Pwar doing 2mil reflect in a 29???
#protection
daring marlin
here we go
echo time
I'm sure it'll be like my DK where only the other class trinkets drop
daring marlin
my run last night was better than tuesday
hmmmmmmmm, I could have four sparks on my warrior
proper roost
you hear this stuff about a second NA team entering tgp group C @crude notch
sick sentinel
Im still confused and concerned about the pwar i saw going into lair with overwhelming rage, BT and no SR
no idea what happened to themi hope they timed it
daring marlin
no idea what happened to themi hope they timed it
why not look him up
you CONCERN TROLL!
toxic pewter
just wisper them and ask how it went
toxic pewter
nice
sick sentinel
i wont say anything too negative about this guy
looks like some alt
this is log from 16 vp we just did and lock quit at first boss, maybe he was upset about something i did kept mobs out of his aoe
crude notch
you hear this stuff about a second NA team entering tgp group C <@71489000018935...
Who got bumped I wonder
Because alllllll good was 19th seed
crude notch
Empyrean got bumped. It seems. @proper roost
crude notch
is it tgp already or is it coming to close soon
Final cup starts today.
sick sentinel
im praying that chat can move on from 30 IQ take of "aug bad, ruin game"
sick sentinel
they probably wont, warcraft chat will probably be enraged again at dragon lizard men
proper roost
Empyrean got bumped. It seems. <@116366605818134530>
yeah something something they dropped out idk
equinox is in the NA team
apparently
south zealot
im praying that chat can move on from 30 IQ take of "aug bad, ruin game"
rare yogi w
common
mb
proper roost
Rude
proper roost
it definitely ruined the season but people don't care about long term in this game
Yo
proper roost
That feel when you take some BIG ass liquid capsules and your throat is just like
phew
south zealot
anti biotics and 2 tylenol
south zealot
as the game is right now? its dogshit and bad for the current state of the game
for what i think it will lead to? i think its good overall
daring marlin
i just downed 3 bigass capsules back to back
You don't take all your supplements in one gulp already?
pathetic
proper roost
i do see a potential major issue if they plan to have some kind of 1 support lock in per 5 man group idea going on
which is that DPS is already a super popular role, squeezing it to 2 dps per 5 man group is kind of nuts
like I would assume at least that a lot of people who like to play a support role, prob already play healers
casuals are also just really, really bad at assessing the value of having someone who could bring extra stuns/stops/etc
south zealot
like I would assume at least that a lot of people who like to play a support rol...
doesnt really help the spec is so fucking easy
proper roost
well I mean
that's also an issue
by the nature of support it's always going to be an "easy" spec to be carried on
unless a good support or a bad support visibly gives like 50% more dps or something, which like, no way blizz would make it that pronounced
crude notch
but yeah its fucked everyones rerolled already
What you mean weirdo. People will reroll at the drop of a hat with current gearing and lack of bp look at S1.
proper roost
not really sure that's healthy for M+, to have a role where people at low io will just play it really badly
and until very high io, will continue to play badly because they're not punished for it
or most support players are just going to be bad and carried
crude notch
Yo sign me up
south zealot
ur mom
proper roost
I mean I don't think any badly of anyone who rerolls for an op spec lol
that would be hypocritical
i think people who have hardline class identities are weird as fuck anyway
proper roost
those people obviously havent gone through their spec being completely reworked in an expansion to the point where its unrecognizable to play
(tbf, this hasn't happened since legion for most classes)
crude notch
SPriest from EN to NH was a trip
proper roost
ever since legion i've just played w/e is strongest since they changed so much
or like since mop even i guess
usually op and fun spec kinda matches up anyway, like current hpal
spec is fun to play + op
makes extra fun
crude notch
I play what's not best. EZPZ. Bear meta, you say? Time to play PPal.
@proper roost https://twitter.com/equinoxmonk/status/1687489255822757889?t=lSQKX4r8YJL8e9Y7RBqFEQ&s=19
Twitter
👀
proper roost
Chinese (taiwanese? whatever) team dropped out
crude notch
didnt his team not qualify
Nah Empyrean couldn't show so they got bumped in
proper roost
(only unclear because idk if they're a chinese team on TW servers or what)
south zealot
fuck dude
crude notch
Just call them Empyrean then you don't have to worry about what they are weirdo
proper roost
they're probably gonna get owned
south zealot
pogggg
crude notch
New na team to root for
crude notch
Bust out the Brew and win over fans
south zealot
cap
south zealot
drugs
proper roost
U wouldnt even know where to get drugs
south zealot
midway through tgp its more medicine time
crude notch
If they get BH you're 100% seeing brew
proper roost
crude notch
And you're only gonna see either Pal or Brew from him (outside of Bear)
south zealot
If they get BH you're 100% seeing brew
idk if hes gonna top dps with crane kick nerfs
crude notch
Lasher damage gone oh noes
south zealot
why did they do that btw
proper roost
3 tanks seeing representation at TGP
tank role is saved
🙏
the most diverse role in TGP
south zealot
wdym there was 4 dps 
cinder nova
Two tanks gonna be represented and homie gonna be the odd man out getting his face kicked in
proper roost
3 out of 5 tanks vs 4 out of 21? dps?
