i think you meant to say "if motw didn't matter, they would pick chaos brand"
#protection
toxic pewter
giving druids motw is actually the most preposterous and ridiculous things blizzard has done in modern day wow history
I will put that on my grave
crude notch
Nome, if it weren't for target dummy shenanigans in S1 SL do you think Bear would've been meta there?
crude notch
ye that's what i thought
strong forum
people just slept on it
until cardboard assassin nerf and someone unzipping bear on TGP
crude notch
Then Andy almost singlehandedly made S2 a non-bear meta too.
strong forum
and also andy casually pushed to r6 world on pwar in sl s1 when people said it was absolutely dogshit unplayable
crude notch
and also andy casually pushed to r6 world on pwar in sl s1 when people said it w...
I noticed that yesterday looking back
I was like wtf
strong forum
game hard btw
sick sentinel
How to kill boss?
chilly brook
How to kill boss?
Reduce its health to 0 while keeping yours above 0
sick sentinel
Reduce its health to 0 while keeping yours above 0
But boss hurt
chilly brook
Just don’t die 4head
south zealot
nomer is better than me i use ip too much
proper roost
oh ok so him saying its average
is actually a gigantic humblebrag
or
wait is that a neg
proper roost
press dn idiot
south zealot
holy moly whats dn
proper roost
dreroll nbear
south zealot
:/
proper roost
😏
hardy snow
its funny how old items scales up with some numbers 😄
crude notch
yo giga haste
chilly brook
Next set datamined ez clap
dusky canopy
Imagine a world where we could use old set bonuses
crude notch
wtf how much is 2k dodge?
chilly brook
A lot
sick sentinel
Vers > crit > mastery = haste 
chilly brook
wtf how much is 2k dodge?
Worth exactly 1,999+1
dusky canopy
south zealot
wtf how much is 2k dodge?
a shit ton
crude notch
the real question is, would i have enough for defense cap?
chilly brook
final mist
proper roost
people doing keys probably
blazing condor
it doesnt really do anything in practice
but why not
gives min/max people something to cope with at least
dusky canopy
Oh man sim would have to be able to compare our gear with all reforge options per piece
Boat loads of iterations
lusty grotto
i recall having spreadsheets in cata
from EJ
or some bullshit like that
you know what
no
fuck reforging
you guys are weird
blazing condor
sick sentinel
reforging was good because it allowed you to go right to expertise cap and stop
you only go over by 3 points instead of 18
blazing condor
reforging was wasted cus hit and expertise existed
cus you had to always reforge to those stats
hardy snow
warforged gear from legion 
blazing condor
titanforged sockets pog
lusty grotto
you guys smoking some nostalgia crack
smh my head
reforging isnt needed with how quickly gearing is right now
chilly brook
Reforging was good precisely because caps existed and it actually meant that every drop was basically an upgrade as long as it was ilvl
sick sentinel
bring back the REAL paladin bubble, 45 seconds duration on a 60 second CD
crude notch
wtf are you gonna reforge in a world where you can craft specific secondary stats?
blazing condor
more secondaries pog
dusky canopy
The shit dungeon pieces that have one desired stat but not the other
chilly brook
I don’t think reforging would be that useful in todays game
blazing condor
nah agreed
blazing condor
im still in SL
dusky canopy
Or just for the fun of it like hey I want to stack Crit to the roof so I can reforge that way
crude notch
but you wouldn't you weirdo
crude notch
You gonna reforge your crafted crit/haste piece to what?
