 430-432
hardy snow
both of them are prot warriors for transmogs collecting 
winter marlin
then i cannot be bothered to get sweaty grinding aspect crests for a few ilvl
and i'm not pugging heroic raid on all of them. i get one or two reclears done with guild, usually need one of my healers on sark to get people aotc so i do that
just try to get the bosses that drop critical items i need, rashok on a couple lego on voke, i think every char has a beacon & oce at this point
lost motivation to bis out my voker when i've seen like 10 legendaries go out you know..impossible to be "bis" anyway till then
ionic plank
i can get a char 1-70 & about 425ish in a weekend and one reset to 430-432
yeah i did exactly that on my evoker, but now i just do 1-4 keys and alt raid on it
and it's gaining a few ilvls a week
winter marlin
most my guild playing bg3 now, i get off work in time to get the sark kill usually and run through an alt run on saturday but
idk debating mythic prog or attempting to replace this game entirely in my life tbh but it passes the time
trying to find a char that hits the spot again like voker or rdruid last season, but the constant balance & community meta switchups are making it damn impossible
brazen yarrow
are there any important talent node variations per dungeon?
like spell block being taken in a specific dungeon or smth
ionic plank
most my guild playing bg3 now, i get off work in time to get the sark kill usual...
I'm still raiding 3 times a week and fitting in bg3 too 💀 mythic reclear on wednesday, alt run on thursday and hc boost on saturday
but outside of that I barely log on at all
brazen yarrow
my fav part of the day is hunters wiping to easily dodgelable 5 second telegraphed trash mob mechanics and bricking my key after 1 death
restive scroll
Starting 23, i take spell block in most keys now tbh
brazen yarrow
ig it makes sense since a minor boost to ur phenomenal phys defense wont matter but a buff to pretty bad magic def would be a bigger buff
winter marlin
my fav part of the day is hunters wiping to easily dodgelable 5 second telegraph...
see i'd snap
esp knowing that was like my one shot to get 5 score that week
i still lowkey think prot wars are soliidd though, not talked about but i don't know another tank that has such raw ehp on tap
everytime i log in and tank on her i'm pretty impressed compared to the "meta"
jagged pier
BG3 good to play when u can just raid log
ebon geyser
@ionic fern hi fren 
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi fren <a:huggies:800812796647833632>
Hellooo.
remote venture
Are Bear top?
hazy bronze
C for Cool 😎
cunning inlet
👍🏻
cerulean tusk
I had a prot warrior in my +17 FH, 447 gear, he did 120k overall DPS, he was a big boy. Please ignore that he died four times. This surely makes him better than the options other classes bring. This is living proof!
toxic pewter
I had a prot warrior in my +17 FH, 447 gear, he did 120k overall DPS, he was a b...
Do you have a log of that run
blazing condor
if u think class matters on a 17 then ur 
cerulean tusk
He doesn't know
zenith rivet
Does anyone have a good prot warrior build to use for M+??
toxic pewter
Does anyone have a good prot warrior build to use for M+??
Check in the pins there is build in there
sick sentinel
I had a prot warrior in my +17 FH, 447 gear, he did 120k overall DPS, he was a b...
isnt this one of those meme statements?
i swear i heard this line before
waxen frigate
if u think class matters on a 17 then ur <:copium:839076283467431956>
Brain rot
sick sentinel
SIGNS THAT YOUR GROUP DOESNT HAVE A BRAIN AND WILL BRICK THE KEY
they pass you the lead on a 16/17
before the key starts
every damn time im handed leader, its like, i dunno, they........ i dunno how to put it...... their brains fall out and they start standing in more stuff than usual
sick sentinel
IM NOT A HERO, IM NOT A SAVIOUR, FORGET WHAT YOU KNOW
im just a man whos circumstances, went beyoand his control
dusky canopy
37 pulls of Mythic mag last night… my helmet 
Not only did we have a .8% wipe
But also a .7% wipe
toxic pewter
dang that pretty close
undone verge
37 pulls of Mythic mag last night… my helmet <:critcake:984549832511344640>
my guilds other team has like 77 wipes on mag and the only reason its not dead is cause they havnt had a war or monk buff for the last week
they had a 200k wipe
modern brook
classic wizard problems tbh
regal nymph
Should we be lining up avatar/demo/thunderous roar/ravager every time they come off CD, and just squeezing in one demo by itself every other? Or am I misunderstanding the rotation?