crude notch
and they made it to Sunday
south zealot
4 is bigger than 3
proper roost
idk the exact count on the total numbers of dps
south zealot
noob
proper roost
1 out of 6 healers
healing is not saved
crude notch
5 tanks?
proper roost
WAIT
crude notch
6 healers?
crude notch
Are you drunk?
crude notch
Kappa
proper roost
crude notch
Let's not go too far there
crude notch
Are PPal and RSham always locked?
proper roost
crude notch
They were in S2 SL too
proper roost
no they'll probably just run double pally 
but yeah it does pair really well imo because ppal makes up for rsham not having an external, and brez
crude notch
Thaner gonna bust out the rsham, belief kanga belief
proper roost
i would 100% think rsham is more likely than any other healer except hpal
south zealot
warrior is saved
proper roost
i mean rdruid is def not happening their damage got nerfed way too much
i got declined from a +16 on wednesday on my warrior
from a 4/5 group that had lust, all 4 other classes could CC, no other warriors in group
er wait there was a prot warrior actually. so he might have just hated furies who knows
crude notch
we have confirmation
crude notch
idk wym
south zealot
dude i cant wait for casters to say some ABSURD shit instead of saying he just likes it
crude notch
Peak is gonna be lit on fire today, I'm so happy
toxic pewter
up to 13 wins for trial of style
crude notch
I leaked and Choco convinced me to deletes
south zealot
no it guarentees rdruid bc rdruid good with monk
crude notch
Wonder if Carmeezy is feeling spicy
south zealot
crude notch
He was playing aug for them so probably not
proper roost
He could swap for some keys tho right
So if he plays ppal for like ulda for instance... ok actually thats a dogshit rsham instance
fuck
crude notch
Kanga looking for one inkling of hope
What S1 dungeon (that we haven't had) would be big RSham+PPal value?
lusty grotto
its either RLP or Nokhud so...
crude notch
ye
lusty tiger
HoV
crude notch
has to be a DF dungeon
crude notch
Is reading hard jeree?
lusty tiger
im barely awake rn
toxic pewter
have a feeling it will be rlp
proper roost
What S1 dungeon (that we haven't had) would be big RSham+PPal value?
.........
it's... it's not happening.
crude notch
I don't follow andybrew like you freak
crude notch
That means finals is gonna have Nokhud. Kekw
strong forum
Yeah
It's so fucking dogshit
Nokhud on Sunday
Full on sleep
But idk if anybody will unzip pwar for that
Cuz this comps surv is 10x higher than s1 comp
lusty grotto
good reflect value but still
strong forum
And reflect is really large on 2 bosses, could see play
crude notch
we'll see what happens after tuning
strong forum
We can expect naowh to play pwar in NL
Atleast they gave it a shot, but dunno how seriously
crude notch
Will we see the mythical 31 NL?
strong forum
Probably
crude notch
Are we really gonna get NL all 3 weeks?
strong forum
I have seen certain people practice NL
crude notch
well yea
strong forum
That weren't on group a or b
strong forum
I thought they only knew the affixes + dungeon of the s1 dungeon and the other dungeons are unknown affixes
proper roost
bliozzard
sick sentinel
i thought you were going to bring up how i do worse every day here
crude notch
well
sick sentinel
and then i would have said, ya fair point
crude notch
fari point
proper roost
he is BUSTING
south zealot
he cannot spell blizzard
strong forum
I can be your angle or yuor devil
south zealot
HES SO FURIOUS AHHHHHHHHHHH
sick sentinel
should we bring back more night faerie lore
speaking of fari
them and revendreth i want more closure on those from SL, feels like they got tosed to way side
lusty tiger
Got my tea chocolate frosty and baconator w fries to watch this afternoon
crude notch
Well NF and Revendreth stories don't have closure, they were used to push other storylines. Dreadlords and New World Tree.
sick sentinel
i mean like, things are slightly more peaceful there now and we have a path to get there and back
south zealot
cant wait to see aster y in omega form
deplete 0 keys until day 3
and just smurf on everyone
crude notch
i mean like, things are slightly more peaceful there now and we have a path to g...
