which is about average for other categories
#protection
sick sentinel
crude notch
my shield collection is trash
sick sentinel
its easy as long as you can kill old raid bosses
just summon them (if you need to) kill them, pray
crude notch
why is my ping to EU better than my ping to PST. 
lusty grotto
routing probably
daring marlin
Turns out I've been on wifi cuz I need a new ethernet cable
I should go buy one lol
lusty tiger
Turns out I've been on wifi cuz I need a new ethernet cable
pain
i opened my vault as fury and saw a 231 wep, but it was a 2h ):
daring marlin
231? We back in Nathria??
topaz raptor
so in single target raid wowhead kinda makes it seem like i should be thunderclapping over shield slam. can anyone confirm? I thought u were supposed to prioritize shield slam
toxic pewter
ABSS
lusty grotto
wowhead's writer hasnt corrected it
toxic pewter
always be shield slamming
topaz raptor
ok ty
lusty grotto
read icyveins guide until he gets around to fixing it
toxic pewter
tfw having more fun in LFR nathria than majority of DF content O_O
strong forum
lusty grotto
or, well, there you go
strong forum
that being said
with T30, even in aoe you should prio SS because theres pretty much always a prio target to kill
going for TC > SS in aoe is more padding than effective dps
and when your 4pc proc is up
SS is BY FAR your best button to press
each single SS during 4pc proc does as much as an outbursted thunderclap and has a higher softcap
toxic pewter
dang nice
strong forum
TC is softcapped to 5 targets, whereas 4pc is softcapped to i believe 12
toxic pewter
is TC 8 yards basically an 8 yd radius or diameter
feels like a diamater at this point
toxic pewter
yeah because it def not 8 yards.. feels more like 5 yards right
lusty grotto
its less for some reason
toxic pewter
just feels bad.. go on bear and theyre thrashing all shit within like 11 yards or some shit
its just wild contrast
never realized just how bad this bugged range felt until now
crude notch
it's 2 less yards
south zealot
is using Revenge! procs before they expire number 1 prio
or do u just ignore procs and play normally
toxic pewter
it's 2 less yards
what is? the thunder clap is really 6 yards and not 8?
warm plinth
I don't really pay attention to them much. At least, they don't affect my priority
The only way to use them before they expire/get refreshed is to use them immediately, which is not realistic
crude notch
what is? the thunder clap is really 6 yards and not 8?
yes moo and i tested it
toxic pewter
Ok interesting
i wonder if the talent that increases it by 50% makes it 9 yards or 12 yards
did u guys test that by chance
crude notch
yep
lusty grotto
you mean TL?
toxic pewter
blood and thunder just too strong can never see getting rid of it
crackling thunder
shares node with blood and thunder
lusty grotto
ah yes
toxic pewter
basically never gonna use but just curious
warm plinth
Yeah you wouldn't use it anyway. But it would be 12 yards
toxic pewter
yah but does the bug affect that too I guess Im just curious
warm plinth
What bug
toxic pewter
tooltop says 8 yards but its really 6 yards
for thunder clap I mean
so I was just curious if crackling thunder is 9 or 12 yards I guess it doesnt matter
warm plinth
Who says it's 6 yards 🤔 There's a lot of mobs in big pulls that wouldn't get hit if it was 6 yards
lusty grotto
dont forget TL extends by 5 yards
crude notch
we literally tested it
toxic pewter
jordan and moo tested it
warm plinth
Thunderlord affects Demo Shout's radius, not TC
lusty grotto
oh true
warm plinth
6 yards is literally a step out of melee range
toxic pewter
blood and thunder should basically be baseline with just how good it is lol
crude notch
crude notch
same
lusty grotto
is there any other way to test?
i guess get one the sunwell daily thingies
attuned crystal core? its 8 yards right?
according to moo?
fuck didnt i have an item to port over there or something?
welp to shatt
warm plinth
Most items that say "nearby target(s)" are 8 yards
lusty grotto
welp the daily isnt up
my pally has the ench thing
i guess we could check again, or to corroborate moo and jordan's
crude notch
be my friend
crude notch
yeah already yoinked from your profile
modern gazelle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZCm1M2dpqfPWj9Qz/#fight=last&type=damage-done
3 pulls
and we had 2 dcs in the first 2 pulls
LETS GO!!!!!!
warm plinth
Congrats my friend
sick sentinel
i stood in crusher and cannons, again.