warm plinth
Avatar will likely not line up every time due to its CD after reduction. But you'll have Demo/TR/Ravager/Shield Charge every 1.5 mins, and Demo+Shield Charge every 45 sec
regal nymph
Okay, so line those up together and use avatar more or less on cd, or hold it for <10s if I can pair it up
toxic pewter
I take it you you are using thunderlord
jagged pier
why would u hold it when its got a 20 sec duration
so will line up with demo anyway
if your holding it for <10s
toxic pewter
I never hold avatar myself unless I am at the end of a pack or something
jagged pier
thats the only time u do
u hold it thats less over time
u never hold anything
in general play
toxic pewter
yep
regal nymph
I take it you you are using thunderlord
Yessir
regal nymph
why would u hold it when its got a 20 sec duration
I don’t know why. That’s why I’m asking you fine folks
jagged pier
u cant hold anything u loose useages down the line of play
regal nymph
Makes sense though. So you’re never trying to pair avatar with any of your other offensive cds. If it happens, it happens
jagged pier
u hold avatar suddenly AM isnt reducing its cd
u hold demo suddenly your TCs are reducing the cd
making those talents pointless
cerulean tusk
What if there is a burst window coming? Hmmmm 
hardy snow
its ok to hold beacon on harlan for p3, if you know you wont have two usages anyway 
jagged pier
more important to get 5 stack anvil or beacon off in a burst window
than u use your cooldowns in them
strong forum
avatar is 35sec CD
jagged pier
its ok to hold beacon on harlan for p3, if you know you wont have two usages any...
thats actually just padding damage u should use it earlier so u get to the faster part of the fight faster
sullen valve
Are there any FLAT (additive) rage generation effects for melee attacks?
well... I guess the better question is what are the rage modifiers for auto attacks
What I know now is
- Base auto = 2 rage
- War Machine = 50% increase
is there any more?
toxic pewter
if you take Instigate talent (in spec tree) devastator (effectively auto attack) gives 1 more rage
uneven mason
well... I guess the better question is what are the rage modifiers for auto atta...
Devastator
sullen valve
Does Devastator actually increase rage per auto attack?
toxic pewter
na
sullen valve
smh smh
toxic pewter
just if you take that Instigate talent
sullen valve
smh smh smh smh smh msh
dusky canopy
Ikari Abe is the wow analyzer guy
jagged pier
because hes trying to update the wowAnalyser for us
dusky canopy
I just learned this yesterday
uneven mason
Gotya
sullen valve
I'll get the anal rage breakdown (from things I know) done today
Once I make a few changes to my code
this shit will start flying
brittle owl
smh monks still doing prot api
sullen valve
???
I'm not a monk
toxic pewter
O_O
didnt you mention your play druid iirc @sullen valve lol
at least I thought..
uneven mason
Everyone playing druid
toxic pewter
I think he said hes a healer plays resto druid
brittle owl
damn you're slow apb
uneven mason
I play a healing druid too, but mines guardian
brittle owl
best healing is killing things fast
hardy snow
Everyone playing druid
I dont
sullen valve
Here is the wild part
uneven mason
Does that too
sullen valve
I don't play teh game
uneven mason
I don't play teh game
Most of the brains don't anymore
brittle owl
is wow even playable??
sullen valve
wowA = fun
wow = can be fun but too busy```well, df is actually the most fun expansion they have ever made so far. It is, in fact, so fun you do not even have to actually play it.
jagged pier
that was wod
jagged pier
well u actually have to like do your crafts (not so much anymore)
and m+
in wod
u literally didnt have to do anything but raid log
garrisons made u money
and raids were good
jagged pier
toxic pewter
anything better than what has happened here in df
sullen valve
I miss bfa
when prot warrior was ap
and you were pressing thunder clap 40 times a minute
sick sentinel
shadowlands sucked because they didnt deliver on the main vilian hard enough
and the maw and korthia and torghast sucekd
maw was just boring and dead, literal and figurative
modern brook
and you were pressing thunder clap 40 times a minute
I feel like Warrior playstyle has not changed significantly since they gutted ip going into BFA
strong forum
Does Devastator actually increase rage per auto attack?