If things are more peaceful there, then there is closure if you're referring to Bob Salami stuff and non-Daddy Denarius stuff
dusky canopy
||Arthas wasn’t wrong||
crude notch
Arthas should've purged more
sick sentinel
arthas didnt put any fucking points into speech
and he lost the roll on speech to jaina and uther
he put all his points into attack and healing
sick sentinel
hunter TGP confirmed
sick sentinel
that RLP is gunna hit 30 or 31 garunteed
final boss will be somethin else, but i think they can do it
crude notch
Neltharus LUL
sick sentinel
BREWMASTER
crude notch
strong forum
These magic dmg memes are so dumb
sick sentinel
as i said, 30 iq twitch chatters
how do i know they are 30 iq
i been there since it was justin.tv
crude notch
tbf, a certain frequent poster in here was saying the same thing
south zealot
this dungeon is rpetty easy for bear
u can just frenzied regen in between the dangerous hits
like 2nd boss hits like 3 times or whatever and u can get ticks of huge healing between them
sick sentinel
that final RLP tyranical boss does a fuck load of dmg tbf, like, i think bears will be just fine
chat is malding about the thought of RLP returning as a key
south zealot
i do agree, bosses in rlp werent particularly good
but i dont think its awful either
lusty tiger
rlp suks
chilly brook
i do agree, bosses in rlp werent particularly good
Funny thing is it’s not the bosses that kill the key for me
crude notch
RLP good weekly key dungeon
strong forum
Funny thing is it’s not the bosses that kill the key for me
Same
I was baffled when xyronic said the misses RLP
That was legit just a "get portal and cba" dungeon
lusty grotto
i mean my healer friends liked both that and pre-nerf nok
but its not a good dungeon for normal healers
idk
the only thing i liked was it was a quick one
sick sentinel
academy was good
strong forum
Nokhud kinda OK, but boringish
crude notch
the DOS feeling of too much travel kinda killed it for me
lusty grotto
i get that
strong forum
Dos was only good for 1/3rd of the dungeon
lusty grotto
and i generally dislike long feeling dungeons
strong forum
The rest was ass
lusty grotto
HoV was just, fuck that key
strong forum
Doesn't count
sick sentinel
nah, i liked hov
crude notch
Dos was only good for 1/3rd of the dungeon
Yeah I hate how many people say DOS was a good dungeon when it's like literally only Ardenweald was good.
lusty grotto
but it felt that way
sick sentinel
odyn was scary but i still liked that key
modern gazelle
Just had a thought…
So with cross realm gold trading, can’t you trade gold to someone on a realm with cheaper AH prices then trade back to your realm and sell stuff more expensive?
crude notch
it felt like an hour of a key
5 boss keys man, I tell ya
sick sentinel
oh fuck, i just realized
lusty grotto
like i said, it felt too long
sick sentinel
i have never made it through the maze once
crude notch
madge cuz badge
sick sentinel
i think i understand what they want you to do there, but its bullshit
south zealot
if dos had 1 less boss it would be super dope
since its so fucking long its just kinda dope
crude notch
gimme a 3 boss non-linear dungeon with low travel
south zealot
do u guys ever watch old clips of you playing
dude i was impressively dogshit just a year ago
chilly brook
Hakkar wing was just shit
Mechagon wing wasn’t that bad
Ardenweald definitely made the key
crude notch
dude i was impressively dogshit just a year ago
now you're just regular dogshit
toxic pewter
are there any 1h weapons in the game that resemble a spear/polearm
south zealot
yeah its called dn
sick sentinel
there is gunna be 1000s of some varition of "hellboy"
that look exactly something like this
easiest one is hellfireboy, a warlock
uneven mason
Hellokittiboi
toxic pewter
yeah its called dn
toxic pewter
kinda want to switch to red draenei
do they have a heritage armor yet? i dont think they do right
sick sentinel
i just know that i have every avialable heritage
toxic pewter
dang nice
sick sentinel
even the untracked ones, not legion shit
daring marlin
chad king yogi
chilly brook
Why would I want to be a space goat with tentacles growing out of my face?
daring marlin
Why wouldn't you?
crude notch
You disgust me
chilly brook
Humans are dummy thick
crude notch
Draenei chest just makes you feel inferior is why you're a hater
chilly brook
Nah
toxic pewter
it will be tough to leave Vulpera.. but I may go Draenei for a while
will be a refreshing change
chilly brook
If I really wanted to be a thicc boi chad I’d just be an orc
toxic pewter
trial of style has affirmed my belief most players are closeted Vulpera likers
14 wins so far
crude notch
Or that Furries do Trial of Style
toxic pewter
wat u mean
strong forum
Orc cringe
toxic pewter
most people are belf
crude notch
Red Draenei or Orc nome?
