protection

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to keep IP up, its a rage dump, use when youre about to cap

keeping IP up is NOT a requirement

keeping SB up IS

[round storm]

Ok sweet as Thankyou

[lusty grotto]

i hope bull is proud of me for correcting disinformation 🙂

[round storm]

I currrntly main sub rogue

[lusty grotto]

its ok but it'll be a learning curve if youve never tanked before

there are easier tanks for first-time-tanks

rule #1 of tanking, always face mobs

never ever let them hit you on your butt, you'll get astro fucked

on any tank

because you cannot dodge, parry or block from behind

i recommend the icy veins prot warrior guide if youre still interested in prot warriors

and tanking

[undone verge]

definitely gonna be more buttons than sub rogue

Basically the entire spec is rage management, and most of our prio reflects that, generally whatever gives us the most rage is most important, and ignore pain is used to avoid overcapping rage

[undone verge]

Shield slam is the most important since its our main generator of rage, and Thunderclap, revenge, and execute are used to reset shield slams cooldown. So your prio is going to be Shieldslam>Thunderclap(since it generates rage)>Execute(Through procs, or execute phase)>Revenge

This is more ST tho as you probably dont wanna press execute over revenge in aoe

[keen epoch]

I feel like sometimes I'm hitting IP too much but I also never seem to run out of rage in AOE, does it just matter less there because you get so much more?

[urban portal]

you should not cap rage

[round storm]

tysm guys

[jagged pier]

No u always need to spend the rage u generate for AM if u dont you loose out on too much

U just send IP regardless of its value if u have spare rage

[onyx needle]

Anyone know if you can get this trinket at a higher level? I was curious for the absorb and dmg is pretty darn good.

[jagged pier]

Good? Thats 2 IP castsish worth of absorb every 2 mins 🤔

[onyx needle]

Yeah at that ilvl it is did not know if it could be obtained at a higher ilvl.

[jagged pier]

Well technically actually less cause it doesnt have the dr

[torn gulch]

there are 2 absorb trinkets that are way way better than this one

actually 3

[restive scroll]

Cannot dodge from behind anymore?
Particularly on bears?
(I am really out of date on some classes)

[proper roost]

What do you mean anymore

You've literally never been able to avoid from behind as a player

You're confusing player behavior with NPC behavior

[lusty grotto]

yeah since day 1 of vanilla you could not

[restive scroll]

I was sure guardian druid could dodge from behind, maybe in bc.
Guess i was wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proper roost]

No

Literally never

That's not how player avoidance has ever worked

[sand pebble]

mobs can dodge attacks from behind, players cannot - it follows the same rule as block and parry

[keen epoch]

so if i have outburst and unstoppable force in avatar on 2 targets do i slam or stomp

[lusty grotto]

shield slam

use it on shield slam always

unless if you have an huge pack

[keen epoch]

wowhead says clap 5 targets or more so thats wrong?

[lusty grotto]

more like 7

use icy veins

wowhead's hasnt been updated

[keen epoch]

ok so shield slam above revenge like always

[lusty grotto]

shield slam > TC > revenge

[restive scroll]

Anyone have had some issue with reflecting Emberon (4th uldaman) ? I had the reflect not work multiple times in 22/23, although it was indeed up according to logs (and reflecting)

[warm plinth]

Just to clarify, what are you expecting it to reflect?

[restive scroll]

Searing Clap

[warm plinth]

Searing Clap is not reflectable

The DoT that applies after Searing Clap is reflectable.

[restive scroll]

Hum, thanks.
I'll try to read the log better !

[warm plinth]

You'd be looking for Burning Heat damage on the boss

in log

[jovial steeple]

Roar and ravager buffs does also work for prot right?

[undone verge]

yeah

its like 500 dps buff

[sick sentinel]

so crazy how my 5 ilvl down paladin already outdamages my warrior, they need to buff it more

or nerf the other tanks

[jagged pier]

Or u need to play warrior better

[sick sentinel]

dunno feels so bad to play since s2

maybe just me

[undone verge]

Prot warrior lowest dps tank sad

My guardian druid can almost out dps it with defensive trinkets and 10 ilvl below

[cerulean tusk]

As long warrior is more tanky, then it can do less DPS to compensate. Kind of how I feel BDK should do the least amount of DPS, as they do not require any healer interaction.

So if druid can tank equally big as warrior, and do more DPS there is a problem. That is what I am seeing happening
Edit:mob-autocorrection fixes

[sick sentinel]

BDK does damage 🙂

[sick sentinel]

get rokmora's shard (bad but still better than this) or talisman of the cragshaper (good, has a lower cd and better absorb)|| the reason im including rokmora trinket is because both drop for protection loot (something you don't normally do), from the same dungeon, making it kinda 50/50 if you get one or the other. Do NOT take rokmora from a vault unless you are really desperate.||

seems like for me, you get the shard first then you get the talisman much later, was my experience for champion track and is proving to be that way for hero track as well

[dusky canopy]

This guy doesn’t do 140k overalls

[kind urchin]

I don't know, I do pretty good damage on my warrior.

[toxic pewter]

me do big dam

[dusky canopy]

Yeah warrior owns a lot of players don’t realize that you press all buttons on cd as much as possible (logically ofc) and there damage suffers from it

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

that me

[vocal verge]

Idk why people keep bashing prot warrior dps. Their aoe is really good. I’ve seen 169k overall in a 22 bh. That’s with an aug but almost every key has an Aug these days anyways.