instigator
daring marlin
Take off the rose tinted glasses
strong forum
adds +1 rage on auto attack
jagged pier
exactly why the game was good
modern brook
WTF was there to do in WoD but raidlog?
raidlog and complain - truly the wow player classic
toxic pewter
I miss every expansion and loved them all
daring marlin
exactly why the game was good
Have you read anything apb has ever said? He hates that.
toxic pewter
expect the current one of course
daring marlin
He wants to be compelled to log on. Always online.
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
yeah df just needs something to aspire to and I would like it.
sick sentinel
the character im playing as on ROTT is literal a nomer clone
jagged pier
it does
daring marlin
LMAO
jagged pier
its lets u choose tho
strong forum
Nomeratur 30 years late
sick sentinel
with nomegusted on right
sullen valve
https://i.imgur.com/PAwKPgh.png
Am I not infinitely important to everyone in here?
sick sentinel
his name in the game is "Ian Paul Freely" some boomer ass reference im too young to understand
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
i get like, 50% of boomer memes
rest, like name references, i see them but i never really get them
sick sentinel
its entirely possible its a joke about peeing freely, or reference to some serial killer type dude
sick sentinel
i just like getting a bazooka and H.U.N.T ing down some nazis is why i bought the game 🙂
sullen valve
Jakey is my 13th reason
jagged pier
actually i change my answer u are infinitely important to me, wowA can tell ppl they are pressing their buttons on cd, instead of me having to do it
❤️
lusty grotto
indeed indeed
sullen valve
and you can get fun stats you couldn't easily normally get
lusty grotto
you mean you get fun stats like dn?
jagged pier
lusty grotto
sullen valve
Fun stats like what is happening in Kenya rn
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
bro i saw that Abe, candice is over there too
south zealot
Fun stats like what is happening in Kenya rn
whats kenya 
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
the joke is that its the master smiths hammer and i named the macro ham as in the hammer itself and that it usually involves going ham on said macro button.
sullen valve
bro the work I'm doing for y'all
I should be getting paid
jagged pier
forward the invoices to @ionic fern
sullen valve
Skyhold accounting department when
chilly brook
bro the work I'm doing for y'all
I should be getting paid
Pay dn
sullen valve
I'm uninstalling wowA bc of you
south zealot
whats dn
south zealot
holy moly
sick sentinel
chilly brook
No I’m not serious
sick sentinel
its a damn shame i never learned video editing when i was young
chilly brook
its a damn shame i never learned video editing when i was young
You can still learn
I promise it’s not that complex
Then again I do it for a living
sick sentinel
the complex part is coming up with spare 1000$ to get adobe shit
chilly brook
Griff is too young to understand
Hey man I’m a 27 year old boomer
chilly brook
the complex part is coming up with spare 1000$ to get adobe shit
You don’t
cerulean tusk
so young
chilly brook
You use DaVinci Resolve for free
hazy bronze
its a damn shame i never learned video editing when i was young
I agree
chilly brook
And get 95% of the features you need
hazy bronze
I'd be sub #1
sick sentinel
1000$ sure, spare 1000$, i mean, thats different, i cant remember what the pricing structure is but the serious package is more than a dollar or 2 a day
cerulean tusk
YogiTube? I would sub for that
sick sentinel
iys like 60 70 bucks 100 bucks a month shit
chilly brook
- I pay like $30 a month for the whole adobe suite
- DaVinci resolve is free for most of what you want and is an industry leading editing software
sick sentinel
all i know for sure is adobe is expensive as hell
and i dont meet the criteria for using it
sick sentinel
i prefer windows movie maker
if i have to do an edited video, that isnt cut and paste, its WMM for me
so like, those keys i put up on YT
they are just trimmed down and then slammed into youtube
chilly brook
Yogi gonna make me destroy my camera
sick sentinel
i got a samssung galaxy s6
its on life support
but it has a 4k camera and a IR remote so it can do tv shit
smaller than a pop tart and takes 4k pictures, never need to throw it away ever
i dunno, it just seems like technology and hard drives and digital pictures are the way
sick sentinel
well, im holding judgment as best i can but it sure looks like boomer ass camera
chilly brook
It uses SD cards my man
sick sentinel
like, not a negative at all, probablyt a great unit
chilly brook
It’s also more of a video camera than a photography camera as well
sick sentinel
those cameras i like think about they are used for movies or something james rofle would use
like a serious camera video person
i wont be buying a fancy camera soon is what im really saying
patent imp
is there a macro to only switch from def stance to battle stance if u are in defensive stance?