dusky canopy
Whatever sim tells me of course
toxic pewter
i gonna reforge to those new stats
crude notch
but you crafted specific stats on it
lusty grotto
jesus the takes
sick sentinel
Whatever sim tells me of course
i bow to no computer god
dusky canopy
Bruh y’all got the horse blinders on
It doesn’t need to be used on crafted items with desired stats
But it could be used on pieces that have stats you don’t want
sick sentinel
i have seen the terminator and saviour, and also jhonny 5 for a positive robot spin
crude notch
You're literally just gonna use it on tier pieces
dusky canopy
It’s not like you start with all crafted pieces
sick sentinel
i not trust robot, they kill us
dusky canopy
I mean sure if it’s beneficial
Oh yoo btw
What was the conclusion of the TC testing
crude notch
bringing reforging back would be the most pointless shit ever in the current ecosystem of gear
sick sentinel
what about,
another yogi cracked idea here
you can buy items from the vault dude with the vault things
and then it adds avoidance, leech, or speed
chilly brook
I’m gonna reforge all my plate into leather
Sorry I thought we were having cooked takes
sick sentinel
its just 1 item and you can choose any of the 3 and say it does it on non volcanic socket item slots
toxic pewter
sounds good to me, I support that
lusty grotto
fuck twitch i like 1440p 60fps
lusty grotto
is ok
sick sentinel
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMlHznt5aW/ MHR in 2005
Instagram
tranquil drift
Makes too much sense
proper roost
why do people say classes multiple as if its not just warrior lol
tranquil drift
They don't want to shame us 😔
jagged gust
kitty go boom
jagged gust
sloth taking out the primal tsunami from 45% without a healer is pretty poggers
lusty grotto
yeah
south zealot
eh i mean its a pretty free boss
just takes half a dynasty and good cd usage
dont get one shot and spriest/aug/guardian heals the group up
toxic pewter
That’s me
south zealot
sloth was pretty close to 2 chesting this 29
wouldve put their neltharus back on pace with the 30s being done
sick sentinel
nah, boss wont die in time
south zealot
pretty close
sick sentinel
they got like 20 seconds looks like
south zealot
wouldve
sick sentinel
3 chest = you played the dungeon literal perfect
south zealot
literally 10 seconds off the 2 chest holy
sick sentinel
nobody dies at all
thats really good yo, sloth huge props
oof
huge portion of timer and only at second boss
chilly brook
i just got called old by the mistweavers
gib context
crude notch
dusky canopy
Hello youngin
crude notch
They were discussing Growl's age people were guessing 40 and some others were guessing 25
Then I said he's younger than me and I'm 34.
south zealot
u old mf
chilly brook
u old fr
dusky canopy
U old
lusty grotto
u a baby
lusty grotto
shut up kiddos
daring marlin
lusty grotto
time for ur nap
chilly brook
But I can bench double my body weight so I'm happy
That’s some straight up Kenergy right there
crude notch
But I can bench double my body weight so I'm happy
Basically what it boils down to right. I've never felt old so, we the real winners.
chilly brook
my body is ready
lusty grotto
baldur's gate dn
lusty grotto
did meeix swap bodies with xyronic
chilly brook
baldur's gate dn
Sorry can’t see un
lusty grotto
🙉
south zealot
chilly brook
Time for character creation paralysis
hazy bronze
I'm guessing subcreation
crude notch
What?
south zealot
max made it on stream
warm plinth
BM and BM 🙃
south zealot
not sure if the other gamers on his stream participated in making th elist or not
warm plinth
I assume the 1 point BM is beast mastery
warm plinth
ah
so is the 1 point frost both frost specs or?
Oh nvm there's 2
but which is which lol
south zealot
im pretty sure frost mage is 3 but idk if it was specified
sick sentinel
no, poker is a game of skill imho
warm plinth
If you get the wrong cards, you just need to get better at the game
south zealot
yogi i JUST agreed with you
sick sentinel
there are multiple easy ways to win the game that dont involve table emotions
errant leaf
Wow is a game of skill debate me 🤡
toxic pewter
In poker you don’t play your hand you are playing your opponent
south zealot
ok daniel negreanu
toxic pewter
Like me I am an expert poker player
Everything is poker if you drill down deep enough
sick sentinel
well, its also like knowing, keeping 2 hearts or JQ is a great idea
warm plinth
That's not skill; that's literally remembering a table of probabilities lol
warm plinth
So there aren't probabilities in poker huh
sick sentinel
well, because the entire premise of poker is how fast can you determine your chances to win and play the hand play the players without revealing your shit
it's an option, but its usually stupid
toxic pewter
All the probabilities and odds in the world won’t save you if the other guy knows ur tell
urban portal
why are we debating yogi
daring marlin
Holy shit dude
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> https://twitter.com/laratlarian/status/1687481978126278656...
gaming
strong forum
4 years of early access + official DnD game + word of mouth
crude notch
i had to laugh when someone in peak earlier was asking about it and someone who clearly lacked all knowledge was like "yeah it looks like dnd as a video game"
and i'm like... bc it is.
daring marlin
Larian Studios did Divinity 1 and 2 then got the rights to BG3 because the two prior games were pretty impressive.