[sick sentinel]

nice

[torn gulch]

you can pull 120-130 in a BH without aug buffs
prot warrior dps is serviceable

[sick sentinel]

I do that on bdk

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LfjbxFNK1pYmWkwM/#fight=last

i ran this key about an hour ago

and on the 2nd pull i died to im really not sure, and i got called out on it and the excuse i threw out was that i thought i had got hit in the back and offered up that it was our big weakness

[toxic pewter]

i think the hulk took u out, piercing shards, heavy magic damage

[sick sentinel]

Piercing shards HURTS so much 😦 Have to spell reflect it

[uneven mason]

Have to more than that

[dusky canopy]

@toxic pewter 47 minutes 😄

[toxic pewter]

wat 47 min

[dusky canopy]

invite LUL

[toxic pewter]

oh to get into a group?

[dusky canopy]

yer

[toxic pewter]

yeah its pretty awful..

Like I have all keys timed up until the group I apply to and they just let me sit there

[dusky canopy]

Hope they nerf the god comp more tbh

[toxic pewter]

yeah me too

[daring marlin]

👀

The nerfs aren't even felt yet

[dusky canopy]

i know but the speculation is it changes nothing

[daring marlin]

Maybe not for spriest

fire mage can be slotted out

aug is aug lmao

[dusky canopy]

im honestly just an aug hater

lmao

[toxic pewter]

into the ground I say

[daring marlin]

should hate spriest most frankly

They've been on top for months now

[toxic pewter]

nerf them all into the ground, worst state of the game in all of wow history occurring right now

[daring marlin]

bruh

[sick sentinel]

not mine

[toxic pewter]

nothing is going to change, we got people waiting hours for an invite. its awful, awkward, and off-putting

[dusky canopy]

Nah I don't think they should be non existent but like could definitely level the playing field more..

[sick sentinel]

people are jealous

oh well

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-noose-gif-25245573

Me after hearing this

[dusky canopy]

Except griff

[chilly brook]

[dusky canopy]

we like griff

[blazing condor]

stay

[dusky canopy]

nah nah

[chilly brook]

I’m an equal opportunity aug boi

[dusky canopy]

griff owns

[chilly brook]

I just take whatever comes to my keys that aren’t bad players from the information given to me

[daring marlin]

It's not limited to getting invites btw.

[chilly brook]

Shadow priests? Nah

[dusky canopy]

yeah aug itself and the people who play it are not an issue, what blows about it is it hard locks the 3rd dps slot in all keys

thats what i do not like about support spec so far

[chilly brook]

Idk kinda expected tbh

[daring marlin]

I was sitting with my key listed and nothing but trash apping for an extended period of time.

More people will try pushing near season end.

Usually what happens

[chilly brook]

Also here’s the thing no matter how you build the key something is almost always locked into a specific slot

[daring marlin]

I legit had 2 augvokers queue up for my keys

22-23 range

And they were like 2200

Over HOURS.

[chilly brook]

For example you take a non shaman healer you have to take one of a hunter/mage/shaman for lust

At least aug you’re always filling that lust spot and bringing some nice utility on top of it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic pewter]

when balance is this bad, people cannot literally play the game, meanwhile df's only content literally is m+ at this point. so we got people cannot even pug because this meta is so punishing to people that simply want to play the game

[chilly brook]

Balance isn’t “bad”

[dusky canopy]

this is what is shit

no like

[toxic pewter]

people cannot.. play the game..

[chilly brook]

We’ve had worse balance tbh

[toxic pewter]

this is bad

[chilly brook]

And it wasn’t this experience

[daring marlin]

This is pretty cringe lads

[chilly brook]

I don’t think that has anything to do with dps balance

[daring marlin]

That would just say +22 lust instead

[chilly brook]

If I’m being honest I think the problem has to do with healers just not wanting to do keys

[daring marlin]

Also you can tell apb doesn't dps keys

[toxic pewter]

? people want to play DF literal only content and they can't as community perception due to poor balance is at an all time high..

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I agree with this take its not all bad

[daring marlin]

Do a search during s1

in arms and fury

It's the same fucking shit

[dusky canopy]

just would be nice if if they didnt screw the majority of dps specs some how

[chilly brook]

Because this experience was actually pretty similar before 10.1.5

I was listing keys and taking years to get healers

[daring marlin]

YEP

[chilly brook]

Same experience

[toxic pewter]

yeah try playing a holy priest or resto druid right now

gl

this is the most oppressive it has ever been currently

it is awkward you cannot simply just acknowledge this

[daring marlin]

unwarranted hyperbole

[chilly brook]

Wut

[dusky canopy]

Don't mind me this is just my usual weekend rant becuase i spend all day waiting for invites instead of playing the game 😄

is what it is

[chilly brook]

Are you suddenly agreeing with me or are you trying to say you can’t do keys as holy or resto?

[daring marlin]

I'd tell you to list your own key but it's the same shit

[chilly brook]

Because the healer shortage is pretty bad that as long as someone isn’t garbage io I’d take them over waiting 40 minutes for a paladin

[daring marlin]

SAME BRO

[dusky canopy]

Exactly that doesnt even fix the problem is my point

[daring marlin]

AND I HAVE

[dusky canopy]

people see im not playing a meta spec

and they just avoid the key all together

[daring marlin]

How could you know that?

You're assuming a lot there.

[dusky canopy]

I do not know for a fact

But its fair to say its a safe assumption

when your key is listed for 20 minutes with no ques

and then you look at other groups in que

and its got memebers*

[chilly brook]

Eh, I mean depends

People might not need the key or that specific level

[dusky canopy]

yeah thats fair once your key bricks below like 22 goodluck filling it LOL...

[chilly brook]

Keys are just super finicky this season

Still legit think it’s mostly down to healer/key interaction

[daring marlin]

I managed to get a 3300 bear to join my 20 Neltharus after it got knocked down from a 23 because of absolute idiots

I think he was practicing pulls

[dusky canopy]

oh yeah guil it definitely does happen i know that

[daring marlin]

Would've been an ez 2 chest but the Warlock was genuinely garbage

[chilly brook]

Isn’t that an experience?