just love standing in that crusher self circle
crude notch
the shit we're doing
toxic pewter
lolwtf is that the thunder clap testing
daring marlin
Nimchadadin
sick sentinel
sepiroth wasn't top dps even
clearly not the real one, the real one we'd have 3 chested
why testing thunderclap
i not u nderstander
toxic pewter
I think they’re testing the range of things but I may be wrong
warm plinth
we making that happen???
toxic pewter
Basically thunderclap says hits targets within 8yards but really only hits targets within 6 yards
torpid fiber
1 less yard just about
Literally unplayable. Rerolling immediately.
crude notch
this mf tried to kill me
torpid fiber
I can’t afford to lose any length tbh
dusky canopy
torpid fiber
what do we mainly use to generate rage
I mainly think about my student loan balance
golden tartan
that works
dusky canopy
what do we mainly use to generate rage
Usually i press WW on cd
torpid fiber
Usually i press WW on cd
Monster
crude notch
BREW
hardy snow
what do we mainly use to generate rage
shieldslam and thunderclap in basic rotation
crude notch
ffs
dusky canopy
LOL
hardy snow
additionally CDs like th. roar, ravager, shield charge
crude notch
i press devastate
torpid fiber
Bring back reprisal legendary!!!
warm plinth
1 less yard just about
Just jump 4Head
crude notch
@proper roost faker returned and T1 magically looks like a worlds competitor again
mighty valley
looks alright, shield slam is your top prio rotational button
golden tartan
also prot warrior isnt strong for self heals or am i wrong?
hardy snow
Bring back reprisal legendary!!!
I personally prefer its bound to shield charge that we can use on any distance 
hardy snow
i can see sometimes my hps peak at 70k
its because IP is considered as absorb
torpid fiber
also prot warrior isnt strong for self heals or am i wrong?
Self heals are not our thing
mighty valley
we're more about mitigation and staying stable than dk-style chunky self heal
hardy snow
but in reality its one of our mitigation tools, and rest of real heal isnt big
torpid fiber
I miss banner of maldraxxus
hardy snow
I miss banner of maldraxxus
we all do 
golden tartan
i was running old ass TJS m+ talents
mighty valley
everyone hated banner...... until it became a permanent uptime 24% strength buff
torpid fiber
everyone hated banner...... until it became a permanent uptime 24% strength buff
I preferred it over the eye sore that is spear
mighty valley
i was a hipster venthyr prot warrior for a long time
hardy snow
they could give us back venthyr's version of execute, that was cool imo
golden tartan
condemn
lyric yoke
hi,
maybe dumb question but is block and parry affected by cast time of the beacon?
mighty valley
i loved condemn... then they buffed regular execute, gave venthyr a garbage legendary, made everyone else's conduits way better, etc
warm plinth
hi,
maybe dumb question but is block and parry affected by cast time of the bea...
Most likely but it's a hasted cast time so it shouldn't really cause deaths
urban portal
In raid you cast when you aren’t tanking
warm plinth
i loved condemn... then they buffed regular execute, gave venthyr a garbage lege...
At least we got the condemn animation though
urban portal
In m+ you use on pull
mighty valley
Condemn animation IS sick
toxic pewter
hi,
maybe dumb question but is block and parry affected by cast time of the bea...
Yeah you cannot block, dodge, or parry while casting beacon
Condemn? I’m something of a venthyr man myself
lyric yoke
thanks
mighty valley
i haven't had a beacon-related death all season
toxic pewter
That last pack prob the scariest pack to beacon this entire season to be fair
lusty grotto
i fucking got deleted
daring marlin
especially for warrior tbh
toxic pewter
I hate to keep doing it lol but beaconing on my bear feels so much easier lmao
That ironfur..
And bark skin
urban bane
toxic pewter
🐻
lusty grotto
lol
torpid fiber
i loved condemn... then they buffed regular execute, gave venthyr a garbage lege...