I am told it is BG3 month
in my household
lmao
daring marlin
some hefty AoE buffs for ret lmao
crude notch
Were they bad?
toxic pewter
omg ravagaer and thunderous roar buffs hell yeah we got something I will take it
didnt buff spear @daring marlin lol
toxic pewter
lol
daring marlin
this talent is taken by all three specs in certain situations, buff it
that's legit prolly why
toxic pewter
I will take it
but yeah I guess I see your point
can see see a ravager talent SWAP INCOMING?!?!/1
WHOS WITH ME, RAVAGER LIFE BABY
undone verge
buff our st
toxic pewter
how much extra damage does this actually equate to
crude notch
:kappa:
sick sentinel
8 bullet points seems pretty RIP to me
south zealot
holy moly insane prot warrior buffs
crude notch
not even close bud
south zealot
sheeeesh
south zealot
8 bullet points seems pretty RIP to me
according to ppl in my guild its like 10% worse now
when they were ahead by like 30ish%
so i think theyre still fine
sick sentinel
i like hpal meta cuz i dont have to worry about re-rolling dwarve to get rid of poisions and disease
i used to be able to kpotion that
and then before that just potion them, away
sick lance
the hpala nerfs are a little sad tbh ...
You could just carry mindless dmg brains by healing away everything in low keys to gear yourself up (+17) ... even if your gear sucked ...
I guess this is somewhat over now ...
sick sentinel
will be nice to see a new variety of healer
sick lance
yeah ... i played diszi as my first alt ... hpala with 20 i lvl less felt almsot more powerfull ... i like the diszi buff ...
sick lance
yes
sry im german diszi is the short version we use usualy (at least in my circle) ... im sry
Diszi(plin) == disc(ipline)
crude notch
You're fine, I'm dumb
sick sentinel
Well,they might teroll to disc priest
toxic pewter
pretty sure nothing will change lmao
crude notch
Literally nothing changes except what's the highest potential key
sick sentinel
That's supposed to be getting buff and has pi, doesn't have a brez
toxic pewter
i wasnt expecting to get anything so I am happy to some extent
crude notch
If they reroll to disc it'll be because the rework will be crazy stronk
daring marlin
Buffing roar is pepega af
sick lance
im mostly sad about the prot war situation in this season 😦
sick sentinel
People love disc priest
sick sentinel
I suck at it
daring marlin
Historically people hate disc
crude notch
Hmm...
crude notch
Boomie getting closer to fire mage. 🤔
sick sentinel
I find holy more fun because I am not good at priest
toxic pewter
i saw on wowhead 'nothing for balance, again' LOL
every time with those druids.. I tell ya
sick sentinel
So it's the easier of the 2 for me to succeed at
toxic pewter
well to see ret get buffed and arms nothing even fury their tiny crap
daring marlin
completely neglecting the fact that without tier set in the equation arms dick slaps fury
toxic pewter
it is kinda like wat
crude notch
HPal nerfs, Ret buffs, new meta inc.
toxic pewter
the ret stuff is wild to me
sick lance
i dont think the ret buff will change much at the higher end ...
crude notch
ofc not
lusty grotto
Were they bad?
fucking weird aoe wasnt that bad, ST however is super hyper focused
well actually now that i think about it
daring marlin
ret falls into that category of
lusty grotto
chipadin did fall behind in higher keys
crude notch
Nimchipadin on the rise
daring marlin
you either do good ST or good AoE
lusty grotto
its just that ret trees were super duper hyper focused
daring marlin
based on your talent choices
sick lance
the only way ret could get up is increasing the scaling potential ...
lusty grotto
yea guilford
lusty grotto
yeah at the level i run weekly keys i fucking dominate
daring marlin
just weird when arms warriors are like "but what about me"
lusty grotto
but pushing higher, i noticed dmg tends to fall off a bit
daring marlin
but pushing higher, i noticed dmg tends to fall off a bit
for sure
crude notch
yeah cuz the higher you go the more you need both
lusty grotto
hmm arms doesnt go ravager or troar right?
i havent looked at it
i thought troar was taken at least
daring marlin
can't take ravager as arms
odd tree
They take troar
lusty grotto
oh true
daring marlin
so it was just the TR that affects arms
lusty grotto
hmm spriests
see this is what im talking about
they nerfed them to the ground instead of focusing on what makes them needed
i.e. mass dispel and soothe
sick lance
but that would nerf disc and holy too ... and THAT should not bee the goal
crude notch
9 specs buffed, 5 specs nerfed.
Twitter:
WHY NOT BUFF SPECS ALL THEY DO IS NERF
STUFU
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lusty grotto
reducing the number of things affected by mass dispel would work
like not all of them
but enough so that you dont feel an SP is absolutely fucking required
sick lance
this is btw the reason why i think bursting is a stupid affix ...
lusty grotto
remove mind control from incorp, bursting, the numerous debuffs that can be MD'd, etc
shackle should be more than enough
soothe is fine but would be more in line with shrouds
if MD is addressed
crude notch
Bursting being dispellable doesn't make priest meta, It's HoI, First Boss NH, etc etc.