[main smelt]

For some classes it does on raid bosses

[daring marlin]

Like half my damage as ret

[chilly brook]

Had one almost brick my 20 VP

[main smelt]

This item is very bugged

[chilly brook]

Literally was having to rescue him into and out of the grounding pyramid

[dusky canopy]

YO off topic but I legit just had my first ever undr this season where tank pulled the ticks on first pull intentionally lul..

in a 23

[daring marlin]

I'm gonna gear my warlock

[chilly brook]

Man apparently couldn’t figure out when to be in and when to be out

[daring marlin]

I have a sneaking suspicion destro is gonna be giga broken next season

[sick sentinel]

affli

dots for days

[chilly brook]

Aff meta

[dusky canopy]

Destro kinda owns

[daring marlin]

gross

[chilly brook]

[dusky canopy]

im big fan of demo though

[chilly brook]

I do actually enjoy aff

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure affli mastery is increase dot dmgs

[chilly brook]

But I doubt it’ll ever be meta in keys

[sick sentinel]

that shit would be nuts on tyranical

[dusky canopy]

I liked legion affi alot

[chilly brook]

Aff hasn’t been like giga in keys since like legion pretty sure

[dusky canopy]

i actually played that spec at the time

casually ofc but ye

it was fun!

[sick sentinel]

well, its usually in a weird spot best for raids isnt it

[chilly brook]

No lol

[dusky canopy]

it was really good in nyalotha i think? but destro was just better

[chilly brook]

Aff hasn’t been best for raids in a long long time

[uneven mason]

Cataclysm

[chilly brook]

Not that long

[uneven mason]

Lonnnng time

[sick sentinel]

afflicition has alot of interesting spells

i will say that

[chilly brook]

Aff was like best in bfa up until Nyalotha iirc

Then the demo meta

[sick sentinel]

isn't demonology the forever pepega spec

[chilly brook]

Well outside of CN

[dusky canopy]

@toxic pewter

current wait time for key 2 today

[sick sentinel]

like for keys, obviously, it was worst

[toxic pewter]

[chilly brook]

Demo has been pretty good for keys ironically

[sick sentinel]

having excess pets run around aggro more stuff

[dusky canopy]

yeah griff

tottally

the lock in my guild plays demo

and she owns in keys

[sick sentinel]

it's, not good in a pug, is what it is

[chilly brook]

Ehhhh not really the case

You just have to have a non pepega player

[sick sentinel]

i don't typically see any demonlogy locks in my keys like ever any more

put it that way

[chilly brook]

The problem with demo is it’s kinda awkward at least imho

[sick sentinel]

imps is cool

[chilly brook]

Or at least it was in SL when I played it

I haven’t touched it in DF

[daring marlin]

I'd be playing destro now

But the current tier is cringe

[dusky canopy]

Destro is sick thats what i usually play when i fool around on lock

[chilly brook]

Chaos bolt the class

[dusky canopy]

def gotta have the green fire

[sick sentinel]

ooohh boy

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-wtf-monkey-gasp-monkey-gif-22578374

[sick sentinel]

thats a might fine take

[dusky canopy]

bro wtf?

[sick sentinel]

super duper take even

#protection @sick sentinel

[dusky canopy]

snoll posting racist shit up in here?

[blazing condor]

<@&257983573498265600> any modders

[dusky canopy]

<@&257983573498265600>

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[dusky canopy]

this guy

lmfao

[sick sentinel]

oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[chilly brook]

Man is speedrunning ban

[sick sentinel]

here weeeeeeeee gooo

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[chilly brook]

[dusky canopy]

what in the actual?

lmfao

[sick sentinel]

dude was legit I REGRET NOTHING - postal dude

[blazing dune]

Whats wrong w people lol

[dusky canopy]

it amazes me people are actually that stupid

[chilly brook]

Seems like he was just doing it for entertainment tbh

[dusky canopy]

right that person wanted the attention

[sick sentinel]

well

[sick sentinel]

he sure got it

thats enough chatterino for me for an hour or 2, i need a touch grass irl wow break

[pallid quiver]

I missed it; was it at least conpletely unhinged or was it "lol look at me i can copy-paste 4chan"

[sick sentinel]

ya, ,exactly the stuff u'd think it'd be

[dusky canopy]

Yes it was completely unhinged racism

like not even remotely disguised

complete tool

[pallid quiver]

Sounds more like the latter

[sick sentinel]

he's been through that rigamarole before though too

and he may come back and attempt it again, if you note he had newcomer badge on his account meaning he probably made the account in last 10 minutes

[blazing dune]

Was a 19 hr old acc

[sick sentinel]

theres probablyt a 12 hour hold or somethin

what a looney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qz1GMpOtUY

[dusky canopy]

Sometimes FOTM just isnt for you

[sly shadow]

just recrafted my shield from 420 to 447 🥰

[daring marlin]

sick

[toxic pewter]

that me

[lusty tiger]

Unlikely

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[lusty tiger]

?

[sick sentinel]

bdk?

oh, arms

[toxic pewter]

u want go

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-at-me-bro-family-matters-jaleel-white-gif-7190421

[toxic pewter]

that me

did I dooo that

[lusty tiger]

[sudden palm]

What do you guys use spell block on Sark's mythic?

Progressing it and not sure what should be spell blocked

[jagged pier]

the tank mechanic

[sudden palm]

Makes sense lol

[jagged pier]

only dot in the game it blocks

[dull relic]

this looks like it’s a +16 or something no?

[dusky canopy]

No it was 21 NL without an Aug

[sick sentinel]

dream surge seems cool

[dusky canopy]

My damage wasn’t the best in that run either I was more or less pointing out fotm below me lmao

We ++ the key though

[sick sentinel]

some wow related yt video commenter

[dull relic]

real

[sick sentinel]

i got 23

[torpid fiber]

what would be a good talent to drop for titanic throw?