toxic pewter
red draenei 100% cooler
chilly brook
The real answer is dorf
crude notch
Red Draenei pally gonna look weird af
chilly brook
Red Draenei pally gonna look weird af
Get to RP that one a chick from HFC
toxic pewter
is draenei racial for str actually any good
strong forum
Get to RP that one a chick from HFC
Or from sunwell
toxic pewter
gives like 127 str or some crap
strong forum
Yeah it's pretty good
crude notch
Gift of the Naaru is bis racial don't at me
toxic pewter
actually pretty solid racials
crude notch
(I'm joking)
chilly brook
Was better in tbc/WotLK
toxic pewter
its off the gcd which I like
strong forum
For high keys yes
jagged gust
If I'm pugging god no, that's 2 pulls for me dog
toxic pewter
i just skip that first hulk altogether
real trellis
is the Onxy Annulet still usefull in tanking this late?
toxic pewter
most people not using it anymore
jagged gust
nopers, unless you're in some awkward state of gear where you can get 424 annulet and only have like a 398 ring
jagged gust
i just skip that first hulk altogether
I've taken to grabbing the basilisks and pulling up to the worms, then either turning that into it's own pull or if my group is feeling saucy dragging that into the pack by the diving board and hoping I dont boof it to the bleeds from 3 basilisks. Fuck touching hulks when you can help it. Also fuck pulling basilisks, I think I'm gonna reroute to not include those in the future
lusty grotto
if you wanna skip pelters on fort week, its beneficial to do the first hulks and just massive pull it
like nome said
its only on VERY HIGH keys
augy and cds and lust is more than enough to melt that pull
anything below 23 or 24, might not be worth
and also extremely risky on bolster + fort weeks
south zealot
turbo clutch byt sheesh
lusty grotto
riparooni
crude notch
holy shit
lusty grotto
lmao
crude notch
that was hot
crude notch
oh yea
sick sentinel
i just watch the wow players kill wow bosses on TGP and MDI
i don't try to overthink what they do or write it all down
royal shoal
Is the impact buckler good to craft for prot? or should i craft something else?
lusty grotto
its not
primal molten
is what you want
impact buckler blocks an embelish due to perma embelish
read pins on which embelishments to go for
crude notch
TGP is background noise for me unless tech is being done then I watch to use it in the future
proper roost
use dn
lusty tiger
dn
toxic pewter
crude notch
only boomers still use it
lusty tiger
ur like 40
crude notch
who?
lusty tiger
jordan
crude notch
nope
lusty tiger
crude notch
Yes you're right I'm coping that I'm not 40, I wouldn't possibly know my own age.
toxic pewter
i am 34 years old
sick sentinel
lusty tiger
2/3 a haiku
toxic pewter
anyone know if i can block/dodge/parry during anvil .5 second casttime
strong forum
No you can't
strong forum
Lovely
Really love being unable to use a trinket in a large pull cuz it'll kill me
It's the best
crude notch
next season we get the cheat death question a million times 🙂
south zealot
better than codex
codex was provably less damage and less healing then something like rdm but was played in like every key for some fucking reason
sick sentinel
CHAINS TECH INC
strong forum
codex was provably less damage and less healing then something like rdm but was ...
Not just probably
sick sentinel
nvm
strong forum
Codex was straight up dmg loss
crude notch
gimme an arcanocrystal
south zealot
sorry i meant proveably
strong forum
Over any other trinket
south zealot
would have people posting overalls showing it was doing "good" damage when in reality they were playing bad
strong forum
"hey look annulet is doing 30% of my damage"
south zealot
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdHBoG2bLY annulet users in 10.1.5
modern brook
i think 2bb is a trap and does nothing sizable for you
strong forum
Not a fan of dropping enduring Defenses
modern brook
and then i think its basically just the bog standard but you dropped enduring defenses and rage gen for 2bb
strong forum
You'll find yourself with block downtime
south zealot
i would prefer the rage generation with bloodsurge over bloodbourne
strong forum
And playing barbaric training without seismic reverb is also a big ?
south zealot
should talent into your stops for nelths lair always
pelters/trappers/worms are dangerous
toxic pewter
is enduring alacrity better than bloodborne
modern brook
not really comparable
they do different things and are at different chokes in the talent tree
sick sentinel
modern brook
you dont take them for totally different reasons
toxic pewter
if you were set to try bloodborne i would put 1 point in it and 1 put int alacrity
strong forum
is enduring alacrity better than bloodborne
It kind of is, the 1% multiplicative haste is pretty good offensively
And you just also more defensive milage
toxic pewter
yeah like i bet its better than 1 point in bb
lusty grotto
bloodborne on tyrannical week... lol
strong forum
He means dropping BB entirely
toxic pewter
can do 1 bb and 1 enduring alacrity it is possible
strong forum
And having enduring Defenses
toxic pewter
yeah that would be better imo
strong forum
What did tettles do
lusty grotto
he did a tettles
crude notch
He confused Gulag and Goulash
strong forum
Did he pull an American
toxic pewter
yikes
strong forum
Yeah he did
toxic pewter
... smh
lusty grotto
he also confused meeix saying falconery with something else
toxic pewter
he also confused meeix saying falconery with something else
yah I heard that lmao
sick sentinel
oh well
modern brook
maybe im missing the point but i dont see how you're finding the break points to do 1bb and alacrity without losing something more important
sick sentinel
im sure HR will be speaking to him after lol
toxic pewter
maybe im missing the point but i dont see how you're finding the break points to...