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
im not
crude notch
Like bursting was dispellable in SL too
south zealot
yeah u just brought a healer priest bc they were closer to meta/if not actual meta
crude notch
yes there was
south zealot
neltharus had bursting
uneven mason
neltharus had bursting
Probably to discourage chains shenanigans
south zealot
thats most certainly not the reason
crude notch
PI is 99.9% of the reason we've had some form of a priest meta the last 4 of 6 seasons.
south zealot
hpriest having faeries and pi was wild
crude notch
that was great design
south zealot
ontop of actually being able to utilize their high damage
lusty grotto
its not just dragons in HoI, and not just Emberon and not just Deios and its trash
its just there's a significant number of things that can be resolved by MD
well yeah PI adds up as well
crude notch
I've seen weirdoes say the same thing about Underrot too
Forgetting that SPriest was no where to be seen in BfA
south zealot
in bfa u always just lost to time right
crude notch
Rhapsody now stacks every 1 second (was 2 seconds) and causes Holy Nova to deal 20% increased damage per stack (was 10%). This change will also affect PvP combat.
Yo I just saw this
lusty grotto
i just dont think they should hav nerfed their damage so hard
all in all they are a dps class
this approach is just wrong
sick sentinel
accurate
crude notch
Are you gonna keep posting it until someone responds?
sick sentinel
did i lmao sry
crude notch
yogi doesn't even know what he's posting anymore, lmao
lusty grotto
yeah well
sick sentinel
i thought i hadnt mb
crude notch
Holy Priest gonna have two nice juiced Holy Novas for each pack now
Instead of 1
400% damage Holy Nova. JUICER
lusty grotto
yeah we'll see how that settles in
sick lance
One solution could be ... create a bomb like consumable with MD effects and a 5 min + cd .... (like drums) ... it "could" reduce the feeled "need"
crude notch
huh
lusty grotto
thats not gonna happen
they have moved away from giving "class identity" on crafted consumables
sick lance
Drums are still out there
lusty grotto
their mindset with these nerfs is just wrong
right but they dont even compare with lust
crude notch
I think it'd be an interesting balance approach to try to force out one spec from the meta by buffing the classes other specs.
Actually
lusty grotto
results will be interesting for sure
crude notch
Ret buffed, HPal nerfed.
Disc HPriest buffed, Shadow nerfed.
crude notch
I'm saying the got buffed
Whether or not they needed it is a different conversation.
Obviously none of those buffs are enough to impact the meta, but still.
lusty grotto
we will have to see
i havent pushed super high with chipadin, but like i said earlier they tend to fall off in damage in higher keys
lusty grotto
im interested in the results to be sure
crude notch
I'm always curious about targeted ability nerfs/buffs because it makes me wonder if any talent changes will come into play
daring marlin
gonna try to push on my ret more 🙂
crude notch
5% damage nerf in the highest target dungeon
lusty grotto
well that's fine
crude notch
Obviously less in everything else
I'm confused by them only nerfing raze and not maul/raze. ((Obviously I'm confused by other things as well, but this in particular))
lusty grotto
im kinda confused about the outlaw buffs lmao
it seems like extremely small buffs, outlaw isn't doing so great
crude notch
I'm interested to see how they handle bear going forward because they created this monster themselves by buffing it 6 months in a row.
Agreed outlaw, seems pretty lazy.
Also makes me concerned for rogue's 10.1.7 rework
sick sentinel
arent 5hey doing a big eigue thing next patch
lusty grotto
hmmm true... i forgot about the rework
sick sentinel
just do that stuff then
crude notch
No monk, no shaman, no lock, no dh.
lusty grotto
ah
sick sentinel
i couldnt tell you why todays roguw sucks, i prefered old style rogue
lusty grotto
fucking havoc man, why do they not just buff for the momentum amount and remove that fucking dumpster fire of a buff from the game
sick sentinel
maybe literal weapon specs in the spec is too far
crude notch
i see wowhead is trying to force blizzard to nerf the dungeons by coming out with that "talk"
lusty grotto
let me see
crude notch
I think the only real thing they can do to encourage people to keep pushing for R1 keys is to nerf the scaling on keys
I don't see them going dungeon by dungeon
And if they do go dungeon by dungeon they'll assuredly miss something
chilly brook
4 years of early access + official DnD game + word of mouth
Yknow it’s crazy what happens when you as a game studio actually care about the product you put out and make games that you’d want to play yourself
crude notch
griff i need numbers thanks
chilly brook
What numbers
crude notch
augmentation deadge?