[strong forum]

pain and gain/bounding stride/overwhelming rage

[sick sentinel]

probably bounding id say

[toxic pewter]

do you guys actually run titanic throw

am I being a bad guy for not taking it.. O_O

never even crossed my mind all week, lmao

[sick sentinel]

i don't

i tried it once while leveling dwarf warrior in WCM

[hazy bronze]

I like it for things like tree boss is brackenhide. Helps pick up all the ads

[sick sentinel]

we got to the room with the feast boss and i pressed it once and it auto targeted him starting the fight aggroing everything and wiping us

immedateily after that dungeon, i took it off and never ever put it on again

[proper roost]

people should be close to u for treemouth

and you can just run over and tc them as they spawn

[sick sentinel]

except for one WQ where u have to knock beehives out of trees

[toxic pewter]

oops lmao i meant shattering throw..

i was using the ability the guy mentioned when he asked his question

[sick sentinel]

its good when its good, but in open ended pull dungeons its a total disaster

might as well have dual hunter pets running around

vault is filled

[fringe fjord]

where can i copy paste a simple pvp prot import

preferably rbg setup

double leap

[south zealot]

no clue this is pretty much exclusively pve

[jagged pier]

i dont think we get double leap

that was a lego fro us

we dont have the pvp talent for it

[jagged gust]

I miss double leap

[fringe fjord]

ah that sucks :/

i remember that

haven't played prot

[jagged pier]

we have dragon charge

[fringe fjord]

what's that do

[jagged pier]

its bad

[fringe fjord]

I was in the mood for rbgs

running fast

lol

[jagged pier]

its a charge that doesnt need a target

[toxic pewter]

Charges forward and knocks people back

[jagged pier]

but we have a lot better talents

[fringe fjord]

is there any fun/fast/troll type builds for rbgs?

[jagged pier]

thats a question for #pvp

[fringe fjord]

i remember this prot who would 2-3x jump the whole map

so fast

[toxic pewter]

dragon charge is fun in eye of the storm

In the middle flag area

[fringe fjord]

lol

[toxic pewter]

Just charge and all get knocked back and hopefully off the map

Should let us take dragon charge in pve lol

It’s a fun ability

[jagged pier]

just be highmountain

literal same thing without the damage

well not quite

but close enough

[sick sentinel]

how is that CC classed

i guess its the same as whatever ring of peace does

[warm plinth]

which CC

[jagged pier]

hes asking about he knockdown

from HT

[warm plinth]

Oh, I'm pretty sure it's classed as a stun

[sick sentinel]

ya, i probably wont upload the log, but i tried a 19 fh

it went very south

i like this meme, probably applies to me

[south zealot]

last minute is a full key ahead of echo

holy moly

chad as fuck

[south zealot]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPBURUUUkQVARpFRRBENVUVEVBVFVYVUQCFA

weird to drop battering ram for spell block hmm

and running forgestorm

https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageTangentialSandpiperKippa-oSJIKlOr5DzQX9xj

[modern gazelle]

Any WA people generally use for Zskarn?

Thankfully I’ll be tanking boss not on bombs now lol

[lusty grotto]

You know it's likely that it could have been a critter but also the warden getting flagged as hittable by running it inside the right area

Which is interesting

[south zealot]

drogoh confirmed it wasnt a critter

the chains just work on wardens

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

I mean I've done that pull in live an the chains def didn't hit them, but this was before the chain changes

As in tripping them over, without any other mobs

That same exact pack only too

[south zealot]

yeah idk they fucked with the chains

[lusty grotto]

im thinking it was the flagging thing

[sick sentinel]

shit

[lusty grotto]

this forgemaster

from andy's team

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkBMAHUkibY

TGP

[lusty grotto]

holy christ

oh no

[sick sentinel]

IS HARPOONERING

consequences will never be the same

[lusty grotto]

dang

[south zealot]

that was sad

[lusty grotto]

rip andys team 😦

man idk if they pulled that off

[south zealot]

all 3 deserve to go to finals

that was fucking wild

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

that would have been a forgemaster to remember

if it happened

[strong forum]

woulda been insane

[lusty grotto]

yeah absolutely

[strong forum]

if they were fast enough and push out echo

[lusty grotto]

man next weekend is gonna be wild

shit this weekend was wild itself

[sick sentinel]

there is another weekend of this

[south zealot]

the reflect is so much easier than they are saying it is lol

[sick sentinel]

i wasnt sure

[south zealot]

no need for a weakaura or anything

[lusty grotto]

yeah tettles doest know we had stormbolt/SC for grub stops

a bit back

[south zealot]

think max said that naowh probably got meeres to make a reflect weakaura

[sick sentinel]

we cant int shout the grub can

[south zealot]

which isnt entirely impossible its just not needed since the boss has a weakaura for you anyway

[sick sentinel]

never tried it

[lusty grotto]

no yogi

[sick sentinel]

run that dungeon about 100 times

never once tried that

[lusty grotto]

they arent fearable

[sullen valve]

Warriors

[lusty grotto]

only stunnable

or hard cc

[sullen valve]

Baseline Ravager only can generate 60 rage per cast
But with storm of steel... it generates 120 per cast?
Dance of Death makes it generate 70 per cast?