in that build without enduring defenses I mean.. it is possible i think based on what he posted
modern brook
south zealot
in that build without enduring defenses I mean.. it is possible i think based on...
no its not
different talent tiers
south zealot
you literally cannot have all the "main" talents in the bottom and enduring alacrity
modern brook
^
toxic pewter
oh with 1 rage ability then or spell block
ok i see ur points actually
cant do it
modern brook
they do different things and are at different chokes in the talent tree
thats what i meant by different chokes
lusty grotto
i think youre overthinking this
bloodborne if anything could be okay to try on a fort week
its not a fort week
its a tyr week
shit talent, delete it, go back to prot pala
modern brook
uh back on track: i tihnk broad strokes you're fine but like theres a bunch of issues here.
-
BB damage is nice but finding room for it is a pain (basially this entire conversation)
-
no ED is pissy cause you'll end up with gaps in SB which is workable but annoying
-
no Bloodsurge is going to gimp your rage gen in aoe which will hurt your ability to live and send damage which sorta defeats the purpose of going 2bb in the first place
-
taking barb training without siemic is questionable
-
taking barb training AND no BS will neuter your revenge count which will in turn affect your SS count which in turn will affect your rage generation even harder
lusty grotto
bull
stop
this guy has been here parroting about how warriors are shit
for well over 2 months
modern brook
strong forum
maybe im missing the point but i dont see how you're finding the break points to...
ah
crude notch
we love getting baited by debit
strong forum
yeah andy used to drop BR for it iirc
modern brook
BR for alacrity?
strong forum
which was not the move
modern brook
that work out for ihm?
strong forum
yea
modern brook
ok yeah
south zealot
drop indomitable
modern brook
it didnt sound like the move lmao
strong forum
well for world first keys it worked
but looking back
was troll
cuz BR bug
:^)
modern brook
cuz BR bug
now that its fixed do you think it has a place in high keys?
strong forum
No
modern brook
rip alacrity for ever :^(
strong forum
SS go brr
south zealot
more auto more devastator more ss
lusty grotto
lol
south zealot
oneday
toxic pewter
lmao
lusty grotto
maybe 1 day the warrior dev will come back to blizzard
strong forum
Our tree is great, but one can dream
lusty grotto
and then he quit
toxic pewter
wait is that true
lusty grotto
and we get Scales not affecting prot for some reason and tc range still bugged
100%
lusty grotto
true story
south zealot
what does that explain apb
strong forum
and we get Scales not affecting prot for some reason and tc range still bugged
Scales not working with attt is intentional
modern brook
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448722066963693569/1133563235048624188/...
flag gaming
crude notch
lol
lusty grotto
Scales not working with attt is intentional
yes i know, thats the problem
strong forum
It would be abused by arms/fury
crude notch
welcome to wow?
toxic pewter
what does that explain apb
just a lot of inconsistencies occurring all the time, stances suck and havent been removed, literally giving up on the single utility ability they were planning to give us and just never heard again, lack of any changes since beta except nerfs pretty much
crude notch
Have you not seen druid changes over the years?
lusty grotto
yeah but heres the thing
crude notch
happens for pally and druid all the time
south zealot
- every warrior spec has gotten buffed THIS PATCH
lusty grotto
jordan a lot of the things youre saying are class specific, not due to another class applying a buff to you
so sure, there have been things like it, but not exactly the same
crude notch
...
toxic pewter
4. every warrior spec has gotten buffed THIS PATCH
all my points stand and I will never change
crude notch
Punishing other specs because of one spec is Punishing other specs because of one spec
like
it doesn't matter the specific case
strong forum
so instead of punishing only them
Smth smth condemn conduit nerf
Smth smth dragon roar nerf
south zealot
all my points stand and I will never change
change ur last point atleast because its FACTUALLY incorrect
lusty grotto
it matters when the buff comes from a SUPPORT class
toxic pewter
yeah but if all the other tanks got buffed, do our number 'buffs' actually count
south zealot
warriors are so fucking dumb
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
what if PI didnt do shit to DPS because prot could abuse it?
crude notch
This is nim's fault
strong forum
what if PI didnt do shit to DPS because prot could abuse it?