sacred urchin
Dead lmao no
chilly brook
Oh what’s happening we get a new nerf?
crude notch
RIP
sacred urchin
Aug got removed
crude notch
sacred urchin
that was the patch notes
lusty grotto
chilly brook
crude notch
you're the best griff
chilly brook
except griff
Fr never takes me to his keys
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Hell yeah nim happy for you
crude notch
I'm getting brainrot going from discord to discord getting takes
south zealot
really makes u realize 99.8% of the wow players are completely out of touch with the game
and have no fucking clue what theyre talking about in all situations
lusty grotto
what awesome takes are you getting
lusty grotto
LOL
chilly brook
Just flat 5% across the board and 5% on auto attacks sheeeesh
daring marlin
Holy Crusaders stay winning frankly
lusty grotto
trust
dusky canopy
It’s good that they are at least trying to bring the “god comp” in-line.. like I’m cool with a meta but like they have been so stupidly above the rest it’s been rather embarrassing honestly
chilly brook
wowhead does not agree
Crazy
crude notch
what awesome takes are you getting
The unironic ones:
- HPal Dead
- Fire Mage Dead
- Keys are over no matter what level you're pushing.
- SPriest, Aug, Mage, and HPal are mandatory, no matter the tuning.
lusty grotto
The unironic ones:
- HPal Dead
- Fire Mage Dead
- Keys are over no matter what l...
rofllllll
crude notch
Someone said "it hard locks people pushing keys from pushing any higher" and I was like they said that two weeks ago and R1 keys are still getting done this week.
They said that's not what they meant and I said well if you're someone pushing who's lower than R1 the only thing that's holding you back from pushing is skill.
crude notch
Nah in Peak they're just meme'ing
lusty grotto
oh lmaoo
crude notch
Meg is trolling all the HPals
daring marlin
crude notch
Brews are dooming
daring marlin
God comp rerollers^
dusky canopy
Wait they nerfed brew?
crude notch
No
lusty grotto
nah
crude notch
Brew just dooming to doom
chilly brook
Brew always dooming unless they’re unequivocally the best raid tank
dusky canopy
Ahh kk I just briefly skimmed through the deets
lusty grotto
that's peak's fetish
crude notch
Poor EQ
crude notch
I noticed Brew side of Peak shits on any and all streamers that play Brew.
lusty grotto
its like bipolar disorder
crude notch
They're very mad that people are playing PTA because mathematically it's not the best talent.
crude notch
Honestly can’t believe I didn’t see execute buffed by 200% for all warrior specs
True tbh
lusty grotto
well at least tettles said exactly what we mentioned
crude notch
lusty grotto
and squishei
chilly brook
They're very mad that people are playing PTA because mathematically it's not the...
It’s almost like people are just at a point where they’d rather just not have more buttons to press
And also a lot of high end brews were using it weren’t they?
crude notch
Yes
chilly brook
Something about it being better if played around for defensives and not that far behind offensively
crude notch
It's the same thing with Thorns of Iron v. Raze in S1 for Bear, the higher you go the more likely you are to lean towards simpler things.
toxic pewter
why wont any groups let me play the game
perhaps my reputation has finally preceded me..
🤔
lusty tiger
Woah those nerfs
chilly brook
why wont any groups let me play the game
I wouldn’t invite you to my keys
crude notch
Yeah apb I leaked to everyone on your server not to play with you because you don't use stances
LMAO
toxic pewter
I wouldn’t invite you to my keys
daring marlin
I noticed Brew side of Peak shits on any and all streamers that play Brew.
Not unique. Plenty of weirdos in this very discord shit talk Nerf of all people!
toxic pewter
well I guess I be hittin the ol' dusty trail..
chilly brook
I’d have to see you type more about weird warrior takes than you pulling mobs
crude notch
People just out here trying to game yo
And people just mad because they're better than them
crude notch
Even playing "mathamatically lesser" builds talents rotation gems stats whathaveyou
crude notch
Turns out WoW ain't hard and if you can find 4 other weirdos that have the similar goal as you and availability you can do big things
toxic pewter
i must reek of desperation
crude notch
i was top 10 prot warr in world one time
Of 10?