chilly brook
is there a macro to only switch from def stance to battle stance if u are in def...
Like if you use a defensive like shield wall?
lusty grotto
patent imp
id like to add if defensive stance switch battle stance in my avatar macro
lusty grotto
chilly brook
But why would you do that
What if you press avatar when you actually need to be in defensive stance?
Like you’re not going to sit on avatar
That’s silly
chilly brook
Avatar isn’t just an offensive button
patent imp
i m aint gonna to big push guys
chilly brook
i m aint gonna to big push guys
Just have a stance button
It’s not that big of a deal
patent imp
allrady got one
sick sentinel
i tried a 17 lair last night and this was the results
chilly brook
So why do you need to add a macro that can actually screw you?
If you already have a stance button just press it if you’re in the stance you don’t wanna be in
patent imp
u guys arn't answering me if there is a macro to do what i want
chilly brook
If you’re worried you’ll forget then get a WA to show you your stance
Of course there is
patent imp
allready got some
chilly brook
I’m not going to make it because I’m not encouraging bad play
patent imp
ahah ^^" ur wrong
chilly brook
patent imp
should i say thanks anyway ?
chilly brook
I’m wrong?
south zealot
how is he wrong lol
sick sentinel
they are saying its in the pins which is correct
its not quite r/maliciouscompliance, but it is buried
violet flume
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CF8YwcnT12xd4ZPG/#fight=last
45-50k dps overall for the entire group for a +17.. oof
sick sentinel
they said after or during a wipe "all melee lair doesn't work"
something to that extent
violet flume
yeah all melee lair sucks
patent imp
cause you want me to explain what use it will have in my game play, id like to switch more with my stances, in betwwen pulls, espeially during set up, and not have to press my stand button once the pull is done
violet flume
avalanche sucks but its manageable.. worm boss it sucks for adds
its doable but i guess people dont run out preemptively
south zealot
its not great to have all melee lair but the bigger issue is that they suck
jagged pier
if your not a 'big push guy' u shouldnt need to switch stance at all
patent imp
sick sentinel
there are fights where defensive stance makes the dmg a joke, but 2 of those are in mega anyways
and its a crutch tactic at best
violet flume
20% DR won't make much a joke tbh
its more of a safety net
or if you push really high i guess
sick sentinel
it makes twisted timeways and final boss of mega p1/p3 a total joke
violet flume
i figure theres some shit that will outright kill you because of the high damage in hyper high keys
timber terrace
Just macro battle stance into every spell and change the dstance icon into rune tap
chilly brook
if your not a 'big push guy' u shouldnt need to switch stance at all
This
lusty grotto
its possible to do, but conditionals will severely limit the amount of characters you can put into your macro
chilly brook
Like idk you’re making it more complex than it needs to be my guy
lusty grotto
either way its a bad fucking decision anyway
sick sentinel
its a thing you throw on if you are really scared tldr
low gear or scary boss phase
undone verge
defesnive stance is basically a major cooldown
am I taking a ton of dmg and dont have SW or Demo/ravager/shield charge coming soon and impending victory is on cd? Dstance
keen epoch
yeah i just have a button that swaps dstance and bstance
seems much easier than trying to micromanage by pressing other buttons lol
valid hinge
He always gets stunned
Not true, I had it happen twice yesterday run boss through three chains and no stun 😦
lusty grotto
that happens when someone gets smart about movement
i had it happen when a warlock used portal
twice
tell your dps to not fucking use movement abilities
dusky canopy
Guys if I accepted a lockout but did not kill any bosses am I saved for the week?
jagged pier
Guys if I accepted a lockout but did not kill any bosses am I saved for the week...