Tank lives don't matter
lusty grotto
DPS being Fury and Arms
crude notch
Nim opened the ground for apb to fit in his stupid stance stance
toxic pewter
Lol
lusty grotto
im not talking to apb though
toxic pewter
I stand by my stance stance
lusty grotto
i thought he was talking with choco
lusty grotto
about something completely different lol
strong forum
A tank barely ever gets intentional changes besides Bugfixes/flat number buffs
crude notch
Nah he took the bait on your dev quit comment
lusty grotto
LOL
south zealot
i dont even want to imagine how bad i have to be at the game to think stances are bad
crude notch
And somehow tied the dev quitting with his stance bullshit
toxic pewter
i dont even want to imagine how bad i have to be at the game to think stances ar...
I am on record of saying stances have uses and are even strong, but my main thing is they are just not fun and I am tired of them
strong forum
i dont even want to imagine how bad i have to be at the game to think stances ar...
Tbf, they are bad
There's no good way to fix stances
crude notch
I am on record of saying stances have uses and are even strong, but my main thin...
I'm tired of you, can we get rid of you?
toxic pewter
lol
strong forum
Besides the cringe stuff we have rn
crude notch
LMAO
toxic pewter
south zealot
idk i cant see a way its bad
strong forum
Cuz if they balance us around b-stance, we suffer hard if you have to go d-stance and lose tons of dmg and you're too tanky
toxic pewter
they just feel bad and are unfun, I do not like to lose damage
strong forum
If they balance us around d-stance, our dmg is op outside of d-stance and we're weak defensively
toxic pewter
link any log
log not relevant
strong forum
Rn, we're balanced around b-stance
Cuz nobody sits in d-stance
Cuz the penalty is too large
And the dmg intake is rarely jusitifed to sit in d-stance
south zealot
i think a balance around bstance is good
strong forum
It's not good
Cuz whenever you're forced to go into d-stance
You're miles behind other tanks
There's no way to fix stances
strong forum
Cuz you're giving up something to gain smth else
When other tanks do not have to do that
In the slightest
crude notch
Mind you for Bear it's not a problem currently because weaving is keks
strong forum
We're balanced around the fact that if you go into d-stance, you'll do less dmg than a bdk
Real fucking nice
👏
10/10 Design
crude notch
What if you remove the penalty are you doing more than BDK?
modern brook
There's no way to fix stances
`i mean the fix is to tie globals to your stance which i dont think anyone really wants
south zealot
i think a bigger issue is that prot warriors damage is just bad right now compared to the other tanks
toxic pewter
people were telling me other tanks would LOVE defensive stance.. I was like wat.. who wants this crap, please take it by all means
modern brook
b/d stance works really well for the dps specs
strong forum
`i mean the fix is to tie globals to your stance which i dont think anyone reall...
That fixes nothing cuz you'll just macro stances
modern brook
but i agree its a big headache for prot
strong forum
Like stances are worthless
You'll just macro buttons with stances
And voila, you don't have stances anymore
Currently it's the best imaginable Version I can think of
But it's still bad
crude notch
just macro shield block and ip to all your abilities, ezpz
toxic pewter
cant believe that warrior developer left, that guy did some solid work
lusty grotto
so nome youre just saying that because we dont know what Blizzard is taking as base stance and balancing around that?
strong forum
If you remove the dmg penalty from d-stance, we're just 20% tankier but I'll still mainly sit in b-stance cuz 3% crit
So nothing changes
crude notch
nah i was just wondering where it was mathwise.
strong forum
so nome youre just saying that because we dont know what Blizzard is taking as b...
It's evident we're balanced around b-stance
Cuz all and every log are done in b-stance
And we're still only getting minor buffs
lusty grotto
hmm
crude notch
just give pwar and bdk 50% aura buffs like bear, problem solved. Yw I'm the new pwar dev.
lusty grotto
so its not the plane of reference problem
strong forum
Like, if we're balanced around d-stance
Currently
Then idk
If their goal is for d-stance pwar to be the least dmg dealing tank
That's even more fucked
modern brook
dstance exists so your RL has something to yell at you about when your dps die to mechanics for the 20th pull
slow pawn
lets face it we get one patch an expac
lusty grotto
ok so it is the plane of reference problem
slow pawn
rest the time they hate us
strong forum
I don't care about being meta
Or being #1
It's just a pure discussion rn about stances
And the situation we're at because of em
lusty grotto
do you think shifting balancing around dstance instead being better?
strong forum
I don't have a solid solution to the problem
lusty grotto
and get a large dps boost out of those when we go into bstance?