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
@crude notch did tettles read your graphs or something in this video?
lusty grotto
18:40
crude notch
They mentioned it in Titanforge Podcast this week
lusty grotto
he doesnt mention you of course
crude notch
I'm famous now
dusky canopy
u no u low wen dat happen <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Bro go do some Tmog or something
chilly brook
Pog
lusty grotto
xD
crude notch
He follows me now too. 
toxic pewter
Bro go do some Tmog or something
already 16 wins.. all my looks are known now too I dont win no more
i truly am at rock bottom
toxic pewter
cant even get in 22..
lusty grotto
you will be Archimitrios equal
crude notch
Oh yeah he definitely mentioned my stats.
chilly brook
Steamdeck boutta be poppin
crude notch
We take those
lusty grotto
fuck me im sorry Archimtiros, im sorry Archi pls dont come in here and kill me
i swear i can never get his name right
crude notch
Archi can get on my level
lusty grotto
yeah im uhh
gonna shut discord off now
if you dont hear from me this weekend call my mo
crude notch
lol
toxic pewter
ill miss u
crude notch
Just don't mention mog and you'll be fine
crude notch
If boomie replaces Mage, then you just slot VDH in for bear to make up the loss from Int buff, right?
lusty grotto
seems likely
priest healer, ret pally?
for sacs and pi?
depends on how this all translates into dmg
i think its likely mage will remain too
we will have to see
at the very least next weekend will be interesting
which is a good thing
dusky canopy
People like super math out that kinda thing right?
As far as like damage needed to time a key or w/e similar to raid bosses?
Or is that a stretch
lusty tiger
you could get pretty close with a brute force method of just simmed dps based on pack size and mob health
using any given route
crude notch
As far as like damage needed to time a key or w/e similar to raid bosses?
You can only reasonably do that on dungeon bosses really.
lusty grotto
yeah i mean MDT simming is available
crude notch
The thing that they do giga math out is if they'll live something
lusty tiger
BRING IN THE DESTRO LOCK
my homies are running that already
as soon as they assembled Dlock exodia they were timing +25s for the first time
lusty tiger
brm disc unholy
daring marlin
why brm? lol
lusty tiger
just phat dam
daring marlin
tank dam means dick
lusty tiger
probably sketchy
daring marlin
take vdh
lusty tiger
yeah
daring marlin
if you want dam in that regard
lusty tiger
why disc/prot? for brez and pi?
daring marlin
dump the spriest to keep pi
lusty tiger
spriest just got its balls cutoff
topaz raptor
since voice of the silent star doesnt have stamina should i take this other cape even tho it sims less dps? or maybe on higher keys / mythic raid prog
topaz raptor
but for raids ?
lusty grotto
so get a replacement for it
for raids its fine
except if youre progging mythic
let me be more specific
topaz raptor
ok yeah ill just use the other cape in the screenshot
lusty grotto
for raids youre parsing in, and low keys its fine
you can get 1, maybe 2 if youre lucky, procs on a raid boss
but for keys the proc rate is simply not worth the stam loss
toxic pewter
reminds me of that time i went to wendy and order a whopper
stone oasis
Is there a macro to cast shield charge when it's available and regular charge when it's not available?
lusty grotto
dont do that
there could be but its absolutely not recommended
shield charge is not a gap closer
it is a high damage skill that should be used with other buffs or in any case where shield block / last stand are not available and you need the SB up, as well as any single stun needed
south zealot
playing bear looks lkike it teaches you bad habits
just see people pulling a ton of shit getting blasted from behind
frozen rose
Going to be delving into M Sarkareth soon. Going over the journal. How do the empty recollection adds Empty Strike ability play out? Increased dmg taken by 25%. Just...kill adds quick? Keep them stunned? I don't remember if these are cc'able adds
south zealot
they are ccable
lusty grotto
ccable kickable, also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgSDUBghShw
plenty of guides all around
if theres anything prot warrior specific that you need though, feel free to ask
lusty grotto
no, you just have to burn them
the aoe is kickable though
but i suppose you already knew that
frozen rose
word. so burn and keep cc'd.
i'm guessing its fairly unacceptable to have that hit a tank lol
lusty grotto
it might happen
its not a wipe if it happens though
i think it's BoP'able
but im not particularly sure
but i dont think you wanna bop there anyway
cause you want it for infinite duress
south zealot
im pretty sure that went on our tanks like every single time
idk they just lived
on second set had prot pally get a gs from priest but that was it
wise solstice
hey, is violent outburst bugged?
lusty grotto
no
wise solstice
or maybe im stupid
south zealot
bugged how
lusty grotto
what are you seeing
wise solstice
but could someone explain why i keep consuming violent outburst when using my /cast ignore pain /cast shield slam on 5 stacks?