God remember how dumb arms venthyr was early on? You spent half the fight pressing condemn in raids lol
Condemn go brrrrr
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
anyway
here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jk2of5aWOk @astral atlas
also lmao i thought we needed BFA golem enemies but we could have just done it anywhere
because it says that but you can still cast and do the animation, it'll just fail
also jordan you cant intervene cross faction
outside instances
:p
modern gazelle
tips for how to handle bombs on mythic zskarn?
im on bomb duty and struggling to live them
crude notch
Oh I would've died lol
lusty grotto
oof make sure your surge protector is good
toxic pewter
Wish it would rain here.. maybe would cool shit down
crude notch
now i want to level a horde warrior
toxic pewter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jk2of5aWOk <@141038753383841792>
What’s actually happening in that video
I can’t seem to understand.. I don’t see any thunder claps even or am I missing something
modern gazelle
how can i better live bombs on mythic zskarn? we are 3 tanking, im on full bomb duty, but im strruggling to live past 2
crude notch
I can’t seem to understand.. I don’t see any thunder claps even or am I missing ...
the thunderclap comes at the end.
toxic pewter
Oh there it is..thx
dusky canopy
I ran into this BRM the other day
were like similar exp for our io and stuff
so weve been que and BLASTIN
dusky canopy
that guy pumpin
warm plinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jk2of5aWOk <@141038753383841792>
Unless that mob has a gigantic hit box, that is more than 8 yards
crude notch
no no, i'm saying someone requested stats for me.
crude notch
They wanted me to take this another step further.
and do it per spec
which doing it per class was already a tall task so
south zealot
druids cracked in every season except s3/s4
warlock being historically pretty bad for m+ is a funny statistic to point to when ppl say devs are all warlocks
lusty grotto
Unless that mob has a gigantic hit box, that is more than 8 yards
moo has it at 8 yards
crude notch
wait
warm plinth
I mean, spell data doesn't mean anything. TC's spell data says 8 yards and you're arguing that it isn't
wowhead spell data*
crude notch
do you also not believe in /range 8 because that was the original test
warm plinth
You could just take a rogue w/ acrobatic strikes with you and stand where their sinister strike or eviscerate or w/e lights up and test it that way, since their range is 8 yards w/ acrobatic
warm plinth
But idk. I just have a really hard time believing that's 8 yards, much less 6.5 yards (which is what the item you used says it has)
crude notch
For those wondering why he's not responding to me he has me blocked. 🙂
lusty grotto
this is 8 yards by having the item in the bars
south zealot
nah he traded to me
crude notch
oh
south zealot
just pass on loot so he gets to roll off
crude notch
oh that's right i'm dumb
lusty grotto
or whatever its supposed to be, 6.5, 7 so on
crude notch
This is gonna be something
night scroll
Ejoker
lusty grotto
same mob @warm plinth
night scroll
or whatever its supposed to be, 6.5, 7 so on
Good choice on the name.
lusty grotto
EVEN IF
wowhead is right
even if
and its 7 yards (or 6.5 according to spell data)
THAT STILL MEANS TC IS BUGGED
in fact, according to wowhead's listing and its spell data its even more bugged, and not by 1 yard alone
waxen orbit
Shard of Rokhmora is copium right?
south zealot
:)
crude notch
I thought we weren't going to get any more best neltharus's
dusky canopy
Chains go brrrr
crude notch
kekw forgot dev too @south zealot
south zealot
holy noob
dusky canopy
They wanted me to take this another step further.
Yo I was mid key and just now seen this, you got your hands full!
dusky canopy
WITH LEECH
dusky canopy
bro Yoked big time
south zealot
just need cloak and im super bis
south zealot
had it in vault but took socket
daring marlin
dusky canopy
south zealot
next time
daring marlin
welcome back
proper roost
Grats
daring marlin
GOOD LUCK IN RAID
daring marlin
looks TASTY
proper roost
it was really good
proper roost
haven't had curry chicken in so long
i'm gonna have some japanese curry tomorrow, with chicken thighs
gon be GOOD
proper roost
why is your dps so bad on your echo first kill @south zealot
south zealot
holy
proper roost
proper roost
is your guild recruiting dps warriors
south zealot
i dont remember
proper roost
to replace both of your useless ones
south zealot
but yeah i did dogshit
proper roost
private logs even on farm are toxic af
proper roost
sorry i just looked at the parse # first
and assumed
how do u even app to other guilds with perma private log, thats so cringe
just screenshot log page and be like "ye i could have html edited all the text but i didn't promise"
proper roost
oh til
south zealot
28% ms crit 35% execute crit
lusty grotto
i just got kicked on mythic kazz
south zealot
lusty grotto
cause the BDK couldnt hold agro
south zealot
lmfao
proper roost
theres no shot being mast over crit makes you parse a 3 buddy
proper roost
south zealot
lusty grotto
proper roost
esp after kazz
lusty grotto
well it doesnt look like there's a lot of mythic pugs so
lusty grotto
at the start sure
proper roost
on my pally i regularly pull off the vdh in my casual run and he's doing like 15k more dps
and i dont even have beacon or anything
just randomly outthreat
south zealot
just do less damage
cinder nova
We got no rogues and no hunters, how do I help my itty bitty BDK cotank hold agg.