Assuming all hits hit

[south zealot]

not sure bc i dont use either of those talents in any situation

[lusty grotto]

sup abelito

[south zealot]

cant answer, sorry

[lusty grotto]

nome is around

@strong forum abelito requires assistance

[south zealot]

gg echo wins holy

[sullen valve]

I should rephrase the question in general

Ravager baseline = 10 rage per hit with 6 hits
Storm of Steel = 20 rage per hit with 6 hits
Dance of Death = 10 rage per hit with 7 hits

Does ravager's hit rate scale with haste

IE
50% haste = ravager hits every 1.5 second
100% haste = ravager hits every second

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i dont think it does?

but feelcrafty

gotta test

[sullen valve]

Glancing at a log, it seems very static

guy has like 4k haste + lust
Still 6 hits

But the hits are every 1.2 seconds

I wonder if this is like consecration where you don't get partial ticks meaning you need 100% haste in order to get an extra hit

wait a minute

I just gaslit myself

1.2 seconds would get you 10 hits in a 12 second window but this log only shows 6 hits still... which means that TOTAL DURATION as well as hit rate scales neutrally with haste
Meaning you get 6 no matter what

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[sullen valve]

This guy could also just suck and the boss could have moved... but I doubt that

[lusty grotto]

which boss it it?

kazz?

i would say kazz is probably the more stationary one

the others can move a bit depending on mech

[sullen valve]

Rashok

[lusty grotto]

yea....

rashok might not be the best example

[sullen valve]

Whenever I do wowA stuff I test off rashok since... its a boss you actually need HPS for

[lusty grotto]

unless hes doing it on the energy clear

i can probably help out a bit on the dummies by removing all haste

just naked dorf it

[sullen valve]

dorf is one of the few acceptable races

[lusty grotto]

i have drums too so can test wish.com lust

[sullen valve]

😢

I need to level a warrior

🙏 Just lmk what happens and I can fill in this fun Ravager module

[south zealot]

i have a warrior i just dont have a brain

[proper roost]

Ye probably easier off asking things like this to moo

Big ol sim nerds question since in actual practice this doesnt affect people to know

[strong forum]

dance of death does not give a 7th hit

🙂

[sullen valve]

wtf does it do then

[strong forum]

20% more damej

(its terrible)

and so is storm of steel

and ravager does not scale with haste iirc

[sullen valve]

wait wtf

when you say scale with haste
you mean in a meaningful way correct?

[strong forum]

i mean it doesnt go faster

it just ticks once every second

[sullen valve]

WHAT

This log would make me think otherwise

[strong forum]

aight

then its just very much not noticable

[sullen valve]

I think durationalso scale with it

So its a net neutral

[strong forum]

yeah but also

theres a bug with ravager, if you send it outside of melee range, it only ticks 5 times

even with dance of death iirc

dance of death is just garbage trash

[proper roost]

wait WHAT

[sullen valve]

Why does it extend by 2 seconds
If it doesn't give an extra hit

[strong forum]

it just spins but doesnt hit

very cool talent

[proper roost]

have i been losing a ton of extra dps as fury

[strong forum]

i cant confirm that for fury

only for prot

[sullen valve]

I'll get that fixed for prot

[strong forum]

has been reported multiple times

since beta

directly

[sullen valve]

But you see
You're not me

[lusty grotto]

tc range is another thing that needs to be fixed

[strong forum]

good luck

tc and demo shout range is also shorter than advertised

by 2yd for each

[sullen valve]

bc let me tell you

I am that guy

[strong forum]

best of luck

[south zealot]

i can confirm for fury

[lusty grotto]

lol

[south zealot]

u need to be in melee range when u drop it

[strong forum]

dance of death also doesnt grant an additional tick for fury?

[south zealot]

fury doesnt have dance of death

only storm of steel

[strong forum]

ah

[sullen valve]

But to recap

If cast in melee, Ravager is 6 hits
If cast at ranged, Ravager is 5 hits
Ravager always 6 hits
Haste doesn't matter
Dance of Depression doesn't do anything for hit count

[lusty grotto]

lul

dance of depression

[strong forum]

ye

[sullen valve]

I'll try to get both fixed

Where ranged is losing a hit and depression is bad

[strong forum]

and it literally cant get good cuz you can only give up infinitely better talents

[sullen valve]

Personally,
I just want things to work correctly... don't really care about power

[warm plinth]

Abe for president

[south zealot]

9 ilvls on bracers + leech or socket

[strong forum]

ilvl

[south zealot]

ok

it was simming as downgrade for dps spec wazs too lazy to sim prot

[urban portal]

do we know if haste is making it hit harder?

or does haste just not affect ravager AT ALL

[sullen valve]

Haste is neutral

[urban portal]

so its 6 ticks but over shorter duration with haste

the damage itself will be identical

from my understanding?

[sullen valve]

From looking at logs
Haste affects Ravager, but not in a really helpful way

0 haste = 2 seconds between damage events, lasts 12 seconds
100 haste = 1 seconds between damage events, lasts 6 seconds

Yeah

[urban portal]

ok so its like eye beam

got it

thats a weird implementation

[sullen valve]

tick speed = 2 / (1 + haste)
duration = 12 / (1 + haste)

[urban portal]

usually that happens with channeled spells

so haste doesnt increase DPE but increases DPET so you can spend time doing other stuff

but ravager is just another gcd

[sullen valve]

da fuck is a DPE and DPET

I only know HPS, HPM, and HPCT

[lusty grotto]

jesus fuck people are really salty lol

[toxic pewter]

I stand with that individual

[sullen valve]

BUFF BEAR!!!

[lusty grotto]

i mean its been the same shaman for 2 days straight

thats a bit extreme

[sullen valve]

Druid needs to be the best spec

[south zealot]

its funny when they tell people to get a life

[lusty grotto]

abelito y u baitin

[toxic pewter]

What his name gonna ask if I can join his guild

[sullen valve]

Because its really funny to me
Healers hate resto druids
Tanks hate bears

[lusty grotto]

i dont hate bear

bear cute

[toxic pewter]

Can you tell blizzard to fix all our other issues too

I got a lot of problems

[sullen valve]

Whenver something is best
people hate it

No. I only fix for wowA

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[south zealot]

wghat is wowa

[lusty grotto]

wow analizer

[sullen valve]

wait do you really not know
or am i being baited

[lusty grotto]

he might not

[south zealot]

oh is that being updated again

[dusky canopy]

Ironic as hell and I love it

I think it’s fair to say we all know what wow analyzer is but not “wowa”

[sullen valve]

Yeah

I'm that guy

[south zealot]

YES UI JUST DIDNBT KNOW WOWA

[sullen valve]

I don't think its fair people don't know everything about me

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sullen valve]

Well. We are updating it again

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

choco wowa dn

[sullen valve]

which is why I'm asking all these stupid questions

[south zealot]

welcome back(?)