Mythic yes
Others no
dusky canopy
Damn alright thanks
jagged pier
Well depends did the lockout have bosses dead?
dusky canopy
Yes first 6 but I wasn’t apart of any of them just joined for mag wiping
lusty tiger
south zealot
i have that already
sick sentinel
i needed it at 441 instead of 437
south zealot
why not 447
daring marlin
big angry cowman gets what he wants
toxic pewter
anyone know offhand to get 3000 io.. do you need all keys both fort and tyran at 22?
south zealot
iirc its full 22s and a couple 23s
toxic pewter
ok thank you
lusty tiger
God tier
lusty tiger
It’s got a chicken dumpling homie
dusky canopy
anyone know offhand to get 3000 io.. do you need all keys both fort and tyran at...
I’m 2960 and the only 22 I’m missing is ULD witch is 21 and also the only 23 I have so far is UNDR, for reference
So like said it’s basically all 22s and 3ish 23s
restive scroll
I’m 2960 and the only 22 I’m missing is ULD witch is 21 and also the only 23 I h...
Uld is super hard this week for some reason
I've depleted so many of them
dusky canopy
I hate that place I have bricked at fire boss more than I can count on both hands
restive scroll
low dps, low heal, low ???
dusky canopy
Very frustrating
Takes hours to get one attempt and then it shits the bed
Reeeeeee
restive scroll
yeah
I'm one level more than you, and it takes an hour to find a key
To brick it first pull
dusky canopy
Yeah man it’s fairly common for anyone who doesn’t play meta it’s always been that way
Is what it is unfortunately
lusty tiger
WHERE THE HECK IS MY ROGUE REWORK
sick sentinel
thats odd, hasn't listed my lair run i just did like an hour ago
daring marlin
thats odd, hasn't listed my lair run i just did like an hour ago
Are you sure you did it?
sick sentinel
ya, cuz we had a boomy in that run
daring marlin
I think you were dreamin' yogi
lusty tiger
what are the two broteins
chicken and beef in the back
daring marlin
what kind you buffoon
somber sky
i miss me some broteins been pure veg for the past 7 months cus with fam and they have a no meat at home policy
lusty tiger
i miss me some broteins <:sadge:820202363359854633> been pure veg for the past 7...
you need a trip to outback brother
sick sentinel
maybe some privated the run lol
somber sky
you need a trip to outback brother
dubai doesn't have outback
lusty tiger
i think restricting types of food for other people is rude considering not everyone digest all foods equally
lusty tiger
dubai doesn't have outback <:sadge:820202363359854633>
go get a philly cheesteak somewhere
brazen yarrow
i think not eating meat is kind of a blunder
lusty tiger
i tried giving up meat for a month and it made my body so feel so much worse
then i went pretty much 95% meat diet for 6 months
toxic pewter
So like said it’s basically all 22s and 3ish 23s
ty for this info
fiery veldt
I used to have a weakaura that would announce when I'm spell reflecting and if the reflect was successful and I cant seem to find it anymore.. does anyone have something like that?
restive scroll
I used to have a weakaura that would announce when I'm spell reflecting and if t...
sent in private, as I don't have the wago under my thumb
jagged gust
i miss me some broteins <:sadge:820202363359854633> been pure veg for the past 7...
Are you and your family getting enough iron in their diet? I know quite a few people who had recommendations from their doctors to increase their iron supplements due to going veggie.
strange tundra
I know the race you chose dosent really matter untill high level content. But what allience races are good for prot? Drenai? Mecha gnome?
south zealot
dwarf to remove bleeds which can be dangerous
idek whats good besides thst everything else is so minor u can just roll a wheel
south zealot
do dark iron dwarvs work?
i think but im not sure
modern brook
THey remove the same things, iirc
south zealot
more damage holy moly
modern brook
playing dwarf is cringe tho
lusty grotto
playing dwarf is cringe tho
no u