Because dude's practically taunting on CD while managing taunt DR so he doesn't immune me on the swap for M Echo
If I rip I'm dead.
Bothered to check a block and it was 911K blocked, 818K damage, with a 380K overkill.
So...
What do.
lusty grotto
i mean i didnt think BDK had threat issues
i always assumed its just bad ones
am i wrong?
its been a big fucking while since ive had issues out-agroing someone
in heroics i mean
so it kinda caught me off-guard
but now that S is saying that...
south zealot
@proper roost what guild r u in
proper roost
a bad one
south zealot
whats the name
south zealot
our analyst says ur guild is his second favorite guild
proper roost
oh yikes
south zealot
whats the guild noob
proper roost
just look up my warrior im literally raiding rn (i was on bench cuz i logged in late actually but i'm logging over rn)
weird class discord people sometimes dox
south zealot
oh yeah
proper roost
in strange ways
so i dont really like posting my character names on here
(paranoid)
lotta weirdo lurkers out there
kind urchin
I'm in one of the top guilds on my server... But it's a shitty server.
Really shitty server.
proper roost
literally just did
kind urchin
Like, I should have stayed on area 52 because the players here suck.
south zealot
nah i hard lock improve rally on every boss
south zealot
yeah
second wind is sick on rashok but my specific rally needs to have improved
to fully function
proper roost
three raid teams
ye
uh
i kinda want honed reflexes idk i'm just bad at pressing bitter immun cuz i don't have muscle memory to press it that i got from keys
proper roost
ya like
i remember to press it when i also fatfinger into healthstone and healthpot simultaneously
and overheal for like 50%
🤪
south zealot
chilly brook
three raid teams
HBM is that you?
waxen vale
whats the highest leech any of u guys have?
im up to 14
i assume u could get like 20
pretty doable it seems
leech is always my highest self healing at over 20%
or at
but it's been 12% just got a 14% upgrade
so i wonder how much % of ur healing leech could be if u could get it over 20%
warm plinth
Being your highest healing is uh...questionable
You could maybe beat indomitable but you shouldn't be beating Ignore Pain
proper roost
i mean two of the raid teams are one day n/h raids
its not some giga tryhard guild lol
sick sentinel
Kanga why rat pic
crude notch
i know we're not supposed to feel bad for warlocks, but goddamn
ionic fern
What's that?
crude notch
Last 4 seasons, # of title holders
plush tendon
correction, I feel bad for affliction locks
Destro and Demo have been pretty solid the last couple of tiers
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
tacit gorge
How many Rage should a Protection Warrior waste on a Rashok Mythic Fight? should he overcap or is it just missplay?
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning Ghash, how are you?
ionic fern
How many Rage should a Protection Warrior waste on a Rashok Mythic Fight? should...
Overcapping Rage is always a mistake.
Depending on the overcapped amount the mistake is either tiny or huge. 🙂
warm plinth
Good morning Ghash, how are you?
I'm doing pretty well. Another boring day at work
How about you
sick sentinel
Bears exist
ionic fern
How about you
About the same.
proper roost
i know we're not supposed to feel bad for warlocks, but goddamn
Fuck warlocks and I hope that number drops to 0
ionic fern
why no one wants prot warriors in their keys
Because they are looking at sites like subcreation and at their favourite streamer/youtuber who keeps on stating "BEAR FOTM SO GOOD", and then they interpretate that in their mind to "ONLY BEAR IS VIABLE".
So basically, cause they dumb.
warm plinth
Which just makes you realize how many people in this game have less-than-average intelligence.
sick sentinel
Especially when they just look at ilvl 🙂
warm plinth
Who is just looking at ilevel 👀
stuck basin
i know we're not supposed to feel bad for warlocks, but goddamn
where to find this for all classes? xD
sick sentinel
A lot of people
vocal verge
People can’t take classes have their own strengths and weaknesses as a proper answer
crude notch
where to find this for all classes? xD
I'm currently working on it, I'll have it finished tomorrow because bedge.
crude notch
stuck basin
cool thx for that work then
warm plinth
BUT
You know what restores my faith in humanity?