[sullen valve]

Especially about dumb talents
I ain't about to make something that later breaks bc a talent gets good
We covering ALL CASES

Mwahi was in my DMs the whole time
I never left

[dusky canopy]

Yo you work on wow analyzer?

[south zealot]

MAKES SENSE

[dusky canopy]

Like fr?

[south zealot]

i hate caps lock

[sullen valve]

fr fr

[lusty grotto]

smh my head brew

[sullen valve]

no cap on god

[toxic pewter]

How long does it take to update a spec

[dusky canopy]

Bro I don’t recognize the name nim lol

[toxic pewter]

Not trying to rush or anything just genuinely curious

[sullen valve]

Depends on a few things

• state the spec was last left in
• how indepths things need to be
• is it a healer

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[sullen valve]

and how shitty are the logs for a specific spec

[toxic pewter]

I see

[sullen valve]

Also just generally how much I understand the spec and game mechanics

[toxic pewter]

I wonder how in-depth prot warr even is

[dusky canopy]

BRO @lusty grotto check it

Had some banger taco truck

[toxic pewter]

That’s a nice lookin plate dang

[sullen valve]

For instances
This is a graph that shows the distances between you and the targets you heal with Light of Dawn for holy paladin

Which made me learn about distances in log events so it took some time

But this will never be needed for something like prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[sullen valve]

I've been working with Mwahi (he tells me at a high level what needs to get done)

Also bro.. how you gonna post that plate but not get me one

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[sullen valve]

The range of its done also is weird for wowA

I'm big into statistics so apart of me is like its not done till i get all the stats out but in all reality I just need to get a checklist out for gameplay

[lusty grotto]

lmao this guy responding

[toxic pewter]

LOL

Guy is having a melty

[lusty grotto]

this is a grade-A exchange in group finder lmao

[cerulean tusk]

... is he updating, daily?

[lusty grotto]

i guess the shaman is

but this last guy is a boomy

[cerulean tusk]

... huh.

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes responding to the shaman

i guess

[toxic pewter]

They arguing in group finder basically

[lusty grotto]

ye

[cerulean tusk]

keep us posted tomorrow, see if day 1 starts a war

[lusty grotto]

lol

im playing valdrakken group finder simulator

[cerulean tusk]

Trying to get in as a prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

of course of course

[cerulean tusk]

I will give you a morale boost, my 382 evoker got invited to a 20 PuG

keep at the grind

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[cerulean tusk]

[proper roost]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-kitten-no-touch-speech-bubble-gif-25695629

[toxic pewter]

That me

[cerulean tusk]

That you? You cute

[toxic pewter]

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

how can she slap

[sullen valve]

Y'all think this is a good tooltip for the suggestion

[lusty grotto]

ye

[sullen valve]

ignore damage damage

[hardy snow]

well, thats all this game is about

doing pew pew damage damage

[sullen valve]

I'm a haeler

You should be stacking vers as it provides DR

[lusty grotto]

[sullen valve]

got a weird gap between your eyes

[toxic pewter]

[sullen valve]

If I could use emotes from other servers in here...

it would be over

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

dont test me, i got an arsenal

[sullen valve]

I got 2 BIG emotes

As in... takes multiple emotes to make the actual emote

4 x 6

I saw that

[lusty grotto]

[hardy snow]

now, thats correct

[cerulean tusk]

What if I tell you, crit, haste and mastery also contributes to warrior DR?

[lusty grotto]

the bait has been taken

[sullen valve]

I'll tell you to make youre character take less damage

TANKS TANK
not do damage

find a way to tank better

[cerulean tusk]

what if I do more damage, to take less damage?

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[sullen valve]

Fake nwes

[lusty grotto]

more baits being yeeted

[cerulean tusk]

Furychat is dead

well, I havent tested all options.

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

it dead

[lusty grotto]

🇫

[toxic pewter]

wat every1 doin

kinda wild what has happened to wow.. no one plays over the weekend anymore O_O

[sick sentinel]

imma go scour groups see if i see any

[lusty grotto]

lol hes still at it

[sick sentinel]

no malder groups

[cunning inlet]

havent raided the prot a while. Should I run prot or dps loot spec ?

[sick sentinel]

if u have 447 weapon and shield u may want to swap to arms or fury

depending on the dungeon

arms or fury loot, fury slightly worse if you have 447 weapon cuz it'll add 1 hands to vaults/drops for instance. so you get what you want slower

[silk sandal]

Going to kill m sark on prot warrior this week =D. Pumped

[silk sandal]

And in raid, dps spec for trinkets (assuming crafted shield and not M Nelth)

[toxic pewter]

really wish trial of style had more prizes

found a prot warrior in the wild using gems with +16 haste and another piece with +16 versa.. wtf this guy doing

[undone verge]

Why are protwarriors using SB on sark, all the tank busters are physy

spellblock breath clears maybe?

[toxic pewter]

spell block works against the tank mechanic

burning claws/void claws/void slash

very powerful actually

[undone verge]

wait what? each tick counts as a spell

[kind urchin]

Doesn't it even on this rare occasion mitigate the dot as well?

[toxic pewter]

yeah the dot from each attack on each phase

spell block mitigates all that on sark

can basically spell block all the mechanics

[undone verge]

wild

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, in order to help make Prot War actually decent on the fight, it's one of the few magic dots in the game spell block actually works on

It's actually the only one that I'm personally aware of

[undone verge]

make it work on experiments and zskarn as well then blizz

[uneven mason]

Hey now, can't have warriors be above mediocre.