lusty grotto
you shouldnt be
well
with high rage intake its possible
but an IP shouldn't do 3 stacks
unless if youre spammin it for some reason
wise solstice
yea, it goes either from 5 > 0 or 6 > 0
so it doesnt even show i have violent outburst but goes straight back to being reset, but i get the extra ignore pain
wise solstice
im just hitting dummies
lusty grotto
let me double check cause i havent played today
nope
its not bugged
are you spamming the IP key?
because you shouldnt be
wise solstice
hmm
lusty grotto
if you are, youre draining your entire rage bar into it, you risk not having rage for a shield block refresh
its bad play
use it when youre about to cap only
its a rage dump so treat it as such
wise solstice
right, i mean its not a rotation question but my friend was explaining the talent to me so i was just trying to get the buff on target dummies
i just dont understand the interaction
lusty grotto
IP is off gcd
spamming it will consume all your rage
in a very short amount of time
so a full rage bar can go
thats 3 stacks right off the bat
crude notch
And if you have SS macro'd with IP and you're slamming your SS button even when it's on CD you will burn your rage like crazy
wise solstice
it looks like this, but this is normal or?
lusty grotto
yup
crude notch
Because it'll still activate the IP
lusty grotto
the SS + IP macro is only to be used when you're about to cap
i.e. above 70-80 rage
wise solstice
Seeing red stacks going from 5 to turning into a violent outburst proc
lusty grotto
youre using it even when youre at 30-40 rage
ok lets go through this again
every 30 rage you use
you gain a stack
wise solstice
yup
lusty grotto
if you spam IP, which is off global cooldown
you can go through your entire rage bar which is 100 rage
AND
since you have Shield Slam on it
it'll consume the rage gained by Shield Slamming
so you can effectively go through multiple stacks easily
either way, VO is to be consume by SS so its fine
except, youre not supposed to spam it like that
wise solstice
but clicking ignore pain still gives it a tiny cooldown on itself, doesnt it?
toxic pewter
1 second cd
wise solstice
yea
so how can it consume it from the macro?
if it goes on a 1sec cd
so it consumes the rage u get from the shield slam even though shield slam is cast after ignore pain?
also, can it even cost more than 35?
using it at 100 rage it still only drains 35 for me
lusty grotto
nah 35 rage, in the past it could
wise solstice
right...
lusty grotto
in S1 we had a bug where TC would consume 5 stacks of VO
idk it seems pretty consistent for me
its IP
the problem is IP
use Shield Block only
you might be right and its bugged
but it only happens with IP
wise solstice
yea, already tried it with revenge earlier and i couldnt replicate it
so its a bug then yea?
crude notch
HOLD
lusty grotto
on the contrary
yeah i cant replicate it with SB or Revenge
using IP off macro does it though
wise solstice
yup
crude notch
It's because it's counting IP as 40
crude notch
And so you actually have 8 stacks
lusty grotto
but honestly
it feels like an extension or the root cause of the TC Bug
and if so they havent touched it
crude notch
yeah it sounds like this bug #protection message
lusty grotto
actually no cause the TC bug only consumed stacks without rage consumption
lmao
welp
stance makes no difference
yeah
its IP spamming
like nome said
if you use SB in between it "corrects" itself
and/or revenge
crude notch
nice spec nerds
crude notch
yeah your only rage consumption over what 5 seconds shouldn't be only IP.
lusty grotto
but now i wonder if that's abusable
for parses... its just highly sketch to pull off since you want SB for the dmg buff anyway
lusty grotto
kind urchin
Does it count against our rage usage for stacks when revenge procs the refund on hit?
wise solstice
it seems that you can use ignore pain at 6 stacks every time and it will always do this unless im just getting very lucky? so wouldnt i just want to press this macro on 6 every time to save 60 rage per outburst?
lusty grotto
thats highly min-maxy
it depends if your block is safe
well..
you could
i think its probably not worth considering if youre already swimming in rage
if rage was harder to come by however...
the abusable part is just generating more outburst in a given timeframe
but again this only applies to ST/raid/offtanking
in keys youll be swimming in rage for the most part except on bosses
lusty tiger
tranquil drift
Small ravager and roar buffs, I'll take it :D
torn gust
ye
kind urchin
I've found that going in with shield charge then two shield blocks and then last stand gives 39 seconds of block uptime with bolster talented. Last stand doesn't abide by the rule for max shield block uptime. So I can spam all the ignore pain and revenge I want for violent outburst. You have to use last stand after the other 2 for max uptime otherwise you don't get the increase over the normal max.