This type of shit: https://people.com/a-murderous-sloth-terrorizes-a-sorority-in-trailer-for-new-slasher-movie-slotherhouse-7568877
ebon wren
why no one wants prot warriors in their keys
can't heal, off heal, res, or battle res.
narrow mural
so the free craft costs 8k
sick sentinel
Not 40k for crappy legs no
Crafters are scammers but im pisse they came back 443 so
narrow mural
are they going to rip me off when i recraft my 2 embelishments to 447 ?
sick sentinel
More than likely if you use trade chat
warm plinth
You know, I'm a pretty good tipper but if someone said 35-50k for a guarantee I'd tell them to shove it up their ass
proper roost
This type of shit: https://people.com/a-murderous-sloth-terrorizes-a-sorority-in...
you have strange taste
sick sentinel
That's why i just sai 8k cause its 8am and i want them 447
crude notch
I've never paid more than 5k for a craft.
sick sentinel
I never pay normally
Public order 443 so now i have to recraft as no guildies online
8k is nothing so idc
But still
sick sentinel
"Free recrafts" ONLY if they made it originally
crude notch
Well yeah
sick sentinel
Takes 2 seconds to press "Recraft item"
SCAM
Also if they can't max item with R2 mats don't even bother imo
undone verge
people who charge 20k for free recrafts are so weird like I just had 8 other people message me that they have an 80% chance to rank 5 my item and they dont care how much I tip
tranquil drift
I should go beyond 30% vers as prot right?
warm plinth
I should go beyond 30% vers as prot right?
Are you memeing rn?
tranquil drift
😰 what do you mean? :D
warm plinth
We don't stack vers my friend
warm plinth
Since ever
Just too many people listening to high key people in S1 who were wrong to begin with
tranquil drift
vers has always been good for magic mitigation though
which was always prot weak point
warm plinth
I mean you're spending 6,150 vers to get to 30%, which is 15% DR. If you need DR for a hit that badly, just swap to defensive stance and get 20% DR
tranquil drift
yeah but it's also 30% damage
double dip
and I can use defensive stance for big pulls still in addition
I mean I guess you're optimizing for dps and I'm optimizing for survival :D
warm plinth
Double dip how
tranquil drift
30% damage and 15% mitigation?
warm plinth
That's not double dipping. That's just how vers works. Every stat gives both defense and offense
Except every other stat is cheaper
tranquil drift
yes but 15% everything not just physical
wanton tide
Crit is life
warm plinth
Anyway, to answer your original question, you would probably stop past 30% vers anyway because it's actually very expensive and just gets more expensive past that point.
ionic fern
If you are going for stat X above other stats it means that while you get the benefit of stat X, you lose the benefits of all the other stats. All of our stats provide us a defensive benefit.
jagged pier
U actually get more mitigation from other stats, more haste more IPs and SWs for magic damage more crit less damage taken by melee / far more damage stopped than vers will do which then means u save more IP to use on magic
warm plinth
Just to take a step back though
You're not technically doing it "wrong" in the sense that it's going to impact whether you live or die
But it's definitely not optimal
honest pewter
does vers actually affect things that say they do a % heal, like victory rush says 20% or whatever, would more actually make it heal more, or is it set at 20%?
strong forum
no
warm plinth
I'm fairly certain that % heals are like...never affected by vers
narrow mural
how much haste is good
warm plinth
As much as possible
strong forum
vers does not affect our self heals
narrow mural
vers vs mastery ?
tranquil drift
affects leech heals though no?
jagged pier
7100 rating is a good amount of haste
strong forum
yes vers affects leech
honest pewter
that's what i thought too, but like, every guide i see is all like "get vers, it helps with this % based heal!"
ionic fern
warm plinth
Mwahi can you stop putting misinformation in your guide
please
we've asked you 100 times smh
ionic fern
No.
jagged pier
Yer smh
ionic fern
How else will i look better?
warm plinth
warm plinth
You're already beautiful
narrow mural
let me ask you guys one thing
this frostfire belt is doing shit damage
maybe i should get a second shadowflame ?
strong forum
?
honest pewter
it's not just ones i see for warrior either, i saw someone post the same for a DK guide before, and it just always made me confused
warm plinth
My good sir, why is thunder clap so high
jagged pier
Why is tc your top damage?
narrow mural
because i use it a lot O_O
strong forum
SS should be your top dmg unless its literally brackenhide
ionic fern
Wait..Frostfire is doing "shit damage".