strong forum
I can't think of one
toxic pewter
i assume they try to balance in the middle
strong forum
They're all filled with downsides
strong forum
Anything I've come up with
lusty grotto
its a weird situation
strong forum
Is just bad
modern brook
I think what you're describing is just an offensive cool down though
toxic pewter
yeah they need to just scrap stances.. they are unfun and not working out
lusty grotto
no bull
lusty tiger
bstance should interact w avatar and d stance should interact w shield wall that could be interesting
modern brook
like the stances cant be super impactful because they're no CD buffs
lusty grotto
i kinda understand what hes saying
crude notch
fury and arms are loving stances though, right?
strong forum
Cuz for them it's just a defensive CD
lusty grotto
its the scope theyre looking at both our defensiveness and offensiveness that's the problem
because either of those changes will impact each stance differently and/or put us ahead or behind other tanks
depending on the stance
strong forum
There's just no good blanket solution
Than the shit we have rn
The dmg penalty of d-stance is ultimately ass
Cuz lmao?
lusty grotto
tell him him he owes me brunch
toxic pewter
whatever Ion decides, I stand with him
I am a firm Ion supporter, through and through
crude notch
where's guilford
@daring marlin rise and shine sweetie
the chat is low on based takes today
honestly playing brew in all these dungeons was the best play for them considering their short notice.
proper roost
is he owning?
crude notch
nah they're in a rough spot because they're not used to having to +3 like the 22s and shi
lusty grotto
i think... that if they make stances affect prot defensivewise might be a better solution
like battle less physical damage, defensive less magical damage, berserking less dot damage
or something like that
not exactly that
modern brook
the only thing i could come up with that wasnt an entire redisgn of the stance system is to adjust defensive stance to a block stat gain or something
so that it can be justified to drop the damage penalty
toxic pewter
should make it 10% dr and dont lose any damage I am ok with that, losing 3% crit is already bad enough
warm plinth
Short of bringing back x ability can only be used in y stance, there is pretty much no way you don't sit in one stance 99.99% of the time, which has literally always been the "problem" with stances.
proper roost
nah they're in a rough spot because they're not used to having to +3 like the 22...
rip
lusty grotto
there's different types of damage after all
chilly brook
@strong forum I mean theoretically there’s a solution, granted I don’t really think it’s a problem as is, but honestly just rework defensive stance for prot to actually help shore up weaknesses in the spec I.e. bleed/dot damage
proper roost
OH NO
warm plinth
Stance dancing is ass anyway. Either leave it as is or remove stances (again)
chilly brook
Which sure the flat damage reduction does kinda do that
proper roost
warm plinth
I know man 😦
chilly brook
But you could actively focus on just those types of stuff that actually cuck us hard
lusty grotto
yeah griff but just make the 3% baseline and then let us work for each type of damage
it doesnt have to be flat percentages
modern brook
I dont hate that solution nim
lusty grotto
like bull's suggestion might work for physical damage
modern brook
I do sorta think im in the "stances arent really a problem" camp
chilly brook
Idk personally I don’t see stances as a problem as is
lusty grotto
and then idk do something about magical nukes
modern brook
if people want a baby mode sure go for it i guess
chilly brook
But if you were going to do something about it making d stance shore up specific weaknesses in our kit would be the best imo
Hell put a CD on it for prot idc
modern brook
if you really wanted to encourage stance dancing you'd just make a maintenance buff
lusty grotto
nah well
dancing isnt really the problem
its just a good to have, but obviously everyone will feel differently about it
modern brook
yah agrid
lusty grotto
i think when talking about stance dancing specifically
its a good avenue to pursue to give prot a bit more depth
skill depth
as in dance accurately and you'll do better
crude notch
Bruh people struggle enough as is
modern brook
i think thats basically where we're at rn
chilly brook
If we’re balanced around b-stance like Nom said I don’t see that as a problem since we aren’t required to go into d-stance anyways and it’s just an “I really need more mitigation button”
modern brook
dipping into dstance as a defensive has been in the playbook since we got it back
warm plinth
Idk personally I don’t see stances as a problem as is
100%. It's an imaginary problem. You could argue they're pointless but paladins do the same thing with auras (use one all the time) so 🤷 only difference is personal vs party
chilly brook
D-stance is just a nice to have imo
jagged gust
Anyone ever play Warhammer online? There was a class called the chosen, and it had something more akin to shouts like the diablo barb, where you would cycle your "shouts" to keep several active simultaneously. You didn't have to, but the more you juggled the better overall you would do. What about giving stance dancing a similar treatment?
lusty grotto
If we’re balanced around b-stance like Nom said I don’t see that as a problem si...