[undone verge]

we're mediocre?

[south zealot]

prot warrior was in every boss last tier i think lol

[uneven mason]

Say it louder

[south zealot]

prot warrior was in every boss last tier i think lol

[uneven mason]

Not u

[south zealot]

why not me

[toxic pewter]

I am very strong individual

some say powerful

[toxic pewter]

that me

[keen epoch]

everyone tells me prot warrior is paying for its time in bfa

but i started playing in shadowlands D:

[toxic pewter]

wat you mean paying? I am owning over here

Did you not just see what I typed?

[keen epoch]

i didnt say me

[uneven mason]

Wat? We paid for s2 onward in bfa by being an absolute nightmare to play in 8.0

[toxic pewter]

yeah those people I crush

[keen epoch]

idrc how good they are they're fun

[uneven mason]

Like 8.0 we prepaid for at least 5 seasons of being meta

[keen epoch]

and its not my main so i really dont care how good it is 🙂

[toxic pewter]

I am always meta

[uneven mason]

IP on the gcd

That's like, a life debt

Current baseline pwar almost the best we've ever been, this just happens to be the case for legitimately all the tanks but for bdk, and even they're stronk, just not bigbdamo

Although that might've changed idk

[keen epoch]

i love how durable i feel on warr

on vdh and bear i still dont feel like im gonna die but i just like seeing my health not bounce so much

[uneven mason]

That's the different tank methodology

Vdh is big yoyo

Although bear shouldn't be

[keen epoch]

yeah bear not so much mostly just vdh

[uneven mason]

I've been forcing myself to not panic on the vdh and bdk

[keen epoch]

moreso in 10.1 because i wasn't rockin like Ursoc's shields and stuff and had more into FR cdr and stuff

[undone verge]

we were def tankier S4 SL

prob the tankiest weve been in a .2 patch tho

[keen epoch]

s4 was so fun

i was a total necro enjoyer

warrior next support spec? banners and yelling

[toxic pewter]

I love watching a vdh jump in and just die immediately

[keen epoch]

now that's iconic

[toxic pewter]

Someone should make a video compilation of it happening

Will laugh my ass off

[uneven mason]

Baseline so without, tier, covenant, Lego...

[south zealot]

no shit dude

[undone verge]

well all our borrowed power this tier is in talent tree

you have like 3 leggo powers talented

[south zealot]

theres been severe borrowed power for a decade

now its all just in the talents so its not really borrowed now

[uneven mason]

TFW they don't bank fury for devastation on engage

[toxic pewter]

XD

[undone verge]

veng dont even leap in, they just walk in with sigil of flame

and they kite around to stagger melee

[uneven mason]

It's like in the guardian "why do I die when I charge" because you have nothing to get if up

[south zealot]

its been doing very well since s3 of shadowlands

[toxic pewter]

I’m glad we are pretty strong at the start of pulls

[undone verge]

S1 and S2 of shadowlands was a fever dream

[lusty grotto]

i dont agree with "we were tankiest in s4 SL"

we didnt have spell block

and we didnt have 3x BoM

situationally maybe

[lusty grotto]

hell outside of DF our magic mit was basically non existent

no SR DR because it would just fade on the first reflect

which is a big change

having SR last for the entire duration was big

and is

[uneven mason]

That feeling when a random instant cast ate your Sr so the buster could chunk the fuck outta you

[lusty grotto]

yeah

like if KR comes around now

zul will be a completely different story

[south zealot]

shadow of zul wont be spell blockable

[lusty grotto]

SR lasting that entire time AND spell block

[south zealot]

[uneven mason]

"I think you wanted to reflect this slow debuffs and not that boss ability that hits for 125% of your health"

[lusty grotto]

lol that'd be some nasty trolling by blizzard if it happens

[uneven mason]

You shut your whore mouth

It'll be block able

[south zealot]

cope

[toxic pewter]

Really wish blizzard would just make spell block more consistent

Should work against dots and bleeds

😄

[south zealot]

it works against some dots

bleeds arent magic

[uneven mason]

They're consistent on how they pick what's splockable and refkect

[toxic pewter]

I mean brewmasters can stagger bleeds at same level of magic and paladins can reduce damage of bleeds

Should let us do same

[south zealot]

bleeds are not magic

they are not a spell

you cannot reflect it

[uneven mason]

I mean, we can?

[toxic pewter]

I am saying block

Spell block

Or even regular block

[south zealot]

oh i see

[uneven mason]

Ah

[south zealot]

i mean i think bleeds should be blockable

[toxic pewter]

Do some sort of blocking of bleeds even at a lesser amount

[south zealot]

but it is what it is

[toxic pewter]

Like stagger can stagger bleeds at the same rate it staggers magic

[south zealot]

though warrior would have no flaws if that were true

[lusty grotto]

well they could do the BFA treatment where armor reduced bleed dmg

[undone verge]

Makes sense

More armor=less deep cut

[south zealot]

[lusty grotto]

they wont do that though

they like the free money coming from dwarf race changes

😎

[south zealot]

truege

[toxic pewter]

It’s crazy how bleeds hurt us so much though I get it’s our main weakness… but it is extremely noticeable the gap

Like more noticeable than other tank weaknesses even

Which are growing smaller each day

Anyway

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[uneven mason]

What other weaknesses

[lusty grotto]

right now the problem isnt keys

its fights like Zskarn

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I won’t lie determining tank weaknesses these days is a challenge even

[lusty grotto]

that is, when talking specifically of defensiveness

[toxic pewter]

The problem is spell block

[south zealot]

how'

[toxic pewter]

Just doesn’t work where it obviously should

[south zealot]

like what

[toxic pewter]

Like against magic damage

Should block any and all magic damage

Regardless of medium

[lusty grotto]

it should be more in line with holy shield

if anything

[uneven mason]

Replace brutal vitality with a talent that causes ignore pain to be 45% more effective at absorbing dot damage

[south zealot]

that wont do anything

dot damage already eats through ignore pain

[undone verge]

45% is pretty huge tho considering its like our only defense on magic dmg

besides major cds

[uneven mason]

Just dots, meaning 72.5% absorbed rather than 50%

You'd have to pump IP for it to make a difference

It's not like we're suffering for mitigation tools though

[south zealot]

that literally doesnt change anything though

[toxic pewter]

Ignore pain suks ass

[uneven mason]

So, having more damage reduction available for dots wouldn't change that we're weaker vs dots?