And...you want to go for second shadowflame..implying you got one already.,.but frostfire is doing better than shadowflame in that image?
Am i dumb?
ember token
he is a Lei Shen fan
warm plinth
:weirdersip
narrow mural
Wait..Frostfire is doing "shit damage".
And...you want to go for second shadowfl...
for some reason shadowflame is not showing
warm plinth
narrow mural
in details
warm plinth
That's the whole list?
narrow mural
oh shit
jagged pier
Theres a scroll bar on that list
narrow mural
true
strong forum
strong forum
yes
warm plinth
A lot of people already had belt made from last season
ionic fern
because i use it a lot O_O
warm plinth
So a lot of folks run that + 1 patch
narrow mural
im also running tough as nails because a friend of mine told me that its better than ravager
warm plinth
Keep in mind though, that's w/ earthen smash in there
ionic fern
im also running tough as nails because a friend of mine told me that its better ...
What.
😂
warm plinth
it's probably a bit lower w/o it
ionic fern
Who is this friend.
strong forum
ravager is one of our best buttons
ionic fern
Is he on this Discord?
strong forum
thats....
warm plinth
Not only doe sit do good damage but it gives alot of rage
jagged pier
im also running tough as nails because a friend of mine told me that its better ...
Who the fuck is that, they are dumb
strong forum
thats not how this works
ionic fern
he told me, tough as nails is up all the time
Not to be rude but..you're friend is not the most knowledgeable person it seems.
narrow mural
i mean im a new player im trying to learn from people
warm plinth
Well, for what it's worth, trust but verify
But I honestly don't know where he is getting that. It sounds like he's making it up.
I don't know anyone who would say that
ionic fern
HEY.
jagged pier
I mean that statement isnt wrong, but it takes into acount nothing else at all
warm plinth
True lul
ionic fern
strong forum
its a true statement, but thats now how to compare the 2
ravager grants rage, ravager is huge burst damage on big pulls
Tough as nails has an internal CD and isnt burst
warm plinth
@ionic fern I 2-chested a 22 NL today 👀
Sadly not on pwar; was on my pally. But I was pretty proud of it
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> I 2-chested a 22 NL today 👀
Nice.
warm plinth
Good man
tranquil drift
avatar + ravager + roar on big pulls 
narrow mural
Link your whole build.
ionic fern
Not as horrible as i was expecting, ngl.
narrow mural
im using the wowhead recommended trinkets and rings
warm plinth
I would swap TL for show of force and then ofc TaN for Ravager. Having TL desyncs your demo shout from roar and ravager
tranquil drift
you know what makes me sad, I really want to take that heroic leap talent for mobility but you always have to sacrifice some damage
warm plinth
No y ou don't
tranquil drift
(or rallying cry :D)
like if there is no mob to charge my warrior feels slower than a paladin lol
fervent ferry
Revenge dmg?
tranquil drift
hmm could sac pain and gain, not even sure why I have it that seems so weak
I blame guides
narrow mural
should i swap my thunderlord for show of force ?
warm plinth
Yes
It makes it so you'll have demo shout for every shield charge, thunderous roar, and ravager
so they'll always be increased by 20%
I thought the monster had been defeated
I was sorely mistaken
fervent ferry
What’s so bad about the revenge talent
warm plinth
It's a 25% damage increase to a not even that high damage ability that makes said ability cost 50% more rage.
strong forum
it hurts your ST rotation alot and takes rage away from ignore pain
revenge is your SS reset tool, increasing that cost by 50% just hurts in the long run
tranquil drift
thanks for the talent tree, only diff was I had pain and gain instead of heroic leap cd reduction, that makes so much sense :D
fervent ferry
In aoe on some pulls can’t really spend rage fast enough but I can see how it hinders single target
tranquil drift
time to jump around like a maniac
strong forum
thanks for the talent tree, only diff was I had pain and gain instead of heroic ...
that one is personal pref
sick sentinel
I use Barbaric Training 🙂
lime urchin
Uh oh
jagged pier
In aoe on some pulls can’t really spend rage fast enough but I can see how it hi...