lusty grotto
correct
bolster doesnt abide by the 3x duration rule
but once again you shouldn't be going in with shield charge
this is the 2nd time today i've mentioned it
shield charge is a nuke
use it as such
not as a way to initiate the fight, nor as a gap closer
and because if its a nuke, you should be using it inside Avatar + demo shout windows to maximize its dmg
severe hinge
hey
guys i just need to ask somethıng, im usin askmrrobot and pawn for gear update. but both of thıs tellın me wear dıffrent gear. which one should i use or another addon for stats
severe hinge
askmrrobot is useless ?
lusty grotto
yes
severe hinge
oky thanks for advice, i ll try
sleek tendon
Probably been asked a lot of times here, but I’m not very active here. What would you guys see as the best prot trinkets in M+? Range 16-20
jagged pier
Beacon, anvil and mark
One from VP idnt bad ither
But also its 16-20s nothing is gunna make or break it
sleek tendon
Thanks for the reply bud!
sick lance
Talisman of the Cragshaper is somethink i rly like to bring as second trinket ...
the 1 min cd makes it usable A LOT ...
tranquil drift
Heart of Thunder does very very nice damage imo, been very happy with it
I wish the crit one from NL dropped on prot gear
sick lance
yes
you can change your "loot pref" and loot for other specs
you can even ask other people to do so if you need a spesific thing ... sometimes they will change for you
sick sentinel
what is the best set up for low keys?
dusky canopy
what is the best set up for low keys?
^
sly shadow
am I a cute worgen 😳
tranquil drift
I'd hug you
toxic pewter
am I a cute worgen 😳
go trial of style and let the masses decide
toxic pewter
well
sly shadow
also I'm not an elf with a slutmog I lose those by default!!
toxic pewter
you def not cuter than me, I have 17 trial of style wins this week
toxic pewter
also I'm not an elf with a slutmog I lose those by default!!
that is just an excuse
tranquil drift
man doing some low level dungeons to get some wyrm crest on my prot, group with no bl, it's fine it's only a 13, the first ghosts arrive, we have me(warrior), another warrior, a holy priest, a shadow priest and a warlock
fellow warrior stun one of them
priests and warlock do nothing lol
sly shadow
things that win trial of style
*Priest tier shoulders
*elf slut mogs
*afk players farming tokens
tranquil drift
Actually I saw a priest use silence on one of them lol
we wipe, I explain what they can use, silence in party chat
we go again, they still don't do anything 🤣
I don't like leaving dungeons but sometimes shit is too cursed
sly shadow
before i start every single key I ask people to link there ability for the incorporeal and if they don't I just find someone else
i have ptsd
tranquil drift
I don't minding wiping once, it's low keys people can still be new to this, but if they don't communicate no point continuing
sly shadow
I invite people who are clearly overqualified for the key (Timed 20's and higher) in my lowly 15/16/17's and It's like they play with there fucking monitor turned off or pawn the responsability off on other people when It's literally a team effort
I might just start inviting people who are hungry to time it and who need it 
sick sentinel
I might just start inviting people who are hungry to time it and who need it <:p...
people who are truly hungry arent running 15s or 16s
even 17, cuz, thats the minimum level to get hero gear drops
sick sentinel
i wouldnt mind to push some io to have everything done on a 16 or 17, might like to do some easy 20s (inb4 jordan:but they are all easy yogi!!)
they might be correct but im not willing to admit that until im mostly done ksh
daring marlin
i wouldnt mind to push some io to have everything done on a 16 or 17, might like...
man yogi you just gotta BELIEVE IN YOURSELF
uneven mason
The damage profiles are basically the same, it's the DPS requirements that are very noticable between 17 and 21, which pushes you to pull bigger and one bad DPS can brick the key
Like our mitigation is high enough that as long as you're not going full smoothbrain and not hitting buttons at the right times you'll hardly notice the extra %, so yeah
toxic pewter
anyone good at math how much extra dps are 8% TR and ravager buff give us
hardy snow
anyone good at math how much extra dps are 8% TR and ravager buff give us
its something around (DPS of your ravager+DPS of your TR)*0,08 increase
toxic pewter
i mean overall relative dps increase %
hardy snow
it depends on a fight, on Rashok it would be ~344 dps increase, but on zaqali assault its ~1410 dps increase
brazen yarrow
what the fucj
hardy snow
at least from my logs, but if someone does better usage of those CDs, they can get more
strong forum
In my FH it would be a 0.97% overall increase
uneven mason
It's like, 8% of 8% of our damage profiles
toxic pewter
hmmm
strong forum
So like ~1.2k log dps gain
toxic pewter
ill take it I guess
sick sentinel
i like how jawors pfp is the discord logo but even more cartoonized