yes but the problem with this is you have no idea what blizzard is specifically looking at when it focuses on defensiveness
toxic pewter
the problem is far from imaginary
jagged gust
Dance in several stances, keep several active simultaneously
warm plinth
That would be God awful
lusty grotto
you mean EQ1 bard, but yeah i do remember Chosen
chilly brook
Nah man
jagged gust
nah
thin silo
I think the only way to make stances work is to tie the effects to non-numerical performance values, like a mini-choice talent you can swap on the fly
lusty grotto
and yeah i dont really think that's a good approach
urban portal
they literally dont want stance dancing
chilly brook
I played classic-WotLK, I would honestly uninstall if there was legit stance dancing
warm plinth
We have one of the highest apm in the game and you want to add more for something that isnt even a problem smfh
lusty grotto
I think the only way to make stances work is to tie the effects to non-numerical...
yes that's what i was going for kind of
jagged gust
I like it, gives us something better to do than spam the 90th revenge of the boss fight
thin silo
Bounding Stride in BS vs like -forced movement distance in DS
lusty grotto
Ghash, youre not wrong
chilly brook
I think the only way to make stances work is to tie the effects to non-numerical...
Technically they do work as is
lusty grotto
that's a good point
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> I mean theoretically there’s a solution, granted I don’t r...
maybe tie smth else that isnt just a flat DR or dmg buff/penalty, maybe rage gen or block efficiency?
chilly brook
Would be interesting
lusty grotto
right right
toxic pewter
dont fuk with my rage gen
strong forum
that shit needs numbers to be evaluated
chilly brook
Still find myself solidly in the “it’s not really a problem” camp
It’s just a button that exists for when you need it
strong forum
its not a problem until it is
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
The premiere prot warrior issue is that they didn’t bring banner into the talent tree and gave us spear instead
lusty grotto
no, the premier prot issue is that our utility is ass
strong forum
the premier issue is that i find prot boring
lusty grotto
yes griff
strong forum
exactly
lusty grotto
i understand that
crude notch
premiere prot warrior issue is they'd probably listen to apb more than they'd listen to someone like nome
lusty grotto
LOL
chilly brook
toxic pewter
yeah but banner not existing and lack of utility are really issues that do not exist
lusty grotto
this true
toxic pewter
meanwhile stances are are hard fact, they are real, and they are unfun
strong forum
i dont like this lack of utility argument
chilly brook
Utility is a meme
strong forum
at all
chilly brook
Always has been
lusty grotto
well utility isnt an issue if our damage would be high at a high skill level
or was high
like they are interchangeable
up to a certain point
toxic pewter
premiere prot warrior issue is they'd probably listen to apb more than they'd li...
that is not even remotely true, most people consider me a troll..
chilly brook
Still lower than bear
crude notch
chilly brook
crude notch
this is my take on utility
strong forum
its not a take, its fact
when dmg is equal, then its utility who decides anything
and that is where we are currently
chilly brook
If only brewmaster wasn’t kinda paper in high keys
lusty grotto
when dmg is equal, then its utility who decides anything
this
chilly brook
They’d be blastin
proper roost
remember when prot pally had the same utility for all of legion through DF and were very not meta in SL
chilly brook
Wut
lusty grotto
but prot pally also were shit at defensiveness
chilly brook
Wasn’t pally like meta one season in SL?
proper roost
and being the reason why they were good
strong forum
pally was shit all throughout BFA despite all its utility
proper roost
crude notch
Have we ever been in a situation where utility was actually the deciding factor though
strong forum
but with SL rework pally has gotten really good
cuz finally 100% uptime on sotr
and good aoe dmg
when prior to SL pally had fuck all aoe dmg
lusty grotto
you cant just say "yeah people ignored prot pally utility throughout" and not mention how they were paper tanks
strong forum
was only ST dmg king
lusty grotto
we're having a serious conversation right now cause defensivewise, tanks are mostly balanced
that hasnt been the case in the past
chilly brook
Imagine being blood dk and being giga tanky until you just get randomly one shot
proper roost
that's the point though, bear's not top rn because of utility, it's because of dps and tankiness
which is always the deciding factor
(motw is dps and tankiness not utility)
lusty grotto
motw is utility
proper roost
No it's just a flat effectiveness increase to the whole group lol
In what world in motw utility
crude notch
Imma keep it a buck fitty, Bear is meta because of Mark.
chilly brook
Idk most buffs are just flat throughput increases
lusty grotto
i mean thats why druids are picked right?
strong forum
bear is meta cuz its just really good and bring mark
crude notch
If Boomie was stronger than Fire mage Bear wouldn't be meta
strong forum
well kinda
crude notch
Is everything Augvoker brings utility?
strong forum
augvoker brings all the boys to the yard
toxic pewter
where friday tuning announcement... 🤔
urban portal
motw is 3% at best
strong forum
yeah but think about this
you get motw, knockback, root, incap on druid + shitloads of healing
lusty grotto
motw does matter
crude notch
mark definitely matters because it's also 1.5% DR which matters in meta keys