Ip is off gcd so not hard to dump rage
warm plinth
GOD DAMNIT
jagged pier
Even in big pulls
tranquil drift
pain and gain seems very weak though, 3% health every 10 secs?
strong forum
on paper its an offensive gain, but it just plays worse
strong forum
pain and gain seems very weak though, 3% health every 10 secs?
it is weak
warm plinth
That's why it's a flex point
fervent ferry
Yeah even with ip in some pulls rage is really up there without that talent
warm plinth
You can literally spam IP though
fervent ferry
Eep with ravager
sick sentinel
What thats raid
strong forum
just means you can/should press IP more
sick sentinel
warm plinth
I figured it was raid lol
strong forum
its kinda raid build but without T30
warm plinth
yeh
sick sentinel
There we go 
sick sentinel
warm plinth
sick sentinel
I have enough rage
warm plinth
I am going to go cry myself to sleep
sick sentinel
i drink monstrs and punch drywall and still cap rage
warm plinth
GN
sick sentinel
I usee all my shield wall charges ty
jagged pier
^
sick sentinel
naa i just legit use it cause i dunno
jagged pier
I love when i used both my charges its just SW with a longer cd and no rage gain
sick sentinel
4 set last stand op
sick sentinel
That was the last dungeon i did
So maybe I am smarter than you think
Naa I am actually dumb
sick sentinel
No i legit used it, but i changed just for you so you can sleep
strong forum
Yes I know that
Also I just woke up and pulled a muscle in my back
Im getting old
sick sentinel
You want to see a macro?
strong forum
No safe sleep for me
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I'll stop
strong forum
With how much SB uptime we have
sick sentinel
Yeah it does
strong forum
This doesn't do anything rly
sick sentinel
i get 95%
strong forum
Outside of raid
sick sentinel
Raid Idc i just do damage cause healers heal me anyway
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
I don't tank mythic just pugs so
honest pewter
honestly, having played all iterations of warrior, and going from no stances to two again, it feels odd telling myself to tank in battle stance instead of defensive stance
sick sentinel
I tank m+ 20+ in defensive stance just cause I get scared
jagged pier
If ot was the other way round thats a bonk
honest pewter
with my 70 gnome tank, i haven't touched mythics since like the 2 or 3 i did at the end of shadowlands, guild i was in fell apart as i was trying to get people together to do them
sick sentinel
If ot was the other way round thats a bonk
No no see, i know SB uses 30 rage + you shield charge in which gives you shield block so I wait like a few gcds before shield slam spam
Maybe smart
Maybe i dumb
honest pewter
so, i made a thor adjacent kul tiran warrior to start fresh
sick sentinel
Mastery is not bad right cause i made 447 haste/mastery legs for fury but want to use in prot, i lose 5% crit which is only 2% parry but gained block, Ilvl > stats yes cause i like my new shiny pants
sick sentinel
I thought so
I have to remove shadowflame embellishment off shield to put my 447 boots on then
Then I am 444
Signed to a 21 FH and a bear got picked over me 
charred gyro
how do people play last boss? mid fight 2 million absorb idk
strong forum
Wdym how
sick sentinel
Impending and pray for heal
strong forum
You don't rly take dmg from that boss so the absorb eventually get healed by the healer
topaz field
healer has absolutely nothing to do the entire fight
once every 45ish seconds there is group wide dmg other then that he can heal u
errant leaf
Guys i miss sl..
lime urchin
That’s okay
blazing condor
Guys i miss sl..
toxic pewter
Season 3/4 of shadowlands more fun than season 1/2 of df that’s for sure
hazy bronze
You could swap covs
gloomy vortex
Will be pissed if in Season 3 if we don’t get anything more than a damage increase
daring marlin
Will be pissed if in Season 3 if we don’t get anything more than a damage increa...
What would you want other than that?
ionic fern
Huge nerfs for the mega-dungeon bosses.
Cause those bosses are not going to be fun as Prot.
toxic pewter
Blizzard themselves know warr needs like 1 more cool utility ability. They just cant seem to get it right… skull banner, the group shield wall, the heroic leap grip.. hell even personal bleed removal with bitter immunity..
Blizz iterated on multiple abilities during df beta but removed each one..
toxic pewter
If spell block just worked like prot paladin holy shield and their mastery I would be happy
brazen yarrow
wait are they rella gonna put a mega dung in m+?
gloomy vortex
What would you want other than that?