[south zealot]

its not more damage reduction

[lusty grotto]

it is more dmg reduction, i just wouldn't tie to IP

because there's not a lot of scenarios where IP is being rotted away by just dot

but then again

we have IP up consistently given our rage intake

it really depends on the scenario

on raids i just wouldn't see how it would help on a bomb runner in zskarn for example

cause no rage

but the dmg is exclusively a dot

as main tank, it COULD help

[uneven mason]

Yeah bombs are a giant pain point for pwar

[toxic pewter]

We are mdi tanks now

We are powerful

Surprised more people aren’t coming in here asking starter questions

[lusty grotto]

as it stands right now the logical choice would be to tie the dot chance from Holy Shield to spell block on magic dots, leave bleeds as it is and reduce the amount of bleeds per content

like right now bleeds arent really a problem

theres 2 notable ones

that's it

[toxic pewter]

Not a problem if you’re dwarf

[lusty grotto]

evokers exist

[toxic pewter]

But yeah they’re not really a problem that’s true

[lusty grotto]

bleeds WERE a problem in s1 simply because of Crawg

Crawth

whatever the fuck that dumb bird's name is

[toxic pewter]

Yea

[undone verge]

Uldaman is a problem

[uneven mason]

Savage prick

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

uldaman isnt a problem

at all

sorry, it just isnt

[undone verge]

those bleeds are entirely a problem if you arent a dwarf

[lusty grotto]

there's way around it

cauterize exists

[toxic pewter]

Yeah you can kite them out too

[uneven mason]

Backpedaling

[lusty grotto]

hamstring exists

bop exists

[south zealot]

i think uldaman CAN be a problem

but its not since its avoidable

just if u make a mistake its a problem

[toxic pewter]

Can even skip the first 3 pack yeah with certain classes in party

[south zealot]

crawth just hit u every tim eu couldnt avoid it

[undone verge]

if the solution is to kite below a 25 its definitely a problem, the kiting meta is entirely stupid asf

[uneven mason]

It's not kiting meta

[lusty grotto]

basilisks make up for the first 3 pulls lmao

thats it

[uneven mason]

It's literally how you deal with the specific mechanic

[toxic pewter]

2 basilisks a lot easier than three though. That third one seems to really just make it a lot more f difficult in my opinion

[lusty grotto]

just pull all 4 and cauterize/bop/dwarf

you WILL have an augy

so use their talents

even with the nerfs this tuesday

you WILL have one

[uneven mason]

Some myopic shit there

"Don't stand in range of shit that can fuck me up? Screw you! I'm no dh!"

[lusty grotto]

im the most facetanker of everyone in my group, ask Kajota they fucking cry about it all the time when we do keys

[uneven mason]

Literally if they added a "cone" graphic to the bleed we wouldn't even have this conversation

[lusty grotto]

but even i know its entirely solvable

[toxic pewter]

Do you think they might nerf spell reflect

It’s getting a lot of attention

[lusty grotto]

unlikely

it has gotten more attention than that in the past

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[lusty grotto]

but admittedly, getting picked simply because of SR is a problem by itself

that just signals to blizz that SR is our class identity utility

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s kinda awkward to just be reduced to a single ability

[uneven mason]

Iirc last time war was used in tgp they watched sense basically one shot a boss with it and just got confused about maldraxxus flag buffs

[lusty grotto]

and they wouldnt be wrong about it being a class identity utility either

[south zealot]

the last time it was in tgp sense played it in iron docks for lower keystone levels

iirc he switched to bdk at higher keys

[uneven mason]

It's the only thing the other tanks can find to complain about warrior

[undone verge]

bdk is so braindead

[lusty grotto]

the problem will be when they decide to nerf our dmg due to SR... like what theyre doing to SP

which is a wrong approach on their part

[uneven mason]

Yeah isn't there a cast on final boss there that does ludicrous damage

[lusty grotto]

absolutely fucking idiotic balancing

[south zealot]

in upper karazahn yeah

not in iron docks

[undone verge]

if theres a question about needing to swap to a dps or healer specifically for a pwar, the answer is replace the pwar with a bdk

upper kara was SR heaven

[south zealot]

what

[undone verge]

its so easy

[south zealot]

are any of the tanks hars

hard

[uneven mason]

All the tanks are easy atm

[lusty grotto]

not really no

[uneven mason]

Bdk is probably biggest brain

[lusty grotto]

brew just has button bloat, but they aren't really hard

[south zealot]

brew is the hardest but its not that hard

[uneven mason]

But it's like what's 4+4 rather than what's 2+2

[south zealot]

just as nim said a lot of buttons

[uneven mason]

27 hotkeys at minimum

That's some fucked design

[toxic pewter]

We have a lot of buttons also realized lately when trying to find a keybind for shattering throw

Like where the fuck am I gonna put this thing

[south zealot]

ctrl g

same button as wrecking throw

[undone verge]

ctrl q

[south zealot]

wait thats my dps keybind

[toxic pewter]

Lol that works

[south zealot]

alt f

[toxic pewter]

I think I did alt c

[south zealot]

ctrl g is shield wall

[toxic pewter]

Do you guys actually run shattering throw this week

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone verge]

In pugs

[south zealot]

no

[toxic pewter]

I dont either

[south zealot]

these are my keybinds