Better self healing, mitigation we have is great but it’s not enough to combat items like bleed or magic damage.
brazen yarrow
with a 2 hour timer or smth?
daring marlin
with a 2 hour timer or smth?
No. They split it into two.
toxic pewter
Yes
daring marlin
Better self healing, mitigation we have is great but it’s not enough to combat i...
Gotta agree to disagree here.
ionic fern
Better self healing, mitigation we have is great but it’s not enough to combat i...
Imo our self healing is solid already. 🤷
gloomy vortex
I would take spell block being able to be taken without losing anything.. that would help a lot
toxic pewter
If spell block could just block dots like paladins mastery enables them I would be so happy
gloomy vortex
Imo our self healing is solid already. 🤷
We have one way to self heal, rest is mitigation?
ionic fern
Indom / LS / IV
toxic pewter
Yah our healing is actually so much bette than it has been historically
gloomy vortex
Ok I mean utility rather than passive
ionic fern
Eh?
toxic pewter
I don’t want to be a bdk personally lol
If anything certain other tanks need their self sustain nerfed more
brazen yarrow
we have good enough sustain no?
impending is like 40%, rally 15 and last stand also 15
toxic pewter
impending 30%, last stand 30% rally 15% temporary health yeah
proper roost
also have a fair bit of leech
toxic pewter
6 wins for Trial of Style so far... as Vulpera
dusky canopy
Our health bar not moving because we block/mitigate is totally my preference
I do not want to be a ping pong health bar tank
And press heals
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
fast python
hey im a new prot warrior are there any guides for new players i can read/watch
toxic pewter
Welcome
fast python
thanks!
vocal nimbus
Wowhead
fast python
ty
vocal nimbus
You also have almost everthing in the pins
toxic pewter
for 10.1.5.. I am not too sure of any specific videos or anything.. can look on youtube perhaps. That being said, a lot of newcomers ask questions in here
vocal nimbus
And if theres something specific you can just ask
toxic pewter
and you can use search to type things like 'rotation' you will see some good responses and stuff
fast python
thanks!
tropic gorge
Baulders gate 3 in one hour boys
toxic pewter
wat that
tropic gorge
Nom said it as well as I could have
Crpg with the new dnd ruleset. Made by larian who makes the divinity rpg series
toxic pewter
is it hard for new player to get into
jagged gust
sort of
strong forum
Divinity original sin 2 was my first interaction with dnd, the predecessor of bg3
It was fairly easy to get into, curious how bg3 will be, but I have a dnd expert as a coop friend
jagged gust
party comp and tactics come into play often, you can find yourself beating your head against a brick wall if you're not careful against certain encounters
The underdark encounter was ridiculously punishing
They really went all out in making every little skill feel important. An entire questline can be hidden behind the ability to talk to animals
strong forum
Make sure to have a charisma, perception and persuasion character aswell
jagged gust
Alternatively have a full group of chaotic evil murder hobos
tropic gorge
Alternatively have a full group of chaotic evil murder hobos
Evil is fun
sick sentinel
Make sure to have a charisma, perception and persuasion character aswell
only charisma and perception here for me
cuz fallout dont got no persausion, to my knowledge
you get speech i guess but thats a skill not a stat
sick sentinel
I MEAN, I LOVE A GOOD JOKE, I OWN THE DUKE NUKEM FRANCHISE FFS It allows us to have 16 times the detail
i dont think thats the same guy that might be randy
they are both equally greasy, is what im getting at
jagged gust
See what I like to do is talk my way out of a situation, then when they turn their back to walk away I get a free stealth backstab to start combat
tropic gorge
Lol
Today is the beginning of massive game releases for the 2nd half of the year.
Bg3 today. Ac6 next month iirc. Metal gear remake. Cities skylines 2
Gonna be a good season and ride to Christmas for gamers
I meant metal gear solid. Mb
dusky canopy
Yeah 2007 is a tall tall bar to try and reach
jagged gust
It's pretty hard to beat a decade where the new years glasses you wore had two zeros in it for your eyes
sick sentinel
legitimately
the best game
EVER
this game was so fucking based it was unreal
tropic gorge
One of the most accidentally based games is xcom2
tropic gorge
Man kortor was so good. Og bioware did actually have magic
tropic gorge
A far departure from what bioware has become
sick sentinel
also rise of the triad which recently got a 4k mod for steam
tropic gorge
I did 4 or 5 kotor 1 and 2 runs. Light, dark, a mix and different jedi